Cerebral Proliferative Angiopathy (CPA) is a rare neurological condition that causes sudden episodes of neurological impairment, described by patients as 'wobbles' - moments when parts of the body stop responding normally, similar to mini-strokes. These episodes can cause temporary loss of motor control, requiring assistance from caregivers until they pass. The condition requires ongoing research to find effective treatments and potentially a cure, with families often organizing fundraising campaigns to support medical research efforts.
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Hello, good evening and welcome back episode number 14 of Bring on the Salford. Um, it's been a lovely day today, Paul. I'm going to bring you in straight away. So, my co-host Paul Whiteside, how you doing, Paul?
>> I'm all right, mate. How's yourself, mate? You okay?
>> All right. It's been It's been all right. It's been a nice day today. This morning were a bit iffy it, but it's been all right since then.
>> Shut up. Yeah, it's not been too bad this afternoon. Yeah, I tell it's been a nice day cuz I took me coat off at work and working with T-shirt. So, yeah, it was all right. I was a walk there this afternoon. It wasn't too bad, actually.
All right. Nice.
>> Yeah, nice one. We always start with a bit of weather chat, don't we, mate?
It's all in all in that day and are keeping Britain warm and all that kind of stuff. And obviously you don't do it on days like this because people just need showers at this point they instead mate.
>> Yeah. Still do the hot water and that mate and water leaks and god knows what else. You'd be surprised the amount of people who still have their heater on though mate. Talk about waste waste money heating blaring windows open. You know there I didn't have me I didn't have my windows open but I did need my heating on this morning cuz it weren't warm enough outside to dry washing but I had to get it on the radiators and that was it. You're not supposed to do that though because that makes condensation and damp and all sorts. So, you're not supposed to do that. But we we can't tell you that, mate. You know, get your heat on. More heat is better. We're straight into it, aren't we? I mean, we've hit like the most boring topic like straight off the bat, haven't we?
Here.
>> But it's the most important as well, mate, because you don't want condensation in your house. So, people are tuning in chat, but you get the you're getting all the housekeeping tips here as well, aren't you, mate?
>> You start talking about boilers as you want, mate.
I've got all night, >> bro. Frozen condenser pipe. That's all I know, mate. And that stops your hot water going around because it can't get rid of it. Um, but yeah, that that would be with the the viewer numbers and listener numbers' be gone. Um, so yeah, let's let's bring Owen in. So, welcome to Owen Able. How you doing, Owen?
>> Yeah, not too bad, mate. Yourself?
>> Very good, mate. Really, really excited to uh to have you on tonight, mate. And like I said to you just beforehand, it's a little bit different this one, isn't it? Because you've not made an appearance for us yet. So, it's been a totally different perspective of someone coming sort of brand new into the club and getting you on pretty much as soon as we could really.
>> Yeah, I was uh happy you asked me to be.
I don't mind doing things like this. So, yeah.
>> No, no, we appreciate it. Thanks for giving up your time on a Tuesday night to uh to come and chew the fat with uh with me and Paul.
>> That's all good, honest.
>> Happy days. Right, I'm I'm going to start the show a little bit differently tonight. Now, normally we go straight into news and we will do that. Um, but I just want to start it a little bit differently tonight because over the weekend, I think it was Saturday. Um, Paul, you got a message from one of our listeners from Jade Williams, I think, didn't you?
Yeah, I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I did.
So, uh, we're going to have a bit of a chat about that tonight, aren't we?
It's, you know, it's, um, it's for a good cause and, you know, somebody somebody in need on that. So, uh, so yeah, we're to help out with that.
>> Absolutely. Thanks for that, mate. Um, and yeah, and look, I think when Paul and I started this, and you know, I didn't I don't think we quite knew where it was going to go, but one of the things that we always wanted to build was a bit of a platform for good um, and to do positive things with the platform.
So, I'm going to do something a little bit differently to open the show tonight. So, I then got in contact with Jade and spoke to her on on Saturday.
Um, and she basically I'm I'm going to tell you a bit of the story and I'm just going to give you a little bit of context as to why we're doing what we're doing at the moment. So Jade got in contact with me and gave me some more information on on what we were talking about. So essentially Jade's friend um her little boy has got a condition called cerebral proliferative angopathy or CPA and I'll only call it CPA from now on for brevity. Um and the family are doing a they're doing like a marathon challenge um to to raise funds for the research into um a cure and for you know not preventative measures but to you know for for treating the condition. Um, initially I think they set a target of £1,000 and that was to basically to um get a fellowship bery for a medical student and that was at Great Almond Street and they were kind of liazing with with different um different you know hospitals around the world. So Toronto, London and Boston now they smash that. They're already well past that. Um but when I was talking to Jade earlier on um mom who's called Laura um said that all the money that is in the GoFundMe for this is going towards looking for um doing some more research basically to try and like I say to find a cure um and to support some of the research within this so within CPA.
So I'm just going to read a little bit of of the the GoFundMe um and then I'll tell you a little bit about what we're going to do afterwards. So this was written by this was written by his mom.
So Wilbur is our son and before the condition he lived a completely normal, happy and healthy life. And this is his story in his own words. Hi, I'm Wilbur.
I'm 9 years old. I've recently been diagnosed with AVM with overlapping features of CPA. And it's all a bit strange to me, but I can tell you what it feels like. Because of CPA, I get what I call the wobbles. Most of the time I look like any other kid you'd see at the park, but a wobble is like a mini stroke that happens when I least expect it. One minute I'm playing and the next my left side just stops working. When a wobble hits, it's like my body forgets how to walk or stand. My arm and leg won't do what they're told and I can't stand on I can't stay on my feet by myself. I have to rely on my mom and dad until it passes and it makes me feel really really tired. Um I'm not going to read any more of that because it's all within the GoFundMe. But we wanted to use this platform like I said as to do something for good. Um, so we wanted to talk about this on behalf of Jade and thank you Jade for getting in touch. I know you're listening to this, so thank you for for getting in touch with us.
Um, and we're obviously going to do whatever we can to support and promote it. Um, with that being said, on this video there would usually be in the bottom left corner a QR code which would take you to like mine and Paul's buy me a coffee. Um, and a few people have done that and thank you if you've done that for this episode. That QR code will take you directly to this GoFundMe page. Um, so if you want to support the work that's going on around CPA and the research that's going on, um, and support, like I say, you know, Wilbur's a little nine-year-old boy going through this at the moment. So if you want to support, um, what basically what I've just gone through with CPA and the research around it, scan that QR code and if you were thinking of buying me or Paul a coffee, go and donate to that instead tonight, please, folks.
>> Yeah. So that's uh that's where we're at, Paul.
>> Yeah. Well, well said, B. Yeah.
you know, nobody want likes to see people poorly, but I think it come comes a bit more to home when it's children, doesn't it? You know, a nine-year-old lad. It's um yeah, it's all about that, doesn't it? So, yeah, if you can uh if you can send some some, you know, go on a gofundme for that, it's a great cause and hopefully they can get a cure and start doing some research. But, no, best best wishes to to Wilbur. I hope he's all right.
>> Yeah, we'll we'll we'll share it through our socials as well, but like I say, we'll stick a QR code on this video in the bottom left hand corner. So >> yeah, >> um that'll take you directly to that go for me where you can read a little bit more around what the family are doing and that challenge around the marathon in May um as well. So like I said, always wanting to try and use this platform for good and try and promote some of the good things that are going on out there and this is a really worthwhile cause. Um I didn't mention that Wilbur's a Wigan fan out of respect for the fact that he's not a Sulford fan, but this is rugby league family um now rather than Salford family. So it's come to us via a Sulford fan um but he is a little Wigan Wigan Warriors fans.
So yeah, rugby league family and all that kind of stuff. So if you can support it, please do so. Um, cool.
Right, let's do some news from around the club and get stuck into tonight's episode then. So on Wednesday last week, uh, the club announced that Andy Ho was appointed as a non-executive director.
