This analysis effectively exposes the tragic feedback loop where cultural glorification of firearms and institutional distrust make lethal misunderstandings inevitable. It moves beyond simple blame to highlight how systemic violence erodes the very possibility of objective truth.
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Jamaica.
When you talk about serious conversation today, tonight, this evening, this afternoon, wherever you are in the world.
Because every single time there's a fatal police shooting in this country, the [snorts] entire nation becomes divided almost instantly.
One side says the young man or young men was our innocent.
Another side says the police were confronting an armed suspect or suspects.
And somewhere in the middle, the truth gets buried beneath emotions, politics, fear, anger, trauma, and street loyalty.
But tonight, this conversation is bigger than one shooting.
It is bigger than Granville.
Bigger than St. James.
Bigger than politics. Bigger than the Jamaica Young Police Channel.
Today we are talking about the dangerous culture that continues to destroy young black Jamaican men.
The culture that teach to some youths that carrying a legal gun is cool.
That being feared is respect.
That the gun is protection.
That the gun is status.
But history has shown us something painful.
The illegal gun usually leads to only two places.
Prison or the departure lounge.
And now another young life is gone.
The mother says her son surrendered.
Was the mother there?
Residents are hungry.
The counselor Michael Troupe who was an alleged predator who was convicted in the 1980s based on information received and obtained for offenses under the person's act.
But yet he was allowed to become a counselor in the PNP criminal organization.
That's why we tell you say Jamaica is a criminal's paradise.
The counselor questions the police narrative.
The police report says a firearm was recovered.
So now Jamaica is left asking what really happened.
>> [clears throat] >> Was this a tragic misunderstanding?
Was deadly force justified?
Did the system fail?
Are Are we once again witnessing two different completely realities colliding in public?
We're not here to inflame emotions.
We are here to ask difficult questions.
We are here to examine the culture.
We are here to discuss accountability.
And we are here to talk about the future of our young men before more mothers are left crying.
But here is the question I want every viewer to understand and understand tonight, today, this afternoon, this evening.
If I use this song with an illegal gun, who failed him first?
Who failed him?
The family?
You type in the com- comment section who failed him, the family, the community, the politicians, the streets, the music, or Jamaica itself?
Watch this video carefully until the very end because the final may be the most important thing you'll hear all night, day, afternoon, evening, however you are in the world.
Because now I'm going to let you watch a video of the same people in the community.
You watch and we're not going to say what they're saying and then after we're going to come and address the fatal shooting of this young man after you know, you watch the video.
Why do police fatal shootings almost always produce two completely different stories?
What would you believe if this happened in your community?
Would emotions affect your judgment?
Can grief distort memory?
So, as we said before, we say again, Mothers their emotions. So, this young man was killed on Mother's Day.
And he was coming from a party and on a ski mask.
I have seen another video on another uh where on one of those platform well, the woman who claims that she was there and witnessed the police kill this young man in which she's given said that man did never gone.
And we're telling you that's that's all we know that liars it's a part Being Being a liar in Jamaica, it's a part of the culture. If you are not a liar, it's like these people don't feel like they're alive.
Because if she is saying that the man did never gone and the mother said that he surrender because he had a gun.
So, who is lying? And then the counselor for the division is saying, "Yes, he had a gun, but they could have bring him in."
What, the police would have shoot him his foot, in his hand, or what?
Police are not trained to shoot gunmen in their hand or their feet.
They're not trained for sure that they are shoot to kill. They are trained shoot to kill.
>> [snorts] >> If you pick up a gun, an illegal gun, and you're wearing a ski mask, the only thing that you're going to do is to commit crime. What the police must do, this is culture.
How many times they have seen on the news where police kill gunmen?
If you pick up a gun, an illegal gun, you must prepare to meet your maker, because the only thing that gun do is take lives.
It's not for mugging. If you want something to mug, you go and buy one of those purses and put on your side like, you know, what the rear admiral them use to keep. Those purses that you see men walking with, that's what rear admiral use to keep there paraphernalia to prevent them from all kind of accidents. We're not going to delve into that.
