RACE WAR! Dart vs Carter | IN MY DM'S | Ep20

Added: 2026-06-08

[00:00:00]I didn't say you, I just said I've read comments like that.

[00:00:02]>> Yeah, I haven't been paying attention, but >> I have. I've been going on a lot of pages.

[00:00:07]>> I had a Well, hello.

[00:00:10]Welcome.

[00:00:11]>> Derrick's back from vacation.

[00:00:12]>> I am. Thank you, Larry, for holding it down. You guys had a great show last week and I really appreciate what you did. Great views. While we're talking about it, please take the time, like, and subscribe.

[00:00:23]>> All credit I give all credit to Larry.

[00:00:25]He's just so [ __ ] charming.

[00:00:27]>> He's got a big following, for sure. And he is charming.

[00:00:29]>> He is, yeah.

[00:00:31]>> He's a lovable guy.

[00:00:32]>> Yeah, we went and had a dinner afterwards and >> I bet.

[00:00:35]>> he he uh he shared his wealth of knowledge.

[00:00:39]>> Mhm.

[00:00:40]With his cigarettes and all.

[00:00:41]>> He is is a good friend of mine. He's been a good good friend of mine since we were middle school. He's a good dude.

[00:00:47]I appreciate him stepping in and and filling in for your absence. Where you Where did you go exactly?

[00:00:53]>> I don't remember. Oh, yeah, that was here I was here. I was at Sesame Place in San Diego.

[00:00:58]>> Okay.

[00:00:59]>> So, me and my wife and 2 and 1/2 year old went down and checked out Elmo and Big Bird and Bert and Ernie.

[00:01:07]>> Would you recommend that for adults?

[00:01:09]>> Mhm. If you go in the summer and are planning on just to do the water park part, yes, it is so geared at toddlers that it's not really for adults unless you're exper- because it's an old water park and they converted into >> Quan could not go there because like earlier he was trying to date and he was at Pistol Pete's.

[00:01:29]>> He could go there. It's a target rich environment.

[00:01:31]>> Um but there's children, you feel me?

[00:01:34]>> Sure. I mean, if you're trying to actually get it on while you're there or get it in while you're there, no. But if you're looking to lay the foundation and plant some seeds and, you know, >> I don't think you understand what >> go to the farmers market and take some home with you, yeah, it's a great spot for >> I'm talking Epstein type [ __ ] here.

[00:01:50]>> Oh, Jesus Christ.

[00:01:51]>> Yes, exactly. So, I'm glad you caught on. Anyways, >> Hi.

[00:01:55]>> Did you Did you see Did [laughter] you Of course you saw you and I had a discourse spirited exchange on social media about some discourse we'll call it. Yeah. About the the white devil Jackson Dart and his awful horrible comments our our support I should say his support for the greatest president since George Washington.

[00:02:19]Speaking of George Washington, before we go down that rabbit hole. Yeah. There is a Netflix show called George but put on by the History Channel. The best piece of TV that I have seen history based hands down. George Washington was a a [ __ ] G. He was a G but he was a [ __ ] failure to start his life and He never gave up. And never gave up. He is the epitome of America and why he's the father of father of our country. He deserves that title more than anyone ever could possibly. That's why I said I love and I know a lot of people are going to gag on this. It's going to take 10 years, 15 years to where before we can understand what Trump has actually done but I put him right behind George Washington. And everyone's going to gag on that. Especially paying $5 a gallon for gas.

[00:03:09]They're really going to gag on it. But the fact of the matter is behind the scenes there's things that are happening that will change this country forever. Well, you must not know about Polk.

[00:03:18]Polk? Yes. You talking about the president? Yes. I do. Cuz he is the guy who established the borders of Canada and Mexico during his presidency and he was hated as much as Trump and did as much for the country in a positive way even though he was hated as Trump is doing now if he pulls off what we're talking about him potentially pulling off. Well, he's The reason I I I give Trump so much credit is we're in such an technologically advanced time when it's everything is so uh bit rooted.

[00:03:49]For him to win this it's it's with such a long shot.

[00:03:53]>> It is. It's crazy.

[00:03:54]>> Yeah. That's why I I Not to take away anything. Not to take away from Abe Lincoln. Not to take away from a lot of great presidents that existed.

[00:04:01]But the enemy is so established and so technically advanced at this point. To see him do this and have the media against him throughout every stage of it. It's been It's It's just crazy.

[00:04:15]But >> But Jackson Dart >> Yeah.

[00:04:18]>> introduces President Trump.

[00:04:20]>> Correct.

[00:04:21]>> Do we need to put that video up? I'm sure America's aware of that already.

[00:04:23]>> goes on and says some things. But I want to I I think where I want to start is to point out how absolutely [ __ ] ignorant this is that we are attacking anyone for their support of a president.

[00:04:37]Um Victor Cruz in 2012, did you see that?

[00:04:39]>> Yes.

[00:04:41]>> Who attacked him?

[00:04:43]>> This I don't know. Who attacked >> I'm a Giants fan. I'm annoying them.

[00:04:46]>> there are a people There are people who are attacking [clears throat] Jackson Dart.

[00:04:51]Abdul Carter was not one of them.

[00:04:52]>> Abdul Carter was the one.

[00:04:54]>> No, he was not attacking him.

[00:04:55]>> So what motive do you think Abdul Carter had that he had to come out on on a social media platform to address a teammate? What do you think his motive was?

[00:05:07]>> His teammate introduced currently, I would say the second or third most hated person in America as the captain of their football team.

[00:05:20]>> There's another side of that. He is also probably one of the most beloved in other in in other segments.

[00:05:26]>> Like another segment, but I'm talking about the percentage of the country, right? So if we're talking about the percentage of the country and that this president has the largest disapproval rating currently of any president >> But based But based on what? Based on who?

[00:05:42]>> Based on Based on Based on polls.

[00:05:44]>> I got it. Polls are [ __ ] worthless.

[00:05:47]>> How else you how get the information?

[00:05:48]>> Hold on, let me remind you how accurate polls are. Hillary had a 98% chance of winning the 2016 election in the polls.

[00:05:56]>> I don't know about that, but >> I do. Well, we'll take it as fact cuz I've gone through all these polls.

[00:06:00]They're historically awful. You have to look at the same principle behind uh mass media.

[00:06:06]Who funds it? Who's behind it? These polls These polls are are not accurate.

[00:06:10]>> Well, let's take a poll right now. You have a Trump approval rating 100% he can do no wrong or are we >> Not not at all. I I have far more better than bad.

[00:06:20]>> Okay.

[00:06:21]>> And I I completely understand the pain.

[00:06:23]I'm going through the same pains that everyone else is going through, but I have an understanding of the finish line.

[00:06:27]>> What would you say you're at a total if you were to give him a zero to 100 about 100% he's he's the best thing that's ever happened to America and I love him, he's done no wrong and zero being he's Adolf Hitler.

[00:06:39]>> I would say Adolf Hitler is completely misunderstood.

[00:06:44]I want to get to >> All right, show's over. Talk to you guys >> [laughter] >> [ __ ] I had somebody call you a Hitler-loving Nazi at the very first show we did.

[00:06:54]>> [laughter] >> Well, tell them thank you.

[00:06:56]Tell them to actually go back and then we can do a whole show on Hitler if they're open-minded about it as opposed to what the what we learned.

[00:07:05]I think it's a it's a worthwhile conversation.

[00:07:07]>> he did some really really great things as far as pulling up inventors and scientists and engineering and Hitler was great at motivating his country for that type of stuff.

[00:07:19]He was good.

[00:07:19]>> approval on Trump the 20% being um pending on outcomes. That's all. If he gets the outcomes desired outcomes, I I I'm giving him an A+++.

[00:07:33]>> So, how much detraction do you take from the 100% for him not releasing the Epstein files fully?

[00:07:40]>> That's definitely on the bad side.

[00:07:41]>> Okay, so how what of the 20 you've taken away from that how much >> but you have to put it all in perspective.

[00:07:48]Of that I'd say that's 15% to be honest with you.

[00:07:51]>> All right, and then no more forever wars and he takes us to war with Iran so he lied to us.

[00:07:56]>> this. I know you support the war.

[00:07:57]>> do.

[00:07:57]>> But what about the lie to get us there?

[00:07:59]>> I don't care about the lie.

[00:08:00]>> Okay.

[00:08:01]>> The reason I don't care about the lie is because of the the climate we live in, the media that we are involved with, the absolute stupidity of Americans who won't understand the war, who still sit there and say, "Oh, we shouldn't be a war." And they don't That's fine. You can have that opinion, but you don't understand the premise for the war.

[00:08:16]>> You don't know the end game.

[00:08:17]>> And and I'm on your side when you say Israel is a bad part of that war. We agree completely. And now did you see the thing with the Pentagon?

[00:08:24]>> No.

[00:08:25]>> The Israeli and there is a bill to basically intertwine Israel military tech and American.

[00:08:34]>> Oh, I've heard about that.

[00:08:35]>> Yeah, which means that we'll be funding it not to the tune of 3.8 billion, we'll be funding it whenever, wherever.

