July 21: Chicago Billionaire Buys the School Board Election & Can Mamdani Arrest Netanyahu?

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[00:00:49]Sorry guys. I just had an edible and hella uh hits on my vape, my weed vape, because my kids are going to stay at their at my mom's tonight, so I can party a little bit. Um, so yeah, if I'm weird, just let me be weird. And I love that no one's here yet, but I'm still giving this disclaimer. Okay. Uh, I want to tell you about school board drama.

[00:01:09]>> Oh, this is such good. You have the little chirons on the top like we're CNN now. It's so cool. It's like Jake Tap.

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[00:01:15]>> That's how I got a lot of views last time by doing like what's Yeah. Like >> Yeah. That's You're the That's what I'm saying. Bro, you have the You have You're gangsters move in silence. Meg doesn't talk.

[00:01:28]>> I talk a [ __ ] ton. But uh >> yeah, I am a gangster. Um Okay. But like for real, I want to tell you about the school board drama because you're going to feel how [ __ ] annoying it is in your soul. Are you ready? I'm ready to hear about it because Michael Saxs is the guy who's uh like a big Apac dude, right?

[00:01:50]>> Yeah. He Okay, so he funded the popup um elect Chicago women and like the progressive like those fake Apac shows.

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[00:02:01]>> Oh, no. This is not a story. Yeah, I'm listening. Keep going, though. I'm trying to make >> No, I'm going to let you do your story.

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[00:02:21]Yeah, let's just do the link tree. I got to make my link tree for party crashers, though. Except it has like my IMDb on it. Have you seen my IMDb?

[00:02:30]>> No, wait. I'm going to Google you. Let me I'm going to take the screen from you while you're doing that so I can >> look up your IMDb.

[00:02:37]>> Okay. IMDb Steve Tapus.

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[00:03:01]>> Say hello. What's up, Instagrams? Let's see. Okay, first of all, why don't you have a headsh shot on your IMDb page?

[00:03:11]>> Cuz it's $20 a month for that. Um, >> dude, that's my MDB. What do we got? We got Divergent.

[00:03:19]>> Yeah. So, tell us about your time.

[00:03:21]>> Yeah, tell >> us about your time on Divergent.

[00:03:24]>> Okay, so I got my job on Divergent when I got back from Spain. How How in-depth do you want to go into my origin story?

[00:03:32]I I you know I used to do standup comedy. So uh No, I got this job.

[00:03:37]>> No, do it. Do it because we can we can uh skip over school board. We can let's just do this and then uh >> we have to talk about Michael.

[00:03:46]>> We will. But Farah's going to come in at 2:45. So let's like enjoy your origin story. Then we'll get into that and then we'll see what we're in the mood to cover after. Farah.

[00:03:54]>> All right. Let me fix your Let me fix your screen so it looks better. Uh not that your screen looks bad. I just want to make sure that the viewers can see it. So, uh, >> you can make it wider.

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[00:04:12]>> Okay, so >> the diversity.

[00:04:16]>> Hold on. Hold on. We're going to start this segment over. Okay, we are going to look at Steve's IMDb page. Um, Stephen Chapis does not have a head shot or a photo here because it costs $20 a month.

[00:04:30]I'm going to ask somebody to go to his buy me a copy and subscribe. $20 a month to pay for this head shot >> for the I IBM DB Plus. Yeah. Um, >> just for that. Just for that. Okay. So, first tell us about Divergent. What do you want? I got um I got that job because uh a friend of mine was like you can get a job possibly on this movie that's filming in Chicago with Shayen Woodley who I didn't know who that was and Kate Winslett. So I basically went on a tour of Chicago Fire with that person and then met the production secretary. Shout out Felicia, she's the greatest. And I basically just called her once a week for six months asking her if there was any work. And then she basically told me like on the like last two weeks of the production, they're like, "We need people to break down boxes." So I was like, "Oh, I'll do that."

[00:05:25]>> And then I did it. And uh then I walked over to my next job and got a next job.

[00:05:32]Actually, that was a cool job. Divergent was cool because I got to meet the guy who is the producer of Gladiator that won the best picture. I [ __ ] love that movie.