Um, and there's a full post on that. Go and check out the socials for more details on that. On Thursday, the club announced five loan signings. So we announced Harry Smith from Leeds, James Duffy and Isaac Reed from Warrington and Daniel Sabber and Jensen Windley from Cass. I think all five of them, in fact, all five did definitely feature at the weekend, in there. Um, and some good performances. We'll we'll talk about that when we get into into the reviewing a bit, Paul. We'll we'll we'll we'll touch on them when we get into that a little bit later on. Friday. So, Friday was quite a big day for myself and for Paul um for quite obvious reasons hopefully up to this point. And you'll have seen the partnership announcement that the club put out around the content and being able to share that. Um it's kind of a no-brainer really. You know, as I said before, you know, Paul and I put this together. We weren't quite sure it was going, but we're kind of in the ninth week of interviewing players now, and I I don't think there's this level of in-depth player interview happening elsewhere. And that's not even at all for that. I don't know of any other podcast that's getting into this level of detail with players. Um, so it made sense that, you know, we we sort of work with a club and and, you know, bring you know, there's an opportunity there to bring this content to a wider audience via that collaboration with the club.
And you know we I put a little video out. I know Paul you put a separate one out. Um but yeah delighted with the news on that weren't we mate?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Your decision we didn't likely was it mate? You know we had to do a lot of discussion about it and that but I think it was the right decision because like you said we're not trying to like upset anybody. We're just trying to you know get get interviews out there and get like you said get to a wide there more people that can hear about s rugby league club you know the better.
You know we want to try and grow this club don't we? This club has been through so much and we've been through so much as supporters the last sort of 12 18 months with what happened last year and that we we're just sort of getting back on our feet now aren't we?
So it's all about coming together isn't it and like you said we've got an awful lot of young players now haven't ar and players that no need a bit of a platform and I think need a bit of a boost and I think it's been great chatting to them all hasn't it? It been another great show tonight and just just getting in depth with players and that and just just giving a bit back to them really.
So, I've enjoyed it and yeah, it's good.
It's good to get, you know, get get the club sharing it and hopefully it'll work out well.
>> And you're right, it wasn't a decision we took lightly. I mean, it was kind of something that was ongoing for a few weeks, weren't it? You know, trying to make sure that it was the right thing to do um for both, you know, from both perspectives really. But yeah, absolutely welcome it. And, you know, though obviously the longer the partnership continues, the longer we can continue bringing this content as well and and maybe some other stuff, you know, we talked with the club about doing some other things as well, didn't we? So, uh, yeah, you never know, there might be some more content coming your way soon as well, folks. Um, Saturday then the the club put out the the monthly CEO interview. There was a couple really interesting points um, raised on this. I think Ryan talked about um, a sort of like a head coach um, announcement being pretty imminent, you know, within the next week or two, I think, with the words that he used or the next next so many days, I think he said. Um, so yeah, there was there was there was that point. There was another point for me as well, Paul. Um, he referenced that there was seven or eight signings already made for next season, but couldn't be announced because they were still their parent wellbe clubs at the moment. They're the incumbent clubs at the moment as well. So, um, yeah, it' be really interesting to see as we get through the season if if those guys start getting announced. Were there any other key takeaways from you? Have you been through that interview?
>> No, I I haven't to be honest with you, but um did I spoke to you about it. I remember you texting me saying about the seven or eight signs. I think that's and I saw you comment on the the club's face that's the big thing that really isn't it because you know to to start doing recruitment for next season you know every team you know that's organized wants to do that don't they get get signed and so it'll be exciting to see who they are but obviously you've got to make sure those players give their all this season for the for the clubs that now and it's got to be done the right way and it's got to be announced the right way you can't start like going announcing stuff now while players are still contracted so it be exciting to see who they are but good to see that the club are looking forward and planning you know for next season the head coach think, you know, I don't know how that's going to go. Is it going to be somebody fresh? Is it going to be Dave who's going to get the job? I'm not too sure. It' be be exciting to see what happens there. So, uh, you know, like I said, I've made my sort of support for Dave clear. I think Dave deserves a shot if he wants it. So, we'll have to just hope and pray he gets it. Well, I will from my point of view, but I know you you feel pretty similar to me, don't you? But, it's an exciting it's exciting time to see what happens. It's like this. I think when you get a little bit closer as well to head coaches, you build up that relationship, don't you? I mean, I remember you telling me about previously, you know, when you were interviewing people like Paul Roelly and stuff like that. You you sort of build up that bit of natural rapport and a bit of respect that way, don't you? I guess.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I did with Watson first as well. I remember really well with W. Yeah. And it was over a number of years doing interviews with him and that and same with Paul Roelly.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I had a chat with Paul actually on Friday. He give us a bell and and it was good to speak to him again. He was just looking forward to the semi against Wigan and obviously they got beat but you you do you sort of get to get to know they are and you know speak to him off the record a bit as well and get to know their emotions and whatever. It is interesting. So so yeah I think we've done that a bit with the players this season you know this starting to get to know the players and he's he's good that. So yeah I mean I know you're the same with Dave you're a bit of a fan of his aren't you? And I like the way he goes about things. I think he's he's a good bloke. I like Mike Grady as well and obviously that that that didn't work out for Mike but you know Dave's cut from the same cloth and he's a really good guy and he's only young as well.
He's only 30 so he's got a whole career ahead of him hasn't he? So we'll have to watch this space see what happens but you know the club I'm sure he'll make the the right decision won't he and the decision that's that's best for all parties. You forget you forget that he's 30, don't you? When you're speaking to him because I did because he don't talk again. It's like when we had Toby use on and he said, "How old were he? 22 or something like that."
>> Yeah.
>> No, you you can't be cuz the the the sort of maturity that he spoke with and Dave's quite similar for most people are to be fair. Most of the lads are to be fair, aren't they?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think with Dave as well, he's got the knowledge of someone who's probably twice his age, hasn't he? You know, he he's just seems like he must have retired 10, 15 years ago and he's been coaching all that time, but when he hasn't, he's only just finished playing, but he seems to soaked up. so much knowledge from the people he's got like his network we we call it, don't we? But I think he's got some really good people that he trusts on and leans on and what have you. And that that's great great to have. It's great thing to have in your armor as a coach.
>> He's forgotten more than I'll ever know, mate. Like make no make no mistake about it. He's forgotten more than I'll ever know, mate. Well, it's funny you should say that because I can remember talking to like Ro and Watt and people like that and sometimes when you speak to them off the record before you've pressed interview or press record or afterwards or you you know you see him in the press room having a brew or something they'll tell you about stuff and you I remember I remember Rob we were at Wakefield and we started talking to about something in the corridor was waiting to go to this press conference and he was telling us about like body shapes and what position you should be in for this and that and the other and it's like a load of knowledge that we don't even think of as sports, you know, what what what they're planning on that. And I bet it's the same for players, is it? You know, body positions and how you pass and how you do this and you know what they do at training. We haven't got a clue really, have we? So, so yeah, the knowledge they've got, it's not it's not just block 13 blocks against 30 blocks, charging a ball. There's a lot more to rugby league than than what people think.
>> Yeah, 100%. 100%. And we'll get stuck into that when we start talking about the game in a minute. But the final piece of news was just a pop-up shop on Sunday. Um and that was a absolute roar and a success. We got there um about 20 to3 I think didn't we on Sunday? Uh and the queue was all the way back to the road wasn't it? Um >> it was.
>> Yeah. So yeah, another overwhelming success. Be interesting to see um if anything comes out around, you know, like the Shaw Cow thing that they had previously. Be interesting to see if anything like that starts up again soon.
Uh, and I'm only saying that by selfishly because I didn't get a chance to go to the pop-up shop because the queue was that long and I thought I was going to miss part of the game. But yeah, it seemed like an overuring success. So, uh, let's see what happens next with that. Uh, I think that is it for news this week. So, let's have a quick look around the championship and the results from the weekend. Starting with Friday night, Oldm 18, Doncaster 10. Moving into Saturday, Roshell on it six, Newcastle Thunder 54. Uh, Ghoul Vikings 80, North Wales Crusaders nil.
And then we'll move into Sunday and talk Halifax Panthers 30, JB Rams 16, Keith Cougars 22, Batley Bulldogs 26, Swinton Lions 40, White Haven 12, Workington 16, Sheffield Eagles 28, London Broncos 64, Midland Hurricanes nil, and I won't mention our result just for the time being in case anyone's been living under a rock and doesn't want to hear it yet.
um results that caught my eye. I'll be really honest with you. Olden beating Doncaster on Friday night I thought was a I thought was a huge shot. Older are in great form. I think they've won eight out of eight or something daff like that. But um Doncaster as as we both said probably look like the best side that we played this season.
