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[00:00:16]Cancer survival stories. She showed that being bald is powerful. One of the most powerful photos I've seen on the internet back. She actually showed that sign of power road. end of the road most dangerous patient stories. This lady, she had a triple negative breast cancer. She called me one day because you know that there is nothing more which can be done.

[00:00:52]2011 World Cup apparently even during the World Cup he was having symptoms and Dant was a player of the series.

[00:01:00]She had this mutation called as braa cleaning. She removed both her breast cancer hospital. I've heard so many great things about it.

[00:01:09]>> They have a very good palative care department. You are keeping that patient comfortable until he or she passes away.

[00:01:19]I like him so much.

[00:01:23]special eological zone anti-cancer bodies they went and collected blood samples they saw that there were certain mutations in DNA mutations they can be both protective and cause cancer that there were quite a few mutations which are protective for cancer the ultimate story of a cancer survivor >> Dr. Arjun welcome to in talks.

[00:01:52]>> Thank you so much.

[00:01:56]It's not at all a formal conversation but deep deep subjective I want to ask couple of few question sure the glory of being a doctor is gone what I feel is there is a lot of struggle which goes into obviously everyone goes through that learning superist 15 to 18 years of studies and somehow confidence on the other patient.

[00:02:41]>> Patients have also lost faith in the doctors and doctors patients.

[00:02:47]Maybe has the faith gone or not? That is also a thing.

[00:02:54]And on top of that, so pat it might be good but still it is AI human factor.

[00:03:18]So it is a difficult job. I'm pretty sure every profession is difficult.

[00:03:24]There's also a lot of feelood effect especially cancer you have a lot of good feeling as well.

[00:03:32]So that is also there pros and cons as in any other field. So cancer.

[00:03:41]So to begin with basic level tumor tumor so that is what cancer basic level. Oh no. So two types, saroma, carcinoma types of cancers. Yes.

[00:04:05]Sure. Of course.

[00:04:17]This is normal. This is what normally happens.

[00:04:20]It decides after doing it work, it doesn't die.

[00:04:38]So that is where the term tumor comes.

[00:04:48]So three kinds of cancer saroma, carcinoma, leukemia. So how different are they? How different in the sense based on where the cancer is starting from saroma or carcinoma or melanoma or leukemia.

[00:05:14]So this is mostly blood cancer cells maybe in the mouth or somewhere else depends on the starting cells bone Atlantigl Okay.

[00:06:04]Okay.

[00:06:13]Melanocytes Melanocytes are the cells which give contain melanin coloring.

[00:06:31]Yeah. So basage 1 2 3 4 it sounds very scary stage one usually the size of the tumor is quite small and treatment for stage one Usually very simple survival will be more than 90% stage.

[00:07:24]Oh, brainage.

[00:07:32]So for instance breast Cancer stage one and two.

[00:07:36]Stage three metastasis multiple mechanisms. So it can either spread spread through the blood or it can spread through something which is known as lymph lymph nodes.

[00:08:13]>> So Type three intervening.

[00:08:30]Yes.

[00:08:44]plastic bottle like vegetables.

[00:09:02]So reality check because heat exposure direct. Direct causes of cancer direct.

[00:09:37]So on a contin right. So same thing again.

[00:10:10]So again it is not a direct form of cancer.

[00:10:16]We all enjoy the taste. We all like it.

[00:10:18]So that is there but again not a direct cause of cancer.

[00:10:30]insulin resistance and again these are all indirect forms of cancer indirect causes of cancer >> right so most dangerous cancer forms like if you could explain patient stories especially among women most common breast cancer cancer Cervical cancer mouth of the uterus and cervical cancer most common in women are breast and cervical cancer. So the inflow most and started troubling stories and there are some patients who stay with you. Pat most of the patients survive some patients unfortunately they pass away.

[00:11:22]One of the patients I remember is four years breast cancer and she had a very bad cancer.

[00:11:36]We might have the same form of cancer treatment drastically different.

[00:11:50]They might behave differently to the treatment.

[00:12:00]So this lady, she had a triple negative breast cancer hormonal types. So triple negative hormone triple negative breast cancer. So this is one of the worst forms of breast cancer.

[00:12:20]8 months and then she called me one day.

[00:12:27]That day she was not able to breathe properly.

[00:12:34]And by then she had very bad cancer body.

[00:12:45]So and then at that point of time because you know that there is nothing more which can be done and I know and at that point of time you only have one more week to live or one more month to live.