[00:05:40]>> Best. That was the coolest guy. I met him and then he was like I was like, "Hey, I'm supposed to undo your I'm supposed to take out your trash." He's like, "I got it." And then somebody was like, "That was Doug Wick. He he was the producer of Gladiator." And I was like, "He didn't even take out his he didn't he made didn't even make me take out his trash. That guy's a hero." And uh >> that's so nice.

[00:06:01]>> I guess you can meet your heroes sometimes.

[00:06:03]>> Yeah. Meet just like Yeah, exactly. And so and then Kate Winslett was on that movie and she was cool. And uh the craziest thing I had to do though was uh Theo James, you know that like >> there was this thing that happened where um he was like >> he's like T-Mu James Franco.

[00:06:22]>> Yeah. I think he's hotter than James Franco.

[00:06:24]>> I think he is hotter, but he doesn't have the same like name, you know.

[00:06:28]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. He doesn't he doesn't So he never he probably doesn't know who I am. He definitely does not know who I am because I never met him. But I will tell him I will tell the story in the effort that he ever finds out about who I am because when he was on Divergent, it was like their last day.

[00:06:46]>> Tag him in the comments chat.

[00:06:47]>> Yeah, tag tag James if you know Theo James if you have a plug. Actually, I know somebody who's his neighbor, but um uh the uh a friend of a friend of the neighbor um but uh apparently like one day he was like on the last days of shooting Divergent and like he was like called the production office. He's like, "I really want a bottle of Malbeck and I need to get my guitar out of the Chicago Music Exchange and it closes at six o'clock and I'm going back home which was like somewhere in Europe tomorrow."

[00:07:22]So they're like, "Tapis, you're on it."

[00:07:24]And I'm like, "God damn it, bro." So I ended up, they're like, "Okay, like go get this bottle of wine." Which Malbeck is Argentinian for it means like bad. It means like in Spanish to it's like malbeck which is like bad taste like and it's because Argentinian wine was kind of a mix of all these bad wines and then they started making good wine so they owned it. But uh I knew that much about Malbec. So I'm like okay I got to go to the Argentina section after I get the guitar. So I showed up grabbed the guitar. I'm like all this traffic construction like weaving like got the guitar in the back that's in my like 96 Jetta or Camry. I get the mail back and then like show up and then I'm like, "Yeah, I'm here to give this to uh Theo whatever his name is and they're like, "Oh, that's all right. You can just give it >> Theo."

[00:08:12]>> No, Theo James. Yeah.

[00:08:14]>> Like, "You can just give it to me." And I was like, "Okay, perfect. I really don't this seems like this is going to be a lot." So, uh, yeah, that was kind of like I did a good job with that and then >> Good job.

[00:08:23]>> So, that was that was my time on Divergent. That was the best thing I did >> really.

[00:08:29]>> Yeah. Uh, yeah. And I mean like I did a lot of other stuff, but yeah, that was pretty.

[00:08:32]>> But that was your favorite your favorite like things.

[00:08:34]>> Yeah, that was kind of when I understood that being a pledge in a fraternity is like the single best thing for preparing for a job in movie production is is just knowing that when somebody tells you to do something, you just [ __ ] figure it out. That's like the whole >> And you can do that. You can like you know that lesson. You were never in fraternity. So it's it's pretty once you know that, you're good. So >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[00:08:58]Okay. Now, uh, you had 50 episodes on Chicago PD. How was that propaganda series for you?

[00:09:06]>> It was good. I met uh, uh, I had a lot of fun on that one. I'm still friends with a lot of people. They were going to be uh, a lot of people were uh, gonna, you know, be in my wedding that from that show. Um, >> and uh, the my good buddy Loyce, I started doing standup with him because I met him through the show and when I was a PA. And then I became the assistant to a fourtime Emmy-winning producer on that show for like 36 episodes which was or no for two or three seasons. But uh he was good. I learned a lot about like movies and TV and just like >> I learned a lot about life from that guy. He he's great. Um love him. Um and uh yeah, no that was great. And then it was also the time when I submitted a spec script to write for the show [laughter] and basically no one had the heart to be like, "You're really not good at writing drama." Except my old boss did tell me. He was like, "Tap is drama's not your bag, >> but I've seen you do standup and you're funny, so you should uh you should go do uh your own thing." [laughter] And I was like, "So don't move to LA and move work into the writer room is what you're saying." He's like, "Yeah, don't do that." And um so that was like 10 years ago. And um the funny thing is is that like the thing that like got everybody thinking that maybe I shouldn't be working in television is we we scouted uh we went all sorts of places. Like we filmed the Cook County Jail. We filmed but we filmed at uh we had to go scout Cook County. We filmed four pilots on that. Three pilots. So we filmed two pilots of Chicago Med, one pilot of Chicago Justice, which didn't get picked up. And then we had to but we had to we had to scout Cook County courthouse on 26 and Cal and I remember going into like a federal courtroom or whatever kind of courtroom it was and like we're all like talking and then I got into the witness stand and I did the monologue from a few good men that Jack Nicholson does. I was like you want the truth.

