️‍ Is God Down With The Gays? ️ The Christian Divide At London Pride

[00:00:00]Is homosexuality against God?

[00:00:02]>> Yes. God is the God of love. She is queer and she is fabulous.

[00:00:08]>> We're a tiny group of rebels fighting this alliance of homosexuality.

[00:00:12]>> Jesus never spoke any words about homosexuality. Jesus told us to love our neighbor.

[00:00:18]>> The Bible says [music] that you are doomed if you don't believe in him.

[00:00:22]>> Do you still recognize even though your your child identifies [music] as a man that your child is female?

[00:00:32]>> You'll be straight.

[00:00:33]>> [music] >> You'll be straight. You know why?

[00:00:36]Because you're going to find the truth.

[00:00:43]>> Here we've got uh a Christian man with a sound system.

[00:00:50]He's on his own. He's barricaded.

[00:00:53]He's got loads of signs and flags about sin.

[00:01:12]Here we have a a very a very different message.

[00:01:15]Also from Christians.

[00:01:18]So, there we've got Sorry about them.

[00:01:22]And by them, you're not talking about the non-binaries, are you?

[00:01:25]>> No, we're not. So, we're from a church in East Ham, uh Newham, and we are from Bonny Downs Baptist Church. And we're here to just promote a message that God is love and that you are beautifully and wonderfully made. And that yeah, we're just here to stand here with kindness and inclusion and love and be a counter message to what these guys next to us are doing. And yeah, and we just hope that Jesus just brings people hope, brings people joy, and that people just feel really connected by this experience together and not to Yeah, not to dismayed by this kind of hate being shown towards them. Just to see that there is real love and inclusion.

[00:02:08]>> Right. Now, he's saying that he's he's probably doing God's work.

[00:02:11]>> Exactly, yeah. And that's it. And that's why for us, we just stand here and try and conduct ourselves with real grace, with real dignity because they do they believe that God has sent them this message to save people. But in our opinion, um Jesus never spoke any words about homosexuality. Jesus told us to love our neighbor and that's what we're here to do. So, we're here doing God's work in a very different way to what these guys are doing. Um but yeah, we're just really proud to be part of the pride community. The majority of us here are kind of straight allies as well. Um so, you know, we just want to know we're standing with um our brothers and sisters and everyone else.

[00:02:51]>> All right. And Jesus has got some nice eye shadow, I see.

[00:02:54]>> So, Jesus um has been to pride for the past four years now. This is his fourth pride with us. He's been part of the parade and he's also been part of standing here. And um yeah, every year he gets more beautiful and more decorated. He's been to weddings. He's been to um birthday parties, hasn't he? Um yeah.

[00:03:16]Jesus, he brings such a brilliant reaction to the crowd. Like, we see some people go past who, you know, this is just horrible for them to witness. We get some brilliant reactions of people twerking and snogging in front of them. And then some people see Jesus, they just want to have a selfie. For some people, it's really moving. Oh, yeah. So many selfies with Jesus. But also for some people, it's a really moving experience because for them, they've been told that their sexuality or their identity and their faith don't go together.

[00:03:45]>> Yeah.

[00:03:45]>> And so for them to kind of see this can just be a really moving um experience for them.

[00:03:52]>> Yeah, I mean, I struggled with I'm Dutch, right? So, we're supposed to be progressive and open-minded, but I struggled with accepting being gay.

[00:03:59]>> Of course.

[00:03:59]>> Because of my I wouldn't say that I had a strict religious upbringing. It was quite Protestant, but just reading those scriptures, you know, it's an abomination and this and that.

[00:04:09]>> But there are so many things in that scripture that tells us is an abomination like trousers, tattoos, long hair. I mean, I know, right? So, there's lots of things that people just get very stuck on things that they are uncomfortable with and that they are wrestling with and that's what we believe these guys are here in doing.

[00:04:26]>> Now, I can see that you've got Sorry, what does it say? Be transformed by God's love.

[00:04:32]Uh looking for LGBT LGBTQIA Are you sure you've got them all on there?

[00:04:38]>> We think so.

[00:04:39]>> Cuz it keeps getting longer and longer.

[00:04:42]And we've got blessed the dolls.

[00:04:44]Uh Now, this And I love you as you are.

[00:04:48]What do you have there?

[00:04:50]You are beautiful in every single way.

[00:04:55]So, I got a bit of a a serious question for you. In the news and in politics, there's quite a lot going on about sex and gender.

[00:05:03]Like I said like we had the Supreme Court ruling last year um that said that sex in the Equality Act means sex um and not someone with a GRC.

[00:05:14]>> That's not the message.

