Erectyle Dysfuction Should Be Recognised As A Disability And People Should Be Tax Exempt~ Dr. Benson

[00:00:00]this particular hour there's a petition by a Kenyan citizen his name is Dr. Benson Kibbor now Dr. Benson um is petitioning on this particular topic how low libido and hypoactive sexual desire disorders that is that is HSDD should be recognized as disabilities Dr. Good morning and welcome to radio generation.

[00:00:21]Thank you very much and uh I'm very glad to be here today and uh thank you for hosting me so that we can have this conversation very salient conversation >> indeed >> very deep conversation around matters that we've swept for you know under the carpet for a long time you cannot imagine you cannot imagine you know we have a crisis let me tell you do we >> we have a crisis it's called bedroom crisis >> before we get into the City has a proverb for you. It's a methali. You will tell us your interpretation of it and then we get into this bedroom temperatures. City, over to you.

[00:01:02]>> Bedroom temperatures.

[00:01:05]>> Our proverbs for this week come from the Republic of Cdevoir, >> formerly known as Ivory Coast.

[00:01:14]>> Two flavors confuse the pallet.

[00:01:21]two flavors confuse the pallet.

[00:01:24]>> Yes.

[00:01:25]>> I I mean as a person who is uh from the science field >> Mhm.

[00:01:31]>> Uh I would say that u I I mean from the science level uh each line and that's why it's detectable each line is able to be uh detected that this is a flavor of its own. But again if you apply it socially then definitely you know uh we are um kind of a monogamous type of people and uh so the whole reason why I I think I tend to agree that yes it it can confuse you you say we are monogous >> yes >> as human beings >> as as that is how >> as the male species >> as a species >> as a no uh let me say how we have found ourselves the way we've been actually we were never until the white man came to this country >> okay >> we were poly >> and that's the African setup that we are in >> until a white man came and confused us here so >> did he confuse us >> yes he did confuse us but again we've provided a leeway under the marriage act you know if you want to be become polygamous >> h you you just do your things in a customary way you can go as as as your as your pocket can afford Yeah. But if you choose the other one cuz I don't know civil >> or or or Christian >> or Hindu >> then it is strictly monogamous.

[00:02:56]>> Okay.

[00:02:56]>> Yeah. But save the two aspects that is the Islamic and customary those are polygamous.

[00:03:03]>> Yes.

[00:03:03]>> You go for as many as you want.

[00:03:05]>> But um the the west actually this is symptomatic of how they do many things.

[00:03:12]They their conversations are always nuanced.

[00:03:15]>> They are polygamists. What they do is they practice serial monogamy.

[00:03:20]>> Okay?

[00:03:21]>> You marry this one, you leave. You marry another one. We pile one on top of the other. That is where the difference comes in.

[00:03:27]>> But in terms of marrying many women, >> no, >> it's contractual. It is contractual. So you it's just uh you know at the opportune uh moment you have this number but okay at the opportune moment you only have one at any given moment. Yeah but again that's very costly. We were not that way.

[00:03:47]>> What is costly doctor? I mean why should you go through divorce and all such a thing because you have to go through divorce to get to acquire another one but in customary >> what happens is you are the boss you don't >> you don't in our culture you have to >> you don't >> no >> I'm telling you something I've done >> well I'm trying to tell you >> yes >> that in many Africa we're talking about general African customs okay >> if you want want to marry another wife you are not leaving the first.

[00:04:19]>> Oh, no, no, no. Me, I was talking about divorce.

[00:04:21]Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, no. Me, I was talking about divorce.

[00:04:24]>> We were discussing polygamy. Polygamy.

[00:04:26]Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, so thank you very much. And uh uh just largely that's who we are as as as African setup and uh as Kenyans.

[00:04:37]>> All right.

[00:04:38]>> Uh but at the same time, that is why uh I think out of all the mix of all these issues is now where we have got into a crisis. Can you imagine that one in every 10 young person in Nairobi just sample anyone in here >> one in every 10 young person >> Yes >> has erectile dysfunction >> these are now men >> these are men >> okay >> okay >> 10% >> what is erect erectile dysfunction >> erectile dysfunction is when you have actually a loss of um what do you call that that that human energy or the male energy. Yeah.

[00:05:19]So, erectile dysfunction. So, you cannot rise up to the occasion to perform what you are supposed to what is the conjugal duties and you know I mean this is a very serious topic.

[00:05:38]>> Yes. We have put into statute that one person >> in a relationship.

[00:05:45]>> Yes.

