The Emacs News platform is maintained through a systematic content curation process where contributors aggregate Emacs-related news from multiple sources (Hacker News, Lobsters, Mastodon), organize items into categories (writing, fonts, community, AI, coding, etc.), and publish weekly updates to keep the Emacs community informed about new packages, features, events, and discussions.
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Yay Emacs 31 livestream: Working on Emacs NewsAdded:
Hello everyone. This is Yay Emacs 31 where I will just keep working on Emacs news.
So let's get started. Um I've already removed the duplicates. So now if I just want to start with organizing things into different categories and I think I've got everything set up.
Let's go see what is on our list today. Refining or mode deadlines. Definitely an oro thing.
Yes. Uh what is this art of not not asking why isn't it isn't uh Emacs thing. Uh so here I need to change this to there's no title.
What is Harvard? This is writing I think.
Okay. What?
Okay.
Checking grammar with Harper.
All right.
And yep, that's fine.
So, let's put that under writing.
Fonts and type setters.
Latte versus tough for type setting.
Huh.
We'll keep that off uh for now. I think uh appearance. Okay.
Um Is this an email? It's definitely in community. We We'll just put it in community, I think.
Here we go. And he says there's a companion blog post. So, let's include that as a link, too.
All right.
thumb keys. Yep.
Oh, I have a I have a shortcut for dealing with Yes, there you go.
Okay, that's really done.
Taming Emacs cache configuration.
Jeff says, "Thanks for the reminder to schedule an SF meetup and I'm glad to see that Jeff you have figured out how to get your display name to be your display name. So yes uh if that's this week let me know and I can regenerate my list of events that are coming up. So once you put it in your meetup or other calendar source then I can uh I can redo my Emacs calendar thing.
Uh that is not even emac.
Okay. BP edit. Yeah we don't really mind. Uh this is a minor thing I think minor change. I don't usually include minor changes.
Oh well the first release of uh this on alpa but I include that um in the uh in this list of new packages here and I've actually already sent the email to announce it to infog new sources. No infog sources. Anyway, one of those mail lists has um has an announcement in it. Tag refri. What is tag refri? Tagraph can now be used with or mode files.
That looks interesting, huh? You can annotate code or text in any file with a tag inside a comment and then you can refer to it.
That looks interesting.
Jeff says, "So many so many attend Emacs San Francisco because they read my blog.
Yay." Yeah, I it it's it's just so useful to be able to point to interesting events that are happening and say, "Hey, this thing is happening.
Where else are we going to find it?"
Right? Anyway, so Emacs Calendar does have an iical that people can subscribe to. And of course, people can subscribe to meetups directly. Then there's Emacs News, which I try to update every week.
So far, actually been very good at updating it every week.
All right. So, what is this thing that allows you to do?
Ah.
Huh. File relative name hacks around it.
Interestingly, cool.
Huh.
Okay, this sounds interesting. I I'm not quite ready to take advantage of it, but other people might. That's the tagraph stuff.
Okay, pop the mark a little bit.
What is the pop the mark that lets me repeat it? It's not control X. Oh, it is control XP. Okay, let's use that instead.
Okay, here we go. Emac chat with Ron Cycler. Uh, support footnote inline displaying and navigation. This is a request feature request.
Sure. Apparent may recommend using your thumbs. This is kind of maybe like in an other category. E, as that's not it.
That is definitely not the post for that one.
Huh. Okay.
All right. Let's put that over here. So I will include that as a comment on the previous blog post and I'm reexporting the old blog post so that if people come across it in the archives they will find the link there.
Okay, here we go. Uh that the inkwell does look like a pretty RSS reader. I don't do my RSS reading in Emacs. I tend to do it on my iPad with Ned I want to say like Net NewsWire or something like that just because it's something that I can then do when I'm away from my computer.
But when I do that, I do miss all of my lovely or capture stuff. So, uh, maybe I just need to figure out how to get my Emacs experience to be accessible from either my phone or my my tablet.
Anyway, pretty pretty things. Sure, that's also nice.
Anyhow, skip this one.
Language agnostic and ripple client for Emacs.
Neat.
Literally neat. That sounds interesting.
What does it do? It allows you to build stuff.
Huh.
Okay. Well, we'll put out encoding and then people can figure out how to use it for whatever language they've got. That is the note. Uh is there like uh dear red focus blink previews link? Okay, I'll just just let people read that. Next, GitHub PR coding. That's nice. You can just keep going.