>> Yeah, I was surprised olden won. Not no disrespect to olden, but I think what you got to remember them is you you told me that stat on the bounce I think and you know they've got a new coach in there. Alan Kilshaw has gone in and I think you've got to give him a lot of credit. I know he's got some good players there to work with but you know anybody can who go into a club and not get a tune out of him. So he's gone in there and he sorted it and he and nailed it. So they're doing well and they've had a bit of upheaval as well. They've been playing a bow fold at Staley Bridge and you know they've had a bit of off the field drama they with the German. I don't know what's going on there.
awkward to detail but there's been stuff going on there. So that can take your eye off the ball sometimes. So I think Alan Kilshaw has done well to get the team together, galvanize them and get the results. So they slowly crept up there and it's great to see him back at Bowser Park. You know, it's good to see him back there in the town and uh and doing well.
>> Absolutely. Um and you're right, Bill Quinn, I think, retired, didn't he last week and then Olden were back at Boundary Park in the back there this week as well. So yes, >> um but yeah, that was a that was a big shock to me. Um, I was going to say Newcastle Thunder 54 at Rodale, but again, I think we talked last week about some of the that relationship they've got with York, didn't we? And >> yeah, >> you know, it kind of goes back to that conversation as well around the um the sort of the ranking of the fixtures, doesn't it? Against who plays who. And >> yes, >> you know, if you've got sort of players coming in from who are almost Super League ready, playing teams with no disrespect who would have been league one had had it not been for a merger of the leagues realistically, wouldn't they? There or thereabouts?
>> Yeah.
>> But yeah, I mean, you know, you you're quite close to Rochester, aren't you?
You know, geographically, and I know you keep an eye on them and stuff like that, but did that shock you that 5461 for Newcastle?
>> I saw the score. They were winning 6-4.
Have they got it? That's what I saw. I thought they've been doing all right there. And so I don't know how long was gone when I saw that on before and then I saw the final score. It it didn't it didn't because you know Rodale have been a bit up and down at me so far this season. They've had some some decent wins and they're still trying to build something there aren't they? You know um they were league one last season. I know Gary Fton's been there a few years the coach and you know he seems to seem to be switched on Gary he's been around league a long time and and they might have I don't know whether they took their eye off the ball a bit last week.
Newcastle good side. They've got a 1895 cup game this week they against Gul. So, you know, they'll be all guns blazing for that on Sunday. But, no, it was a shock result. I think for just for the score line really. I think the Swindon game was I expected Swintter to do well against White. I know White have struggled, but I didn't expect to put 40 points on them. So, that's a big one for Swinton and they've got five points now as well. They're breathing down our necks, aren't they? So, that was a good result for them. And Keith Cougars I think ran Bley close and that sounded a good game as well. But the one that that's there was another one there, Workington. I think I think they were getting lamp time off Sheffield and they didn't need too bad in the end, did they? They come they come back quite well. But I still can't get my head around the fact that Workington look brilliant when they played us.
>> No, they absolutely took us apart and and and since then I I don't think they've won since then, have they?
>> No, I don't think they have.
>> So, yeah. So, I don't know where that result came from when they beat us.
>> Yeah. You know what? They were losing 28- nil.
>> Yeah, they've come back in that game.
scored three tries later. Well, midway through the second half towards the end of the second half, 53, 60, and 69. So, yeah, they were getting they were getting lamped at half time. Um Owen, I'll come to you. I mean, you know, any of them scores from the weekend?
Anything you want to touch on? Anything that you were a bit shocked by or anything like that?
>> Yeah, I thought the olden ones cuz like you said, I think them are probably one of the best teams in league or if not the best. Um, and then I sort of where you said something and like I feel like when the lads who come have signed I couldn't I could see sort of that happening to be honest.
If it was at White Haven, probably not so much cuz I think everybody that goes to White Haven struggles just because of the pitch and how they play it. But um I think what games you said then >> there was I mean >> North Wales they got did they? Yeah, North Wales got Yeah, they buy Google.
>> It's it's quite sad to see, but >> yeah, >> it's it's kind of going to happen for for a while while they're trying to rebuild it all back up, I guess.
>> So, >> it was like start of the season though, wasn't it really? Not to that extent, but it was like us at the start of the season and >> you know to take them on the chin I guess for until starts they start building again until they can get to a point where they start challenging other teams like >> Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean that Swinton one just just I I agree with you. I think some of the players that they brought in >> Yeah.
>> are going to really turn around. I think Anthony Murray will turn him around as well though. I think you know very coach isn't he? Um, so yeah, I I was shocked by that result though. I didn't I didn't see Swinton winning by 28 in that game.
I thought it'd be a bit closer than that, but um I'm just having a look and see if there's absolutely anything else.
I mean, London ran out.
Midland put a statement out saying that it was the the full-time result and it said, you know, full-time London run away with it. And I did a little I smiled a little bit and just thought, yeah, it's the difference in it between being full-time and part-time. We'll we'll talk about that in in in a couple of minutes time. Um but yeah, the other only other one, Halifax 30, Jubbury 16, that doesn't shock me. Um I think that leads us into a a bit of a tough game, doesn't it? Um next week, but we're not going to worry about that yet because we're not previewing next week's game tonight.
We'll do that next week. So, we won't worry about that tonight. Let's get stuck into though. Let's get stuck into the game from the weekend against the Witness Vikings. Um, I nearly just went uh full Midland then and said part-time v full-time in the end. But um I'm not going to do that. Um because I think that wouldn't be fair to some of the effort. So um I haven't done the table.
I'm not going to do the table because we've already segueed straight into the game. So let's just segue straight into the game. So um I'm just going to give you my view of the very opening of the game and we'll sort of take it from there. I thought for the first 10 minutes of this game, 10 minutes or so, that it was absolutely just dead level and I didn't see either team scoring within that sort of that first 10 minutes. In fact, they went over just before that 10-minute mark, didn't they, in that first try on the right hand on our right hand side on their left. Uh, but I thought it was really tight within that that first opening bit until that try hit because I just I don't think we'd threatened them and I don't think they threatened us. I just kind of think we all played within that middle sort of 60 m, didn't we?
>> Um, and then they sort of went down that that bare left hand side, didn't they?
Um, and I thought we, you know, I'll get into it a little bit later on and we can we can go through and sort of have a bit of a postmortem on it later on, but um, for me that was when the the floodgates never opened at that point for me cuz I think even going into Halime we were pretty tight. I think me and you both said when it was 8-0 we kind of can't concede again before Halime. Um and unfortunately we did cuz we went down you know 140 didn't we at the half time break but I thought that first 10 minutes like I just thought it was really frenetic. I thought it was all in the middle of the park. I thought I said this when I spoke to Cole Oakley um on after you know following following the game that like I think either him or Jack baby was in pretty much every tackle within that first 10 minutes because I don't remember a tackle being made where neither of them were involved and it even whether they were first, second or third man in the tackle. There was always one of them two guys in it and I thought we started really strong.
I don't think we look like scoring, but I don't think they did until they did.
Um, I'll come to you Paul first and then we'll go scoring afterwards. But what was your sort of take on that first half? I thought they were clinical at times witness they for for me they look like they're in second gear a lot of the time and then when they clicked into third gear they injected a bit of pace that Mike B scored two tries and that that edge and then they try that I think was got the third try the Lang tree got the third try. We've conceded loads of TR this season haven't we? You know >> where the forward just steamed on to it from 10 yards out and it's a bit poor contact in defense at sometimes in it.
So um >> so yeah that were disappointing but no I thought witness were big. They're a big team big big physical team and the physicality of them I thought showed in that first half but yeah for me we defended well at times we we stood up to them but uh we didn't really have any possession did we? I can only count sort of one one period where we got a couple of um six against I think didn't we? And then we we didn't realize we got a six again. I think we kicked early in the tackle count towards the back end of the the first half. So yeah, it was a difficult one to gauge really. You know, Windows chucked a lot of us. We sort of so quite a lot of it up, but they're sort of physical the offload game as well that we found out to deal with really, didn't we? Mistakes again. I think there's a few mistakes we failed to make touch and stuff like that. And they're the bits and bobs we need to tie up really before we start competing. But >> yeah, we got to be making touch, haven't we? I think that's it's the second one.
I think I've seen I think you've seen the third one, aren't you? I wasn't at one of the time this season. Yeah, it's just just little things in it, you know, just just things you got to iron out.
