Belief vs Reality: The Non Duality Question

[00:00:04][music] [music] [music] >> Hi. Oh my god, I'm so happy. Wait.

[00:00:21]Next is firstly, can I just thank you for letting me do this earlier and thank you for trusting me as well to like send you the money later on. I really appreciate that.

[00:00:32]>> No problem. No problem at all.

[00:00:35]>> Oh, good. I'm so happy to speak to you like you have no idea cuz I don't know why, but I feel like the way you've been recently sharing has hit a spot for me. Like it's made it so clear that there was nothing wrong with my intro and like law of assumption, manifestation, and all these things.

[00:00:55]Because for so long, I don't know if you know, I actually I remember first seeing you when I used to post on YouTube myself under the name oneness on oneness. I used to post and I remember seeing you and I never clicked on your videos until this year.

[00:01:13]But yeah, your message has been recently just like healing that part of me that thought that I there was something wrong with the way I was expressing like myself, you know.

[00:01:26]>> Wow.

[00:01:26]>> So I don't know. I just feel so like connected to you and I just needed I feel like I needed this session with you cuz I want to post on YouTube again. I really do. I want to express again. I have this It comes over me every single day to click record and post. And I did it once. So I did it this year one time and the video got like 2.5k views in like two days. So I was like, wow, there's a lot and it was me opening up about the tension that I felt with non-duality groups because it felt as if I couldn't say what I wanted to say because everything I would say would be policed and everything I would say would be like, "Oh, but there's a self there, isn't there? There's a There's some self there." And I'm like, "Bro, like I just want to express that And it's like so funny cuz it's like So, I I got into radical non-duality and then like obviously, there's nothing to drop away. Like it's just life is the same but different, right?

[00:02:28]But then I started to get into Neville Goddard and like this was like 3 years And when I got into Neville Goddard, [ __ ] what I told you, the way things changed. Like I could manifest like this. Like my rent money would just be in my account like this. Like It just was so remarkable to me how it makes complete sense with non-duality in my opinion. Like the law of assumption directly makes sense with non-duality. Like it just felt like they were one in the same thing and I was just kind of like more open to the universe showing me quicker like just in front of my face, just a reflection of my assumption.

[00:03:06]But yeah, so I just wanted to speak to you. I don't know why, but I just feel like it's going to help me to finally post again on YouTube. Like I really want to do this. So, yeah.

[00:03:16]Wow.

[00:03:18]>> It's amazing. That's really amazing.

[00:03:20]Thanks so much for sharing all of that.

[00:03:23]>> Yeah.

[00:03:23]>> Yeah.

[00:03:25]>> Thank you.

[00:03:27]>> Yeah. Wow.

[00:03:32]It's so true. Everything you just said I resonate with it all completely. Yeah.

[00:03:38]>> It's incredible. Like this Since I saw you and Tatiana actually expressed that you you know about law of assumption, you you like you're actually interested in that sort of stuff. I just felt like this big load jump off of me cuz it felt as if like even though this was my community of people, I truly believe the people in this community are beautiful.

[00:04:00]It just felt like you gave me permission to be like, "Okay, cool. I can speak about this now. Like it's time."

[00:04:07]>> Yes.

[00:04:08]Oh, I really look forward to see seeing what you're doing, seeing what you do.

[00:04:13]And and if I can help or collaborate in any way, I'd be delighted. Yeah.

[00:04:19]>> I really think that there's some sort of Also, Ellie says hi. Ellie Ellie was so excited that we're going to be speaking cuz obviously me and Ellie are like best friends now.

[00:04:28]Like >> Oh, that's great. That's so lovely.

[00:04:32]>> Yeah, we really connected through the group chat and it's just like Also, it's so funny, Alexis. It's so [ __ ] funny because >> [laughter] >> but it was so funny cuz when we started seeing you were posting about law of assumption and manifestation and like non-duality and speaking about this, we were just like, "Oh, thank god. Like there's other people like this. Like it's not just us, you know?"

[00:04:57]Yeah, so I'm like I don't know what exactly I'm seeking from this conversation, but I just I don't know. I guess I would like to hear your like a deeper like explanation of how you see the connection.

[00:05:11]>> Yeah. Yeah, okay. Mhm.

[00:05:15]Well, mhm.

[00:05:19]So, I'll be as honest as I possibly can be with you when I say that I've noticed a few things in my if we can Yeah, I don't I don't think it's an exaggeration or anything else other than the truth to say as a a communicator and a career, it's been my career for the last 3 years to be communicating this message of non-duality.

[00:05:44]And what I've come to realize is that one, it's not a sustainable income.

[00:05:52]It just isn't. And two, I could be giving so much more. I know I could be providing more if I don't stick to a rigid way of speaking totally so specifically and particularly.

[00:06:09]Um and three, I've also seen through that rigidity of conducting sessions in a certain way actually lead people to progressively feel more unhappy. Yeah.

[00:06:26]I've seen it.

[00:06:29]>> [laughter] >> Yeah.

[00:06:30]So, I've noticed that and you know, I noticed it for some time, but but it kept sort of it it kept coming up more and more strongly. And and I started to begin to think like, "What am I doing here?" Like, really. I love sharing this message and it will I think to me it will always be the most beautiful thing my this body, heart, and mind has ever heard, felt, resonated with, and received. I feel very privileged to have found it. It's There's no doubt that it's been so unbelievably liberating and compassionate.

[00:07:05]But I've seen that some bodies, they they're not really in the place to actually hear it. Um and when that happens, they get it conceptually to a to a to a large degree. But what also seems to happen in that is a waiting around for a better event. They think that they understand that it's not an event. They think they know that. They think they seem to realize that conceptually, but nevertheless, there's this subtle agitation playing in the background or in the foreground, deeply thinking, feeling, and believing that the absence of me is the solution to all of my problems.