Uh, marking recently modified files in Jed.
Yep, that's there.
Jira integration.
Yeah. Okay. Coding marking today's files into that's actually that is actually really useful.
I often find myself with a number of files that I've just downloaded for example. So this this looks like it might be helpful.
Well, as I'm learning, I should just copy it now.
so that I have it.
I'm with my my Emacs configuration is an or mode file. So I can browse it sometimes browse it um and jump around to different sections and then I can just add this to the top here uh mark today's files or other recent files and this needs to go in Uh, Sasha, no. Lisp Tangle Tangle Lisp Sasha Darrett.
And I want it to be an autoload.
And we're just going to mark that this is different. I mean, this is this is not a standard function, otherwise I'll get very confused.
And then we'll add the link there.
Oh. And I want to split this of course.
So this is when with the file after load here the dar red and this is now a different name and that is not in a this one this part goes into my config. All right.
And I want to of course include a link because or allows us to have links except of course uh this server takes a while. So I'm just going to type the um the link text in and leave working today's files in Okay.
All right. Oops. Where am I?
Um, yeah. D it. Let's make this Oh, that's a Reddit link. I like to I like to actually change this to the repository link.
And we want to say feedback instead of that.
Uh this one is past tense.
So let's change it. This is now just the Reddit link and this is the actual page.
And how long was this?
>> Add 1 minute and no sorry 1 hour and 12 minutes and 40 seconds.
Man, that's definitely coding.
Setting line number type to visual fixes relative jumping and wrapped lines.
Okay.
Community after magic.
Oh, don't I have this?
I do have this. Okay.
All right. We'll just uh export that again.
I should probably increase my standard font size for the web browser as well.
Now, where were we?
Extra Grove is an obsidian like note takingaking is a note taking mode.
All right.
It is.
Is it orc based?
Yeah. Or not. Okay.
He's like, "Are you just did this without any intention of sharing the actual code?" Maybe someone just forgot the URL. I don't know. Let's go find out. Uh, nope. Yeah, the person is like, "The whole workflow is about 80 lines of elism in my config.
Where's the config?" I'm going to leave that until it shows up.
Is has you mentioned this red X?
No, we have not yet mentioned this thing.
Okay, live preview.
Okay, that's Reddit. That's that one.
And let's include the name of it so people who have already checked it out don't have to click through again. Writing. It's kind of math. We'll put it under math.
And this probably means kid stars.
Uh, the code is in here. So there's no getting around linking to Reddit small write up of Git blaming coding Emacs client lighted in Gemini CL CLI and Y will contribute to non non false projects again. Yeah, they added it and then uh and then Google discontinued Gemini CLI for Pro.
I guess I can put that in the AI category.
This one, didn't I put that in the Okay, well, I'll just I'll duplicate it properly later. Vertical carousel. Let's add the link to the repository directly and stick it in completion. Yes.
Uh feedback wanted.
Um help wanted I guess completion. What is this? Also completion.
Yes.
Caffeinate mode. Prevent your system from sleeping using the native power assertion API in Emacs 31 plus. All right. Um, yeah. I recommend thinking of Emacs as your fortress of solitude motivational quotes and kind of starting point of things.
community. I guess I appreciate the time that people take to adapt their their uh their personal stuff so that they can share their workflow with realistic looking data.
Six possible secure. Oh, actually is that was that thing more to workflow or an other thing?
I guess I can I can leave it in community possible security layer for Emacs.
What do people think about it?
use package X.
Is this Oh, yeah. I think it's listed there. So, I can probably just take this and stick that in there.
Made a copy of that one.
I feel like took language to look at money.
What do you mean by money?
>> Add to listure and stuff. Okay. Okay. All right. Uh I'll just put that in other plan. You can do what agenda mail and community. All right. There's some duplicate links, but I'll get to that soon. Next up, check all of the check a bunch of other places for info.
Oh, actually massedon gets handled in by measedon. Inside enex because why not?
So, let me check take a look at all the other ones first.
Is there like a v video?
What is this? I don't understand.
Does it does it come with narration or anything?
What does it mean?
Okay.
Is there I I don't know that like there's colder details.
So, we're saying that this could get feedback, right?
That there can really click There we go. Okay. All right. Where are we?
Emac London place.
