Industry Icons: Unscripted

Added: 2026-05-13

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[00:03:45]Okay, can you hear me? If you can, just say yes in the chat. I'm sure you can hear me. Now, listen. I'm excited for Beauty Changes Lives Tonight. It is live and I'm talking about unscripted.

[00:03:56]Tonight is not a highlight reel, my friends. I just want you to know that.

[00:04:02]No filters, no talking points, just real conversations of the most honest battles that have been tested by these people that you're about to see. big-hearted humans that this industry has produced.

[00:04:15]And I'm talking about these five people that I have here tonight. We're here to celebrate Beauty Changes Lives, which is really for me, it's about the industry.

[00:04:24]And it's because we change lives. And Beauty Changes Lives is an organization that supports generations and building people inside this industry. It just not it's not just about changing hair. It's about changing the future. So, let's go.

[00:04:40]And tonight I'm going to talk to you about my first guest that I'm excited to have. My first guest tonight is uh is um a person who is based in Portland and uh she's an international educator, a fabulous pro ambassador, a BTC oneshot winner. Yes, that's right. A BTC oneshot winner. uh owner of Gold Studio Experience, a salon that's built entirely around inclusivity, community, and celebrating all hair, all bodies, all people. She created interactive hair cutting and has spent 23 years revolutionizing how stylists are taught today. She has built her entire career on one belief, my friends, and that's the way we teach in this industry is as important as the craft itself. She's an educator, a salon owner, a platform artist, and honestly, one of the most generous generous voices that I know in the beauty industry. Please welcome Presley Poe. Come on in, Presley. Hey, Presley.

[00:05:42]How are you, Presley?

[00:05:45]I can't hear you, my dear.

[00:05:52]Oh, still can't hear you.

[00:06:00]No voice. We can see you. You're looking great.

[00:06:12]Just check maybe check and see if you're on mute.

[00:06:24]Uh, Presley, turn off the Bluetooth in your car.

[00:06:27]>> Hi, Sammy.

[00:06:29]>> Bluetooth.

[00:06:29]>> Hi, Presley. We're gonna keep to continue to work with Presley here in the background.

[00:06:35]>> Okay.

[00:06:44]>> Still can't hear you, Presley.

[00:06:47]>> I know.

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[00:06:50]>> Did you turn off the Bluetooth in your car? Give me a thumbs up if you did.

[00:06:54]Yep, you did. All right. So, let's figure that out. Meanwhile, what we'll do is Presley, I can move on to the next guest, Elizabeth Poe. Let's see if we can't get that working for you, and I'll have the team work with you. But I'll move to the next guest, which is Elizabeth Fay. We'll move to that. We'll do that. All right. So, we'll go ahead and take you off. Kurt will take you off. You go off, and then we'll bring up Elizabeth Fay.

[00:07:16]>> Okay.

[00:07:17]>> So, uh, let me talk about a little bit about Elizabeth Fay. All right. We'll try to get you back in. Elizabeth Fay is someone has dedicated her career to proving something that most people outside this industry uh don't believe yet and that is that hair stylist literally we changed the world and her career is about what she's done in terms of making a document documentary about it and it's also something that she's done in terms of this documentary has been really amazing in regards to uh what she does in regards to the idea of how hair stylists change not only lives but how we can change the world and she made a documentary and also has spoken on TEDex talks about it and she has transformed over 30,000 beauty careers she is the founder of hairlo in university and I might add a beauty changes lives participant in many ways So, please welcome Elizabeth Fay. Kurt, let's bring on Elizabeth Fay. Hey, Elizabeth.

[00:08:26]>> Hi. How are you? And you know what?

[00:08:28]>> Oh, I can't hear you.

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[00:08:36]Testing. Can you hear me?

[00:08:38]>> Still can't hear you.

[00:08:40]>> Really? Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello.

[00:08:45]>> I can't hear you. But they say they can hear you, but I can't hear you.

[00:08:50]I don't know what's going on here.

[00:08:53]>> We are doing a good job.

[00:08:58]>> Hello. Hello. Everyone here gets all the stars. We're doing a good job. Tech can tech sometime.

[00:09:07]>> Hey, volume's turned up. We got the volume turned up. I could hear you earlier. There. I think I heard you.

[00:09:13]>> Fantastic.

[00:09:14]>> There we go. Yes, I got you.

[00:09:15]>> All right. I would just want to give everyone some credit. Like this tech can be hard sometimes and we're doing a good job and I have ran so many events. No one knows how hard it is to be like no I'm here to do a good thing and you're dealing with tech in the background. So just shout out to everyone behind the scenes. Shout out to everyone listening like y'all y'all were doing a good job today.

[00:09:35]Elizabeth, there's a story that I know about you that I'd love for the the my the community to hear, and that is you were 12 years old when a hair stylist actually changed your life. I want you to tell us that story because I think that story proves the value of a hairdresser at the chair.

[00:09:52]>> Yeah, I agree.

[00:09:52]>> Tell us a little bit about that story.

[00:09:54]>> Yeah. Um, for those of you who are new, I'm Elizabeth Bay. I'm a licensed cosmetologist and I do a lot of life coaching and speaking now for the beauty industry. I'm the founder of a company, the Vitality Project and Hair Love University. So, I live in education for beauty professionals. And a mantra, an affirmation, a tagline, whatever you want to call it that I have shared for so many years is I believe that you change the world. And I walk around saying, "Hair stylist change the world.

[00:10:19]Beauty pros change the world." We give out stickers. We did a documentary on it called hair stylist change the world. I did a TED talk. It went viral. I had thousands of people talk about the impact their barber had on them, their hairdresser, their their nail tech, their aesthetician.

[00:10:32]Why? Why do I say that? Why do I care about that? And you just hit on it. Um, it's because my first mentor was a beauty professional. It was a hairdresser, which is why I love Beauty Changes Life so much. I've been lucky enough. I'm always a mentee, always donating my services to Beauty Changes Lives. I get to sit on the board. I've been able to co-host this incredible gala with you, Sam. And so, I know that beauty changes lives. I know that hairdressers change the world. Um, my first mentor was a hairdresser and I was a punk teen. I grew up in Las Vegas, Nevada. And the whole reason I am in this industry in the very first place um is because I ended up getting my first appointment to get my hair done and also a mandatory color correction because I messed up my own hair to get kicked out of school. I wasn't allowed to have rainbow hair and I was a punk kid. I a whole bunch of things from drugs to running away to just I had kind of a crazy childhood and I wanted to get kicked out of the school I was in. And so it was hair that got me kicked out and it was also hair that was my salvation for me. And I had a woman who gave me a business card for a hairdresser when I was expelled. And I was sitting on the curb waiting for my dad to pick me up. And a woman handed me a business card for a salon. It said the Robert Croine Salon, Mandalay, Las Vegas, which Mandalay Bay is a huge casino on the strip. Robert Cromines, if you have been in the industry, hopefully you know who he is. He's an iconic platform artist in the Paul Mitchell world. If you're newer, Google him. You should know. I didn't mean anything to me at 12. I wasn't a hairdresser. And I rolled in, sat down in the chair, and I did what I believe all our clients do. I shared every detail of my little 12-year-old life, and I made a relationship with that hairdresser that really changed my life in so many different ways. I don't know if you want me to keep going with the story, Sam, but that's the beginning of it.

[00:12:35]>> Well, you know what? I think that every one of us have has we all have our own personal story. But I love that because we talk about in this industry about connection. And little did you know at 12 years old the connection that was happening there, that particular stylist making a connection with you and really giving you something to think about. And little did you know, look at you where you are today. One question I have for you is this is how do we help stylists truly see the um the magnitude of the impact that they can have especially when they're busy in the weeds of a busy Tuesday at the chair. I mean how can you what what advice could you give that that particular person or that stylist because it happens a lot of times behind the chair?

