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Sekhie Reacts to Fate: Dante Alighieri
Added:Rejoice everyone. We're back with another sexy reacts to fate. This week, Dante Aligiri.
>> Forgive me, father who art in heaven. I have sinned. And by that I mean Dante.
>> Now, on a normal day, we would immediately go into the the historical section, but we are not going to be able to do it this time. This time, Saki is similar to Dante, going to be using a second version of herself to tell this story.
>> It's called fanfiction, don't you know?
>> So, Dante Aligaryi is, I think, undisputedly one of the greatest poets of our time. And as I already joked about a little bit, um, sort of like one of the forefathers jokingly of modern fanfiction, right? Um, I don't think that we can necessarily trace a direct line of fanfiction to and from Dante Aligiri, per se, because there's sort of a difference between writing fanfiction and then kind of quoting and referencing other people's works and real people in your own works, right? Because otherwise, we'd have to kind of uh count some of the Greek philosophers as well in their dialogues as as being fanfiction. And I I do think that that would be stretching the definition a fair bit, but I don't think it's I don't think it's un uh what's what's a good word for this? I don't think it's unfair to say that in the modern day we take a lot of sort of reference to Dante as like a poet and a fanfiction writer, right? Because the Divine Comedy is about a lot of other things. It's not necessarily a work that stands on its own. um completely separated from the history in which it was written, the time period, the place, the events of Dante Allegi's life um and the people that he himself knew of and had read about, right? Um and I personally have an interesting past with Dante Aligiri and the Divine Comedy because um I had a I had this class in high school where I ended up essentially serving as um a research assistant for a teacher. And to be fair, that is what she called it as well. Uh because she was like, I don't need you, you know, you're here as a a teacher's assistant and I don't need you to uh grade things and I don't need you to to kind of print things out, but what you can do is you can do a ton of research for me on Dante Aligiri and The Inferno since, you know, I'm reading it with one of the other classes and then you can give me all that research. So, um if I could have found the original PowerPoint I made, I would have shared it here. Uh, but I don't think it I don't think it exists anymore in a way that I can access. Just too old of an account. Not, you know, not connected to any of the accounts I currently have today to to kind of retrieve on I want to say it was a Google Slides, but it, you know, it might have been a Microsoft PowerPoint and that could have also been the issue.
Either way, so I think we'll we'll talk about Dante Aligiri, the person, the poet. Um, and then we'll talk about the Divine Comedy and Dante's place inside the Divine Comedy along with Virgil and all the other characters that are particularly important. Now, I don't think it is particularly important to go over every single person that Dante listed and quoted in his Divine Comedy that was a real person or a historical person because I think that amount totals up to something over 1,400 mentions of other people that you could all research independently. Um, and I did do that for my teacher and it was the work of many, many months and it is largely unnecessary.
Um, but you know, should you be interested in that, you can definitely search that out yourself because there's some really really interesting stuff that that kind of happens throughout the course of the Divine Comedy when you're looking at the history of Dante and like where he lived and when he lived and the things he believed and the people that he mentioned in the Inferno and the Purgatorio and Paradisio. Um, so yeah, that's kind of important to know. Now um generally in in Italy he's regarded as one of like the greatest poets that the country has ever produced right so he's one of the three supreme poets the ilno poeta dante petrarch and bokacio the three crowns um and he has a very particular way that he writes uh his uh rhyme scheme it's called the terzar and we know that his depictions of hell, purgatory, and heaven have influenced um artists and other authors for literally ever since it was published, right? Like the circles of hell, the the levels, the way that it's all divided up, that's still incredibly um active in the way that we portray heaven, hell, and purgatory um in both art and uh writing today. So, that's important to note here. Now, the wonderful thing about Dante is that this actually isn't too far back in history. So, we have a lot of very specific knowledge about his life. So, we know that he was born in May of 1265. And we know that he died around the age of 56 in September of 1321. I believe it's on the 14th or the 15th of the month. Um, if I were to look at the Wikipedia page that's up in front of me, it would be the 14th. Okay. So, I was I was right. Um, he was born in Florence. I've actually visited um his house in Florence. I had the wonderful luck to be able to do that. However, he died in Ravena, right? Um and his the tomb of Dante is in Ravena currently and there is a reason for that and we are going to get into that. Um, so Dante Aligiri, full name, uh, probably baptized as Dante de Aligerro Degli Aligeri, right? Because that would have been his his full governmental name, as one could say, but he wrote under Dante Aligiri.
Um, now the the reason why we know that he was born in approximately May 1265, because we don't have an actual birth date for him, is actually from the first section of the Inferno, right? where he says uh delmetraita or midway upon the journey of our life.
And now that implies that he was a kind of middle of the way through his his uh average lifespan at that time, right?
You think about the average lifespan that was given in the the Bible, right?
Is 70 years. And keep in mind this is all incredibly connected to the Bible and Christianity. So midway through the journey of life would actually refer to the 70 years that's alluded to in the Bible and would in fact indicate 35, right?
Um so this gives us a birth date of around 1265 if you if you know that his uh travel took place in around 1300. Um and then in Paradiso uh he says as I revolved with the eternal twins I saw revealed from hills to river outlets.
Um, and the eternal twins is most likely a reference to Gemini putting him under uh May, right? Late May um to early June.
And I know that because I am a Gemini myself, late May to early June. Uh so is my mother and my grandmother. Um just a whole Gemini family. Um but yeah, in 1265, Gemini would have been between May 11th and June 11th in the Julian calendar because the calendar dates do shift. Now, supposedly in the inferno, he claims that he was descended from the ancient Romans, but he actually can't list um a relative by name directly connected to him earlier than about 1100. But we do know that his father, Aleo de uh Bellion, was a businessman, right? He was he also participated in money money lending. And it's highly likely that his mother was a member of the noble family, the Abatis in uh Florence. Now, she died when he was quite young. I think about 10. Um, and his father would then marry again to Laadi Kerisimo Chaluffi or I think it's Chalofi. Um, and she would bear him two children. He had a half brother Franchesco and a half sister Gana. Um now while Dante was alive there were in in northern Italy the country was basically it's not a country it's a it's a collection of citystates. The citystates were split into two distinct uh political factions around the pope right the gulfs who supported the the papacy and the giines who supported the Holy Roman Empire. Now his family was loyal to the gulfs. Um but in 1260 so just uh just a few years before his birth uh the Gibblines had taken over Florence right forced out a lot of the Gulfs at the time. Now because of Aliguero his father's uh relatively low public standing as just a business common businessman and money lender he didn't really suffer any reprisals from this takeover. Um and within a year of his birth, the the gulfs would um fight the battle of Benavvento and end up retaking Florence from the Giblines. So for the for the early parts of his life, this didn't largely affect him, this political gulf um that was occurring in northern Italy.