[00:08:42]>> Right.

[00:08:43]>> Which bothers me to no end. I don't want to be part of that.

[00:08:45]>> Right.

[00:08:46]Not part of our strategic plan that was advertised clearly.

[00:08:50]>> No.

[00:08:50]>> so the where I was going with that is I'm a maybe 25 30% okay with Trump.

[00:08:57]Right? Squan? Where you at?

[00:09:02]>> Percentage?

[00:09:03]>> Yeah.

[00:09:03]>> Uh are we taking a poll?

[00:09:04]>> Yes.

[00:09:05]>> Because I like you're always taking a >> poll.

[00:09:07]>> [laughter] >> Like Matt was saying Polls are hilarious to me cuz I've never to in any of these polls they've put up I've never been asked.

[00:09:15]>> Really?

[00:09:15]>> Those Have you?

[00:09:16]>> Yes.

[00:09:16]>> Really?

[00:09:17]>> Well, he signed up for [ __ ] What's the blue thing?

[00:09:19]>> I did accidentally sign up for Act Blue.

[00:09:21]Yeah.

[00:09:21]>> Oh, so you're getting >> He got signed up for [laughter] for Act Blue so he he gets all the polls all day.

[00:09:26]>> Well, what what happened was I donated to a cause around the time of George Floyd and I started getting all this Act Blue [ __ ] in my inbox.

[00:09:35]>> That is the one [ __ ] in Derek's armor is he is a a identity politics.

[00:09:41]>> I am not.

[00:09:42]>> You are.

[00:09:42]>> I am not.

[00:09:43]>> You have openly said on this show and I will dig through the archives to show you that you support black issues regardless of them being right or wrong.

[00:09:51]>> to do with politics.

[00:09:52]>> I know it has to do with your identity.

[00:09:55]>> But that's not identity politics. It is my identity.

[00:09:57]>> Right, but it's identity politics.

[00:09:59]That's what we If you're if you're crossing over >> not voting for anyone because they're black.

[00:10:03]>> Yeah, but you support things based on them being black.

[00:10:06]>> I support the opportunity for things that have the opportunity for black people to advance.

[00:10:12]>> Such a nuance.

[00:10:13]>> It is cuz it's it's legit. I mean, you can't make it black and white when you're having a conversation about black and white. There's way to I mean, and mind you, I am also mixed, but I have definite desires and goals around the black community cuz I want to see people who have been oppressed succeed.

[00:10:31]>> When you say oppressed, so when you say oppressed, you believe in uh like policing is bad for them but more so than for blacks than than whites historically?

[00:10:41]>> Uh historically, yes. Currently, no.

[00:10:46]>> What if I said historically it it wasn't? I mean, I I I know the >> You'd be historically wrong cuz things have now shifted where it's somewhat equal in the last 5 years or so.

[00:10:56]>> just in the last 5?

[00:10:57]>> Yeah, 5 sounds like a good number.

[00:10:59]Probably 4.

[00:11:01]>> You know what? Let's play a video.

[00:11:04]And I know you know Roland Fryer. Can you play that?

[00:11:07]>> I still served this up for you.

[00:11:09]>> [laughter] >> collected a lot of data. We collected millions of observations on everyday use of force that wasn't lethal.

[00:11:16]We collected thousands of observations on lethal force. And And it was in this moment in 2016 that I realized people lose their minds when they don't like the result. So, what my paper showed >> So, that's Roland Fryer.

[00:11:31]>> Mhm?

[00:11:31]>> Roland Fryer is a Harvard professor.

[00:11:33]Hang on. So Harvard professors now good cuz before Harvard professors are indoctrinated and we're all [ __ ] and >> giving you his official title. He is a Harvard professor. So he does have access to things. Right. Harvard has things.

[00:11:50]assets, information, data.

[00:11:52]>> Lots of intelligent >> And but what I wanted to note there is the year. Roland Fryer just said 20 2016. So that means the research was done prior to 2016. He didn't land in 2016 and say I now have the data.

[00:12:06]>> Okay.

[00:12:07]>> So that is at least 10 years ago.

[00:12:10]>> Yep.

[00:12:11]>> Probably based on what he's looking at, I would have to go check. Maybe 15.

[00:12:17]Based on the years he's projecting back.

[00:12:19]>> Okay.

[00:12:19]>> All right. So remember, Derek said the last five were probably 10 to 15 already.

[00:12:25]>> You'll see tomorrow like some of you was that yes, we saw some bias in the low level uses of force every day pushing up against cars and things like >> So yes, we saw some bias.

[00:12:37]>> At the low level if you listen to him.

[00:12:40]>> Yeah, I know.

[00:12:41]>> But he clarifies what type of bias.

[00:12:44]>> Okay.

[00:12:44]>> He does.

[00:12:45]>> I don't recall that when I listened to it the first time.

[00:12:48]>> So back that up just a little bit. If you listen, he'll finish the sentence.

[00:12:51]>> Right.

[00:12:53]>> So what my paper showed you'll see tomorrow like some of you was that yes, we saw some bias in the low level uses of force every day pushing up against cars and things like that.

[00:13:03]People seem to like that result, but we didn't find any um uh racial bias in police shootings.

[00:13:12]Now, that was really surprising to me because I expected to see it. The little known fact is I had eight full-time RAs that it took to do this over nearly a year.

[00:13:24]When I found the surprising result, I hired eight fresh ones and redid it to make sure.

[00:13:32]>> Okay, Karen.

[00:13:33]>> They came up with the same exact answer and I thought it was robust and then I went to go give it and my god, all hell broke loose. It was a 104-page dense academic economics paper with a 150-page appendix, okay?

[00:13:51]It was posted for 4 minutes when I got my first email. This is full of [ __ ] >> Derek.

[00:13:57]>> Doesn't make any sense.

[00:13:57]>> That was Corey Hammond.

[00:13:58]>> And I wrote back, "How'd you read it that fast?

[00:14:02]That's amazing. You are a genius." And I had colleagues take me into to the side and say, "Don't publish this.

[00:14:14]You'll ruin your career."

[00:14:16]>> [snorts] >> I said, [clears throat] "What are you talking about?"

[00:14:19]I said, "What's wrong with it? Do you believe the first part?"

[00:14:22]"Yes."

[00:14:24]"Do you believe the second part?"

[00:14:27]"Well, it's The issue is they just don't fit together.

[00:14:31]We like the first one, but you should publish the the second one another time."

[00:14:35]I said, "Let me ask this.

[00:14:37]If the second part about the police shootings" This is a literal conversation.

[00:14:42]I said to them, "If the second part um showed bias, do you think I would should publish it then?"

[00:14:50]And they said, "Yeah, then it would make sense."

[00:14:53]And I said, "I guarantee you I'll publish it."

[00:14:55]>> He can stop it.

[00:14:55]>> We'll see what happens.

[00:14:56]>> He he just goes on to say that uh he had to live under police protection for the next 30 to 45 days with his 7-day-old daughter >> Right.

[00:15:04]>> under threats of violence because he told the truth.

[00:15:07]And who do you think those threats of violence came from?

[00:15:10]Karen's.

[00:15:11]>> I have no idea.

[00:15:12]>> Well, so if you had to pick a party, which party do you think has has >> Well, speaking of party, it definitely be the Democrats. I mean, let's be let's be real.

[00:15:20]>> But we're having a conversation about black and white and you brought up a question do I believe that policing has been that black people have been disproportionately affected and I said yes. Now, he specifically argues that police shootings are not biased, but he says yes, there is bias in violence and that's the part I am talking about.

[00:15:45]>> He did not say that.

[00:15:46]>> He did.

[00:15:47]>> He said there is some there was some at the low levels pushing up against cars and stuff like that.

[00:15:54]>> Correct.

[00:15:56]>> And again, he's not specific about where that is. I'm sure that it he's not I'm not sure, but I don't think he's saying broad strokes.

[00:16:03]>> I think it's nationwide. I mean why else would he have this report and not clarify >> What is low level? What is low levels mean? Isn't policing all at one level or is are we saying like small towns?

[00:16:13]>> Well, he's my my interpretation of what he said was low level violence and that no one was getting shot or maimed or >> So then so then let's do that.

[00:16:22]>> Yeah.

[00:16:23]>> Was George Floyd we'll use him as an incident or any any shooting or any type of violence that ends in in some type of death are those incidences low level or are those escalated?

[00:16:37]>> Well, in the case of George Floyd specifically, I would say that it was escalated in that they kept him in a pinned position for clearly much longer than was necessary and watched him actually urinate on himself and watched the pee roll down clearly after he had passed out. Still kept the knee on him. Never at any time tried to get paramedics involved or tried to save the life of the person that police are required to do when they're serving the public. Regardless of whether you have someone in custody that you think is a complete [ __ ] as a police officer your job is to save their life.

[00:17:14]>> Well, he was a complete [ __ ] I want to be clear about that.

[00:17:16]>> He was.

[00:17:17]>> However, there's a part of this that that that no one's talking about and there was a um autopsy report. And in that autopsy report it which was hidden and you're aware of that, right?

