Jay Dyer WRECKS Ecumenism

Added: 2026-05-06

[00:00:00]And it's not just heaping praise, they're leaders in residence together.

[00:00:11]And again, the model of what Gavin and his dad promote is specifically an ecumenist model that we're all generic Christians like the uh Mere Christianity idea like C.S. Lewis, that kind of an idea, right? So that So he has to He's absolutely 100% monetarily and family committed to the heresy of ecumenism. That's the main issue here. Now, what did Father Moses point out a while back that I think was a very perceptive comment about ecumenism and he said, "Ecumenism is not just an intellectual mistake.

[00:00:47]It's actually a mistake that begins morally and oftentimes there's a butt buddy thing going on in the background. Now, I'm not saying every ecumenist is Skittles, but in many cases, what happens is the moral problems occur in a person's life and then they gradually begin to adopt positions that end up justifying or attempting to justify the moral action. Right? And that's what all of this is.

[00:01:16]I'm speaking of evangelicalism in general here. Massive portions of evangelicalism have been heavily pressured to move in the direction of accepting Skittles because evangelicalism itself is a theologically compromised false position.

[00:01:33]It's not an authentic gospel. It's not an authentic church. They're all business church all the way back to the Reformation. What? How could you say that about Luther? Well, remember we had a guy call the other day and he says Virtue's working is is hilarious. That's a great comment there at the Protestia website.

[00:01:52]Uh Yeah, I'll give you guys an explanation.

[00:01:55]Ecumenism is a movement that is geared towards rediscovering the unity of the church. So it's presupposition is that there's not one historical church in history. The church became divided and so we must find and seek and discover the church at the end of some praxeological dialectical journey.

[00:02:15]Literally, that's it. Now, ecumenical councils, that's not the same thing, right? That's when the church gets together in councils in the Middle Ages, the first thousand years of the church, and they would have debates about what was true and what was false, right? The ecumenical movement is a heavily funded State Department-aided project that the Rockefellers, for example, put a bunch of money into.

[00:02:37]And we'll talk a little bit about yoga cuz somebody put up a good Orthodox video about yoga and it goes It actually was very accurate cuz it went into the history of Swami Vivekananda attending the World Parliament of Religions in the late 1800s, which is where the ecumenist movement got its birth, the modern ecumenist heterodox movement. So we're not talking about um can my Catholic friend come to church with me at the Orthodox church. We're not talking about uh you know, can uh you know, I go to a seminar at a Baptist church where they're teaching creation stuff. You can get blessings for those kinds of things, sure.

[00:03:12]What we're talking about is can we have joint theological commissions, statements, and meetings that imply that there is no historical church that's the one true church or that the church is in process of self-discovery.

[00:03:26]Those are all politically, geopolitically utilized tools that are very easy to demonstrate. We've done I don't know how many podcasts on that topic over the last 10 years. You can find them in the archives.

[00:03:38]Um So we're not going to talk about all that tonight, but that's what ecumenism is. And so for Orthodoxy, ecumenism ends up being something that violates the canons and what limits us as Orthodox Christians. For example, I can't go to a Baptist service and partake of their Welches grape juice and cracker communion, right? That would be a violation of the ancient canons that say that Orthodox cannot participate in the worship of schismatics and heretics, okay? So that's an example.

[00:04:10]Uh yes, the Baha'i faith does relate to this because the Baha'i faith is a organization that was set up under the influence of people like Blavatsky and theosophists and perennialists that kind of created a syncretized synthesis religion. So it would be a version of an hyper-ecumenist type of religion, but typically ecumenism is uh what we mean in the Christian domain of participating in not just dialogue and debate, but in fact they they issue the idea of debate.

[00:04:40]And they talk about dialoguing to consensus. So it's more of a Hegelian process philosophy and a lot of the ecumenists have actually underlying their thought Hegelian process philosophy. And notice, none of this is in the first thousand years of the church. No church fathers teach anything like this. And as I said the other day, uh it's interesting that whether Scam Shamu and his version of ecumenist apostolic Christianity, which he made up for his grift, or whether it's uh Gavin Ortlund and his dad's made-up version of Mere Christianity C.S. Lewis style, none of these people will ever ever tell you, and this is why everybody becomes Orthodox when they get into this, that the first thousand years of Christianity, nobody teaches that. That is a made-up doctrine that you could really probably trace to Anglican branch theory. So branch theory came about because the Anglicans needed a way to say, "Well, how could we have an idea of apostolic suc- succession or doctrinal succession and a continuity with the ancient church, but not fall into the idea of a thousand different radical Reformation schisms?"