[00:07:51]And because they keep on going with this agitated sense, this feeling in the body, they they really come to believe that this whole thing called contracted energy or me is is a until that releases, I'm going to be stuck, I'm going to be miserable, I'm going to be in my own thoughts and my own world of suffering separately. And and I just think that that's such a tragedy that people get themselves stuck in that rut.

[00:08:19]Oh, and and all I see that as is as Bob Proctor would put it, another manifestation teacher. Oh, I all I see that as is another paradigm. That's his language. Another paradigm of just weaving non-dual concepts into its thinking, feeling, and believing patterns.

[00:08:39]And it just keeps going for years. And I've seen people like, you know, I don't want to mention any names. I don't want to out anyone. I don't want to, you know, upset anyone or shame anyone. I certainly don't want to rock the boat too much, although I am a bit of an anarchist at heart. We know that.

[00:08:54]>> [laughter] >> But but um I've seen people like in in this sort of community in the context of non-duality and like you see them they see their body language walking through the door. Like you can see how sort of hope-based they they are and like but but sort of heavy.

[00:09:14]And I just think, you know, you you fell into a trap here and you're waiting around for this mythical event called the next glimpse or the falling away or the dissolution, whatever however you want to language it. And it's just absolutely unnecessary. And I think they've missed a trick there.

[00:09:32]They've got stuck and trapped in this belief system of of no me.

[00:09:37]and it's just completely it's tormenting. It's tormenting to watch and it's actually tormenting to almost be a part of that, which is why I started to open up speaking in a different way. Still still spreading the message firmly and clearly that, you know, ultimately there is no separate self and that will always be the the ultimate truth, quote unquote.

[00:10:00]But nevertheless, life still goes on in the relative landscape. And that's the only disclaimer I'll give here in in the relative landscape, life still goes on.

[00:10:10]There's still ups and downs, there's still preferences, there's still, you know, wants basic wants and needs to be happy, safe, and comfortable in life.

[00:10:21]That doesn't require a separate self cuz there never was one. You know, there might have been these thoughts, feelings, and beliefs that there was one. There might have been the thoughts, feelings, and beliefs that there was a doer.

[00:10:32]And that might have had a very visceral charge to it. Yes, it did it perhaps did feel very embodied. But that that's just incidental.

[00:10:41]And without that paradigm, there's still the possibility of redirecting and this is this is how I'm putting it like as we start to explore the abundance program more and what that might become more evolving to.

[00:10:55]We're we're still figuring it out, but this is the language I'm using at the moment, sort of privately at the moment.

[00:11:02]Although it will become more, you know, integrated into what we're doing. Um it's it's simply a matter of redirecting and redistributing energy to find a more wholesome pattern that the body can live in and as to express as the vibration it really wants to because you can be, you know, like that paradigm of so-called me can release and you can still be miserable as ever. You can still feel tormented or traumatized or, you know, doesn't get rid of all of the blockages in the body.

[00:11:38]Um, so there can still be the redistribution of of, yeah, gratitude and joy and appreciation for life and and and goals and, you know, artists like are artists really going to stop painting when the so-called me drops, you know, no, they're probably going to carry on. If anything, it's probably going to amplify. Being a writer, being Yeah. So, why not you know, enjoy? This is This is why the no show turns to the light show because the because the light encompasses all colors. It encompasses every flavor. So, this isn't a no. We're not living in a no. We're We're living in the yes.

[00:12:16]>> No more and I'm so done with that old way of communicating non-duality and it seems as though there's a lot of like popular teachers coming round to this.

[00:12:25]It seems as though there's a lot of like >> Mhm.

[00:12:28]>> conversation around this now. Like, um, like when I watch, for example, Simply Always Awake, he was always very non-dual like radical non-duality as well. But ever since I've been watching him, I've noticed there's a shift going on even in the way he communicates where it's like becoming much more free and more open and like more resonant to people's desires and what they would want and like cuz why I don't understand this whole thing of like when you get into radical non-duality, like it it it is so true that it becomes another belief system for people. And I've seen people that were there 4 years ago when I first run into it, now exact same. They're still in that. They're still in the whole there's no me. Oh, but you said this, so that sort of language suggests that you still have me like somehow. Like, it's always this it's a very magnifying energy where it's like constantly It's so obviously mind.

[00:13:23]It's so obviously, you you another construction, another attempt try to grasp the ungraspable and like and I'm I'm so into like also the same thing. Like And I guess this is my resistance. This is what I want to share. Um >> [clears throat] >> so I I I I click record, okay? I click record on my phone. It's recording me.

[00:13:47]Words seem to flow out. The words are flowing out and it's such a beautiful words. I'm like, "Wow, okay. This is coming out." And it's beautiful. I'm even enjoying the the however this is being expressed.

[00:14:00]But then there's this weird like this weird voice in my mind that says, "People are going to perceive this differently because I'm posting on a YouTube channel that I used to post radical non-duality on." So people in that community space might But then I'm like, "Okay, that's obviously like thoughts that I'm that that I'm experiencing that I don't need to hold on to." But then somehow it makes me delete the video. Like it makes me Like I end up deleting the video. Like the deletion just happens and I'm like, "Okay."

[00:14:30]And then there's something unsatisfied here because I really want to share.

[00:14:33]Like I really love Neville Goddard. I've been Oh, he's just brilliant. Like the the way that the words are being expressed, it feels so in unison with non-duality and I truly believe I'm I also want to do the same thing. I really want to help people to actually like become their fullest self and like their character like it completely because that's I truly think that's everyone's desire. Like even these people that are saying you know, no self, no this, no that, I I genuinely think at the core of it they genuinely want to fully express with no like no boundaries, no no thoughts of am I being a me? I don't think that's even a thing. Like when you really understand it doesn't you don't I don't get those thoughts anymore of like, "Is this me being a me?" Like whatever. Like there's no there's none of that speculation going on within me.