[00:05:46]>> Can actually file for divorce >> if there's decession of duty of or being granted the right of the the conjugal rights.

[00:05:55]>> Yes.

[00:05:55]>> So it is one of the key areas that we have actually h put in law >> but we are not discussing about it.

[00:06:03]>> Okay.

[00:06:03]>> We are not we are not openly having a conversation.

[00:06:08]We in in the first instance people thought erectile dysfunction >> is a problem of the elderly.

[00:06:18]>> Yeah. And actually when you look at data uh when you pick at around 50 years going upwards then that even percentage rises to about 46%. Of of of people. Now you can imagine that 10% of our of of our men >> cannot be able to consume it.

[00:06:38]>> Yeah.

[00:06:38]>> And so even if they consume it and have a family person what you call 45 of the constitution, it means they cannot sustain >> cuz you have you you have a situation where the man cannot rise to the occasion. So what happens there?

[00:06:55]>> There is a problem >> a big one.

[00:06:57]>> There is a a problem. So what we are talking about is uh rights that needs to be guaranteed that needs to be put in place policy and measures that needs to be put in place in in a manner to address this particular problem. So it means 10% of our uh generation young men between 20 and 27 >> have a problem.

[00:07:22]>> Okay. 10. It means these are the persons who are trying >> their way out >> you know get nonres prescribed uh medications and that is you know our whole problem altogether. Uh so you have selenapil uh medication the people out here they call blue pill and you know blue pill has taken a lot of our men in action and so we are not why are we not having a conversation because >> and the whole reason about my petition here is to treat if you have a I was talking to a friend and uh he told me that uh you know he he didn't know that he had a a problem inside so the what was the marker he had failed >> uh in his duties.

[00:08:09]>> Okay.

[00:08:10]>> He didn't know that it was an indicator and a sentinel marker of a cardiomatabolic uh function that had gone wrong.

[00:08:18]>> Okay.

[00:08:18]>> And actually in the long run this uh out of this conversation told me he had a heart attack.

[00:08:27]>> Yeah.

[00:08:27]>> Okay.

[00:08:27]>> Yeah. He suffered a heart attack. It did not been for some very quick interventions. Yeah, >> I mean he tried to use this unprescribed medications you would not be here by >> or had you used the blue pill with yes because it has a function or its core function work it works on the heart >> it works on the cardiovascular system >> just to ensure that it pumps blood yeah uh through uh h you know to to the sexual organ so that now you can be able to retain much of the blood there so that it can be able to function.

[00:09:03]>> All right. I I just I I want to take you back a bit. So before we get to the to the whole issue of uh the medications that people are using, >> give us a brief of the petition. What what exactly is it that you're petitioning >> and who are you petitioning?

[00:09:15]>> Good. Now um we realize and uh out of the reports you have I think you've even seen women probably in Moranga. The latest one I think was in Narok. In fact, there's a joke somewhere that there's a whole almost two villages in Wasingishu. Somebody has announced that, you know, they need some men, you know, they need to transport some men from somewhere to just come and try to assist the situation because the women are complaining on that particular area. So, so it's an all real issue. M >> now arising from that I also took time to look at uh you know pay a visit to some of the uh fertility clinics some of friends in the medical field uh who are you know some of the urologists uh who are doing this and uh I also have taken time to check at um what actually the prevalence of what you know the problem underlying problem >> two weeks ago uh the farmer and poisons board um announced that actually we have some >> unregistered medication that was circulating in the market including the blue pills.

[00:10:27]>> Okay.

[00:10:28]>> So you can imagine the extent at which we might our people might be consuming fake medicine fake medicines >> arising also from what we call now the societal pressure that we are experiencing arising also from the constitutional duty. It is the function of the state to guarantee uh protection of families. Article 45 >> arising also from article 43 where every citizen has a right to health care and including the reproductive care.

[00:11:01]>> Yeah. But uh arising also from article 28 to look at the function uh restoring dignity because I can tell you somebody with an erectile dysfunction is functionally abnormal is functionally nonproductive.

[00:11:19]>> You wake up in that in that in in that bed in the morning. I mean you've gone through hell of accusations and hell of you know that you wake up out of the people I've had conversations with that actually their productivity levels goes down. So it means it is an issue that is affecting our national productivity >> that we cannot bury our heads in the sun and not have a conversation around it.