[00:05:16]>> [laughter] >> No, the message is to go forth and multiply, which may be the same. But what what how do you feel we can best sort of navigate this conflict?

[00:05:24]>> I think it's about >> I know big one.

[00:05:27]>> Love and actually just continuing with the same message. The message doesn't change. Our message is one of love and acceptance and welcoming. And I think when you've proved as people have been part of a church or community where people don't feel welcome, um I think that's a horrible place to be.

[00:05:48]>> It is.

[00:05:48]>> It's, you know, and I think we don't want our church, we don't want our communities conveying that kind of message. So, I think we keep repeating the same message cuz it hasn't changed.

[00:05:59]>> Right. I'm quite a big fan of that Supreme Court ruling that says that sex means sex in the Equality Act because a big part of the the reasoning of the judges was that on that basis sexual orientation is protected, right? It basically said that homosexuality doesn't make any sense if you don't base it on sex. Whereas the trans community's telling us lesbians can have penises.

[00:06:23]So, they're kind of coming at us with a completely different idea of what a gay man and a lesbian is. And I don't know if we can if we can come together on that because they're two completely opposing world views.

[00:06:39]With that lesbians having to go to to the Supreme Court to defend the definition of lesbian.

[00:06:45]That's kind of mad, isn't it?

[00:06:47]>> There's no easy answers to this.

[00:06:49]But, I think everybody needs protection and I I wouldn't want my trans son to not be comfortable going into the bathroom of his choosing having seen his incredibly difficult journey to get where he is and to get where he accepts himself.

[00:07:07]Um, you know, I I I think that, you know, we've just got to keep having the conversations because there must be a way where we can accept everyone.

[00:07:15]>> So, are you kind of worried about the the AHRC guidance that's [music] come out?

[00:07:20]>> Yeah, I am a little bit worried about it. I'm just worried um that it might just be taken out of context and that people might start not exercising common sense because of that guidance. Right.

[00:07:30]We keep being told by politicians that the guidance is okay because people can still use their common sense. They can still be accepting. Right. But, sometimes when there's guidance telling you that it's okay to be to do a certain thing. People stop using their common sense. They stop using their pattern and their kind of natural ability to just accept people for who they are and they just go back to these words.

[00:07:54]>> Right.

[00:07:54]>> So, I think we've got to keep having the conversations. They're difficult conversations.

[00:07:58]>> Well, it must be very difficult for you as a parent.

[00:08:01]>> Yeah, I think we've just got to make sure everybody's got a seat at the table. I mean, you know, I my cousin's also married you know, my sorry, my niece is also married to a woman. You know, so I think you know, I have all these people in my life that are on the you know, maybe you would say on different sides of this conversation.

[00:08:16]>> I think we have yeah.

[00:08:17]>> Yeah, I think we've just got to keep making sure everybody has a seat at the table.

[00:08:22]>> What I think is really important is that I think we're coming at this very differently but that we can have a chilled conversation if you like.

[00:08:29]>> about it, yeah.

[00:08:30]>> Um absolutely. What sort of age range is your child in? Are they still quite young and then >> Nearly 30.

[00:08:37]>> Sorry?

[00:08:38]>> Nearly 30.

[00:08:38]>> Okay, so they're an adult.

[00:08:40]>> Yeah.

[00:08:41]>> And and where would they prefer would they prefer to go to the gents and feel safe in the gents?

[00:08:45]>> on his behalf.

[00:08:47]>> Right, okay.

[00:08:47]>> I'm not going to answer that question but I just I would want him as a parent to be able to be where he feels comfortable knowing how long it's taken him to feel comfortable in his own skin.

[00:08:57]>> And do they feel quite scared themselves at the moment?

[00:09:00]>> Um >> Or are they being more thoughtful about your event?

[00:09:03]>> He's just moved to Brighton, so >> Oh, Brighton, okay.

[00:09:07]I guess that answers it, doesn't it?

[00:09:09]>> [laughter] >> Yeah, it made me happy that you know, he'll find his tribe now.

[00:09:13]>> Now, I have a question for you and I don't mean this in a in a negative or a harsh way at all.

[00:09:21]Do you still recognize even though your your child identifies as a man that your child is female and that this matters in terms of health care and socialization and the effect of that?

[00:09:36]>> in some aspects of health care.

[00:09:39]>> Right.

[00:09:39]>> Um Right.

[00:09:52]Yes.

[00:09:57]Okay.

[00:10:01]Okay.

[00:10:03]And you feel they're in good hands because there are some people I feel who are providing this privately like Gender GP, like the Wellbeing Clinic which has now been told to stop operating basically that that that gender stuff. How do you find someone who's reliable in terms of providing that health care?