[00:11:06]It's like you can't handle the truth. He goes there's a part of you at cocktail parties that you don't like to talk about that makes you know that that you need men like me. You want men like me?

[00:11:18]It's like, "Did you order the code red on private Santiago?" I did what I had to do. Did you ORDER THE CODE RED?

[00:11:24]RIGHT. I DID.

[00:11:25]>> And then my my boss was like at the time, he's like, "Tapis, you need to get the [ __ ] out of here and go do comedy."

[00:11:31][laughter] And uh >> that's funny.

[00:11:36]>> It was really good. So then I ended up leaving uh after that season and uh that was a great decision. That was a great decision. Uh >> that's cool. And that's when I started getting cast and [ __ ] to do on the other side of the camera as you can see.

[00:11:50]>> Yeah. Okay. See, this year there was the Chicago Met episode. Should I watch this episode?

[00:11:55]>> Yeah. I mean, I'm in the cold open. It's >> green. Uh, you can see me. Uh, I'm actually, fun fact, is in uh I have I have three SAG parts. Two of which I am naked in. Uh, so two out of my three appearances in the Screen Actors Guild uh, productions that I've appeared in involve me not wearing my shirt. Um, actually I had to join.

[00:12:17]>> So that's like your niche.

[00:12:18]>> It is kind of my niche. In fact, there are there are three other roles that I on the internet where you can see me without my shirt on as well. Uh, and actually I had to call the SAG office because my buddy is shooting a movie that he didn't register with the Screen Actors Guild and my part involved me not wearing a shirt. And so he had to um he had to uh uh What's up everybody?

[00:12:41]There's 15 people in the chat and no one said hello. That's very hurtful. Say hello my little friend.

[00:12:46]>> So sad.

[00:12:47]>> Um but uh yeah. No, all of them involved me not wearing a shirt. But I had I had to be cut from that movie otherwise it would be I would be breaking the SAG agreement. Don't And then yeah, I did a short called Killer Set for my friends the Kidwells. That was SAG.

[00:13:02]>> Um love the Kidwells. I did Augmented, which was a weird short I did at the back of a Chinese restaurant that was like a thing. Uh I did Win It All with Jake Johnson and uh Nikki Excitement, who I still see at my local bar.

[00:13:17]>> Uh guy. Uh >> and then yeah, I did I've done a bunch of other [ __ ] but yeah, that's my short little trip down uh memory lane. That's >> Well, that's fun.

[00:13:29]>> I am a professional though, Meg. I am I've been putting this [ __ ] on my taxes for quite some time. [laughter] I have, you know, I'm not just a guy with a mustache. Okay. I've >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you just became a guy with a mustache. So, >> I just became a guy with a mustache, but I >> Yes.

[00:13:46]>> I've been self-actualizing for a decade now. [laughter] >> Okay. Do you want me to get into Michael Sachs or >> Yes. I want to know the Michael Sachs school board story because everything I know about Michael Sachs is basically that. Do you have resources for this or >> I have everything. Don't you worry, buddy. I'm going to pull up.

[00:14:06]>> Don't you worry about >> Okay.

[00:14:10]>> Hello from California, Fall Mason. Come join us on Twitch, YouTube, or Substack so we can um support ourselves in this endeavor.

[00:14:20]Um >> okay, first things first.

[00:14:25]Since 1872, Chicago school board has been appointed instead of elected.

[00:14:33]>> What?

[00:14:34]>> So, yes.

[00:14:36]>> Yes.

[00:14:37]>> Seriously.

[00:14:37]>> So, the last three the last 30 years since 1995, it was appointed specifically by the mayor. So, we've really never had a Democratic school board situation. Um, which makes sense. Moms for Liberty would hate that.

