I Debated Jay Dyer on the Laws of Logic!

Ajouté : 2026-06-01

[00:00:02][music] >> Hi guys.

[00:00:07]Uh sometime ago I actually called Jay Dyer's live. And I got to talk to him for for a little while.

[00:00:15]So I'm going to show you the conversation.

[00:00:18]Take a look.

[00:00:19]Hey, what's up?

[00:00:21]Hi.

[00:00:22]Uh we spoke last time about the last of logic.

[00:00:25]And you have so I had a a comment on what we said.

[00:00:29]Okay.

[00:00:30]>> Okay. I I asked you last time uh if God's omnipotence is limited by the law of non-contradiction, right?

[00:00:39]Yeah, and I said that omnipotence is going to be limited by the theological system in which it's situated. And so if God exists, he's going to determine what omnipotence means. You can't import a foreign external to the system definition of omnipotence.

[00:00:56]You know, the definition of omnipotence is not dependent on the theological system, okay?

[00:01:03]That's already problematic what he's saying there.

[00:01:07]The definition of omnipotence is very clear. It's the ability to do anything, right? That's what the word implies.

[00:01:14]Now, there is a caveat nowadays in how the word is used.

[00:01:19]And it it is precisely to avoid things like the the stone paradox, right?

[00:01:25]And it they say that that omnipotence is the ability to do whatever is logically possible, right?

[00:01:33]But I think that what this shows is that logic limits what God can do. Just like it limits anything else.

[00:01:43]So this implies that God is not the the ground there the ground of logic because it is weird if if logic is grounded on him, why would it limit him, right?

[00:01:55]So that's my usual that I make here.

[00:02:00]Right, but if he if he's going to determine what omnipotence means he could No, he doesn't determine it arbitrarily. It's based on what his nature is. It's not a willful determination. That's like a Muslim idea.

[00:02:14]Right, but he could have determined it differently if he wanted to do so.

[00:02:17]>> literally what I just said. No, I said the opposite of that.

[00:02:21]It's a reflection of his nature. God doesn't change or determine his nature.

[00:02:25]It is what it is.

[00:02:27]Right.

[00:02:28]But the question is he doesn't change or is he unable to change? Because the two things are different, right?

[00:02:38]And if it's the second one, right?

[00:02:41]Then it actually shows that uh God like I said earlier, God is bound by logic.

[00:02:47]So, logic is what limits God's actions.

[00:02:51]And this is weird. If God is grounded in him, why would some why would his own nature uh act as a limit on him to establish what he can can or can't do himself. That the notion is very strange.

[00:03:08]Right, he doesn't change, but does he have the capability to do what he is the question? No, he cannot change something that is the reflection of his own nature. That'd be like saying, can he will evil to be good?

[00:03:19]That's called theological >> Why why is that wrong? Why is that wrong exactly? Because that's called theological voluntarism and it's a Sunni Calvinist position that we don't hold to.

[00:03:30]Yeah, he doesn't saying that we do not hold for to this position doesn't explain what is wrong with the position.

[00:03:38]Which is what I was asking. So, he hasn't answered the question.

[00:03:43]Really. He's going to try to answer the question and this is going to be the most important part. This is this is what I wanted and I wanted you to to see.

[00:03:54]But what how what is that impossible?

[00:03:56]What makes this impossible? Because it doesn't make sense. It's a contradiction. It's Ta-da! You see? You see? I'm I'm saying, "Why can't God perform a contradiction, right?"

[00:04:12]And he's saying, "Well, because he doesn't do it. Because it would mean that the God the good is evil, whatever." And I'm like, "But what is wrong with that?

[00:04:21]What why is this impossible?" And then he has to say, "Well, because it doesn't make sense. Because it would be a contradiction, right?" So, he's saying that God cannot make a contradiction because this would be a contradiction, right? Do you see how how bad his response is, right?

[00:04:38]This is a non answer. This doesn't explain what makes it the case that God cannot contradict himself, right? Because if if the law of non-contradiction is external to him and it limits everything he can do, which is what most people the way most people see logical, then it makes sense.

[00:04:57]But if it's grounded on on him, it's just an arbitrary thing that makes little sense. Like, what accounts for him God not being able to do a certain thing, right? Nothing.

[00:05:07]It It cannot You cannot say, "Well, it would be a contradiction." Well, that's That's what I'm asking, right?

[00:05:14]Up. Shut up.

[00:05:15]>> [laughter] >> Up, man. Stop yapping. No, I'm yapping.

[00:05:18]>> the good is a reflection of God's own character of being the good, and thus God could never arbitrarily change the good to be the evil.

[00:05:28]If the good what the good is is a reflection of of God's character that is good, well, this make This is a meaningless tautology.

[00:05:39]This What the What does the word good even mean, right? Nothing. This makes the statement God is good it it turns it into a meaningless contra tautology, right? The The statement doesn't convey anything. It turns the good into a some kind of weird featureless property. Like, what is good? Nothing. It's a reflection of God's character, which is good. Yeah, but you haven't explained what the good is, right? This is more moral subjectives.

[00:06:09]Okay, did you say something very interesting? You say this doesn't make sense because it's a contradiction, and that's what I wanted for you to say. You realize that you're saying that the law of contradiction is what makes this not make sense. Like, to me >> No, you're making a category error. So, the law of non-contradiction is simply a reflection of this principle that God does not lie. It is not Uh The two things are not the same at all, right? God does not lie.

[00:06:34]It does not imply that P and not P uh cannot obtain, right? The The two things are just completely different. I don't see how one thing entails the other one, right?

[00:06:46]There could be a person that is very honest, and he just never lies. He doesn't lie. That doesn't mean That doesn't make P and not P uh impossible. You know, it It doesn't follow in any way. This is a massive non-sequitur.

[00:07:01]not the same thing as saying that God's nature or essence is the law of non-contradiction. That's the mistake you're making.

[00:07:08]No Nobody's saying >> I I don't see what my Okay.

[00:07:11]>> I'm sorry that you don't see it. That's not my That's called a fallacy of incredulity.

[00:07:14]And this is really annoying. So, Mikey, what's up?

[00:07:19]And he kicks me. Yeah.

[00:07:21]Yeah, I don't think uh the I J Dyer made a very good job at at explaining how come how come God ground the law of non-contradiction. And if you see my videos on the tag argument, I I go in deeply there explaining why this is an absurdity, and why this cannot really be the case. All right?

[00:07:43]Anyway, I just wanted to show you that.

[00:07:46]I hope you enjoyed it. Please subscribe to the channel.

[00:07:49]And we'll see you next time. Bye.

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