Is Aegon/Young Griff's Fate Foreshadowed By Cyvasse Games?

Added: 2026-05-15

[00:00:00]Cyas is a game in George RR Martin's world that is very much like their version of chess. And while we don't know all of the rules to it, we see a few characters play it throughout the series. There is one character though who I would argue is far more connected to Syas than any other. So much so that I think his story is heavily foreshadowed by games of SAS. one game which he's a part of and ends up flipping the board when he loses and another that's played by other characters, but it references something that feels like it's very well set up to be part of his story. This character that I'm talking about is of course young Griff, otherwise known as Aegon Targaryen. Allegedly, the first game that I think gives us some heavy foreshadowing for his future story takes place between him and Tyrion. It starts out with young Griff setting up his pieces in an aggressive formation and he reaches for his dragon quickly and Tyrion clears his throat and says he wouldn't do that. Tyrion advises him that it's a mistake to bring your dragon out too soon and tells him that his father knew the dangers of being too bold. This gets Young Griff distracted talking about Rhaegar, and Tyrion admits that he didn't really know Rhaegar, but it's still enough for Young Griff to listen to the advice and not use his dragon. He then pokes at Young Griff more emotionally, talking about how this plan may not work, that Daenerys may not accept him when he shows up like a beggar. this random guy showing up claiming to be her long- lost relative, asking for a dragon and saying, "Oh, by the way, I have a better claim to the Iron Throne than you do." Young Griff points out that he has an army, and Tyrion says that he has a small army.

[00:01:44]And Tyrion says he would be better off heading straight for Westeros because it's never in a better state to be taken over. He points out how weak and divided the realm is and how Cersei is the one who's most likely to end up in charge and that she's completely incompetent.

[00:02:00]And he says that young Griff could arrive in Westeros, start conquering, start winning battles, and then send word to Daenerys. And she, as a rescuer, would definitely come and help him once he's taken part of Westeros. He would be a rebel and a conqueror. And when they eventually do meet, they would meet as equals, and she would be far more likely to want to marry him. This idea of this kid who wants to be the king of Westeros going and attacking Westeros and then sending out for the dragons to come and rescue him if he gets in trouble, well, that's going to come back at the end of the SAS game. When Tyrion gets Young Griff in the Sass version of Checkmate, he points out that his dragon is too far away to come and rescue his king. Young Griff is like, "But you told me not to use my dragon." And Tyrion's like, "I lied. Trust no one and keep your dragon close." And young Griff responds by flipping the board and telling Tyrion to pick up all the pieces. Tyrion later on though is very surprised to realize that young Griff has taken this advice that he gave during this game. He is going to Westeros himself, not going to meet up with Daenerys, where they could get married and invade as a united force.

[00:03:17]The parallels here are not hard to see.

[00:03:20]Hyrion advises him at the beginning of the game to not use his dragon, and he tells him in real life to turn towards Westeros, not go unite with Daenerys and her dragons. And then he says that Daenerys is a rescuer and that she can come help him when he's already in Westeros. Then in game, the dragon is too far away to rescue the king and Aegon loses. He should have kept his dragon close and maybe it could have protected the king. And if you translate that to real life, it seems like maybe he should have gone and met with Daenerys and come to Westeros with dragons. And if this is in fact foreshadowing, the fact that he didn't might get him in trouble. The rescue from Daenerys will be too far away if he does send word to her at all. If it follows the Sass game, he'll probably try to send word to Daenerys when he, the king, is in trouble, and she either won't listen or will be too far away.

[00:04:13]Given how direct this parallel is, it is kind of wild that even after it cost him the Sass game, he listened to Tyrion's advice in real life with his actual military campaign. Tyrion is so surprised that he actually took this advice in real life that at first he thinks it must be some ploy of false reports to deliberately spread misinformation. And then he thinks, unless could the Pretty Princling have swallowed the bait, turned them west instead of east, abandoning his hopes of wedding Queen Daenerys, abandoning the dragons? Would Griff allow that? As it turns out, yes, Griff would allow that.

[00:04:52]And it is not misinformation. He has genuinely taken this advice from Tyrion.

[00:04:57]Even though Tyrion beat him in a game by giving him basically the same bad advice and then told him to trust no one, Young Griff has done it anyway. We don't necessarily know how it would have gone had he gone to Daenerys, but it seems like such direct foreshadowing and the fact that he loses this game definitely makes it feel like he's making a mistake here. She does of course reject a similar marriage proposal from Quentyn Martell later on in the books, but his timing is awful. First of all, she has already agreed to marry Hisdar and she's about to marry him at the time that he shows up. We are told repeatedly that Quentyn is not exactly what a young woman like Daenerys would find attractive on any level. And while he does have the promise of Dorne joining her side, he doesn't actively have an army with him or a fleet of ships the way that young Griff would with the Golden Company, which he sails to Westeros on a big fleet of ships. So, if you imagine that young Griff wouldn't have gotten caught up, having to join the Windblown and secretly make his way to Marine the way that Quentyn does.