[00:13:15]It is fine.

[00:13:19]So what to do with this?

[00:13:22]So some pat.

[00:13:25]I want to hear the truth.

[00:13:32]Not everyone. You cannot give. This is not mathematics.

[00:13:39]What can you tell with your kids and she passed away after a week and most of these patients 70 years of age her age was 33y She had cervical cancer.

[00:14:14]Unfortunately, whatever is there in the body.

[00:14:39]So and after one year at that point of time she presented to us but problem what happens with most of the cancers treat.

[00:15:10]So this lady she came back with cancer after the initial bad surgery and then we operated her and operation again within eight or nine months she again had cancer and then the last one month she had a very to time.

[00:15:28]hospital. Literally she was in and out of the hospital.

[00:15:35]That time her son was also giving 10th board exams every day to the hospital.

[00:15:48]So these are some things which really stick with youcess.

[00:15:58]Yeah. Cancer patamilies chemotherapy.

[00:16:25]So this is the mechanism it is like a sort of poison which only attacks the cancer cells. Cancel.

[00:16:54]So effects and obviously >> so we recover again.

[00:17:06]>> Yeah.

[00:17:06]>> But again it is time for the next cycle of chemotherapy. So most of the Okay.

[00:17:26]Mostly every 21 days next four to five days they get active again in India thankfully. So family support and then patients start recovering again and next 15 to 16 days and then it is time for the next cycle of chemotherapy like cancer cells.

[00:17:59]This is a mamog usually adise after the age of 40. Every lady should get mamog at least once a year.

[00:18:19]Yeah.

[00:18:21]Over here.

[00:18:31]So this is used for identifying exactly.

[00:18:39]Yeah. So this one and this one. Yeah.

[00:18:46]Yeah.

[00:18:48]So it's like a small lumpl.

[00:18:53]Exactly. So yeah, stage one.

[00:19:12]So breast cancer. So this one is breast cancer. So what do we have there?

[00:19:19]Yeah. So right, right.

[00:19:42]So this is a case of most probably lung cancer. left side upper half and lower half upper lobe and lower lobe. So left upper lo so this is most probably lung cancer in a male patient. Got it doctor. So Dr. basically early detection.

[00:20:10]Sure. Lung cancer. lung cancer actually.

[00:20:21]It is basically like a sponge.

[00:20:35]Oh no.

[00:20:41]And so unfortunately problem stage one or stage stage three or stage four usually the size of the tumor is too breathless conditions.

[00:21:09]Canc we adise screening for these patients highrisisk patients regular smokers They addicted to the cigarette highrisisk patisk patients age of 50 or high resolution CT scan.

[00:22:00]So this is a way of screening basically.

[00:22:29]Yes.

[00:22:42]Nicotin is the addictive compound.

[00:22:47]harmful chemical compounds, carcinogenic compounds, multiple benzene compounds, compounds, compounds, heavy metals.

[00:23:02]So, and on a daily basis, it's like smoking. It's like basically so one on other compounds And on another handigent if it is 200 or 300 like alcohol maybe Just because it is 2020 rates still people don't care like the rate of the one cigarette was four rupees four rupees four king cigarette so four or five four and also So smoke that is a mistake. Yeah, that is a very heartbreaking story.

[00:24:52]Putting it up in the theater is one of the best way.

[00:24:54]>> Okay, next. Breast cancer.

[00:24:56]>> Breast cancer usually usually different. So usually breast cancer so incidentally detected not looking for it.

[00:25:24]These cancers have a higher these tumor these lumps have a higher risk of being cancer.

[00:25:46]Okay.

[00:25:51]Fibroid fibroid. Fibroid.

[00:25:55]Okay. Fibroad in the breast.

[00:26:16]Yeah. So usually beautiful body.

[00:26:29]No, it is very unfortunate. That is why I most of the work I do is as well related to breast and this thing. Okay.

[00:26:36]So as much as maintaining so that is the focus of breast cancer surgeons as well usually pain, four months.

[00:27:25]Yeah. So they ignore that late right. So liver cancer Dr. liver cancer again liver cancer fatty liver fatty liver even though it is not normal. It is quite dangerous.

[00:27:57]Grade one fatty liver. But liver cancer is something different.

[00:28:10]Unfortunately Indian population hepatitis B, hepatitis C, hepatitis B, hepatitis C viruspit virus infection to so because of all of this lot of fatty food consumption, ultrarocessed food.