[00:11:45]So these men that are are you know having erectile dysfunction they're unable just even to function in normal society >> definitely because you have what we call uh you know it affects your self-esteem >> selfesteem the natural wiring of a man is to perform >> when there's a deviation from the normal functioning even you when you come here and probably you are flu your productivity is down you cannot be able to engage us in a manner that we are engaging like today if you have had marital issues today morning you'll not even be speaking to me like this because and you can imagine this is now the core issue I think there you I mean it's life when you look at all the socials the you know the genesis of this panga kind of things I mean it should it has a genesis around this particular area that that you know women because of the fail our failures that we are not willing to talk about is that you know they're now trying uh uh uh uh to get to their neighbor. No, please because you know and and the worst part of it >> uh because I had one one one one man talk about this is uh you know the gossip >> around the estate that you know this nothing.

[00:13:12]So that is the genesis of my petition >> and now what am I looking for in this petition >> and I'm happy because uh 70% of our parliament >> that is the national assembly >> and I petition also senate because health is also a devolved function yes but again the national uh government uh uh is um has a duty to make policy and and that's the reason why uh I've than the houses of parliament and the beauty there are also 70% more than 70% men in this house and uh not to say there are reports that we the there are men we have lost in the line of duty >> and and uh at some point there were also reports including parliamentarians >> so it's not it's not something that I I I it's out of the blues it's only that these are something yes these are something or this is something that we it has been happening Yes, >> but no one is there to discuss and why I'm bringing her out. And what what am I seeking here?

[00:14:19]>> My first uh assignment or my first prayer to parliament, >> yes, >> is first to recognize that we have a bedroom crisis >> in the country.

[00:14:28]>> Mhm. All these social uh uh h strifees that we are seeing uh every day you know this has this has harmed who and whatever >> uh is as a result if you actually do look very critically is as a result of what is happening >> a man who performs you'll never hear issue around uh in that home because there's a lot of discipline.

[00:14:54]>> Yeah. So when there's a failure there's a lot of in discipline in a home and in a you know in a family and so this in discipline now has a lot of other impacts what am I seeking here I'm seeking that we recognize erectile dysfunction >> as a disability >> as a disability one when you have an your eye having a an impairment >> that is a visual disability >> a visual disability when you have your finger having a problem >> that is a disability it's an impairment it's a disability you cannot perform e a functionally normal >> when you have even a breast having a problem you're having a disability when you have a leg having a problem that's a disability why is it that this thing that god gave us when it is not functioning it's not a disability >> so that's a question that I'm looking at and so that parliament can now define that yes this is what it defines >> if it is recognized as a disability so what now happens >> now this is what happens Uh and the second part is that uh >> men don't come out >> don't want to be known that they have a problem.

[00:16:06]>> Yes.

[00:16:07]>> And simply why? Because also the way we have wired our laws is such that there's no provision for a man >> there's even no awareness around these issues. There's no awareness that a urologist exists that can assist you to check. Yeah. It is not integrated in our cardioabolic screening and assessments in such a manner that it can actually tell us that you have a problem because engine failure is an indicator of a a a problem in your in your in in your system. So it should be a marker. If you look at our the wiring of all you look at the SH regulations 24 there's nothing it to provide for a man in Tana >> to get to a hospital >> yes >> to seek the services of a urologist to say yes I have a problem with my uh system I need some assist medical assistance >> we do not have we do not have those h express packages >> doctor you saying that doesn't treat erectile dysfunction You know >> it doesn't >> it you can only you can only go as a function of other >> uh conditions but not expressly as such.

[00:17:28]So, so what why am I seeking? I'm just seeking to say and and and you know this is a whole real issue. You know what am I seeking? I'm seeking I'm an amendment of the persons with disabilities act >> 2025.

[00:17:47]>> We recognize >> erectile dysfunction >> as a disability.

[00:17:50]>> As a disability recognize in fact let me just finish before you come.

[00:17:54]>> Okay. Okay. We even have e uh women not just men >> you know as you consumate yes >> our upbringing and the the the doctrine the religious doctrine is that you know you don't take these things until when you have consumated and officially married now you cannot even recognize whether somebody has you know ED or somebody has h >> until the night >> until the night >> the first night of your wedding >> you know that is in So you know it's marriage is like a contract you know I don't need to have mal mal presentation or mal representation in my in my marriage I need to have full disclosure tell me that at the time of the marriage >> I am not I'm not functional so that I'm able to decide whether I need a sexless relationship or I need a >> you know swall and you know the reason I was asking what happens once this has been recognized as a as a disability. For example, people who have got um uh this recognized disability such as Yamigu, Yao, they even have like special parking. They have special privileges.

[00:19:07]They have even a special fund for them.

