Shorts et crop-tops interdits au collège ou au lycée, consigne de bon sens ou réac ?

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[00:01:01]Hello to you both. Hello Felix.

[00:01:03]Hello Gill. How are you?

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[00:02:24]Ah yes, that's it, that's bad behavior. It's on TikTok, it's my behavior, it's social media and well I sent you some images, I know that you find it strange frankly, I find it strange and it will make you react, I'm sure of it. Thank you, Gill. Right away, it's Félix Mathieu with this question. What's the problem? Well, the problem today is clothing. You remember that debate that was talked about a lot a few months ago and that law by Gabriel Atal about instructions and clothing in middle and high schools. So hello Félix, hello. Today, these dress codes are a topic of discussion. For what? Good because a high school in Perpignan sent a message to ban revealing clothing as summer approaches. Yes yes. Put away the crop tops, the donuts, the excessively short shorts and even the flip-flops. This is the instruction received on Pronot a few weeks ago by the parents of students at the Arago high school in Perpignan. The school administration wrote that the outfits were not conducive to concentration or academic engagement.

[00:03:28]So, some students are denouncing retrograde instructions which, moreover, would target girls more than boys.

[00:03:36]Moreover, a feminist association even unfurled a banner in front of this high school in Arago, Perpignan, with the words " protect our girls, educate your sons". He implied that the problem would not so much be the girls' attire as possibly the attitude of some boys. Well, the feminist slogan didn't stay in front of the high school for very long. The banner has been taken down.

[00:03:54]This anecdote echoes the debate on school uniforms that has been revived in recent years.

[00:04:00]Yes. With Gabriel Latal indeed who had launched an experiment from 2023. Since 2023, we have roughly a hundred establishments in France that are experimenting with the single uniform of schools, colleges and some high schools as well. It seems that this was the wish of Emmanuel and Brigitte Macron. So 3 years later, the experiment is still ongoing, but statistical services from the Ministry of National Education have delivered a mixed assessment. We have school principals who are quite satisfied. They believe that this may have strengthened the students' sense of belonging to the school. But at the same time, the study qualifies this by pointing out that the experiment was set up by rather willing school principals who volunteered and were therefore rather predisposed to this measure. From the student's perspective, the study is more mixed. So she is talking about limited effects on learning and the school climate. It is barely perceptible, according to this progress report on social relations, particularly between students. You know, that's the argument for smoothing over social differences a bit. The study so far says that there is no major, highly visible effect, at least not on phenomena of exclusion or harassment.

[00:05:05]But so, in these establishments, we will continue the experiments.

[00:05:08]For the moment, it's not over. It's a progress report, but in about a hundred establishments. So it's, it's, it's a lot of schools and colleges. And there are four high schools, I think. For the moment, it's still ongoing. This is just a progress report.

[00:05:20]But we can also extend this to work, right? I'm not sure if we can come to work in a crop top or in certain outfits either, you know. I think there is a dress code for shorts in the summer.

[00:05:33][laughs] No, but there is a dress code and that's normal, it depends on the regulations that may exist in companies. Well, I think the debate is the same thing. That's also a regulation, it's different for a school because there is the notion of education after all. And then it's true, well, I at least, I am quite sensitive to the argument of social difference and I find that the uniform, it has this uniform or the uniform in the style of 2026 because it is not necessarily about reproducing what was there 100 years ago, but I find that it has, well, it allows us to put all children on the same level of equality and perhaps avoid jealousy or remarks. I tell myself that at least he had, he has, that virtue. I don't know whether we should speak in the past tense or not, and we'll see what your guest Félix thinks about it. Rémy Landri, [grunt] he is president of FCPE 66, the Federation of Parents' Councils. You are also regional co-president for Occitanie.

[00:06:33]Hello Rémy Landri, welcome.

[00:06:37]We can't hear you. Good morning. If we hear you but with a very, very slight delay, that's okay.

[00:06:43]Tell me, are you for or against this provision, this provision that was put in place by Gabriel Atal? We can see that there is, we can see that there is ultimately a rather mixed picture today. We ca n't say it was good or bad.