[00:10:28]And obviously your child is near nearly 30 so can get the testosterone.

[00:10:33]>> Yes.

[00:10:33]>> Okay. Wow.

[00:10:35]What a conversation, huh?

[00:10:38]Well, thank you for for your time and I hope you have a lovely day.

[00:10:43]And that you're spreading the message of love. I'm going to see if I can talk to those guys because I always think that's interesting, right?

[00:10:49]Well, I'll see if I can go that way.

[00:10:51]Thank you.

[00:10:53]>> You just a preacher for yourself or YouTube?

[00:10:56]>> Just a YouTuber myself. I tend to focus on the contrast between sex and gender or the conflict rather.

[00:11:03]>> Okay.

[00:11:03]>> I think that's quite a few things that we agree on but also quite a few things that we don't so this is why this is quite interesting.

[00:11:12]Sorry?

[00:11:12]>> Do you believe that God created the heavens and the earth?

[00:11:15]>> No. Now, I used to be Christian.

[00:11:18]I grew up Protestant but I kind of stepped away from that in my late teens early 20s.

[00:11:24]>> Have you read the Bible?

[00:11:26]>> Yes.

[00:11:27]>> Have you read Psalm 14:1?

[00:11:30]>> I don't I'm not very good with the numbers.

[00:11:32]>> It's a verse for atheists. It's the same in both. It says >> All right. Tell me about it.

[00:11:36]>> The fool have said in his heart, "There is no God."

[00:11:40]>> Okay.

[00:11:40]>> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, one of the signs.

[00:11:42]Yeah, the fool have said in his heart, "There is no God."

[00:11:44]>> Okay.

[00:11:45]>> So, it's That's the biblical estimation of those.

[00:11:48]>> That's not an actual argument though.

[00:11:49]That's just a judgement. If you don't believe it, you're a fool. Similarly, there are people who say that if you don't believe that trans women are women, then you're a bigot. Okay, it's not an actual argument. It doesn't get us anywhere. What I want to ask you about specifically is homosexuality, right? Because obviously that's why you're here today.

[00:12:10]So, I've just been speaking to some some Christians on the corner there.

[00:12:14]>> I don't know them, but I know he's against them, so >> They they're having a very different view.

[00:12:18]Right. So, this is what what I thought you might say. Are you basically saying that I am really straight and that I just need to realize it? Or is there a way to become ungay?

[00:12:30]Or is it just about not living gay?

[00:12:32]>> Well, one of the 10 Commandments is, "Thou shalt not commit adultery."

[00:12:37]Now, it's it's an encompassing commandment that includes all the sexual sins, which does include homosexuality. It includes fornication, gay, straight, whatever. It includes any sex outside a mono- a monogamous marriage between a man and a woman. So, any sex outside that and all that is sin.

[00:12:58]Well, they're not going to be having sex, are they? So, >> Right. So, if you're single, you have to be celibate.

[00:13:02]>> Effectively, yeah.

[00:13:02]>> Okay. All right.

[00:13:03]>> True love waits. Remember that movement, true love waits?

[00:13:06]>> What what church are you from?

[00:13:08]>> We were from different churches, but I I belong to the Free Presbyterian Church of Northern Ireland. That was the church founded by Ian Paisley in the 1951. Four of us have come over from Northern Ireland. Yeah, as you can imagine, it's Christianity is much more fundamental there.

[00:13:23]>> Yes.

[00:13:24]>> So, we came over to support this.

[00:13:25]>> Right.

[00:13:26]>> Because 4 years ago these got physically attacked by some of the people in the parade. I don't know who the people were, but you can watch videos of it, but >> Right. See, I didn't agree with that. I have a moral compass and >> Yeah, yeah. Totally people as well.

[00:13:38]Like, I mean, come on, man. That's a bit too far, but it looked quite scary. But so the next year we came and this is when they started separating the box like this. Before they didn't have a separate I I um they call it a clear zone or something like that. But um They before it was just that in front of the parade so people parading past would, if they could get away with it, but attack.

[00:14:00]>> Yeah.

[00:14:00]>> And um so we started coming over and this is our fourth year.

[00:14:05]And um we have a group a Facebook page um and a YouTube page called United Christian Witness UCW.

[00:14:14]And we go to most we try to go to all the pride events in Northern Ireland.

[00:14:20]Which as you can imagine it's by gay white standards it's quite backwards cuz homosexuality was only illegal legalized in 1984.

[00:14:29]>> Yeah.

[00:14:29]>> And gay marriage was only legalized in 2020.