[00:15:20]It's just life and like life appears how it appears and I really think I don't know, like when I I don't watch your videos to get anything from it, Eva. Like I just watch it because I I love you. I I really enjoy seeing you express. It's really nice. Like you express in such a like motherly goddess like way that I really admire, and the way you interact with people just feels so inspiring to me.

[00:15:41]It's something I don't know. I really want to be like that, too. Like I obviously my own character, my own version of it, but like I don't know. You'll It feels almost as if I'm ready. Like I'm really ready to like just let go of this idea that the non-duality community is going to like scorn me and torch me and >> Yeah.

[00:15:59]>> throw pebbles at me because I'm speaking about manifestation. Like [ __ ] Like >> [laughter] >> this is what I want to speak about. It's fun. Like >> They they will Yeah.

[00:16:09]>> They will, won't they? I need to stop being afraid of that, though, cuz I know they are going to, and I know it's going to be okay. And I I I don't need to delete my videos just because I assume that, you know?

[00:16:22]>> Mhm.

[00:16:23]>> It's just so frustrating cuz I I have so much to say, and I don't know what I have to say, but I know I have so much to say. Like it I feel like I am a speaker, too. I I truly feel this way, and like it's it's you know, I've tried to get rid of that feeling. I've tried for years.

[00:16:42]Cuz I used to I actually got like I was getting thousands of views like on my videos every time I would post. Like it was actually doing really well. People were asking me for one-on-ones. Like I saw this as something I could potentially also start a career with.

[00:16:54]Like obviously I'm studying and stuff, and I'm doing a lot of relative things like at the same time. But like I saw this as something I could even speak about my studies. Like um you know, on on my channel and stuff because I'm also really interested in um children, helping children like really become I I saw you were raising money for children, and I I was really happy to see that cuz obviously I don't know.

[00:17:17]I think it's so important. And also, yeah, I feel like I have so much to say right now. Sorry. I'm I'm really like on on caffeine right now.

[00:17:24]>> [laughter] >> I love it. Yeah, carry on. I'm loving it.

[00:17:28]>> What's it called? Yeah, like I I want to basically just express this message of like non-duality cuz it's so I don't know. I feel pretty embodied. I feel pretty [ __ ] embodied. Like I don't wake up thinking about it. So, I feel like that's pretty embodied. Cuz before like I would like wake up like seeking seeking seeking like I need to find this like I need to find the thing that you can't find. Like wow, like I always thought it would happen to me as well.

[00:17:56]Like that something would happen to me.

[00:17:58]But nothing happened. Instead, I became way more alive in this body. A way more like conscious. It's almost like this raw feminine energy. Like this raw like feeling energy of like just receptivity to the whole world. And it's like yeah, like I have essays and essays and essays to share. I genuinely do. And I really want to post. And I really >> [snorts] >> like I don't want to let this stupid fear hold me back from like just fully expressing whatever it is that I want to express. Like it's not stupid what I'm saying. It's not stupid cuz I I've also had this thought of like I'm like am I being like am I missing something like cuz of the fact that I resonate with Neville Goddard and also radical non-duality. Am I missing something? Like am I feel like all messages kind of merge into one for me. Like they they all feel like one message cuz it's just I don't know. Like it just feels so all-encompassing, you know?

[00:18:53]So, yeah, I get a bit like I feel judgment if I'm really honest. I feel judgment sometimes from the radical non-duality community people. Like not because they're judging me cuz I haven't really said anything to like cuz I'm scared. I don't want to say anything to like trigger that judgment. But like um it feels like I'm I've got this like it's almost like you know when you have your mom in the back of your head like telling you off about something that she doesn't even know you've done. Like it feels like I have that but with like the non-duality community and I really want that to dissolve. Like I want to see that dissolve so that when I speak I express clearly and I express freely.

[00:19:29]>> I understand. I have the same I've had the same thoughts and feelings, yeah.

[00:19:35]Yeah, because I was in that for so long, yeah. And I don't think I don't think manifestation and non-duality are at odds. I just think non-duality is an absolute exposure and manifestation is a relative application. That's how I see it. They're not they're not contradicting. Anyone who really gets it will understand that non-duality is is reality as absolute. It's not two, it's not divided, it's not relative, you know, because it's oneness. But >> [clears throat] >> that doesn't mean that it can't appear as relative. And in that relative paradigm, oh yeah, manifestation appears. You know.

[00:20:17]>> Oh, yeah. [laughter] Yeah, like incredibly so. It's >> Yeah, I mean just that ask anyone who's taken any amount of psychedelics or or meditated or you know, been on a vipassana retreat. Like there's so many examples of manifestation appearing to happen all around us. It's it's relative, but that doesn't mean that it's an illusion. It it's it's different. It's you know, the we start to think that anything to do with cause and effect is is like completely at odds with non-duality, but if you think about it that doesn't really make any sense. Like people, you know, get the message that there's no duality, there's no two, there's no opposition, blah blah blah, but they still brush their teeth, you know? Like they still they still, you know, go to bed at a reasonable time or eat foods that they believe will, you know, hold heal the body and maintain it. Like so there is this It's not You see, the thing about cause and effect is and this is where manifestation comes into be interesting to have a proper podcast about this, by the way, which is what we're going to do. But the thing about cause and effect is it's not that, you know, there's there's no cause and effect on any level at all. It's that there's no cause and effect on the absolute level.

[00:21:36]You know, so the brushing of the teeth and the healthy the dental health, that that's oneness. Like in the absolute that that's one. That's oneness. But in the relative, it's brushing teeth dental health. That's what it is. That's the relative way of looking at it. That there's this and then there's that.