[00:06:59]So naturally the outcome is mixed because in fact at the start there was no consensus, that is to say at the level of national education, there was no discussion with the parents of students, with the associations of parents of students, with the teachers and the teams on the ground. And it's true that this uniform outfit took everyone a little by surprise because we have the impression, after all, that it's 2025, talking about uniforms today. The issue at school is a bit different since there are many problems at the school level and talking about a uniform, there are other issues for the school today and the uniform, we think as a federation that we are missing the point, just this social difference and the differences are more important because students are built at school today.

[00:07:54]Yeah. Well, unfortunately the line isn't very good. I don't know if we have the time, and we certainly have the time to recover, perhaps differently, to improve the listening experience for our listeners because it's a bit of a shame. I understand that this is indeed not the priority issue, Félix Mathieu. It's true that right now the minister, the minister, the minister is putting a lot of emphasis on the fundamentals. It's true, the minister is right. He insists on spelling and the neatness of the copies. He had a message behind it. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's true that this was more of a pet project of Gabriel Atal when he was Minister of Education and then Prime Minister. It is also said that Brigitte Macron did indeed have a significant influence on this issue of uniforms. You know that on educational issues, given her former profession, she has a lot of influence in high schools. We know that Jean-Michel Blanquer, for example, it was her on the uniform, it seemed. The presidential couple were rather in favour of this measure which had been championed by Gabriel Atal. And once again, the good news is we've moved on to something else, but the experimentation is still ongoing.

[00:08:59]This is still true in several establishments, in fact. There is no " Yeah," there is no "adhesion."

[00:09:04]There was no movement that followed these decisions. There wasn't anything that made me think, "This is great, this is awesome."

[00:09:13]The main argument of those in favor was the story of brands, saying to everyone, "This is the dictatorship of brands." But well, the progress report tells us that it did not have any visible effect on the exclusion of those who were not fashionable enough. So yes, that's what I was saying earlier about social issues. So Ry Landri, we've got you back, that's great, with better listening quality. Second question. Yes, okay, it's not a priority, but we can perhaps fight several battles at once.

[00:09:42]It's still important to erase social differences. Do you hear that argument reflected in clothing?

[00:09:51]So first of all, it's important, yes, uh, but the first thing to say about the school is that we are seeing a lack of resources at all levels, staff who are completely exhausted, and a degraded school climate. We also see increased school bullying and it's true that when the wearing of the uniform comes about, we feel it, we feel it as a federation of parents of students as a populist announcement on the fly that does not address the problems, the real problems of the school and it is true that the parents are against it and it was put uh so to try it on a school in Perpignan, it was refused uh this year so at the level of the school councils so it was stopped. For what? because we do n't understand the rationale, that is, the feeling of belonging and an experiment which for us is not concerted. On the one hand, you are right, clothes are obviously part of the identity of young people, but a polo shirt does not change the social and educational inequalities that you may have and it does not really have an influence on learning. That's what needs to be said. Do you really think that someone who comes in Nike or Adidas and doesn't inspire others to wear the same thing, and whose parents can't afford it, and who thinks, "My parents are poor, I can't wear Nike," doesn't make a difference?

[00:11:15]Not at all, it doesn't make a difference. For what? that the uniform, uh, it's a bit like that, it will only be the tree that hides the forest of inequalities, right? Especially since we can clearly sense that the last-minute blow will necessarily fall on the parents, and that is already somewhat the case. That is to say, the State co-finances with the municipalities, but in the medium term we don't know who will finance it since we are still, so what do we say to this child who cannot buy brand name products?

[00:11:45]What do we say? And precisely, when we talk about inequality, we need to help these families, help these families find clothes for their children. The idea behind the uniforms was kind of the same thing, it's strange to say that you're both for it and against it at the same time. Excuse me for saying this Ry Landri, there is a bit of a contradiction. You know what? We'll continue the discussion in a moment.

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[00:12:19]Welcome to the Sud Radio studio. Many of you are calling us. In a moment, we'll be with Rémy and Dominique about this uniform debate, which should really be called Félix Mathieu's unique outfit, eh?