[00:13:15]>> Yeah, we're hustling. We're doing our thing. We're living our lives where you know it becomes a haircut highlight moving on to the next thing. Um, I'll actually tie the end of the how this story ends because it ties into the answer that you just asked. How do we remember what we really do? What is it that we're that we're really doing when we say you change the world, you change a life, how well that hairdresser, um, I ended up leaving that appointment. My dad promised me I could never go back because of how much it cost for the mandatory color correction. And I spent six months doing whatever my dad needed me to do in chores to pay him back and earn the money to go back to the sacred salon. I like had to go back. And I was I have always been the type of person if you tell me you can't do something, >> I'll probably do it twice or on a TED stage. And so I come back to the salon and I drop a lot of cash at the station and I say, "What can I get for this much?" And the hairdresser is like, "Where the heck have you been? What is this?" And I let him know why I had to come back. and in in the way that a 12-year-old could. And he ended up instead of taking my money, answering that question of how much can I get for this of I'll make you a deal. And he made a deal with my dad and him that if I would get better grades on a report card, he would do my hair complimentary that time and moving forward. And he did that for me from 12 to 16 years old. So now I'm an adult, right? we can see what a huge act of kindness that was and what you know what do we really do on a random Tuesday. Well, he literally changed my life. He that's the entire reason I became a hairdresser and I've been able to give back to the industry.

[00:14:57]Someone gave back to me and something he told me when I ended up working for him at 16 years old. I dropped out of high school at 16 and um I I came into the salon that day and I said, "I don't have a report card.

[00:15:09]I'm too stupid." And he said, "How about a job?" and I got to become a hairdresser. And I remember him telling me this, you never know who's sitting in your chair. You never know how you impact a life. You never know what someone else is going through. You never know what that act of kindness, that safe touch, that moment at the shampoo bowl, listening to someone, being there for someone like is doing for someone in their life. And I lived that as you know my career. But I also have lived in devotion to giving that back because when I look back at what he did for me, it wasn't a haircut. He made me feel.

[00:15:44]What did he make me feel? I always tell people heard, seen, and loved. And that was my business advice from him and for myself was like if I can make my client feel heard, seen and loved, I will always be taken care of. I will always be successful. And so on a busy Tuesday, I think we have to remind ourselves, this is why education's important. This is why pouring into ourselves, taking care of ourselves, making good money is important is because you literally do not know the impact that you are having every single day. And you have to take those moments to remember you you have no idea everything that is going on in someone's life and you're there for a few hours with someone to pour into them and uh to really, you know, be of service in that way. So, I think that we we don't just touch hair, we touch hearts. And >> yes, >> I I think that's what we have to remember and why our craft is a career and it is so critical to take education seriously because what we do literally changes lives.

[00:16:42]>> I have I've got a couple minutes left with you and I want you to touch on something that you've been working on so hard the last few weeks that's happening big in our industry that could really affect the schools. Tell us a little bit about that, Elizabeth.

[00:16:52]>> Yeah, so I am not a lawyer. I am not a politician. I am speaking hairdresser to hairdresser, beauty pro to beauty pro.

[00:17:02]Um and you can go to um my secret.com and learn more and some of the biggest brands, brightest minds and voices are supporting us and we need your support.

[00:17:12]Um right now we have a bill presented that will stop the opportunity for beauty schools to offer any sort of loan. This is for massage therapists, barbers, um hairdressers, estheticians, nail techs. That means that they will no longer have that option which directly impacts minorities and women. And that is what makes up most of this beautiful colorful industry. This gives opportunities um literally mostly to minorities and women. Um I know for me as a single mom, I was able to change my own life and take care of my kids. So we have until May 20th to write a letter.

[00:17:48]So, if you go to mysecimpact.com, um, government literally has to read these letters. And the more letters we get, the longer we have time to lobby and to say, "Hey, this is what our industry really does." So, this letter, all you have to do is change. How do you change lives? Have you been able to give someone a job? Have you been with someone during cancer? Did this allow you to buy a home? What have been the incredible opportunities afforded to you as a beauty professional? If you're a teacher, share from that perspective. A student, share from that perspective. A salon owner, that perspective. a stylist, you get it. So, my secret impact.com, you just write a letter. It takes five minutes and just tell the government why this is a real career and not just a hobby craft that doesn't deserve to get any funding for anyone to have an option unless they can afford to go to school. So, let's make it a choice. That's what all we want is choice. That's what beauty changes lives wants. We want beauty to be a real career choice and as many people who want to change lives through beauty to have the opportunity to do so in all the colorful ways we do it. Okay, let's follow up, my friends, on that and support it. It's important for the industry. And I just wanted my takeaway on this conversation is how interesting it is. One conversation can change someone's life as it did for you at 12 years old and as we are doing by having this conversation tonight. Thank you so much, Elizabeth. I appreciate your time.

[00:19:07]I'm sending you some love. I'll be chatting with you at some point tonight or tomorrow. Okay, talk to you soon.

[00:19:13]Thanks so much. Wow, that was Elizabeth Fay, guys. And now I want to bring up somebody that's important. But before I do that, it's time to give it away.

[00:19:21]We've got a giveaway. I'm going to turn it over to Kurt. We're going to have a giveaway here. And uh you wait till you see what we're giving away. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Take a look at it. It is Beauty Changes Lives. It is our a new brush kit that we are doing. All of the proceeds for this will be going to uh percentage of that I believe it's 55 50% of that is going to be going to beauty changes lives and this will be something that we'll be having within our arsenal of tools now this whole kit it's three beautiful brushes that we are really excited about but all you have to do is just put hashtag giveaway in the chat box Kurt let me know if I got that right and uh then you >> do sir >> okay thank If you remember how long ago you and I have spoken >> I'm back. It's been many many years. I can remember Sam. Last we spoke the team the term you've used industry icon did not always pursue your name but now it does. As with all our guests, congratulations for being industry icons joining you tonight.

[00:20:30]>> Yes indeed. Alls we have to do is # give it away in the chat. Those of you who want to win this brush set, you can do so by hitting hashtag giveaway and you will have the opportunity to win tonight. At the end of the show, Sam, we will introduce the winner through our randomizer. And all of you, please only one time. Our randomizer will choose you only once. No need to do more than once.

[00:20:59]And this will allow you to enjoy the show. And at the end of the show, we'll provide you this beautiful gift from Samvia and beauty changes lives. This summer it will be available and it will be you who receive this along with so many other lucky winners in the times and weeks to come. So now Sam, please enjoy. It's nice to talk to you once again.

[00:21:24]>> A voice from the past coming from the sideways. All right, let's go to uh someone I two people that I want to introduce to you. These are uh some beauty changes lives representatives and these are really valuable important people. I want to bring uh the heartbeat of why we're here tonight and that heartbeat is beauty changes lives.

[00:21:45]Literally changing the future of this industry one scholarship at a time. the industry, the number one resource in this industry for beauty scholarships. Beauty changes lives. Now, they've awarded over $500,000 per year. And over the years, since 2012, they have raised over 8 million to support the next generation of beauty specialists. So, this is what tonight's about, my friends. Supporting beauty changes lives. So, please welcome Lisa Roberg and Lenel Lynch, please.

[00:22:27]>> Thank you so much, Sam. I mean, we are incredibly honored to be with you tonight as the founding president. Uh, I have been relentless about pursuing making careers in beauty and wellness a first choice. And Sam, tonight we are extraordinarily honored that you are going to be our legacy recipient. And I want everyone watching tonight to really understand what that means. We honor someone who is an icon in our industry, who has changed a category and elevated our craft to a whole new level, who has been relentless about giving back philanthropy.

