VOR Fumbles Badly on Human Ancestors

Added: 2026-05-17

[00:00:00][music] [music] >> They're right about both things.

[00:00:12]Um What do you want What do you want to talk about next cuz I've picked every topic.

[00:00:18]>> Yeah, I want to I How much time do we have? 10 minutes? 5 minutes?

[00:00:22]Uh about 15.

[00:00:24]Okay. Um so the biblical creation account so far we've covered fully formed universe versus expanding. We've covered humans are separate and distinct from the animals. You got a point with Homo erectus, but we are argue I argue very different than the animal kingdom. You know, we're the only We're on Tik Tok arguing how we get here and building rockets and going into space. And most of the animals aren't thinking those kind of things. So, we have we Maybe the physiology is similar, but our conscious is clearly different and to me there's no good evolutionary explanation why our brains evolved to bigger or something. Like wouldn't that always be an advantage? That did to me the consciousness difference between humans and the other eight animals shows that there's something different.

[00:01:03]And so, again, I'm I'm arguing that the evidence better fits this. And if common ancestry is true, we should be like them. We shouldn't be so separate and distinct. I don't think.

[00:01:12]Well, except if evolution were true, then because we're the most modern organism, we would be the most um extreme example of a particular trait that is shared within our within our group. And if you want to point to intellect, then yeah, like we would be the most extreme. What you should What you would expect to see then is you know, if we pick a our intellect isn't exactly a phenotype.

[00:01:38]You can't exactly see it.

[00:01:40]Right. But like if we pick something like our gargantuan brains, right? Um we definitely have a transition of smaller brain cases, more upright posture leading to us. So, like we we have evidence consistent with that. For this intellect thing we should see that. And we do. Like Homo habilis, it's called it that name means handyman because we now understand that it had a toolkit. Um I don't know if that one specifically is part of the Oldowan or if the Oldowan toolkit was used by that by Homo habilis or not, I don't remember. But Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and Neanderthals all did that kind of thing. Uh not to the level that we can, and I think that there actually are it actually pretty convincing um and really not super complicated explanations for how we got to where we are.

[00:02:32]But no, we actually do see a gradual progression from uh more kind of primitive types of tool use and perhaps even abstract thinking all the way to where we are.

[00:02:46]Yeah, maybe he had tools, and they had tools, and then they built the pyramids.

[00:02:51]And there's no there's no transitional, you know, evidence between tool man and the pyramids. So, how whatever that mystery is. I And when I was a kid, it was like, "Oh, how are we building these pyramids?

[00:03:02]It's really wild." cuz I believed that I was told evolution, I don't know if I ever believed it, but I was like, "Oh, according to evolution, we were like cavemen, and we were we're getting smarter, and then we build these pyramids, but how how are they so advanced?" So, I would think that tool man habilis um doesn't really move the needle for me when there's no good chain of custody, evolutionarily speaking, for this the evolution of our technological advancement. And And then here we are building these really advanced things at >> habilis Homo habilis at its time was the most intellectually advanced creature on the planet and was probably not the only tool maker, but the most sophisticated tool maker. And then Homo erectus took that farther, and then us and Neanderthals existed at the same time, but we took it farther than they did because we're we're different in a certain type of way. I don't believe >> that at all. I don't I mean obviously I don't believe this story, but like what what did you guys find I'm not I'm not going to like ask you to provide the evidence, but I I don't I doubt that the evidence supports that story you just told. Like I doubt it. I don't even know what you'd be seeing from millions of years ago.

[00:04:07]It's like oh he was the dominant guy and he had tools.

[00:04:09]>> So are you just denying that Homo habilis used tools?

[00:04:14]I am going to go ahead and just deny the whole story you just said. Maybe they have tools. Sure they had tools. I whatever Well you should look up the you should read about the Oldowan tool set.

[00:04:23]I don't remember all of the details off the top of my head, but it goes back a few million years.

[00:04:29]>> holding his [ __ ] Sears tool set like in his fossilized position?

[00:04:33]No the Oldowan I mean for the most part it's just um it's a let's see.

[00:04:43]Yeah so like they literally made I was trying AI generated fossil with like No this isn't Well this this is AI, but these are pictures pulled from Google, but the Oldowan tool set includes I I didn't know off the top of my head. I was like it's not just rock hammers is it? But no it actually has like these are like that's not really an arrowhead. Um it's not a flint knife like what you would associate with a Native American or something. But these tools are used for doing things like processing kills or processing maybe like like fibers to make to make material like Orangutans make beds.

[00:05:22]>> Yeah I see sewing machine and a saw and a power drill. Yeah. No you wouldn't expect to you wouldn't expect to see that uh because they're more primitive than we are, but we have the stepping stones for it.