[00:12:30]That is to say, when we say the uniform, you were giving us the overview at the beginning of this show, it's not really the uniform, it's a unique outfit. In general, what do the children wear? It's a fairly neutral t-shirt or a polo shirt, but it's true that you shouldn't imagine the uniform of an English schoolboy either. It's not the very classic uniform of an English schoolboy.

[00:12:49]Rémy Landri, you are online, president of FCPE 66. You were telling us, excuse me for saying it like this, but you are telling us both yes, we must help children who don't have much money, but at the same time, we are against the uniform. I don't really see where the logic is.

[00:13:04]So, what is the purpose of school? School is a place of learning and [clears throat] it's true that today when we talk about social determinism, it's not really about clothes, it's about the social and educational inequalities that you may believe you have at school. In other words, the issue at stake for schools is something else entirely, isn't it? And it is precisely you who ask this question, but it is a real societal debate that we need to have in order to reduce these inequalities and ensure that the students who have the most difficulties and who are linked because there is this social determinism which is ambient and which is prevalent at school, we must make sure to reduce in order to help more the students who need it. In terms of schooling, we are here giving them a future by talking about guidance, and the real problem with the school is the uniform, it's a bit off the mark, we feel it quite clearly.

[00:13:56]Well, in any case, you agree on the observation, but not necessarily on the means. We are with Dominique who is in Rousillon. Uh, hello Dominique, you 're online. Um, you're simply telling us that you need to have a minimum of appropriate attire to go to school. Hello, welcome.

[00:14:14]Dominique. Dominique? Yes. Yes. Good morning. Uh, hello Jacques. Hello to all listeners.

[00:14:18]Yes. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you very well. Go for it. So, you're telling us, "We need appropriate attire to go to school."

[00:14:25]Ah, sorry, excuse me.

[00:14:28]I'm listening to you.

[00:14:28]Obviously, of course you need to dress appropriately to go to school.

[00:14:31]She was part of one of the first apprentices. Do you hear me?

[00:14:34]Yes, go ahead.

[00:14:35]It's one of the first lessons of life. Uh, uh, that's part of the first lessons of life, namely respect for living together, respect for proper attire. We don't come to school as we are. Well, we can do that at McDonald's because it was an advertising slogan, but we don't do that at school. At school, you come as you should. That is to say, we must respect the teacher, we must respect the institution, we must respect our classmates. We are not in favor of the hypersexualization of children with bare stomachs or shorts or mini short shorts. We are here for learning, as the previous listener said, we are here to learn and smooth out as much as possible the, how to say, the social fractures. But I don't actually think that uniforms are a solution. I think that the required proper attire is a solution. That is to say, we set a prohibition, and I think that young people, as I experienced it, need to set prohibitions precisely to learn the basics of social relations, of relationships in communal living. I am a psychologist by training and I know that one of the foundations of society is knowing how to set limits. At school, you don't come as you are, you come as you should. That's all. and then we learn and we have the school doing its job with students who are already respectful of the institution. Of course, you might want to be fashionable when you are 14 or 15 years old, you might want to wear croobs, to be modern and not come with a turtleneck. That's not the point.

[00:16:05]Yes, but that's not the point. Excuse me.

[00:16:08]That's not the point.

[00:16:10]We don't come to school to be fashionable. We come to school to learn about life. No, proper attire is proper attire.

[00:16:16]This is not an outfit based on fashion. Because tomorrow, if the fashion is the thong for everyone, we will have students who will tell you "But I want to be fashionable, there was someone on the radio who said it was normal." Well, I'm telling you no. I'm telling you that we're here to set boundaries. We are here to say that this is how we work in our companies. You don't come as you are. You come, uh, with appropriate attire required. When you 're in a bank, I'm sorry, you don't expose your breasts halfway or leave the wind exposed. Come to work and when you go for a job interview and you've done all your school learning by looking at the teacher and saying I come as I want because I'm fashionable, well you don't get the job because of the money. You still have to establish a hierarchy of standards at some point, and this is a hierarchy of standards. I'm sorry, I'm not, I know Gill is playing devil's advocate. I completely agree with you. It's true that when you're a child, you 're also in the process of building your identity, and if there are absolutely no restrictions on clothing, that's also a problem. We're with Luc who's in Antibes. Dominique, thank you. Luc, you are in Antibes and you are in favour of the uniform.