[00:17:31]>> I'm not aware of it being hidden cuz it's public information to me, so >> Well, it's public information because someone forced it into the light. At the time of the death, that that information, at the time of the court case is when it was forced out and it still wasn't brought into the public light.

[00:17:45]>> Mhm.

[00:17:46]>> He had 12 times the normal amount that would kill me or you of fentanyl in his system.

[00:17:51]>> Okay.

[00:17:51]>> And they attributed his heart stopping to that.

[00:17:55]>> Okay.

[00:17:56]>> So when you withhold that type of information, what what are you trying to accomplish?

[00:18:01]>> To rile up a base, clearly.

[00:18:03]>> Yeah. So that that's the problem and this is for me this isn't about George in particular.

[00:18:09]Um I I am saying we have painted that that uh the black community. You hear this a lot. They shoot blacks more than they do whites and I've heard that several times.

[00:18:21]>> I'm not the one saying it, but I've heard it as well.

[00:18:24]>> but but it is it is a talking point. It is an inaccurate talking point. And I'm not I don't I'll go as far >> So the Harvard study I would say I agree.

[00:18:31]>> Uh I it's a dishonest talking point. And I think I think the people that say it may actually believe it.

[00:18:38]>> I believe they do.

[00:18:39]>> I do, too and that's the sad part because you're saying something off the cuff.

[00:18:45]Right? You're just you're repeating something that is just a thing to say that you've been taught.

[00:18:49]>> Because logically it makes sense based on the low-level violence having a bias.

[00:18:54]>> He said some. You're making it sound like there was a ration.

[00:18:56]>> said the first the yes, there was a bias in the low level.

[00:19:01]>> Yeah, he said some.

[00:19:04]>> A if there is a bias, there's a bias.

[00:19:06]Either there isn't a bias >> Well, but there's there's different levels of that, right? There was he could have said there was a a ration, a huge portion of of violence at the low level. That's a distinction that's different from some violence.

[00:19:18]>> in his the way these studies typically work, if he could prove that blacks were being disproportionately reporting violence versus the percentage of people that are black in certain communities versus people that are white in certain communities, that would demonstrate a bias. If it was at least 10 15% higher percentage rate, that would define bias, right?

[00:19:42]>> Probably so. But my point is to the bigger picture, there has been a lie sold to the public that blacks are out here getting shot by the cops and at some rate that is that is just horrific and it's just not [ __ ] true.

[00:19:54]>> I agree that it's not true. And cuz during the whole George Floyd thing, there was a ton of after you and I had our big blowup.

[00:20:01]Before we came back together and now that we got this [ __ ] show, it's amazing. Except for I can't sleep at night.

[00:20:06]>> I agree.

[00:20:07]>> [laughter] >> I agree.

[00:20:08]>> All right. So, I did a bunch of research because my good friend Matt challenged me to the point where he and I weren't talking anymore. So, I knew I needed to educate myself about everything that was being discussed much better than I had been. So, the next time we got together, cuz I knew we were going to get together again, I was prepared.

[00:20:25]>> I Well, and in the same and in the same breath, I would go home and complain aloud, "I can't [ __ ] believe that Dirk blah blah blah blah." But I did that because you are my friend. And and I wanted you to see this in in the correct light, not my light, in the actual factual light.

[00:20:40]>> Right. And so, the actual factual light for me was 100% quantified that blacks are not being shot at a higher rate than the public should be just based on how many interactions there are with the percentage of people. There there is not there's not evidence to support that blacks are shot at a higher rate.

[00:21:01]>> That's true.

[00:21:02]>> And every study I've seen that I think is legit.

[00:21:06]>> Um in reality, per capita, they shoot whites more.

[00:21:10]And I and I and I really believe >> Well, they then because per capita >> Well, no.

[00:21:15]>> Are you saying you're saying per capita >> Per capita.

[00:21:16]>> there's a there's a bias towards shooting whites. Right.

[00:21:18]>> I'm not even saying there's a bias.

[00:21:20]>> Well, but >> I'm >> based on the numbers >> Yes, based on the actual numbers, they shoot whites more.

[00:21:24]>> Right.

[00:21:25]>> So, I I anyways, I I wanted to dispel that myth >> Sure.

[00:21:29]>> and and discuss that because it it I think it lends itself to this conversation of misconceptions about race. And I and I feel that Abdul Carter crossed the line.

[00:21:42]Why the need to check? Uh So, if you and I are on a team, you're the quarterback of the team, right?

[00:21:48]You're the guy.

[00:21:49]>> I A quarterback, yes, but captain of the team, the guy who represents and goes and talks on behalf of the team.

[00:21:54]>> Yeah, but you're the quarterback.

[00:21:55]>> Yep.

[00:21:56]>> I There's a there's a [ __ ] unspoken thing about [ __ ] with the quarterback, especially if you expect him to be your quarterback and be a good one.

[00:22:04]>> Right.

[00:22:05]>> You don't go on to Twitter and make a [ __ ] example out of him. You go to him and you say, "Hey, I have an issue with what what took place."

[00:22:13]>> Okay, so did Abdul Carter go on to Twitter or did he get interviewed and that interview ended up on Twitter?

[00:22:18]>> N- From my understanding, he posted a tweet. The tweet was available. I haven't went and looked for it. And then he pulled it down.

[00:22:26]>> Okay. So, the only thing that I saw was the post that you did, which was him being interviewed.

[00:22:31]>> No, that's post.

[00:22:32]>> Okay.

[00:22:33]>> That was his statement on it.

[00:22:35]>> Got it.

[00:22:35]>> Yeah. And and and and then and I find that statement offensive. He goes, "When you go and you blah blah blah and you're going to support a man like Trump."

[00:22:44]Again, we're speaking from a position of ignorance.

[00:22:46]He is he's giving a perception of a man like Trump. And and who gives a [ __ ] Maybe there's a support of someone that uh D'Antoni approves of. D'Antoni should not take to Twitter to out a teammate.

[00:23:01]He should go directly to him and have a conversation with him. So, why was he comfortable doing that in that manner is my question.

[00:23:10]>> All right, so the tweet said "Thought this was expletive was AI. What we doing, man?"

[00:23:17]>> Yeah, that's what he said.

[00:23:18]>> Okay, so I don't find that to be an attack. Nor do I think in the interview anything that he said in that interview was considered an attack. Now, everything that probably happened below the actual statements of Abdul Carter was probably really [ __ ] bad and what got you going, in my opinion, cuz I did not the statement that he made on his video.

[00:23:40]>> statement, the whole statement.

[00:23:42]>> If Jackson Dart had gone out and introduced Jeff Epstein, how would and and Abdul Carter came out and said, "Look, bro, what are we doing?"

[00:23:49]>> You're you're equating the president of the United States to Jeff >> No, I'm just I'm just saying, it would it would it be okay then?

[00:23:54]>> Jeff Epstein is a convicted pederast.

[00:23:57]>> Well, Trump is a convicted felon.

[00:23:59]>> Yeah, he's a uh >> I [laughter] mean, so you know the difference. No, I I do know the I 100% I I know the difference, but my question is, if it was Jeffrey Epstein and Abdul Carter came out and said something about it, would you have a problem with it?

[00:24:13]>> I I would pre- still prefer First of all, it I myself would have a problem if my quarterback loves Jeffrey Epstein.

[00:24:21]>> Yes.

[00:24:22]>> I would start to question what the [ __ ] is wrong with Jackson Dart if he's up there saying, "You know, I I really love I want to go to >> [laughter] >> I want to go to to to the island and I want" I'd be like, "Hey, let's talk about this.

[00:24:34]Let's have a conversation." But the the equation of the two types are just it's it's hard to bring those to the middle.

[00:24:41]>> it was Ben Shapiro?

[00:24:43]What if >> Same same rules. I don't like Ben and I think Ben's hideous. I think his policies are hideous. I think everything about Ben is hideous.

[00:24:50]>> You know what I'm saying? So, if Jackson Dart had introduced, let's say, Ben Shapiro at Turning Point AMFest or whatever the whatever the [ __ ] that was.

[00:24:57]>> it's inappropriate to call him out at in the manner that he did on social media. I think he owed that man the conversation that he should have had.

[00:25:07]I would have done it that way. I wouldn't have got on Twitter and and outed my own teammate. I would have walked over and said, "Hey, [ __ ] you like Shapiro?"

[00:25:14]>> Yeah, I agree. That's the way it should have gone down. But, I also don't have a problem with him standing up for himself and representing >> Who is he >> his portion of the team that he feels like he needs to represent, which is the people who don't support >> Okay. But, that's the thing. There's a there's a you are so entitled that you feel that you have to project your feelings onto someone who just has a different view than you and do it publicly?

[00:25:37]>> Yes.

[00:25:38]>> That is narcissistic to the [ __ ] nth degree.

[00:25:41]>> It's not that.

[00:25:43]So, the way you scripted that, I answered yes.

[00:25:48]Jackson Dart by going out and showing support for Trump did exactly what you said Abdul Carter shouldn't do.

[00:25:54]He projected his support on the rest of the team. No, but he but that's what Jackson Dart did.