[00:14:33]>> Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to get married? Like even in a civil way, not even >> I don't think it's marriage at all. But I remember in Northern Ireland when they were arguing for civil partnership and because it's quite fundamental there the civil the there was a lot of protesting against it.

[00:14:48]And they swore blind and said, "Look, just give us this. It definitely uh you know, pinky swear won't lead to gay marriage."

[00:14:57]>> Yeah.

[00:14:57]>> And literally as soon as they got that through the door they they pushed for gay marriage. And it really goes against the the kind of cultural consensus in Northern Ireland. It's a fairly Christian and that's Catholic and Protestant.

[00:15:10]>> So in terms of the the gays, should we basically is it okay to be gay but just not to sin?

[00:15:17]>> Well >> Or should we just completely get rid of homosexuality in >> Christians there. But the thing is with this is we don't Christians don't want a state. We're not wanting a government.

[00:15:27]We don't We're not telling people by law what they can or can't do.

[00:15:32]So, I'm quite friendly with this guy called Ryan who protests against us and he's he says he's a Christian and he's gay as well.

[00:15:40]>> Yeah.

[00:15:41]>> And we have to be kind of libertarian about it and the the libertarian view would be >> live and let live kind of it.

[00:15:49]>> More like what consenting adults do.

[00:15:52]It's not the state's it's nothing to do with the state's.

[00:15:56]And individually, it's completely up to them. Now, I can still say it's immoral and whether it's fornication straight or gay or whatever and they need to repent and get saved. But, at the end of the day, they're going to do what they're going to do and I've got no control over that, so.

[00:16:12]>> Right. Has Jesus said anything specific about homosexuality?

[00:16:16]>> Um no he doesn't himself, but we take the whole 66 of the bi- 66 books of the Bible as inspired by God, which means they're kind of the words of Jesus. Now, homosexuality in his day was punishable by death.

[00:16:31]>> Mhm.

[00:16:32]>> So, probably wouldn't have been a very big practical practically big thing.

[00:16:36]Maybe among the Romans and the Greek culture, but the his crowd wouldn't have had much to do do with it. There is a story of the woman caught in adultery where the Pharisees deliberately catch this woman. Someone has sex with her.

[00:16:52]>> Yeah.

[00:16:53]>> They catch them in the act. And according to Mosaic law, both of them were to be put to death.

[00:16:58]>> Right.

[00:16:59]>> And they bring They only bring the woman before Jesus to condemn her.

[00:17:04]>> What about the man?

[00:17:05]>> No, that's the hypocrisy of it cuz the man is one of them.

[00:17:08]>> Well, I I'm glad you recognize >> But, you know what he says to the woman?

[00:17:11]He says They say It says in the And the says be put to death, but they miss out he should be put to death, too. And he's writing on the ground and he says he that is without sin amongst you cast the first stone.

[00:17:23]>> Yes.

[00:17:24]>> And they all start feeling shame cuz obviously does it with the power of God and they all walk away.

[00:17:30]And in the end only the woman's left.

[00:17:32]And he says to her, "Where are those that condemn you?" Um and and she says, "Well, they're they're all gone."

[00:17:38]And he says to her, "Go and sin no more."

[00:17:42]Yes. And that's the message.

[00:17:44]>> Right.

[00:17:44]>> To you, if you want to be saved, go and sin no more.

[00:17:46]>> going to ask you what is your final message to the gays? So, that would be it. Sin no more.

[00:17:50]>> caught in adultery, go and sin no more.

[00:17:52]It was quite controversial cuz it had compassion for someone who was not really respected in that society. You could say in the '60s the gays say, not really now, but the gays kind of won everything now, don't they?

[00:18:06]>> We won everything.

[00:18:07]>> They won everything, yeah.

[00:18:08]>> We run everything.

[00:18:09]>> Everything state-wise, yeah. Well, you've got the state You've got the state, the media, education, the police, all pushing the gay agenda.

[00:18:18]>> Well, listen.

[00:18:19]>> like the punk rockers now, aren't we?

[00:18:21]We're the rebels. Look at us. We're a tiny group of rebels fighting this alliance of homosexuality and >> Right, but I I disagree with you there, but maybe not in a way that you might think.

[00:18:30]>> But you must admit there's some There's something to that, isn't it?

[00:18:34]>> But hold on. Let me Yeah, but let me let me let me answer you. Let me answer you because I think there's definitely an agenda, but I think it's a gender agenda. I don't think that's the homosexual agenda. Let me just say one more thing.

[00:18:45]>> Yeah, sure.

[00:18:46]>> Because what we're now finding as old-school classic homosexuals >> Yeah. Like Ian McKellen buying >> No, we like last year we had a ruling by the Supreme Court that said that in the Equality Act sex means sex.