[00:19:09]You know, they can access those particular funds. They they even even their taxes are a bit different from ours. They have certain privileges when they're importing certain things like vehicles. They're exempted from taxation and so on and so forth. Is in this petition of yours designated as a person with disability because my transformer is not functioning. I will get certain privileges or what are we saying? Thank you very much. That is exactly why we are here and that is exactly the dignity and the respect and the respect that we want men to be granted. So it's not just a question of you know God gave you an organ >> and and and every other an unfunctioning organ is when it is designated disabled.

[00:19:55]I mean you there are some protections in law uh within the society that you must receive. You know I I needed to define actually what is disability so that you know we are we are crystal clear on the disability >> what disability is. Please define it.

[00:20:11]>> Actually uh according to section two of the persons with disabilities act 2025 >> we are actually miles ahead because it says disability h is any physical, sensory, mental, psychological or other impairment. Other impairment.

[00:20:32]>> Yes. condition or illness that has or is perceived to have a substantial or long-term effect >> on an individual's ability to carry out ordinary daytoday activities.

[00:20:49]>> Okay.

[00:20:51]>> Impairment.

[00:20:54]When your transformer is not working, >> you are you are impaired >> and it confines you >> to a people who cannot even you know if we are looking at the African culture you could not even be invited for an elers meeting even in church when they realize yes when even in church when they realize that you have a problem you know you are segregated it is a form of discrimination so One thing that our constitution has is a issue of discrimination.

[00:21:29]>> Okay.

[00:21:30]>> What we are sorting >> is dignity and uh sorting out the discrimination that men have gone through. So why not when once it is declared a disability number one you have all the privileges that a disabled person must get.

[00:21:46]>> You need to have an exemption because your productivity levels is is down. So it means you have to have a reprieve in terms of how pays a provision that you need to a waiver by K so that you are paying actually up to 150,000 shillings is not is not taxed.

[00:22:12]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:22:13]>> Yeah. and and and and the other aspect the you have access to persons with disabilities you know APO you have 5% uh provision yes because you are not functioning normally you have an impairment >> but tell may I ask >> yes >> the impairment arises from something >> yes >> the impairment that we're referring to >> yes >> is a symptom >> yes >> of something else What is this something else or what are these something elsees? Because perhaps it is something that one can avoid. Perhaps it is something that well we can't self-medicate in that sense.

[00:22:57]But it's something that one can find ways of dealing with.

[00:23:01]>> Why am I saying this?

[00:23:03]>> An African male and I'm taking my generation into consideration. The moment you mention disability >> it will have more of a negative effect >> than a positive one when it comes to seeking help.

[00:23:19]>> So if we go back to what brings it about >> it may be easier for one to accommodate this particular notion and a noble one at that if I may say.

[00:23:28]>> Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very about that. You know, number one is this is a problem that we have, you know, condoned as if it is normal.

[00:23:42]It's normal to have your engine fail.

[00:23:44]>> It's normal for your woman to complain.

[00:23:47]It's normal that you are you know you you you you you seek muko and all this you know self-medicate yourself >> to think that uh it's normal uh that uh probably you know it's it's it's part of us for this thing to to to fail.

[00:24:04]>> Yeah. I mean every organ that >> we have normalized we have normaliz that abnormally. Yes. Yes. And and the reason why I think this conversation is seeking to uh kind of bring out is that we have to abnormalize.

[00:24:20]Yeah. And and and actually put to the rest of the country create the awareness. The first thing is uh you know the awareness will help deal with the stigma what we are talking about because when it is known that you know you have these uh particular condition there are all those aspects uh of of of ramifications and repercussions that you know uh and that's why men would actually die with it.

[00:24:51]But what am I bringing out is that out of this conversation we are uh going to have packages within SH that provides for um uh the actual uh uh treatment.

[00:25:07]Yeah. For those what I call reversible you know this is a condition that has a lot of um contribution. There are those that are actually genetic in nature.

[00:25:20]They are those that are actually uh you know acquired through certain uh uh conditions that goes on within the body.

[00:25:29]Uh when you have things on hypertension, when you have things on diabetes, when you have uh all these other aspects when you have also mental uh e disturbance but those are now what we what what falls into what we call reversible.