[00:21:55]There's cause and effect. But in the But in the absolute landscape, there's no division. The cause and the effect are one.

[00:22:02]And so I don't see manifestation as any different. Hi everyone. Thanks so much for choosing this video amongst the various algorithms. And thanks so much for hitting the like and subscribe buttons as well. If you're enjoying this content and you like what we do here, then head over to the website and get involved. Let's have a chat and let's play together in the light show. So much love to you. See you soon.

[00:22:27]Yeah, it's in it's in that way of looking at things. Yeah.

[00:22:32]>> Like I don't hold on to these words I'm saying. I don't feel like there's a self behind my words. Like I don't feel like there's a me. Like there's that [ __ ] mystical me that there was before like a linear thing. Like it was not it's not like that. And I don't think it was ever really strongly like that for me. I think if anything I didn't really have cuz I think people with I don't know how you feel about this, but cuz I had a lot of trauma growing up and there was a lot of abuse, I don't think I fully developed like a ego that was like so like like feisty and strong and like believed in itself, you know? I don't think I fully fully believed in my own self. So, [laughter] it was pretty easy for me to like kind of integrate If anything, I felt like after non-duality, I became more myself. I became more of the character, and that has been the most like amazing experience to just become more Roshan.

[00:23:26]Like I just wanted to truly let Roshan express, to let Roshan be and just be alive. Like cuz I felt before I would feel so shameful and so down and like there was it felt as if I was too ashamed to even be myself, but now it's just not like that. Like it's just it couldn't be even further from truth. But if I stayed within those very radical spaces, I'm pretty sure I would have ended up like probably a lot of people on the group chats now. Like where they're constantly sticking onto certain words, certain ways of expression.

[00:23:58]>> Yes.

[00:23:59]>> Like it is sad to see. Like me and Ellie notice it often, and we notice that sometimes when people try to express differently, you would be there and you won't acknowledge it. You would I would see you always you would like the message that they would send or something. Like >> [snorts] >> um I think me and Ellie tried to express kind of differently for a while, and you were literally the only one that was like supporting our like new expression, you know?

[00:24:23]And it's like this is always going to grow. This is always going to become new. I just never ever ever like want [snorts] to I don't want to be in authentic and just speak in this certain language that radical non-duality offers. Like it doesn't resonate. It really doesn't resonate anymore. It did at one point, but just I don't want to be in the graveyard.

[00:24:43]I don't want to be sitting in a graveyard. Like with these [laughter] people. Like >> [gasps] >> I want to you know, the full expression of aliveness that is just desiring to come out. And I just see it in your eyes. I've seen it in your eyes since day one. And like I don't know. I'm just so grateful for obviously the energy that you provide to everyone as well cuz it's helping me become more brave to finally go forward.

[00:25:07]And like actually start my own thing with this potentially.

[00:25:12]>> [laughter] >> That would be so exciting. I do see it for myself. I really do.

[00:25:17]>> Wow.

[00:25:19]Thank you.

[00:25:21]>> Of course.

[00:25:22]Thank you. You're so like goddess like energy. Like it's incredible. You really embody it.

[00:25:28]>> [snorts] >> So strongly, you know, it's it's just apparent in the way you look. You know, it's not even your words. It's the way you look at people.

[00:25:37]>> [snorts] >> Mhm.

[00:25:38]>> Yeah.

[00:25:40]>> Thank you, love. That's really touching and I and I think I needed to hear this.

[00:25:44]Yeah.

[00:25:45]>> I feel like I don't know why, but this conversation felt so necessary. Like >> Oh, totally. I feel it. This is another This is another As far as I'm concerned, this is another affirmation. Yeah, right here.

[00:25:56]Yeah.

[00:25:57]Cuz it's been messy. It has been messy for us both.

[00:26:01]By the sounds of it.

[00:26:02]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean of Yeah. I feel like it's only >> [snorts] >> like it's only natural to kind of evolve into more expression, more colors to use. Cuz like it feels as if like what do you want me to do? Just like express the absolute all the [ __ ] time? Like Jesus Christ, the absolute wants to express other things. We're obviously here in this body for a reason. Like I'm physical for a reason. This is physical for a reason. This is Look at all these colors, these different textures, these different experiences, different ways that the light shines and the shadows shine. Like of course this wants to express more vibrantly. Of course. You know, there's no other way for me. Like if Yeah.

[00:26:47]>> Get it.

[00:26:48]Mhm.

[00:26:49]>> [clears throat] >> Well, we've clearly both been reflecting on this and it seems like through that energy of again as as I would call it redistribution, it seems to have it seems to have brought this about.

[00:27:02]Um >> Yeah.

[00:27:03]>> And and that seems like it's just going to allow for yeah, a blooming of of whatever it could be really.

[00:27:11]Yeah.

[00:27:11]>> Yeah, I mean I'm going to post on this channel and I have a very good feeling about it cuz I know my community is there. I know there's people that I need to speak to, you know? I feel that I feel this pressure every day it's a post. I'm like, >> [laughter] >> "What is [snorts] this coming from?" Cuz it's been three, four years now. Like Jesus Christ, like let go of me now. But I'm not joking.

[00:27:33]I would have like so I was on LSD like last year.

[00:27:38]And I was tripping and I was by myself and I was just like feeling all this feminine very feminine energy come over me and like also feminine leadership is like something I'm really interested in at the moment cuz um [snorts and clears throat] I think it's kind of like what you're doing, but like I want So you know how like most people in this world think that like you have to be masculine to lead?

[00:28:00]And [snorts] it's like I don't want I don't want that sort of feminism in my life. Like I want feminine leadership. I want to like I really want that sort of goddess energy like in my life as well and I've been really like [snorts] into goddesses obviously.

[00:28:15]But anyway, during this trip, I like found this video by Neville Goddard's.