Um, and then in a in something that's going to become rel relatively important later because we are talking about what Dante says about himself because a lot of what we know about his like specific life circumstances come from what he says about himself in his various uh sections of the Inferno, Purgatorio, Parthesis and other writings. So we know that when he was 12 he was promised in marriage to Gemma Manato Donati, right?
And we know that he ended up marrying Jemma Donati um and had four children.
However, before he was 12, he claims to have met Beatatrice Portinari, daughter of Falco, um when he was approximately nine and fell in love with her at first sight without even talking to her. Now, obviously, he was contracted in marriage to Gemma. But he loved Dante, right? He claimed to see her frequently after he turned 18. He would exchange greetings with her, etc. and his romance with Beatatrice is highly uh visible in this uh in in the divine comedy, right? And when I say romance, I mean this sort of like apparently one-sided um attraction and love that he held towards Beatatrice, right? Um he's he's written sonnetss to her whereas he doesn't mention his wife in sonnets um and so on and so forth. So, Beatatrice is important to him, but not important to his actual history.
Presumably, he would have studied at home um or in a in a monastery or church chapter school as a child, although we don't have confirmation of this. Um we do know that he did study Tuscan poetry and that he really admired Guido Guinelli.
Um he once called him like his his father, right, in the in the Purgatorio.
Um and I think in this case it probably means like father in learning that sort of thing. Um because that's what what he would have known him from. Uh he also knew about the provinial poetry of the trodors and the Latin writers of classical antiquity antiquity which is very evident in the divine comedy right Cicero Avid and Virgil. Virgil is going to be very important to Dante going forward and for the rest of his life and writings basically.
Um now most of the interactions that he describes of himself having with having with Beatatrice right are are a prime example of what was this idea of courtly love in sort of French and provenial poetry right um and it was pretty typical right the experience that he wrote about it um but he called it uh he called it the dolce deloo the sweet new style right um and this ended up becoming um a a literary movement all of its own, right? Um and this would end up being pretty interesting in most of his writings because he kept writing for Beatatrice. Um you know, his reason for writing, his reason for living, um his reason for having passion. Um and she could be depicted at times as literally semi- divine or a spiritual leader. um that's like genuinely how important that she was to him despite the fact that they had no genuine relationship. Um he also dedicated himself to philosophical schools uh and religious schools. He directly participated in mendicant order disputes held in Florence.
um and in general was a pretty well-educated religious uh man, right, growing up. Like he he went to school, he he read the works of poets before him. Um he formed opinions on on church politics um and philosophy and such and he was not afraid to explain them and and host debates and and argue with people about that. Um around 18 he met Guido uh Kavocanti, Lapoani uh China de Pistioa um and Brunetto Latini and they became orders of this new movement that he had named right the dolce uh Dolce del Novo.
Brunetta would be mentioned in the Divine Comedy um later on and there's uh poetical commentaries written by Dante um that are that regard painting and music and other things that these men studied together.
Now the the thing about living in Florence right at this time because of the Gulf Giblene conflict is that you don't really get out of it right once once you are an adult and once you can form political and religious opinions there's no way to kind of avoid the conflict um like genuinely he he fought with the Gulfs um against the Giblines multiple times um ended up obtaining um an admission to the guild of physicians and apothecary ies uh because of the association between philosophy and and medicine. Um and also to further his political standing because he he did end up uh being able to hold public office in Florence. Um and he did have a pretty distinct uh career as a politician over the years. Now after the Gibblines were defeated, right, the Gulfs divided themselves into two factions. The Gui Bianke, which was Dante's party, right? and the gui uh ner which was led by the donatis. Um the split was originally founded along family lines but ideological differences would naturally arise. You were looking for something to feud over at that point. Um the the black glyphs would support the pope and the white the white glyphs wanted more freedom um throughout Rome.
So uh the the white glyphs took power and and cast the black glyphs out of Florence. But um Pope Bonaface 8 planned a military occupation of Florence in response to this. Um and in 1301 Charles who was uh the brother of Philip IVth of France uh was supposed to visit Florence because the pope had appointed him as a peacemaker. Uh but the city's governor treated the pope's ambassadors so badly because of how much they wanted independence from papal belief um that instead um Charles didn't end up going and so the council sent Dante and the and a delegation to persuade the pope not to send Charles to Florence right they didn't they didn't want him there um now Bonifas dismissed all the other delegates that were sent and asked Dante to remain in Rome at the same time Charles of entered Florence with the black gulfs um destroyed a huge portion of the city um and installed a new government with um Kante de Gabrieli de Gubio uh appointed at the head of the city. Now Dante who was a member of the white gulf um uh family was essentially condemned to exile for years and ordered to pay a fine. Um he was accused of corruption, financial wrongdoing um during the time that he was in office. Um and during all this he was still living in Rome um as the pope had suggested that Dante should stay uh in Florence under the um black gulfs which then therefore considered him anconders. So that the pope was like you should stay here and then the pope was like you stayed here um and Charles of entered the city and now you are in trouble. Um so this kind of like a catch 22. Uh Dante did not pay the fines mostly because he didn't believe that he was guilty and also his assets had been seized. So unfortunately he couldn't return to Florence without paying this fine or be condemned to being burned at the stake. So he kind of stuck himself in perpetual exile. Like his exile originally would have been broken had he paid the fines and come back to the city. But because he refused to and he couldn't, that was not an option. Um actually in fact this uh uh this um motion this this exile actually lasted until 2008 officially where the city council of Florence like in 2008 passed a motion resending his sentence which is absolutely wild.
Now Dante did take part and and support several attempts to regain power by the white gulfs uh but none of them succeeded. Uh he was bitter and and disgusted at the ineffectiveness and the infighting between his allies and his party. Um and basically said, I like [ __ ] you all. I'm going to go become a party of one and figure this out or just live away from you people believing in what I believe is right. So he ended up in Verona as a guest of Bartello the first Deliscala and then he moved to uh Sarzana and eventually he supposedly lived in in Luca, right? And so he kind of traveled all over the place, right?