>> No, it absolutely is, mate. I mean, look, they started with some really big forwards as well, didn't they? You touched on the size of some of their players then, but you know, like Murray, Chapelau, they're not small players, are they? And they're interchanges that came on to replace them in in Fosard and Brown aren't small aren't small forwards, are they? They, you know, big full-time forwards. Um but yeah, like I say, I think for me, you know, and it was it was a little less prevalent in the second half because we had to have a bit of a reshuffle, but I think that right edge was where we got caught out a couple of times in that first half, wasn't it? Um certainly felt for the first and second try and then like you said, the third one was was kind of up the guts a little bit, wasn't it?
>> Um but it changed that. So when cuz I actually thought that like I thought Jensen Wley had a really good game when he was playing but then when he suffered that injury and had to go off and I think we moved Duffy to fullback then didn't we? And we moved Gammo into into center then didn't we? Um I thought that gave us a lot more stability because I feel like you know I think with the injuries we've got Dave's hands been a little bit forced and having two loan players on that wing and I don't think having do you know what I mean? I don't think I'm not sure having two, you know, fresh lads on that same side was something that we would have liked to have done going into the game. I think when we moved it around a bit and moved Gamma into center, I think it provided a bit more stability on that right hand side, Paul. Yeah, we spine got affected as well because you had a new fullback and you had a new guy in the AR as well with Toby Hughes. I mean, I feel sorry for Toby sometimes because he seems to get somebody different there with him every week and it it's difficult, you know, it's difficult doing that like I said with two guys on on the on the right edge right at the winger and center. They've never played with each other before. So, it was difficult. But I heard a lot of people on moing on socials about bringing load players in, but when you actually speak to Dave after the game, the injury list we've got at the moment, long-term and short term, it's massive, is it? Yeah. you know, we had Callum Green who come in playing against Sheffield, he got injured, you know, and he looked really good at fullback. So, it's it's difficult sometimes for a for a coach when he's he's got no personnel there.
You've got to bring the load players otherwise you've got no squad. So, and when they're not training and they've not met each other and like you said, I thought Whitley did really well at fullback until he got that bang on the end and his his head was a right mess won it. And I think Dave said to us after the game, he might have he said he done his um his cheekbone in or something like that, didn't he? It looked right. Mess his face.
>> Yeah, it didn't look good, did it? We saw him after the game, didn't we? And it Yeah, he had a right egg, didn't he?
Like just there. And it was But it was to the point it like >> first the skin on it like the impact as well. So it was a proper proper proper shiner that he had after that game. Um Owen, I'll come to you just on that first half and you you were there for the game. What was what was your take on >> where you know some of the things that we did well in that first half and some of the things that we uh where we got exposed a little bit. But as you said, I feel like for the first 10, we we was completely we was just in an arm battle with him and no nobody looked like scoring, but I think it just shown a little bit that they they was just faded on us really. And obviously the side like they they're a big side literally all over the park. It's not just in the middle, the the senses, the wingers, they're just a big set. and yeah, they're they're a classy side, but I think if we would have had the same fitness levels as them as I don't know, I I probably wouldn't have seen the game anybody scoring after the first 10 minutes, that's what it looked like. Um but then we just struggled towards the end like completing sets and um like get just getting to a kick at the end of set and then if you're turning the ball over in a bad position against a team like witness they're just they're going to make you pay for it really. I said this to you didn't Paul this happened in the second half as well. We were last tackle sorry let let's do it the other way around. They last tackle was on our 2530 weren't it?
Our last tackle was on our own 40. So we were booting it in our own half a lot of that game, weren't we? Especially in that, you know, in that sort of that middle half of the game, if you will.
Um, you know, I feel, you know, we we were just kicking out of nowhere, weren't we? Um, and it's kind of one of them. I had a quick chat actually with with Jack Bby after the game. Um, and I just said it was one of them where it's like you sort of your back's against the try line because it felt like that. It felt like every time we made any decent yardage out, they'd have a better set coming towards us, forcing us further back, and it just kind of edged us back towards our own trial line. A few things. You said something interesting. Then I went about um some of the lads, you know, the big all over the park. Joe Edge, right?
Because I know it's cuz he he went through for the try, didn't he, with the with the pass from from Toby, didn't he?
Where he tried looping it over the top.
>> He's a monster. He's like big enough to be a forward like playing like but as a prop he's absolutely ginormous but he's fast as well.
>> Um >> yeah absolutely absolutely ginormous fella. Um so right let's let's just go into that second half then. So that first half like we said nice arm wrestle for that first 10 went in a little bit.
We should have gone in 8 really you know I think I think really we should have you know try well we did try obviously I'm not saying we didn't try but but I think we needed to go in 8. I think anything more than that would have been, you know, difficult to overcome in the second half and as it proved as well.
Um, so tries then in the second half from Edge as I've just uh from Joe Edge as I've just mentioned then. Um, one of which was that pass as we said from Toby that went out to, you know, out to the wing and he he sort of run burst onto it, didn't he? And made sort of 40 yards to get over the tri line. He went over twice and a try from Brown in the 60th minute. Um it was kind of one of them where sometimes we say if you can describe one try you can describe them all but it wasn't quite the case in this game. It was through the sensor. Um I can't remember was it was it the try from Brown where the South Stand didn't think he was down. Do you know the one where they were they were really really unhappy weren't they about >> I think I think it was that one on the just on the right side of the post.
>> Yeah. It was just Yeah. Yeah. Going madly. They thought he'd been held up, didn't they? But it's uh I mean it's it's difficult to tell where we were.
Their their reactions would suggest he was held up, but I don't want to I don't want to purely go off that because there's a good chance he actually did get it down. Um but yeah, I feel like then we were, you know, it we were up against it in that second half, weren't we? Um but but we got a bit of reward cuz I think the one thing that we needed as Salford fans in that second half was something to something to cheer, wasn't it? And it, you know, not notwithstanding stuff like um big tackles, keeping him out and all that kind of thing. But I think we got a bit of a reward when Joe Baldwin went over towards the end of the game. Um which was again for for a pretty decent try, wasn't it? I think it was was it a kick through and he sort of burst onto it a little bit unchallenged I think if I remember rightly >> kicked in Dwight >> yeah um yeah cuz it was some we got confused didn't we at first because we thought it was someone else who scored we thought it was >> Costello >> possibly had Costello gone off but has Sean gone off >> no it was it was Kazzy because I was spoken to him after the game and he was both running towards the ball And cozy went cozy actually said to him running towards it. Guanjo you come out.
We we needed that try. We needed I think in that game like and I agree wholely with you Paul. I feel like that first half witness were in second gear. I feel like they maybe got into third gear. And I think you go on their social media and have a listen to sorry have a read of like what some of the fans were saying and stuff like that. And there was one that I remember that said something like the result was never in doubt, but we should have scored a lot more tries. And when you I think when you look at it in terms of like the the the differences in in quality more than anything else, not effort, we never, you know, we'd never show low effort, but they probably could have had another couple of tries on the day, you know, with a bit more effort from their side, I guess.
>> I I saw one from a winter support and it was it was a hard one to read, but I think he put if we want to be contenders, we we should be putting 50 or 60 on them. And I thought you're probably right.
>> Probably got it's a fair point in it. I think that >> you're probably right. But it was an hard one to take really know someone saying that about you. But but no, I didn't think I think they had had a bit more to go through. I think they could have done. But yeah, they might have had one eye on next week. They've got a cup game next week, haven't they? So it's one of them. I think sometimes when you I've noticed it a bit this season when teams have played us and we run a big score. You know, I'm not saying teams put the queue on the rat, but I think once you've got a game in the bag, you've got a game in the bag, haven't you? So um so I don't know it was it was one of them but no I think they could have probably run some more tries on us but you got got credit us I think I think we defended pretty well at times didn't we got we had a bit more steel there you know I think that's one thing we have got at the moment you we're fighting for your lives out we're trying to keep teams out but uh but no witness were were far too strong for us >> I think did you use the term clinical before if you didn't you can you can have that one if you yeah yeah because it it was clinical wasn't it I think For me, I think when they got to 14, I think at our time, if it were eight at half time, they'd have come out and not put that queue in the rack, if you will. But I think they did probably a little bit.
I think when they got to 14, they probably thought, "We've probably done enough here." Um, cuz I don't It was It was one of them games, weren't it, where it was hard to see where we were going to score from me. I I looked and I thought, I'm not quite sure where there's going to be a try coming from in this one, just because they look so good defensively more than anything else.
Well, I think there was probably 50/50 really. They were good at defense, but if I'm if I'm really being honest, I didn't think we troubled them really at all. We didn't look much with the ball.