[00:28:19]There was an in-person um >> [snorts] >> There was like this guy that would go into his in-person He's like 90 years old or something and he would go into like Neville Goddard's in-person talks and stuff. So he just speaks about um Actually, I'll send his videos to you because I'm telling you it's all non-duality, but like in the most perfectly He speaks so perfectly. But yeah, so uh he was expressing that this moment is the only moment, but like in such a way that it was so [snorts] vibrant to me.

[00:28:47]So, when I like I posted a comment in uh the under the video and I was like, "Wow, like this is incredible." I'll send the video to you cuz it's absolutely mind-blowingly amazing. The way he's expressing I think you would actually be very inspired by it considering you're also changing the expression.

[00:29:06]Or it's the expression's already changed but you're, you know. But um what's it called? So, yeah, I commented under that and then the guy that runs the YouTube channel that does the interviews with him, he um commented back like a quote to me. Like a But I didn't realize my podcast was linked to my YouTube channel. So, he must have quoted myself to me to me. But I was like, "Oh, that's so cool." I was like, "Oh, like what a lovely thing to say." Like Like that's a cool quote. And then and then like he and then he said something like um he basically asked for my email in the end. He said, "I have a message for you if you're open to hearing it." And he had posted reposted a snippet of my podcast and like people had responded in his comments and stuff about it and was like, "Wow, who is this?" and stuff. And this was like two year three years after. And then um and then he emailed me this paragraph being like, "Rojin, I don't give a [ __ ] how insecure you are.

[00:30:02]I don't care how much you're going to resist this. You need to post." He literally just said, "I don't care if you're posting the war. I don't care if you're posting your anything. Just speak and post. Stop resisting it. Just post."

[00:30:18]And I was like, "Why is this guy saying this to me?" Cuz I also had someone else whose wife passed away who I commented under the video of.

[00:30:26]>> [snorts] >> And he paid for my He paid for everything. I think he's still paying for it. Like all my subscriptions to get my podcast out there.

[00:30:33]>> Wow.

[00:30:34]>> And all he would say was, "Post. I don't care what you do. Just [ __ ] post."

[00:30:39]And then he said a He said this weird comment like, "All your bills are going to be paid. Your rent is going to be paid. You're never going to need to worry about money again if you just post. Stop delaying it." And this was like a year ago. And I still like I post and then I delete. I post and then I delete. It's like this weird fluctuation that happens. But it seems as though like this is encouraging me every day to like just go full force and just like I don't know why cuz obviously there's no one to help. But for some reason I think people I think naturally you just want to like share cuz you know that it's given you so much relief. So it's like and I want people to be so expressive like I just want people to dance and feel their body and feel sexy and feel so like good in their bodies and just so alive. I don't want people to be sitting there in a dark room cats.

[00:31:34]>> It's a celebration and it's a light show and we may as well enjoy it whilst it appears to happen. Yeah.

[00:31:40]>> Are you guys having any more like retreats and stuff?

[00:31:44]In London?

[00:31:45]>> Yeah, so we're actually doing one next weekend. Well, it's not a retreat as such. It's a two-day event. I'd love it if you were there, yeah.

[00:31:55]>> Oh my god, I would love to come. The only thing is I get paid at the end of the month. That's the only thing.

[00:32:01]>> Well, let's not worry about that. Let's just, you know, um don't worry about the money. If If the money is the only thing like preventing it then just come and we'll sort that out like whatever.

[00:32:12]>> I mean I can sort it out as soon as I get paid but >> Yeah.

[00:32:17]Yeah, we can we can figure that out together.

[00:32:19]>> And it's in Hollywood Holloway?

[00:32:21]>> Yeah.

[00:32:22]>> [gasps] >> Okay, it's not even that far from me.

[00:32:24]Okay, I'm going to come.

[00:32:25]>> Amazing. Amazing.

[00:32:27]>> What time is it though?

[00:32:30]>> Um so it's two two days of It's It's two full days.

[00:32:38]So Yeah, I think it starts at 10:30 in the morning. But that's the the Saturday and the Sunday.

[00:32:50]And then there's I think there's two meet two session times two sessions in the afternoon. And then there's the Saturday evening. And you can come to as much or as little of it as you want.

[00:33:00]>> work till 5:00 p.m.

[00:33:02]>> [snorts] >> Till 5:00?

[00:33:04]>> Yeah, is it would it be possible for me to come after that or would it be over by then?

[00:33:09]>> Uh the on Saturday and Sunday Yeah, it'll probably be too late really.

[00:33:14]>> Oh.

[00:33:15]>> Yeah.

[00:33:15]>> No.

[00:33:17]>> But you could come you could come on the Saturday or the Sunday evening. I mean, we'll be having the Saturday evening no show light show, sorry.

[00:33:25]Um and we you know, you could come for that.

[00:33:29]>> Is it on Zoom?

[00:33:31]>> [snorts] >> Yes, but you could sit with us in person if you wanted to.

[00:33:35]>> Okay, I think I might do that cuz I would actually love to like meet you. I think Ellie's met you. Has Ellie met Yeah, I really want to meet Ellie so much. Like you don't understand.

[00:33:45]You know, me and her are like, "Yeah, let's actually You know, if we could like surprise her with another Brighton meeting." Cuz she's she loves you so much. Like we genuinely have been like the most silent supporters of your energy. We're just like, "Alexis is just mother energy. Like you're just such a mother." I feel like you you embody such mother energy. You know, I would actually love to like >> [snorts] >> um help out in any way. Like if you guys ever needed me in any way to like I don't know cook food or something like like that. I would always be willing to help.

[00:34:17]>> Thank [snorts] you. I I I would be delighted to take you up on that. Yeah.