One source says he went to he went to Oxford um etc. although we don't have any genuine evidence of that per se. Um but his his ideas traveled really widely in this time even though he himself might not have ever left Italy. He did travel pretty you know widely through Italy at the time. In fact, his uh immense day um deion testante actually made it to Henry VIIth of Luxembourg um who would confirm that he he lived near Tuskanyany. Um so in 1310, Emperor Henry VIIth, right, the Holy Roman Emperor marched into Italy uh with 5,000 troops and Dante was like, "Oh my god, this is the new Charlemagne. He's going to restore the Holy Roman Emperor to its glory, retake Florence. Um he's he's going to he's going to do all of these things that we wanted as a faction. And because of this, I must support him. So he wrote to Henry demanding that they destroy the Black Gulf faction. Um he would mix private and religious concerns, invoking the anger of God upon his city and suggesting his own personal enemies as targets. Um, and this at this point he actually wrote the de monarchia which proposed that Henry VIIth lead a universal monarchy as the Holy Roman Emperor. Um, and it's it's at some point during this exile, right, that he starts writing the Divine Comedy, right? Um, the Divine Comedy is incredibly ambitious. It's it's bigger and more involved than anything he'd ever written in Florence. Um and it's highly unlikely right that this would have been written uh without his political ambitions having formed the basis of it right um because like he wouldn't have had time he wouldn't have had the the the kind of drive to write this sort of work had he been insourced happily in Florence um and during this time Beatatrice was once more at the forefront of his mind as we will see when we talk talk about the divine comedy.
So, in 1312, Henry VIIIth um assaulted Florence and ended up defeating the Black Gulfs, although there's no actual evidence that Dante himself was involved. Um, and there are a couple different theories for that. One that maybe he didn't want to help like a foreigner, but also he wrote to him like he he was super supportive of him. So, that to me doesn't seem super super um important.
Uh but unfortunately the the year later uh Henry 7th died from fever. Um and without sort of without the power of Henry to to to take over the monarchy as the Holy Roman Empire and excuse his his fines and allow him to return to the city. That was sort of his last chance of returning to Florence dying. He ended up returning to Verona where he was allowed to live in in [clears throat] a fair degree of security under uh Deliscala again. Um and because of this k grande was added into paradiso. Um one thing that you'll notice about if you read um inferno purgatorio and paradiso is that you can directly see the people that he believed were kind of good versus bad in his life and the people he agreed with versus didn't because he will just straight up put them in either paradiso or inferno.
In 1315, Florence was forced to grant amnesty to all those in in uh exile because of uh Ujion de la Fagiola um which included Dante. But Florence required public penance in addition to a high fine and Dante refused to pay this um when he was when uh when uh when Deliola was uh eventually defeated, right? because he had been a military officer controlling Florence.
Dante had been sentenced to death, right, upon like pain of entering Florence, right, and that sort of thing.
So, this sentence was commuted to house arrest on the condition that he had to go to Florence, swear he would never enter the town again. And he refused to do that. So, his death sentence was confirmed and extended to his sons. Um, so he could not enter Florence and would not ever be allowed to. Um, unfortunately, he did spend the rest of his life hoping that somehow this would change. He spent his final days in Ravena, where he had been invited to stay in 1318 by its prince. Um, and died of malaria, which he had uh obtained on a diplomatic mission to Venice. Um, he was attended by his children and possibly his wife, um, and buried in the church of San Pierre Major, also called the Basilica de San Francisco. Um, a tomb was erected for him in 1483, about 150 years after his death. Um and on the grave a verse of Bernardo uh Kanachio one of his friends says Parvi Flor Florentia Matar amores Florence mother of little love.
Now in 1329 the cardinal um Bertrand de Du Poett classified his monarchia the writing he wrote about uh Henry VIIth the Holy Roman Empire emperor as heretical and wanted to have his bones burned at the stake. Um, however, some people kind of were like, "Nah, you can't do that. You can't do that."
Florence would eventually regret exiling Dante. Uh, Florence made several requests for return of his remains. Uh, but the custodians of his grave in Revena refused. They even, uh, hid his bones in a false wall of the monastery.
Florence actually built a tomb for Dante in 1829 in the Basilica of San Croke.
Um, and it has been empty ever since.
Uh, his body remaining in Ravena. the font uh the front of his tomb in Florence actually reads honorate laimo poeta honor to the most exalted poet which to me is you know very very ironic given that it was until 2008 I mean granted the 2008 revocation of his exile is more of a sort of just a lip service to it but the fact that you know he remained exiled and under threat of death for his entire life and that only later did Florence want him back as he was becoming being famous and and so well known and one of like the the greatest of Italian poets is incredibly incredibly hilarious to me because you don't know a good thing until you lose it basically.
Um supposedly there's a death mask of him this uh displayed in the Palazzo Veio. Uh but we don't actually think that's a true death mask. We actually think it was carved in 1483 when his uh grand tomb was made in Ravena.
[snorts] Um biographies of Dante started being published within about 20 years of his death. The first by Giovanni Bokachio.
Um and even even so much later as 16th 19th century uh people were writing about you know what he might have believed in like the modern day. Um John Bale and John Fox argued that he would have been protoprotestant because of the way that he opposed the pope. Um and in the 19th century there was a huge revival of medieval literature and Dante itself as part of uh romanticism with Thomas Carile calling him the hero as a poet. Um Italy named their first dreadnot battleship after him. In 1921 on the 600th anniversary of his death, Pope Benedict the 15th um uh published an encyclical named in Pclara Samurum naming him one of the celebrated geniuses of whom the Catholic faith can boast um highlighting his philosophical and theological uh debts, right? And and what they owe to him. In 1965, Pope Paul V 6th also honored him and donated a golden uh Greek cross to his uh burial site in Ravena on the 700th year of his birth uh which was then blessed by Pope Francis in 2020.
Let's see.
And then for the 750th anniversary of his death in 2015, um a grand celebration was held at the uh Senate uh of the Republic um which included commemoration from Pope Francis um who also issued the apostolic letter Condo Luchius Eternary.
Um most of his literary body of work was published after his exile. Um there's only one work that really predates it and that's Lvita Nova which is a collection of sonnetss and songs. Um also containing primarily the story of his love for Beatatrice who would be uh like very very pivotal in most of his later works.