[00:05:43]Well, branch theory. Jesus has one church, but that church is split into a bunch of branches, Roman Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, and then perhaps Lutheran, Presbyterian. There's no uh there's no clear cutoff. So you see that it doesn't get you anywhere. It's just another version of heterodox ecclesiology as if there's many Jesuses.

[00:06:05]Remember, all the arguments about ecclesiology reflect back on Christology because ecclesiology, as the body of Christ, is the outworking of Christology. So if you think there's a bunch of different churches that are all in schism, then there's not one visible body. If there's not one visible body, then Jesus is not one visible body.

[00:06:29]So you see the logical And And the reason that none of these people get this right >> [sighs] >> is because they're not in the church.

[00:06:37]It's that simple.

[00:06:40]They're in a made-up, man-made church.

[00:06:43]Man-made churches, even if they have 20% true doctrine, 50% true doctrine, 80% true doctrine, they're not the church.

[00:06:52]Because it only takes one heresy to remove you from the church.

[00:06:57]Right? Imagine if you were at the Council of Nicaea and or at Constantinople I, you're reading the Creed and you said, "Oh, I believe all these things. I don't believe in one holy Catholic apostolic church."

[00:07:07]And that's what all of these people deny.

[00:07:09]And I know cuz I used to be a Calvinist and when I was a Calvinist, when we would read that in the Creed, I would say, "Oh, that doesn't mean a public visible church and it's not talking about one baptism, baptismal regeneration, it's spiritual." So I would reword and reinterpret the Creed.

[00:07:24]Guess what? Gavin Ortlund and all the heretics do the exact same thing. Their whole system is premised on getting you to not become Orthodox, saying the Orthodox are evil, uh dangerous extremist. That's what he's implying here. Everybody knows he's talking about us.

[00:07:40]And he of course he's pretending like That's why they do this a passive-aggressive thing. They don't even have the balls to say who they're talking about. They're so cowardly. They won't actually just say me.

[00:07:50]And again, "Why are you so mean to them?

[00:07:52]You're just being out of nowhere." No, no. This is over what, 2 years now? Year and a half? Of politely not just publicly, but behind the scenes talking to multiple people about having a dialogue or debate with Wes Huff, for example.

[00:08:10]Thank you.

[00:08:11]And part of the reason for this is because many of the peoples in these people's orbits have become Orthodox. So they want to facilitate discussion and dialogue. I'm talking about a lot of their people.

[00:08:22]If a lot of their best friends and co-workers are becoming Orthodox, in the case of Wes Huff, Ruslan, many of them.

[00:08:32]I don't know much about Gavin Ortlund's orbit. I'm not on Grinder, so I couldn't say. But many of the people's orbit that are around these people have become Orthodox.

[00:08:40]>> [snorts] >> And then people try to facilitate friendly discussions or debates and they don't want to do any of it.

[00:08:48]Nobody thinks it's odd that Wes Huff immediately debates the most ridiculous idiot scammer person on the internet, Billy Corson, who says the most ridiculous stuff, knocks down the lowest-hanging fruit imaginable, and then will not ever discuss or debate any of his other positions with anyone else. In fact, he goes on Andrew Schulz, the comedian, and Andrew Schulz asks him one very simple question, "What about the Orthodox? They got a pretty ancient historic church." And he's like freaking out.

[00:09:21]Remember that?

[00:09:24]Now, Wes Huff is always talking about it like he lifts and he's benching and he's like this buff dude.

[00:09:31]A lot of buff dudes, by the way, uh are not actually tough dudes. They're mentally soft.

[00:09:37]You could be buff as hell and be in at the damn gay bar.

[00:09:42]A lot of that buff weightlifting stuff is gay, too, by the way, if you didn't know that. I I'm not saying Wes Huff is gay. I know these guys are married. By the way, you could be married and be gay, too, by the way. But the actions are faking gay. They don't actually want to stand up for the things that they're so morally superior about.

[00:10:01]If you're so superior morally, number one, you would call your dad out, Gavin Ortlund, for co-ministering with a dude that's pro-gay in terms of his ministries.

[00:10:14]Where where is that call out?