So, when you get conflicting accounts, you can know that the community is lying.
Because you have a woman who claims that she's a witness and she was there, and she said that they didn't have any gun, and then the counselor himself is saying that the man had a gun.
So, education is paramount.
The rise of illegal firearms in Jamaica, only one thing it leads to is destruction.
Young men associated guns with survival and status. It's the wrong way.
Education is paramount.
With education it takes you to higher heights.
You don't have to be walking and looking behind you.
Go to school. You're 17. What you doing with an illegal gun?
Gun takes lives.
When you pick up a gun, you expect to kill someone, so expect it to be killed.
We have no sympathy for him. None. Zero.
We don't care.
You know the consequences of a gun.
And we're happy that none of the police officers were injured.
So, now I am going to let you watch a video. And I am not going to edit anything to let you listen to these people. These are the people, you know, who demonize the police and humanize criminals, killers.
And guess what?
Imagine how many people this young man have killed because he's wearing a ski mask when the police send him straight to the departure lounge. So, you watch, you listen, and you decide. WATCH THE [ __ ] JUST KILL A INNOCENT YOUTH IN A GRANVILLE.
INNOCENT YOUTH THEM kill in a Granville for no reason at all.
So, what this Andrew wholeness send them for come do in a BLOOD CLOT GRANVILLE?
ME NO WANT NOBODY LAUGH ON ME LIFE. YOU KNOW WHAT SUCK ON YOUR MOTHER ALL YOUR LIFE. LAUGH ON ME LIFE. And I know I'm blood clot junk talk. You know what suck on your mother COME OUT OF THIS.
LOOK. I KNOW THEM CAN'T SHOW WE A SPENSHELL. And because them just kill a same way they have killed me pickney pa or killed me friend them or me brother or me uncle.
You know what suck on your mother all your life. Laugh.
We not laugh ABOUT THESE THINGS.
>> WHO WANT JUSTICE? We tell this now. I see A MORNING AS THEY KILL OFF INNOCENT PEOPLE PICKING in at this. WHO WANT WHO WANT JUSTICE?
BIG [ __ ] MAN WE WANT YOU IN AT THIS.
SEE THERE? UNO LOOK. MORE DEEPER COME.
SEE THEM THERE.
SEE THE NC system there. See them THERE THEY COME. SEE THEM there they come. See them there they come. SEE DARK [ __ ] THEM A COME THERE. See the dark [ __ ] them a come there.
THE BIG DARK [ __ ] THEM A COME. SEE THEM THERE.
I beg everything good in a Granville.
See the dark [ __ ] them A COME THERE.
SEE THE DARK [ __ ] THEM A COME THERE. THE BIG DARK [ __ ] them a come. See them there. The big dark [ __ ] THEM A COME.
I KNOW WE CAN'T SEE A SPECIAL. WHEN YOU SHOOT UP YOUR LIFE I KNOW WE CAN'T SEE A SPECIAL when I say the youth fire.
I KNOW WE CAN'T see a special when they say happen.
THEY JUST SPIN A GUN PON A YOUNG LOCAL YOUTH.
I KNOW WE CAN'T SEE A SPECIAL when they say happen in a Granville.
St. James uno know that.
Uno know that one there.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO BLOOD [screaming] CLOT BLACK FOR THEM JUNK IN A GRANVILLE.
And they say peace. NO PEACE NO INNER SELF. SHARE IT TO BIG [ __ ] ANDREW WHOLENESS.
They rush him go THEY NO STIR HIM IN A IN A JEEP. COME GO TO A HOSPITAL.
ME SEE A SAME WAY AND THEY KILL me brother and they kill ME PICKING PON ME COUSIN THEM.
I SEE HOW THEM DARK STAR I KILL THEM.
Then dark As we just stop off not even 1 minute.
We don't see them EASY HIM OFF CUZ ME I LOOK BEHIND ME while me I walk off. We don't see them push him off and give him three 9-inches.