[00:28:35]So liver cancer incident again same thing usually identy or chemotherapy or radiation. So early incidentally he's very lucky stage one or stage early part of the liver we try and preserve the remaining part of the liver and liver magical capability.

[00:29:34]So there is very distinct and most patients.

[00:29:44]So liver is the only thing which has that capability.

[00:29:48]>> Yeah. So same with the pancreatic cancer, pancreatic cancer and pancreatic cancer again.

[00:30:03]Yeah. Blood cancer. Blood cancer obviously lymphoma and unfortunately leukemia.

[00:30:16]So kids population infection.

[00:30:34]So in case we have some symptom in our body symptom okay so cancer sugar it feeds the cancer that's a myth sugar feeds the cancer actually it is like a 5050 influences especially 7day fasting 24day fasting 24 days by itself most of the late stage cancer patient in that case they should not be having cancer at all most of the late stage patients so sugar is required for cells sugar is required both for normal and cancer cells Glucose again is going to feed both your cancer cells and your normal cells.

[00:31:53]Like I told earlier, chronic inflammation and this is an indirect risk factor for cancer.

[00:32:01]So extremely stupid but cancer is contagious.

[00:32:10]This is actually a very big treat.

[00:32:21]And that is actually very heartbreaking to hear.

[00:32:23]>> Heartbreaking.

[00:32:25]Some 15 or 20 years ago even HIV patients had the same stigma.

[00:32:39]And many of the cancer patients also they have the same doubt. There is no this thing in that no basis in that you can hold hands. Yeah.

[00:32:50]>> We have to embrace cancer patients not stigmatize them.

[00:32:54]Sure. So again false actually World Health Organization who interphone study. It was a huge study.

[00:33:14]Thousands of people were included in the study and decided that there is no link between mobile phone use and cancer.

[00:33:26]And they give group ratings for cancer group one cancer tobacco alcohol.

[00:33:35]So mobile phone is in group 2. So there is no conclusive evidence that mobile phone will cause cancer. Humans at least only smokers will get cancer which is false. And lung cancer only smokers actually% of the cancer mutations and 85 to 90% of cancers are not linked to genetics. So genetic mutation even if I don't smoke I can get lung cancer risk factors indexity index daily I think it's a normal for them 550 I think a few days ago a few months ago something it hit 300 that is also a cause indoor air pollution Many people still use firewood second especially sides and all that is High radon this thing high radon content soil cigarette most dangerous >> most dangerous is definitely cigarette multiple compounds but still they are quite dangerous in fact they are more dangerous because people assume they But there's a high chance of getting cancer and kids are getting addicted to vaping >> vape and people assume it is oh no cool statement >> cool statement funky flavor and it is there is no smell as well I can take a drag That is why it is more dangerous and it is more addictive and cool and cool in fact two weeks. I had a young patient who came in I think 12 13 years he came in along with his mother >> mother and then just on a regular check is there were severe inflammatory changes infection what is wrong very young I think he was probably 15 not more than that no doctor I don't smoke so Doc, yes I vape. It's okay. So that is that misconception most of the kids have vaping.

[00:36:59]>> Yeah. push-up bras, tight breast cancer because I keep putting up real influences to prevent breast cancer.

[00:37:26]So funny and the problem is many people end up believing that but there is.

[00:37:38]Yeah. So next deodorants skin cancers true or false?

[00:37:47]Many studies were done with regards to this deodies deodorant and breast cancer as a part of research specialological zone.

[00:38:14]So next generations actually I think the study came out two years okay university I think it was a princ blood they saw that there were certain DNA mutations in DNA DNA they can be both protective and cause cancer mutations.

[00:39:00]So they're both plus and minus. So wolf's blood were quite a few mutations which are protective for cancer.

[00:39:13]We used to study this when we were in biology school selective mutation theory of selection. So the wolves whatever wolves were exposed to the radiation >> and they kept on breeding and then these selective mutations kept on getting passed down and these wolves they have a protection against cancer. Very interesting study.

[00:39:42]Wolves are not men.

[00:39:52]Very interesting topic.

[00:40:02]It was so fascinating.

[00:40:14]absolutely dark but creatures somewhat luminous nature.

[00:40:27]It's very interesting.

[00:40:31]I mean shock waves I'm not sure exact I keep watching quite a few document extremely fascinating they have such welldeveloped nature I find that very fascinating.

[00:41:03]>> Very fascinating. David, anyone will be able to identify famous I think he said 98 or 99 and still active. He has a slow soothing calm voice.