>> [clears throat] >> Now, the thing to know about Virgil, right, the character Dante and Virgil in the Divine Comedy, right, is that the the way the what the Divine Comedy does is it follows what happens to a soul after death, right? It shows you divine justice. Dante is is called by Beatatrice, right, to come and experience something. And Beatatrice is is sort of semi- divine um prophetic in this sense. and she introduces him to she gets him to Virgil, right? And Virgil then takes him on a tour, right?
You start in um you start in uh inferno, right? The in in purgatory and hell. Um and you know, as an allegory, this is sort of the the soul's journey towards God, right? You have to recognize and reject the sins of the inferno. You have to understand the penitent life of a of a good Christian in purgatorio. And then you follow the the ascent up to to God and paradise in Paradiso. Um so Virgil represents human reason and Virgil guides him through all of Inferno and most most of Purgatorio. So he takes them through all the different levels.
He introduces him to famous names and and figures in each of the levels. And he and he tells him why he might why these people were on this level. Um if Dante himself doesn't already know, right? Um then Beatatrice uh represents divine revelation. She guides him from the end of purgatorio forward in the story. Um and then uh St. Bernard of Clairvo um who represents kind of mother Mary devotion and stuff guides him through the final KTOS of Paradiso.
Originally the work was simply titled comedia uh but eventually it be it became known as divinia comedia or the divine comedy. [snorts] Now the divine comedy is composed of approximately 14.2,000 lines. These are divided into three kish right so each is a singular singular kika inferno purgatorio and paradiso.
Each one consists of 33 ktos right um kto being the plural of kanti. Um [cough and clears throat] the initial KTO right that serves as the introduction to the poem. Um and most people consider it to be part of the first kantika actually brings the total amount of ktos to to 100 right although however most people agree that the first two ktos serve in in kind of one space as a as a single unitary prologue to the entire story. um and that um the opening first two ktos of each kantika serve as prologus to each of the three kish.
Now obviously as you can tell the number three is incredibly prominent in this um the kish the can the ktos the kantika um the verse scheme we talked about terzar is a hendiselabic so lines of 11 syllables with lines com uh made up of teretses and the rhyme scheme is aba bcb c d c d e d and so on. um the number of syllables in each turset is 33 which is the same as the number of the cantos in the kantika. So there's also a heavy layer of intention going on here. And the thing to note about poems like Virgil Zened or Dante's uh you know divine comedy are that when you put so much effort into meeting like these specific formats and layouts and stuff every single word you use is purposeful.
Right? You are filling out a salabic requirement. you are filling out um a line length requirement, you are filling out a a rhyme scheme requirement. Every single word you use across this poem is purposeful. It is important. It is chosen to be there for a reason. Right?
So, if you ever hear someone talking about, you know, Dante's Divine Comedy and you you may maybe to yourself maybe to yourself you think they're thinking into it too much. Maybe they're making more use of this word being used than you really think it matters. It does. It does because to meet strict requirements like this, you have to be incredibly specific about the words that you are using and how long they are and what they mean and their alternative meanings. And so you could spend an entire lifetime studying the Divine Comedy um and finding new things and new little inferences and meanings and such.
like we will never stop finding new things about it because it's all dependent on who reads it, when you read it, what you know of the original text, etc. Right? That's one of the things that makes works like this so incredibly impressive and important.
Of the three works, the Paradiso is obviously the most theological. It is the work in which Dante comes face to face with the uh triune God, right? The father, son, and the holy spirit, etc., or whatever you want to call it. Um, personally in the readings, I actually find Paradiso the hardest to read of the three because I think it carries the most uh sort of symbolic meaning and like theological undertones. And I, you know, that's not a bad thing. It just it makes it much harder for me to read.
Purgatorio to me reads almost entirely as like a guide, right? You how to live your life, how to be a good Christian, right? This is sort of a a a dos, right?
a list of what you do need to do, like all of the physical and mental things you need to have taken care of before you get to the metaphysical level of Paradiso where you're meeting with, you know, the god himself. Um, and then Inferno is a grudge match. Um, I love Dante's Inferno because it is an absolute [ __ ] [ __ ] fit that he is throwing um towards everything in his life. He is expressing his dissatisfaction with the people around him, with the people he knew, with people historically, with politics, with theocracy, with theology. Um, like he the inferno is his chance to get out all of this anger and feelings and and dislike for people, right? And just put them down onto page, right? Um, recognize sins and and then banish them out of your thoughts and minds, right? Um, and Dante is such a judgmental little [ __ ] And I do love that for him, right? Like for for all that, you know, he created uh Dolce Dooo, right? And for all that he's associated with sort of theological debate and like the love of Beatatrice and that sort of thing. I want nobody here, right, to come away from this video forgetting the fact that Dante is, was and will forever be a salty little [ __ ] about everything that ever went wrong in his life, right? Um, and that is to be admired. This managed to publish a tr essentially a trilogy of epic poetry, one of which is just him having a [ __ ] fit about everything he dislikes in the world. um and all of the people he dislikes in the world. Um and it still became one of the greatest works that humanity has ever produced.
So, you know, in conclusion, Dante is incredibly important and you can't you can separate Dante in the Divine Comedy.
Flip over my page from Dante in history, but he doesn't want you to in the inferno, right? So, why should you separate them entirely? you can keep them separate, but you don't need to keep them separate. Um, which makes it even better. Now, uh, obviously for access, you can actually, uh, access several versions um, of the translation online for free, right? It's been translated many, many times, um, over the course of many, many years. Uh, I personally have at least three different translations. Um, and I have one with the illustrations from Gustaf Dore, which we we're going to talk about coming up in a little bit. Um, and the original format that I read this in was I have a set of books. You open them up.
One side is the original Italian, one side is an English transliteration. Um, so the the original way that I read this was reading the original Italian and then reading the English that went alongside it when I was way up on my Latin. Like this was back when I was actively doing Latin every single day.
And so the Italian for me was kind of coming from directly from the Latin. And since it's an older form of Italian, I was actually getting quite a bit out of it in that way. Um, however, I don't necessarily recommend that as a way to read it to anyone else. Uh, but there's some really good translations you can get for free online or you can find copies of this just about anywhere and it is worth reading whether you are a religious person or not, whether you are a particularly Catholic person or not, it doesn't really matter. Um, it's it's pretty it's pretty worth reading.