After they give him three 9-inches, HE TAKE OUT ANOTHER GUN AND WAS FIRE SHOOTING AT THE AIR AND ONE in the one car glass. The officer.
That's what me see out of my two eyes.
So, what did they do with that gun?
What?
ME TELL THEM SAY THEY RUN. EVERYTHING I MEAN THEY MIGHT GO SHOOT. OKAY. SO, WHEN ME GO BY WHEN THEM I WENT ME WHEN HIM DEAD NO ONE NEVER SEE FIRST SHOT THEM.
THEM I SAY, "COUSIN, COME LOOK WHAT COME LOOK WHAT ME FIND." ME SAY ME NO WANT SEE CUZ THEM I NEVER SHOW ME ALL ALONG.
ME SAY ME NO WANT SEE IT. THEY CALL ONE OLD LADY. SHE OLD LADY COME WITNESS THE GUN. WHEN THE OLD LADY GO, HE HE SAID HE GOT IT IN THE WAIST.
WHICH ONE I see a bag he find going and me no see no GUN AND ME NO COME from park. ME NO SWEAR FOR HIM.
Me no SEE NO GUN. HE NO HAVE NO GUN.
AND THEN PUT GUN PON HIM.
YEAH, that bag when you SHOW THEM. YES.
EVERYBODY PART OF A PARTY WE ARE COME FROM. EVERYBODY GO WALK WITH THEM BAG.
WE HAVE A FASHION.
You You don't think gun was in that bag?
ME NO NO GUN NOT IN THE BAG OFFICER. LIE WE ARE LIE. LIE. OKAY.
>> [music] >> Do you think you're ever going to get any justice in THE COUNTRY? NO. UNDER UNDER ANDREW HOLNESS UNDER WE GOVERNMENT. NO. ANDREW HOLNESS UNDER WE GOVERNMENT WE NOT GET NO JUSTICE. WE NEED FAIR [screaming] TELL THEM SAY A SHOOT OUT. WE CAN'T EVEN HEAR SAY A SHOOT OUT. WE NO WANT HEAR SAY A SHOOT A NO SHOOTOUT KIND OF POLICEMAN DEAD. A TRUE MAN.
THAT TIME THAT WE DONE TALK NOW.
>> THE A A A IN THE COME supposed to be a a a investigating arm. What in the come going to see mother?
And mother is here. Good question. What in the come going to see mother? Then can't bring back him life? He is on life after after me stop. I BEG OFFICER DO NOT KILL HIM ONE PITNEY. WHEN I TELL HIM HERE BEG HIM AND you still kill him one pitney.
>> THAT WEAK. WHAT IN THE COME GOING TO DO TO HIM MOTHER NOW? WHAT THEY GOING TO DO?
COME TALK TALK WITH COMFORT WORDS? OKAY, SO THAT'S A WITNESS. That's one of the so-called witness that claim that she had witnessed the shooting.
And oh she begged the police not to kill him.
And the likes. And she see with her own eyes.
Why the police would single him out to kill him?
Because we know that these people have been trained, cultured, socialized, domesticated to be pathological liars and haters of the police.
I've experienced it.
I am the poster child for that. 40 people 4 0 people had given statements against me in a shootout at Waltham Park Road.
And I talk about it all the time. I use it as a example. That was 2 weeks before Derrick Scott was killed by Donovan Oxocona and three other members from On Spot.
And then the people there blocked off the park road in which a few more people lost their life because they had injured a police officer by the name of Corporal Collman.
And Collman did empty his 9 mm pistol.
And a few people get shot, some dead.
It's on the Jamaica young police channel.
So, to show you that culture This is culture.
You understand?
Why do police return shooting always by claim of [clears throat] innocence? This is all it has been marketed to these people.
I don't buy it.
But before this video finish, I'm going to let you hear the counselor, the man to the right, Troop.
Listen, information received. Troop have been to prison, too.
Yes.
Not because he's a honest student but because what he have done convicted criminal and now you're telling that oh, because the PMP, they have done everything to make him clean his criminal record to make him law-abiding citizen. Jamaica is a criminal's paradise.
