EP 134: How To Legally Build a 7-Figure Peptide Business w/ Coy McAlexander

Added: 2026-05-28

[00:00:00]I legitimately spend probably 2 to three hours a day just speaking to people, just shooting the [ __ ] about random things, industry tips, new things they're running, whatever it may be. And that I think is why we've been able to like jump to things as soon as they get hot. What you said there, I think, is 90% of the success I've had. I mean, the most recent thing obviously is Tellah Health, right?

[00:00:26]All right, guys. We got another one in the mix. A lot of you guys know this man. Some of you will not know this man, but uh this is Koi. Koi, I never know what to call you cuz you have multiple names.

[00:00:40]So Koi is my middle name.

[00:00:43]>> Got it.

[00:00:43]>> Yeah, Koi. Koi is my middle name. 90% of the time people call me Koi. The only people that actually say Garland, my first name, would be my mother.

[00:00:51]>> Even my dad calls me Koi. Everyone else Koi. Yeah.

[00:00:54]>> Yeah, that that's fair. I just like sometimes I like I I I screw up the names a lot and so I'm just going to go with what I know now and uh yeah, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but uh most people know you as Koi in this space. I feel like all your handles and everything are Koi. Uh when everyone references you, it's Koi. So uh yeah, here it is.

[00:01:13]>> Awesome, man. You know what? I'm excited to chat with you because like we um >> I I've heard about you in the space for for a long time and I didn't really meet you till >> essentially last year uh when you spoke at my event, but like you've been you just like kind of like showed up in the space randomly and then everyone's like, "Oh, have you heard what KO's doing?

[00:01:32]KO's doing all this stuff." And I'm like, "Who the [ __ ] is this Koi guy?" Um but you entered the space blazing, man.

[00:01:38]You did some crazy stuff. you put up some insane numbers as you can see by these plaques behind you. Um so I'm really excited to have you on and sort of get the rundown of how you found our space. Um how you got into it and how you sort of dominated it over the last like four or five years or is it a bit longer?

[00:01:57]>> No. So that's I mean the first time I really ran affiliate traffic >> Yeah.

[00:02:03]>> like heavy was January 2023.

[00:02:06]>> Dude, that's not that long ago.

[00:02:08]>> No, it's not that long ago. No.

[00:02:10]>> Yeah.

[00:02:10]>> Yeah.

[00:02:11]>> So, when you got into this, man, like we'll we'll dial it back to talk about like how you got into it, but I do want to like sort of get your first impressions as we're here. So, like you sort of found this space, you're like, "Oh, man. What what is this?" And then if you launched in 2023, I'm assuming that you hit something hard out of the park and you're just like, "This is amazing."

[00:02:31]>> Oh, it was ACA. ACA was like blazing 23.

[00:02:34]That was like, you know, prime time.

[00:02:35]Like, it was great.

[00:02:36]>> Yeah.

[00:02:37]>> Yeah. That's a good time to come in it too, right? Because like it's interesting. I just did a podcast earlier. We were talking about like how ACA was probably the biggest thing to happen to this industry in probably the last like six years, I'd say. Um, but it's interesting because it like I think that there were so many massive companies built around it and now you sort of like they have all this infrastructure. It's sort of like tailed off and they're like, "Okay, well now what we do?" And I think a lot of them went to like Medicare or whatever. I'm not too sure. Um >> but yeah man, so how about we dial in the back talk about how you sort of got into this space um all of three years ago and uh yeah go from there.

[00:03:16]>> Yeah. So it was by it was 100% by chance. So like before that I kind of bounced around you know I had done e-commerce um was really big into like SEO you know did like marketing consulting for companies.

[00:03:28]>> Yeah.

[00:03:28]>> Um then I had friends that were doing paper call like so I'm sure you've probably heard of them also. Aan Hagen, who they're still really heavy into the call stuff.

[00:03:39]>> Um, I randomly saw a story from Hagen >> and it was Ringa. It was a Ringba screenshot and I didn't even know what Rainbow was at that time. I had no idea.

[00:03:49]>> Um, and it was just like, you know, a live count like I was like 73 or something, right? What is this? Like what what is it? What are you running?

[00:03:57]>> Um, and that was like I want to say November or December of 2022.

[00:04:04]And then by chance we kind of all just, you know, connected on it. Um, and then yeah, literally that January is when I got started running the first like ACA paper call campaign.

[00:04:17]>> That's cool, man. You um was there a big learning curve for you or you're a pretty techy guy though, right? Yeah, I wouldn't say a huge learning curve because I mean it's like marketing is marketing like I mean yeah you have to look like yeah e-commerce is different from lead genen you know and even like lead genen I'd say different from paper call >> but like it's all the same thing it's like it's content right like 90% of its content the other 10% is bisdev >> um so it was pretty quick I mean the first month we did like a million dollars in revenue the very first month >> wow >> um yeah it was it was I mean we even had the like the capital to to support the ad spend I had actually found an ad account provider that was floating ad spend week by week for us >> because we were scaling so fast. Yeah.

[00:05:00]>> Yeah.

[00:05:00]>> Up to that point, was that like the most you've ever made in a month on something?

[00:05:05]>> Yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, besides like exiting a company.

[00:05:08]>> Yeah.

[00:05:08]>> Um and getting lucky with that. But yeah, like actual like month over month, that was the most like that was, >> you know, that was a tremendous like uptick.

[00:05:16]>> Yeah, that must have been a crazy feeling.

[00:05:18]>> Oh, dude, it was insane. It was like, you know, I I literally I message Adam out of the blue sometimes and I'm like, "Dude, like you don't realize this."

[00:05:25]Like sometimes >> three in the morning, you know, I've worked all night going to bed. I think to myself, I'm like, >> "This one thing has completely changed the like trajectory of my life." Like, absolutely. Like >> I had good success before, but this was like the next level.

[00:05:39]>> Yeah. You know what's so cool, man, is like like obviously that happened to you, but I hear that story so many times in this space, too. like it. I feel like the learning curve to get into it if if you don't have any previous knowledge of it is it's it's like anything. It takes a bit, but then once you have that first successful campaign, you're like, "This completely changed my life and view of how to make money, which is you can't say that about a lot of niches."

[00:06:06]>> No.

[00:06:07]>> So, it it's pretty cool. And I I think that it keeps it exciting as well, you know?

[00:06:11]>> Oh, 100%. Yeah. I mean, it's a roller coaster, right? You know, it's like there's that phrase like no crying at the casino, right? Well, I literally say to the affiliates like no crying in the roller coaster because it's like, >> you know, we like CMS, right? That big CMS change that came with ACA. We went from averaging even outside of OEP, like just, you know, SCP period, you special enrollment, we were still doing 10 to 12k calls a day. Um, and as soon as that CMS change came, it went to like 400 calls, you know, the next day. And then like you have all this overhead, right?

[00:06:46]You have all this staff, you know? I think we like 12 video editors at the time.

[00:06:51]>> Um >> Yeah, it's a lot.

[00:06:53]>> Yeah.

[00:06:53]>> And also just like dude and and no no shame to Ring here, but like dude, just the Ringa costs alone like unless you're like margins are there like that [ __ ] adds up real quick. Like and I can imagine the volume you guys were pushing your your Ringa costs were insane.