[00:25:59]>> No, but that that's not what I said though. I'm it it doesn't matter what you support privately or in the public eye outside of the the framework of the team.

[00:26:07]Right? I don't care about that. Unless it's an Epstein or you you're you're going to a Ted Bundy thing. I'm like, "Hey, wait, Ted Bundy, really?"

[00:26:14]>> [laughter] >> Can we talk? Right? And I'm still probably just talking to you like this.

[00:26:19]So, the the problem I have, let's do it the other way around. Victor Cruz does that video, supports Obama. Everyone's Everyone's fine with that.

[00:26:27]>> Not that everyone wasn't fine with that.

[00:26:29]>> They were fine with it in the sense of no one went on social media.

[00:26:31]>> Okay.

[00:26:32]>> No teammates attacked him.

[00:26:34]If Eli Manning would have come out and and said what the same thing about about Cruz in reference to Obama, what are the chances that someone calls Eli Manning racist?

[00:26:48]>> Very high.

[00:26:49]>> Right.

[00:26:51]Right. And that's the problem. You've got one side, you've got two sets of rules. You've got this side that can say that because this guy's white and there's some >> But everyone's calling Abdul Carter racist. So what I don't understand the parallel you're trying to draw.

[00:27:03]>> thing to say.

[00:27:04]>> No, it's not appropriate. It's >> We're in a >> common. I'm not saying It's Just because it's common doesn't make it appropriate.

[00:27:10]>> But it's socially acceptable for the black the black side to attack the white side. That's where we are in this.

[00:27:16]>> know the So If we were If we were having this argument 10 years ago, I would agree with you wholeheartedly.

[00:27:22]>> Well, it it has shifted because there's an awareness of it now.

[00:27:24]>> Right. There is what we call >> the Builder, the the the guy that walks around dragging his knuckles and and dropping N-bombs on people and looking for a fight. He is the He is the pendulum swinging back in the other direction cuz this side of the table gets chastised because they speak.

[00:27:41]So they must be racist.

[00:27:43]>> [laughter] >> Well, and then when Abdul Carter speaks out, he also must be racist.

[00:27:48]>> believe Abdul Carter is What is prompting him to speak is racism.

[00:27:53]>> I don't think so.

[00:27:54]>> So then what is it?

[00:27:55]>> A dislike for Trump. And And But what does he dislike about Trump?

[00:27:59]>> What the same thing I dislike about Trump. He's a [ __ ] [ __ ] >> the black community There's segments of the black community that solely believe Trump is some racist nationalist >> Yes, but not the But not the educated side of the black community, which Abdul Carter falls into.

[00:28:14]>> I don't I don't necessarily know.

[00:28:15]Listen, going to college does not make you educated.

[00:28:18]>> to Penn State does.

[00:28:19]>> I don't I don't buy it. I think he I think he's racist. I think his racism pushed him to attack a white player. I don't think if it was an if it was a black player, I think he would have had a quiet conversation with him.

[00:28:30]>> Number one, there's no evidence of him attacking him.

[00:28:33]>> Well, other than getting outing him on social media instead of talking to him face-to-face.

[00:28:38]>> That's not attacking anyone.

[00:28:38]>> It is an attack. You used that platform to bring attention to something in a manner that it shouldn't be. It's It's It's It's subtle, but it's an attack.

[00:28:47]>> I don't consider it an attack. If he if he had said something that was attacking, then I would certainly say it was an attack.

[00:28:55]If it is him going, "What the [ __ ] are we doing?"

[00:28:58]>> Yeah, that's that's uncalled for. Who asked you to police me about what I can talk about or who I can >> step out and introduce the President of the United States that has a super high disapproval rating?

[00:29:09]>> he have to be Why does he have to have permission? And again, I I reflect back.

[00:29:13]No one did this to Victor Cruz. Can you play the Victor Cruz video? It's super short. Not a single person went at him for doing the exact same thing in a little bit of a different mode.

[00:29:26]>> I don't think I agree with no one came after Victor Cruz after that.

[00:29:29]>> I Then you're going to have to show me because not and I can >> I'm Victor Cruz and I support President Barack Obama. It's important for people to get hyped up for election day cuz it's just like game day. What you do on that field or what you do on those ballots are going to determine the winners and losers, so get out there and vote.

[00:29:46]Being half Latino, it's been a long time since we've actually had a voice like this and and and had someone that really cares about the Latin community and we need to go out there and let our voices be heard. Join me by going to latinos.barackobama.com.

[00:29:57][music] >> Not a single teammate took to took to Twitter, took to any social platform to go at him about that. And there's plenty of things that not even about the media that went at him.

[00:30:11]Actual legislation that you could have attacked.

[00:30:14]>> Were there any teammates during that time frame that supported his opponent?

[00:30:20]>> So we were saying conservatives.

[00:30:22]>> I'm just curious.

[00:30:24]I don't >> the answer to that, but I would assume yes because historically percentage-wise, we're about 50/50.

[00:30:29]>> Sure.

[00:30:30]>> Probably really 60/40.

[00:30:32]>> So if yes, what's the difference in someone else going out and stating that I support this person versus >> glad you asked. Victor Cruz is black and to go at a >> He's Latino.

[00:30:41]>> He is Latino, but he is >> but he He is he is he is not descendants of American slaves.

[00:30:45]>> That that is true but you understand what you're saying. He was perceived as a dark-skinned man as part of a black community not so much the white side.

[00:30:54]>> Well, possibly but in the actual commercial he says Latinos for Obama.

[00:31:00]Okay, I just want to make >> got it but he looks like a black man.

[00:31:03]>> And no one is going to go at him because if you do you're racist. It's racist to do that. If Eli Manning would have taken to Twitter or any social media thing and said "Hey, what are we doing here?" Everyone would have jumped on Eli and said, "You're racist." You know that they would have.

[00:31:17]>> I'm not saying that they wouldn't have.

[00:31:18]>> Well, then it needs to go the other way.

[00:31:20]>> also don't think Eli questioning him is actually racist. I think uneducated people, which you're not one of, make that claim and it's not racism.

[00:31:30]>> I see this for what it is. There is there is a bias.

[00:31:33]>> I for what I think you are.

[00:31:34]>> bias. We [laughter] we want we want to give one side free run. You can question anything especially if it's a white person.

[00:31:41]>> agree with that. I don't think that that is the the situation in America today.

[00:31:46]>> So you think his intent was solely and and and and you you've already said the manner in which he did it you would not have done.

[00:31:54]>> I wouldn't have because I'm like you. I address people face-to-face versus >> then that doesn't tell you in your mind maybe he's looking for a little something more than just a conversation.

[00:32:05]>> Um I think that the response was equal to the first event.

[00:32:12]>> It it is it You're not answering the question.

[00:32:14]>> Okay, what's the question?

[00:32:15]>> You're you're you're you're you're you're you're basing the two on a higher >> me get the question again.

[00:32:19]Yeah, let me get the question again.

[00:32:20]>> The the fact is you've already agreed, you said I would not have taken that to that to a platform to approach him.

[00:32:27]>> Me personally though.

[00:32:28]>> Right.

[00:32:28]>> I would have I would have had a conversation with him and then we together would have gone out on a press thing and I would have made my statement with him standing next to me.

[00:32:36]>> I would not have I stood >> on a podium next to you while you cried about the thing that I do. That's [ __ ] stupid. I'm not going to Hey, I'm going to stand here while he complains about my personal choices in politics.

[00:32:49]>> Well, so if we're talking about how this thing would have gone down. Matt introduces somebody that I don't like and have no appreciation for. Okay.

[00:32:58]>> introduces Oh, no. Let's do someone that you that we can get behind that you think is right. J.D. Vance is the next guy.

[00:33:03]>> Well, I don't hate J.D. Vance.

[00:33:04]>> Okay, not yet because he's not [laughter] stepped out front. He hasn't He hasn't put on >> I don't hate a lot of people, by the way.

[00:33:10]>> the main guy.

[00:33:10]>> Let Let's find somebody Ben Shapiro. Perfect example.

[00:33:15]>> Ben Shapiro. I'll give you that.

[00:33:16]>> Let's use Ben Shapiro. I I mean, I listen to his show, but I am not a fan.

[00:33:20]>> Yeah.

[00:33:21]So, I So, I support Ben Shapiro and you >> So, you introduce Ben Shapiro at AmFest and we've got our show together.

[00:33:27]>> Okay.

[00:33:27]>> And then I come behind the scenes and go, "Matt, like what are we doing, bro? Like like >> But, you're behind the scenes.

[00:33:35]>> It's like, "Dude, this is something that we need to talk about on our show and I can I need to challenge you on it."

[00:33:40]>> As a podcast >> Okay, but that that will be our platform, right? Cuz no one's going to come I'm not going to call for a press conference and people going to show up so you and I can talk about your Ben Shapiro thing.

[00:33:49]>> But, but you know, locker room has culture and locker room has cohesion. If you have division in the locker room and you're outing guys on social media because of their personal things, you're wrong.

[00:34:01]You're wrong. That That's why I call him a cancer.