Then again, like I said before, spines changed Smith back with with with Toby Toby Hugh. So, I didn't think they clicked really. I thought I thought individually, yeah, they both did okay, but there wasn't a lot of structure to our play really. And we didn't we didn't have a lot of ball.
I mean in the second half I can't remember us I can't remember us getting there 20 with the ball really apart from when we scored and same in the first half we had a couple of six against didn't we then on that on that set there and we we chose to kick didn't we in the tackle count but there wasn't a lot of opportunity for us and I think you know you're just snatching at chances there really but you've got five lads coming on alone who've not played before >> you're struggling aren't you are struggling you know you know if you look at that side there you've got a settled spine there and and you're playing witness and you know one or two more signings in there maybe next season like you were saying about the seven or eight coming might be a chance seems like witness said no with a full preseason behind you as well there's a lot of litigation in our in our season this season there really is what they're building for isn't it I mean look we kind of >> you know you've used the term I've used the term we don't see it as a free it and it's an opportunity to build is it um it's an opportunity to start building proper for next year and we're seeing that with the >> with what we've done transfer-wise this year in terms of what we brought in. Um, >> yeah, >> you know, and we always said getting that initial 17 out for the Olden game was the biggest challenge and actually from there then it's finding the the cluster of those players who are at that top end and building around them, isn't it?
>> Yeah. And if you look at the start of the season when we played like Hammersmith and games like that, I mean, I don't want to count us, but there's quite a lot of players who moved on from those early games, isn't there? and who are no longer with us for for one reason or another and you know the reasons might be very different but there's there's probably you know me being honest there's probably the reason they they weren't quite good enough or they weren't up to that level and the club have moved them on that's harsh reality rugby league in it Matt you know we we can't carry people can we want to try and improve the team all the time and and bring players in and we've got to win on tonight with us who hopefully is going to improve the team I'm sure he will do and that's how you got to go that's what sport's like it's ruthless isn't it so uh There'll be players there now that perhaps might not be there next season because you know somebody else might come in but that that's what sport's all about.
>> Just going to take a couple of minutes just to shout out a couple of players who well just I'm I'm just going to pick a couple of key performances for me from from that weekend. I think in that second half I think um I think because Joe Arley come to our side on that second half. I think there was some good stuff from him in terms of the going forward. There was a couple of things I feel towards the end of the game we were trying to force it a little bit weren't we? There was a couple errors towards the end of the game, but I think I think Joe, >> you know, was pretty solid throughout. I think GMO changed us when he moved into center. Um, and I think again, we talked about injuries and being forced to play in positions and all that kind of stuff.
Um, but hopefully as well, you know, Alifax in two weeks time get rested back, we've got more options in that second role and then we've got more options at center as well. Then, um, we mentioned Jack Bby earlier on. I think BBY only played 25 minutes if I'm right. It was something around that. I think he only played 25 minutes, >> but those 25 minutes were absolutely hell for leather. Like literally like, >> you know, when I spoke to was it did I speak to later on? Um I can't remember who it was now, but we basically said, oh, it was Jack. I spoke to him. I spoke to him afterwards and I said, you know, was that tactical or was it because you'd absolutely just flogged yourself in that first 15 minutes? cuz he went off at interchange 15 minutes and then he didn't come back on till 10 minutes from the end and it was literally just all that effort he' done in the first half and I thought he I thought that 10 minutes that opening 10 minutes like I said I thought he was involved in everything. I'm just going to take a moment though cuz we both went for the same man of the match didn't we um from this game. So we both chose Cole Oakley meaning that he gets uh three points in the Man of Solford standings which takes him right off the table because Joe's still on five. Um, so everyone's really in contention. Um, I don't think we're seeing Noah Hodkinson again this season, but I am going to leave him on there to prove that he got a point in the man of Sulford award because that might be the biggest achievement he gets this season.
So >> I tell you what, he played well for Wigard on the weekend playing against St. Ellens and >> he did our immigrant said to me said that Lab was at w said yeah I said look at him now the opportunity he's got a wig and you know people moan about loans don't they? and we've had a bit of a win jumping, but if if that's one good thing that it does gives gives kids like the opportunity, you know, to to get into to Wigan side because he's impressed at Sulford and he's done well, I mean, then he's done him the world good at it.
>> Well, we say that and like I said to you at the weekend, >> Jensenley came and played for us against Doncaster. He started for Castleford a couple of weeks ago. He started fullback for Cass.
>> I I can't remember. I think it was the OKR game, but don't quote me on that because I feel like that's not right.
But I'm I feel like it was the game that Brad went to um to cast, which was the KR game. But yeah, it might not have been. Don't come at me in the comments.
But I just I did just want to take a minute just to talk about Cole Oakley's performance or at least I wanted to just hand over to you for a minute to talk about Cole Oakley's performance because I thought he was outstanding on the day.
Um and I did think that he was involved in everything. Um and I thought he was really solid in the tackle. I thought he provided us a lot of firepower with a goal forward and I think he was for me like it was an easy call to make I think on Sunday in terms of his um accolade of our player of the match.
>> Yeah, he played well at Sheffield. He impressed in that game last week. He looks he looks comfortable in the back row. He really does. He works hard and all that's one thing I've noticed with him. He does a lot of tackling. Like you said, he was in loads of tackles. He's a really busy bloke. He's not somebody who hangs about on the on the wing and don't get involved. He really does. He looks a really really useful player and I think you need people like that, people who are going to graft and you just mentioned Jack Bby there, the work he's doing. So slowly but surely we're adding these pieces to the jigsaw, aren't we?
And um and and that's good to see. So I think Cole's one of them. He look a talented player and looks like a player that could take us to the next level in this championship. You know, like you said before, we we got a group of players against Olden, which is all well and good to start the season. But now, I think in particular next season, we want a group of players now that can take us start moving us up this championship. If you don't want to be at the bottom next season, then we want to be back up there. I think I think Cole's one of them. I think he's he's a quality player, but he's a young quality player as well. He's a player that's willing to learn, but um you know, he's got all the attributes there to be a really good forward.
>> I'm doing Jack Bibby a disservice. He played half an hour. He played up to 18 minutes and then he come on in the 68th minute. So, well, unless my maths is wrong, 18 and 12 is 30. So, yeah, he played more than 25 minutes. So, yeah, let's not do him a disservice because it it was a phenomenal 30 minutes that he played over the weekend.
>> Um Owen, I'll come to you if there's anything you want to add from that game of the weekend, mate. Anything you saw that you want to talk about on here? I just feel like as you said, baby just he's forever until he until he can't go anymore. And then I thought the same to be honest. I was speaking to Matty Ross stands and I said probably Cole was probably our best player on the weekend.
He went well even in attack andy um he was bumping off a lot in attack made a lot of yards and then in defense he was involved with a lot.
>> So yeah, he was he was massively in, wasn't he? He was massively in.
>> Yeah.
At one sec, my little girl's just walking up. She's here. Says hi.
It >> Oh, we love it. Absolutely love it, mate.
>> You saying hello?
>> Gone. Shai.
>> Yeah, >> my little girl does that as well. She won't talk on She won't talk on video.
She's like weird. She gets weirded out by it. Um, but yeah, cool. We'll we'll leave that there then. Um I think we've probably talked about all the main talking points from that game. I don't think there was anything else to talk about. Talked about Jensen will injury >> speedy recovery to him. I hope we see him back.
>> Yeah.
>> Pretty soon um in a soliture I think he was on a week by week. So hopefully we'll we'll see him back again. But yeah, let's just let's just see where we get to with that. I mean you've been joined at the right time really Owen because it's time to do the uh the bit of the under the spotlight with you now.
So, >> should we go for that?
>> Yeah, we can do mate. Yeah.
>> Right. Let's try and settle you in a bit. Say settle you everywhere. Don't I'm gonna stop saying that at some point. There's someone bingo card somewhere, haven't they? Someone's got that bingo card going.
>> Um, >> cool. So, yeah. Are we enable under the spotlight? Happy days. There's one for your bingo card. Cool. Let's get kicked off with uh what's your favorite holiday destination?
>> Depends.
what what I'm after. If it's somewhere chilled, I I enjoy Turkey.
>> Yeah.
>> In my mer, >> but then if I'm going with a lads, probably Benadora.
Really?
>> Just Yeah. Just depends what I'm after.
>> What's your favorite food, mate?
>> Favorite food?