[00:07:07]>> Oh yeah. I mean multi6igure a year.

[00:07:09]Yeah.

[00:07:10]>> Yeah. It was a lot.

[00:07:11]>> Crazy. Crazy.

[00:07:12]>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's cool, man. So, like you How long did you run NCD4?

[00:07:17]Roughly?

[00:07:18]>> Oh, see, we started really tapering off.

[00:07:22]So, we hit it hard. 2023, really solidly 2024.

[00:07:27]>> Um, I'd say like 2024 OEP was pretty much the last big time. Really?

[00:07:34]>> Got it.

[00:07:35]>> Um, we had started pivoting to Medicare already like more heavily.

[00:07:39]>> Um, making that kind of the main thing.

[00:07:42]Yeah.

[00:07:42]>> Um which doesn't hit as hard as ACA.

[00:07:45]It's, you know, it's a little more reliable obviously at the time.

[00:07:48]>> Yeah.

[00:07:48]>> Um now it's a little less reliable.

[00:07:53]>> Yeah.

[00:07:53]>> Um but yeah, that was like their two biggest verticals. I mean like on ACA alone was about 60 million and then Medicare is close to 20 million.

[00:08:02]>> That's crazy.

[00:08:03]>> Yeah. Do you did you find it hard transitioning to Medicare with like and and I know that a lot of guys still run it sort of gray, but I know that they're much more anal than ACA is about stuff.

[00:08:14]So, was that kind of a tough transition to really have to dial things back?

[00:08:18]Probably like 80% essentially in terms of >> Yeah. You know, so I would say like, you know, if we're going to be honest here, I don't it's the with the pricing that buyers are willing to pay now for Medicare calls. Truthfully, I don't know anyone that would run 100% compliant.

[00:08:36]That's just a fact, right?

[00:08:37]>> No, for sure. For sure.

[00:08:39]>> Um, you know, if you like we looked at our RPCs like year-over-year, like the first year we ran Medicare very lightly, which was 2023.

[00:08:46]>> Like our RPCs were like 20 to $22, 2024 season was like 18 to 19.

[00:08:53]>> Yeah.

[00:08:53]>> This past season, >> like oh my god, 12 bucks, you know, like >> crazy.

[00:08:58]>> $13. And like that's actually considered good. But I know people that right now that are running at like5 to $6 RPC.

[00:09:04]>> Jeez.

[00:09:05]>> Um, you can't make a compliant call for that money. So compliance-wise though, it's like it's definitely more difficult because you have to be way more careful.

[00:09:16]Like way more careful.

[00:09:18]>> You have to, you know, obviously get your smids, you deal with all of that.

[00:09:22]You get to get your carrier optins. Like that's a almost a full-time position, someone just dealing with that. So >> yeah, >> you have to like either train up a VA or there's like a few guys in the industry that like consultants. You pay them like a flat fee per year. It's like 20K and they'll do everything for you for the year.

[00:09:38]>> Um but if you're doing it yourself, it's it's tough. It's really tough.

[00:09:44]Which is good. That's a moat, you know, and I love moes.

[00:09:48]>> Yeah. Good.

[00:09:49]>> Like that's why, you know, ACA got flooded, right? I mean everything with ACA died over because everyone in their mother was spamming ACA. They're still remote on Medicare.

[00:09:59]>> That's cool. Interesting. So, and and I don't run Medicare, so I I don't really know, but um >> do you find that the call centers are are capable of like spinning up some gray hat stuff? Like they understand what people are coming in on just like they did on ACA and being like, "Oh yeah, we can pivot this from like, oh, I'm getting a free car spend card to like, oh yeah, we can close this."

[00:10:22]>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, because at least at least the thing with Medicare is like there are actual money give back programs unlike ACA, right?

[00:10:30]>> Yeah.

[00:10:30]>> You know, ACA obviously was all like the health card and like people were, you know, obviously grocery balance doesn't exist. At least with Medicare, there's like something called like part B give back. There's also legitimately a flex card, you know, that can be spent on, you know, groceries.

[00:10:47]>> Um I found a really good angle that we ran last year. Yeah. Um that was uh it was Lazy Boy chairs because there's a there's a medical lazy boy chair that qualifies under Medicare.

[00:11:00]>> Yeah.

[00:11:01]>> So literally we were we were running an angle where it was like hey you know you can get up on Medicare and get your free Lazy Boy chair uh if you need like assistance getting up because it's like a lift chair, right?

[00:11:13]>> Yeah.

[00:11:13]>> Um and that crushed. I mean >> Oh, dude. That's my Lazy Boy, too.

[00:11:17]>> Yeah. Exactly. Right. You know, but that's the thing. It's like you have to find these really like niche, you know, ideas to like push traffic to.

[00:11:25]>> Yeah. The niche and the niche. I mean, that that makes sense. That's like most things, right? Like >> Yeah.

[00:11:30]>> Yeah.

[00:11:30]>> I mean, what what like 65 plus year old doesn't want a lazy boy, you know? It's like that's like their target audience.

[00:11:36]>> 100%. Dude, I want a lazy boy.

[00:11:39]>> That's how I knew I turned 30. I was like, "Oh, I'm going to go to the Lazy Boy store."

[00:11:43]>> They just look terrible, but like I don't I mean, >> give give me one. Maybe maybe we're like massages me too.

[00:11:50]>> Exactly. Yeah.

[00:11:51]>> Oh, that's funny, man. All right.

[00:11:53]>> All right, guys. Just want to take a quick second to interrupt this podcast.

[00:11:56]I know it's a real good one. And we will turn it back on in two seconds. But I just wanted to let you know that I have moved all my course, all my videos, everything has been moved to a school group. So, it's a lower ticket cost.

[00:12:08]It's a monthly subscription. So, if you wanted to get into lead genen or look how to take things to the next level, uh links below, sign up to the school group. I'm in there. I do weekly calls.

[00:12:19]We can dig into your campaigns if you want. I will do whatever you need to get you profitable. And I am good at it.

[00:12:25]Just go look at all the testimonials.

[00:12:27]People are crushing in there. So, hope to see you in there. And uh back to the episode. Hope you enjoy it. Let's fast forward a little bit. And what are we working on today? Cuz like one thing that's like I've noticed in the short time that that we've been chatting, man, is you're always kind of on to the next thing. you you have your ear to the ground with with a lot of stuff in multiple nich different niches, not just like lead genen and calls, but like you kind of know the the ecosystem that is either like affiliate marketing or like black hat, gray hat, um, white hat, all the good stuff. So, let's dive into what you're on to now and what you're kind of excited about.

[00:13:02]>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, what you said there, I think, is 90% of the success I've had, which is I legitimately spend probably two to three hours a day just speaking to people, like just shooting the [ __ ] about random things, industry, you know, tips, new things they're running, whatever it may be. And that I think is why we've been able to like jump to things as soon as they get hot. But yes, I mean, the most recent thing obviously is tellahalth, right? You tell health has blown up. Um, I started tell SAS, you know, for people to make brands. Um, you know, super a super white hat. You know, it's probably the most white hat thing I've ever done because everything's everything's regulated, right? You know, it's licensed. It's, you know, doctors writing prescriptions. It's um, you know,ies actually doing prescriptions from the doctor. So, um, super awesome industry. Definitely growing year-over-year. Um, it's I mean, it's pretty tremendous. I'm sure a lot of people have seen Medvy, that article that came out about Medvy >> where it was like two guys in AI in some VA 1.8 billion revenue.

