5 Reasons to Read The Green Bone Saga & The Wars of Light and Shadow

Added: 2026-05-05

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[00:00:24]>> Welcome back to Talking Story. My name is John. That right there is my literary wingman, the one son, my little cello happiness. Little Jackie two shelves the best producer on book. We are coming at you today with Hey, I just wrapped up a series that I want to talk about. I'm late to the game. I know that. But I still want to get some love for it out there and say why I think it's top tier and and you should read it if you haven't. Most people already have. I know I'm late. And you are getting into a series. You've you've waited a long time. You finally picked up the next book. You're traveling further into it and you want to do the same thing for that series. Even though you haven't wrapped it up, you feel like you're far enough into it to do the same thing.

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[00:01:08]>> We're your friendly neighborhood traveling book salesman. Why don't you take >> your current series love first and then I'll go after you.

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[00:01:18]We're going to talk about Wars of Heart and Shadow by Janny WS. And >> it's a shock. I'm shocked.

[00:01:24]>> I am both shocked and stunned. Now, before I get into my reasons, here's just kind of a bit of a pitch of how this series begins, what this fantasy series is about. Uh, kind of in this world, there are two half brothers. One is the son of kind of the royal family.

[00:01:40]One is the son of this more evil figure, uh, within the world. And yes, they are half brothers. They are very much opposed and hate each other. And for various reasons, they are banished through a world's gate to uh live on this continent called Atherra in this completely different world. And when they arrive, there are these sorcerers that show up and say, "Oh my god, the chosen ones here. Everyone be excited.

[00:02:04]We we've got this mistraith problem that you got. Why are there two of you? Oh no." And then the story kind of takes off from there as uh uh not only why are there two of you, but why do you hate each other? That's that's going to pose a problem for us. Um, so that's kind of how the story proceeds from there. My reason number one is that there's a lot of talk about Janny Wart's pros being too dense.

[00:02:30]>> Do not let that scare you away. I I think that there are two different ways that you can read this story. Um, and again, I've only read book one, which is Curse of the Mystery by Janie Warts. And I'm a little ways through the second book, The Ships of Marrior, also by Janney WZ, obviously. Um, and yes, Her Pros is not easy to just breeze through.

[00:02:57]There's a there's a lot coming at you and it's very packed with details. Um, however, I would say that you can choose to slow down and really digest everything that she's giving to you and and stop and and you know, smell the roses, if you will, and and see all the things that she's doing with sentence structure and how she's building her world. And it's it's really incredible work, but I don't think it's a requirement to enjoy the story. Um, sometimes I, especially when I was reading the first book, I I like to read quickly, as much as I can, because I don't have a ton of time to read and I would find myself like, you know, if I just miss a sentence, I'm just going to blow right past it and keep on going. I'm not going to reread it over and over again. And it totally worked for me. So, I don't feel like you should worry, >> oh, the pro I hear the pros is dense.

[00:03:48]No, don't worry about that. As you say, it's transportive. It really takes you to another world. And I agree with that.

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[00:03:55]>> So that's my reason number one.

[00:03:56]>> Stylistically, I would absolutely agree with that.

[00:03:59]>> My reason number two is if you like a rich world, this is one with consequences.

[00:04:09]And what I mean by that is this is obviously a fantasy world. We've got all kinds of different villages and and ffts with different economics and you know all all the fun things that come with a fantasy world and and creatures obviously uh long ages that have passed with rise and falls of different empires blah blah blah blah blah all of that.

[00:04:31]Um, however, the consequences come into play when characters who are motivated by their own goals and such make big decisions that have rippling effect effects off the entire continent of Atherra. Um, >> a big part of the ending of book one has a massive effect in all of the different places on other points across the continent in ways that you would not even think about it. It Jan Wartz's planning is just >> to the extreme to make sure that this world is fully realized and it it makes you feel like >> you are in the best of hands. It's really amazing. You would agree with that? Oh. Oh, entirely >> because you're What book are you one?

[00:05:19]You're further than I am.

[00:05:21]>> Uh, eight n something like that, I think.

[00:05:24]>> Yeah. And I assume that continues on.