How long we got?
Um you this bit, mate. It's just you take what you need.
>> Honestly, I eat everything, but probably my favorite dish, I'd say, is probably a Sunday roast.
Love a Sunday dinner.
>> Solid that, mate. Solid.
>> But yeah, I can't I couldn't really just pick one food out. I I enjoy a lot of it. So, >> happy days, mate. Um, say happy days. That one's for Walshie because I know he's listening and he messaged me the other day saying happy days. So there you go, Walsh. Um, this one, this one comes in from Andy Whiteside. I'm going to do that every week as well, by the way, Paul. I'm going to, every time I do this one, I'm going to say this one comes in from Andy Whites Side. What's your favorite biscuit?
>> There's like um there a fox where it's like a double biscuit with cream in middle. I don't actually know what they are, but >> the foxes ones like the what what color is the actual biscuit?
Uh just stand the sound of biscuit. Yeah.
Yeah. Pound it. Yeah. Like white middle.
>> Yeah. It's like a cream crunch.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of them ones.
That's probably my favorite.
>> The cream crunch.
>> Something like that. Is it What's your daughter's favorite biscuit?
>> There's loads of digestive.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Good dunker.
I think what my little girl Biscuit Wise is into at the moment. I can't uh She just eats everything else at the moment.
She seems to have gone off biscuits for a little bit. Um >> let's do your favorite film then, mate.
>> You Sorry, mate. Sorry, mate. Let's do your favorite film. What's your favorite film?
>> Favorite film?
One minute. Um is probably >> Home Alone, you know.
>> Home Alone. The first one.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I like Home Alone.
>> You're interrupting this podcast. You've never had this before.
>> Kids, it's working with kids and kids and animals, isn't it, mate? It's like when >> when Joartley got his dog on.
>> Yeah. Everyone's welcome on here. Abs, absolutely, mate. Absolutely. It's character. It's character. It's personality, ain't it? What more could you want? Like actual personality, and this is the behind the player stuff that we wanted to do anyway. So, um, what about TV? What's your favorite TV program?
>> 1% club.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Love it.
>> You play along on the app. Do you play the app as well?
>> No, not really, mate.
>> Yeah, probably won the 1% club. I think it's just cuz I'm good at it. Really?
>> Yeah.
>> There you go.
>> I like the 1% mate and I'm a big fan. I like I play along on the app though, mate. Play on the app when I can.
>> Yeah. No, I've I've never actually done it on the app.
>> Good on the app. It's pretty good, mate.
>> Let's talk music then. What's your favorite music?
>> I'm mixed, you know. I listen to a bit of everything. I like country. I like house music.
Been listening to Olivia Dean lately.
Feel like all lads don't like to say they like it, but >> they do. I guarantee you it won't admit.
>> 25.
>> 25. Yeah, it's so acceptable to listen to that. I think >> I don't think I could get away with it.
Paul, you definitely come, mate. Um, >> you've got it on your playlist, both.
Yeah.
>> Full blast in the car, mate. Um well well I saw your your Instagram post before. Well let's before we talk about your worst exercise in the gym. What's your favorite exercise in the gym?
>> You got to be arms on it.
>> Arms.
>> It don't look like it but yeah I enjoy doing them when I go.
>> Bicep or tricep?
>> Biceps.
>> Everyone. Fourth player. Fourth player who said bicep.
>> Got two episodes ago I did a bit of a bit of a thing on the anatomy of the human arm.
So, I'm not going to I'm not going to get people turned off at this point. So, go and go back two episodes debut it and you can learn all about the anatomy of the tricep from me. Um, what was the post that you put on Instagram before?
What what weren't you looking forward to >> doing legs? Oh, is it right? Were you fully into legs? Yeah.
>> Yeah, we normally do it with X on a Wednesday and I just thought get it out the way today. It's done early in week why why we've got no game this week. So, yeah. thousand.
>> Brilliant, mate. Brilliant. Um, let's do the right. This is the last one of these. So, if you can You're having a dinner party. You got to invite three other people. Dead or alive. Who you inviting?
>> Oh, probably Nathan Clever.
>> Okay. It become Never been asked that. You know, >> a lot of people haven't. It's And it gets it gets everyone when they when they come on air as well.
>> Um, don't have to be rugby. It can be whatever you want.
>> Yeah. No, I think Steph Curry, you know.
Um, else they have I reckon Tiger Wood was as well.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Feel like they all have a quite interesting you've gone for like three elite athletes there like top sports sport.
>> I feel like I feel Curry would be probably like number one when I think about it just because I know he had like a tough time in basketball and then with injuries and stuff. So, probably be good to hear from him. And he's well, he's not small, but he's small compared to everybody else.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Where was he ranking the greatest of all time, do you think?
>> I don't know.
>> LeBron's got to be up there, hasn't he?
>> Yeah, he's got to be, hasn't he? Like, cuz that's all everybody seems to go on about. But I don't know. I don't really watch actually that much, but I've just I've just watched a couple of things about him and stuff and with him on like podcasts and stuff and just think it'd be interesting to hear what he's got to say really.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Cool, mate. Right. That's great. Thank you for going through that with us. We love that bit. It's the best bit in it, Paul, like you say.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Too the bis the biscuit bit.
>> The biscuit. Yeah.
>> Might start might in theme with like Costa because we've not mentioned that yet. So, that can go on the bingo card if you've got your dabber ready. Um, we should probably do what's your what's your favorite sort of coffee based drink? You know, like are you a latte?
Are you having one of Jack Bibby's coconut flat white?
>> No, I don't. I'll be honest. I don't drink tea coffee.
>> Do you not? Well, I was going to say tea coffee. So, good. I'm glad you glad you said that one. We could that one off, mate.
>> Yeah.
>> Happy days. Let's get into your playing background then, mate. So, um, I want you to take me back to your earliest memory of rugby league, playing or watching.
>> I think mom was playing. I think I used obviously it was at it was at Filton. I think I must have been about five or six and I was training with two years above because they didn't have an age group my age. So then I ended up playing a few games for them and it got to a point where the RFL said like I wasn't allowed to do it two years above.
So then I had to I had to go look for a club basically. So then I went to Clock Face.
I think I was only there for a year.
Was I? Yeah, I think it was a year maybe two match and then they started an under eight um at Pils and then I was I was there ever since that really.
Um so I was there ever since that but um then obviously I just literally went all the way through Pilts till I was nine um 18 I think it was and then I and then that's when I signed at Saints but I signed from Saints basically cuz I went on an England Lions tour to Jamaica.
Um I thought went on Boom Lords to Jamaica.
Uh and then that's when I got back and I had a phone call off um I can't think of his name since not what's his name from Sense. He does like the academy.
>> No can't think of his name. D in trainer >> right >> it's so then he's he's rang me and then yeah I went I went to s from there then and then I was there till I was 21 I think yeah 21 and then co it so then they had to let the lads go who was at the reserves basically and yeah and then I left there went back to the pilts played another year open age um and then I signed a I signed at North Wales.
>> Let's just let's just pause that just a minute there then. So I just want to get stuck into a couple little different bits within that then mate. So so you talked then about your you know you start you had that time at Clockface and then you were at Pil pretty much all the way through to getting signed at academy level didn't you? So or a scholarship level. So you know that time at Pilts like the bit where you know the bit before you signed for Saints like were you pretty established as like a fullback? You played fullback sort of all the way through that that you know your amateur career or No, I was always an I think I turned well I made me like debut such for the open age team just on the wing which I've never played in my life but I played there and then I ended they turned me to a fullback when I was I think 18 and then that's that's where I've played ever since really. I've been I've been put back in half back a few games, but um the majority of the time I've just been at fullback since I've ever played there. I kind of like it as well cuz >> yeah, >> hopefully you get to see soon, but I just kind of play off the cuff.
>> I kind of I kind of just play off the cuff and I I like to just be wherever I want really. I like I like the freedom to go where I want on the pitch instead of being >> stood to one side.
>> Oh yeah.
>> So yeah.
>> No. Cool. So that takes you then right.
So we pills. How did you get picked up by Saints? What did that look like?
>> That it was literally it was a it was a bit strange how it worked actually. I just when I when I got back from the tour I I think I'd gone out for a drink to meet the lads who we went on the tour with. They had a meet up about two weeks later. Um, and I just had a phone call and I was like, random number. I thought I don't really answer them normally.
Someone was like, just answer it. And I was so I did and it it was I think it was Ian to at the time.