[00:14:53]>> They They would. No, they would love this. Um, so organizers have been fighting for 15 years to make it so that people can vote for school board races.

[00:15:05]Okay.

[00:15:06]Um, so then it finally passed and you can see here uh the governor signed it, Pritsker signed it, um, back in 2021 that beginning in It would be like a hybrid. So, beginning 2025, Chicago will have a 21 person school board and phase in elections for those seats. A change that would establish schoolboard elections for the first time in history. Okay. So, can you imagine how the billionaires feel if they no longer can just tell the mayor who they want on the school board or >> Yeah, because they're so hardcore pushing charter schools and [ __ ] They hate They hate They hate public education. That's like Reed Hawk like little pet project in Chicago is like roofing public schools.

[00:15:59]>> Yes. So, this came out in February.

[00:16:02]Apex, billionaires, and labor unions are gearing up for a Chicago school board race where contributions are expected to top the $13 million spent on the 2024 elections. And I can't read Oh, I could read it for free. God damn. But basically, like when people take their power, the ruling [ __ ] class says abso fuckingutely not. I will not let you democratically elect a school board and a school board president. So, Michael Sachs starts pouring tons of money into the schoolboard elections and CTU back in May then sent him a >> Chicago Teachers Union for the uninitiated.

[00:16:50]>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Chicago Teachers Union sent a letter and I'm not going to read the whole thing. I will summarize it though. Basically, it says that the Chicago school board fight over money is akin to Tennessee, which is when uh voting rights in Tennessee were, you know, basically dismantled this redistricting thing and the South, calling it all part of one democracy crisis. Her line, we shouldn't have Jim Crow decide elections in the South or billionaires decide them in the north.

[00:17:21]She also cites his uh op-ed he wrote back in March in the Tribune basically saying like there should be room in the Democratic tent for Apac and uh and and [snorts] how he invoked C the late CTu leader Karen Lewis has stated opposition to school closure support for progressive revenue and whatever. So on paper, she's saying, "Listen, I agree with you on these things, but in order to prove your values that you claim to have in that oped, please suspend further contributions to this race and stop funding fly by night operators to try to run the school board." Okay.

[00:18:01]So she says, "Let's have a private conversation so we can jointly spread this message together." Then she lists a ton of receipts saying, "These are all the packs you funded. This is when you funded a dark money pack for the March primaries. Um, and these are like she's just like given receipts receipts receipts on basically you need to stay out of this democracy is you know you you're interfering with democracy. And then she says, "We owe Chicago's voters a school board election that belongs to Chicago's voters, not Wall Street, not to the Silicon Valley, not to a constellation of shell committees that will move on to the next race the day after ours is decided." And she says that with Trump forecasting that he will end free and fair elections and send armed agents to the polls, Chicago's civic, labor, and philanthropic class should show restraint now rather than fight this battle with money.

[00:18:59]>> Okay.

[00:19:00]>> Yeah, I think that's a good I think that all sounds like a good I think that sounds like a good idea for uh for America. Um, >> Mhm. billionaires should stop [ __ ] getting involved if they claim to care about democracy. So, Saxs then fires back his own letter.

[00:19:19]Here's his letter. He says that this is the most transparently disingenuous outreach I have ever seen and that he has not even seen the letter yet, even though his 800 person even though her entire 800 person house of delegates have. He then said he then he then mainly tries to flatten the distinction that actually matters here.

[00:19:43]He says that no one spends more forcefully or creatively on politics than she does pointing to CTU's own packs and um the unions push for a dues increase to fund more political spending. But I think this is where the tell is in his own argument. This is such a [ __ ] narcissist because the power dynamic is so different and he is describing a system where teachers pull their own money to represent their own interests in the system that they work in. That is not the same thing as a [ __ ] billionaire with his investment banking money buying influence over a system he has no stake in. So they're like he's trying to say, "Look, we're both we're both doing, you know, we both have packs and [ __ ] Not the same." So CPS board president pick um is Ario Dominguez. CTU endorsed him and um he is currently like the the director of legislation or something for CT. So he does lobbying for CTU. Um, and he says that he is entirely unqualified to lead a system the size of CPS. He also criticizes that she previously welcomed a Brandon Johnson board appointee that he characterizes as disbarred and holding conspiracy views. He questioned her standing to police candidate quality.