[00:34:04]The culture in the locker room comes first.

[00:34:07]>> Okay, if it comes first, why is Jackson Dart out pre- introducing the president?

[00:34:13]>> Why are we assuming that that the culture in the locker room he's not a See, that This is the assumption that I think is so [ __ ] up. He should, as any teammate should, be able to go and and introduce anyone reasonably, especially a sitting president. Say he has just a respect for the office of president.

[00:34:30]>> Well, and he and he has plainly stated that's the reason he did it, which I appreciate.

[00:34:34]>> You know what his statement should have been? This should have been his statement, "Suck every inch of my dick because I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want. Abdul Carter, [ __ ] you." That's what that but he's not going to do that.

[00:34:44]He's smart enough to know that the culture in the locker room has to be has to be upheld. He's trying to do his best. But the correct answer was go [ __ ] yourself. I don't owe you any explanations.

[00:34:55]>> And if that were the answer, it would be bad all around.

[00:34:57]>> No, it wouldn't. The The bad part was done when you thought you had the the moral authority to come over and tell me what I can do outside the lines.

[00:35:05]>> But he did.

[00:35:06]>> And he And he shouldn't have did it.

[00:35:08]>> He But okay, he did.

[00:35:10]>> Yeah.

[00:35:11]>> And they're done.

[00:35:13]It's me and you still talking about it.

[00:35:14]They're not anymore.

[00:35:15]>> But they're not though. They're not done. I don't think so.

[00:35:18]>> How do you know?

[00:35:19]>> Because listen, I would I'm telling you right now >> They say they're done.

[00:35:23]>> Jackson Dart to say things that he doesn't want to say.

[00:35:27]Okay? He doesn't want to Did you see the other press conference?

[00:35:30]The guy's like, "So, did you and him talk about it? Did you apologize? Did you Apologize I He You could see in his eyes he wanted to say apologize for what, motherfucker?"

[00:35:39]>> I did not see it.

[00:35:40]>> "Did your mama apologize for giving birth to you?"

[00:35:42]>> [laughter] >> That's what But But he was antagonizing him. He was trying to get Jackson and you could see the uncomfortable nature.

[00:35:48]The fact that this man had to offer up any apology or any explanation at all is absolutely absurd. He owes nobody anything.

[00:35:57]Nothing.

[00:35:59]If If Abdul Carter went to a Kamala thing and in He owes no one an explanation at all.

[00:36:05]>> I disagree. I think as a captain of a team, when you step out and support something as divisive as a political candidate >> Why is it divisive?

[00:36:15]>> Because everyone has their policies and they have their politics.

[00:36:19]>> So? What the [ __ ] does that mean?

[00:36:22]We are allowed to vote for and support what we want >> 100% but locker room but locker room's locker room.

[00:36:27]>> Right. And when you take things outside the locker room and it affects the locker room, it's an issue.

[00:36:33]Period. Like just Tim Tebow being who he was was an issue.

[00:36:37]>> I know. He's white.

[00:36:39]>> No, he was super religious and a media circus.

[00:36:42]>> I I got it. But >> Right? And what Jackson Dart did by introducing Trump was invite a media circus.

[00:36:48]>> Yeah, that's not it's a media circus.

[00:36:50]>> The number one selling jersey in the in the single day in the history of the NFL, all the political and [ __ ] that Well, good, but there's still a media circus and now people in the locker room will have to answer those questions.

[00:37:02]>> What makes it a media circus?

[00:37:03]>> Because >> The media.

[00:37:05]>> Absolutely.

[00:37:06]>> Right. So, that shouldn't come into play amongst teammates. If you're If you are moving in the in the wind with the media, you're a simpleton. We already know this. Every headline in the in there is Trump raped a baby, Trump killed his mom, Trump You know what I mean? If you're If you're following >> mom. I know about the baby.

[00:37:24]>> read it in the media. If If it hasn't been said, it'll be said tomorrow.

[00:37:27][laughter] But if you are If you are so susceptible to these low-level [ __ ] attacks, what the [ __ ] do I have to entertain anything you say for?

[00:37:36]>> The situation is you are playing in the NFL. And when you do things that bring attention to yourself other than football-related or charity-related, it is a [ __ ] issue for every team and every player in that locker room. And that's what Jackson Dart did.

[00:37:51]>> Okay. So, I did I just could not disagree more. What we're saying is we're going to put constraints on every player who ever wants to do anything like introduce someone.

[00:38:01]I'm going to go somewhere, you know what? I was raped at Boy Scout camp. You went to the Boy Scout thing. I need you to give an a public apology. We're going to We're moving the goal posts all over the place.

[00:38:12]>> So, I'm not advocating for public apologies. What I'm saying is the situation of the NFL specifically is don't bring attention to yourself that isn't football related, that isn't 100% positive.

[00:38:25]>> cannot go to stuff like that. You Oh, have no If I was him, I would go to one every week for the next 52 weeks and tell them all to eat my ass.

[00:38:35]>> But how much money have you been given by the NFL to go play?

[00:38:38]>> It doesn't matter. He was given money to the NFL or by the NFL to play and he went.

[00:38:42]>> Exactly. And and what happened was >> some [ __ ] got offended.

[00:38:47]>> A bunch of [ __ ] got >> one. One [ __ ] wrote a tweet out >> A hun- >> a bunch of more [ __ ] jumped on >> Millions of [ __ ] got offended before Abdul Carter did.

[00:38:57]>> You're telling me that this would be the same thing had not one of his teammates come out and done that.

[00:39:04]Not a chance. Not a chance.

[00:39:06]>> The The train had already The train already left the station with America being pissed off. The half of America that just likes Trump being pissed off.

[00:39:14]Right.

[00:39:15]>> new?

[00:39:16]>> The The new new is now when when >> Abdul Carter's not >> Carter or anyone else in in the Giants organization steps to the podium after practice, they've got to answer questions about Jackson Dart when they should be asking questions about football.

[00:39:27]>> that answer should go? He's my teammate.

[00:39:29]He has a personal life. You'll have to talk to him about that.

[00:39:31]>> Still a distraction.

[00:39:32]>> an IQ of about six.

[00:39:34]But the IQ of about six got on Twitter and said, "Does this say I? This is what we're doing?"

[00:39:40]>> I'm I'm just telling you that the way the NFL rocks what Jackson Dart and anybody else of that ilk does to bring attention to the team that's not football related, bad.

[00:39:50]>> Okay.

[00:39:51]We just We're not going to agree on that at all.

[00:39:53]>> That's okay.

[00:39:53]>> Um look, let's do Can you remind us what Dwayne Johnson said?

[00:39:59]Please.

[00:40:00]This is Dwayne >> Someone like save me.

[00:40:02]>> No, I'm >> Save this [ __ ] conversation.

[00:40:03]>> I know that. It's not a bad conversation at all. It's just it's it we just fundamentally disagree on what your personal rights are.

[00:40:12]>> Absolutely. And and when it comes to the NFL, >> Oh, this is something that I Most have done in the past.

[00:40:17]So I'm going to go big.

[00:40:18]>> [laughter] >> You guys know me. If I go, I go big. So guys, I had the opportunity to sit down with Vice President Joe Biden and Senator Kamala Harris to talk about a number of important issues that we're facing as a country.

[00:40:33]I thought it was a great and extremely productive conversation that we had and as a registered independent for years now with centrist centrist, excuse me, ideologies, I do feel that Vice President Biden and Senator Harris are the best choice to lead our country and I am endorsing them to become President and Vice President of our United States.

[00:40:57]Okay.

[00:40:58]>> Aside from me hounding that dude on every platform and posting that thing for 2 years, >> [laughter] >> along with him in a mask for another 2 years, I went at this dude every way I could go at this guy.

[00:41:12]>> Okay.

[00:41:13]>> Did Did we see a big pushback on him from someone saying you can't say that?

[00:41:18]>> He is a Hollywood mogul.

[00:41:21]>> I know.

[00:41:21]>> They all support the left.

[00:41:23]>> I got it.

[00:41:23]>> Him coming out supporting them would >> I'm a I'm a centrist.

[00:41:27]>> Yes.

[00:41:28]>> Okay.

[00:41:29]So that that implies you're almost a libertarian, right? To some degree you're in the middle.

[00:41:35]>> generally speaking, yeah. I mean, libertarians are in the middle, but that doesn't Being in the middle doesn't make you a libertarian.

[00:41:40]>> [ __ ] step to the left over there. Do you think that pissed some people off?

[00:41:44]>> I'm sure that people who were fans of The Rock >> I'm one of them.

[00:41:48]>> that or did not are not fans of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were upset with him. No different than Joe Rogan endorsing Trump and people who followed Joe that were left-leaning >> I just don't remember everyone losing their [ __ ] over that.

[00:42:03]Uh and we're just just letting guys say whatever they want. And they should be able to say. That's my point.

[00:42:08]>> back to the last election, I lost their [ __ ] over everybody.

[00:42:12]>> Okay. Let's do the next one.

[00:42:13]>> Yeah.

[00:42:15]Who else endorsed him?