And he said, uh, half box basically just I don't know if he'd been released or he left, something along them lines. Um, so then I he was like, "Do you want to give it a go?" Psyched bit his hand off straight away. He was like, "It' just be a trial." Um, you might not play obviously just just come and see. And then I think after I had two training sessions and then I played on the weekend.
>> So it was it was quite quick how it happened. I think that was on a Saturday. I trained on the Tuesday, trained on the Thursday and then played on the Saturday in hull and then and then since that I think from that we played Bradford and then we play we played leads in the semi-final um and we beat them.
>> We beat them like so I ended and then that's when they offered me to sign me after the trial. So yeah, within a few games, I think three games, I I ended up in the grand finals somehow week two weeks before I was I was just in Jamaica playing with like amateur open age blocks. It was a bit it was quite mad how it happened. But >> yeah.
So how long did you say you were then at Saints for? So at what time period? You said it was up to COVID, wasn't it? Did you say >> it might it might have been just two years? I think if I'm right I think cuz from under the 19s I was at the top age of under 19s >> right >> so then yeah if I'm right then I just and then I just signed for the reserves then but I think we only played an a handful of games and then go with it.
Um, so then it was well as you would have known everyone was a bit stuck in the mud not like I didn't really know what was happening or what was going on like with myself. Um, >> and then when they when it come back to like where you was allowed to train again. I ended up training my first team for a few weeks and then the second bit of hit.
>> Yeah. And then after that, I think I just had a phone call to say like we can't they can't really afford to keep I think it was only five of us at reserves and then like the 19 filled in on the first team.
>> So that's what was made up of our squad.
So I think there was only like five or six was from right and then they just said they couldn't afford to keep us on apart from >> I think Ben Davis managed to sign first team and he went well. So yeah. Cool. Paul, anything you want to chip in with there? We've kind of done a bit of amateur stuff there, haven't we? And we've done academy careers. Anything you want to ask at that point?
>> Wow.
>> Who was your club growing up or you're a St. Helen's lad, aren't you? You're a Saints fan when you were growing up.
>> Yeah. What do you mean there was support? Sorry.
>> Yeah. Your kid growing up like you're a Saint supporter.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was a saint support.
Actually, I've missed a vital bit out of this. That's it. I played um I played a game for Salford at what might have been about 16 I think.
Maybe a bit younger. I can't really remember. We played like a Cumbria team.
Um I think it was Yeah, sure. It was a Cumbria team. It was it was miles away and I think it was with Do you know Danny Barton who does the >> Yeah, it he he was coach of us and we played like Sulford College and he he rang me. Oh, I think he might have rang me or some sort and asked me if I wanted give it a go. So yeah, I did actually play a game from before uh but yeah, I missed it out. because it's why we have staff that you know you got to ask them probing questions aren't you Paul so you get the detail out that way you go full circle now mate you're back you're back with us now back >> when when when obviously I I explained to him on that like it was a chance that I could come to Sophie she was like she was like you best go she was one she was like it's not even in question you're going sort of thing so you know we're still getting ahead of ourselves here. We've only just we've just left St. Ellens. It's cold. Haven't quite got there yet.
So, let's um So, let's fast forward then. So, we've come out of co um 2023 you got picked up by crew. Were you back at the uh were you back at Pil between that?
>> Yeah, I think 22 I think they done like just a local league, >> right? So we play we was in the one with like ins uh dudes >> I don't know there was I think there was only about six teams in it like plot face things like that it was just the teams around your area >> and then after that after the end of that season yeah that's when I got picked up for crew.
So, how did that come about then? How did Crusaders come to you and pick you up?
>> Another strange one. I was actually I got I got picked up by Rodale first and I went for like a meet and greet thing with Rodale and I'd done doing all sizes for K and I was on my way home with Luke Farber and I was in Car I had a message of Carl Foster saying um you give us a ring. I just want to chat.
So I was like, "Yeah." And I rang him and he was like, "We want you to sign here." And it at the time it was just it was a bit more suitable for me. Just it was more local training.
>> Um, >> yeah, it was more local training and just better times. It just worked better with my daughter and stuff. So >> it was and I knew I knew all the lads that had signed there. So it was a bit easier for me. And I had to ring Rodale and be like, "Look, um, I'm not actually going to sign like I don't mean to mess you about, but it's just something else has come up which is more suitable for me sort of thing." So yeah.
>> What was the uh distance like?
Whereabouts did they train back then?
Was it still the Colin Bay?
>> No, we we we never actually trained once in Wales.
>> I feel like people people always assume that, but now we don't. We we trained in Saints Helens for a while um at Ruskin Drive.
Then we trained in Lee um and then we ended we ended up finishing at uh Woolston in Warrington.
>> That's blown my mind that I never knew that you weren't training out >> because I feel I feel like the majority of the lads are either from Wigan Stand or Warrington.
There was only there was only >> Rob Mass who was who was from Wales >> right about the training in >> I do because like like always said that lot of St. Ella's base players were it and I think it's Carl for some of St. lad.
>> Yeah. So he he wouldn't have wanted to travel. So I think he just picked up at a local >> what's car like to work at B play with cuz from what I've heard he's got a really good reputation as as a good young coach hasn't he? He did some good things at company. Was it white even?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. He to play with and play for good.
He's good. He's just cuz he's just a good blog like on and off the field. Um he help he's helped me out a lot and obviously give me give me opportunities to play rugby in league one really cuz I think maybe if I'd have gone I don't think I'd have had as much time as what he g me um but yeah and he was unbelievable player cuz he was a player coach for us and majority of the stuff that yeah what come through us it was literally from him in the middle cuz he's he's he's obviously been around and he he understands what's got to be done and he's a good player. So, yeah, it was good.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. It's good that just just and I realize I always say let's do this chronologically, but I'm just going to dive back a little bit before we start getting into your into your time at Crusaders and then um you moved to Salford. Like obviously you you know established fullback played games for North Wales.
Are there any players that sort of in inspired you as fullbacks? players you've watched and thought criy they're a very very good fullback and you've taken a bit of learnings from some of their style.
Uh yeah recently I think Reese Walsh absolute freak.
Um, but I love like I love Billy Slater even though he's quite well bit before me anyway when he was in his prime but you watch a lot of his stuff on YouTube.
Um, and then like Super League I I prefer just my opinion but I prefer Beon French as a fullback over field. So when he was fullback as well just people like that.
>> Well, here's a question for you because you're a Saints fan, right? um if people are turning off now. No, they're not.
They're generally, >> you know, fully fit. Who do you think solves the problem of fullback at Saints? Is it is it Tristan Sailor or um or is it Jack Wellsby?
>> Um honestly, I don't know. I played with I played with Jacket Saints and he's unbelievable, >> but I I don't know. I I think I I believe that Saints was a bit d to sign cuz he's he's not an halfback realistically. I >> he Yeah, he's a fullback, but then you've already got Jack who's been killing it for you. So why bring someone in like that? And just makes it difficult because then Jack's Jack's better at fullback than what he has asked. And then what what do you do?
Because they're both the same. They're both better at fullback than what the other half. Where do you play them both?
I mean, Sailor ended up on the win last year, didn't he? For s a couple of games, didn't he? They were struggling that much to sort of squeeze him in, weren't they? They ended up playing him on the wing, didn't they?
>> I think I think fully fit though. I probably I'd probably say, Jack really.
>> Yeah.
>> Cool. We'll go with that. Let's Let's get back into you though because I just wanted to pick your brains on that just because it's obviously an interesting conversation at the moment because Sailor was keeping Well, the team and then obviously the game at the weekend, which obviously didn't go to plan as a St. Allen fan, but we won't talk about that tonight.
>> Don't want to upset you on this fine show the evening. Um, so let's get back into your Crusaders career. So, you played 2023 um at Crusaders. Uh, you in 2024 you picked up an ACL, didn't you? Is that right? Is that them timing right?
>> Yeah, I think it was 24. Yeah, if I'm right. Yeah.
>> That put you out for a fair a fair amount of time, didn't it?
>> Yeah. I had a nightmare to be honest with it because I done it against Hunslet and I would it was probably one of the best games I've had for crew up until that point. Yeah, I was I was doing really round just I just stepped off my right leg and in my head I thought someone had come through the back of me but obviously I didn't really know at the time. Um just felt like me knee had gone far forward someone's hit me from behind and then I looked and no one was there. I was like, "Oh yeah, this ain't good." Um, I man I managed to actually get up, walk off the pitch and I just got it strapped and I was running up and down like probably for five minutes and I said to me coach I was like look I'll go back on I don't mind and then the physio made me step and then as soon as I stepped it just give way then. Then that's when we kind of nic and then they had to wait about 8 n months for me operation to be done through the NHS.