And I say that without any apologies.
We cannot live in a society where, you know, this kind of behavior is acceptable where, you know, people laud and revere criminals.
So, this man, this young man he wasn't a he wasn't you know, um >> [clears throat] >> a decent law-abiding citizen. As his mother said that he he had surrendered.
I don't believe the mother.
And if this young man was kneeling when he was shot by the police, where did you hear that?
From the postmortem.
Most of these people do not know that when they tell the lies, science always If them as liars.
But you have to understand that these are people who have shame, you know.
So many young men pick up guns believing it gives them power without realizing gun often control their destiny.
How many talented youth have been lost because of one illegal fire? How many?
Countless.
How many mothers bury sons because of street influence? I am from the belly of the beast. It's two of us. Two.
So if these youths in these communities in Jamaica would listen to the Jamaica Young Police Channel, they would know not to leave the gun alone.
I have stated on so many times, so many times here. It's two of us from my age group that's alive.
Most of the youth won't Most of these youths won't live to see our age.
Only two of us from my age group alive from Jones Town concrete jungle.
Everyone else is dead from gunshot because of the gun, the gun culture.
What most people don't understand whenever police officers see a gun you'll Most people don't know what it feel to look in down the barrel of a gun.
And that feeling that feeling is totally different from when you hear a music and you feel high.
That feeling is a feeling that only people who experience it can tell you.
That you're you're looking at your life about to slip away. What you must do?
Let someone kill you now. It doesn't matter how small or young or you know, the gender of the person.
A life is a life. You have to defend yourself.
These places Granville from I, you know, um these are a hybrid communities that breed criminals like chinks on the conveyor belt.
So, this young one walking with a gun coming from party with ski mask.
Maybe he had committed, who knows how many people he had killed.
So, we're waiting on the ballistic report from the police because his DNA will be on the gun. She said he didn't have a gun.
And then knowing all things are in Jamaica, when that's exposed, that woman have no shame.
When it's It's just like a woman in Jamaica that give men jacket. And when they do DNA and say child they tell lie, they tell lies that the DNA is lying and it's the man's child our children.
These are narcissistic people.
Police officers worldwide to react to perceived lethal threats in seconds.
Not for you to wait to see who's going, you know, what the bullet is going to do to you. You have to defend yourself.
But what happens if one side believes surrender occur while the other side perceive danger?
Can chaos create conflict in memories?
Sure.
Should body cameras become mandatory?
It all depends on who you ask. And we said yes cuz cameras, you know, prove liars to be liars.
But we ain't asking for mandatory police cameras because guess what?
These killers when they're killing people, they don't want any cameras. So, what? You're killing people even Stevens.
Would video evidence release public with video evidence reduce public distrust. No, it won't because Jamaican people and a whole especially in these communities that live off others like parasites who believe that whatever you have they must get it. You must give it to them.
They don't believe in working. So, even video evidence that won't change a thing about them.
Even they see the evidence they will said otherwise. They would say that it's Hollywood.
I believe a mother deserve compassion.
Yes, but if the mother know that his child or child walking around with illegal guns and killing people, then we said, "No."
Because he already signed his fate.
His fate has been already decided by him.
>> [clears throat] >> He knew what he wanted. He wanted to go to the pasture on the prison.
As the conversation with him having the end court and we said, "No."
You can't have your day in court when you try to kill our police officers.
Would any mother believe her child deserve that?
Some Some would, especially ones who have a conscience.
I remember you have a twin boys from Bull Savannah.
They related to a man who's in prison by the name of Monk.
Philip Philip and Matthew Henry, two Bible name.
And when police had killed one of the twins people want they from Bull Savannah. People wanted to block road and the mother said, "No.
My son a killer. Me how much people him kill."
And the other one was killed in East Kingston by gunmen.
So, you have good mothers out there that know that their children or child who are criminals killing people deserved it.
Can communities sometime know things outsiders do not?
Yes.