[00:23:09]also incredibly relentless about education because this career would not live with like without lifelong learning. So Sam, you are the most important individual that we could be honoring this evening and we love how passionate you are about beauty changes lives because we do one by one change lives. I entered this industry 20 years ago and inherited a chain of beauty colleges. So didn't know anything about what this industry was. But I have been so fortunate to be mentored by people like you who have really showcased that this is the premier industry to be a part of. And I'll turn it over to Lisa to talk more about our programs and more about what we do. But Sam, we are going to put you on stage in a big way. We're going to honor you and it's just a lifetime opportunity for us to recognize the incredible legacy that you have. And you're not done yet.

[00:24:15]>> Thank you, Lenel. I'm honored. Really honored. That's special. Thank you so much.

[00:24:20]>> Fantastic. And thank you, Lenel. You did such a beautiful job recognizing Sam.

[00:24:25]And Sam, you did such a beautiful job talking about beauty changes lives. And uh we're so delighted to be here and just really highlighting our beautiful m mission of making careers in beauty and wellness a first choice. And we're so proud to be the number one resource for scholarships in the industry, awarding over half a million dollars annually annually. And that's thanks to all the people and all the of those who get involved and who help us make a difference every day, help us change lives every single day. And in addition to scholarships, we also have other programs. Uh we have mentorship, we have advanced education opportunities, we have scholarship for educators. I know we have a few educators on this call and entrepreneurial grants. So there's so many great things that we're doing every single day in addition to our scholarships changing lives. Uh and so far we've uh changed the lives of over 1500 individuals, their families, their clients, their communities, uh and all of those that they touch every single day.

[00:25:27]>> So, one of the questions I have is what does what does the the support just go to scholarships only or is it branch out in different areas? I know we cover hair, we cover nails, we cover skin care, we cover everything in terms of those scholarships. Correct.

[00:25:43]>> Absolutely. We do. We have scholarships to support every sector of the industry and uh we you know we started off with hair aesthetics has grown exponentially.

[00:25:53]Uh last year I think we had over $250,000 in aesthetic uh and skincare uh scholarships. We now have massage. We have we really want to support the full spectrum for beauty and wellness professionals.

[00:26:05]>> And if people want to come to the gala, how do they go about attending the gala?

[00:26:09]And I believe that's in Orlando on a Saturday evening. Correct.

[00:26:13]>> It is. It is Saturday, May 30th. And as Lenel shared, we'll be honoring uh the legendary Sam Via that evening. And uh the way to go is to uh go to our website and you can purchase tickets and those tickets help benefit our cause. Those the funds for those tickets go directly to support our programs and every fund, every dollar we raise, however big or small, goes to support those programs and help us change more lives.

[00:26:38]>> Well, I want to thank you both so much for what you do for the industry and beauty changes lives. You know, there's so many organizations out there where we support each other and there's room for everyone, but I really want to really just pay homage to the amount of support that you give the industry itself. You are truly the number one resource. So, I want all of the community out there to make sure you stand upright, pay attention to beauty changes lives, and please, you know, donate and let's help donate to these scholarships and continue the future of the industry going strong. Remember, my friends, it's all about the youth. what we need to do is embrace the youth and get the youth interested in this industry because it's certainly been a great one for me and for many of these people that are on this on on the um live tonight. So, thank you so much for >> and Sam, just to add to that, I always say it's our opportunity to pay our success forward to mentor the next generation. And that's exactly what Beauty Changes Lives does through mentorship, through scholarships, through so many ways, but you know, just a little bit does a lot.

[00:27:42]>> Yes. So, focus on how you can versus why you can't, cuz I know you can. Thank you so much, Lisa and Lenel. We appreciate you so much and I'll see you soon.

[00:27:51]>> Can't wait. Thank you.

[00:27:52]>> All right. Yes. See, so you know, it's a great organization. Beauty Changes Lives for those of you that haven't heard of it before, but it's really something that I really want you, if you know, every little dollar is going to help to donate for those scholarships. Imagine some of these people, one of these people that we could be donating a scholarship could be the next Elizabeth Fay, the next Lissa Love, the next John Mosley, the next Tabitha Coffee, the next Presley Poe. So, please, my friends, do what you can to help. Let's move on to our next guest. I want to introduce you to this person that I absolutely love. Man, this guy's awesome. My next guest has dressed the locks of Kendrick Lamar. Imagine that.

[00:28:28]Eminem and Idri Elba. And somehow still manages to stay the most downto- earthth person. I mean, this guy's amazing. In every room he walks into, he's just a real normal guy. He calls himself the popular nobody. Interesting. And I'm going to find it out a little bit about that. I call him one of the most important voices in the barbering industry today. John Mosley, get in here, buddy. Get in here, John. Great to see you, brother. How are you?

[00:29:00]>> I'm good, brother. How about yourself?

[00:29:01]>> I'm doing good, John. John, you know, you named your brand, your whole brand, The Popular Nobody. And I when I first saw that and I first met you and then I saw your your your brand, the popular No, I kept thinking I had to think about it like so I want you to explain that to the people watching tonight because I think it says everything about who you are, John, and what you're trying to teach the next generation. Talk to me about the popular nobody.

[00:29:28]>> Yeah, you know, my my whole Well, thank you first for having me on this live. I think this is a great thing with beauty changes lives and what the initiative is and you know just trying to move our industry forward. So the the whole brand popular nobody came about where it it was never about me being the superstar or the celebrity. It was always about the celebrities and the c the clients that I served. And so um I didn't want to come out with your typical barber name because I wanted anybody that know business already understand that it's about scaling. What more can you do? And so one of my friends was like, "Man, you like a popular nobody. You got your work all over the world, but nobody knows you." And so that just kind of stuck with me. And I always tell people that when you're branding yourself, the brand has to match who you are. And that's really who I am. When you see me, like you said in your intro, I'm just a regular normal guy that just walk around and try to uplift and inspire other people to to do great things.

[00:30:24]>> Well, you're very approachable. That's one thing that I've always noticed about you. really, you know, down to earth, very uh somebody that you talk about true authenticity. You certainly got it, John. Um, you know, you went from the football field, I want to bring that up.

[00:30:38]You went from the football field to the barber chair. What did that pivot teach you about betting on yourself that you now pass on to the people you mentor?

[00:30:49]>> Talk to me about that.

[00:30:51]>> It it taught me a lot. Football teaches you how to work within a team. And if you're a team captain, that means you are already a natural leader and people are just people are going to follow you no matter what. And so I just took that mentality from from coaching football, from being a team player on the football field to all of that. And realizing that college wasn't necessarily for me. I wasn't sitting in the classroom type guy, but I was more of a like creative.

[00:31:19]And uh with my whole family being in the beauty industry, I decided to get into barbering on a joke. And that's how that's how my whole career started with uh me leaving the football field and transitioning into the barbering world.

[00:31:31]>> Well, I didn't know that your family was in the industry, John. Was it your all your your mother and father?

[00:31:37]>> No. So, my mother Doris Mosley, my sister Lily, and my sister Ann is in the business. And now my my daughter's in it as well coming up to keep the family legacy going. And it's just one of them things where you know like my sister Lil she just was the key assistant for key assistant hair stylist for the Michael Jackson movie. So our whole family is really popular. Nobody. Yeah definitely.

[00:32:00]>> No kidding. John. Wow. That's special.

[00:32:03]That's pretty special. So um what was the last discipline that you learned personally that drove your career into high gear? What was it John? Was there something where you said okay now I'm taking off. Was there something that that uh that uh was a discipline that you learned?

[00:32:20]>> Uh just yeah the discipline was that people are always going to tell you no.

[00:32:25]So it's how do you redefine the no and continue to grow from that no and how do you push through the no. And so for me that was that was more so it you know we see a lot of students coming into this industry and they just want to get told yes yes yes to do this yes to do that but they don't realize sometimes your strength come from the no and and that what that that helps define you and grow you and knowing that when you're in school things ain't easy but as long as you keep pushing through and and defining what art looks like for you but handling your business then that's that's going to make you great. Okay.

[00:33:01]So, when you were in school, was there any moment that you felt like, "Okay, am I in the right place? I'm not sure if I made the right decision." Did that ever hit you?