[00:41:28]He's released released a documentary.

[00:41:32]Okay.

[00:41:34]Okay.

[00:41:37]He's traveled around 75 kilome.

[00:41:52]It feels very bad sometimes, >> but I think he's doing something right.

[00:42:01]I can go for hours like cancer survival stories like she was the only woman every man would go crazy for her like cancer fight.

[00:42:34]One of the most powerful photos I've seen on the internet like multiple people.

[00:42:50]We keep hearing about it because especially and she she showed that being bald is powerful and even wife Aishman Aishwan Kurana's wife and she posted a picture of her showing her scar marks picture backam scar marks and she actually showed that that it is a sign of power.

[00:43:24]>> I know I I'm suffering with cancer >> but I know I'm stronger than cancer.

[00:43:28]Cancer does not define me. roadblock.

[00:43:31]Yeah. End of the road.

[00:43:35]Lung cancer. Exactly.

[00:43:51]He had that same thing in the chest.

[00:43:55]And that powerful story 2011 world cup and apparently even during the world cup he was having symptoms he was a player of the series amazing player and those powerful he's doing well this was 2011 2012m M >> and chemotherapy I think within the same year he was back in the Indian team as well basically chemo radiation and surgery obviously you'll rip open and so that's okay chemotherapy drug different type.

[00:45:17]bigger in size.

[00:45:20]So basically treat basically injection power so that it will automatically fight with cancer.

[00:45:56]Sorry. Okay. No, I'm just telling. Okay.

[00:45:59]So what is the job of this immune system bacteria viruses before it becomes a big infection cells are very clever one of the hallmarks of cancer what cancer cell does is cancer cell immune system system.

[00:46:42]So cancer cells keep on developing and growing. So these are few injections one of the side effects is obviously and system retrain to identify the cancer cell. Hey normal cell.

[00:47:00]So the immune system starts acting on the cancer cells again and starts to kill it. interesting mechanism of action.

[00:47:09]You've you see that cancer is actually fascinating.

[00:47:14]Whatch?

[00:47:22]What mechanisms cancer uses to avoid treatment basis?

[00:47:31]It is a very fascinating area of study.

[00:47:33]artificial canc and even now it is quite effective. In fact, social medi this is an AI generated report. This report has been generated by. So basically we give it thousands of reports, >> millions of reports, >> million chest X-rays, pathology reports, CT scans, MSions and millions left the CT scan. This is quite basic and AI can do this. So is AI going to replace a doctor completely? Not maybe I don't think so.

[00:49:01]Yeah.

[00:49:05]So that magnifying glass >> and together we can improve patient care.

[00:49:13]>> That is the most important point.

[00:49:23]So people don't understand There will be no filmmakers, no directors, robots will okay fine. So basically okay it has gone nowhere.

[00:49:52]So people enjoy both animated movies and regular movies. Yeah. So maybe people will go and watch normal films also liked I mean I'm actually watching real people. I'm actually watching real actors. No, no, no. That is why there in the human touch and and also face recognition, body recogn future.

[00:50:56]So some companies will start making films with that actor.

[00:51:02]There was that guy in Africa. He used to make funny satical videos and he gave his AI rights over apparently.

[00:51:20]actors, filmmakers, directors, editors, they're here for some other reason.

[00:51:30]True.

[00:51:34]Sorry, I'm boring you out. No, no, you're not boring. Very interesting.

[00:51:37]Fascinating.

[00:51:43]like they want to be there. They want to work. They want to act.

[00:51:55]>> True. True. That is why they there.

[00:51:56]>> That's the fun. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:59]Doctor's encounter.

[00:52:04]It's like better technology.

[00:52:09]True. So young people like what do you think is the reason smoking cancer is always a disease of the old people exercise inactity unprocessed processed viral infection. Okay.

[00:52:48]And genetic infections usually they are usually seen in a younger population >> and unfortunately younger population that is a very unfortunate thing they respond better to treatment patient healthier than a 60y old patient obviously treated cancer aggressive Cancer fights.

[00:53:21]What are those five or six super foods?

[00:53:23]>> Sure. Sure. Multiple superoods. One of the most thing common is these cruciferous vegetables, cabbage, cauliflower, sorry. Cauliflower, cabbage.