[00:21:07]And then he says that citizen cynicism and weakness of her gambit genuinely escapes him. So, he's really trying to frame this as they are two equally self-interest interested spenders, but it's not the [ __ ] same because one half is a billionaire trying to make sure that he maintains control over a system now that it has finally gotten to the ch the point where people can elect their own.

[00:21:38]And uh yeah, so [ __ ] that guy. And then there's more. But what do do you want to jump in here before I get into the next the next part of this?

[00:21:47]>> Uh, hey, yes, Republicans hate public schools. That's right. And so do rich uh [ __ ] What's up, Chicago Bish?

[00:21:56]Welcome to the party. Yeah. Um, I've heard about Michael Sachs before because I know he's a huge Apac donor in Chicago based APAC donor. He like runs around with like a lot of like >> I mean he was Rahm Emanuel's biggest funer and closest adviser and when he was advising him Rahm Emanuel closed 50 Chicago public schools in mostly black and brown neighborhoods like >> that's that's I can't I can't well >> he's just a bad guy.

[00:22:23]>> He's not a good Yeah. He's not a good He's like all uh you know most people of means just >> he's like the Elon Musk of Chicago.

[00:22:31]>> Yes, that's a good branding. He is the Elon Musk of Chicago. He seems also very like whiny. Like he's like he's like not like Elon Musk in the sense that like Elon Musk like is like bombastic and attacks his enemies like as hard as they attack him. He's >> tries to be like look I'm just a nice little philanthropist billionaire.

[00:22:47]>> Yeah. He's just a little [ __ ] He's like he wrote that thing in the Chicago Tribune editorial board where he's like Apac isn't the enemy. It's like >> Yeah. Like why are you trying so hard to convince people that? Why would you have to do a like, [ __ ] the shut the [ __ ] up, dude.

[00:23:04]>> And like honestly, dude, like it would it would like you're it it wouldn't be the enemy if if Israel wasn't an apartate state committing a genocide.

[00:23:12]But it is. So therefore, it's the [ __ ] enemy. And also, >> well, anything that's trying to influence our elections undemocratically is an enemy. Whatever their cause is, that is undemocratic influence of election.

[00:23:24]>> That that was what I was going to also I was going to add that. Yeah, you're good good good clarification there. You are right. It is uh it is these guys are so like they're like it's it's they want their cake and they want to eat it too.

[00:23:37]It's like you get to have the kind of influence that a hero has on a movie, right? You have this insane out you have this insane amount of influence and money and power so that you can basically essentially shape the narrative however you want and you cry when people don't think that you're the main character. It's like, why are you guys, if you're joining us from YouTube and you haven't said hello, you're really hurting my feelings. Um, you're really hurting my feelings. I just want to hear from one Valent. If there are out there, say hello to your little friends. Um, the uh but like it's so funny how they like are um they are so they're just so like they get so wingy when they can't be the center of attention in a positive way. They're like, >> "Yeah, >> it's like >> or when they're called out for their [ __ ] because they're so used to their [ __ ] being normal that they don't think it's bullshit."

[00:24:34]>> Yeah, exactly. They don't understand.

[00:24:36]That's the thing that that was the mistake that Steve Jobs made. Like Steve, there's this great documentary about Steve Jobs called Al, it's by Alex Gibney. It's called The Man Behind the Machine. And it's basically about how Steve Jobs like was a sociopath. And so he created the iPhone in it's in his likeness of like he basically was like Steve Jobs didn't like people. So he wasn't thinking about people when he created the iPhone. He was thinking about Steve Jobs. And it shows and the thing that Steve Jobs never understood was that like if you give people this power you are going to you are democratizing the truth. And a lot of billionaires have done their best to try and democra to democratize the truth.

[00:25:16]But ultimately what we're beginning to see more and more often is that the truth comes through in the most unlikely places. Like no one would have thought that just like a good like Apac Instagram account would bring this to the forefront of the American discourse.

[00:25:34]If you're joining us on Tik Tok, join us somewhere else because we're going to get kicked off pretty soon. Um >> I'm like so hungry. I need to go grab a slice of pizza.

[00:25:42]>> Do it. But, uh, if you want to look at the the next, uh, CTu letter to him, how he is contesting like 27 of the people on the ballot. Uh, it's it's [ __ ] crazy. Here, let me send it to you and then I'm going to go order my pizza really quick.