[00:42:15]>> Lawrence Lawrence Taylor is the greatest linebacker that has ever played the game.

[00:42:20]You can argue that all you want.

[00:42:22]>> Also a crackhead.

[00:42:22]>> I don't care.

[00:42:24]>> [laughter] >> His on-field contribution to the NFL changed the game.

[00:42:28]>> For sure.

[00:42:29]>> Okay. He intro'd Trump. He supports Trump left and right. And Abdul Carter asked if he could wear his jersey number. Right? Why? That's inappropriate. Why didn't he go to LT and say, "Matter of fact, let me take to social media and out LT." Because you're out here supporting Trump. Can you show that that intro the one for for Trump?

[00:42:51]Look at There's my guy right there.

[00:42:54]Not only does he support him, listen to the [ __ ] he says about the Democratic Party.

[00:43:00]>> I just wanted to say I grew up a Democrat.

[00:43:07]And I've always been a Democrat.

[00:43:11]Until I met this man right here. I'll tell you why.

[00:43:15]>> [cheering] >> He will not have to worry about nobody in my family ever vote for a Democrat again.

[00:43:27]>> [cheering] >> There must have been a lot of money paid to him for his whole family to not vote Democrat.

[00:43:32]>> Whatever.

[00:43:32]>> [laughter] >> Bottom line. Abdul Carter asked he he went to the Giants, "I'd like to wear 56." First of all, double [ __ ] you for that. You No one's wearing that number.

[00:43:42]And the whole [ __ ] NFL should retire that number. You shouldn't be the Canadian [ __ ] league. No one in your flag league in the A7FL or flag. Nobody should ever [ __ ] wear 56 in the rest of the history of 56.

[00:43:53]>> Since you brought it up, shout out to the Las Vegas Insomniacs winning their third championship in four years. What's up? Okay, go ahead.

[00:44:00]>> Congratulations.

[00:44:00]>> Yeah.

[00:44:01]>> With that said, he went to the Giants and said, "I'd like to wear 56."

[00:44:04]Resounding no. But why would he want to wear the number of a guy who who who hangs out with a troll like Trump?

[00:44:11]>> Because just like Abdul Carter actually said, he doesn't have a problem with Jackson Dart. He has a problem with him introducing Trump.

[00:44:19]>> No, his problem is Jackson Dart. He's comfortable He's comfortable with attacking Jackson Dart because Jackson Dart is white.

[00:44:27]>> There's no attack.

[00:44:27]>> Lawrence Taylor, he won't say a word. If he had [ __ ] in his mouth, he wouldn't say [ __ ] because Lawrence Taylor is black.

[00:44:35]Everyone that is black that says [ __ ] Abdul Carter is not going to say a [ __ ] word. Has he?

[00:44:41]>> Have any of his teammates besides Jackson Dart stepped out and endorsed President Trump?

[00:44:46]>> Why didn't he say anything about Lawrence Taylor?

[00:44:48]>> Because that was during the election before Abdul Carter was on the team.

[00:44:52]>> Well, well then okay, so then that that was in the past. Why are you wanting to wear his number now?

[00:44:55]>> Because he's the greatest linebacker of all time. Greatest defensive player of all time.

[00:44:58]>> But he's a horrible human because he he supports Donald Trump. So, you can't wear that number.

[00:45:03]>> But Abdul Carter never called Jackson Dart a horrible human. Only Matt is giving him that assignment.

[00:45:10]>> do that. Yes, he did.

[00:45:11]>> He said, "What are we doing?"

[00:45:12]>> Yeah, he What So, what he What does that mean? What are we doing?

[00:45:14]>> If I question your choice, it doesn't make you a horrible human.

[00:45:17]>> I didn't say he's a horrible human. I said he's implying that he's a horrible human.

[00:45:20]>> question your choice, that's not imply like I questioned some of the choices that you make. That is That's not me implying you're a horrible human.

[00:45:26]>> messages.

[00:45:28]>> [laughter] >> All right? And And Quan's in on those, and we send each other dumb [ __ ] all the time. That's [laughter] That's fine.

[00:45:34]>> Right.

[00:45:34]>> We can say anything we want on that platform, but you do not go to social media and out your [ __ ] quarterback.

[00:45:40]I'm sorry, you just don't do that.

[00:45:41]>> I don't disagree with you on that, but I also say that but I also say that your quarterback should not also be bringing attention to the team that's unnecessary.

[00:45:51]>> I'm the quarterback, I swing that dick like that, I do what I like, I go to introduce whoever the [ __ ] I want cuz I throw all the goddamn touchdowns. That's That's [laughter] what Jackson Dart throws all the touchdowns.

[00:45:59]>> Except for last year while he was >> I don't give a [ __ ] He's going to be the guy. You don't You don't want to [ __ ] with the guy.

[00:46:05]>> Right. He was the definitely the best quarterback in that class.

[00:46:08]>> I I agree with you. And I just I Aside from all the [ __ ] I'm talking, I just think it's completely inappropriate. And I think from my perspective, Abdul Carter is comfortable doing that simply because of race.

[00:46:19]>> I think both instances are equally inappropriate. And that that [ __ ] should never have left the locker room in the first place. And Jackson Dart does not need to be out here promoting and or giving rise to people to put more attention on the team that isn't football associated.

[00:46:38]>> what's next? What if he comes out tomorrow and he says, "I'm going to go to a Christian church and say, 'Praise the Lord. I love Jesus.'" Is that Is that wrong?

[00:46:47]>> Socially acceptable. So, no.

[00:46:48]>> Well, so where are we drawing these lines? Who in the [ __ ] is making these rules?

[00:46:52]>> Well, if he says I'm going to a Christian >> I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I >> Do you see what I'm saying? We are We are >> I do. You're trying to draw a parallel that doesn't really cuz >> freedom of speech.

[00:47:08]>> It is, but we're also talking about the moral majority of America also supports Jesus.

[00:47:15]>> So, we're also going to be But we're also going to be fine. We're also going to be fine when a black player goes out and supports with the elections coming up, uh midterms or otherwise, uh a black candidate and and someone comes out and outs them for that. We're not going to hear anyone call that white player racist.

[00:47:34]>> I'm sure we will, but it won't be me.

[00:47:35]>> I didn't say you. I said player.

[00:47:37]>> Well, that's the thing. So, >> Only thing you play now is [ __ ] checkers.

[00:47:41]I'm I And Call of Duty?

[00:47:43]>> I don't I don't I don't I don't do any gaming at all. As a matter of fact, I don't even know what sports I play anymore. I I [ __ ] try to >> I'm speaking from the perspective of the locker room.

[00:47:50]>> Yeah.

[00:47:51]The The locker room perspective is such that, like I said, you don't bring attention to yourself outside of football unless it's positive.

[00:47:57]>> when someone does, when someone when say breaks the holy grail and says, "I am going to have a life outside of football." You think it's going to be just fine. And and say a white player calls out a black player for that. We're not going to call the white player racist, right?

[00:48:12]>> I won't.

[00:48:12]>> No, no, we we when I say we, we're not going to watch the NFL do what it just didn't do.

[00:48:18]>> What did the NFL just didn't do?

[00:48:21]>> we're saying that Abdul Carter didn't do this because of race.

[00:48:25]>> Okay, no, I'm saying that. You're You're not. You disagree.

[00:48:27]>> But a lot of the public is is is taking that position. But when it's completely flipped the other side, the people who were about race then, are they going to be about race the other way?

[00:48:36]>> So, so I can frame your your question so I understand it. When someone in the NFL steps out and publicly supports someone that is considered divisive and it draws attention to the team.

[00:48:49]>> in general is divisive.

[00:48:50]>> Yeah, but if it draws some sort of wild attention to the team and the event.

[00:48:56]>> Well, it's it it drew wild attention cuz the media is a garbage heap.

[00:48:59]>> Well, that's the thing. So, the reason why it escalated to where it did is because it drew wild attention.

[00:49:05]>> Cuz of the media.

[00:49:06]>> Right.

[00:49:07]>> Well, that is the the media.

[00:49:09]>> the guy that knew the media was going to do that because he watches the media cuz he's been in Penn State, he's been in all these places. He knows how the media operates.

[00:49:16]He's not stupid.

[00:49:18]He knew this >> So, Jackson Dart is stupid?

[00:49:20]>> But he Why is [laughter] he wrong though?

[00:49:22]I get to go support a guy I I find as a good candidate and I like I have his conservative values and I am have respect for the office of president. I'm getting to introduce the [ __ ] president of the United States, but I can't go because this guy over here is going to be offended.

[00:49:38]>> So, also Jackson didn't come out and say conservative values. He just says the office of the president.

[00:49:43]>> conservative.

[00:49:44]>> I don't know if he clearly is or not.

[00:49:46]He's clearly white. I don't know if that makes him clearly conservative.

[00:49:48]>> say >> [laughter] >> See, see you did that.

[00:49:50]>> No, you've been making it a issue time.

[00:49:52]I'm saying it's not racist.

[00:49:54]>> Abdul Carter is black. I don't know that he's racist.

[00:49:57]>> don't care if he's black. He is racist towards whites. Whatever he is.