[00:17:25]Well, favorable is just a figure of speech, ultimately. Well, I think it's part of a whole. If today you have children who dress as they please and do as they please from one day to the next, if you impose a uniform on them, it's certain that it won't work. It's like painting over a rusty car body, it's the same thing. So from that moment on, we have to do everything around it, that is to say, promote education, promote respect, and from that moment on, we will find it normal to wear a uniform out of respect for the other. Look at the soldiers.

[00:17:58]Are the military complaining about not being able to bring their personal equipment? It doesn't exist.

[00:18:03]In the police force, would officers say, "Well, I want to dress in white rather than blue?" It doesn't exist. For what? Because that's what creates cohesion, that's what creates recognition. So from that moment on, indeed, if we want children who are ultimately free electrons, and that's normal, we have to drill them so they learn to manage in a world that is full of rules. So from that moment on, if they are not used to experiencing this at some point, then they will later find themselves confronted with Rogers and ultimately with hatred because they cannot get out of it on their own.

[00:18:45]Yeah. We're going back to see Ry Land Andri, who is the president of FCPE 66. Thank you Luc. I also share your opinion. No, but that's because you were a correspondent in London and in England, well, for example, on TV you wear a suit. That's it, it's a matter of respect. Imagine, this was part of a debate I had with a department head one day who criticized me for being too well dressed, listen carefully, too well dressed in front of protesters who were in t-shirts and tank tops. I, I, I, I was extremely shocked because he was telling me, "You are creating a social difference compared to the people around you." Yes. I replied, "Yes, but I owe a certain amount of respect to the viewers." And respect means being well-dressed.

[00:19:28]So yes yes yes, [laughs] I am influenced by London in particular. But no, I wanted to talk to you Réy about these crop tops at the very least. Do you agree that they should be banned? It's crop tops, it's donus, it's excessively short shorts and in a certain way a sexualization too which can lead boys to say things which are not very happy.

[00:19:54]So, it's true that this affair, what happened at Arago High School, goes far beyond the simple debate about clothes, and you put it that way, and you're right, right. It does touch on several sensitive issues.

[00:20:09]the place of clothing at school, equality for boys, the place of educational establishments and this somewhat blurred line between internal regulations and moral control. It is 2026 after all, and there is a desire among some girls to be able to dress as they wish despite everything. But honestly, I do n't understand the argument. It's 2026, we can't, as a listener just said, arrive in a thong. Do you agree with that listener who just said that? I did n't [clears throat] say that.

[00:20:42]I said that the real issue is not to target a particular type of outfit or genre. And that's what the uh school did a little bit in this clumsy way that was sent to the parents of students by saying it could concentrate/distract the attention of the boys. That's why it caused controversy and was quite surprising. But on the one hand, we need to define clear criteria that are consistent, that are applicable to all students, and then guarantee both fairness and indeed a serene working environment. And there you have it, the questions asked are quite simple, but there needs to be a debate at the level of the establishment and which has an internal regulation which does not change every year depending on the moment but which is fair for all students so that everyone knows how to dress but without targeting, uh, whether it is girls or boys, to be clearer. As a federation, have you ever had students report that their teacher was poorly dressed, or conversely, should teachers also respect students and arrive with a certain dress code? I remember some rather funny things from my youth.

[00:22:02]Well, for teachers, it's the same question that arises. Yes. That is to say, the teacher should not arrive in flip- flops in general, nor should he be in daytime clothes. Well, it's pretty much the same questions, but with the " Yes" behind it. Has this ever happened to you? And teachers have more of a right to dress appropriately, you know. In any case [clears throat] there on the other hand, it is an absolute necessity because indeed there is the disorder of representation in front of the students.

[00:22:32]Well, we can see in any case that uh through uh through this progress report uh concerning the uniform, but more generally school attire uh that the debate remains lively and that there are uh well, there are those who support a certain idea, a certain respect for national education and then we heard this psychologist earlier tell us that it is imperative because this is the time of learning, this is the time of prohibitions and it is obviously necessary to set limits. In a moment, Gill's famous channel surfing. See you at 10am-noon, make sure you agree.