[00:25:44]Yeah. So within the policy that we are seeking is first we need to develop a national clinical guideline. Yeah. on the aspects of the screening of the diagnosis um uh h of uh you know management and importantly is on rehabilitation because once I have I've known to have this problem then what do I do then I need to have a redress what you call um a medical redress or a provision within law of a red address such that I'm able to function normally within society the other asp ect why I'm introducing this as a disability you know we've only talked the conversation we've had is such that um you know and men shy away is because there's nothing around it and and nobody even talks about it in fact when it is mentioned >> yeah they say oh yeah something like that so once it is it is it is put together and I'm now opening up so that men and women you know it's just Not just men, >> there are women who cannot rise up to perform their kugal rights. And there are men there who are probably you know forced to seek alternatives for this matter because you know whatever they consumed for is not the result of what they got you know in the end result. So, so the whole element is out of the benefits that you know when you come out >> that when government tells you that you know you have a package within SHA that you can visit a urologist then get you get access assessed. Okay. And then also we these other within the policy is that we are putting these uh ED and probably just as part of the sentinel marker for now these other silent non-communicable uh diseases the potential the diabetes >> the cancers the cancer that is sweeping.

[00:27:43]I mean and we cannot bury our heads in the sun. You can imagine that if you have 10 sons >> in you know as a father one of your son cannot rise to the occasion you know I mean it's a concern imagine as a mother you know we believe in lineages imagine as as as you have nine girls now that one son of yours is the one that now has falls to the 10%. So it's not just a question of um a conversation that we are having today. It is a question of rights. It's a question of the future.

[00:28:22]>> Africa now is the home of labor across the world.

[00:28:27]>> As the other the west declines in terms of uh the person's um you know the population the act the working population >> Africa is the one now that is supplying labor to the rest of the globe. So if we have a problem and of of the lineage and you know of a problem within our young generation then it means we have a problem with the future. So as we speak uh right now is that >> we need to look at this issue from the >> that huge number and you can imagine this is something which is not talked about. So even this problem might be bigger >> and one that is one of the reasons why we have we've called on the ministry of health uh uh to actually undertake um uh what do you call uh inquiry an assessment into actually how how how big is the problem in our country. M remember the study that happened was just uh persons who gave information out of you know uh a population and uh it was screening for other things.

[00:29:39]>> Yes.

[00:29:40]>> Yeah. So what I want is the ministry of health actually to carry out this awareness out of this uh uh uh my petition provide for rehabilitative processes >> particularly for reversible uh persons those ones that cannot be graduated to the level of disability. Yes, you'll have a right to be undergo all the screening >> but again and the level of what we call the medical uh h expert input is that this is a reversible then if it is reversible then how do we rehabilitate this person back to performance >> okay >> and then the other one which are now or the other persons who are not who are irreversible let them get the protection of the law >> protection within the society. Let them enjoy the rights like any other person.

[00:30:39]>> The push for legislation is actually fundamental to winning any medical fight. In the absence of legislation, you'll probably be talking to yourself.

[00:30:55]The research you speak of was conducted by Camry.

[00:31:02]They are you refer to markers. Let's talk about the markers that contribute to this condition because the curative aspect is clear and is documented.

[00:31:16]What about the preventative aspects?

[00:31:18]Because some of these are things that people can avoid. For instance, drug abuse. drug abuse contributes significantly.

[00:31:26]How do you deal with the anxiety which sometimes then leads to depression? How do you deal with it? Because if there's one thing that is true about men in this country is they suffer in silence and many of them go into depression without even knowing they're in depression. In fact, the problem with depression is if you're depressed, you will not know that you're depressed most of the times.

[00:31:50]>> Mhm. But your actions will indicate that you are in that particular condition.

[00:31:56]How do we highlight the things that contribute significantly to this particular problem that we have with ED >> and and and uh thank you for that. You know um what we are talking about here largely is what we call reversible.

[00:32:16]Yeah. So within the classification within the policy and and I've I've done a lot of in-depth in terms of uh getting to you know um move this process uh forward. Uh so what happens is for those reversibles that are you know you're talking about uh contribute from mental health uh from uh physical or or what I call cardioabolic uh issues um you know their potential the diabetes and all that then what you get is such that um those are classified as be classified as reversible say that that person be assisted. So if it is a question that you are having uh for example drug abuse and and or alcohol you know or um you know you know any addiction for that matter or any depressive uh condition uh for that matter then those can now be addressed. we have bodies that can now take up that particular issue and that is why within the policies to how integrated are we in in terms of to handle the uh uh the reversible forms of erectile dysfunction. Now there is now the irreversible forms or or status uh where in the opinion of um medical expert you know functionally your testosterone is out functionally your receptors are out functionally your pump you know is is you know cannot conceive or or or that's there's that system has already failed.