>> All right. All right. And that was a wonderful story, Saki.
>> I know. I'm such a good story spinner.
>> So, what class are you thinking?
>> Uh, caster.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. The way you said that made me feel like I was wrong. Um, I feel like I always need the clarification. Is he regular or extra class?
>> Do you want me to answer that?
>> Um, no. Okay. If he's in the regular classes, I think he's going to be a caster. If he's in the extra classes, I could Oh, I could see him being like maybe an Avenger or something.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
Yeah.
something to do with all the the exile and the return and the exile and the return and the you know all the writing of people that you dislike into your personal Dante's Inferno tale in horrible layers of hell. Um which I I really admire. You know who else did something similar to that? You know the guy who painted the Sistine Chapel?
>> Yes.
>> So there there was a there was a priest I think or something that he really really disliked. So he painted him into the lower corner of the Sistine Chapel with donkey's ears and like some sort of weird dick thing. I we we love artists taking artistic license to express their hatred for people around them contemporarily, you know.
>> Yeah. So Dante is actually a pretender class servant.
Okay.
>> He's obtain he's a pretender class servant obtaining this class cuz he's the real life Dante Aligiri pretending to be his fictional portrayal in the Divine Comedy.
>> But the divine the Divine Comedy is already a straight self insert. He literally inserts himself and the woman he loved and goes, "Oh my god, senpai, I love you." To a [ __ ] Virgil.
>> But he didn't. So the divine comedy did not literally happen in tight moon.
>> Oh.
>> So he is right here sitting cuz in the Dante Aliguri in the Divine Comedy is a different person ultimately.
>> Yeah.
>> Than Dante Aligiri. He's just pretending to have done all the accomplishments and [ __ ] that he did in the Divine Comedy.
>> I mean bold of you to assume that you know >> that he didn't do that in real life.
>> Yeah. Also, smash >> wood. Uh, can you do me a favor?
Actually, um, behind that present bag, um, there's a set of books lying horizontally. Do you think you could pull me out the Divine Comedy? It's the third one down in the horizontal books.
The red >> um, third one down.
>> Next shelf down.
>> Next shelf down.
>> Next shelf down. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, there's a reason for this.
>> I'm just going to pull out the box. I don't know how sturdy that box is.
>> It's pretty sturdy, but it doesn't really matter.
Um, because I've got I've got a point to make.
So, I have uh this is one of my copies.
I have like four copies of you'll see them in the you've seen them in the past with a different me from the future. Um anyway, so this is like the entire uh Divine Comedy in a single book, right?
Because it's not incredibly incredibly long. But the interesting thing to note about this edition is it has some it has illustrations by Gustav Dor, right? I don't know if you've ever seen Dor's illustrations for So Dor is probably the most famous illustrator of Dante's Divine Comedy because he basically went through the entire book and made uh plate uh plate drawings for basically all of the major scenes. But if you look at this art and you look at this one, do you notice a similarity in the way that the art is made?
Not especially, but I'm also a little further away from the art, so there's like a line thing going on.
>> So, it's actually the lines in the art that are the notable thing. If you look at the door art, you notice I saw a lot of line stuff going with that. I can't see that detail here, though.
>> But it is present through the entire uh piece of art.
>> That's more than likely intentional, though.
>> Oh, I know it is. Like Gustav's Dor's art of the Divine Comedy is so famous, Nicknack. It's so incredibly famous. So, I love like the actual not like this is a direct tribute to it. I think it looks fantastic. Do you know what I mean? Like genuinely fantastic. Like I'm very happy with that. Um cuz it I mean, you know, it's just another part of like the story of the Divine Comedy.
I don't necessarily love this translation though. I don't think Henry Longfellows is my favorite. Um, I actually have also, so I have all three of the original books, the the Anferna, Pagatorio, Paradizo. Um, I have them in the original old Italian as well with a different translator. And then I have another copy of them with another different translator. So, I think I have like three or four different translations of Dante's um, Divine Comedy. Let that be said, anyone in the anime community that ever says that translation uh quality or translations being not the way you think they should be is a new phenomenon. Woke people, it's not.
>> It's not. There's a reason why like academic articles will cite specific translations and why people will sometimes use that to argue academic points with one another.
>> You look at the sprites.
>> Oh, I didn't even look at the sprites. I was just enjoying the art.
>> It's been a minute. You're fine.
>> Like, he looks so good.
Okay.
I mean, I'm loving the black and red color scheme, too, you know.
>> Mhm.
>> I think it's very nice. There's there's some illusions to like clerical wear, you know, as well as just like some sort of, you know, just the way that the character is drawn. I love it.
>> So, Dante here, >> well, well, now here's where you tell me that I won't be getting Dante for a very long time. white day of next year.
>> Well, guys, guess we have a white day target. [laughter] >> I'm getting me a Dante.
>> So, Dante here plays aloof, pretending to be stupider than he actually is, using this facade of a personality to often buy himself more time to actually plan out a strategy when things go wrong.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, contextually, he appears in Cala in order to act as their guide through a very divine comedy-like situation. Uh during this time he tries to emulate Virgil but also opened up a law firm in hell to defend the accused alongside James Morardi acting as Calao's defense which like lowkey is so funny to me because as someone who's read Virgil Zened right in multiple translations and translated it and as someone who's read Dante's Divine Comedy in multiple translations, right? Like I I love how much Dante was like such a fanboy of Virgil, right? I think that's totally warranted. I actually love Virgil. I've heard like I I know I've experienced a lot of other scholars of like Latin who don't actually like Virgil as much as like people like Avid and stuff, but I actually prefer Virgil. Like he writes more poetically and it makes him harder to translate. But I think it's more interesting and rewarding in in the reading process like reading Virgil. But also I like there are hot take here that's probably not that hot a take depending on what academic circles you're in. Virgil also [ __ ] talked people he didn't like in the in an [laughter] also glazed people that he felt like he needed to glaze. Right? Because if you keep in mind the divine comedy is essentially Dante just being like [ __ ] the world you all are going to hell and I'm going to write about it. Whereas Virgil Zenid is a commissioned propaganda work right. Mhm.