[00:33:08]>> Yeah, definitely. Um because I was in a school where um you know, I I went to barber school as a joke. I was just trying to drop out of college.

[00:33:17]>> Yeah. I was just trying to drop out of college. So, it was a joke. It wasn't like I wanted to be a barber. I was just trying to drop out. And so, uh when I got to school, I didn't take it serious.

[00:33:27]And then it was a conversation that happened with me and my mother and probably six months into it, she looked at my work and she said, "Yo, if you actually take this serious, you might be really good at it." And that kind of turned that corner for me. But this school, I was like, "I I don't even want to be here. I don't I don't like I was a my discipline was going to my mom's salon on Saturdays. So when I was bad in school, so I didn't want to be in the salon or barber shop. It was just I knew that I could satisfy a little bit of t and satisfy my mom a little bit and buy a little bit of time to try to figure out what I wanted to do by saying I wanted to do hair.

[00:34:01]>> Yes. Well, that's a big play on nobody, if you know what I mean.

[00:34:08]>> Yes, sir.

[00:34:10]>> What was one of the biggest obstacles you had to face through to get where you're at today, John?

[00:34:15]>> Oh, that is a great question. And and to be true and transparent and open about this, it was that as an African-American barber coming up, people would tell me I wouldn't be great because I didn't know how to cut hair with scissors. So, I I jumped into it and I said, "You know what? I'm not going to let that stop me from being one of the greats and one of the icons in this industry." And I just poured into it and poured into it. and you know a Naha later for educator of the year, six time educator of the year awards uh in the barber space and you know being honored and different things like that that that show you that yeah let them people tell you no because that that power come from that power come from there.

[00:34:58]>> Yeah. You know what I was so proud of you when you got educated of the year because I got to tell you something my friend barbers woke up the industry.

[00:35:05]>> You guys woke us up. I mean, you came out of nowhere and just woke us up. And now I I as far as I'm concerned, you guys continue to lead it and especially with what you guys are doing creatively.

[00:35:17]I mean, you just really just opened up the room, the ballroom big, king-size.

[00:35:21]Um, out there, you know, you probably we have a lot of listeners out there, John, that are like uh maybe there's people out there that are considering getting into the industry. Maybe there's people considering leaving the industry. So, I'm gonna ask you first. If there's someone out there leaving the industry, how can you help them? John, >> uh, >> consider the industry.

[00:35:41]>> Why would you leave an industry that's still thriving? And I don't even feel like we hit our peak yet. I still feel like we're climbing that mountain and it's so much more and so much more opportunity that you could do within this industry. If you don't want to do hair behind the chair anymore, then go to your local, you know, beauty college, barber college, and see how can you give back there. Maybe it's in education, maybe it's in uh, you know, admissions, maybe it's in, you know, being a a school advisor. But it's so many different ways to stay within this industry. And I think so many people just think that you got to leave the industry from leaving behind the chair.

[00:36:18]And it's not. You can you got different avenues. You could go to a company and see, you know, what they might have for you. Product development, research and development team, social media. It's so many different ways that you could stay connected. But I think we get and put oursel in a box of only thinking about what we've been able to do with our hands and not necessarily opening up our mind.

[00:36:39]>> Yeah. Well, you get comments here flying in, buddy. So proud of you and all you do, all that you do for everybody and what you've accomplished in this industry. And I it certainly is really uh something that you've done, John. And like I said, buddy, you're you're humble is your middle name. You know, humble is your is your middle name. Um one more question, John, and that is what what's your take on beauty changes lives? You know, in terms of what they're doing, you know, tell me what why you support Beauty Changes Lives and why you feel beauty changes lives is uh valuable to our industry and what they're doing.

[00:37:13]>> Well, just listen to the name. The name tells you all of it. Beauty Changes Live. Like it's just that beauty has changed so many people lives around me from my mothers to my sister my wife my kids you know everybody around me has life has changed you know for me to grow into a leadership role to be able to help mold the next generation that was beauty you know what I mean and and I think what beauty changes lives is doing is giving other people opportunity to be a soloreneur a entrepreneur to be a leader to to to actually be part of one of the oldest professions where we are still able to actually touch people and have that energy shift and have that mindset shift and just talk to them. And I think we're a place where people don't have fear and beauty changing lives by giving scholarships and opening up that doors for as many people as they have and to continue to open up that doors for all sectors in our industry.

[00:38:09]That's key because we don't typically see that anymore. We don't we don't have the help really anymore. Think about what's what what's coming down the pipeline. So if beauty changes lives, continue to push the narrative, continue to do what they're doing. Our industry will still have great leadership come from under it and also great hair stylists, great barbers, great nail techs, great esties.

[00:38:30]>> Well said, my friend. Well said. I want to thank you, John, for your time, brother. I really appreciate you. I look forward to seeing you in Orlando at Beauty Changes Lives. And I want to thank you again for everything that you're doing for this industry. Keep pushing it out there, my friend, because the industry certainly needs you and more people like you. Thank you again, John.

[00:38:49]>> Appreciate it, >> brother. Talk to you soon.

[00:38:52]>> John Mosley, you know, if you ever need if you make sure you're following these people, their hashtags are coming up on the screen there, but uh John Mosley is once again really a a guy that if you get a conversation with, he also has a book. So, make sure you get on his on his website, get on his IG and check out he's got a great book. All right, let's go back to my first guest tonight. And I think we've got her all set up. And I just want to make sure that I really um take care of her. I mean, this this person, I got to tell you, you talk about a personality. This one's got a great personality. Uh she was scheduled to be my first guest. She had some tech problems, but she's Portland based, an international educator, a Babist Pro ambassador, BTC Oneshot winner, and owner of Gold Studio Experience, a salon that's built entirely around inclusivity and community and celebrating all hair, all bodies, all people. She created interactive hair cutting, a hair cutting system. She spent 23 years revolutionizing how stylists are taught.

[00:39:52]and her one belief is that the way we teach in this industry is important as the craft itself. So a great platform honestly and on a great platform honest and honestly one of the most generous people that you will ever meet. Please welcome and let's bring in Presley Poe.

[00:40:07]Presley Poe. Hello Presley. Yay.

[00:40:11]>> How are you my dear? Great to see you.

[00:40:13]>> I'm excited to be here. Thank you for having me.

[00:40:16]>> Oh it's great to see you and have you having you here. I just really think that um you're a special person. So I you know my my my question that I have for you uh Presley is about your education and you know how you talk about the education is just as important as the craft the way we teach and I love watching you and how you develop this thing of what you're doing now most recently. So let's talk about that in regards to what it is that you're doing in regards to technique is only one part of education. Give me some meaning behind that.

[00:40:50]>> Absolutely. I heard this phrase. It was actually from my friends at Dispute and they said um education beyond technique.

[00:40:57]And you know we're sitting in this room and you're watching people that have been my mentors are still currently my mentor. I mean like I love John Mosley.

[00:41:06]Elizabeth I'm like just take all my money and take me all around the world.

[00:41:10]Like I go to all of her retreats. like she's my business coach. So to be in this room is so cool. And the thing that I look for the most is the string theory, right? So in any of these rooms with these people that you're speaking to, there is this like level of there's something that everyone is saying. And I I um I watched this show one time. It was uh Mishka Hakatary I think is her name. And she had done this thing where she knew something was off her whole life. She couldn't figure out what it was. And so then she was like, so by the way, she's it's called My Daughter Jane or My Mother Jane is the documentary.

[00:41:49]And there was this one moment in the documentary where her sister said something I thought was really profound.