[00:14:08]>> Um, >> it's crazy. I thought it was funny how many people were like hating on him for the like >> the fake doctors and stuff and I'm like, you clearly don't understand history.

[00:14:20]>> Yeah.

[00:14:20]>> So, I, you know, I don't hate him for that. What I will say, absolute just, you know, I'm going to be honest, dumbass behavior.

[00:14:28]>> Yeah. Why would you go to New York Times to write a fluff piece about yourself and your company >> thing >> when you have fake doctors?

[00:14:39]>> Yeah.

[00:14:39]>> Um apparently some of the doctors writing prescriptions didn't even work for the doctor network anymore. They were being autopinned in.

[00:14:45]>> Oh, crazy.

[00:14:46]>> So, you know, now they have multiple class action lawsuits against them. Um they got an FDA warning letter on top of that. They lost a legit script. I don't know if they got it back as of this call, but they did lose it.

[00:14:58]>> Yeah.

[00:14:59]>> You know, they cut all the affiliates, all the traffic.

[00:15:02]>> Like, you know, if I'm doing that much revenue, I'm shutting up. I'm taking my payday >> and I'll go talk about it five years from now, you know, on a podcast just like I talk about ACA.

[00:15:15]>> Yeah, for sure. I would rather be rich and unknown, you know, than >> Oh, 100%. Always better. Yeah. Always better.

[00:15:22]>> That's you'll know I made it. I'm just disappearing off everything, you know, social.

[00:15:25]>> Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

[00:15:27]>> You can't find me.

[00:15:28]>> 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:30]>> Yeah. But that's smart. So, were they what were they mostly pushing? Um, was it all like GLPs and stuff?

[00:15:35]>> It was GLP and ED medication. So, >> there's like, you know, before it used to be generic Viagra, right? But now it's like >> there's these threein ones, but they're adding like an ingredient called epomorphine, and they're also adding oxytocin to it. So, you have these 4 in one drugs now.

[00:15:50]>> Sign me up.

[00:15:50]>> Um, yeah, dude. Like they're crazy. And they have like all like there's not like a liquid you can just drink it. There's chewing gum. Like it's it's totally different from you. I call it dad's Viagra, right? It's like >> Yeah.

[00:16:02]>> You know, it takes four hours to work.

[00:16:04]It's like, no, there's a chewing gum.

[00:16:05]It's like 15 minutes.

[00:16:06]>> Oh, that's amazing.

[00:16:07]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:08]>> I'm in.

[00:16:09]>> So, it's really easy to market.

[00:16:11]>> Oh, for sure.

[00:16:12]>> Yeah. It's so easy to market. Just be like, "Oh, hey, pop this chewing gum in after dinner." You go on a date, pop the chewing gum in. Boom.

[00:16:18]>> You know, new method of action right there. Why are people going to start making pouches? You know, a little nicotine, a little Viagra in there.

[00:16:25]>> That's actually Hey, we work withies for custom formulations. Maybe I'll I'll mention that to them.

[00:16:30]>> There you go. I would love a spearmint boner, you know.

[00:16:32]>> Yeah, exactly. A little a little a little zeny boner. Yeah, Zimbabwe boner.

[00:16:37]Yeah, >> I love it.

[00:16:39]>> But dude, it's a it's a great it really is an awesome ministry, you know. It's like I ran so I how I got into I ran affiliate for Medv last year.

[00:16:47]>> Yeah. Um, it was really good. You know, we were doing a few hundred sales a day for them on GLPs.

[00:16:53]>> Um, you know, I obviously have just been like investigating kind of the next big thing to get into after kind of phasing out of paper call.

[00:17:04]>> Um, you know, we did e-commerce and that was kind of like a jump between. Um, you know, we did we did e-commerce, we did like subscribe and save. We also did, you know, a VIP club rebuilds, >> um, which has a very wide spectrum of how white to black you want to get on that.

[00:17:20]>> Yeah.

[00:17:20]>> Um, it's all over the place.

[00:17:23]>> You have guys doing crazy [ __ ] Their risk tolerance is far greater than I would be being a US citizen.

[00:17:31]>> Yeah.

[00:17:32]>> Um, and then there's like a middle ground, which I think is like the good place to be, you know?

[00:17:36]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:36]>> Um I think I think about it a lot like um on the GLP front anyway is like >> kind of how we used to run like Garcinia Cambosia or Green Coffee or stuff like that, you know, like the the articles with the celeb before and afters just not deep fakes, but actual usage of what's really out there. Like >> I think it's it it writes itself essentially.

[00:18:01]>> Oh, 100%. Yeah. I mean that's exactly what it is. It's like I I saw some ads recently for h for GLP um and these people it wasn't even like they were obviously talking about weight loss but they were hitting the addiction side point of it >> amazing >> um because you know that was like in the studies right where people taking these GLPs stopped drinking they stopped smoking they stopped gambling >> like people that were like heavy drug stopped using heavy drugs like just by a side effect of it. Mhm.

[00:18:33]>> Um >> that's cheaper to go to rehab, I'm sure, too.

[00:18:36]>> Oh, dude, it's cra I mean, rehab's crazy expensive. It's like 12 grand a month without insurance. Like >> crazy.

[00:18:41]>> Um but yeah, they were hitting like these these addiction angles being like, "Oh, hey, are you a smoker?"

[00:18:46]>> And like, "Are you a drinker?" And like you want to lose weight and like stop drinking and like that was their that was their angle. They were and it looked like they were crushing according to, you know, the comments and the like. So >> yeah, really interesting.

[00:18:58]>> That's genius. And that's like that's the cool thing about this this industry, man, is like people are creative as [ __ ] And if there's an angle in there, someone's going to find it, right? And like >> yeah, I think I think that also makes the difference between a a good marketer and a bad marketer, too. Like bad marketers are just copying everything that's out there. But like >> yeah, the good guys are digging in and finding other angles.

[00:19:19]>> So many arguments so many arguments when we're running ECA heavy because everyone was ripping our [ __ ] everyone.

[00:19:26]>> You know, I I I make a joke and so Hagen Hagen is black, right? And there's not there's not a lot of black guys in affiliate.

[00:19:33]>> Yeah.

[00:19:34]>> And it's funny because we used to say he's the most prolific black hand in ACA because he would always do our B-roll >> like holding up the cards and everything >> and like so we immediately knew when someone was ripping your ad because it would be his hand, right?

[00:19:50]>> Yeah. And I'm like I there was like three or four black guys I know running ACA. Him obviously us being one of them.

[00:19:57]It was his hand every time. I still see his hand. I literally still at B-roll that we filmed back in like early 2023.

[00:20:05]I still see his hand in B-roll on Facebook.

[00:20:08]>> That's amazing. Well, I mean to be fair, the black people convert. Like we still run a little bit of ACA and it's like >> Oh, 100%. Yeah. I mean that's just a >> minorities. Yeah.