>> Um, which is a very different type of work, but yet he still somehow manages to shove in all the people that he dislikes in some ways, you know, like you you just see someone like and instead of being like in the halls of the bless, they're in the they're in the fields of Asphodel, you know, like, you know, and then you keep in mind that the the Iliad, well, the Odyssey and the Anid both have visits to the underworld where you visit Asphodel and and the the islands of the blessed and such. So like the blueprint was there [laughter] inspired.
>> So yeah, got we have some relationships here.
>> I see we have a lot of relationships.
Okay. All right. Let's see.
Ooh. Leonardo da Vinci, the treasure of Florence, the legendary genius of my neighborhood. Your predecessor couldn't be prouder. Would you be interested in working with me? See, that's a match made in hell. I like put the two of them together in a room. Oh my god. You know what I mean?
>> I feel like especially with Fates Da Vinci, there'd be a lot of [ __ ] talking going on.
>> But it would be so good.
Should actually be able to see me in the camera. By the way, you are on camera, just so you know. I forgot I haven't adjusted the angle back from uh tea time. [laughter] I've been on camera for updates, too, at this point.
>> Yeah, that's true. Anderson, the writer.
Brilliant. If you're a child, you don't have to worry about deadlines. What a revolutionary idea, huh? What? That doesn't stop him from having deadlines.
Yikes. How awful.
[snorts] William Shakespeare, you say?
That's an extrovert. An extrovert? Too much of an extrovert to have written McBth or Romeo and Juliet. I was imagining a glooier master of the pen.
Huh. He gets more overcast the closer he gets to the deadline. Much better. Not really.
Van Go, a foreigner servant associated with outer gods, huh? I could make her draw a brand new and original style of hell. Are you fine with 20 pages on a weekly release? No. You think it would destroy your mental health? Well, I can't guarantee it wouldn't.
Man, Dante is a manipulative force behind the web tune industry. Like the amount of times that you and I have like reached the end of like a season on something only to see an author's note from the artist just being like due to health concerns I need a break.
>> That's what that feels like. Hokusai.
Oh, her class is foreigner. Her East Asian birth is way more relevant than that. Her unique perspective can paint a new style of Beatatrice. Uh they're known for disregarding the writer's requests. Get ready to hear a mind if I replace this mentor character for Tamitomo or worse.
I do mind. Traversing hell alongside a robot is not very on second thought.
This might be crazy enough to work.
Maybe I hate the divine comedy nar narrated by Minamoto.
>> [laughter] >> The way the way that I would pay good money for Nasu to write even a single KTO extracted that just one KTO just one. Can you imagine?
Who would have thought that Medatron John would be here too? I'm sorry for the trouble I caused back then, but I got in a lot of trouble, too. So, maybe we're even. Ah, yes. I'm very sorry about the singularity. No, really. I'm really sorry. Yes.
Doesn't sound sorry to think Lilith would be here. Here, everyone gets along. Uh, I can't get along with anybody, Sunshine. Okay. Well, yeah, I won't deny that. But wasn't there that one person who's your natural enemy?
[snorts] Morardi isn't here, huh, I see. That's a shame. We never had much in common, and frankly wasn't my type of person. Yet, somehow, we strangely got along in that singularity. Well, I'm sure we'll meet someday. If not, I won't forget those memories for a good while.
I mean, I I do feel like imagine a law imagine a law firm run by Morardi, Dante, and Da Vinci.
>> Sounds like a mess.
>> I would pay good money to watch that sitcom. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'd pay such good money to watch that.
Okay, >> so abilities wise, Dante um uh summons creatures from the Divine Comedy uh ver the Divine Comedy's version of hell to attack while also using the uh Pachhati Spata, a broken tipped sword from the second chapter of Purgatorio.
>> Mhm.
Makes sense. Uh let's see. Independent action territory creation. That makes sense.
Wandering through three worlds. Yeah.
Inferno, Paradisio, Purgatorio, Stars in a 100 KTOS. Yeah, the the three Kicha.
Oh, so good.
And then Crests of Seven Sins.
Fun.
All right. So, we've got two noble fantasms. Well, one is the Pachati Spada.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> That first one I'm gonna have you read.
Uh, late on sparanza voyant krate.
>> That Latin class did you a lot of good.
[snorts] >> Actually, no. I took some Italian for a while, like on my own. But because Latin would not be pronounced like that at all. Actually, the irony is um Latin and modern day Italian are actually so incredibly far from one another in in pronunciation in some ways. Um, >> which is funny because isn't Latin often considered to be very close to uh um >> well I mean Latin shares a lot of similarities with all of the romance languages. I think a lot of people just assume that because Italian is you know spoken in Italy where Latin was like predominant for so long. It's it's more accurate and close and like in some ways it it kind of is but like in other ways it's very much not. Like you have to remember that that Latin it has been a long time since Italian and Spanish and French were Latin, you know, like they diverged a long long time ago and those languages have changed significantly both with interaction with like each other and other languages, you know, like even English becoming so popular has changed the way that other languages are spoken even like in the modern day.
Um cuz there have been a lot of uh linguistic sort of like just naturally occurring movements toward like simplifying genders and stuff like that in in languages that have like strong genders because English doesn't really have strong genders. Um and it's not necessarily a good thing like English is homogenizing the world linguistically and that's not a good thing but it is what's happening. Um which is why so many countries fight so hard to like promote their their actual language, right? That's why Korea and Japan both have institutes whose entire job is to create natural Japanese words instead of using English loan words, but they're basically fighting a losing battle because the common person would rather just use an English loan word.
>> Well, it's like um Japanese. I can immediately pull up an example off the top of my head. Gunyu is milk in Japanese. Nobody in Japan says that.
They all say miru.
>> Exactly. So like then that's kind of happening everywhere, you know, because of how prevalent English is, especially online.
>> It's not a good thing, but yeah. So on Sparza Voyate.
>> So Dante opens up the gates of hell and releases hell beasts to attack his opponents.
>> While he is while this is open, he endures crippling despair that if he lets overtake him will cause him to lose control of the gate and the beasts inside.
>> I mean, valid.
I too feel crippling doubt every time I open up the gates of hell. [laughter] >> And then we have one more noble fantasm, the Pachi spot.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> This is the previously mentioned broken tipped sword. Dante can use it to carve sins on the target that will cause them to need to overcome great peril relating to them. Should they survive, they are actually stronger. I believe the events of the story lock him out of using this in FGO, though.
>> Oh, that's unfortunate.