[00:41:54]She said, you know, the truth is in the room when everyone seems to dance around it. And I was like, that's it. That's my superpower is I'm like there's this truth that's running through the entirety of our industry and it's so simple and it's so close that like no one's actually looking at it which is really to say how simple what we actually do is and that technique itself is not a part of fundamentals right so I feel like we chase down technique and what's interesting is so I'll sit in rooms with hairdressers and I'll ask them how many of you like to be told what to do and immediately their faces are like >> yes >> and I'm like exactly you don't I go but just know that by coming into this room and asking me to tell you how to do a technique you are telling me to tell you what to do and then you are going out there and you are expecting yourself to remember just by seeing something that may have resonated with you or validated your own experience and I said that's not freedom Right?

[00:43:02]>> That's a different prison.

[00:43:04]>> Freedom is understanding of your of your fundamentals. And when that happens, you can see confirmation bias in every class you go to. And you can automatically connect it back to what you already know because you're not saying, "Tell me what to do." You're saying, "Show me what I cannot see that I already know." That to me, and this that's like real manifesting, right? It's peeling back the layer and seeing what's already in front of you and being able to utilize it and and actually hold it in reverence in a very different way. And you know, we have these two industry icons, John Mosley and Elizabeth Fay, right? And one's a barber and one, you know, she's running retreats and doing these things, but the story is the same of like how we're showing up and what we're doing.

[00:43:52]Like what is the experience of that? And that's what I love about your education and and these other people, Lissa, you know, all of us that are in this room is like it's an experience and you know with the fundamentals never change. They just don't change and they're actually really simple and it's like law like law cannot be broken. It just is. You cannot rewrite it. you can only use it which makes it where you are now co-creating. And as John was talking and he was like, "Oh, they were talking whatever because I couldn't use a scissor." I'm like, "A clipper is a scissor.

[00:44:31]>> It's just a different form. It's just a different form." And I'm like, "All of these things I see as the same." Even from a colorist to a hair cutter. And people are like, "Oh, you do curls." I'm like, curls are closer in relation to color than straight hair because of the systems that they go through and how the fabric changes before you get to the end result. I'm like, it's all the same. The fundamentals are there. They streamline through everything. And it's just interesting because when we're in the class, it's really the experience of that educator. And I tell people, I'm like, the thing is, your clients are paying for the haircut secondary to the experience of you, >> right?

[00:45:11]I mean price is what they pay, value is what they get. So what value are you giving them? Right?

[00:45:16]>> And your value should be in your depth of understanding of your fundamentals that help you to read that conversation and say, "I know exactly what what you want without you being able to explain it to me because I don't need you to tell me what to do. I know how to do it.

[00:45:30]I just need you to tell me how you like it to get there." Exactly. Yes.

[00:45:36]Congratound, you know, taking notes. I mean, it's just amazing what you're saying.

[00:45:46]Brilliant. Uh, principles or one of the things you I I like what you're saying is fundamentals. I don't know what it is, but we all pick up hair the same way. We all do the same way. We move it the same way, but we come up with all these names, and sometimes it's so difficult. I love your in terms of just keep it simple.

[00:46:04]>> Keep it simple. Right?

[00:46:07]>> Simple. It's so simple. And that's the thing is I tell everyone I'm like my goal in life as an educator and as a human being who is like facilitating a space of growth. Like I cannot make you grow. I cannot make you change. But I can facilitate a space in which your eyes are open to that which you knew but now see in a different way and actually can interpret and understand. Yeah.

[00:46:29]>> And I'm like >> that right there. It's like showing up in that way and allowing people to have the experience, right?

[00:46:40]Like that's really >> that that really is it for me. And the fundamentals, there's a saying that I love about the fundamentals. Um that the uh what is it? The master understands that the most difficult thing you can do is uh to to master the fundamentals while the student seeks validation in the difficulty of their work.

[00:47:05]>> Ah nice.

[00:47:07]>> And I just live by that. I'm like y'all like if we could get on this page and we could see the truth in everything and what we're really doing is judging logic and also this name thing, right? So hold on. I got go back to that the I honestly actually felt stupid >> for a long time because I didn't know why we had a haircut that was called, you know, the octopus or this. I'm like, no. But I tell my students is I go, the thing is, I go, as much as you don't want to be told what to do, you would pay $500 to come to this class for me to tell you what to do. As much as we feel ignorant because we don't identify with the names of things, you're constantly asking what's the newest, best, and greatest thing, and you want to push the envelope further and further and further. But if we were like the Great British Baking Show, you would understand that community over competition is it.

[00:48:02]>> And secondary to that, you are all working with the same ingredients to where when that little thing goes over, you can still make bread. But the beauty is the next thing, the biggest thing, the baddest thing is your authenticity.

[00:48:15]Because your brain, your body, your hands will put the same ingredients together without a name, without a technique, without a whatever, but you got fundamentals. You know how to make bread and it will taste different, it will rise different, it will cut different, and it will have different intentions. I'm like, that's really the sauce is I think that we should be helping people be more of themselves and understand how things work than try to be like other people and just take techniques from them.

[00:48:39]>> All right. So, how do let's let's take like let's take the youth, okay? or younger hairdressers. How do um stylists feel free themselves um from the prison of being told what to do?

[00:48:55]>> They first have to understand that that's what they're doing.

[00:48:58]>> Okay?

[00:48:59]>> So you create awareness.

[00:49:01]>> We create awareness around oh if I'm asking you for a a how do I do that instead of why does it work that way?

[00:49:11]M >> so first is the awareness of of oh when I ask you how do you do that and you show me you're basically I can only parrot you. So now I only know that move and I think that this move is this and that that move came from you. But if you say why does it work that way? Now we're talking elevation. Now we're talking overdirection. Now we're talking strong line with width, soft, diffused, right?

[00:49:42]No lines in demarcation, lengthening, and long. Like that's all you can do.

[00:49:46]Imagine having a school where the teachers set the students up and said, "Here's this string theory." And every single thing you do will connect to these three things. But just like the color wheel, you have three co colors that can create infinite tone. You have three structural things that you can do that will create infinite shape. And if you lock in on that, it's done. Like it's done. You can't with me. I know it all. Literally period. I'm basically Samia, you know.

[00:50:18]>> I love you. I love you, man. You're I love you're so spot on. So spot on. You You got this thing going on. There's aura about you that's happening right now. I can see it right through the screen. You're spot on in regards to where we need to go. And I think everybody needs to listen to you. Uh this I got there's a comment here, authenticity is a superpower. You got it.

[00:50:38]>> Absolutely.

[00:50:39]>> You got it.

[00:50:40]>> Superower. And I think if we could foster that, >> if you can foster that, like if I give one tip this whole show about anything to do on social media, it is literally that being authentic is the way for you to stand out. Being authentic is the way for you to never go into robot mode.

[00:50:59]Understanding your foundational, your elements is the moment where you can have choice, where you can have freedom, and where you can sit with your client in that energetic space and not work so damn hard, >> right?

[00:51:12]>> Like that's the reality is like we have been trained backwards. And I know you know this Sam because you're so good at efficiency and showing us so quickly like how to get in and these tricks that we can do. And the thing with that is I'm like y'all if you understood all these things and you could watch that and go oh and instead of thinking it's a magic trick you could say I see why that works and I could do that and open our mind to everything is connected.

[00:51:37]Everything is everything. Right? Like >> I mean there's a there's a big thing out there Presley and I'll start to bring this some closure but there's a big thing out there about you know the youth you know and and uh listen everybody let's just face it we need the youth they need to come into embrace them so let's embrace them but what we have to understand is that they're never going to be like for me I just found out uh Presley August the 13th will be 50 years for me that I graduated from beauty school. I know I couldn't believe it.

[00:52:06]Somebody brought that to my attention because they did some research and found out. But my point that I'm making here is that with the the kids in school will never work the way I worked. They're not they don't have the attitude that I have what that I had when I was their age.

[00:52:20]They're not going to work the long way.

[00:52:21]What we need to do is understand they are who they are. Embrace them and become get more ideas from them. In other words, let ask them questions and get them involved. I think is how we need to work with the youth. thousand% >> telling them what to do, you know, because they're not going to do it.

