Sam Finds Common Ground With Rep. Gluesenkamp Perez

Added: 2026-05-23

[00:00:00]Now, uh, Representative Marie Glucen Camp Perez, not uh not our favorite, uh, congresswoman. She's >> can't believe we're doing this.

[00:00:08]>> Uh, she's, um, well, listen, I want to give credit where credit's due.

[00:00:11]Although, she gets something really fundamentally wrong. Um, I don't like her politics and, um, I understand here because on some level we agree, but we also have a very serious fundamental disagreement. Uh, here she is. This is important s >> on the house floor.

[00:00:31]>> Well, it is. You know what? This is not dissimilar from Mallerie McMurrow. The idea of like knee-jerk blame government for stuff that is really a function of other things I think is is very problematic.

[00:00:48]>> Um I think we all remember being presented with a really gross um red delicious apple in school cafeterias. Um maybe you like them. If you do, you're wrong. Um, but Red Delicious, as we know in Washington State, are an inferior apple. And you know, then people argue that the kids just aren't eating fruit because they don't like it. And it's like, well, yeah, if you gave them an old boot leather to eat, they wouldn't eat that either. It's really, it's not about um, you know, it's important that we offer quality fruit um that is can compete with Cheetos or whatever kids are eating these days.

[00:01:20]>> Okay.

[00:01:22]Um, she is correct. The red delicious apple is a horrible apple. It But people have to understand what was going on with the red delicious apple.

[00:01:33]>> People do have to understand >> it was it became a commodity because it because of the way it looks.

[00:01:42]It's very red. It looks nice. But here's the other thing. It has very thick skin so it can travel more. It stays intact.

[00:01:51]So, it's it it could be easily commodified by apple growers. It's also very very popular in Asia despite the fact that it tastes like cardboard.

[00:02:01]But it's not a question of the government making that determination.

[00:02:05]The government actually just purchased what was the uh most readily available um least expensive apple and so they buy that one. But it really is a function of of the way that uh you know capitalists function at that time. They're just going to put out what is the most deliverable apple rather than a quality apple. Now, the good news is, and if you're a longtime viewer of this program, you already know this because I told you this back in 2016 cuz I knew this was happening because of uh I was friends with an Apple wholesaler at the time. In 2018, >> did you guys have a falling out?

[00:02:46]>> We did actually.

[00:02:47]>> He stopped carried Arkansas Blacks. It's it was it was over the pristine, but it's not a point.

[00:02:53]In 2018, the Gala Apple replaced the Red Delicious as the as the genuine apple commodity.

[00:03:04]>> Mhm.

[00:03:05]>> The one that was like most produced. And so it took a little time. So this is not a government problem. This was an apple industry problem. And the apple industry to its credit >> to its credit >> has uh corrected. Wow.

[00:03:19]>> More like red deliverable, right?

[00:03:22]>> 100%.

[00:03:23]>> Yeah.

[00:03:23]>> Now, for whatever reason, apparently in Asia, people still appreciate the red delicious apple, but I think it has to do more with um in certain culture. I think maybe in Chinese uh certain Chinese uh uh uh cultures, uh the bright red is good luck.

[00:03:40]>> I don't >> It is a little desperate to put delicious in the title. It does feel like they're lying to you. Totally.

[00:03:48]>> I'm just so tickled by your attempt to make this educational. I mean, I like or >> she's going out there blaming government. And it is a perfect example of like, no, this is not government's fault.

[00:04:04]>> If you went and bought a bunch of gala when it wasn't the apple commodity, people are going to be talking like, oh, you >> why are you spending all that money? I mean, there's an anti-ax sentiment that led to a lot of these problems, and it is not helped by blaming the government for the red delicious apple because any store you go into, same damn thing.

[00:04:24]>> Yeah. No, I I don't mean to to to take away from the joy that you felt being able to talk about apples in this context, but >> I mean, it's true. And it also, you know, like it's just the the the red apple, red delicious, which is easier to produce, more disease resistant, more pest resistant. But the gala, fortunately, which is a perfectly competent apple, >> has replaced it as the commodity apple.

[00:04:49]>> Don't get me started on bananas. I feel the same way.

[00:04:52]>> What do you mean?

[00:04:53]>> We only use one species of banana. We're killing off all the other ones. There's far more delicious bananas.

[00:04:58]>> Is that true?

[00:04:58]>> Yes.

[00:04:59]>> I didn't know that.

[00:04:59]>> Yep.

[00:05:00]>> What are they?

[00:05:02]>> I don't know. I I just that's where my knowledge ends. I actually don't that's just what people told me.

[00:05:06]>> That's true. No, it's true. I just don't know >> what the names are of the varieties.

[00:05:12]>> Anyways, I'm glad I got off that.

[00:05:15]>> Yeah, I'm really glad too. It's your special interests.

[00:05:19]>> Here's another example though >> of somebody doing it the right way, pushing back against the notion that government is the problem. Um, this is Zoron Mdani who incidentally when I was talking to Jillian Michaels was like, "Oh, I'll tell the story afterwards."

[00:05:35]>> Okay.

[00:05:35]>> Um, here's Zoron Mdani uh at Hunt Point South Bronx, which is going to be the site of the first cityrun grocery store in New York City.