Omar has replaced outline minor modes.
uh key bindings uh with embark makes sense.
Does does this person know? Okay, I'm I'm going to I'm going to find it when I go to meason. Probably someone there has already told them about or capture.
Oh, okay. I got to this part already.
All right. Uh, how about hacking news?
I3 and Emacs integration. Okay.
Concerning Emacs and Jazz. Interesting.
All right, let's take a look.
I3 is a window manager, I think.
There you go.
Okay.
I3 is a window manager.
Emacs and Jazz, Huh. Um, we should probably tell them about the placeholder uh mode.
There is a better way to do this. Let's go see. Okay.
I feel like this is kind of a community.
Uh, okay. Uh, Jeff has updated the Emacs San Francisco one. So I will rerun my script very shortly.
Cons. I just need to finish this task concerning Emacs and Jazz.
And I need to send like an easy way to send this person a comment.
Haha, there is.
I'm a little scared to click on it. Uh because I'm not entirely sure I've gotten my email thing set up.
your recent blog post placeholders and placeholders regarding okay let's see answer Oh, I'm going place holder.
Here we go.
I wonder if something like this might be a good fit for that place part of your workflow.
those cons.
All right. Uh, what does it do? You change it. Delete the placeholder. Yep.
Customize placeholder string.
can customize.
Thanks for sharing your notes.
Okay, so now that that's done, I can do the calendar thing and let's see if we can pick up the new meetup.
Unsurprisingly, my process for generating my Emacs calendar upcoming events thing is also um Emacs based.
See, Emacs Paris is having some weirdness. Ha, look, there it is. There it is. Emacs SF in person, coffee. and other things coming up. Update.
Yes.
Okay. So, is that the only one that's that's been added?
If so, I can just copy and paste it in.
Look at that. Okay. There you go.
It's been added. It's in person, so we don't generate a gazillion timestamps for it.
Yep. Perfect.
Then it's going to be in that.
Okay. Where was I? H I was copying things from hacker news from Emacs agents. Uh I thought about that.
I guess I can include it under the community, you know, like the way that I included um is it Chris Wallins?
Yeah, when he was like, you know, not opening Emacs that often now. So, it happens with people and that's okay.
People come to Emacs, people leave Emacs for other things.
I personally would rather like if I if I want to experiment with AI, I want to experiment with it from Emacs just because I like to have things uh still be custom fit to me.
And this one says whenever, you know, he says when when I need an UI uh when I need a UI visual output, you know, just create a throwaway web interface for it.
And that's cool, too.
We'll see. We'll see. There's been lots of people leaving for various things over many many years and lots of people coming back. Sometimes when the plug has been pulled and the other thing that they were very very keen on yet Emacs continues to be around the max community continues to be totally awesome. So we'll see. Okay. What is this me M meshtastic thing? Mashtastic.
All right, I already have a link to that one.
Let's combine these.
So, this is YouTube.
and a little bit of the hacker news is just the author at the moment. So, it's not much conversation, but I will include it anyway.
Uh oh, good. There's another another comment from this person uh about the um what's so special about Emacs video. It's eight minutes, so it's very short.
Maybe it's maybe I should include it again. We'll see.
It's okay. I'll wait for this to finish ex uh finish exporting.
All right, Ergo. Uh no, this is uh E that thing about E. Okay, that is that is not it. Here we go. That is it.
And hyper poly lisp.
Tell me about what is this? Is this a code thing?
Ah, sidebyside comparisons. Gotcha.
Is that coing maybe or Emacs list? Put it in the Emacs list. Oh, we actually don't even have an Emacs list category at the moment, do we? How about I sort this list and then usually Emacs list is near the top.
Oh, do I have the wrong I had the wrong one.
I don't even have a link to this.
I need to drink some water. Why is my pasting not doing the pasty thing? Okay.
Okay, that is not what I expect. I expect that if I press Ctrl C on this it should paste but it is not pasting. Am I doing something weird with my selection? Something X select.
What is what's going on when I paste?
Okay, I can middle click to paste. I will do that for now and I will come back and fiddle with this later.
Figure out what happened to my pasting into Emacs har uh patterns.
Yeah, already got that. Okay, so that's all good. Uh that was hacker news. We've got lobsters. Sometimes interesting discussions show up in lobsters.
Okay.
No comments. Emacs after magic.
What? It's It did the thing again. Okay.