[00:06:00]Maybe he could have gotten there sooner, had a fleet of ships and an army ready to go, and maybe been a little bit more attractive than Quentyn, which as I said, we're constantly reminded Quentyn is unattractive, or at least plain.

[00:06:13]Whereas Tyrion thinks that young Griff could have any maiden in the Seven Kingdoms, and that his eyes would melt them. So, if the timing is better, the marriage proposal is better, and Daenerys actually likes the guy a little bit, maybe young Griff would have actually pulled this off. There is also the weird fact that him being at least probably a Targaryen, whether he's Trueborn Targaryen or Blackfire, that would actually have weirdly probably helped getting Daenerys to agree to marry him and especially so if he could have gotten one of her dragons to like him, which obviously Quentyn tried to do very unsuccessfully.

[00:06:49]We don't know for sure if it would have been successful, but Young Griff almost certainly has a better shot of doing this than Quentyn does. If he was able to tame a dragon using his likely Blackfire blood, I'm pretty sure Daenerys would have found that pretty hot and also would have had to basically marry him or split up her dragons because once he's bonded with one, he's taking it with him if he goes. The whatif scenario of young Griff having not taken Tyrion's advice is definitely one of the most interesting whatifs in this whole series. I recently did a video on the channel talking about Makoro's vision of Tyrion snarling in the midst of all these dragons that he sees in the flames, and that seems to imply that Tyrion's going to have some sort of sinister impact on these Targaryenss. And I'd say this is definitely one of the best examples of that. He may have really screwed things up here for Young Griff and possibly for Daenerys as well. Young Griff should have kept his dragon close, but now he doesn't have a dragon at all. And given the circumstances of his arrival in Westeros without communicating with Dany and having a competing claim for the throne, it may go all the way bad to the point where they actually end up fighting each other on opposite sides of this war. When Tyrion defeats young Griff in this Seas game, he does so using his own dragon, which if he is an adviser to Daenerys and she's using her dragons and has to fight against Young Griff, that could directly come true if Young Griff is defeated by Dany at some point. Also, if you are a Tyrion Targaryen fan, well, he could make it come true even more literally if he does claim his very own dragon. In any case, though, we will return to this first Sebass game. But I do want to talk now about the second S of game that I mentioned, the one that doesn't actually involve young Griff playing. It's actually a game we hear a little bit about that was played between Myrrcella and Tristane. During the Queen Maker chapter, she talks a little bit about how she likes playing Seas with Tristane and says he always sets up his squares the same way with all the mountains in front and his elephants in the passes.

[00:08:58]So I send my dragon through to eat his elephants. The reason this also feels especially foreshadowy to me directly of young Griff or Aegon's situation is because he's coming to Westeros with elephants and no dragons.

[00:09:13]It's also widely speculated amongst the fandom that Dorne will end up siding with young Griff at some point during this whole conflict. They seem very unlikely to side with Daenerys considering Quentyn was burned alive when he went and tried to marry her and get her to side with Dorne. That doesn't seem like something they're going to enjoy or take kindly to. And Arianne is being actively sent to see what's up with John Conington and this Aegon. And if she likes him, well, there's an easy marriage alliance right there. Whether they get married or not, one of Rhaegar's close friends is back. And he's with someone who claims to be Elia Martell's son. And if they can't tell for sure that he's not, it seems like a pretty likely alliance. Especially once again, as I said, because the other potential Targaryen alliance that they could make against the Lannisters just burned Quentyn alive. Or at least he got burned alive because she rejected the marriage proposal. Dany didn't burn him alive directly, but I'm not sure that's a nuance that's going to make its way to Dorne or make much of a difference. So, as we were just talking here a little bit about how Tyrion used his dragon to defeat Young Griff and Young Griff is now allied with the Golden Company who has elephants and might be allying with Dorne. Well, suddenly the idea of a Lannister playing against a Dornishman and using the dragon to take out the elephants. Suddenly, we're reminded again of a potential situation that could crop up if Tyrion and Daenerys are fighting against Aegon. The other thing that's also important to note is that the way in and out of Dorne is through mountain passes, which is exactly what happens in the Seas game. The dragon goes and burns the elephant in a pass between the mountains. I could see a situation where either Daenerys shows up in Dorne and is fighting against the Dornish because they won't side with her. So Aegon and the Golden Company try to help their allies by marching south into Dorne. and their entire army of elephants gets burned to death in a mountain pass by Danny's dragons. Or alternatively, if their army is down in Dorne for some reason and they need to come north through the passes, well, the same thing. They could get burned alive in the mountain passes by the dragons.