[00:10:16]And why was your Did you call your dad out for supporting pro-trans, pro-abortion politicians like Kamala?

[00:10:28]Did you do any of that? No, but the ortho bros, they got to be called out cuz they're aggressive online and some of them say four-letter words.

[00:10:38]So, notice that evangelicalism, as I argued on the fourth hour of Alex Jones, is not just a performative piety signaling thing. It's actually almost always some voice of the State Department or an NGO.

[00:10:54]They are beholden to their donors, just like a corporation is beholden to the shareholders.

[00:11:01]And their money will dry up if they don't keep pushing the government approved or the Democratic Party approved or whatever element or outfit that they're connected to.

[00:11:17]And by the way, people were saying that uh Ruslan I had no idea this was this was this crazy. People were saying that Ruslan was laughing when the strikes on Gaza happened.

[00:11:28]Which is just crazy to me. Like Remember when he said the other day to me, he says, I don't I don't care about what's happening in in geopolitics. I don't care about none of that. Wars, I don't care about Epstein and none of that.

[00:11:39]I don't care about Christian Zionism.

[00:11:41]You don't care about the biggest heresy in America?

[00:11:44]So, that tells you guys everything.

[00:11:49]Now, I'm not confirmed that cuz I've not seen the tweet or the video, but people are saying that when the strikes were happening, Ruslan was laughing about it.

[00:11:56]Like like that's a laughing matter? I mean, these people are actually sick.

[00:12:01]Now, if somebody said, "Why'd you go on Ruslan?" First of all, I didn't know any of this stuff. I never I don't do deep dives into everybody every podcast that's background I go on. If I did that, I probably couldn't go on anybody's podcast, right? But in this case, and by the way, I didn't just go on there because Ruslan wanted to talk to me about my book. We had a two-hour debate.

[00:12:23]And I didn't know he was going to do that, but I don't have a problem doing that.

[00:12:29]By the way, notice he had no problem springing a two-hour debate on me, but now they're all up in arms about, "How dare you challenge people publicly to a debate? How dare you?

[00:12:40]How dare you?"

[00:12:42]Again, this is like after almost two years of beefing with and and having to deal with all the passive-aggressive bullcrap from these people, man. It is so easy to set up a debate with me. It can be on Crucible. It could be on Modern-Day Debate. It could be on all kinds of platforms.

[00:13:00]It doesn't have to be on Ruslan's platform. He just made up nonsense that I'm mad cuz I couldn't go on his platform.

[00:13:07]That's not even true. He said in the past he would have me back on.

[00:13:10]There was no I'm not invited on the platform.

[00:13:13]He made that up.

[00:13:15]Just totally made up. That's why I said, "We can just debate on anybody's channel a small channel. Pick a small channel, I'll debate you." Modern-Day Debate is smaller than Ruslan's channel. Let's debate there.

[00:13:25]And then he says, "Oh, you must publicly repent before the debate." Now, again, everybody's doing the same move. It's the same bullcrap that Lofton did in 2018.

[00:13:33]"I'll debate you maybe in writing." He said in writing. Give me a break, dude.

[00:13:38]"Uh but you got to publicly repent to my satisfaction."

[00:13:43]I got to confess my sins to you? I thought you didn't believe in priests.

[00:13:47]You You said all believe priesthood of all believers. Oh, but you're now the high priest that I got to confess my sins to. This man None of it makes any sense, dude. There's absolutely no consistency.

[00:13:54]And you know, the only exchange that I even saw was like Gavin Ortlund and Father Stephen DeYoung, right? And then Gavin Ortlund says, "I will never debate again unless they have credentials.

[00:14:05]Unless they have credentials." Well, the catechumen that you debated didn't have credentials. "It wasn't a debate. We changed the title of it." Well, how come Trent Horn had in the title of his video debate?

[00:14:15]Oh, did you tell Trent Horn to change the title of it that it wasn't a debate?

[00:14:19]You bunch of liars.

[00:14:20]So, you got called out. That's the only reason you changed it cuz of pushback and you blamed it on your staff.

[00:14:27]And the reason we the way we know that that's probably not true is that Trent Horn put the title of the three-way discussion as debate.

[00:14:35]Did Ruslan say to uh Trent, "Change that title with the" And by the way, who's so freaking gay that they're scared of just using the word debate?

[00:14:43]This is so ridiculous.

[00:14:45]What's the point? These people are on the run.