Can communities also protect dangerous behavior out of loyalty?
And that is what they are doing cuz they are humanizing this boy. Oh, he's so innocent. And he didn't know anything and the police planted the gun on him.
We're going to hear from the counselor.
>> [snorts] >> Political representatives often become a bridge between grieving communities and the state.
So, what we are saying is that the political representative is going there.
The member of parliament parliament as a you've heard all the people disrespect her.
These are criminal-minded people.
Disrespect the member of parliament and the prime minister because these are inherently deprived-minded people.
But, should politicians calm emotions or amplify public anger?
All the politician has to do is tell them, "Look, guns guns are made for killing.
If you have a gun, two things you must expect. Either to be killed or go to the departure lounge."
We do not make guns in Jamaica. There's no reason for a 17-year-old boy to be walking around with an illegal gun.
None.
Unless he is to die.
I will say that without any apologies because gun kill.
How do they sometimes deepen division?
Remember, it's because of the good work of the police force why the murder rate is going down.
Most of these killers are teenagers.
A society cannot glorify guns for decades and then act shocked when a young man die violently.
Who taught these youths that the gun equals respect?
This is something they imparted to us way in the '70s and today they say even the music, the artists them, who them big up, the killers.
The dance, people violating other people's rights.
And then people get the eye. And when a man a walk all in a dance and him have him illegal gun him up on top of the world.
Why are positive role models ignored in Jamaica?
Because you being a decent, law-abiding citizen in Jamaica, that don't make it for them.
They don't want that.
They want the killer. The killer is the one who supposed to be at the forefront.
Why do some entertainers glorify violence while mothers bury sons?
Because it sells.
Man, bus gun shotta dance and that kind of bad man, all bad man [clears throat] put up them gun.
All killers.
Whether the investigation vindicate the police or raises difficult questions, one truth remain undeniable.
Another young Jamaican life is gone.
And we're not saying too soon.
Gone because that's the life that he had chosen.
Once you pick up an illegal gun, you must expect to either go to prison or the departure lounge. As we said before, we say again, we rather the departure lounge than prison. Prison is overpopulated. When they go to prison, they go like a school. They go there how to how to smart law enforcement. They don't want to prison to change their life. They go to prison to commit more crimes.
So, it's easier to stop it from early.
Another community is angry at the police for doing their job, keeping the community safe.
Another family shattered.
And unless Jamaica confronts the culture of guns, violence, fear, and distrust, the cycle will continue again and again and again.
So, before we end this video, we're going to let you listen to the counselor, the man named Troop, himself related to a former superintendent of police, Ken Troop, who used to be in May Pen.
>> [clears throat] >> When I went there, Ken Troop was like God. How people talk about him.
So, I want you watch, you listen, and you decide. And see who's the liar.
>> [laughter] >> You understand? Who Who's lying, whether it's the counselor, that woman, the one that said that she was there, or How does that say? Or the mother. So, it's four different version you're getting.
So, you watch, you listen, and you decide.
Police shoot and kill the guy. Run him out.
AND ALL THE GUYS POLICE SHOOT AT THE GUY TOMORROW.
AND THEN THEY THEM RUN AWAY AND THAT I SHOOT THEM UP WITH A PUMP GUN.
I SHOOT THEM UP WITH A GUN.
I SAW THE ALLEGATION OF THE COUNSELOR.
I MEAN, PEOPLE HEARING THAT >> [screaming] >> SHOOTOUT EVERY TIME. I SAID TO MYSELF, "LET THEM OUT THERE. THEM POLICE MURDERING YOU."
SO, WHAT WHAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THEM?
YOU LISTEN.
THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY They They They They They They They They They THEY THEY THEY AND THEN AND THEN COME AND THEN AND THEN AND then And then And THEN AND THEN ALL THEM HEARTLESS.
YOU SEE THE POLICE THEY KILL ALL THE YOUNG GENERATION. I know you.