Maybe in the future we'll get the ability. Oh, I do want to see if if their artist has done anything else. I did forget to do that. No, nothing else.
However, I would like to make the point that I just kind of like in my head realized. Um, like low key, sorry, I flipped down to make sure that some of the extra art was included because sometimes it's not. Um, it's it's a little it's a little Rasputinesque, right?
like color scheme wise and like the shaping and the >> It's very possible they're both just taking very similar elements though cuz Rasputin's also going for that like fake fake priest look.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That that was my thought, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz you mentioned earlier it it almost looked like he was wearing uh >> there are some elements of like like traditional priestly garbs that are kind of like in there mixed in.
>> And when you have a black coated like a black outfit coated priest.
>> Yeah. And black and red is such a striking color combo. Like I've commented before that there are a lot of servants who actually fit into that like really striking like black and red sort of like color scheme. Um like you could make a very visually like unified team in Fate using like characters that have exclusively black and red designs.
Oh yeah.
And turn that up a little.
[snorts] >> Oh the bees.
The bees.
The fires of hell.
>> Oh yeah.
Yeah, that would do it.
The divine comedy is so funny to me because it's like it's so religious, right? Like so overtly Christian, but at the same time it feels very not Christian at times. cuz they pull a lot of like other religion and pagan elves like Yeah, this is this is hell.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Which is so funny.
>> Like what?
>> Like what? Like you'll see like some depictions of hell like they have Medusa like what the [ __ ] is a Medusa doing in the Christian hell? Because Christians have a tendency when depicting hell to include like one of the things that they'll do sometimes for emphasis, especially like historically, is to include people who were not Christian but were pagan.
>> Um, and then emphasize where in hell they are depending on how they acted.
>> Like you're going to hell if you're a pagan.
>> Exactly. same thing like in in some ways like the Inferno is kind of really brutal because not only does does Dante locate a lot of like people in hell who wouldn't have believed in hell, right?
But like just because they because they were pagan, they go to hell like Greek heroes and such. Um but then consider the uh before you get to like when when he's first entering right the the the kind of like afterlife world, right?
Remember, unbaptized babies also exist in hell technically, you know, which is really brutal as a religion, you know.
>> Mhm.
>> That's right. Use those centaurs as minions.
use the flying gargoyles that are probably meant to represent the furies.
>> I mean, they're definitely meant to represent the Furies, but you know what I mean.
>> Yeah.
>> He looks like such a tortured soul, too.
Like in his first two arts, like it's very tortured soul kind of likeesque.
>> Yeah. Yeah, but he looks like he's about to go off about like the like he looks like he's about to explain how tortured he is, but like in reality beneath the surface, he's not actually that tortured. He thinks it looks cool as an aesthetic.
>> Exactly.
>> And then in the third ascension, you kind of you drop that sort of like tortured soul aesthetic.
>> Yeah.
Oh, he has a Fairmon vent in his second art.
>> Did you notice that?
[laughter] >> I'm not wrong.
It is second. Hold on. We're going to We're going to double check this.
There's a pheromone vent.
I'm sorry. Ever since Adysius, that's all I can call the little [ __ ] like chest hole. You know what I mean?
Fate said it, not me.
Oh, Kon.
>> Oh, the divine punishment of heaven. We love that.
I will say these are some of the coolest [ __ ] animations. You know what I mean?
>> Like they really went all out for this and I'm so here for it.
>> Now I even more want Virgil as a character.
>> You know what I mean?
Like I so desperately want Virgil to be a character now. Even more so than I did before.
You know, I was going to make a joke about how every time you say Virgil, I auto correct to the uh um to Devil May Cry's Virgil, but then I realized that Devil May Cry, the main characters are Dante and Virgil.
>> Yes. And that's deliberate.
>> It is a reference, too.
>> I know.
>> Yeah.
Ironically, I actually know a fair bit about Devil May Cry lore because I got a friend who's really into it and so I've had to hear a lot about it.
I don't know if this is deliberate, but I I kind of like that all of his summons and everything appears in like black and white grayscale because it reminds me of Dor's art.
>> I mean, I assume it's deliberate. The design and the base art's already taking inspiration from that. That's what I'm assuming because honestly they also look very similar to some of the things that are summoned inside of like the the art that Dor did. And Dor's art provides such a wide sort of like pallet to use.
You know what I mean?
>> Like he did illustrations of so many things like hundreds of illustrations for this story.
>> Oh, that's stunning. That's not fair how good that looks.
It's sad that he couldn't summon Beatatrice. Beatatrix. It's a little funny that he got Medatron Jean when he tried to summon Beatatrix >> because he kind of viewed Beatatrix as like this like divine woman.
I I almost think that they they kind of uh they they missed a potential like really fun reference where they could have named his uh noble fantasm um the the lat the abandon all hope ye who enter here, you Maybe >> and it would have been cuz that that's like one of the most famous lines in the entire Inferno, right? Like go like when he comes to the gates of hell and the inscription above the the tunnel down to hell is abandon all hope ye who enter here.
Okay. Gallery. Oh, we have an April I guess cuz he's a year old now.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Oh.
Yeah, that looks so cool.
We have a lot of extra art.
>> Only art, only servant this artist has done. So, >> yeah, they're keeping to like the lines, too. So, it's definitely, you know, like definitely the the inspiration here.
God, man. The artist is really, really going for it. You know what I mean? Oh, I'd ask if you can read that, but that's actually a lot of text.
>> That is a lot of text.
>> Yeah.
Oh, 10th. Annie, what does he have in his hands?
I I can't see what the magazine says. I wish I could.
I think it starts with a C. Anyways, this is a little vacation. Dante, >> wait. Go back. Go back. The last uh the last line of that text farthest to the light literally says Inferno.
>> I know. I just kind of wondering what that says, but I I can't tell. It's too >> Summer Inferno. So, it's a summer magazine. It's like a a travel magazine, probably.
>> Oh, fun.
>> Summer Inferno.
>> Look his drinks. Now, I want boba.
Oh. Oh, that [ __ ] red bone. Matt is the worst Matt in the game.
>> If only I could agree.
>> Well, you're further. Oh, the goodest boy, by the way.
Artist knows what's up.
That is in fact the goodest boy. It's Cerus.
>> Mhm.
>> It's little Serby.
>> He was animated recently. Oh. Oh, >> well the the the the Greek rendition of him was >> Look at the tail wagging.