[00:05:49]>> I love uh how he how he approached this. And I think, you know, he he maybe tested this out this this line before, but he nails it here.

[00:06:03]>> I cannot help but think of the words of our 40th president, Ronald Reagan. He famously said, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." It's a good quote, but I disagree. I think nine more terrifying words are actually I worked all day and can't feed my family.

[00:06:27]We are going to use the power of government to lower prices and make it easier for New Yorkers to put food on the table. When government understands its purpose as serving the very working people that it has left behind time and again, it can make a difference in the most pressing struggles facing our city today. It's not just that government can help, it's that government must help and our government will help.

[00:06:56]>> Boom.

[00:06:57]>> Um, it it's just it's aside from the fact that the policy he's talking about is a great policy. Um, it's just it's just great messaging.

[00:07:09]Like the idea that people should have faith in government and government has an obligation to deliver.

[00:07:14]>> Yes. Well, he believes it. We don't have Democrats making that case. You know, Cy Booker is like himself on the Senate floor to just rail about whatever. And like you could be making the case for government itself, but if you are a liberal and not a leftist, you don't actually believe in the power of government to transform people's actual material lives. You believe that the market is a more efficient way to do that. And the government is there to put guard rails on the market. Yeah. as a backs stop as you say and Zoron doesn't believe that like he is doing God's work in creating trust in government again and it's not just confined to New York and he's doing it by the way through like delivering uh fulfilling his campaign promises that people said he could never do and making sure that like the New York City government is robust and responsive. you saw that with the snow and everything like that, but also in just, you know, the the the little ways. Um, and it's important for people to have trust in government again because the federal government is making it so that they're gut they're gutting the federal government and how when some New Yorkers are interacting with the federal government, it's about like they're throwing your cousin into an ice goolog.

[00:08:34]Like th this is a positive vision.

[00:08:36]>> Yep.

[00:08:38]Um when I was on with Jillian Michaels, she uh accused uh me of being a liar.

[00:08:44]>> Yes.

[00:08:45]>> Because um we were reacting to her saying that there are Iranians on the streets of New York saying that Mamani sounds just like the Ayatollah.

[00:08:58]And apparently we said that's ridiculous.

[00:09:02]and she said, "Then she showed me a clip of a woman, an Iranian uh diaspora protester being interviewed saying that Mam Dani is just like the Ayatollah."

[00:09:19]>> She said, "Nailed you.

[00:09:21]>> See, you lied.

[00:09:22]>> You you lied." And I said, "The issue is not whether there is a protester who says that Mamani is the Ayatollah."

[00:09:32]I said, "Tell me why you think he's a jihadist and a communist." And she said, "Well, that's not the point. The point is you lied about there being a protester, the people on the streets saying this."

[00:09:45]>> So the whole interview is basically about her complaining that that we were mean to her.

[00:09:50]>> Yeah.

[00:09:51]>> Yeah.

[00:09:52]>> I my whole career.

[00:09:54]>> What is going on in politics, in political media, every It's the influencerification of everything. It's oh me, I'm in the center. I mean, Candace Owens is has been doing that. Do >> you know what it's like?

[00:10:05]>> I I'm I I don't No. to have people say that's ridiculous that there are Iranian diaspora protesters on the street saying that Mamani is like the Ayatollah and saying that's ridiculous that someone would say that and then it turned out to be true and be and walk around with that scarlet letter of Sam Cedar and Emma Vigland said it was ridiculous the idea that there were protesters calling mom Donnie Uh, Ayatollah Kamei, do you have any idea what it's like?

[00:10:42]>> I don't know. I I can't empathize with her plight.

[00:10:45]>> Wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and regardless of all the good you see.

[00:10:50]>> It's cuz wokeness is blinding me to actually understanding and having >> over your head.

[00:10:54]>> I know Jillian knows a lot about empathy when she's screaming at people and giving them diet pills.

[00:11:02]>> Daddy, >> you don't remember when Tim P did this to you? You don't walk around carrying those espersions that he slung at you.

[00:11:10]>> No, I mean know I I I wear I choose to wear them as a badge of honor, but you know, I'm not maybe not as sensitive as Jillian.

[00:11:17]>> All of the mentality of conservatives is a grievement >> and it just takes forms in different ways.

[00:11:26]black people are uh you know getting all the um all the seialis ads or they're getting uh their you know >> straight from Nick to the politics.

[00:11:36]>> Yeah. Representation or whatnot. Yeah.

[00:11:39]Exactly.

[00:11:41]>> Uh or uh people are being mean to me or uh people are going around saying that I lied about there being a protester who said that Mam Donnie was uh the Ayatollah Kmeni. I mean it's just uh it's fascinating. Is the Ayatollah meant to be a communist?

[00:11:58]>> Yes. Apparently, the Ayatollah was also a fake had promised uh all sorts of free things.

[00:12:06]>> Oo.

[00:12:09]Okay.

[00:12:12]Um and I was like, well, how about we just talk about what the assertion itself and then she changed. I think uh I can't remember even what happened. And I at one point I just I just went to my happy place and didn't go there. Hey folks, don't forget to hit the subscribe button and check out our daily show. We do it every day at 12:00 p.m. Eastern for about 2 and a half hours. We even take phone calls.

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