[00:50:01]>> agree with that.

[00:50:02]>> I do.

[00:50:02]>> Why would he say he loves his quarterback if he's racist?

[00:50:05]>> Because he doesn't want to get called racist.

[00:50:07]>> If you are racist, do you say >> my quarterback, that white >> are actually racist, do you say you love somebody that you hate?

[00:50:14]>> It Oh, so if you really love them, no.

[00:50:18]He does not really love him. If you really love him, you go talk to him one-on-one. You go have the respect.

[00:50:24]Where was the respect and love to go over and say, "Hey, bro, you know how I feel about you. This is this whole month is dedicated to gay [ __ ] Why don't me and you jump in the shower and have a long conversation about Donald Trump?"

[00:50:36]The The conversation should have took place out of respect in person. There's no respect. That was respect, please.

[00:50:43]>> because Jackson Dart didn't have a conversation with his teammates and let him know let them know that he was going to go introduce to the president, where's Jackson Dart >> What the [ __ ] bro?

[00:50:51]Yeah, so now everybody has to check, "Hey, guys, tomorrow I'm going to the buffet."

[00:50:56]>> If you're going to do something that is going to bring a media storm, >> says But says who? Is that in his contract? Do we think that in his contract he says, "If you decide to introduce the president of the United States, you can be openly criticized."

[00:51:08]>> think it specifically says introducing the president of the United States, but I am virtually positive that if you do something that brings a bunch of attention to the team, that there's probably clauses in the contract that has a conversation >> have the Giants done to punish Jackson Dart for this awful offense?

[00:51:23]>> Probably give him a raise.

[00:51:24]>> Donut. Nothing. They've [laughter] done nothing. Because it's because it shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter.

[00:51:29]>> You're right, it shouldn't.

[00:51:30]>> sign a contract. If you told me, "I'm good You can come play for me. Just don't do these following things." And all those following things were about politics and religion, I'd say, "This is clearly not a place I need to play."

[00:51:42]>> And that And that is the trade-off in the NFL.

[00:51:44]>> Well, but that's not the trade-off. It doesn't exist. He did The Giants didn't come after him.

[00:51:48]>> Well, why would they?

[00:51:48]>> Because it They wouldn't But they're they're Trump supporters.

[00:51:51]>> Why would they come after him?

[00:51:52]>> I don't know who they support. I I would assume Mera is, but he lives in a in a blue [ __ ] so he has to understand that he can't always talk that way. But the fact of the matter is, there's probably no clauses in there at all that that prohibit him from doing anything that he did.

[00:52:08]>> We should find out, cuz we're completely speculating, but >> I am, but there's been no talk like that.

[00:52:12]>> Yeah, I don't know.

[00:52:14]That part I don't know.

[00:52:15]>> I think Abdul Carter should be traded immediately.

[00:52:17]>> I think he should be cut, if not traded, cuz then they'll get value for him. I think he's They should cut him and he should immediately sign with the Lions.

[00:52:23]>> I don't care what whatever we do, we have I He should be sent What is the worst [ __ ] team?

[00:52:28]>> The Lions.

[00:52:29]>> No.

[00:52:30]He should become a Dallas Cowboy.

[00:52:32]He should have to play for the for the Dallas Cowboys for the next 10 years.

[00:52:37]Jerry, as long as Jerry lives, they'll never win [ __ ] and he can stay there and complain all he likes.

[00:52:42]>> that's a great idea.

[00:52:44]>> Send it.

[00:52:45]Just get him out of here. I don't want anyone [ __ ] with my QB.

[00:52:49]>> But he will [ __ ] with your quarterback twice a year.

[00:52:51]>> And we'll beat him, or or at least we're having an honest, you know, at least you can talk [ __ ] out in the open and be honest. We're not teammates. You don't like me, and you play for the gayest team in all of football.

[00:53:00]>> I think he actually likes Jackson Dart.

[00:53:03]Honestly.

[00:53:03]>> So, you think that that those actions right there are what you do when you like someone?

[00:53:08]>> I think no different than you calling me out on social media before we had a podcast.

[00:53:13]>> Bro, we're not This We didn't have a locker room. You posted something on social media. [laughter] Listen to the words, social media. So, you said, "I'm going to throw my dick out on the table." And I walked over and slapped your dick. Keep your dick off the table.

[00:53:25]Right. This is a different thing. We are teammates. We are millionaire teammates on a on a NFL football team. If you are really my friend, you're taking to Twitter?

[00:53:35]>> If you're really my friend, are you going and doing something that's going to bring negative attention to the team?

[00:53:40]>> No, it's not negative. It's negative by perspective, because you have a negative perspective. It is not negative for me to go introduce the president.

[00:53:47]>> Did Jackson Dart actions bring negative attention to the team?

[00:53:51]>> Because the the people viewing it negatively brought that negative attention.

[00:53:56]>> 100%. So, the answer is yes.

[00:53:57]>> So, the answer is no.

[00:53:59]>> [laughter] >> Jackson Dart did nothing wrong.

[00:54:03]>> I'm not saying I'm not saying anything wrong. He did Well, he did something wrong in the eyes of the locker room.

[00:54:08]>> No.

[00:54:08]>> any player that takes any stance in politics in any position in any way that introduces anyone does nothing wrong.

[00:54:15]And that includes Abdul Carter. That includes every player that wants to go privately introduce someone that I can't stand.

[00:54:21]>> Let me just say it does nothing wrong in the construct of America cuz we all have free speech. But, we also have the freedom to be criticized for our free speech. And that is what has happened.

[00:54:29]>> Absolutely.

[00:54:30]>> So, what's the [ __ ] problem, man?

[00:54:31]>> The problem is we're teammates and you took >> Then you shouldn't have done this in the first place.

[00:54:35]>> come talk to me because remember, he says he loves him.

[00:54:38]>> He does.

[00:54:39]>> And by showing love, you just walk out onto Twitter and kick him right in the balls.

[00:54:42]>> That's tough love.

[00:54:43]>> That's [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Have you heard of tough love?

[00:54:45]>> That's chicken [ __ ] love is what that is. It's Twitter fingers, bro.

[00:54:49]>> But, he he went and saw him face-to-face, too.

[00:54:51]>> I'm sure >> He's like, "I'm not letting you get to sleep tonight without hearing my [ __ ] say."

[00:54:54]>> actually wanted to fight him, to be honest with you.

[00:54:56]>> think he wanted to fight him at all.

[00:54:57]They love each other.

[00:54:58]>> No, that is not love. If there's love like that, >> according to him, they sit next to each other in in the group meetings every week.

[00:55:06]>> I'm sure. And I'm sure it's just the warmest [ __ ] vibe ever. If I'm Dart, I'm pissed.

[00:55:11]I'm telling you. I'm not, but I'm saying if if someone did that to me, I'm pissed. I'm pissed off. Matter of fact, I'm not Dart and I'd have walked in the locker room and said, "You're a [ __ ] and me and you can go into that into those showers over there with our clothes on this time. And when we when we get done, we're going to have a new understanding about how you and I talk to one another."

[00:55:29]>> I think that's that likely could happen, but you do that with somebody that you care for.

[00:55:34]You don't do that with people that you don't [ __ ] >> Right. Because you're emotionally involved.

[00:55:36]>> Right.

[00:55:36]>> I've done that with well, a couple guys.

[00:55:39]>> Right. So, you know [laughter] >> Two of my best friends in the world.

[00:55:42]>> Right.

[00:55:43]You have to.

[00:55:44]>> Yeah, but they didn't take me to Twitter to do it.

[00:55:46]>> Also true.

[00:55:48]>> It was an >> But none of you were in the NFL.

[00:55:49]>> It was an alley behind a strip club.

[00:55:52]>> [laughter] >> So, Quan, you're big NFL fan.

[00:55:57]Unwritten law about not bringing attention to the team. Am I Am I wrong in that?

[00:56:06]>> Um no, you're not wrong, but I don't think that I don't feel like this situation warrants that. Because you you can I can pick out anything a teammate does. Why was he at the strip club till 3:00 in the morning? Which all the teammates are in the off season, right?

[00:56:21]>> Yeah.

[00:56:21]>> They're all out.

[00:56:22]>> That's what I was saying. This is the same thing with Jackson Dart. What are we doing?

[00:56:24]>> What am I going to be offended about?

[00:56:27]And probably half the locker room's happy Jackson Dart was there cuz they probably voted for for Trump.

[00:56:33]Half the locker room might not be happy or some of them might not care.

[00:56:37]Which I would lean more on I don't care what what you're doing.

[00:56:40]>> 50% of them don't care, and then the remaining 50% loved it one way or another.

[00:56:45]>> I don't disagree with that at >> Now, if there was already political talk in the locker room saying, you know, talking about this type of stuff, and then Jackson Dart went and did this, I think it'd be a little different.

[00:56:56]>> Maybe so.

[00:56:57]>> Cuz that would be a slap in the face like well, let me show you like I could go do this, but I don't think he was even thinking about that, which I don't think he should have been thinking about that.