[00:11:24]Thus, exactly mirroring what we're told happens in the SAS game. It just feels like with George having already foreshadowed young Griff's situation so well in a different SAS game, then the fact that you could have him siding with the Dornish, fighting with elephants against dragons, and then there's this off-handed comment about sending the dragons through the mountain passes to beat the Dornish prince. I don't know.

[00:11:47]To me, it all just feels very foreshadowy. So yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance that the Golden Company with their elephants allied with Aegon and possibly allied with Dorne will get burned to death in a mountain pass by Dany and her dragons. I have definitely heard it brought up before that this first Sebass game we talked about foreshadows Aegon's situation because well, it's just a very direct parallel to what's happening in real life. The advice that Tyrion's giving young Griff taking it and it screwing him over essentially definitely feels like foreshadowing for the rest of his story. But I haven't heard people bring up this other Sass game in this context before. I do want to return though now to the end of that first Sevass game because after Tyrion flies the dragon over and defeats Aegon's king, Aegon flips the board over and leaves Tyrion to pick up the pieces. This is particularly interesting and possibly a bit of foreshadowing because well, King's Landing in the television show got burned down by Daenerys when she heard a bunch of bells, which is not a trigger mechanism for Daenerys, but it is a trigger mechanism for John Conington, who's traveling with Aegon.

[00:12:56]One of the great regrets of his life is that he didn't burn down the entire town during the Battle of the Bells and allowed Robert Baratheon to escape. It has been widely speculated that the fact that they used the bells as sort of a trigger for Daenerys to burn down King's Landing was just a weird attempt by them to stick a plot beat that George told them into the main story, which is that someone gets set off by the sound of bells and burns down King's Landing, probably setting off the wildfire. The conclusion that many people have come to, I think rightly so, is that if the bells are a trigger for someone to burn down King's Landing, it will absolutely be John Conington. And if you are fighting a war over Westeros, what is a greater example of just flipping the board than burning down the entire capital city of Westeros?

[00:13:46]Given the whole situation with the bells in the TV show and the fact that we seem to know King's Landing is probably going to get burned, there's just too much wildfire buried underground for George to not have it blow up at some point, especially given what we saw at the end of the television show. I think that it's pretty reasonable to assume that Young Griff's storyline will lead to a situation where he andor John Conington end up flipping the board and burning down King's Landing. And you could maybe even take the foreshadowing so far as to say Tyrion will be left there to pick up the pieces. At the end of the television show, I believe he was basically sentenced to being handed the king so that he can fix all these messes that he's made. Granted, in the show, they kind of whitewashed Tyrion. So, he wasn't the one who made so many of these messes, but I think in the books, he will definitely be responsible for a lot more of the messes that the realm is in.

[00:14:39]And so, I don't know if it'll be phrased the exact same way. And honestly, I can't remember exactly how it was phrased at the end of season 8 because I've only watched it one time. But yeah, I think at the end, Tyrion having to pick up the pieces is a decently foreshadowed situation. So all the way from the beginning of this Sevast game where Tyrion advises him not to use his dragon piece and then also sends him off to Westeros in real life without a dragon right through Aegon losing the game because he takes some bad advice and doesn't keep his dragon close all the way to the end where the Aegon camp flips the board and Tyrion has to pick up the pieces. It feels like there's a lot of foreshadowing going on here. I will just mention as well it could end up being more complicated than this in the end. I think that there is still some chance that Aegon ends up with a dragon at some point in the future, but he will probably end up fighting against Daenerys if he gets one. There is this idea of another dance of the dragon. So, it feels like at least one of the dragons has to be fighting against Dany.

[00:15:41]If that is the case, if he does get a dragon, he will have to make the mistake, I think, to have the dragon far away from him when he eventually gets defeated. I don't know exactly how the whole campaign will play out, especially if Aegon does get his hands on one of Dany<unk>y's dragons, but I do think it will probably follow the basic outline foreshadowed by this SAS game and possibly these two SAS games with the Golden Company possibly being burned by a dragon in a mountain pass. I think the burning of King's Landing will essentially be the flipping of the board when the game is lost. And I think that Aegon will probably lose because either he doesn't have a dragon or he doesn't keep his dragon close. But let me know if you guys can fill in any of the details, if there's anything that I've missed, or just any thoughts you have at all while you were watching this video.

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