[00:05:27]>> Oh, it even if anything it becomes more things that you don't realize are important, foundational, architecturally, at the base of things to make it sound as she builds upward. Uh, oh, that everything is important. Everything comes back to place. It's absolutely nothing wasted.

[00:05:47]>> I I just wanted to get your input on that cuz I know I'm not as far as you are.

[00:05:51]>> Oh, I I I mean, yeah, I'm wrapping up um one of the big arcs in it. We're at book five of that arc. It's I think 11 books all total. And um yeah, no, that just comes more and more and more into play the deeper you get into it.

[00:06:06]>> Okay, cool. So, that that is my reason two. My reason number three is this is a big pro for me. It's not necessarily a hard magic system, but it's a very purposeful magic system.

[00:06:23]>> And that is to say that like I when I say hard magic system, obviously everybody's going to immediately think of Brandon Sanderson because that's kind of the the the popularized hard magic system. Uh Misborn with the digesting of metals and all of that. uh this is not going to be that. This is a lot of the magic comes from the actual lands itself and all of the mysteries that come along with that. Uh and that means that you will have chapters where wizards and sorcerers and people are using magic in ways like I had no idea that was possible but okay.

[00:06:57]>> Yeah.

[00:06:58]>> But it's never going to be in a way that feels like oh that needed to happen for the plot. So the magic allows for that to happen. that that will never happen in Jany's work. The magic system exists with its own rules and boundaries in this really cool way that kind of allows different magic users to battle each other by trying to predict what the future is. like it's this it creates this massive game of chess just because there are those rules and boundaries where well you can't do this but I can do this so I'm going to try and block your move by doing this and it's way over here while you're way over it's it's really incredible to watch what she's able to do with that. Um, and that's a big bonus for me because the hard magic stuff, I tried reading uh Mistborn by Brandon Sanderson and it felt very like someone was explaining the rules to a video game to me and it ju I get it. If you like it, I'm not talking bad about it. It just wasn't my vibe at the time. Maybe I'll try it again later. But this was a big pro to me that it it did not feel like a hard magic system.

[00:08:05]>> Yeah, that I do love that about it. And as you go on, that only gets bigger.

[00:08:10]>> Yeah. the the magic systems become just and the pros makes it truly magical. It never loses that mystery. Uh you understand the people weaving the magic, why they're doing it, what they what they believe, what they stand for, what what their agency is. Uh but that the mystery is always there of wow, these things are possible. Uh, I I kind of understand why and how, but you still get that awe inspiring mystery to the world when when these things happen. And I get the feeling that the mystery of what is possible in the lands of Athether is a huge unraveling that happens over the course of the entire series. And >> yes, I would agree with that.

[00:08:56]>> Yeah. Okay. So, that's my number three.

[00:08:58]My number four is that I love that this series is a true exploration of moral dilemmas.

[00:09:09]>> Uh and that that is directly I believe Janney's words off of like the Amazon posting of what the book description is.

[00:09:17]Uh this is an exploration of moral dilemmas per Janie Wartz. Uh unless the publisher posted that, but I doubt it.

[00:09:24]Um, and what I mean by that is that you do have these half brothers, these two characters, and you do get the feeling that I really want to root for one and I really want to hate the other one. But at no point can I ever call the other one evil. I I don't find myself being able to do that. At least for now. I see you making a face.

[00:09:48]You're You need to keep going. It's all I'm going to say.

[00:09:51]>> Yeah. But with the uh conflict between these two brothers, I can absolutely see the rationalization of how the second one that that potentially later on becomes evil, how he arrived at his line of thinking. It it never feels like, oh, it's evil for the sake of being evil. And sometimes that's okay.

[00:10:13]>> Yeah. The character motivations are are just part of the architecture of it. like as you travel along these character arcs, you're able to understand. You may not agree with and this goes for for all a lot of different characters in the series. I don't necessarily see that. I wouldn't if I was in that position, I don't think I'd do that, but >> oh wow, I that I see why you made that call. I see why you made that decision.