[00:52:37]They're not going to do it. They're telling >> a thousand% and they shouldn't do what we tell them to do. Question everything.

[00:52:44]Period. Why does it work that way? Yeah.

[00:52:48]>> Yes.

[00:52:48]>> That's it. Stop asking what you're doing and start asking why you're doing it.

[00:52:53]>> Yeah.

[00:52:54]>> Sam is like we not and this is another thing I love about you and I'll I'll close this off is that like you connect with the youth and you said not that long ago you're like they are who they are. Get used to it and freaking acclimate because this generation is different. And I was like okay fine. Dad said I had to. And then the secondary part to that though is like we talk to people who don't have experience like that makes them bad at something or naive. But really what it creates is is is a blank slate of creativity. They're in void space. That is literally where creativity lives. And if you gave someone three colors and you said you could make anything and they knew nothing about color theory, imagine the explosive magic that they could give you with that. And if you gave hair cutting and said, "What if I told you that it was actually the same as hair color and that hair color was a visual representation of shape and cutting was a conceptualization of shape." And when you pair them together, you get a baller conversation and they could find the string in it and say, "Oh, then we wouldn't have you do this and you do that." We would say, "I have everything.

[00:54:00]I just use a different tool to do it.

[00:54:02]And there would be less ostracizing.

[00:54:04]There would be less separation. There would be more authenticity. There would be more of a unity consciousness. There would be more excitedness about doing something that feels different because the reality is advanced is in this. It's notation. It's how this feels.

[00:54:18]>> That's correct.

[00:54:20]>> Need those freaking perspectives. Like >> putting these two things together.

[00:54:26]>> Literally, that's >> you got to put these two things together. And that comes with experience. It comes with time. I want to go back to something you said. I'll I'll close it with this. Ask why and you will grow. And I really believe if they understand the why, the how is so much easier. As a teacher, >> you know why, you know.

[00:54:43]>> Yes. Say how.

[00:54:45]>> Yes. Then comes >> why. When how not how when why >> or not not what, you know, not what, but why and how is so important. I love you, Presley. I can't wait to see you again.

[00:55:00]I hope to see you in Orlando, our pastor. I hope so. And listen, I'm sending you a huge Sammy hug, hearttohe heart. Thank you so much for your time and all the best to you. May you continue on your successful journey.

[00:55:11]>> Thank you. Thank you. I love you.

[00:55:13]>> Hi, Presley. Thanks.

[00:55:14]>> That was huge. I don't know about you guys, but I walked away with some nuggets there from Presley. I got to tell you, you ever get an opportunity to just have a conversation with Presley, I highly recommend that you uh take the take the time to do that because what she brings, I mean, it's just and I'm watching her and the way she's cutting curly hair is just really interesting to see what she's bringing into the into the table and how she's doing things.

[00:55:38]All right, so here we go. Let's keep going here. My next guest is living proof that your life can look exactly how you design it to. and she owns a salon in LA. She travels the world educating, lives between Amsterdam and Los Angeles. And yes, she's married to a rock star, Sebastian Danzig. I hope I said that proper, Sebastian. He plays for the rock band Pale Royale. I'm not sure if I said that. Lissa will probably correct me. And together, they are truly a power couple running parallel creative empires. Now, Lissa has been very open about her own battle with imposttor syndrome, almost making her quit. But what I love most about Lissa Love is that she did not walk away. Lissa, come on in, my dear. Let's welcome Lissa Love. How are you, Lissa?

[00:56:31]Oh, I can't hear you.

[00:56:34]>> Oh, hi. Hi. Can you hear me? Hi. It's I'm so happy to be here. You know, it's so First of all, you said the names right. Yes. Sebastian Danzic. Yes, Pelle Royale. Yes, I just moved to Amsterdam, but I still live in LA as well. Um, but it's just so funny like one thing I love about our community is I literally was just with Presley Poe in Amsterdam like two months ago.

[00:56:55]>> Oh, yes, that's right. Yeah.

[00:56:56]>> Yeah. And now we're here doing this amazing live together. And you know, I just I love the community. Like it's literally worldwide.

[00:57:04]>> All right, Lissa. So, you've talked about imposter syndrome. It's almost something that made you quit, which I'm so glad that you didn't. Yeah, >> you're now a global name in this industry. So, I have to ask you, Lissa, when was the moment that uh self-doubt was the loudest? Was there a moment that it was loudest? And what made you push through that self-doubt?

[00:57:28]>> Okay, so first of all, I do not talk about this as much as I should. And I'm going to tell you what happened, what I took away from it, and what I did to turn it around. And it's a story that I feel like people would be like, "What?

[00:57:40]You're so crazy." So, this actually, you would think this would happened in the beginning of my career when I was like a baby stylist and I didn't know what I was doing. This actually only happened like two years ago where I just started getting this little voice in my head like comparing myself to other people or I'm not doing enough or maybe I should take a break, maybe I should step away, you know, and this self-doubt, this little voice, if you allow it, which I did and it just got louder and louder.

[00:58:12]It got to the point, Sam, where I actually told my husband Sebastian, I was like, "You know what? I think I'm gonna take a break from the industry, >> which like if you take a wide lens, you know, of my life and my career, you think I have it all, right? Like I'm brand ambassador for an amazing company.

[00:58:29]I get to travel. I do all the biggest hair shows, etc., etc., which is not wrong. But at the end of the day, even the biggest names, quote unquote, can still have the biggest fears. Like the biggest thing that's holding someone back isn't talent. It can be self-doubt, right? And so I actually completely decided, now I have not told anyone this, you're the first one. I completely decided to take a break and I actually made a video saying goodbye to the industry.

[00:59:00]Thank God that I did not release it because here I am. So, I made a video. I was going to take a break, but I knew deep down if I was going to take that break, I probably wouldn't have come back just because getting back in that rhythm, I I don't know if I would have, you know, and what I decided to do with it is finally I was like, you know, what am I thinking? What am I like? I need to overcome this because I'm not going to allow this voice or this feeling to to take away everything that I worked for.

[00:59:33]And so instead of quitting, I actually went the complete opposite and I ran with it because if someone that is in industry that's been in the street for 15 years now and has done what I have done, etc. like you know done the shows whatever and can have that feeling. I know other people feel that feeling too.

[00:59:53]Yeah.

[00:59:53]>> So, what I decided was I'm going to actually make a tour out of this and let the world know that if I feel this way, you probably feel this way too. And you are so close to when you overcome is when you actually get to another elevation of your industry, of your career, of who you are as an artist, as a person. if you don't allow that feeling or that doubt to overcome everything. And thank God I did it because I had a very amazing tour that I did last year called the Imposttor Artist Tour and traveled to 22 states in 28 days and talked about this feeling, this self-doubt that I had. And and you know I I I strongly believe that one of my reasons of being in this world is to elevate people not just our industry people because I really I've come from nothing you know and I made the name for myself and if I can do it so can you there's truly nothing different besides between me and anyone else. It's just overcoming and pushing forward. And so, thank God I'm here with you, Sam, and everyone else. And um I didn't allow that feeling to take me down.

[01:01:06]>> Well, thank you for sharing that because I'm sure at a point in your life, it was pretty loud in your little voice, in your little head about whether or not you should you could continue. And I want everybody to know out there, and I think I can speak for Lissa and a lot of these people that are here joining me tonight, it's very lonely at the top.

[01:01:25]very lonely at the top. You know, like Lissa was saying, I think I heard you say earlier, you know, you think we have this, we have this, oh, we're doing this, we, you know, it's it's we're constantly moving and constantly rethinking and reinventing and thinking what's next and what are we going to teach next. But most importantly is uh you said how, you know, you elevate people. You know, when you elevate people, people will elevate you. And I think I'll never forget uh Lissa when you came up to me way back in the day and we verily first met and you said I want to work with you. I want to be on stage with you. You remember that?