[00:18:57]Right? And you have a man who claims to be a woman gets his gender recognition certificate that says F on it, he's still a bloke in the eyes of the law.

[00:19:05]And I'm really happy about that ruling because it also protects homosexuality because what you call the gay agenda, I call the queer LGBT QIA and BB to whatever what the love's agenda.

[00:19:17]We're just turning the whole of the world upside down telling me that gay men can have vaginas, that lesbians can have penises, that kids need to be sterilized out of puberty and I'm like hang on a second. [music] I'm not down with that at all. So when you talk about the gay agenda, I think we need to be very clear between separating all that broad agenda.

[00:19:36]>> The stuff that corporations are pushing kind of >> And >> shake over people's >> Cuz they're basically arguing against homosexuality.

[00:19:44]>> Check out this guy Edge of the Matrix on YouTube.

[00:19:46]>> I know him we've done some work together. Yeah.

[00:19:49]>> Cuz he says this thing about that clinic said they were transing away the gay.

[00:19:53]>> Yeah.

[00:19:54]>> And that makes sense cuz when I was at school there were obviously I'm 52 white so years ago there were a few kids. Like there was this kid called Gary Golego.

[00:20:02]He dressed as Wonder Woman and he spun around.

[00:20:04]>> Right.

[00:20:04]>> He tried to hug each other when I went back to where I come from the Isle of Wight.

[00:20:07]>> Yeah.

[00:20:07]>> I looked up and I saw him like combing his gay hair and they went oh Gary's gay and I was like no Sherlock. It was obvious he was gay when he was 6 years old.

[00:20:16]>> If I if >> They would say he's trans now cuz he was dressing as Wonder Woman.

[00:20:20]>> Yeah but see >> I'm only sorry but >> You're listening.

[00:20:22]>> If I was young today >> They say he was trans too.

[00:20:25]>> I would be that kid.

[00:20:26]>> And you'd probably get pushed along to it and by the age of 20 you'd have you'd have you'd have you'd have you'd be basically you'd be castrated.

[00:20:33]>> But also I was super girly, you know, I'm I'm still not particularly a blokey bloke. Um I'm also a twin and my twin sister was quite you know, a tomboy.

[00:20:42]>> Yeah.

[00:20:43]>> So they would if if there had been like a a Dr. John Money character uh or a Susie Green that spotted us, we would have been transed in an instant.

[00:20:52]>> people more more more than in some ways it's worse than it was back then.

[00:20:58]>> I think so.

[00:20:59]>> Because back then there were people around. Basically it wasn't >> Cuz most >> the 70s and 80s. It wasn't like unknown was it? It happened.

[00:21:07]>> No but now we're in social media and it's all over the place.

[00:21:09]>> In fact, the gays who were known to be gay there, if anyone bullied them, they got attacked. People stood up for them.

[00:21:15]>> I mean, not in not not in my case. I just got bullied relentlessly, but this is why >> Oh, yeah, it's like that in Northern Ireland. The whole frenzy in the way of the gay, I mean, I've been talking about this for years. Clinicians have been talking about it, you know, who work at the Tavistock. They they use that phrase.

[00:21:29]>> But there is a change happening. Like say a few years ago, you couldn't people were scared to say a man is a man and a woman >> No.

[00:21:35]>> woman. People couldn't even say that.

[00:21:36]>> If I if I stand in the middle of the street with a microphone and I say lesbians don't have penises, I'll get the same treatment that you get, which is mad. But anyways.

[00:21:45]>> Bless you.

[00:21:48]When you take a weak hospital tract, >> So, do you mind being on camera?

[00:21:55]>> No, I'm not a homophobic >> You're anyway I'll check you out on the internet.

[00:22:00]>> They talk about gay agenda.

[00:22:02]>> Yeah. They have an agenda, too.

[00:22:03]>> Of course. I'm just filming myself.

[00:22:05]>> The agenda is made up like I'm Catholic in the background.

[00:22:09]>> Yeah.

[00:22:09]>> And their agenda their agenda is misreading chapters of the Bible taken out of context. That's is an agenda.

[00:22:18]The and and the fosters they pushed on others their agenda.

[00:22:22]Being gay or being homosexual, being transsexual, even myself all this A+ BBB CCDD I can agree and disagree, but I it's matter of how people self-believe themselves. And that's why they're being created. Now, if he is he was talking about trans people etc. But does he have a if he had a kid that he has that kind of dysphoria, does he have the capability of knowledge to help that kid? Or he just goes with oh, Jesus Christ says this.