[00:20:18]>> So >> I get it. But but he's got a famous hand, man. Welcome.

[00:20:21]>> He does. He's got a famous hand. And I used to go up to >> Yeah. 100% man. I used to like, you know, like I'm very polarizing in like the Philly community because I'm very outspoken.

[00:20:32]>> Yeah.

[00:20:33]>> I used to go up to people at shows and be like, "Why you [ __ ] ripping my ads?"

[00:20:37]>> And like I would th I mean, sure, I would threaten people. I'm like, "Hey, this next ad that we launch, I'm going to go register the copyright. I'm going to pay two grand to register the copyright." And so when you post it, you've now stolen registered copyright material.

[00:20:49]>> Yeah.

[00:20:50]>> I'm going to sue you for everything you have.

[00:20:52]>> That's so funny.

[00:20:53]>> Yeah. I dude I would get so pissed off.

[00:20:55]Like we would >> we would see people we would launch something four hours later it's duped.

[00:21:00]>> Oh jeez. Yeah. It's >> it's tough, man. And it's like >> Yeah. Affiliates have no shame. And like >> Oh, 100%. Yeah. Rip and run. I mean that's that's the thing, right? That's the joke is like always rip and run. And it's like if you're down bad, >> rip and run. Find the offer. Copy the creative.

[00:21:17]>> Dude, even like dude, even in my course, I tell people I'm like, "You should rip and run first if you don't know what the [ __ ] is going on." Like, you need to sort of understand the boundaries of like what can be pushed.

[00:21:27]>> See, that's the that's I agree. If like I see someone has ripped something and I can tell they're not scaling it, right?

[00:21:32]There's like two there's two duplications of it, >> a little bit of views. You can tell even based off their lander like these guys don't know what they're doing.

[00:21:40]>> Yeah. What I hate knowing is when I see it ripped and it's duped out 200 times, >> you know, and it's like >> the person's printing.

[00:21:48]>> Yeah.

[00:21:48]>> Yeah. And then you do a spy on it, right? You pay your Facebook spy guy, you get the spy, >> you find the the the card attached to it, you find the name of the person, you're like, "Come on, man. You've been doing this longer than I have."

[00:22:00]>> Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah.

[00:22:01]>> All right. And so let's go back to your uh your new platform, your new setup here and kind of about who it's for and uh what you're kind of hoping to achieve with it besides >> Yeah. So namedora, which was kind of like a combination of like Latin, you know, like remedy. Um >> yeah, >> and it's I think we've made >> obviously a little bias here. I think we've made the best platform possible.

[00:22:25]Like I spent a ton of time in Shopify over the years.

[00:22:29]>> Yeah. Yeah, >> I tried to mimic that as much as possible from like an operator standpoint of like, okay, I sign up. How hard is it to get started actually selling something like we famously tell people like you can sign up and literally have a funnel ready to sell within the hour.

[00:22:47]>> Amazing.

[00:22:48]>> Like a 1 hour turnaround time.

[00:22:50]Obviously, if you have to get legit script that adds processing time for that, but if you are coming in with Legit Script, it's literally a one hour launch time. Mhm.

[00:22:57]>> Um, all the funnels are really oneclick deploy, you know, all the questions are pre-populated. Everything is like inside the platform. There's nothing you have to connect externally.

[00:23:07]>> Um, it's so easy.

[00:23:10]>> That's cool. Interesting. That's really cool. So, >> yeah.

[00:23:13]>> Um, how long does it take to get legit shift? Because I know sometimes it can be a little bit of a pain in the ass, but >> So, we're lucky that we have an enterprise relationship with them. So if you go through us, our turnaround time right now is about 10 to 11 days.

[00:23:28]>> That's and it saves $1,000 also to get it. So because it's expedited. So we we basically we pay upfront to legit script for like 40 to 50 codes at a time.

[00:23:39]>> Oh wow.

[00:23:40]>> Um which gets a like bulk discount and it gets you like this enterprise relationship. Obviously you have to put up a ton of money to do that.

[00:23:47]>> Yeah. Um, but it gets you a relationship because if you don't, you're waiting two or three months for a legit script.

[00:23:53]>> That's awesome.

[00:23:54]>> All right. So, like let's say I hit you up on Telegram like >> Coy, I want to do this. I want to go after this. What are you suggesting in terms of like uh products I should be launching, um, what I should be starting with and sort of how to go about running it? Yeah, ED medication first because there's so many creative ways you can do to advertise that because there's so many different types. There's typical pill, there's like the dissolvables, there's the chewing gum, there's the liquid, right? There's so many different methods.

[00:24:25]>> Um, people are getting insanely creative with that.

[00:24:28]>> Yeah.

[00:24:28]>> Uh, followed by that, funny enough, actually, and obviously I'm going to preface this by saying this is not medical advice. Yeah.

[00:24:34]>> Uh, with the HANA virus scare and everything going on, Ivormect is crushing. I don't know if you've heard of Ivormectin before, >> dude. I have. I even told my wife I'm like, "Should we just stock up on this [ __ ] just in case something happens?"

[00:24:47]I'm like, >> "Yeah, >> I don't know, man. It's funny how during co everyone's like, "No, this doesn't do shit." Now everyone's like, "Oh, this is like a miracle drug that solves problems." Dude, there's companies out there. I There's a company out there that did their own study um recently that they funded a study like addressing cancer and like they're using it and like in a cancer trial now.

[00:25:10]>> I saw that >> which you know three years ago you would say anything about ivormectin be like oh it's horse pace it's horse base it's horse base right >> now doctors like our doctor network has no problem prescribing um has no problem prescribing ivormectin for like pretty much anything. Right.

[00:25:28]>> Yeah.

[00:25:28]>> Uh even like emergency preparedness.

[00:25:31]>> Yeah. I'm like big on the conspiracy stuff and I and I love getting into that [ __ ] you know? So like >> I don't know. I I've seen a bunch of the cancer videos about it and I'm like they would never promote this because it's just so cheap. Like isn't I like cheap as [ __ ] Like >> Yeah. So I mean to get it from like an typically most most of our clients I think are charging for a bottle. Oh god it's a great question actually. I think for like actual prescription of I want to go charge him like 60 bucks for a bottle of like 30ish. Yeah.

[00:26:01]>> Compared to like chemo or something, you know, it's like it's quite a bit.

[00:26:04]>> Exactly. Exactly. Right. And it's like obviously like when you like they go through the intake form, doctor's not telling them to stop, you know, >> any like treatment or anything, but >> Yeah. A lot of people are supplementing it, right? They're supplementing it on because there's really there's no side effects for it.

[00:26:20]>> But it's a super hot item right now. you know, we've got multiple brands crushing on it.

[00:26:24]>> Yeah.

[00:26:24]>> Um >> I found out, you know, through looking at a um a competitor brand for someone, this TWWC brand, they're doing 30,000 consults a month um for ivormectin, which if you consider 30,000, you know, the average order value because most people are buying a year up front, so they're paying like over a grand for that.

[00:26:49]>> Yeah. Um the average order value is like 700 bucks and times 30,000.

[00:26:54]>> Wow. They are printing on that, right?