[01:01:58]>> Yeah, of course I do.

[01:01:59]>> Said one day I want to work with you. I want to and we've had that opportunity and I'm just really happy for you. The fact that you really pushed through that. So for the people that are out there, the community that's out there, what would be something that you could share with them that someone shared with you that helped you get through this?

[01:02:20]>> Um, well, I mean to be quite honest, like it's exactly what you said. It is lonely the top and it was I didn't really have people to talk about this because I on social media if it seems like everyone is just killing it, right?

[01:02:36]everyone is doing something great.

[01:02:39]There's no negativity. There is no self-doubt. And it's just like, who do you go to? Because on social media, it seems like everyone's lives are so amazing. Which don't get me wrong, I'm sure it is. But at the same time, we're human. And I don't know if it's someone that some someone told me, but if I could tell someone, it's kind of like what Presley talked about is be authentic, be real, like show up in ways on social, in person of just talking about your good days, your bad days, so you can just kind of humanize yourself to the world and make yourself more relatable and not make people feel like, wait, what's wrong with me? Because it just seems like everyone is doing so great. you know, let's talk about the real raw authentic good, bad, ugly things because then it it can make it create a space, a safe space for us all to be able to like have a conversation about it.

[01:03:32]>> So, let me ask you, what were some of the signs that you noticed that you were breaking through this imposttor syndrome?

[01:03:40]>> Were there any signs? I will say first the signs that I felt imposter syndrome was just it it kind of felt like this just weird thought which I never allow like I feel like I'm a very confident person and I never allow anything like that linger and it started lingering so one thing when you are feeling this is don't allow it don't listen to it but the signs that I felt when I was overcoming was when I actually went to a hair show I don't remember which one it was and someone came up to me and they were they basically just said like hey like you are the reason that I went to beauty school like you changed my life blah blah blah and that was one of those moments where it was like there is a purpose there is a reason how dare you be selfish and quit because you are changing uplifting and affecting other people's life in a positive way so it almost felt like I was being selfish if I was just going to do an easy out >> so I I would imagine there were probably times when you uh had conversations with Sebastian in regards to this and and together being able to pull through this because I know I I I know you. I I follow you. I I I I enjoy uh watching you and you guys have been through so much. You know, this new place that you're building, you've been robbed in LA. You've been through so many things. You had so many opportunities there where you could have just throw the talent, but you chose not to. And you know, it's actually like bringing up Sebastian too. When I told him, I was shocked at his response. He was just like, "Okay, take a break as much as you want." Which I I if he told me, I'd be like, "No, you're not quitting your career. What are you talking about?" And then when I talked to him about it after when I went, you know, went and did the tour, etc. And he told me, he's like, "I I I kind of allowed you to figure it out on your own, but I knew you would never quit because I know you, you know, and so um yeah, so his response was really amazing, but I understood that his response because he knew that I would never actually go through with it."

[01:05:48]>> Yes. Well, listen, Lissa, I really want to thank you so much for your time because there's so I know there's so many people out there. I know I once went through that, you know, questioning myself, self-doubt. I think that's things we normally go through that >> and it's normal. Yeah.

[01:06:02]>> Everybody out there needs to understand it's normal, but how you get through that is really what's important and thank you for sharing how you've been able to pull through it. I will see you in Orlando. I look forward to that.

[01:06:13]>> Yeah, I'm very excited.

[01:06:15]>> Excited you're coming to beauty changes lives.

[01:06:17]>> Yes, I'll be there. We're actually sitting at the table together which I'm very excited.

[01:06:20]>> We're looking forward to that. Uh listen, tell me just give me give to the community out there one thing that you would do all over again. What's the one thing that you would if you had an opportunity to do it all over again?

[01:06:32]What would you change? Is there anything in your career that you would change?

[01:06:36]>> Um I don't I don't necessarily I don't know. I I will say like maybe one thing that worked was saying just yes to all opportunity.

[01:06:48]Um, even before I was ready, I said yes and then I figured it out. So, I wouldn't say there's something that I would change because I do feel very blessed and even if it was the wrong turn, it turned me into the right direction. But just say yes before you're ready and you will figure it out.

[01:07:05]I promise you will.

[01:07:07]>> I love that. Love that. I'm giving you a Sammy hug heart to heart, my dear. Say hi to Sebastian for me.

[01:07:12]>> I will.

[01:07:13]>> See you soon. And thank you so much for sharing and dropping those gems with us tonight.

[01:07:16]>> Of course. Happy to be here. I love you, Sam. See you later. Bye.

[01:07:19]>> Bye.

[01:07:21]>> Wow. Lissa Love. I mean, there's only one Lissa Love. And you ever get a chance to meet Sebastian Husband, he's an awesome guy also. A lot of times I'm running out running into them out in the road there. They will be in Orlando. So, I'm looking forward to that. All right, let's continue on. I've got my last guest here that I'm just excited to meet. This one, we always kind of like uh I mean, they're all great, you know, but you save the best for last, don't we? And don't forget about the giveaway.

[01:07:45]Hashtag giveaway. Make sure you put it on on the um chat box and we're going to get ready at the end of Taba Tabitha coming up. So, we are closing out tonight with someone who has never once been afraid to say the things that nobody else will say. She's a legend.

[01:07:59]You know who I'm talking about. A survivor. She's got a great business mind and she has given more of herself to this industry than most people know.

[01:08:07]She's an Australianb born hairdresser.

[01:08:10]Bravo TV star Tabitha Salon Takeover, the author of two books, and she is a champion of personal reinvention. That's right, a champion of personal reinvention, longevity and the human side of success. Please welcome somebody that I adore. Please welcome Tabitha Coffee.

[01:08:31]>> Hey, Sam.

[01:08:32]>> Hi, Tabitha. Thank you so much for taking the time and being here tonight.

[01:08:36]I so appreciate you. So, >> are you kidding? This is amazing. I've loved listening to everyone. What Lissa just said >> just resonated so much and such an important thing to talk about as well.

[01:08:49]>> Right. Well, Tabitha, you've been in this industry for 40 plus years. And if anybody's reinvented yourself, it's been you. You've done that more than once.

[01:08:57]What do you know now about longevity in this business that you wish someone had told you when you were starting out?

[01:09:07]I think for me longevity isn't built by staying the same, right?

[01:09:14]We sometimes think that you've just got to keep turning up, turning up, and you do have to turn up, but it doesn't mean you have to stay the same. Longevity for me is built by really staying connected to ourselves and authentically who we are while also allowing ourselves to evolve and grow and morph and change.

[01:09:38]And I think that sometimes what's hard for people, they think, "Oh, I did that really well or I was really successful in that. I've got to hang on to it and not let it go." And then we just become stagnant. you know, we need to grow all the time. And I think that's something also recognizing that reinvention isn't about becoming someone else. It's about refinement of who you are. And that's, you know, it's like taking a haircut or a color technique and tweaking it and refining it, refining it, refining it.

[01:10:14]That's what reinvention to me is. It's just working with who I am and who I'm growing into and who I'm maturing to be and what I'm into, which hopefully for all of us is always evolving and changing. And then just making these really small kind of refinements to that and then it feels fresh for us so it feels more exciting and I think it feels fresh for everyone else. Was there a time in your career, Tabitha, where you really felt like, "Okay, I'm I'm I'm I I can speak for myself. There's been times, Tabitha, where I go, ah gosh, I'm just doing the same thing over and over, you know, I need to change or I need to do something or do something a little bit different." Were there times when that would happen to you and you would say to yourself, "Okay, I need to say this in a different way or I need to do this in a different way."

[01:11:04]>> I've been always been pretty good with saying what's on my mind. We all know that. I'm pretty good with that.