[00:10:40]>> Yeah, >> it just makes me question my own sense of self and what I would do in that position, which is one of the great things about the series. the the the two brothers and their conflict is a massive part of the story, but perhaps the biggest part of the story. And like I alluded to earlier with the uh wizards and the sorcerers kind of playing their own little game of chess about how to move about the future, >> all of the motivations are, at least for now where I'm at, kind of people thinking that they're just doing what's best for the lands and the people in it.

[00:11:12]Like I it's never, oh, I want to conquer and I want to No, it's everyone truly thinks they're the good guys.

[00:11:18]>> Everyone absolutely is answering to their they think they're answering to their better angels.

[00:11:24]>> Yeah.

[00:11:24]>> Uh but where the clash comes is they're not willing to see anyone else's point of view. They become so calcified in what it is they believe. And part of this is is uh thrust upon them due to >> you know I don't want to get into too many reasons why for spoiler sake but the because of that because we we become entrenched >> in what we believe um and I say we because I feel like I'm a part of this world at this point this this far into the series >> uh and you will too when you get there if you don't already you know we feel entrenched in our beliefs they're they're our very core sometimes we hang our identity on that and if we do that it it it makes us almost build a wall and become exclusionary from different points of view, different ways of thinking, different ways of looking at things. And that is where the tragedy is uh in in this. It's like, oh, if you could just take a second and step back and take a look and try and understand.

[00:12:22]But it's it's so true. It's so true in the human experience when we when we get into these areas of the deepseated belief that we that we're basing our very identity on um at times and I I think that it explores that when you talk about the the moral quandies of this and how these characters become draw lines and become calcified and all of those things you see how they got there. You understand how they got there. You maybe even would see yourself going on that same path or you've gone on that same path path in the past. But that is what brings about that tragedy and that only grows and grows and grows the deeper you get into this series and the more you explore it >> 100%. So if you find yourself being a person that enjoys kind of those moral quandries and those dilemmas and all that like I exploration of all of that through character motivation is done masterfully here. So >> yeah, absolutely.

[00:13:16]>> You may like these stories. Uh I I am now at my last point and I'm sad cuz I wish I could talk about Wars Light and Shadow forever, but my last point is the thrill of the mystery is >> truly remarkable here uh in in the most fun way. Uh at the beginning of this story, you feel like you're >> you're only given it's not you're not your hand is not held. It's you're thrown in. Oh, no.

[00:13:45]>> But but you're thrown in with just the amount of information that you need to really know what's going on. And there are times where you will receive kind of here's an exposition chapter where I get >> a lot of information that really just gave me more questions than answers uh in a great way. Um but >> it is that feeling that you are in the hands of a true genius. Um, the information that is going to be handed to you, dulged to you through this story is going to be so organic, so sweet, so woven into the plot and still so whimsical uh, in your enjoyment of being in these lands and inhabiting these characters and finding out the mysteries of what's happened in the past. How does the magic work? Uh uh can we possibly reach a future that we can predict and and weave about through chess pieces and moves to actually align what we think would be true justice for these people and and the mysteries of all of that is so much fun to just let the author take you along that ride.

[00:14:54]>> Yeah. Yeah. I will say uh as you go further on that that that the mysteries that whimsical nature I want to know around every corner what the mysteries are grow a harder edge and a darker vibe as you move on as as you as you explore deeper into these moral quandries that you're talking about uh and these lines become deeper and darker the extremes that people will go to and these mysteries and and where these mysteries come from, what sides are groups on. You don't even know all the groups that are going to come into play yet and and and how they were created, why they were created, why they're trying to move their pieces as they can.

[00:15:37]Now, all all along thinking it's the for the best. Um, but yeah, as you get deeper, as you go further, it does not shy away from looking into the darker, harderedged moments of the human experience. it the cost of conflict.

[00:15:55]How we move past that trauma. How who do we become once we move past that trauma?

[00:16:01]If it leaves us a a mark on us to the depth of our soul, are we even the same person moving forward? All of these kind of deeper, darker questions, important questions are waiting for you just a bit in the future in that series.

[00:16:15]>> You just made me excited to pick the book up again.

[00:16:17]>> That's what we do here.