[00:26:56]>> Yeah.

[00:26:57]>> That must be insane margin too. Like from the pharmacy side of things.

[00:27:02]>> Oh, theiesies like it's actually crazy.

[00:27:04]I mean like you know we're we're basically we're trying to fully vertically integrate, right? So I'm already shopping for a pharmacy right now.

[00:27:11]>> I just went and looked at one in South Florida that's like licensed in you know 46 states.

[00:27:15]>> Um you know 503A compounding pharmacy.

[00:27:18]>> Yeah. Because yeah, thearmacies their net margins are like 30 to 40%. For like every single medication, which is insane, 30 to 40% in a white business.

[00:27:28]>> Yeah.

[00:27:29]>> That's growing year over year.

[00:27:31]>> Yeah. It's not going to shrink either, you know? It's like >> um is it hard to buy a pharmacy? Like besides the funding part like >> if it's already licensed, it's easy as long as you have like your your head pharmacist. So it's actually way easier than I thought. So >> interesting. if you so basically these compounding pharmacies you only need one actual pharmacists on staff >> and >> and all the other people can be pharmacy techs or like compounding techs they don't need to be licensed pharmacists >> so you just need your head pharmacists there maybe two if you want to have you know like different rotating you're like working seven days a week >> um >> but if they're already licensed in the states it's very easy actually >> um if you try to start your own obviously you have more control over everything but you have to go to every single state and get licensed.

[00:28:20]>> And some of these states are a real pain in the ass, like California.

[00:28:24]>> Um, and California is awful to deal with. They fly people out to your pharmacy, literally from California, like out of the blue. They want you to do things their way, not like, you know, a federal way.

[00:28:35]>> Um, >> yeah, >> but >> they're trying to sell guns in California, you know.

[00:28:39]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. That's actually probably the closest analogy I would say is guns. Um, but it's it's not too bad. Um, >> I don't know why my camera died, but I'm still here.

[00:28:53]>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's really not too bad. Um, uh, I I would say like second to California is like South Carolina randomly is also like awful. Um, >> that's weird. I wouldn't expect that out of that state, but >> yeah, it is kind of weird. So, you know, it was it was a few states that came up as like problem states. I was like, "Oh, that's weird." Like Louisiana also, >> I'm like, "What does Louisiana care about?" Like pharmacies. Like, >> yeah, >> interesting.

[00:29:22]>> But yeah, Julie speaking, I mean, it's it's just money, right? Like the for I mean, full disclosure, like the pharmacy we're looking at buying um that's licensed in 46 states is 1.8 million asking right now.

[00:29:33]>> That seems cheap to me.

[00:29:35]>> So, that is for only non-sterile. They don't do sterile. So, when you add in sterile, which is injectables, that obviously adds >> Yeah. Um, we're mostly looking for a non-sale pharmacy to start because sterile is a whole another set of licensing on top of non-sterile.

[00:29:53]>> So, I would like to as my break into get into a non-sterile, you can supply all the ED medication, you know, you can supply like the RX skin care stuff, I medapanil, um, things like that, ketamine therapy for example, right?

[00:30:07]>> Oh, crazy. Um >> and then grow into like h building out a sterile room.

[00:30:14]>> Interesting. Got it.

[00:30:16]>> Interesting. Um do you have to have like insane insurance for a place like that >> for a pharmacy? Yeah, you have to have multiple different and for for the platform we have in general it's like we have to carry like you know specific cyber insurance, security liability insurance.

[00:30:31]Sorry. We carry a special HIPPA insurance.

[00:30:35]Um, even though we are cash only, we don't take insurance, we still maintain HIPPA compliance.

[00:30:42]>> Got it.

[00:30:42]>> Just because being HIPPA compliant means that you're never going to have an issue.

[00:30:47]>> Um, if we were taking insurance, that's actually a federal law to be HIPPA compliant.

[00:30:51]>> Got it.

[00:30:52]>> Um, but we do it anyway. It's just like it's one of those things where >> it's a buy once, cry once. You know, now we can say, "Hey, we're HIPPA compliant.

[00:31:00]>> We know the people coming to the platform. Nothing's getting leaked.

[00:31:03]everything solid. You're not gonna have to worry about >> like Open Loop, for example, leaked 1.6 million patient records or something like that.

[00:31:11]>> Geez.

[00:31:12]>> Class action lawsuit against them right now. There's like a Rico lawsuit against them for selling alleged like fake oral GLPs, you know? It's like, >> oh, damn.

[00:31:23]>> Yeah, it's And so Open Loop was the supplier for Medvy, by the way. That's how that started.

[00:31:28]>> Oh, damn. So, Medv is really just screwing up everyone's [ __ ] >> Yeah. Oh, 100%. 100%. Yeah.

[00:31:34]>> Damn, that's too bad.

[00:31:36]>> I wonder what's gonna happen to that guy.

[00:31:39]>> I don't know. You know, I don't know how much they actually netted, right? You know, I don't know how how much they were banking on LTV.

[00:31:45]>> You know, it's because that's the name of the game here, right? Most people are running negative first month, sometimes even second month, and they're banking off LTV.

[00:31:53]>> Yeah.

[00:31:53]>> Um if you're running super negative and all of a sudden your pipeline gets cut, >> that's a problem.

[00:32:00]>> Yeah, that's a big problem. So, what what are some of the like the margins you see on some of the like let's say call it the ED stuff and I know there's a vast range of ED stuff but I know that you know the front end metrics but I because I and I think that that's going to be valuable to a lot of people on here as well because I know a lot of people have ran GLP and there was a time where you could make it work at like a $300 payout or >> a $200 payout but I I' I've from what I hear times have changed on that and you need to be getting paid a little bit more. Um, so on the ED front, what kind of margins are you looking at? If like I was to go set up a store, I got my marketing dialed in. And I don't mean off the rip. I understand it's going to take work to get stuff dialed, but >> um, what kind of margins are you sort of seeing there?

[00:32:40]>> Yeah. So the bet, let me start off by saying, so we actually have now six months of data for LTV.

[00:32:48]>> Um, and when I say LTV, I mean basically drop off rate because every store charges different amount. Some stores go for the lowest price, some stores go for premium experience. So for GLP, roughly it's like 68 and change percent people are on GLP still at month six. So almost 70% of the people that you sell to will be on your subscription by month six still.

[00:33:11]>> Oh, crazy.

[00:33:11]>> Um and we actually just got month seven.

[00:33:13]Month seven is like half a point less.

[00:33:15]So it's about the same.

[00:33:16]>> Yeah.

[00:33:16]>> Um so from there, uh ED medication is about 50% of people are still on it by month six.

[00:33:25]>> Yeah. Um, and then for ivormectin, that's a more recent addition. The three month for ivormectin was like 80% of people are still subscribing to ivormectin.

[00:33:34]Um, which is insane to me. Uh, I don't know why they >> dosing it regularly. Like it's like, >> yeah, I think it's a combination of people are dosing it regularly or they're wanting to they're wanting to get so much of it, but they don't have the money to pay the bulk fee up front to get 12 month supply, >> right? So, they're basically just saying subscribe to it >> and they're paying this monthly fee instead.