Fine. Fine.
Lobsters. Okay, let's double check that this actually works in something else. Can I copy paste? Shift insert. No. Can I copy paste?
Shift insert into a different application works. So maybe there was that that thing about the X save selection something of the sort selection primary.
Okay. Emacs doesn't paste unless I shift in middle click.
All right. Has something happened to my select enable primary?
Why is this okay? Well, let's set that.
Uh, now does it work?
Yes, now it works.
Select enable.
That's weird.
Set. Set up. Select. Enable primary T.
That's okay. We just fix it. It's fine.
Okay. Lobsters. Lobsters. Lobsters.
Where was I?
Hyper polyglotless. Okay. Let's link to that again.
Hyper polylotless.
Yeah, now it's working. Good. Good.
Good.
And the E one is there.
I think I already have this one. Yes, I do.
Excellent.
Okay. Um, so that's lobsters. Usually the other small Reddit type things uh are not very active, but I will check them anyway just in case.
I am human. I verify myself and yep.
Anything about this? Not particularly.
All right. To the fun stuff. We get to go through Madon.
Madon.
So, if this goes right, it should check a bunch of servers for the Emacs hashtag and display a combined timeline with all of the stuff.
Yeah, it's retrieving it now.
All right, here we go.
Maybe I can make this a little bit wider.
Okay, Manette is getting ready for uh wow has been very productive. Uh Led 4 is going to be a big release. 448 commits by 17 developers.
175 issues have been closed and 18 pull requests have been merged. Very awesome.
Compile in toolbox notes.
How do I using TR to compile in toolbox?
Yeah.
Oh, James has shared his config.
I am looking forward to reading it.
That's interesting. How do I do that? Is that a thing that Emac client can do?
Uh, VIP.
What is VIP?
It It turns the standard in, standard out thing into a file.
How does it work?
What?
All right. All right.
I like that. I will see if I can install it.
Right.
I can app catch cach show more utils. Is it in? Oh, it is. Okay.
Very excit. Okay. Okay. So, apt install more utils.
What? What?
Okay. Chronic runs a command quietly unless it fails. Combine lines in two files. Error. No. If data Okay. If interesting.
Not do misspipe.
Parallel. Oh yeah. I've used parallel before I think. P standard input to pipes. Sponge. Soak up standard input and write to a file. Don't you just like redirect it to a thing?
TS timestamps. That's useful. Uh time standard input vider. I just use it for that. But this insert the text editor into a pipe. Could be interesting. Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool.
Next. Next. Next.
Is there like not very obvious what this is?
mess it on fire Em. Yes.
Oh, what is this?
I do. I have this yeti.
No, I do not.
Okay. What is What do I link to here? I link to this one, I think. Right.
Did you know that there is already an HTTP server inside Emacs?
How is this different?
Aside from being it feels vioded, doesn't it?
I don't know. Maybe it doesn't.
Has anyone commented?
I can always say scene.
By the way, have you come across the HTTP package uh index.
Actually, it's simple HTTPD.
Um, no, it's okay. I don't we don't need to suggest that sometimes it's hard for people to um read and and integrate other people's code anyway.
Okay, we'll just include it.
Is there an actual mention of Emacs in here or is it just hashtag Oh yeah. Okay. That's just a link.
In addition to what above I search, someone's got this I search uh white space tip already.
All All right, let's include that.
That's nice. Second in the category.
Can't play. What?
How fun configuring it is is.
How much Emac is in this one?
more of a window manager thing, I think.
But do I have this person's other blog posts?
Oh, yeah. Okay, I have some probably.
All right, then.
I led that one already.
only halfway through.
Wow.
Okay, do this.
Emacs, stenography, and having a hyper modifier key. Uh, I have Emacs. I want to get back into stenography or get into it in the first place. Uh, and I use a super one fire key. So, yes. Yes.
It's a surprisingly large number of people who are interested in these things. Something about wanting more key bindings too, right?
I think I had that one already.
Yeah.
Tell me about this one.
Yeah, it's a good idea.
Where's the conversation?
That's fine.
Was there an update on this? I think I posted some Yeah. Okay. No update. I just posted the code.
Oh, hey, look how you reached the end of it.
Okay, stretch.
That seems shorter than Is that really all I saved?
Feel like feel like I must have posted more.
news.
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, let's let's go through it methodically here.