[00:16:20]That was my five points. Uh I will just end off real quickly by plugging the book because uh not enough people are reading these books. You can pick up uh paperbacks through Amazon and you can actually get the audio books for books one through three now. Books two and three have new audio books. Uh didn't have audiobooks for a crazy long time.

[00:16:41]Colin Bass does the work on those the the audio work and he he's just fantastic. He's a perfect voice for the vibe of a Theorist. So links to Curse of the Mystery on Amazon will be below and uh the new audio books uh will be linked below as well if you want to check those out. Yeah, the first three even though the there aren't audios for all yet and there need to be.

[00:17:02]>> Yes.

[00:17:02]>> That gives you such a an an amazing jump into into this world. Uh it gives you a true like book one, Curse of the Mystery is really gives you a true arc.

[00:17:13]Books two and three again kind of give you that feeling of an arc because this massive series is broken up into arcs.

[00:17:21]So >> yeah, so book one is one arc and book two and three are another arc. So it it's I I've heard people say that you can treat the arcs kind of like a stopping place if you don't want to just blow through 11 big uh chunker fantasy books. Uh there are stopping places for you where it feels like a natural place to kind of go do some other stuff for a little bit. But those are my five reasons. How about yours? I'm going to talk about a trilogy that I just wrapped up and I'm talking about The Green Bone Saga by Fonda Lee. And this is I've got five reasons why. Now, I'm late to the party. I'm the first to admit I'm late to this party. The reason you you built this channel for me was so I could catch up on all these amazing things that I am behind on. So, if you haven't read this yet, I'm going to give you five reasons why you absolutely should give it a shot and go forward and grab these books. So, my very first one is The World Itself.

[00:18:23]This is an urban fantasy. I think it might be one of the best I've ever read, honestly. So, the world is recognizable.

[00:18:32]It's very much it's an Asian influence world. We're dealing with a country called Janoon and you will see many things. You will see cars, buildings, restaurants. I mean, you know, it it's you're not going back to a different time. You're going to a different place.

[00:18:48]But it's a recognizable world. You're you'll understand the trappings of it.

[00:18:52]You'll understand the fashion of it.

[00:18:54]You'll understand uh how how things are the commerce of it. All of it's going to be extremely recognizable and you're going to be able to sink your teeth into it until it becomes something entirely different, something its own thing. And the way FondeLe accomplishes this is absolutely masterful because she gives this world depth and nuance and layers. This world has history, deep history. This world has its own culture. Uh the culture and the history are interwoven together.

[00:19:34]This is a country that was occupied for a long time. And there are certain lineages, certain families that are able to access and unlock the power that they would find in jade. These families can carry jade on their body and allows them to do things superheroic things. Think Marvel Cinematic Universe level things, strength, mind powers, I just all types of making your skin like steel, all these kind of things. If you master jade, if you're from one of these families that has the potential to master jade, you can do this. So you you're growing from a country that was occupied. You're growing from these jade warriors that rose up and took their country back. So all of the history, all of the culture, the legends, the myths revolve around this type of jade magic revolve around the type of jade warrior and what it means to be a jade warrior.

[00:20:33]What it means to be green, the honor that comes along with it, the code that comes along with it, all those things are interwoven deeply deeply into the very world, culture, and history here.

[00:20:48]So it has such weight on these characters. Weight to the point where it actually is one of the layers pushing on these characters because we are looking at a family of jade warriors. The calls and it does push on them with expectations. How will they rise up? How will they fit the bill? How will they move forward in this world when they're called upon to take the lead of their family and to exercise leadership for their country as well as their family business? Um there's so much of the pressure points that comes from this and I a little bit about the magic system that I said the jade and it's I love the world again having weight and gravitas and reality through the magic system itself because as you get deeper into this world and you start to realize how jade works it works very much how we would use magic if we had it here. It's used for power. It's used for commerce.