[00:34:00]>> Um, which we're actually about to fix soon because we're actually about to add CLA >> like pay over time.

[00:34:06]>> It's like a pay over time.

[00:34:07]>> Got it. Got it. That's cool.

[00:34:08]>> So, people can pay a year up front.

[00:34:10]Yeah.

[00:34:11]>> But yeah, so I mean for ED again, you know, it's hard to say raw percentages because like I said, everyone is going for different businesses. They're going for either more expensive premium product, premium feel. You know, we have some people that are at enough volume that thearmacies that we work with are actually supplying custom boxes and packaging for them now.

[00:34:32]>> Oh, that's cool.

[00:34:33]>> Um, and they do that for free if you hit a certain, you know, volume metric.

[00:34:37]That's >> um but generally speaking, like from a operator standpoint, most people I know are making like they're netting over the lifetime, they're making anywhere from like $300 to like $450 per customer that comes into the funnel.

[00:34:54]>> That's like profit.

[00:34:56]>> Got it. So essentially, you're you're coming in probably at a loss to begin with, but then you're making the money on the subscription.

[00:35:00]>> Yeah. I've only seen >> Yeah. I've really only seen one person ever make it work on the first month and they were running some very aggressive things.

[00:35:10]>> Um, >> yeah, cuz we don't I mean, you know, we don't see the people's ads or anything, right? It's like >> we're completely agnostic to it. Like I even stopped running affiliate just so I'm not a competitor to anyone coming in.

[00:35:23]>> Yeah.

[00:35:23]>> Um, we only see, you know, basically the backend data of like here's a lifetime value for the store. Um but yeah, ED ED is definitely easier than GLP because it doesn't require as much cash up front because the CPAs are obviously cheaper.

[00:35:38]>> Yeah.

[00:35:39]>> Um like you were saying, GLP has gotten to a point where it's definitely more expensive and you have to find kind of these like new mechanisms like I said like the uh the addiction side.

[00:35:49]>> Yeah.

[00:35:49]>> Um >> things like that. Yeah. I feel like once RETA is like approved by the FDA, that's going to pop off.

[00:35:58]>> Fun fact, there are multiple 503AIries currently compounding reatide and doctors will prescribe it.

[00:36:05]>> Interesting. And how like and it's fully legal to do that. Like it doesn't matter.

[00:36:10]>> Yeah. So, dude, man, I've I've dove into this with multiple attorneys and like my own research, you know, 4 a.m. with AI.

[00:36:19]>> Yeah. So the FDA works two ways. There's the legal side of the FDA and the policy side of the FDA. The policy side of the FDA is almost like a strongly worded letter of it's like a civil side, right?

[00:36:36]Where um for example, reut is a great example where there's people compounding it. So the state board are the state board of health in Texas >> Yeah. is allowing Texasarmacies to compound reducide because at the state level yeah at the state level it's allowed right >> currently from the FDA it's on a I forgot what list is the category one or category two list where it's not allowed to be compounded >> now that list is on a law >> like the the definition of the list like and how they brought it into you being in existence was a law that was passed passed. It was actually passed because it was the I forgot what year it was and like the exact name of the law, but it got started to regulate combatingies because there was a big outbreak of menitis years ago from sterile comboundingies because it was kind of a wild wild west.

[00:37:33]>> Interesting.

[00:37:34]>> So you have like this, you know, this list of like, hey, don't do this, which is why, for example, Medv, they didn't get in criminal trouble from the FDA.

[00:37:43]They got a warning letter.

[00:37:45]>> Oh, nice. be like, "Hey, stop doing this."

[00:37:48]>> Um, so, you know, I'm not an attorney. I can't say for sure what what is right and what is wrong.

[00:37:53]>> If the doctor is willing to write a prescription for it and take that liability and the pharmacy is willing to compound it and take that liability, we are willing to be the connector and facilitate it, >> right?

[00:38:05]>> Yeah. I mean, that that's fair, man. And like from what I do know, the people that have t taken Rea, like it's been a game changer. So, >> I'm excited to see that come come out because I think it's going to change a lot of people's lives.

[00:38:16]>> The phase 3 extended just got released I think today or yesterday.

[00:38:20]>> Total average weight loss was 30%.

[00:38:23]>> That's insane.

[00:38:24]>> Which is absolutely ins I mean that's that's higher than anything else that's ever come out.

[00:38:29]>> Yeah, that's crazy.

[00:38:30]>> That's super cool. So, and that I think it's going to be coming out soon. So, I feel like that market itself is going to be absolutely insane because like if you follow like peptide bros on Instagram, they're just like aring on that every day.

[00:38:42]>> Oh, dude. I mean, like I started taking peptides, right? You know, just like recently.

[00:38:46]>> Yeah.

[00:38:47]>> I mean, the same, right? It's like, you know, I literally I just started rea like recently also. I've already dropped like 15 pounds just like like that. Like >> um it's you know, and for me it's been no side effects, right?

[00:38:59]>> And you know, I I dove deep into the peptides, right? I'm in my I'm in my mid-30s now, >> you know.

[00:39:05]>> I was like, you know what? Why not?

[00:39:06]Whatever. YOLO. You know, I'm going to start injecting random random random [ __ ] into my body, you know.

[00:39:11]>> Yeah. I do a lot of I do copper. I do the the G >> GHK. Yeah. Trying to look >> younger and possibly get some hairline back. And then I also um I've done the BPC. I've done um what else have I done?

[00:39:26]>> The MC. I'm going to go down I just I went down the rabbit hole of uh fixing your mitochondria and that's probably my next cycle.

[00:39:34]>> SS31 you have to do it.

[00:39:36]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:39:38]>> I try not to stack too much stuff because I want to understand how each of them working. But >> SS31 I'm not even kidding the most profound effect of any medication I've ever taken.

[00:39:48]>> Interesting. SS31. Okay.

[00:39:50]>> I you know cuz I stay up late like I don't know why that's I'm a night owl, right? You know 3 in the morning is like my average bedtime. I still wake up at 8 or 9:00 am every day.

[00:39:59]>> Yeah.

[00:39:59]>> Um I used to kind of get that afternoon slump, you know, 2 3 p.m.

[00:40:04]>> Yeah.

[00:40:04]>> Um I did a cycle of SS31.

[00:40:08]It completely changed my energy levels.

[00:40:11]Like I was 10, 15 years younger again.

[00:40:14]>> I need that [ __ ] man.

[00:40:15]>> Yeah, 100%. It was crazy. It was >> Yeah.

[00:40:18]>> I thought like I'm like, do they like put Am I injecting aderal right now or something? Like >> Oh, amazing.

[00:40:24]>> You know, it was crazy. It was awesome.

[00:40:26]>> That's so cool.

[00:40:28]>> That's super cool, man. Yeah. All right.

[00:40:30]So, um I got I still have a couple questions for you. I still want But if someone wants to sign up on your platform, get started, um what's the best way to do so and and what's roughly the like initial cost to get to get going?

[00:40:43]>> Yeah. So, that's a big point for you.

[00:40:46]>> Yeah, it is. It is. Um Yeah. So, just go to the website and then submit the form and basically you get put into an onboarding process. Um, it's, you know, remodor.com.

[00:40:56]Uh, I'm sure we could put the link somewhere.