[00:34:22]>> I feel like these sort of things they run with volunteering sort of help anyway. Cuz I I do feel like I I it seems as though people can make a career from this. I mean, that's what I'm hoping to do. I would hope to have some sort of like a manifestation coach sort of thing. Like cuz I'm telling you, I am good at that stuff. Like I can It's amazing.

[00:34:45]Like Alexis, I don't know if you've noticed, but when you imagine something and there's no resistance, there's no tension, it just It's like this. It's just in front of your eyes and you're just like Like I've tested this like in the moment that I've imagined it. So for example, like I remember when I was first starting off, Neville Goddard he encourages to experiment with it, to not just take him on his word.

[00:35:08]And I was like changing in real life like what people So for example, I just got back from a holiday and no one had mentioned my tan. No one mentioned how good my tan looked. So I was like >> [laughter] >> So I was like um in my mind, I was like, "Oh, thank you so much." Like I just kept imagining that in my mind as my friends were in front of me and they're all guys. Like they're not going to understand like these sort of things. But I kept imagining that and then my friend the next second he goes, "Oh Roshan, you look so tanned. You're like glowing."

[00:35:39]And I was like I was like, "Oh, thank you so much."

[00:35:43]It's so funny to me cuz And then I had this other one where I was like, "Oh my god, for me? Like are you being serious?

[00:35:49]For me? That's so cute. Thank you." I was doing that a lot in my mind. I was being offered gifts 24/7.

[00:35:55]>> [laughter] >> Like after that point, constantly being offered gifts. Isn't it funny how that works?

[00:36:01]>> Yeah. Wow.

[00:36:03]>> Have you experienced things like that with this?

[00:36:06]>> Yes. Yes, it's it's new to me. I must admit. Um it it's something that I've been It's something that's been percolating in this in the tissues for a while. I actually watched The Secret when I was very, very young. Um but I just never because I was a teenager, I wasn't it didn't it didn't persevere. But um Yeah, so it's it's still quite new to me, but I've realized that we're manifesting all the time, you know, >> Yes.

[00:36:33]>> whether that's so-called negative or positive vibration.

[00:36:38]I mean, I saw I seen it in when I was doing Buddhism, when I was doing the Metta Bhavana like every other day, which is the practice of developing loving-kindness towards all sentient beings. That literally changes your mind.

[00:36:51]And so you start to feel more loving and kind towards everyone, and that naturally starts to attract certain types of people to you. I mean I don't think there's anything mystical about that. It's just basic.

[00:37:03]>> But but there'll be other examples, yeah.

[00:37:06]>> Doesn't it make absolute sense? Because when you think about it, like your mind is the only I don't know if this is scientifically true, but I've heard about this fact somewhere, but your mind is I think Abraham Hicks actually speaks about this, but your mind is like always translating vibration, always.

[00:37:24]Cuz that's the only way we're actually able to perceive this world, cuz obviously like 99.9% space between everything. Like you can't perceive anything without the mind's processing system.

[00:37:34]So it's like obviously if you re-shift things in the mind and your assumptions, because assumption is all there is.

[00:37:41]That's what non-duality says. Stories is all there is. If you shift your assumptions and if there's no more tension around trying to create something, it's just naturally creating, and it seems as though this is obviously love.

[00:37:54]So like it seems as though it's the only time you relax is when you're in that state of love. So it's like I don't know, it just directly correlates to me and like it makes complete sense with the way things are.

[00:38:06]Like that manifestation is like this. I think a lot of people are just so like the reason why I think there's such a conflict sometimes is because people don't realize that like they are creating those circumstances of being disappointed in non-duality over and over and over again, like >> Yes.

[00:38:24]Yeah, it's a few things and that's one of them. There's a few things I've noticed as well. That's certainly one of them. Another thing is that people are just frustrated with doing any kind of work. They they they've been here, they've been there, they've gone everywhere and non-duality is often one of the last places they they they end up and um they feel as though it's a great relief.

[00:38:46]I certainly did when I discovered it because it it seemed like, "Oh, wow.

[00:38:51]You know, this this thing called enlightenment that I was searching for this whole time never existed, but but ultimately the light was everything."

[00:38:59]Um and so that was a great relief and that did end up in a lot of relinquishing of certain tension because there was a there was a great disease of seeking constantly and so it was a relief when I discovered it.

[00:39:12]Nevertheless, catch up. Um yeah, so fed-up-ness.

[00:39:19]The the there seems to be um yeah, there seems to be like this sort of I mean, Rupert had his own way of talking about it and you know, of of saying the prodigal son who who you know, ends up higher some and fed up like going to spirituality, to religion, going here, there, and everywhere.

[00:39:48]>> Mhm. Mhm.

[00:39:51]>> And yeah, and when we come across non-duality, it can seem like a huge relief and a huge release.

[00:40:01]>> Mhm.

[00:40:01]>> Um and that that can be very soothing for some bodies, but other bodies like they just get enmeshed in that storyline uh and so what they yeah, so it for some does become another belief system. It it it becomes another another doctrine or a dogma almost and and that's where the policing that's where the policing starts to happen. But, I think the the resistance to manifestation, if that I think that's what we were talking about as well, isn't it? The that they people don't want to feel a sense of constriction because they already feel so constricted by their own paradigm.

[00:40:42]And so, they believe that, you know, manifestation what they've come to believe is that manifestation is is feeding the paradigm of me.

[00:40:55]When it by by um you know, going into the language of there's there's a you as consciousness and here's what you do, here's what you need to do and all of this and that.