[00:21:46]It's used for political expediency. All these type of things that we recognize in our own world daytoday. If you watch the news, if you read the newspaper, you see these kind of things, these vaccinations going on. It's the same thing here. Ex except it's jacked up to the nth degree because this magic system is plugged into all of that. So, it fuels the reality. It fuels the conflict. It fuels the pressure on the characters because it all comes together and gives the world such grit and reality and weight that they are moving through. So the world itself is wonderfully done. And just a quick thing about structure here in this trilogy, she very masterfully, starting with the very first book, Jade City, she does these interludes, these little breaks in the action, where she'll give you a little bit of a historical context or a myth or a legend from this world or from this time. And it always dovetales just perfectly with what the character is dealing with morally or or questioning or uh trying to come to a decision to move their character arc forward or to accept something coming their way.

[00:23:00]She'll show you a little bit of the past or a little bit of the myths or legends of this world that are always part and parcel and present in these characters' minds because this world is so rich and real. Now, as we move on into books two and three, those interludes are still there. They're still a part of it, but they become fewer and fewer because you are starting to find you yourself are a denison of this world. You understand what's expected. You understand what's required and the honor and the culture and what it means to be green. What it means to take this pledge of my life, my honor, my jade for the pillar. You understand what that means and you don't need those interludes. So as you go forward and you become a green bone warrior yourself, some of those interludes, some of those interludes start to drop off and and become less and less, but they do move all the way through. So the structure stays consistent. Uh but that's my number one is the world itself. That was all one.

[00:23:57]That was one.

[00:24:06]Are you ready? Are you ready for number two? Oh my god. Let me get a comfier chair.

[00:24:11]>> Yeah, get a pillow. Get a get a pillow and a juice box because I'm going to start with number two. Number two is another layer of something that puts pressure on these characters. And that is that this is very much a family drama. If you enjoy books from like uh let's say Wally Lamb or Richard Russo, you love to go to the theater and see Eugene O'Neal or Arthur Miller. you love to sink your teeth into a multigenerational or just a family drama with those family politics with that the ups and downs of the dynamics of fitting into a family and what that all means.

[00:24:50]This is very much that which means we get to deal with all the amazing themes that come with that. Um the prodigal son or daughter, can you come home again? If you do come home, what's expected of you? How much of yourself will you give up to fit back in? If you're young and growing up, how much of yourself will you base on your elders? How much of your hopes and dreams are based on those elders in your family that when you're a young person and you look up at them, they just seem to block out the sun? If you are not one of those elders but being trained to become one of the leaders of those family and you're not quite young when you but you haven't quite taken that position, what will you do to not drop the ball when it's your turn to take it? Will you let go of some of these honorable things and make questionable decisions because you have to keep moving this family forward in this in this way. What do you give up of yourself? Um over and over again we find these these these themes that revolve around in family drama are so much part and parcel and present here like uh the changing times. This goes this spans a good number of years who starts young by the end of book three you've seen a good chunk of their entire lives. By the end of book three you see a a new characters born and brought into this family. So you're seeing changing times and not only on characters but on the world itself different social mores different ideas different ideas of the honor of being green or being a jade bone warrior opening up the idea of globalization possibly getting jade further out into the world. What does that mean for commerce if we go to more of a globalized idea with the power of jade? Does that cause some type of arms race? Some type of arms war. How how is that going to be handled? So you have the family, the family drama dealing with not only all the themes and trappings that come along with that, but the themes and trappings that come along with that through different historical times because this is a multigenerational story. So if you're a fan of family drama, this absolutely has you covered. All those themes are absolutely there. um the expectations of love and who you bring into the family, are those going to be frowned on? How much of yourself will you give up or will you go with who you truly love? All those kind of questions are there. Uh and I absolutely loved all of them played out here. They were done to perfection, I thought. Jeez, man. I feel like this could have been an hourong video where you just talk about how great Green Bone is. That's how I'm feeling.

[00:27:38]>> I I Okay, I'm going to go with number three now. You ready? I've got I'm ready. Number three is it's a crime drama as well. This call family, these Jade warriors, as they become higher and higher up in their government, higher and higher up in the leadership of this world, of this country, uh that they're wrapped up in, they also run other parts that are not as savory.