Um cuz at the time crew didn't really have the money to pay it cuz it it's quite expensive. I think it was about six seven grand for the operation. So um I wasn't obviously lucky enough to get that. So then I had to wait and then they say it's 9 months to a year to recover from it and then >> yeah that's obviously brought me to today we're now starting to get back.
>> Let's do some of this behind the athlete type stuff then now because this and I don't want to spend too long here but like I'm going to ask you the question.
So from like a mental resilience point, right? So, how how have you approached that sort of rehab to getting it fully fit to getting yourself fully fit? Um, and sort of that come back cuz it's been a while, hasn't it? So, like what's that road look like through, you know, the road to recovery? What's that look like for you?
>> On probably one of the hardest things I've I've ever had to do like it me it was more mentally for me. I think not being able to do anything was the worst thing. Like just being sat around for months, just doing little dafted exercises sat on the floor with me knee.
Um it's just more mentally challenging than anything, but I've just obviously stuck at it and now I'm back to a point where obviously I'm I'm I'm near enough ready to play. Um, but yeah, as I said, it was just it was just more going to the gym as soon as I could to cuz once you have it done, your quad, you you physically can't you can't tense it.
>> Okay.
>> No, no, it's nearly enough possible. So, I think when it got to about 3, four months, my leg looked like it was somebody else's, >> right?
>> It was quite mad. Like I had no muscle in it whatsoever.
So it was just a case of rebuilding but that back up by doing a lot of single leg things.
>> Yeah.
>> The single leg exercises to obviously build it back up which >> probably is for it to look back to how it how me left leg is. It probably took about 10 months for it to actually get back to normal. Level again. Yeah. Yeah.
So it was quite it was quite mad but yeah it was more mentally challenging for me than anything.
But yeah, it was tough.
>> Well, you were through mate. I think you're over the worst of in our lives.
So, so let's so let's fast forward then.
So, we've done, you know, we've had your time sort of at North Wales. What did the move to Sulford look like for you then? It's a it's very different for you know we have we have this conversation when we're talking about people coming into the club and obviously you know this season players are getting picked up when they've been playing and stuff like that but obviously you've been picked up while you you're not being fully fit you know what did that conversation look like with you and how did it all come about um she's joining us back now >> okay hi again mine was just kind of I don't know if might say, but I I kind of messaged Dave because at North Wales it was it was kind of going well I kind of it's people not getting paid for a while um and or just getting paid late and things like that. It was it wasn't obviously looking good really and I was coming up I think it was this was my last year on my contract so um I met as I said I messaged Dave and I was like would it be possible for me to come here I said I know I've not played for a while and I'm not fit at the minute but would you be happy to give me a sense and he was like yeah we'll just take you in and just see how it goes sort of Um, so yeah, that's that's how it come about. But I think at the beginning of the year, they offer me, but I I kind of said to him, "Look, I'm not fitting."
At the time, my loyalties lied with North Wales.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I thought I' I've been like one type of club man all my life. So, like with Pilts, I've literally been the the majority.
>> Yeah. Yeah, >> I just think I owed it to North Wales cuz they give me the chance and then they signed me on a two-year deal. Um anyway, so they they obviously believe that I could get back fit and maybe play again.
>> Um but yeah, when and then when I think I come to a game don't think who it was against one of your first home games. It might have been Olden think >> was the first game.
>> Was that where it were? Yeah, I've come to that and um just seeing all the fans and things like that, it was quite it was quite easy decision cuz I thought and it's professional club. Um yeah, so it was quite easy for me to be honest.
Yeah, I mean we've talked about this like you know when players have when players have gone out and made like the debut in front of like five and a half thousand but >> you get you get the same sort of like >> you get totally >> sorry mate.
>> No, it's all right mate. Um we talk about it when people are going out and running out in front of 5 and a half thousand but when you're in the middle of that like that you know it must feel pretty special mustn't it? knowing that you know you've got a chance of >> Yeah, that that's what it is. Like obviously with with North Wales it was >> like it babe that >> um let you go let your daddy go soon.
>> At North Wales it wasn't obviously there was actually very good fans. They just didn't have a lot of them but they they would turn up every week everywhere.
Um, but then when it when it did come to top even like on the weekend seeing how many fans it gets like I'll be honest I'd be I'd be well nervous to run out in front of them all uh because of how many there is but I'm excited to hopefully I get the chance to do it very soon and yeah >> give it a go honestly we will let you go in a minute.
No, but we did what we wanted to bring you on because and again, you know, me and Paul talked about this platform for good.
>> You know, you've obviously not played so far for us this season, but we wanted to get you on just get you in a bit ahead of that curve and sort of, >> you know, hopefully be the end of your rehab back into playing again, mate. Um, you know, that's kind of where we're at, I think, Paul, isn't it?
>> Yeah, certainly is. How far off are you going from from being full? If you back training now or are you not far off?
>> Yeah, I'm back I'm back full training now. I played I played my first 40 minutes and like I was saying before and I think it I think it's been like 760 odd days since my last game. Um and I played my first 40 minutes on the weekend for my amateur club Pilks. Um so that was good it but I just it was just a match fitness. I'm I'm quite fit running wise and um things like that and in the gym, but I just just the matt fitness obviously you can't you can't train that. It's just uh obviously playing the games what's going to get me back up to that level.
And I think obviously from Pils to this level, it's going to be a lot quicker for me. So, I guess when I when I do get the chance to play in me first game, it's going to be challenging for me. Like, but I'm looking forward to it because it's been so long for me like >> No, we look forward to seeing you out on the field on with Paul. Uh Paul, anything else you want to ask before we we wrap it up and conscious a little girl a little girl needs a daddy there.
>> Just a quick one. What was what was it like when you took your first hit playing for Pilks at the weekend? If you're not playing for 7 700 odd days, that first tackle must have uh must have been tough to take. Yeah, I feel before it I was nervous and I I said this to like everybody I've spoken to. Uh I was quite >> a day but uh we I I was I'm always nervous even before training just because of my knee. Um, but then it get when but then as literally I was saying I was saying to Ch as soon as I do start training like it it all just goes and I don't I generally don't think about even a tiny bit but as soon as I stop I'm like I've just been doing all that and I've got a bad knee but obviously it's not it's not bad anymore. Um, >> so it's just I think I feel like it's just a confidence thing. But as I said, the first tackle I said to one of the olds, I was like, "If as soon as we get the ball, give it me cuz I'm I just want to be tackled. Get it out the way." And then after that, I think I must have took about 25 carries.
>> Wow. Uh I was I I was I just wanted the ball every time because just just to get me body back used to it, but I was struggling on the on one day to badly walk.
>> Happy days. Well, let me just ask just before we do wrap up then. How was um how was Hyrox helped your recovery?
>> Um all right. I think the the recent one I've just done, I actually couldn't train for it. So I I I kind I was going to pull I was going to pull out with it because I thought I'm not I'm not going to be fit enough. I'd only been running for 3 weeks. Um so then I just I just chanced and I managed actually beat the last time I done one. So yeah, >> happy days. Right, mate. We're going to let you go cuz uh yeah.
>> Yeah. Sorry about that.
>> No, absolutely not mate. you always say right it's the same like like you know children animals it's all good mate like I say we got Joe Alice won't grab his dog and bring his so no it's all good mate honestly it's all good and it brings a bit of personality to the show and that's what we're all about >> um I'm going to wrap you up though there so let you get off mate so um >> I'm going to say nothing about the buy me a coffee tonight but I am going to say at the start of the show we did deliver um bit of awareness around the gofundme that QR code is still in the bottom of the screen so give that a scan if you want to head over there and read more about Wilbur's story. Um, give us a follow on socials. We're on Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok, and X. Um, I think I said them all in. Um, so yeah, we are on them socials. Come and give us a follow.
Nothing would make me um happier than seeing a few more followers on there.
And hopefully we're out to a bit of a wider audience if the club have shared this as well. So, hello if you're a first- time listener. I probably should have done that an hour and 20 minutes ago, but anyway, we are where we are, aren't we? No getting this weekend. or have a great wheat reds. Bring on the soul.
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