[00:53:36]So, garlic and lemon. Lemon is also a huge superfood. Berries amla amla amla amla is one of the best superfoods. High vitamin C contender blueberry gooseberries blueberian it needs to be native native foods our body can tolerate it better feeling only okay >> so that is also there turmeric is also very good and milk right so obviously this is not a replacement for treatment rightspacient already but because it's a billion dollar indry definitely logical Obviously billion trillion dollar business and why do you want to why should we stop ition 20 years 1920s 1930s it was a huge business and then people started correcting it >> anyone cancer treatment, permanent treatment, cancing.

[00:55:48]doctors 1960s one in two patients would die of cancer that is almost like a death sentence 2020 or 25 almostp especially with prostate cancer they don't die because of prostate cancer cancer they're dying with prostate cancer accident BP sugar maybe some other causes they die because of that chronic disease right so research is still ongoing research better and I'm actually excited to 2030 40 so maybe some cancer might get cured >> yeah hope right in general cancer% in case I'm a lady or even a man my mother sister family members breast cancer or ovarian cancer >> multiple members in the cancer having the multiple members in the family having the same cancer syndrome. Multiple cancers coming together is called as a syndrome.

[00:57:32]So most famous person who got Angelina actually ex-wife of Brad Angel. Yeah. So famous hero in salt who doesn't know her.

[00:57:58]So Angelina she had this mutation called as BRAA BRCA and okay >> so BRCA and there is a higher risk of breast than ovarian cancer among other she removed both her breast.

[00:58:17]So operation she publicized it. She put it out in the open mutation bilateral mastctomy bilateral both sides and because of that the number of people who got this braa testing done increased suspecting.

[00:58:52]Yeah, she she came and said that's why >> we actually need more and more people to do it. Not in controversial ways. Maybe >> but in better ways and we do need more awareness.

[00:59:11]>> Any publicity is not bad publicity.

[00:59:13]>> Any publicity is good publicity.

[00:59:16]So cancer hospital like I've heard so many great things about it like and why is it so?

[00:59:33]Yes.

[00:59:36]And definitely a lot of good work going on free of cost. If patients are not able to afford treatment, subsidized treatments.

[00:59:52]They have a very good palative care department. Palative care department.

[00:59:55]Not many people know about this cancer treat. But what about people who you cannot treat advancing that patient comfortable until he or she passes away that field is known as paliative care.

[01:00:17]Very important field important field and they have a very good palative care department as well.

[01:00:22]>> So definitely one of the top centers >> and uh they're doing a lot of good work.

[01:00:29]So basically, so he naturally he gets to see Balai Babu on a regular basis.

[01:00:55]No, they're very particular and and I like him so much.

[01:01:07]Okay, so the ultimate story of a cancer survivor who is which is white. Yes. Breaking.

[01:01:24]Yes. Yeah.

[01:01:27]Breaking. breaking almost.

[01:01:37]Oh, very addictive and in fact one to two extremely slow and then it picks up after four or five episodes and third and fourth season.

[01:02:03]I think I can guess one of the scenes.

[01:02:06]Let's see.

[01:02:12]Morning.

[01:02:28]Oh no.

[01:02:30]That is one scene. I think exactly like sonal bind.

[01:02:33]>> Yeah. Uh, which is And you're buying the wrong sticks, long matchics. these matchboxes out of my bang on crazy bodybuild the The way he the way he looks it so intimidating like so powerful >> and apparently that is the first time he did such a role like this such >> a roles.

[01:03:44]Wow, man. Like favorite thisw my stars and I saw that scene and I think that is a mid scene fifth season and everything man like writing, direction, cinematography, everything is perfect. Uh everything on point and actually inspiration is put in the brain.

[01:04:48]Maybe first season Walter White and he goes to get that money back. This is not That is another of my favorite scenes.

[01:05:09]>> You You got one part of that wrong.

[01:05:14]Crazy almost.

[01:05:21]I'm not in danger, Skyler. I am the I am the danger.

[01:05:45]But then after that I was like no original is far far better. Can you what characters like anything you pick anything in that series >> that character arc Walter White cancer survivor doesn't know anything starts off like that there is something else to There is always something more to talk more to talk. What a serious man. Like dude, you're missing something. No breaking. I never felt it is slowing two episodes >> but even that felt interesting.

[01:06:58]>> On that note we can close. Breaking Bad is the greatest TV show of all time.

[01:07:02]>> Definitely, even I'll concur with that.

[01:07:04]>> Thank you so much for joining. Very interesting conversation.

[01:07:07]>> Thank you so much. I had a great time as well.