[laughter] >> Bubba >> also white coated.
>> He's wearing a white outfit instead of the black.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. But Bubba.
Oh my good. [laughter] Wait, look. It's young Mori Arti.
Damn. I really wish I could read all of this because I bet there's some really funny like bits. Yeah, I'm sure there's some really funny notes.
Oh, [laughter] Serby, they're so cute together.
Look at them.
Look, no makeup, Mori Arti. It's a costume.
This will never not be ridiculous to me.
>> Will never not be ridiculous.
Well, that's Bartholomew Roberts.
Is that Perl in the middle? I >> think so.
>> I think. Yeah, it kind of looks like Perl.
It's like a fullscale version of that art we saw a chibi version of earlier.
That's so cute.
That's Oberin in the back.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah.
I wonder what he's reading.
Hey.
Oh, wait. Uh oh, there's so many people here.
>> You don't know all of them.
>> I kind of want to know who's hanging out the side of the helicopter, though.
>> I actually [clears throat] can't tell.
>> I think it might be Sigur or Percol.
possibly. We'll see that the CE will have a list of names so when we get to it because I'm sure this is a CE.
Oh, that looks so good.
Hey, wait. Nita Chris Nero Claudius Bride. Yep.
>> Jean. Um BB Dante Enkidu is that fairy girl Ilia. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Tata Summer Woo and Riom and his wife.
>> Yep.
>> Nice.
>> Or you.
>> What? Oh, >> his wife's name is Oru.
>> I thought you were saying I was wrong and I was like, "Oh no, what did I get wrong?"
>> Everything.
>> Rude.
Road.
>> What do you get right would be the easier question to answer.
>> Rude.
You're so rude to me. Okay.
Sword of punishment. All right. Yeah, there it is. Although, it's surprising when you first open it up. It's not really all that impressive. That's just the nature of his sword. Its cutting edge isn't very sharp, and it doesn't have a tip, so you can't stab with it either. Even so, I wonder why it's so heavy. This is the weight of sin, not rather. It must be the weight of the iron. It hurts my shoulders. Originally, it was a sword wielded by an angel meant to be used to eliminate one's sins.
Since no one is without sin, it's possible that this sword might be effective against all sorts of foes.
What about mechanical enemies? They didn't exist in my time. What should I do?
>> Okay.
Oh, look. Oh, because it's the celebratory spirit attire. So, we've seen this one in front of like we've seen a bunch of other servants in these.
Yeah, it looks nice. I don't know if I necessarily like him in white coated clothing. I I kind of like the black.
The white kind of feels like it washes him out a little bit. It's personal preference.
Uh oh, is it Medatron John?
>> Yeah, we'll come back.
>> Yeah, >> he's in the background, I think.
>> Yeah, I see him there. Okay.
Hey, Summer.
Wait.
Oh, it says guide book cuz we Yeah, it just says guide book.
Oh, you know.
Okay.
[sighs] There we go. All right. Come on. You asked me to guide you. Master, you have good taste. I shall show you a perfect escort. Now then, let us enter the amusement park.
I forgot my wallet. Swiftly closing the guide book in his hand, the poet wiped his brow as if nothing had happened.
Also, he borrowed some money.
That's so valid.
Not the little notebook with the gates of hell on it >> and the blood red pen.
Oh, it's voiced. Oh, cuz it's over the same sky.
[laughter] Dude, come on.
What? I Okay. Didn't like me.
Even when the sun sets, the business that never gets boring. Did that fall flat a bit? Yeah, it kind of did. I don't know if that made sense as a translation, but I don't know how much I trust the opera translator. Okay, here's the satellite station.
Oh, that's who's up on the helicopter.
Okay. I just wanted to see who it was.
It's Indra.
>> Oh, >> yeah. I The thing is I recognized the hair color and there were only so many servants it could be.
>> They came out at around the same time, I guess, so it makes sense to me.
>> But we'll come back to this with a different servant later. So, Oh, hello.
How you doing?
Living room's free right now. And then we're going to be done with this video in a couple of minutes. And then we've got one other, but it's pretty short.
>> Don't want to interrupt.
>> No, you're good.
>> Wanted to say, "Hey, I'm around."
>> Valid >> also. Nice.
>> I know. Activity space.
>> All right. See you.
>> See you.
Oh, it's his uh laurel.
>> Yep.
>> Nice.
Okay. Laurel wreath of triumph and glory. A return gift. So, this is Valentine's gift. So, this is a laurel wreath. Piece of cake if you use Magecraft. They say that their origin is that when the sun god Apollo chased a nymph, she turned into a laurel tree.
And because of that, he made a wreath with the laurel and wore it to grieve her. But now, it' give me a bad image in Calalda, so pretend you didn't hear that. Anyway, this is a miraculous item that rules over victory and glory. Well, maybe that's because I haven't been trained like a caster, but it won't give you any blessings or magical endowments.
But even so, if you put it on, I guarantee you that it'll I guarantee you that it'll make you hold your head high with dignity. Uh, and also that reservation slip. I made it while I was rambling about copyright and shoulder massage coupons. Uh, I suppose you could book something for me if you use it.
Think carefully about what you want to use it for. I don't know, Dante. I think I'd like to hear your your uh opinions on on copyright given given that you are the fanfiction writer who Well, I mean, yeah, kind of.
I think I don't know someone here.
>> Yeah, you don't know that person. Okay.
All right. So, then we don't see that right now. Okay.
>> So, yeah, that was Dante Aligiri. I love Dante Aligiri. He's fantastic. You knew I was going to love him, though. Like, you knew, you know what I mean?
>> I I remember uh cuz I think when when he first came out, you tried to keep it from you tried to keep it from spoiling me for a while that like he had been added as a servant, but I think someone in stream let on that like Dante Aligiri was the was the new servant that had come out.
>> Mostly a joke.
>> Yeah. Cuz I remember people trying to tell me what class he was, and I was like, "Don't tell me. Don't tell me.
Yeah, cuz like he would have gotten added to the list so I would have known that he was coming out, but you know, more fun if I don't know anything about him. Um Oh, yeah. Because I was I was just going to ask have I seen him on rate, but I obviously haven't because he hasn't come to NA at all yet.
>> Yeah. So, next year, next year I'm gonna get me a get me a pretender.
[laughter]
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