[00:33:59]Yeah. uh then now this is the the kind of persons that we are we are agitating for so that they get now the protection h of the law but at the same time you know the initial phase of all this is such that you need to be aware many people and and and and I I've I've uh I didn't give you actually the prevalence for example of a HSD In Kenya we are talking about anywhere between 8 to 50%.

[00:34:35]Yeah. of our women having a problem.

[00:34:39]So what we are what what we are know what we are doing now is to the first phase of this awareness and so that now the next phase is for parliamentarians to understand that there is a crisis within uh in our bedrooms. Yeah. in such a manner that now we can h in the address or of of this petition is we want to have what we call marital satisfaction.

[00:35:11]>> Um we you know that emotional breakdown within families because you know families are the unit of our statethood and so the protection of the families uh will actually lead to protection of the children. M >> um we have if if you know if we are not very certain then we have as a country going to have a problem with this other generation because also the type of uh living that we are headed to you know the sedentary type is actually aiding towards propelling these ED issues e to rise okay so the aspect also I think you've seen other aspects sposal infidelity and all this. So what we are saying is addressing this particular problem and giving it the uh the the the the >> attention it requires >> is actually addressing a the future of the country.

[00:36:14]>> Okay. If we fail also to address, >> we have a rising problem and we probably we shall be offending article 45 of the constitution which demands us that we protect the family.

[00:36:29]>> Yes.

[00:36:29]>> But at the same time we have a generation or a future that is not certain.

[00:36:37]>> We government also is talking about you know the productivity of a person at work.

[00:36:41]>> Yes. You know if this is documented yeah properly and know actually the magnitude the impact at which this problem is having to our national productivity is a question to h e h e h e h e h e h e h e h e h e h e h eh to address. The other aspect is why should we continue to lose men in action? M >> why we should not >> because we have you know once you provide uh h a men with a way out that you know you don't have to live with this problem and you know acquire all the medication self medication for yourself you have a package within our uh our healthare system >> our healthare system and when I talk about this I talk I refer to a young person in Loa I refer to a young person in Marab. I refer to a young person in you know >> and an elderly person the 46% an elderly person somewhere in the interior how can they get these services because we just need not to bury our heads in the hand sun and actually assume that we have no problem here.

[00:37:50]>> There's a let me read a few comments here.

[00:37:55]This is Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee says good morning gents. I totally agree with today's guest. This man should be given disability allowance and privileges like all other disabled persons. Chris a what causes this low libido in men and can it be treated? Muhammad Morunga says perhaps it is time experts researched the role of monogamy in male erectile dysfunction issues. So let's go to the first comment here. Disability Alliance EOP >> that is a right you should have and I want to tell uh uh the the the viewer that uh you should not shy away from what is provided for in law in fact ask more >> if you look even at the provision of uh uh what do you call um insurance in women they have even gone to the level of you know getting packages to prepare themselves for menopause it's called Menopostal packages.

[00:38:56]>> Yeah. Premiums.

[00:38:58]>> And what what about men?

[00:39:02]>> You know that as you get to uh 4550 >> Yes.

[00:39:06]>> you jump to 50%. So half of the adult males are actually have >> dysfunction.

[00:39:16]I say 45 start at 40.

[00:39:20]No.

[00:39:21]>> I'm not talking. This is not my view.

[00:39:23]Yeah.

[00:39:25]you're you're you're citing.

[00:39:26]>> Yes. The the ages that are spoken of by the people who've done research >> specifically when they have sampled >> the results that arise from those who visit urologist.

[00:39:38]>> Mhm. Mhm.

[00:39:39]>> I'm giving you the age bracket.

[00:39:41]>> Okay.

[00:39:41]>> It is 40 to around 67 68.

[00:39:44]>> Can ED be treated? Dr. If you sort the underlying causitive issues and that is why in my conversation there is a class a classification around what is reversible.

[00:40:01]>> Yeah. And so the treatable ones are the reversible ones. So you have hypertension that is you know making you know you know your heart and all this and all that and of course we can treat that weaken you have diabetes you know limits your insulin your pump requires insulin to you know the energy to pump the energy to pump the blood into the organ >> that can be reversed.

[00:40:28]>> Okay. Uh but you know once there's an assessment for example hormonally that you know um you have become nonresponsive.

[00:40:38]>> Yes.

[00:40:38]>> Yeah.

[00:40:39]>> And and and then now that is what I call the the irreversible one you be protected in law. Okay.