[01:11:11]>> Um, but yeah, I mean, not unlike what Lissa said in a different way, I've questioned, is my passion still there, >> right? Do I feel like showing up in the same way? And I think anyone, anyone, it doesn't matter what level you're at, people see the outcome. So they see the success, they see what you're doing, they look at that, but they rarely question or see what you're doing internally and the internal conversation that you have to have with yourself and how you have to negotiate with yourself to become the person that can hold the outcomes that you're holding, right?

[01:11:58]Whether that's nailing a great haircut, doing a great color technique, making an amount of money, showing up on social media, we don't see that and we hold that so close and I think that's something we should talk about more and I'm so glad to see that we're having those conversations.

[01:12:16]>> Yes, it's time to have those conversations. Was there early on in your career, was there anyone that really uh changed your career?

[01:12:25]>> Oh, yeah. So my beauty school teacher and I started my hairdressing career I was 15 so I was really young and she was probably my age now and I thought she was ancient like to me she was dust right and I can remember her giving me a really hard time with things I needed to do and just saying to me you watch you'll use them one day and I think of her a lot because the first time I did New York Fashion Week and I had to pull out one of those techniques. I was like, "Huh, there it is. Thank you, Mrs. Ranger. Thank you."

[01:13:03]But, you know, I'm so inspired by so many people. You're you're one of the people that inspire me. everyone that you had conversations with today and so many of the young people in the industry inspire me so much and actually give me the rocket fuel to want to keep showing up and come to shows and see what they're doing and follow them on Instagram because I mean that to me is the community of our industry but also where the inspiration comes from. We can't always gas ourselves, but if we look hard enough, there's always someone else to give us a bit of juice.

[01:13:42]>> Yes. Yes, it certainly does. I think that's important. Um, how has beauty changed your life, Tabitha?

[01:13:50]>> Oh my I mean, it's everything to me. I couldn't imagine, you know, I I couldn't imagine the twists and turns that it's taken me. So, again, double down on what Lissa said.

[01:14:03]Say yes. Even if you don't know what you're doing, you will figure it out or look for someone that can help you figure it out. Um, so it's saying yes to opportunities. But I started my career at 14.

[01:14:19]>> Mhm.

[01:14:20]>> My hairdressing career. It's over 40 years that I've been doing it. I still love it as much today as I did back then, probably more because it's different now for me. Um, and it's taken me in so many different twists and turns. And that is something for me it's about taking the box off. And that's part of longevity as well. Take knock a wall down in the box that you put yourself in. Stop labeling yourself and restricting ourselves and you know saying we can't. We can. It may be a little challenging. It may feel really uncomfortable sometimes, but we can do it if we really want to. And it's choosing our hard, >> right? You know, there's I I'm sure there's some uh students on this uh with us in this room tonight. And um I mean, confidence is something that a lot of times I think the youth face when they get into something new. Can you point to one moment in um that where someone or something gave you your first boost of confidence?

[01:15:31]>> Yeah. I first of all I want to say I don't think we need confidence as much as we need courage.

[01:15:37]>> Ah well said.

[01:15:38]>> It's not confidence for me that we need.

[01:15:41]It's courage and just courage to take that first step. And for me, it's always been the people that whether it's a client that trusted me with doing something or I still remember the first haircut I ever did that someone did a haircut. It wasn't a freebie. It wasn't a model. They paid >> it.

[01:16:04]He had really strong.

[01:16:07]I had to scissor over comb it and build the graduation out. And it took me nearly two hours or more to do it. He was so patient. I could see everyone in the salon staring at me. I was petrified.

[01:16:23]And it was the courage I needed to say yes and to do it that helped then build my confidence of being able to move forward. And sometimes that's what we need.

[01:16:34]>> Yes. Absolutely do. That little small push. talk to me about something you and I are so passionate about and that's mentorship. You know, where are we with mentorship in the industry? Where do you see it going? Where is it now? What do we need to do in regards to mentorship?

[01:16:49]>> Um, I am always going to say we don't have enough. Not because people don't want to be mentors because we need all the mentors we can get. Right? So, um, mentorship to me isn't about being in the industry for a long time or being a certain age. For me, the goal of mentorship isn't to make people like me.

[01:17:12]That is the last thing I want to do.

[01:17:15]It's about helping someone access their own voice.

[01:17:19]>> Yeah.

[01:17:19]>> Their own talent, their own creativity, their own leadership, and their own way of doing things. And that to me is really what men about I have a belief that we're magnificent. Human beings are magnificent and I mentor I hold your magnificence and your possibility until you can hold it for yourself.

[01:17:45]>> Well said. Why you are who you are?

[01:17:47]Tabitha, what would you give to the um uh the industry if you could give it something right now and change it? What would it be? What what would you give to it?

[01:18:03]>> I would give everyone out there because we all need it, including us that have been in it for a long time, Sam. So, we need it too sometimes. I would give us the reminder of what we do is so incredibly special in the way we touch people in ways we don't even know and the connection is the gift in this industry and I would remind everyone out there that gift that they have how special it is and how incredibly valuable they are.

[01:18:43]Well said. Well said, Tabitha. I just want to say and thank you, say thank you to you for who you are and for what you bring to the industry. I mean, you have uh really shared so many things throughout your career with so many people. You've shared so much with me and inspired me in so many ways that you don't even know. But I want to thank you so much for your time because I value your time and I hope to see you in Orlando and I hope that our paths cross soon. Anything you want to leave the community with, my dear? Um, just thank you for having me and I adore you, Sam, and back at you tenfold. You inspire me all the time. I love seeing you and thank you. Thank you for having me here.

[01:19:21]>> My pleasure, my dear. My pleasure. All the best. I'm giving you a Sammy hug, heartto-he heart. You take care of yourself and I'll see you soon.

[01:19:28]>> Bye.

[01:19:28]>> Thanks, Tabitha. Bye bye. Tabitha coffee. I mean, when you talk about somebody that's really inspiring, it's Tabitha coffee. I mean, I remember watching her on Bravo and TV and uh I think I was um I was at my salon at the time, but Tabitha has just inspired me in so many ways. I'm going to be turning you over to our uh giveaway coming up tonight, but I just want to leave you with some some closing remarks, and that is that tonight was proof of why I personally love this industry myself, my friends. It's just amazing in terms of this industry. You're talking about real people, real stories, real impact that's taking place tonight. And if anything you heard moved you, I want you to support Beauty Changes Lives. Every dollar that we raise goes to beauty support uh beauty changes lives to support scholarships for people that are entering in the beauty world. This is hair, nails, aestheticians, skin, everything that you can think of.

[01:20:26]Beauty, beauty changes life supports that. So, every dollar raised will go to the future of a hair stylist, a future of a barber, a nail tech, a skin tech, or maybe even a future educator.

[01:20:40]So, it's about someone whose uh life is about to change and beauty changes lives, makes that happen. So, thank you for being here and remember to um respect yourself and most importantly, let's continue to respect each other.

[01:20:57]Thank you to Presley Poe, Elizabeth Fay, uh Tabitha Coffee, John Mosley, and Lissa Love. Five beautiful people that inspire us every day in this industry.

[01:21:10]And may we continue to inspire each other. God bless. Thanks for watching.

[01:21:14]And I'm going to send you send you over to our giveaway.

[01:21:21]>> Well, thank you, Sam.

[01:21:24]It was quite the show this evening.

[01:21:27]Loved it. Loved it indeed. It's time to give it away. We use our randomizer and she we shall begin it. Here it goes.

[01:21:40]There is our winner tonight.

[01:21:44]Now, please be be sure that you let us know exactly who you are, where are you from, and how we can reach you when it's time to give away the brush set this summer for you. We will not forget you.

[01:21:58]Please let us know. Contact that gentleman, whoever he is on the screen, and uh [email protected] and we will provide you your prize this summer when it arrives.

[01:22:12]Thank you all. We've enjoyed it greatly.

[01:22:15]And Sam, it's so good to have a chat with you once again. Good night, everybody. I hope you enjoyed the show.