[00:28:04]And a lot of us, not all of us, some of us don't dig a crime drama, but a lot of us do. uh Jesse James, Bonnie and Clyde, the Corleone. These types of stories have resonated with us for years and years and years. And what this does here is it adds another layer of pressure on these characters and these character arcs. As I said, the family themes, what will they do? What will you do for love?

[00:28:28]What will you do for success? What will you do to fit in? Imagine the world itself, the culture, the history is pushing on you. The family expectations, the family drama is pushing on you now.

[00:28:40]The third layer, the crime drama is pushing on you. The pressures, the stress, this family versus that family.

[00:28:48]How far will you extend yourself to make sure your family continues to grow and become ascendant? What will you give up of yourself? What risks will you take?

[00:28:58]What risk will you take for your family?

[00:29:00]All of these things are there in present. Now, the decisions that makes, the things this does to the character arcs. You have dramatic, amazing setpiece, jaw-dropping moments. Moments that I actually had to make noise as I read.

[00:29:17]I'm reading something that's happening to >> Okay. Can we hear one of those?

[00:29:20]>> You read you made Can we hear?

[00:29:22]>> I will. I will. I will. Absolutely. I'm reading something about Lan or Hilo or Win or Sheay or Anden. And something happens that I don't see coming.

[00:29:31]something happens that I would have never expected that character to do, but because of the pressure, they do. They make a decision and like you were talking about Wars of Light and Shadow, you can track the motivation, but it's still such a shock. They've still been putting such a pressure cooker. And when that moment hits, that dramatic moment hits, it's a noise something like this.

[00:29:54]It's that kind of noise. Yeah. It's Did you get the wind knocked out of you?

[00:30:01]Yes, it's that gut punch. It's that gut punch noise. And it happens, I'm going to say it happens multiple times in each of these books. A character, not always to some, will the same, will come upon this crux, this moment in time, which way am I going to go? How much of myself will I leverage? And how? And what they do, what they have to do is just it'll drain the color out of you. It'll give you that gut punch noise when it happens. And all those moments are completely earned because of these layers of pressure that have built up and pushed them and pushed them until they have to make a choice and in one way snap one way or the other. And that's how drama works. That heightened sense of reality and that compressed amount of time. And that that I kind of bled over. That was my number four.

[00:30:56]these jaw-dropping character moments that are completely earned because of these layers of pressure. So, I kind of mashed my three and my four there together because I I felt judged by you by taking so much time.

[00:31:09]>> And my back's starting to hurt. If we could we could hit your number five, but I I do want to hear. Do Do we get another noise? Did number five make you make a noise?

[00:31:18]>> I can make a noise if you'd like.

[00:31:20]>> I would. I would.

[00:31:21]>> Okay. This is My number five is this is a trilogy. They're not small books, but they're not crazy large. And all of this is packed into a threeact structure. A very clean, very fast-paced, very moving threeact structure. You can read one a month and knock this out in a quarter of a year. You, this is not going to stress you out. This is not going to kill your TBR. It's not going to add another layer to that mountainous TBR that we all have. This is a trilogy. You can come in, you can knock this out, and once you start, if it hits you like it did me, you're not going to want to stop. They read so quickly. So, the compression on this, all that we get in just three books when we love long series like we do here on the channel, like I'll give you a noise. It's like this all this was in a trilogy.

[00:32:15]Unbelievable. There you go. That's your noise you get. I was completely floored and blown away because we're operating on all of those levels of nuance and pressure and character moments that are so dramatic they will make you stop. Not only do they leave a mark on the character, they leave a mark on you.

[00:32:37]They left a mark on me. That's why I had to make those noises while I was reading. Uh it's that type of level of involvement and you're so sunk into that I the way I found it. Uh so and it happens in three books, a trilogy, threeact structure done to its finest in family drama with an amazing magic system and the pressure of all these nuance layers pushing on these characters to give us those outstanding dramatic moments. And I have heard you say before that trilogies are your favorite just because you feel like it it's the perfect form of you get that dose of story. It's so tightly wound together and it you know I love the trilogy. I wish we had more or you know I I love long series too. I'm loving Wars of Light and Shadow. Sure. Uh I I'm lo I'm loving Maladon. Takes me longer to get through them and I very much appreciate them for all the things that they give me that a trilogy can't. But when you can finally finally hone and construct a story based on a three-act structure and drive it home and give a reader or a viewer everything they want, it's an achievement. It's an accomplishment. And Fonda Lee, in my estimation, absolutely did that. Absolutely did that in the speculative fiction genre. You don't always get this kind of family drama in the speculative fiction genre.