[00:22:52]>> But see, if I had a kid like that I would >> God says this. Uh does he know that there are kids that get they suicide because of type of parents like this?

[00:23:01]>> But see, if I a kid, like a boy, that said "Daddy, I think I'm a girl."

[00:23:08]I would say "You're not. You're a boy."

[00:23:12]>> I do agree with that. Biology is something, and I do agree with you. So, if you are sexually born a boy, sexually born a girl, you have to make it the the little boy or the little girl to understand that's your biology.

[00:23:25]>> And there are so many ways to be born a girl.

[00:23:27]>> And self-respect yourself for what you were born. However, you need to work with the boy or the girl to self-acceptance what his identity is, cuz mentally, he might think, "I'm in the wrong body on the wrong feeling."

[00:23:43]That's is the dysphoria.

[00:23:44]>> Yeah, and if you do not just say, "Oh, Christ >> make you like this, or Mary told you like that." Because also, if I have to read all these things, and you have ever studied the Bible, does these people eat pigs? If they going to read the Bible, nobody sweets, or prawns, or they're wearing all clothes with different fabrics, they should put to death stone, or Jesus Christ never spoke about homosexuality in the New Testament.

[00:24:14]>> He said that as well.

[00:24:14]>> Yeah, and Jesus Christ said, "Who is without the sin cast the first stone."

[00:24:19]Do they ever say these things about it?

[00:24:21]No. Because what they put through an app is an agenda. It's what they want to believe. And Sodomy, if you talk about Sodomy and Gomorrah, which is the usual things they bring about Sodomy, the etymology of the word is anal sex and oral sex.

[00:24:38]And you tell me that you never had oral sex or anal sex with your own wives or your own partner?

[00:24:44]>> But then, you know, it's love, and it's marriage, so >> It's an It's an agenda. Who's behind them? Who's giving to them the cash for doing this?

[00:24:52]>> Now, in terms of the trans stuff, I kind of feel it's time for the LGB and the T to have a divorce.

[00:25:00]Because I feel that they are their movement has completely overtaken ours. They're arguing against what homosexuality is. They say that lesbians are penises. They want to trans kids, most of them who will simply grow up to be lesbian or gay. To me, that's a huge conflict. And they already have their own pride coming up at the end of the month.

[00:25:19]>> I do agree with what you say 99.9%.

[00:25:23]What's I why I got that 0.1% is because I have friends that are transsexual, but they their transsexualism is built on not on adultery, not from the kids stage. And the kids stage is been I think wrongly interpreted by the media and also the push of a narrative by the media. That's what I felt cuz I have I have friends that have their kids that are straight family and things like that, but you can see that their kids are not happy they are because when you see a kid, a boy that that goes and play with dolls.

[00:26:04]They make you start to think about it.

[00:26:06]Why does that? It's not because the boy understands this is on a sexual aspect.

[00:26:12]Sexuality comes with later stages.

[00:26:15]Yeah, 14, 15. Yeah, later stages when you start to have your puberty and you start That's is like seeing yourself the boy or the girl see it seems himself wrong.

[00:26:26]There's something wrong. And then it's been tackled with the psychology.

[00:26:30]But the the psychology with people that really they can speak about what is the the problem behind that. And I don't I don't call it problem. I call it reality. That's life.

[00:26:43]It's like It's like you say if you're addicted to drugs, it's a problem. What do you but what's the root cause to be addicted to drugs?

[00:26:51]And it's in my opinion. That's why I say 0.0 >> Maybe you're right, but what is actually the percentage of the What is actually the percentage of the transsexuals in this world?

[00:27:03]>> And >> the percentage of trans people in this world? How many really >> This is a really good point.

[00:27:09]>> How many trans people we see in the real life?

[00:27:12]>> Yeah, but that's why I don't think it's right that all our policies and laws should be upended and rewritten along gender lines if they are such a tiny little group. Why do I have to redefine myself as a so-called cisgender man? I'm not cisgender.

[00:27:25]>> linear student, but also don't feel that they need to be protected as well.

[00:27:31]>> Protection? Nobody should be attacked.

[00:27:32]>> Exactly. That's what I was meaning. You cannot just pick it up and attack somebody.

[00:27:37]>> The last couple of years is how impressive the trans community is.

[00:27:42]I went along to Trans Pride last year, and they had so many signs that were advocating for violence against women who don't believe that trans women are women. You know, they have signs that say, uh, "Punch a TERF." Or "The only good TERF is a dead TERF." And they stand on Trafalgar Square shouting through a megaphone, "If you see a TERF, punch a TERF."

[00:28:01]>> I agree with that. This is wrong.

[00:28:02]>> And "Kill the TERF."