[00:26:00]>> Do it. Do it. Do it. Yo, chat, say hello. Say hello. Say hello. Tell me you love me, baby. Telly Sales, Marky C. All right, Steve. I'm gonna need my War Zone partner back. This man Steve used to run lobbies. Marky Mark, dude, I'm about to purchase the uh Xbox. Dude, I'm getting No, I'm getting the PS5 back, dude. It's coming back, man. I'm going need I'm gonna need to run some lobbies, dude.

[00:26:23]We're going to need to go if we're going to be streaming, Mark. Dude, my War Zone game used to be so good. And then I turned 37 and I thought that I got too old for video games and backwards hats.

[00:26:35]But I'm coming back into my own. And I've realized that my superpower is never abandoning the inner child in me.

[00:26:42]It's also my greatest weakness. But um we can I can play video games. I can play video games. It's totally acceptable. I just can't play them all day because I would get addicted to them. Um it's like everything really. I would get addicted to streaming if I could. Uh but you know, I can't. So it is my full-time job now. And if you are able to uh contribute on Twitch or YouTube or Tik Tok, that would be fantastic. I uh I uh me, you know, me and me got a lot of other stuff going on. But uh this is my full-time job.

[00:27:17]That's why I do it every day, rain or shine, except weekends. But now I think I might be going on weekends, too, folks. I uh I grew a mustache.

[00:27:27]I grew a mustache. So, I have a lot more free time on my hands now. This mustache has opened up a lot of doors. Um, one day me and Mag are going to talk about toxic tech startups. So, I think her and I have enough shared history in that uh in that agreement that uh we're going to uh we're going to talk about that one day. Me, would that be cool? Well, she's warming up pizza right now, but she I don't know if she can hear me or not.

[00:27:52]What's up, Baso? Free Palestine, baby.

[00:27:56]uh for you. Um yes, I used to work for Apple. I worked for Apple for five years and I think my non-disparagement agreement is void because my COBRA never ended up coming through and I have a lot of [ __ ] to say about them. So, I'd be happy to talk about it sometime.

[00:28:11]>> Good. I don't have an NDA with uh my former employer, but uh >> Oh, yeah.

[00:28:16]>> I have I have there are a couple things that um they will come to light. Um, so, >> um, just just everybody don't ever just we're going to have Farah on here in a minute. She's our Wonder Lawyer. Oh, I do want to talk about uh, well, we we have to talk about something else. But, uh, the Aras, we have to talk about the Aras plot line eventually. Um, let's do a quick little news round up. that Michael Sachs segment though, dude.

[00:28:45]That's why you're great, Mag, because you got like all these little like Easter egg little stories that are really important, but they're like very like small and like Michael Sachs is probably like oo I can be under the radar, but you're like >> and I'm like bet.

[00:28:59]>> Exactly. Yeah. All right, [ __ ] Uh, >> not on my watch. [laughter] >> Not on my watch. And then you're like, who is this person? [laughter] >> My husband calls me Batman. Like I quietly worked in the night just seeking justice.

[00:29:13]>> That [laughter] that that's what he calls you. That's hilarious. Yeah, you are kind of like that. That's how that's how we met. Mag was just like, "Hey, you want to get on some uh adventures?" And I was like, "Yeah, sure. Why not?" I'm like the only guy >> need extras.

[00:29:26]>> Yeah, that was like the I was like the only guy dumb enough to to I mean I think I was brilliant to say yes and to me because I was just like >> a lot of people do say yes to me actually.

[00:29:37]>> Yeah. I was I was like, I'm gonna go down some weird rabbit holes, but it'll be fun. And uh >> Hey, how's it been?

[00:29:43]>> Yeah, dude. Life changing. Life [laughter] changing. It has completely made me embrace my uh in my pirate. Oh, I have to show you the new uh Speaking of [sighs] >> I don't know where he went, chat. And I'm high, so I'm not as good at being like interactive. And he's a stand-up comedian, so he can just talk and talk and talk. I can't really do that. I'm very autistic and so I need social feedback.

[00:30:16]>> It's James Connelly. He died in the Easter Rising of 1916.

[00:30:21]>> Oh, wow. That's >> And it says here, it says, "The Irishman frees himself from slavery when he realizes the truth that the capitalist system is the most foreign thing in Ireland."