[00:40:58]>> Yeah, we'll drop some links.

[00:40:59]>> Yeah. Um, so the platform fee starts at only 200 a month. Just get started with that.

[00:41:04]>> The Legit Script fee is the expensive part. It's 5K.

[00:41:08]>> Yeah.

[00:41:09]>> Um, that's cheaper than if you go direct with them.

[00:41:11]>> If you already have Legit Script, obviously that just transfers over because it's tied to the domain.

[00:41:16]>> Yeah.

[00:41:17]>> Um, but 200 a month to get started, man.

[00:41:19]And there's no hidden transactional fees or anything, >> man. I think, like I said, we built the best platform. We definitely are the cheapest entry. You know, I I went to all the competitors and set up calls with them essentially to find out what their costs are.

[00:41:33]>> Dude, some of these are like 15 20k to get started, $2,500 a month to get started, 5k a month to get started per month.

[00:41:41]>> It's hard to launch into a new business when your overhead is already you're 10, 15k deep into it.

[00:41:46]>> Yeah. What I think is cool about this though is like just like building like an ecom brand, you're actually building something real and for and for that little money to get started like the legit script and everything like that.

[00:42:00]Like realistically at the end of the day, you're going to be in it for like six grand, let's say, started going in the first month or so.

[00:42:08]>> Um, >> and I just think that this is only going to grow as time goes on. there's going to be way more stuff that you can market, way more stuff that you can compound. And I think that there's always going to be sort of like a new drug or a new peptide or something like that. So, it makes a lot of sense to get going on it now and sort of figure out the market and create a brand around it.

[00:42:25]Um I I feel like it's going to be the sort of the next like dropshipping with higher payouts in a sense.

[00:42:31]>> Well, that's I mean that's what I explained to people, right? It's like this is e-commerce. people call teleahalth but like >> listen we're not doing like oh I'm sick and I need to talk to a doctor to get an antibiotic you know we're doing e-commerce essentially >> like you are marketing a product that someone wants or doesn't know what they want >> explaining to them >> and putting them through a flow like >> it's there's nothing different about it >> and you made a great point about the peptides right we've already got some of the peptides that can be sold you know there's a lot more coming and I think it's kind of a you know this this new wave of peptides overtook GLPs for you know um for like Google trends >> like sure GLP is a peptide but people put them in different boxes right even though it is still a peptide people like GLP have been peptides >> um but it overtook for interest you know it's crazy right now >> and it's only going to get more >> it's it's only growing we're only seeing more and more people talk about it It's all over Twitter. It's all over Reddit.

[00:43:37]You know, people are scaling channels on Tik Tok and YouTube only talking about peptides now.

[00:43:43]>> And 90% of those people >> are advocating for like, you know, the research use only from China.

[00:43:51]>> Three months will come after, you know, you start taking it and it's like, oh [ __ ] this had lead in it.

[00:43:57]>> You know, it's like, >> no, man. Like the next step is 100% legalization of it.

[00:44:04]making brands and getting people what they want.

[00:44:06]>> I agree. And I also think as time goes on, people have way less faith in our medical system, our doctors. They're starting to realize of what it really is. And people are just taking stuff into their own hands. Like even for me and my ch my kid stuff, I research the [ __ ] out of everything before I give anything to my son. My wife's the same.

[00:44:25]And like I would honestly rather read multiple Reddit threads and then like do my own research than like go to a doctor and be like, "You know what? We're gonna prescribed you these five [ __ ] things for $1,000 a month >> and it might fix one of your problems."

[00:44:39]So >> yeah. Yeah. 100%.

[00:44:41]>> I feel the whole world's transferring that way and just there's >> I think that's why it's >> Yeah, I think that's why it's blown up so much >> because there's, you know, first of all, healthcare costs are insane, right? you know, like for me and my family it's like two grand a month for insurance.

[00:44:55]>> Yeah.

[00:44:56]>> Um which is just [ __ ] mind-blowing.

[00:44:58]Like that's insanity.

[00:45:00]>> Um it's got to the point where it's like I told him next year I'm like, "Dude, I'm not going to even like get insurance for myself. I'll get insurance for you guys." Like who cares, right? It's like I'm taking I'm injecting stuff in myself now. You know, I've already taken that leap.

[00:45:12]>> We're going to be super bad in 12 months. We're good.

[00:45:14]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's I think that's why people have taken to wanting to fix things themselves, right? And do their own research.

[00:45:24]>> Obviously comes with misinformation.

[00:45:26]There's so much information out there, peptides.

[00:45:29]>> You know, there's so many studies done.

[00:45:30]Obviously, most of them are are rat studies, you know, lab studies.

[00:45:34]>> There's not a lot of human trials yet for a lot of these.

[00:45:37]>> Basically, if you take them, you are the human trial.

[00:45:40]>> Yeah. But people are willing to do that because they would rather pay 200 bucks for a peptide that's prescription.

[00:45:47]Try it out. See how they feel. Know that it's from a clean source.

[00:45:51]>> Yeah.

[00:45:52]>> Then go to a doctor, maybe spend two or three doctor's visits, get a MRI from my knee or my shoulder.

[00:45:58]>> Mhm.

[00:45:59]>> Get quoted, you know, $70,000 for a knee replacement. Instead, you've got six-year-olds injecting TB500 and BPC into their knee >> and they're like, "Oh, hey, I'm hiking again."

[00:46:11]>> Yeah.

[00:46:12]>> You know, even if it's a placebo, who I mean, they weren't >> Well, we all know that like the the body is is great at self-healing. So, it's like I mean, if you're if you're >> if it is a placebo and your and your mind is fixing your body, then like who gives a [ __ ] right?

[00:46:26]>> Yeah, >> dude. So much of that stuff I like I would inject my my own model with with stuff like that. I'm like, "Oh, you got a shoulder injury? Let's do this." you know, let's you know, so >> um yeah, I'm with you. And I think it's it's a much cheaper alternative than >> paying for like insane rounds of physio that >> Oh, yeah. [ __ ] >> I had knee surgery last year like like full openlow knee surgery. Um >> and that was September, early September.

[00:46:55]>> Uh I had to do physio after I started taking BPC, TB500, and like NAD and GHCU right after that. Yeah, >> I cut my physio two months early. He was like, "You're good."

[00:47:05]>> He's like, "You're good." I went to EDC and it was like, >> you know, being absolutely ridiculous at EDC.

[00:47:12]>> Two monthsish after having knee surgery, like full-blown knee surgery.

[00:47:17]>> That's amazing, man. That's cool.

[00:47:19]>> All right, so we'll plug the link below.

[00:47:20]One thing I wanted to go back on that we sort of skimmed over, man.

[00:47:24]>> Yeah, we got we got totally That's the problem with peptides, man. It's a rabbit hole. Once you start talking about them, >> it's all good. This is this has nothing to do with peptides, but I thought it was like really valuable and I think a lot of people miss this mark because one thing I've trained so many people up from being complete juniors, not having any idea of what's going on in this space and uh one thing that I noticed about success is it really comes down to um relationships and just like asking questions and and meeting with people and getting involved. And you said that you spend two hours to three hours a day just chatting with people. Um, and I kind of want to dig into that a little bit and and sort of explain like how you how you think about that, where you sort of meet these people, how and and what kind of groups and everything that you're involved in. Like obviously, you don't have to give away all your [ __ ] but like just how can someone network?