[00:57:06]>> I agree with you. I think I don't think it was done with the intent of hurting anyone in there.

[00:57:10]>> I don't think so either. I don't think that it was done with the with a thought at all about what might happen with the team.

[00:57:15]>> There's the nuanced insult right there.

[00:57:17]No thought at all, cracker.

[00:57:20]>> [laughter] >> Look, I'm not ready to bring race into this.

[00:57:22]>> Jackson Dart, didn't >> I mean, he did go to Ole Miss.

[00:57:25]>> [laughter] >> Yeah. I like Dart. I think he's a great addition. And >> He's a great addition to the team.

[00:57:30]>> And then I looked up Abdul Carter's stats. He led in all of the What's the term? Where you hurries?

[00:57:37]>> Yeah.

[00:57:37]>> Right? As a rookie.

[00:57:40]And trade that [ __ ] yesterday.

[00:57:42]Get him off the team.

[00:57:43]>> But >> now he's valueless to me. He's a troublemaker.

[00:57:47]>> Right.

[00:57:48]>> He just cuz just like Quan said, what what's going to offend you next? Who's going to be the next guy that defends him? Does he know Harbaugh and his brother have been in the president's uh oval office?

[00:57:59]>> he does now.

[00:58:00]>> Well, so when is he going to call Harbaugh in on the rug? Coach, I want to I want you to know what are we doing here, bro? Is this [ __ ] AI?

[00:58:08]>> Coach, when I was 13 years old >> [laughter] >> you went to the oval office.

[00:58:13]>> Yeah.

[00:58:13]>> I don't I don't see that happening.

[00:58:15]>> even that long ago.

[00:58:16]>> I thought it was 2016.

[00:58:17]>> And when Giants win the Super Bowl this year, are they going to go to the White House?

[00:58:22]>> Well, I know who won't go. I know who Jackson's going to go and probably some of the other players that like Trump.

[00:58:29]And the coach.

[00:58:30]And Abdul Carter can go to [ __ ] Philadelphia. Trade that [ __ ] to Philly. While the drug addicts wandering the streets and [ __ ] he can go outside and hang out with them. [ __ ] him.

[00:58:37]>> At least he'll have a chance of winning a Super Bowl.

[00:58:39]>> Yep. Whatever.

[00:58:40]Get it.

[00:58:41]>> [laughter] >> [ __ ] dick.

[00:58:43]I cannot wait.

[00:58:45]We're going to be We're going to win our division this year. We're going 10 and 7. We're going to win our division.

[00:58:49]>> god, are you guys leaving the NFL?

[00:58:51]How are you winning your division?

[00:58:52]>> Winning the division with on the arm of Jackson now.

[00:58:55]>> No, I look, if Cam Akers comes back healthy and if Malik Nabers at least gets back mid-season, I think you got a real good [ __ ] shot to win that division.

[00:59:03]>> Malik is best mid-season. He wasn't moving very good. And they went to that >> another knee back of knee surgery.

[00:59:08]>> Well, yeah. I want him to be healthy. Um but did you see him at that charity game?

[00:59:13]>> No.

[00:59:13]>> He could barely run.

[00:59:14]>> Okay.

[00:59:14]>> And and then Cam Akers on the on the flip side of that hit a home run and then stood there and did a backflip.

[00:59:21]>> Oh, so he's in good shape.

[00:59:22]>> So he's healthy. That's what I'm saying.

[00:59:23]He looks healthy.

[00:59:24]>> Love it.

[00:59:25]>> He's He's dumb.

[00:59:26]>> Oh, he's never >> a bag of rocks. That's why he plays the way he does. And as long as we can keep him for as long as we can, his brain doesn't fall out of his ear during the middle of the game, I'm happy to have him.

[00:59:35]>> I'm pretty sure his middle name is You just resigned OBJ today.

[00:59:38]>> We did. Yeah, we did.

[00:59:39]>> Cool. I thought he was I saw something I saw a picture of him in a Dolphins uniform. I thought that's where he went.

[00:59:43]>> Juju Smith-Schuster, too.

[00:59:44]>> Wow.

[00:59:45]>> Yeah.

[00:59:46]>> Bunch of guys who can't play wide receiver anymore.

[00:59:48]>> [laughter] >> Right.

[00:59:49]>> We're really just So, OBJ is >> you're the Raiders of [ __ ] 10 years ago.

[00:59:54]>> OBJ >> old?

[00:59:55]>> Go play for us.

[00:59:55]>> OBJ's the filler until Malik comes back.

[00:59:58]>> That makes sense. But I love OBJ back in New York. That's [ __ ] cool.

[01:00:01]>> That was Yeah, that was great.

[01:00:04]How are we on time?

[01:00:05]>> We got hours to go, right?

[01:00:07]>> Exactly an hour.

[01:00:09]>> Oh, [ __ ] >> That was a That was a spirited debate.

[01:00:12]>> It was.

[01:00:13]>> Yeah. You were really wrong about everything, and I appreciated you >> Except for everything I was right about.

[01:00:17]>> sharing your opinions that were really horrible. Sir.

[01:00:21]>> I wish you hadn't shared yours, but it was a great show because of it.

[01:00:23]>> Well, I'm going to keep on doing it.

[01:00:25]>> I know.

[01:00:25]>> But can we go out with Tupac being gay, since it's [ __ ] the month that where everything's gay?

[01:00:29]>> That's a good That's a good idea. I [ __ ] hate this video, dude. I mean >> It exists, though.

[01:00:33]>> I know.

[01:00:34]But as a person who grew up >> All eyes on me.

[01:00:40]>> Yeah, dude. That [laughter] >> Okay, my name is Tupac Shakur. Hit 'em up.

[01:00:48]And I'm 17 years old.

[01:00:50]>> Do you like being 17?

[01:00:52]>> Uh it's like 17 is such a weird age.

[01:00:54]It's such a in the middle age. You're not 18 yet, and you're older than 16.

[01:00:59]>> But I like being this That's That's almost a Gumby, isn't it? It's It's like a low Gumby.

[01:01:04]>> Yeah. You could be 18 and then you get some more rights.

[01:01:06]>> Look at him touching his mouth.

[01:01:07]>> Well, 18 will bring lots of responsibilities that don't want, but it'll bring respect that I feel like >> This is what happens young black women.

[01:01:16]>> you know? I try to be as mature as I can be.

[01:01:18]>> Thanks.

[01:01:19]>> And demand it where I can get it, but 18 is like you are going to know >> Not subtle digs. [laughter] >> Like today when I had to sign a release form I felt so bad because I couldn't sign it myself I had to go and get my mother.

[01:01:30]>> Persona that he constructs.

[01:01:32]>> Beyond that because obviously clearly he's a great actor because he was the thuggiest [ __ ] in the world as far as we were concerned.

[01:01:38]>> It was a CIA construct. Much of the much of the pop rock music industry in general is a CIA construct. Cube used to talk about it. He'd come out and say that the CIA was handing out what the [ __ ] to sing and talk about.

[01:01:52]>> That's interesting. This has been going on for a long time.

[01:01:55]>> Some yesterday somebody told me they were hanging out at a bath playing basketball with a bunch of black dudes and a and white police pulled up and turn open up the car doors, turn up the music and we're playing [ __ ] the police.

[01:02:07]>> That's awesome.

[01:02:09]>> And they had a great time. Yeah.

[01:02:11]I love when police officers do [ __ ] like that.

[01:02:13]>> Yeah, they should be part of the community.

[01:02:16]>> I have a friend of mine who is a local police officer who when he pulls over crackheads he's like, all right, if you'll dance for me and let me record you I'll let you go.

[01:02:23]>> [laughter] >> Like we have some similar stories to tell about that, yeah.

[01:02:28]Kwon, thank you for today.

[01:02:31]>> You're welcome.

[01:02:31]>> Yeah.

[01:02:32]>> This is the most you've talked on the show.

[01:02:34]>> Yeah.

[01:02:35]And eight.

[01:02:36]>> We need to have a camera trained on you when that happens cuz so people can see how beautiful of a human you >> just Darth Vader in the background.

[01:02:44]>> [snorts] >> That's just me mouth breathing. Don't worry about it.

[01:02:50]Well, Matt, thank you for today. I was looking forward to this discussion. I knew this is what our show was going to be about primarily. I think I think a lot of people actually got our opinions and understand your perspective and mine and that's what the show is about that we can have political discourse and walk away great friends.

[01:03:06]People need to learn how to do that [ __ ] Just like Jackson Dart and Abdul Carter.

[01:03:10]>> I hope so.

[01:03:11]I want a Super Bowl ring.

[01:03:12]>> Well, not if you trade him you you're not getting one.

[01:03:16]>> I just want a ring. I didn't say it had be with him.

[01:03:18]>> I'll drag it to the [ __ ] Rams.

[01:03:19]Anyway.

[01:03:19]>> Yeah, crazy.

[01:03:21]>> Uh well, I am Derek. This is Matt.

[01:03:24]That's Quan. You were in our DMs. Please like and subscribe and share the show.

[01:03:29]Uh love you guys for tuning in. Have a great week.

[01:03:32]>> Thank you.

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