[00:30:32]>> Hell to the Yeah. Don't ever forget if Don't ever forget the Easter Rising was risen by poets and journalists that was taken over. They created the they public nod and on the >> US on the post office doorstep. It was just a bunch of mukes. Dude, don't forget that mukes can change the course of history. And James Connelly, he stood 10 toes down on business. Uh >> nice.

[00:30:59]>> But um yeah. No. So [laughter] Oh yeah.

[00:31:03]Haley Stevens. Cool. Uh I love how Haley Stevens says that um she's like part of the Obama rescue auto rescue, but it's like >> it's all she has >> if it worked. But yeah, no, but it's such a bad achievement because if it worked, she wouldn't then like the auto was rescued, right? She >> my huge ass luminadis.

[00:31:22]>> That's good. I like I like lose. It's a good uh It's a good divorce dad slice.

[00:31:28]Uh, I'm I'm going to have [laughter] to get That's a good divorce dad slice because, you know, divorced dad snack slice, anything like that. It's basically anything with junk food that has like a lot of something in it. So, you can say there's a lot of protein here, but you still gain like 30 pounds.

[00:31:43]It's like snicker >> cheese that I consider this my protein.

[00:31:47]>> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That's that's that's that's what's up. That's >> the tomatoes are my vegetables.

[00:31:52]>> We have a new segment on the show called Divorced Dad uh Theater. We talk about divorced dad uh projects and uh different cinema of the divorced dad and uh actually uh my friend Jeff he runs an initiative called good fathers and it's just about men like embracing their like being like wanting to be good dads and being emotionally intelligent dads and like showing up for their kids in like positive healthy ways. So it's cool.

[00:32:20]>> So and he's my he's my best friend and he's really funny. He used to be >> he's a comedian. He's in our He's in our group chat now. Uh so it's cool. Uh >> hell yeah.

[00:32:29]>> He's my trusted adviser, my coniglier, if you will. Um also, we're going to be doing live shows soon. Anyways, there's so much to be talking about, but right now we need to talk about um map showing high heat temperatures in Europe. I love >> Oh, Jesus.

[00:32:46]>> Global warming.

[00:32:47]>> It's so crazy that people don't think it's real. Um because this looks hot to me, right? I mean, that looks hot. I I I don't I don't know if I can see. Okay, so this is this is in uh Fahrenheit. So, Madrid is 36 degrees Fahrenheit. So, 1.8 is uh >> you mean?

[00:33:06]>> Yeah, Celsius. So, 36 Celsius. I used to live in Granada, which is down here, like right down here. If you look at the Spanish map of Spain, it's the pomegranate at the bottom of the map.

[00:33:16]It's right by uh Oh, wait. Can you see the You can't see Spain, I think, right now based on where I have it.

[00:33:21]>> No, I can't. Oh, it's too bad. Um, I'm so sorry.

[00:33:25]>> Well, here, let me look. Let me pull up a Spain thing here. Uh, Spain temperature. Spain just won the World Cup, which is actually kind of perfect.

[00:33:33]So, um, okay.

[00:33:36]Um, damn, I was going to guess the temperature. So, it's 101 degrees in Spain, severe temperature. Um, let's look at uh, El Pais. That's their newspaper.

[00:33:50]Um, this is a good newspaper. There's another one that's like kind of more fashy, but um Okay.

[00:34:17]Um, sorry. I just like to keep >> No. Um, but I have to go get my little back back massage hook thingy cuz >> All right. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.

[00:34:26]Uh, so yeah, we're looking at uh Spanish newspaper. Spain had a pretty big World Cup. Um, love Spain, everybody. Big big Spain for fan. Uh, I used to live in Spain. And I lived in Granada. [ __ ] That's what I guess. That's like 101 degrees. That's right. Chicago Bish.

[00:34:44]That's because you're a woman of culture and scholarship and class.

[00:34:50]You can't buy class as Chicago Bish knows. And Me knows >> because I sit here in my like my back massaging hook.

[00:34:58]>> If you could buy class, there would be so many more classy people than purport to be classy. Um, yeah. Chicago Bish.

[00:35:05]Um, so when I lived in Spain, I'm glad that they won the World Cup. It's cool.

[00:35:11]Uh, when I lived in Spain, Spain is like very like they have a lot of like fascist and anti-fascist history. Um, Francisco Franco was the uh, dictator of Spain. He was the longest fascist in power ever. Um, and um, he died in I think 1979.