Oh, wait. I'm in the wrong I'm in the wrong file here.
So, that's there.
And I'm here. Okay, we've got up. Yeah.
And looking closer. MCP server build a blob.
James's config. Mhm.
Oh, maybe I did only save that many things. I feel like usually I have a lot more things saved from Mastadon.
Oh well, if not this week than next week.
Tra Emacs configuration or mode AI more AI and community.
Okay, then I'm going to take my frame off. green. Check the mail.
Look on the fell.
I need to reply to this find. I need to tweak my fine user init file patch, but it doesn't like it looks like it's generally a good idea. So, we just need to shape it a little nicely and maybe figure out the sh warning if it's it's shadowing something.
Uh oh, here. Let's let's include a link to that one for sure.
Except for me not much search and region.
Okay, those are the links from Andress Ramirez.
Okay.
All right. Here we go.
Sorry.
Did Emville not have anything really or did I just not do it correctly?
Let me double check that.
In the meantime, I did actually already include these links.
So this here is the uh and it's the p primary discussion for it. So oh wait this is the uh yeah it's My my git log is not doing the thing. Okay, I might have to manually do that.
Okay, Ela homepage redesign and this is an emac discussion.
And somewhere here there's going to be an emac development thread.
Why braces instead of casts?
There's a lot of betting indeed.
Okay. Well, reasonable. Um, okay. What's going on with git log? Why am I not getting the most recent changes?
So, I have something that lists the recent git log updates and it does that when I use the git symbol in that list.
So this insert emac news from git should do the thing. Get pull git log.
Oh, maybe there's nothing in it that modifies it.
Ah, yes. Yes, I think that's what happened.
Yep. There's nothing in the last week that touches etc news. Okay, not panicking.
So then we just have to sort this and then I'm done for now. Let's go see this is the same as that. We can just keep one of them. Sure. Let's keep the one with the name on it.
This is the same.
That's slightly more general than the other one. Navigation trim to red writing denote or mode.
Um I I put trap near navigation. That's why. Okay. Okay. It's fine. I don't need to sort things.
to change that sorting order. Okay.
Future request.
This is public uh publishing agenda. This is work room.
Okay. And everything else is like import export and integration.
It's fine. Sometimes I I actually put in I feel like tagraph is okay. I'll just leave that alone. I don't have to overthink it. Custom completion style vertical carousel. All right. So far so good. Everything related to version control together.
More general things first, more specific things after.
Okay.
Away from Enex for now.
live. Oh, this is the same as that. So, let's just collapse these two.
Okay. Um event development other again do not overthink the things. All right. Uh What do I do to publish this?
Right, I export the sub tree. Step one.
Step two, I say my Oh, oh, I have to write the paragraph first because some people like having a paragraph up front highlighting the most interesting thing.
What is the most interesting thing I want to include?
I don't know. Can Nothing's really jumping out at me. It's as something that I want to do right now. Although that the thing with the organ work, I want to try that with my own config.
I don't know, folks.
I know what to write. I don't want I don't know what to write here. Um, in the past I kind of sometimes have called out interesting.
Oh. Oh, you know what I should do also is I should double check the uh Emacs Carnival thing for posts that have not yet been linked.
Where is this? Okay, here we go. Posts using your thoughts for zone. Okay.
Okay, that's that's actually all in there for now.
Lots of people. This is great. And you know what else is um we need to tell the next person to host things. Okay, Greg Newan is hosted. Rules has hosted Ross.
Okay, we're gonna we're going to nudge Ross to host.
Yes. Okay, that's what we're going to do.
I'll do that separately.
And that's okay. That's fine. Uh yeah, brain cannot think of an introductory paragraph.
Do you all have ideas for what to do?
What am I getting highlight here?
Well, I I did actually like this um the code cleanup thing here. Uh it's in the AI category here and I liked the cool clean up before and after.
like to see before and after slippets in the rain.
It's kind of like That was pretty interesting.
See the piness I just like also spoiler.
Humans are right.
People write nice.
I like the So looking closer quadrated uh list codes right magic code and what else do I want? Is there anything else I want to highlight here?
Maybe this one.
Oh, it's not doing the scrolling thingy, dude.
I think out of sheer.
Do not make me use your scroll bar.
I'm expecting spaces and never mind.
Can't read it.
Okay, fine. Fine. I'm going to be patient. I'm going to see if is do I have Oh, you know what? I'm going to use E. Here we go. Ew.