[00:40:51]>> Yeah. Now um perhaps it is time experts researched the role of monogamy in male ED issues monogamy contributes to ED according to you know and that's why I mean is is about that daily research I mean uh definitely as a as a as as a society >> we Um I I told you monogamy was not our thing.

[00:41:27]>> You know these are you know these are western >> thing >> concept >> concept that we have tried to legislate and the problem of we have consumed everything from the west. We've even put in our law and limit men that you know they cannot get whatever an extra you know uh household. Yeah.

[00:41:51]Does it prevent them from getting that extra household?

[00:41:54]>> No.

[00:41:55]>> If there's one law that is disregarded, it's that one.

[00:41:58]>> Definitely it depends on the choice you make.

[00:42:01]>> Okay.

[00:42:02]>> Uh it doesn't. But it means if you choose certain path, if you choose civil, if you choose Christian, if you choose Hindu, >> it means you have to you you have to void.

[00:42:14]>> Okay? You have to void the earlier uh marriage for you to acquire. You cannot acquire another one when there's a subsisting dctary.

[00:42:24]>> Yes.

[00:42:25]>> By the time in a society like the one we have in Kenya we live in >> people have come up with the terms that are accepted like what on earth do you think they're talking about? It is an accepted norm that you will even go to church. It is accepted that and we mix it. We do the traditional thing then we go to church. We mix it nicely.

[00:42:48]>> After mixing it, >> you even go through the vows that you go through in church.

[00:42:52]>> Thereafter.

[00:42:53]>> Mhm.

[00:42:53]>> You look for a PA for your wife.

[00:42:55]>> Okay. So, >> and if you find it isn't working very well, you look for a third one. Again, depending on whether you can afford it because it then becomes contractual and whether you have the means to support these people. Is it legal?

[00:43:08]That's why I start off by saying it that law is disregarded completely.

[00:43:14]>> So why are we then shying away from us having a conversation you know I mean you look at what Muga is saying it's it's it's a totally that it's a practice it's a norm >> but what have we done and I go back to the issue that I said you know we've consumed what is western without actually defining who we are. I think us to you know that you have say that you acquire personal assistant for your wife >> who you imagine is a girlfriend but how she knows she's a wife.

[00:43:47]>> Yes.

[00:43:47]>> Yeah. Yeah. But you see the other problem also is as you do this >> mu that there are also other legal protections has come. You will do this then but know that she's also now part of the matrimonial property. H sharing shareholder shareholder. So as you do this know that relationship I think that is what Muhammad is trying wait who says that they don't have a problem the the the polygamy >> could actually arise from that person already having an issue that we are discussing here >> the attempt to prove that he is not what he is >> will >> in an attempt to prove acquiring.

[00:44:39]>> Yes. Yes. Because >> but uh >> the environment, >> bro, if you do not know how to drive a Mercedes, you will not automatically know how to drive a Volvo.

[00:44:49]>> No, no. If you don't start with a car, this high-end car, >> if you don't know how to drive a Suzuki, you will not automatically know how to drive a Demio.

[00:44:58]But but anyway, these are much of the what research uh will will will give.

[00:45:04]But I think uh uh what we need to break down and I think uh in a nutshell today is that we have a problem >> and men actually needs to carry forward the spirit and the letter of this petition. M >> and I want to ask anyone and ask any stakeholder out there >> and particularly you know we we talking about boy child and the right to boy child >> and uh you know the the the our systems is now such that you know and we're starting now to have a conversation how are the rights of the boy okay >> and also the other fact is that um if we thought that ED was something of the elderly forget about it.

[00:45:51]>> It is the elderly does not actually consume these blue pills much >> largely they do a lot of the m shamba the whole thing >> these ones actually and and and just have a look >> check when you have a college around >> is where you have a higher number of chemists.

[00:46:14]>> Yes.

[00:46:18]P2 emergency pills and so on and so forth.

[00:46:22]>> That is that not a pointer?

[00:46:24]>> It is a pointer.

[00:46:25]>> So what if the generation that we are now um talking about >> we are not able to protect we you know we've we've we've we've uh the president has uh launched what you call the sovereign wealth fund.

[00:46:42]>> That's to protect the future generation.

[00:46:44]>> Yes.

[00:46:45]>> This is part of it for the men. Yes, >> it is a question of restoring and protecting our lineage. So if you are a man and you know very well that you know you have to protect your lineage >> let's make this petition >> uh work.

[00:47:05]>> Does your petition cover premature ejaculation?

[00:47:09]>> I I I think that is other conditions.

[00:47:12]No for the first time we have something called the national sexual health policy.