[00:34:05]And that's why I feel like it really it really hit me. It really pushed some boundaries for me. It really made me appreciate her work and her achievement.

[00:34:13]I love hearing you talk about series that you really love. Like it's always nice hearing you talk about the Green Bone Saga cuz I can tell how much you truly love it. However, it makes me want to read it quicker and I don't want to stop reading Wars of Light and Shadow.

[00:34:28]So, it creates problems for me. I get it. But I'm telling you right now, you have book one waiting for you.

[00:34:34]>> I do. I'm happy to lend these to you because there's so much that that in our own work I feel like we can learn from someone doing it at the level that Fondly is doing it.

[00:34:45]>> Yeah, I'm going to have to pick it up later this year. I think I've already told you I'm going to pick up Jade City at some point in the near >> You raised your hand. You raised your hand and promised and I'll go you one deeper. I have had comments and people asking when you do pick it up. They would like you to start a readalong on our Discord because they have it on their shelf and they've been waiting for something to push them to start as well.

[00:35:09]Yeah, June. Let's go. June, my birthday month. That'll be fun. For your birthday, you will do a readalong of Jade City book one on our Discord. I'll remind people when we get there. Well, no, someone remind me cuz I'm going to forget. I'll make sure you remember.

[00:35:22]Okay, cool.

[00:35:25]There you go. two very different types of uh series, but done by two masterful ladies at the top of their game.

[00:35:36]>> Absolutely. If you want to pick up any of the Jade City, Jade War, or Jade Legacy books, all three of them are going to be linked down below cuz we did multiple links for Wars of Light and Shadow as well. So, go down there and pick those up or pick up Jannie Wartz's book, any of the books that we talked about today. Just just read something.

[00:35:53]Read something good. You owe it to yourself. There's so MUCH GOOD STUFF.

[00:35:57]GET SOME GOOD STUFF in you. Don't bring that back. That's coming back. It's coming back. Have you picked up Wars of Light and Shadow? Have you picked up Green Bone Saga? Are you going to now that you've watched this? Let us know in the comments below. Uh or if you've picked them up already, let us know your thoughts. Have you enjoyed them? Did you not like them? Did it not hit for you?

[00:36:14]And why? Uh my dad here is going to answer every single comment just because it's what he likes to do. And if you haven't hit that subscription button yet, hey, it's so easy. Boop. push of a button and it's done. And you have joined this amazing group of folks here in comments and on our Discord, which is right down there if you want to join.

[00:36:31]And let me tell you, when you do that, you just get a tingle right down to your toes. That's just scientific fact. It's been proven.

[00:36:38]>> Supposedly, it gave you so much of a tingly that you forgot to thank our patrons. OH, >> these people that probably you probably already rolled by here.

[00:36:49]>> It's already long gone. You can thank him anyway, though. I'm going to thank him anyway. I expect a pink slip any moment. I expect our patriots to contact us with a pink slip and say we're going to get somebody to sit at the desk that will not forget to thank the very important people that make it all possible.

[00:37:06]>> We can't do that cuz then it's just going to be me. I can't handle that.

[00:37:09]>> No, they'll have someone here that doesn't forget the important stuff.

[00:37:12]>> Yeah. Bring Br like Brian from Beler.

[00:37:15]Someone that has has a little more experience.

[00:37:17]>> Someone that's like, you know, good like Brian.

[00:37:22]If we had Brian as a regular on the channel, it'd be a massive improvement.

[00:37:26]I have I have no problem admitting that.

[00:37:28]I have no problem saying that. If you're still here, oh my I still I don't feel good about that. Was just I can't believe I forgot. If you're still here, you're book people. And in our book, that makes you the best people. Thanks so much for joining us here on Talking Story.

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