[00:28:03]>> Yeah, but but even in this gay pride, and when people go out and pick it up and uh, pick it up some videos and they put it online, right? They're going They're going to pick it up for some videos where people think like oh, they are externalized sexuality. You know what I mean?

[00:28:18]>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, too much.

[00:28:19]>> Too much.

[00:28:20]>> Like I saw a guy walking around with a butt plug up his ass. And I'm like, "Why are you doing that?" It's like, that doesn't do us any favors.

[00:28:27]>> No, it does it not.

[00:28:28]>> You know, you say that for the fetish club.

[00:28:29]>> I I do understand, and I agree with you.

[00:28:32]I don't think that this too I mean, you're pushing a narrative.

[00:28:37]Like, you know, the the way it's like as well pushing a narrative. But I do agree with the trans community. They they push the kind Okay, the kind of narrative they don't help themselves either.

[00:28:49]>> And they're not helping us because the backlash against them is also going to hit us.

[00:28:53]>> It's enough.

[00:28:54]>> Because they all they lump us all together. That's why I'm saying >> to go back on this.

[00:28:57]>> Is it time for a divorce?

[00:28:58]>> Yeah, but to back on this, that doesn't not help them either. Because this is an agenda and then it has to be an agenda for respecting each other. God is love and nobody says what kind of love you can impose on others. It's not written anywhere in the Bible. You can interpret it as you like, but it's not.

[00:29:17]>> Right.

[00:29:18]>> In my opinion, so.

[00:29:19]>> Thank you so much for that.

[00:29:21]I'm going to go and talk to some more people.

[00:29:22]>> Enjoy.

[00:29:23]>> Have a good day.

[00:29:26]I've kind of got up my hands full. There we go. Thank you so much.

[00:29:30]Ciao, ciao.

[00:29:32]Right, Jesus is everywhere today or at least this message. So here we have gentleman who his cap says, "I love Jesus."

[00:29:39]And here I love this shirt. Jesus is calling and you said he gave you a call, right?

[00:29:44]>> What?

[00:29:45]>> Jesus is always there.

[00:29:47]>> Uh-huh.

[00:29:47]>> It's not only today because not everyone here is sinner, but other people are sinners too because everyone is not righteous in this world. Jesus came for sinners who come to repentance.

[00:30:01]>> Right.

[00:30:02]>> And this is the opportunity for everyone, no matter who you are, Jesus still loves you as long as you recognize your sin.

[00:30:10]>> Right. And And I Is Jesus okay with the gays or >> Of course. He loves everyone, but he has to punish sin because everyone is a sinner. A liar, blasphemer, homosexuality, everything is a sinner.

[00:30:24]But you have to come to Christ in repentance because he said, "Come to me repentance and I will give you life."

[00:30:31]>> Okay.

[00:30:32]>> So if you don't come to him, I'm sorry to say not to offend you because I hate you. I love anyone, but the Bible says that you are doomed if you don't believe in him.

[00:30:42]>> Right. I'm going check my phone and see if I've got a voicemail or >> Yes. Sure. Sure. Of course.

[00:30:45]>> Have a good day.

[00:30:46]>> It's not your phone. It's your conscious.

[00:30:48]>> All right.

[00:30:48]>> That's your fault.

[00:30:49]>> Okay, doc.

[00:30:51]The Bible said Adam and Eve, so I did both.

[00:30:55]I just came across Ayla who says you are loved beyond belief.

[00:30:59]So, there are many Christians about today with kind of different messages. So, what is your message?

[00:31:05]>> The message is that God adores absolutely everyone precisely and exactly as they are. That all kinds of transformations take place through the unbelievable possibilities of the love of God. That belonging is precious and that God is the God of love. She is queer and she is fabulous.

[00:31:26]>> She?

[00:31:27]>> Oh, yeah.

[00:31:28]>> Not they.

[00:31:29]>> She, they, he, God is beyond gender. If God was only one gender, how boring would that be?

[00:31:36]>> Now, a phrase that is often used uh by the trans communities is born in the wrong body.

[00:31:42]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:31:44]>> How do you sort of I find it a bit tricky to square that with the idea that God is perfect and creates everyone in a perfect way. How do you look at that?

[00:31:54]>> Yeah. I think that trans lives absolutely and utterly matter infinitely and that every human being is always in a process of becoming and discovery and to be able to affirm and to celebrate and to stand with in solidarity every person through which of self-discovery. God, we believe theologically, is perfect, but no human being is perfect. The world isn't perfect and so being able to recognize and support one another in every single experience that grows the depth of human possibility and human joy is where God draws near.

[00:32:31]>> Okay. All right.