[00:47:21]>> Okay.

[00:47:22]>> Yeah.

[00:47:24]So that what we have is that we can define some of these things. So if somebody is having a you know a short memory you know cannot be able to you know the body cannot be able to discern quite well or it you know it's very active >> that it unleashes the ammunitions >> no sooner than >> no sooner than it has just picked up then we can be able to provide such kind of uh uh therapies uh for such person.

[00:47:52]And uh just to to bring it up um the the other aspect is um if you look at the national uh fertility actually across a visit across some of the fertility centers >> you realize actually men fertility has dropped significantly.

[00:48:12]>> The chances of you making a woman pregnant has reduced.

[00:48:16]>> Okay.

[00:48:18]>> Okay. So it means there are more more trials and and especially if women now have there's increasing cases of some of these cases like HSD and all these or um you know reproductive challenges it means then also and and that's why you're seeing there's a rise in terms of um uh assisted reproductive e interventions in the country because naturally either because of our non functionality as a result of ED >> or as a result of other other core h core factors that have now pushed some of these particular um h you know our fertility to go down.

[00:49:00]>> Okay.

[00:49:01]>> In the long run >> we will be we must also look at our at our at our act like I I I talked about uh the marriage act in earlier. M >> gone should be the days when you know you are sitted there you know asked to you know take the whole package you know without disclosures h and all that >> I mean I must know from day one >> what kind of contract and the person I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm consumating with So that what we are seeking in the end if this petition succeeds is to see how we can also entrench within our our our marriage act. I mean let it come out very clearly that you know as a result of our consumation there are certain things that I cannot be able to perform.

[00:50:01]So that now to so that the person can be able to understand are you going am I marrying you so that we can stay together at home or or the first thing I need to do is to take you to a to for rehabilitation so that I know you know I have what you call functionally uh full disclosure >> all right >> of uh the the things that I I I I I I am uh acquiring for myself >> or for yourself >> okay >> and this will go a long way in protecting marriages. You don't have to get surprised. What are why are we surprising ourselves?

[00:50:37]>> What for?

[00:50:38]>> We have a whole level to to have a a conversation and and the whole function to understand and to bring out these issues that you know it's not a crime to say you know uh you know see or you know I have a problem.

[00:50:56]>> Yeah. admission and and this is actually what will go a long way in sorting out some of the marital strives and some of the relationship breakdowns that we've witnessed.

[00:51:08]>> All right. Yes. Thank you so much.

[00:51:10]Unfortunately, that's all the time we had for this one. Um and we wish you all the best as far as this petition is concerned with celebrate it. It it takes all of us and and I'm calling on parliament particularly on parliament to rise to the occasion. The reason why God put you there to be 70% more than 70% is such that such an opportune moment you can seize it and assist your fellow men.

[00:51:36]>> It is not just a question of us suffering in this society and having low self-esteem and all this. It is time to rise up and it is time to aortion dignity. M >> to even a man who has failed.

[00:51:53]>> All right, here's a news with Winnie Manga.

[00:52:07]This is the radio generation news.

[00:52:12]>> Good morning, Amuini Maganga. The judiciary has asked the Law Society of Kenya to call off its planned nationwide boycott of court proceedings set for July 22nd. The judiciary says all courts will remain open and cases will continue as scheduled. It warned that the boycott will mainly affect members of the public with cases in court. The judiciary urged lawyers to use dialogue and legal channels to raise concerns over judicial conduct instead of disrupting court operations.

[00:52:47]Government spokesperson Isaac Moa has criticized DCP leader Gadashagwa over remarks urging tourists not to visit Kenya because of insecurity. Moa says tourism is one of the country's biggest sources of jobs and income, adding that leaders should promote the sector rather than make statements that could discourage visitors.

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[00:53:46]His remarks come as leaders from the coast region also condemned the calls warning that they could hurt the tourism industry and threaten thousands of livelihoods. The leaders say hotels, restaurants, tour operators, taxi drivers and many other businesses depend on tourist and caution that discouraging travel to Kenya could weaken the coast economy and reduce investor confidence.

[00:54:16]restaurants and it's in the entire republic. If it is not about the mountain, then it is nothing. The biggest standalone investment foreign investment. The biggest standalone foreign investment is earmarked for government spokesperson Isaac Mura has praised Kenyans for defending the country's image following controversial remarks by American actress Kai Jackson about her visit to Kenya. Moa said the public reaction showed Kenyans patriotism and unity whenever the country's reputation is challenged.