[00:05:35]But what But you know what's crazy about Homo habilis was using those tools. Like I just again I don't believe the story. In my bias I'm I have a hard time imagining that Well they're actually using a they're using a watchmaker argument for it actually because those tools they have very strong arguments like statistical arguments but also they can analyze like what's on them like that you can find animal blood probably and stuff like that on a lot of them but they look at that and they say this is obviously the the work of a creator funny enough.

[00:06:08]>> Well yeah, things that look designed are usually designed by something. Yeah, so then they're tools they're tools that Something well with a conscious mind built those tools. They do seem like they were fashioned and again when we go to the argument of something >> you said I'm going to go ahead and doubt the entire thing.

[00:06:27]Well yeah, because my at this moment with this new evidence that we're talking about I am skeptical that we confirm that these tools were built by Homo habilis.

[00:06:37]I don't know I can't even imagine what evidence would compel me to believe that. What Well they're dated to the period of Homo habilis and in the same location.

[00:06:49]I know what you do is you find Yeah, but you can date well you wouldn't be able to use charcoal for this case but oh you can use do is date nearby in this case you'd have to use igneous material.

[00:07:00]>> we found out that those tools were found close to surface level?

[00:07:04]Would that shoot the whole argument to [ __ ] if if we found that Homo habilis tools were Things on the surface can be millions of years old. That's how we that's the only way we find fossils for the most part.

[00:07:17]Cuz they're at or very near the surface.

[00:07:25]Well because erosion happens.

[00:07:28]It but the thing that eroded is gone.

[00:07:30]You don't see it. You just know that it's the layer still even though it's at the surface cuz something was there that disappeared.

[00:07:37]Essentially, yeah. I mean like we just know for a fact that erosion happens. I mean, go go to any desert and look at the rock formations and what you can see is the rocks at the top most of what's around them is is worn away. I mean, we just we know that erosion happens. But, the other thing about my alarm just went off, so I have to go in like 2 minutes here, but I actually Yeah, I got my time all screwed up. I was thinking I had until about 4:20. I don't have that long.

[00:08:07]But, the thing about >> you doing at 4:20? Just kidding.

[00:08:09]>> [laughter] >> That's funny.

[00:08:12]It's 8:00 here and the sun's been down for 3 hours. It doesn't 4:00 doesn't seem like we're on the same earth at this point, but you know. Funny. Yeah, West Coast, Best Coast. But, the the thing you like the thing you say about humans and the the intellect about humans and like, "Oh, I didn't see any sewing machines." It's like, you know who else didn't have a sewing machine?

[00:08:31]Uh uh Adam, Abraham, >> True. Moses, Noah, >> Jesus. Uh so, therefore, apparently, we're actually not as into it We're not the intellectual powerhouse you think we are.

[00:08:45]Uh what's very weird, and everybody does this.

[00:08:50]Um this isn't like a creationist thing.

[00:08:53]Um Well, not everybody does this, but people give credit to the human race for the accomplishments of the smartest.001% of our people that ever lived or whatever.

[00:09:07]If if the million smartest people who ever lived uh never did live, where would we be? I think we would be nowhere We'd be like in the Bronze Age, I believe. Because we only progress through the accumulation uh of knowledge and and building upon it, but the vast majority of people don't ever contribute to that, and they just for whatever reason don't end up being lucky enough or having the inspiration or the training or the intelligence uh to add to what we're doing. So, yeah, we spent the vast majority of our time uh using rock tools and then we graduated to uh some bronze and then we graduated to some iron. But like just take the gap between the iron age and the Industrial Revolution and look at how much time that is. It's like what were we waiting for? There is no reason, if we are as smart as the creationists are telling us we are, there's no reason that Jesus couldn't have had a Bugatti.

[00:10:10]There There's no reason. Uh I think a naturalistic explanation does a lot more for that. But I'll give you like I think that I'll give you like a minute, but I really really have to go.

[00:10:21]>> The defeater for that to me is the the pyramids and the other highly advanced things that we see that don't fit the the the slow evolutionary process. Now, if there wasn't something like the pyramids and it and we did just go from these, you know, Homo habilis tools to slightly better tools, slightly better tools, and then, you know, the Industrial Revolution and this thing is gradual move. But we don't see that. We see this huge spike uh of this advancement. So, and what science says the reason for this is is agriculture.

[00:10:48]We didn't do agriculture. We were just just spending all of our resources hunting and gathering. The evidence They have sparse evidence to support that idea. There's a dearth of evidence for that. Um but then we figured out agriculture and then we hit the hit the ground running. But anyways, um let's do let's I I would love to have a longer discussion with you at some point. Um I don't know. We could text about it or or just try to set it up cuz we have way more to talk about and we never have enough time.

[00:11:12]Uh yeah, sounds good to me. I will catch you on the flippity flap.

[00:11:17]>> I'm just saying, if humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

[00:11:21]You can't have an atmosphere next to a vacuum. The Big Bang violates the second law of thermodynamics. Everything that's created requires a creator. Show me curvature. There are no missing links.

[00:11:31]Evolution has never been observed. The earth is only 6,000 years old.

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