[00:41:07]And yeah, it's like what's happened there is an assumption that that kind of thing can only appear if there's the so-called you know, what's so often called contracted energy. I mean, it it I I struggle to say those words out loud now because of all of the connotations that are associated with that term and what it means and how black and white it is. Like for there to be contracted energy or low contracted energy and if there is, then then you're seeking and you're behaving like this, but if it's gone, then then there's no one, there's no doer and all of that stuff goes away with it. And it's like all of that so black and white unbelievably and anything can appear. There's no rules. It's complete chaos and so, there's no rules. So, anything can appear. Um but it's like there's this belief that there's this seems to be this belief that, you know, manifestation is going to feed the resistance to what is and the seeking for something else and that's going to make that energy even more contracted, it's going to reaffirm its solidity and its separateness and its substance or its sense of solidity, separateness, and substance.

[00:42:19]And you know, it just isn't like that. And that's not even what manifestation is about anyway, because if you're using it out of resistance, then it's not going to work anyway. Because you're moving from a place of lack. So, what are you going to manifest? Lack.

[00:42:35]>> Yes.

[00:42:36]>> so it's not it can't even be used by the seeking energy even if it wanted to. It tries. It tries very hard. But if it's using it to get from A to B, uh obviously is a dualistic paradigm, but it's it's it's coming from a place of resistance and seeking for something better. So, it's completely misunderstood what manifestation is anyway and then rejected that. It's rejected its own interpretation as to what it thinks manifestation is. So, so it's just becomes another, you know, thing about No, that's not how it is. This is how it is. We, you know, and it's like, well, >> Oh, my goodness.

[00:43:16]>> there's there's only oneness. There is only oneness and that's all that there is and it can appear as play. So, um it's just fascinating. It's fascinating these games that get played.

[00:43:27]Yeah. And the other thing the other thing is the last thing of perhaps, maybe there's more, but the other thing is is that there's this assumption that manifestation techniques like you know, gratitude, the practice of gratitude for example, or the the affirmations and the the the again redistribution of energy um would demand the misconception of a doer. And and that's complete nonsense as well.

[00:43:56]It's very obvious that every word right now is speaking itself. It's very obvious that every gesture is doing itself. There's no one ever doing anything. That paradigm has left. And yet, there still appears to be the decision of redistributing energy to more gratitude, to more love, to more joy, to more peace, because like a sunflower turns towards the sun, it wants to feel that radiance. And bodies human creatures are exactly the same.

[00:44:22]>> Yes, and like that's what we're here for, like good. Of course we're here to, you know, go and that naturally seems to be what happens anyway. Like when that's paradigm, as you said, drops away of like feeling like there's something here moving my hands and like speaking these words, it seems as though the natural evolution of that is to realize that that gap between A and B never existed.

[00:44:47]It never existed. It was always just here, and that fulfillment that you feel from B is here right now. There's no separation. You never had to be something to get to be. The B over already exists, because everything exists. Everything everything already exists now, and it's like there's no gap. There's literally no gap. In my eyes, the moment I wish for something, that fulfillment is already here, and I already have it. There's no gap. There's no sense of seeking for manifestation to happen, because it's as you said, it's already happening. Like it just makes complete sense to me that you know, you're like this literally that analogy is so perfect, cuz I don't I don't understand how people can stay in the whole non-dual realm of like, I don't even think that's non-dual realm.

[00:45:38]I think that's something else of it of its own. I think it's like some sort of dogmatization that's gone on. And I think it's only natural I think it's only natural, because human beings with a mind tends to love to categorize things, to put things into specific words and ways of expression, and like it's the day it's the time-old [ __ ] story of how religions then turn into I don't know if you're if you read the Bible at all?

[00:46:03]>> No. No.

[00:46:04]>> So it's so interesting, right? Cuz when I'm reading the Bible, oh my [ __ ] god, I'm dying from laughter at Jesus because Jesus is so funny.

[00:46:13]Like [laughter] You know how Jesus came here?

[00:46:17]He obviously came here cuz Okay, so I have my I don't know how much time we have. Okay, we have 4 minutes. But um what's it called? So Jesus like it's The way I see Jesus is he came here because he saw Okay, cool. People have completely misperceived this message.

[00:46:33]People have completely misperceived this. Let me come here to try to clear it up a little bit. And what was Jesus's main intention? I need to show them that miracles can happen and that you can create miracles. That's what Jesus's only incentive was was to show us that we have the power as you know, he uses metaphors that was obviously relevant to those times. But um he says like, "I am one with the Father, yet the Father is greater than I." What is that saying? I am one with the thing that creates everything. Yet I do not know its ways.

[00:47:03]I do not know how it, you know, creates all these circumstances that then makes the wine appear, makes thousands of fishes appear in the ocean the moment that I don't see a separation between A and B. Between me as the oneness of this entire thing and the Father who apparently has the power to create absolutely everything including this world right here. So it's like there's no separation at all. Like it seems as though like Jesus, Buddha, all these people, they all were trying to express in a certain way that would match the culture at the time.

[00:47:38]And it feels as as if we're kind of trying to do the same thing. Like trying to express this in a way that matches the culture of our times. And it's like you know, even though um non-duality teachers and stuff say there's no one I'm trying to help, you know, I don't have an intention of helping. Even though they say that, I do feel like this does help. Like it does help to kind of hear this message. Especially the message that you're kind of gravitating towards now, and so am I.

[00:48:05]And Tatiana, I don't actually know much about Tatiana, but you know, is it Is she the woman with the very British accent that speaks in the background of your videos sometimes?

[00:48:15]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:48:17]>> You know, she is amazing. Her insights are so cool.

[00:48:21]>> You two are going to love each other.

[00:48:22]>> Oh, I can't wait. Cuz you know, like I really love her energy like so much cuz she feels so like authentic, like so authentic to herself. And like she's an artist, right?

[00:48:34]>> Mhm.

[00:48:35]>> Yeah, so I think I shared my artwork in the other group chat at some point, and she responded and stuff. And I saw her artwork, and I was like, "Wow, like I don't know. I felt a bond already from that." But like I don't know. I feel like we're here to kind of bridge that gap between A and B, and to show people that fulfillment is here now. Like it's not late. It's not tomorrow. It's literally here now. And yeah, I just can't wait. I really feel ready now.