[00:48:12]>> Listen, I I'm on the platform side now.

[00:48:14]I can give away everything.

[00:48:15]>> That's amazing.

[00:48:17]>> Um, yeah. So, I mean, obviously the biggest thing obviously, as you know, we all live in Telegram, right?

[00:48:24]>> Yeah.

[00:48:24]>> Got to be you got to be in Telegram.

[00:48:25]That's like the gateway drug into affiliate.

[00:48:28]>> Yeah.

[00:48:28]>> Um, you know, I would say the majority of people I've met were initially from conferences.

[00:48:36]>> Um, and it wasn't even like the show floor itself.

[00:48:39]>> We weren't even buying tickets to the show floor when we were going to the conferences for the first few years.

[00:48:45]>> Yeah. Unless it was given to me for free by like Rainbow or somebody else, I wasn't going in the show floor. Sorry, Affiliate World.

[00:48:51]>> Yeah. Um, but just going there and being around people, like going to the bar, right?

[00:48:57]Chandelier Bar, >> you know, Chandler Bird is iconic. Like that's where everyone hangs out.

[00:49:02]>> Just going there, showing up, buying someone a drink, shooting the [ __ ] talking traffic, talking business, making friends.

[00:49:09]>> Yeah.

[00:49:10]>> You know, that's that was the number one way to get into things. And then also once you kind of make a name for yourself, right, it's like as soon as I got the $1 million plaque on Ringba >> Yeah. Um, I posted it, you know, on Instagram, I posted on Twitter, I posted on LinkedIn. And obviously that attracts people when they see a plaque, >> you know, when they see some of award, they see some like, you know, some kind of like proof.

[00:49:33]>> Yeah.

[00:49:34]>> Um, immediately immediately they jump on to like wanting to talk to you. Um, and it only gets bigger from there, right? got the 10 million, the 25 million, suddenly I have buyers reaching out to us >> because I'm posting on LinkedIn, >> you know, when I when I'm hiring people now, higher quality talent wanted to work for us because they know if they come in and spend time, they're not wasting time, >> you know, and it just it snowballs. It really snowballs.

[00:50:04]It's it's interesting because I feel like the there's there's two sides of this.

[00:50:10]It's like I think that there is a value to to flexing online, but if you're flexing with value backing it in a sense, right? Like um I don't know how to say this without saying it, right?

[00:50:25]Because like there's there like people just being idiots online and posting like all the [ __ ] they're buying and so on and so forth. But I also think that there's there's um value in flexing of like, hey, I just am crushing thousands of calls on Ringba. Feel free to hit me up or whatever or like your plaque, for example. Um and I mean there there is a downside to it. You're going to get a lot of idiots in your DMs and stuff like that, but I think that there's also going to be a lot of great people that come through. Um, so yeah, I don't know where I'm going with that, but yeah, I say hold on.

[00:50:58]Actually, really great thing what you said about flexing, right? I think there's a big difference and flexing and strategic networking, right?

[00:51:08]>> Agreed. But people don't really know that.

[00:51:11]>> Yeah, because there's a lot of people there that flex, right? And they're flexing how much money they're making and they're flexing what they're running and everything, right? Like we never did that. Like I, you know, I kept it very close to, you know, the chest, right? I would say obviously show the plaques and be like, "Oh, we're on Ringba. We're doing paper call, but I would never be like, "Oh, this is exactly how much money we're doing. This is how much money I'm making in profit or anything like that." You know, I like you even look at my Instagram, like the only thing I post on Instagram is like food and travel, right? You know, I didn't post there's no post on my Instagram about buying a Ferrari or buying a Porsche or like, you know, watches or anything. Strategic flexing, you know, like cuz Yeah. Like I know people just like that.

[00:51:59]All they do is flex and then they're like 90 people bumrush their offer that they're running because someone one person finds out and one person an affiliate finds out.

[00:52:08]>> Everyone >> everyone finds out. Yeah.

[00:52:10]>> Right.

[00:52:11]>> Yeah. We're all really good at figuring [ __ ] out, you know. 100%. Yeah.

[00:52:15]>> Yeah. It's It's funny, man. Um >> Yeah. Interesting.

[00:52:20]>> So, it's a balance. It's a balance.

[00:52:22]>> It's a balance for sure. I think that and like you can tell when someone is Maybe I shouldn't do this, but I think that you can tell when someone is successful just by their lives and what they're doing versus like when they're just like posting pictures of their like watch or their Ferrari or whatever it may.

[00:52:40]>> Oh, I mean there's a great video that went vile recently. It was like uh it's like average POV of a Miami guy with zero dollars in bank account and it's like him looking at his watch like driving his like you know I forgot that dealership down South Kerry or whatever it's called >> 96 month leased you know Lamborghini right >> it's like yeah it's like the only guys that post that kind of [ __ ] are like the info guys right you know typically like you don't >> you know it's like the the FB Amazon FBA guys are notorious for that [ __ ] Um, >> dude, I didn't know that you could like Someone told me that you can lease RM and like watches and [ __ ] I had no idea. And that's what a lot of guys in the in >> I didn't know that. That's actually I figured you could like finance it, you know, right? But um >> Yeah.

[00:53:29]>> No, someone told me who's like he is a very wealthy man and he understands everything. He's like, "Yeah, dude. You can lease these things." And a lot of these guys do. We know some companies that do it and they make so much money.

[00:53:40]>> That's crazy. Yeah, >> that's actually crazy. I mean, it doesn't surprise me, man. Like, you can, you know, rent out private jets for photo shoots, right? And I've seen >> I I've seen rappers get called out for that, right? Cuz like they realized like in the background, >> I forgot who it was.

[00:53:56]>> It was like Bowwow or something.

[00:53:59]>> Someone took a photo of him like on like a commercial Delta flight and he was posting at the same time like a PJ with like a Rolls-Royce out front and [ __ ] you know?

[00:54:09]>> So hilarious.

[00:54:10]That's so funny, man. I I feel like there's too many cameras in this world to get away with anything like that. You know, you can't you can't do it.

[00:54:18]>> Yeah.

[00:54:19]>> All right, man. Well, this has been good, dude. I think uh what's sort of the best way for people to reach out to you and we'll include links and stuff, but just off the rip, um what's the best way?

[00:54:30]>> Yeah, I mean, I would say honestly the website if they're interested, you know, just hit it up. You know, I try to answer every email. It's not me. It's one of our salespeople. um if you know questions, concerns, demos, whatever and >> you know even if you have questions about tellahalth industry it's fine you know >> uh I'm in all the big telegram groups also tag me if someone knows me you know >> y >> um >> yeah you're you're a wealth of knowledge man you're always like got your ear to the ground whenever I uh have a a question that is outside of my realm I definitely hit you up because you um you're the man that knows all these days so I I appreciate that dude so >> yeah of Yeah. Awesome. All right, man. It's been fun. And uh yeah, guys, hope you enjoyed this. See you on the next one. Cool.

[00:55:14]Cool. Bye.