All right. Here we go. Much better.
Also, I've been meaning to try remark, so it was nice.
Never mind. I'll just We'll just go with this. Okay.
Keep it short. Get out of the way.
People can go enjoy the news on their own and form their own opinions.
Yeah.
All right. So, that's exported. And if I copy just this post, you all can take a look at it if you like.
There you go. You can have your sneak preview. Oh, wait.
It is not actually the one. Why isn't it the one yet? It's my It's my thing that generates the thing.
Okay, it is slowly processing it. My static site generator is not super fast because I'm trying to make it do many things. Now it generates pages in 16 seconds which probably be could be or optimized especially since this is a subset of my posts. Uh if I generate the entire site, which I'm about to do, so that it shows up on my homepage and my RSS feeds and everything, then it takes several minutes, which again, I mean, I have thousands of posts and I'm probably doing complicated things with its, you know, category specific RSS feeds and and pages. Anyway, um here we are posted that. The next step is I need to add the U. Oh, I need to share it. Share it. Okay, that's what I do. So, this sets up the email, commits it to various repositories.
There's actually an Emac news. This actually Emacs News, I think, package.
Uh, huh. I need to look into the refs there.
Why can't I not push it? Oh, yeah, I could push it. talking about push elsewhere.
So that's been shared. And then the last thing is to add things to um Emacs TV.
Emacs.tv has a bunch of uh videos. Sometimes I'm actually consentious enough to tag them so that people can find things again.
I'm a little sleepy. I've been staying up late playing Stardw Valley because uh I started playing with Tileman Reworked mod, which basically makes it so that you cannot go places on your farm unless you pay for them. That's because the kiddo has been watching this streamer play this tile lock star valley tile lock valley thing uh which is the same idea possibly even implemented with the same mod and I I like these like re resource constraint variants of games because they force you to be very very focused uh and it you really feel the progression when you're like okay I'm stuck doing a tree farm because that's all I can do and start with a small tree farm because that's all you unlock and then as you get more money you can make something bigger and bigger and I finally got access to the general store recently so that I can get seeds and I've made it way to ma made my way to summer uh anyway. Oh, okay. Okay, it's done now.
So now I have blueberries growing but I do not have enough fiber. Uh like I can't harvest enough fiber from the the plants. So I am limited to 15 crops.
Anyhow, star value, right?
I'm guessing that's hoping that's male community.
Anyhow, and my small improvement over here was now I have a button in the or file itself that does the update for me.
And I think that's all I needed to do Emacs News today. Fantastic. Um, a little over an hour and a half today.
Well, around an hour and a half. A little over an hour, less than an hour and a half. Reasonable. And I picked up an interesting new tool called VIP, which is like pipe but vi although it actually just calls your editor. So if you use Emacs client as your editor var uh in in your editor variable or visual variable maybe then you can put your editor in the pipeline instead of having to save to a temporary file and then open the file and then continue. So that seems interesting and I should keep an eye out for when I can use it that way.
Anyhow, thank you all for hanging out with me. I will probably see y'all tomorrow. Oh yeah, Thursday. Oh, Thursday. Thursday.
Uh, Thursday I'm going to have another session and pro talk Emx at about 10:30 Eastern usual time as usual as these things go. And we will probably uh riff a bit more on this May I recommend theme that I picked for the Emacs Carnival for May. So I I want to pick Spain about recommendations. I mean, he's got his his default um things that he's just suggested, but also other recommendations, right? Uh just this whole list of uh tips maybe for people who are further along in the Emacs journey or getting into Emacs list or whatever else. So that's Thursday. And then on Friday, I get to talk to Omar Antalin uh about well, everyone likes to talk to Omar about Embark, it seems. Uh but I'm also really curious about this how this whole collaboration with uh Daniel Mendler uh uh started. is working out and and this how to develop this EMAC intuition uh and uh and things like that. It's pretty unusual to uh to have written a package that fits well with the way other people think. Uh so I'm I'm very curious about how uh how people can develop that kind of understanding, you know, what what does the beginning look like of of a of a package ecosystem like that? Anyway, so that's that's Friday and he's agreed to do it as a live stream, so that'll be cool, too. Uh I will probably sign off and um and see you all possibly tomorrow, possibly on Thursday, maybe Wednesday. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Uh uh anyway, thank
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