[00:49:01]Like even though we've only had a hour session, I feel like I'm ready to like start posting on YouTube again.

[00:49:08]I just needed I don't know. I guess I just needed validation of some kind like from you cuz I know that you've also spoken about radical non-duality, and you spoke in that specific way as well.

[00:49:18]But then I guess it made me feel comfortable now that you're speaking like about manifestation that I could I wanted permission somehow. Even though I know I don't need that from you, it felt as if I just wanted like someone to say, "Yes, it's okay." And yeah, you might get some feedback that's not very from the non-duality police, but that's okay.

[00:49:36]Like I just needed someone in the space to tell me that it's okay. [laughter] Like I had a talk with Zavi as well the other day cuz me and him used to know each other. He messaged me on my YouTube channel years ago.

[00:49:49]Um and yeah, it's so interesting the way he expresses now cuz it's very like very very radical non-duality, but he's also very like he he doesn't resist anything I was saying to him or anything I was like speaking about. So, it felt different to how other people might, you know, other people in the radical non-duality space might perceive it, but I don't know. I feel ready now to like this. I feel like I need to just do it and stop caring as well. Like I don't want to be insecure cuz I do have like I've always had insecurity issues, but I don't want to feel like I'm too ugly to post or like I'm too this or of anything. I don't think that's true. And yeah, I want to be brave. I really want to be Oh my god, I feel like we're going to be best friends.

[00:50:32]>> [laughter] >> Me, you, Tatiana, and Ellie.

[00:50:37]>> Oh, it'd be lovely. Yes, I'm so up for that. 100% 100% >> god.

[00:50:43]It's going to be so fun. We can even travel together. And like we can even like, I don't know, do things. That could be so There's so much opportunity, honestly, cuz obviously cuz you're into manifestation as well. I'm sure that you're going to be manifesting some really insane [ __ ] like to do with your career.

[00:51:00]>> [laughter] >> Yeah, man. I'm very excited. Yeah.

[00:51:03]>> Yeah. I'm really excited as well cuz, you know, okay, I we'll cut this session soon cuz I I don't want to hold you for too long.

[00:51:11]But um yeah, like I'm just really excited for more videos that you have like kind of probing these people, like these non-duality people.

[00:51:21]>> Yeah, the the last one got some backlash, I'll tell you.

[00:51:24]>> [laughter] >> Did it?

[00:51:26]>> Just a little bit, not loads, but but it's going to happen. It's going to happen.

[00:51:30]>> Oh, yeah. Also, I I'm telling you right now like I'm going to get so much backlash as well.

[00:51:37]>> [laughter] >> Yeah.

[00:51:39]>> I am not holding back. I am not going to hold back. Like you know, my the video that I got 2.5k views in in 3 days, I think. Like it was like I just uploaded I deleted it on the third day.

[00:51:50]But, it was a video of me I titled it my honest experience of radical non-duality. And I kind of spoke about um the resistance I felt and the non-duality police policing that goes on. And so many people resonated.

[00:52:05]>> Wow.

[00:52:06]>> Over 100 people commented. Just like sharing how much this has helped them.

[00:52:10]Like >> Um when you say you deleted that, is it completely gone ever forever? Oh, that's that's a shame, isn't it? Never mind.

[00:52:19]You can do another one.

[00:52:20]>> I didn't realize you could [ __ ] archive it. So, I just >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:52:26]>> So, I'm never doing that. I'm never going to delete it again. And also, I don't know why, but I feel resistance to like This is going to sound so weird. This is such a niche like issue that I have.

[00:52:37]But, I feel resistance to like looking pretty on my videos. [laughter] I feel like if I look pretty, people going to think I'm like This is obviously my mind, but like people going to think I'm like trying hard or I'm trying to seduce people cuz I had this one [ __ ] guy. He traumatized me. When I was posting first time round, he would upload videos of me and like say like, "Look at her. She's trying to seduce all these men into her shit." Like Do you know that guy? I think he did it to a lot of girls like in this space.

[00:53:11]>> And I've I've seen a few people do that in different ways. Yes. Yeah.

[00:53:17]>> Yeah. And that made me feel like, "Oh, so I can't look pretty. So, I have to look like rugged and like I can't express myself and wear a cute dress or something."

[00:53:25]>> [laughter] >> Right.

[00:53:27]>> When I really want to. I feel like I Yeah, I want to show my most prettiest face like on YouTube. Everyone's going to [ __ ] see that [ __ ] Like, I'm a girly girl. I want to [ __ ] look gorgeous.

[00:53:37]>> [laughter] >> Like >> Yeah, what This is what happens, you You whenever you go on the internet, isn't it? You're going to you're going to get something or other.

[00:53:45]Yeah. Mhm.

[00:53:46]Ditto.

[00:53:48]>> Aw.

[00:53:49]>> [laughter] >> Well, I'm stru- I'm clearly struggling to get off the call here cuz this is so much fun. This is so lovely.

[00:53:55]>> Oh, you know what? I'll help you. And I'll >> [laughter] >> I'll leave the call.

[00:53:59]>> Okay.

[00:54:01]>> Oh, Ellie's a Libra. Just a side note.

[00:54:04]>> Libra. All right.

[00:54:06]>> I'll tell you more about it when I see you.

[00:54:07]>> Yeah. Yeah, I look forward to that.

[00:54:10]Okay. Lots of love and uh yeah, let's hang out again soon.

[00:54:13]>> you my channel.

[00:54:15]>> Yes, please. Please. Check that out.

[00:54:18]>> Bye-bye. Have a lovely day. Love you so much. Bye.

[00:54:21]>> Love you, sweetheart. I'll see you soon.

[00:54:24]>> See you soon.