I know you. You fool. They They They They They They They They Every black person Every black person be disguised as some hoe. But the police find a gun with them. Can go Can go to the police station. You get 15 years. He will come out back kill you out of the road. Still have chance.
Since year up Since year we have 117 person died by the police.
Last year Last year we have 217 that kill you at 20.
The youth are dying out by the hands of the police. From your um the councilor on your St. James um Michael Troupe him saying love so he had um written something and you know, boss you know him get money from the government and you know, because police arrested his son and him and because the PNP were were in government them give give him taxpayers money. I told him to sue me.
Because Jamaica is the only place where you have convicted criminals as lawmaker. I've never seen that in anywhere. And you know who started that?
The black thief.
The black thief is the one that start started off convicted criminals, predators, child molesters as politician in Jamaica.
Now, it gone up now to quote dealer. But guess what? And I am telling the Jamaican people, when Christopher Coke is deported back to Jamaica, there's nothing there in law to stop him from becoming the member of parliament for Kingston West for West Kingston for Tivoli Gardens area. None.
And I can see only the Jamaican Labour Party can't stop that.
Because the people in West Kingston would rather him as member of parliament than any other person.
You can't deny him that because Isaac Buchanan, a twice convicted Coke dealer, is a member of parliament.
So, you heard Councillor Michael Troupe raises concerns about the number of police fatal shooting in Jamaica.
>> [snorts] >> And that is a legitimate public conversation.
But many Jamaicans are also asked in another difficult question.
Are enough community leaders speaking directly to young men about the dangers of of illegal guns, gang involvement, and violent lifestyle?
No, them big heads them on.
You have done my yard, G. [laughter] I didn't even see a stepper.
Why man would have wanted life? Fighting till you go to prison, share cell with other men, young man ought to kill people. So much people you kill.
You don't expect that you're going to get killed, too?
Because the reality is this, carrying illegal firearms dramatically increases the chances of deadly encounters. Not only with the police, but also with rival criminals and the justice system itself.
He said, "Bring him in and when I come back in 9 months, I'm going to give him 15 years." Hey, prison is overpopulated. You have a gun, a gun is made to kill.
In America, police you have a illegal gun for your police can't kill you just like that, preemptive strike.
Cuz you have a gun.
Illegal.
Some police will take you in some months. Worse if you're black.
Many citizens believe the conversation cannot only focus on police accountability.
It must also focus on personal responsibility, crime prevention, and protecting young people from entering gun culture in the first place.
Some Jamaicans are asking, "Why are more leaders not aggressively telling youths leave illegal guns alone?" No, the reason why they're not doing it because they They want to see them undergoing the youths. They want to be friends with them, not leaders.
They won't tell them stay away from violence.
Value your life and the lives of others.
No, they don't do that.
Others argue that both things can be true at the same time.
Police actions should be properly investigated and communities should discourage criminal behavior and illegal firearms.
Ultimately, if Jamaica truly wants fewer fatal police encounters, fewer mothers mourning, and fewer funerals for young men, then the country has to confront the broader culture of violence, fear, retaliation, and illegal weapons.
The police are doing a good job in Jamaica.
So, what do you believe is a root of these tragedies? Illegal guns, policing failures, politics, broken homes, music culture, poverty, or something deeper? What do you think?
I know that this is culture. This is something that is imparted to us in the '70s. That's why I have this channel.
It's only 12 of us left.
To every as I stated before, people might be saying like it's like a recurring decimal. I keep repeating it.
That's why I have this channel. So, if this youth mother was listening to the Jamaica Young Police channel, she would encourage her son, "Don't [clears throat] stay away from guns."
I can bet this boy don't even go to school. At 17, should be in high school.
No, him want to be a don, him want to be a killer.
Comment respectfully below.
Let Jamaica hear your voice.
But, remember, facts matters.
Truth matters.
And every [laughter] life matters of the law-abiding citizens.
But remember that when it comes on to people indulging in illegal activities, walking around with illegal guns to kill people, they already devalue them their life.
So, their life don't matter.
Have yourself a beautiful day. Jamaica Young Police Channel out.
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