[00:32:33]Do you know what? I couldn't hear a word of what you're saying.

[00:32:35]>> Oh, well, >> hopefully it's in there.

[00:32:37]>> So, what I'll do is obviously I'll listen to it on the playback when I'm home cuz that that music is too loud.

[00:32:42]>> I'll be here all day.

[00:32:43]>> Okay. So, okay.

[00:32:47]So, Jesus, the way, the truth, the life.

[00:32:51]But you guys you don't agree with each other, huh?

[00:32:55]Do you think all gay is bad or all >> gay, straight, whatever gender you call yourself, but if you're going against God, you're going to find yourself in some which is a full health.

[00:33:07]>> Is homosexuality against God?

[00:33:09]>> Yes.

[00:33:11]>> So, should homosexual >> But God still loves them.

[00:33:14]>> Huh?

[00:33:14]>> But God loves them.

[00:33:15]>> Right. So, >> Because they have got a soul that God loved and Jesus died for those souls.

[00:33:19]>> Is your message then to gay people basically it's okay to be gay but it's okay not to live as a gay person, like don't sin?

[00:33:26]>> No, you're going to find your true meaning, your true identity when you find Jesus.

[00:33:30]>> Right. So, what do you mean? Like I'm I'm a gay man but you >> Right now, in the eyes of God or in the Bible, you are a vessel.

[00:33:39]>> A vessel?

[00:33:40]>> A vessel.

[00:33:40]>> Yeah.

[00:33:41]>> Meaning you could put anything in like a water bottle of water, right? You could put anything in that bottle of water.

[00:33:47]>> Yeah.

[00:33:47]>> You could put anything. That's what you are right now.

[00:33:49]>> Right.

[00:33:50]>> You're just a vessel and God wants you to receive him as his Lord and personal savior so you can receive the spirit of God. Meaning that vessel >> Right.

[00:33:59]>> can receive the spirit of God. That's where you're going to find your true identity because God knows you from the beginning and he knows you and right now you feel before the end before he ended you've been stumbling.

[00:34:11]>> Yeah.

[00:34:12]>> You've been seeking things what the world doesn't want you to >> And then once I do that, would I basically could I be straight?

[00:34:19]>> You're going to you're going to find your true meaning. Of course, you'll be straight.

[00:34:25]YOU'LL BE STRAIGHT. YOU KNOW WHY?

[00:34:27]BECAUSE you're going to find the truth.

[00:34:29]Because God if God knows you, right? And if God from you know you from the beginning to the end.

[00:34:35]From the in between that we have been We have been molded by the world which we not supposed to be.

[00:34:44]If you get what I'm saying. So we build our self what the world provided and God doesn't want you to be like that. But when that time before you end seek Jesus. When you receive the spirit of God you going to know your true meaning. You going to know your true identity because God is going to be in you.

[00:35:04]>> Right.

[00:35:05]I need God in me not a man. Not a man in me but God.

[00:35:08]>> You If you a woman you going to be a you going to be a true woman.

[00:35:11]>> Maybe next year I'll see you and I'll be like hey man I'm straight now.

[00:35:16]>> Praise the Lord. I hope so. God willing.

[00:35:18]GOD WILLING.

[00:35:19]>> HAVE A GOOD DAY.

[00:35:20]>> NOW.

[00:35:20]JUST just read this Bible. This might be the This This might be your a voice. God is calling you to read the Bible his word.

[00:35:28]Just read his word because he loves you man. But I know I You You got a beautiful heart.

[00:35:33]>> Okay.

[00:35:34]>> that already. You got a beautiful heart.

[00:35:35]But what what the But the problem is the world has molded you to the things that separates you from God. And he God wants you back.

[00:35:44]Be who you are what he created you to be is to serve him and glorify his name.

[00:35:49]And what you doing right now is going to be glorifying God when you seek Jesus.

[00:35:53]>> Okay. So who knows next year I'll be at least straight.

[00:35:56]>> Amen. GLORY TO GOD.

[00:35:59]GOD BLESS YOU.

[00:36:00]>> THANKS.

[00:36:01]So what do you think? Have I got it in me to go straight? I actually thought he was quite cute. Should have asked him on a date. But I guess I have a choice now either the almighty or a man or in other words God or grinder. What do you think I should do? Let me know in the comments below. Or perhaps you saying man oh you know you can have the best of both worlds. And you know sometimes in the throws of passion with a man I do end up calling at the almighty's name, so who knows? They could go together quite well. But anyways, that's it for me for now. Thank you so much for watching. I shall see you in the next one, and until then, let's keep it real and keep smiling.

[00:36:40]Ciao.

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