[00:35:33]And uh, this is Franco. And uh he died in 1975. He was a Spanish military general, dictator of Spain from 1939 till 1975.

[00:35:42]He was this is crazy. So in 1936 the civil war broke out. A lot of Americans went and fought for the communists, believe it or not, like Ernest Hemingway, a lot of those guys went and fought for the socialists in Spain and the Russians backed them. And then basically in 1939 they lost. And then Franco took over. He basically committed a ton of war crimes. If you've ever seen the painting Garica by Picasso. Um, probably the best painting I've ever seen in person. It's in Lena Sophia Museum in Madrid. And it is a 1937 painting which characterizes the firebombing of Well, that's a print.

[00:36:28]It's huge. IRL. Um it's um here we go. This is it. It's huge. Takes up like the whole wall. And it's about how Franco killed a whole entire town of people in Garner. And uh basically he spent like his entire reign trying to get rid of different nationalities in Spain. Um, one of the cool reasons that it relates to soccer, football as they call it in Spain is because um, there was uh, Real Madrid obviously was Franco's team. Then there's like Atletico Madrid, which Javier Bardm likes them and Javier Bardm was his family was very much part of the good guys in the Spanish Civil War. I think his family has a history of like social justice in Spain. And uh but the cool thing is is that specifically Barcelona that is why Barcelona is my team. Not just because they have the best players but because Camp New which is their stadium was one of the few places in Spain where Catalan people could speak Catalan freely. It's one of the main reasons why the Catholan the Catalunian uh cultural identity survived during Franco's period was because people in Spanish soccer fans uh uh Barcelona fans could go to the stadium during games and talk and speak Cataloonian and uh yeah there's a whole fraught history of uh sports and uh fascism like especially FIFA has very been very supportive of fascism throughout the years.

[00:38:11]>> Um, obviously they allowed uh Chile to uh basically commit human rights abuses in their stadium.

[00:38:20]>> Uh, but um, yeah. No, it's it's cool to see Spain win because like the crazy thing about Spain is that like when I lived there in 2011, there was two general strikes and there were women who would come out get on the bus in Granada and they would cross themselves every time they pass the Catholic Church, which is what the Franco fascists would make them do.

[00:38:42]>> And there was still like Franco statues in Granada that were like honoring the fascists and like they didn't like take them down or anything. It's pretty crazy how long it stayed in place. Sorry if this isn't interesting, but um >> I'm just high, so I'm like trying to, you know.

[00:39:01]>> Oh, okay. Okay. Cool, cool, cool, cool.

[00:39:03]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:39:03]>> Um but um yeah. And then so in 1979, uh the generals tried to do a coup, but then the the king of Spain at the time, who recently died, I think his name was King Carlos, he like shut him. He he called the generals and he's like, "Y'all need to knock it off. We just got out of a dictatorship. like the people are tired of this [ __ ] We're doing representative democracy. And then in 2011, the other crazy thing that happened was ETA, which was kind of like the IRA for Basque Country, they disarmed for the first time. And like they didn't disarm until 2011 and it was like on the front page of El Pais. It was like ETA has finally disarmed permanently.

[00:39:43]>> They had >> I think they were the last paramilitary force other than the FARC, which was a Fua Armadas Revolarios Colombianos in Colombia, they were the last FARC was the last one to disarm, but Eta in Spain, Basque Country, that was they were the last ones to disarm. Um, and yeah, it's it's pretty crazy. Uh, >> damn, >> it's a pretty crazy country. It's very interesting.

[00:40:13]>> It is a really interesting country. I mean, the history is uh all of the empires that have kind of I don't know, it's just been such like a different different uh imperial movements and migrations and you know, colonialism and all the things that continue to happen throughout time.

[00:40:32]>> Um I'm wondering if I should start just queuing up the story about Netanyahu. Um please while we wait for Farah. Okay.

[00:40:41]>> Yeah. And then I can keep talking about Argentina now because I have a whole other Argentina presentation. So um Argentina is interesting because of the Argentina in 1985 they had a military hunter. This is a good movie that I just watched. Not a divorced dad classic. Uh could be eventually one day. Uh Ricardo Darin is in the movie uh Quaton Renas which is called Four Queens. It's one of the best heist movies of all time. 1999, great movie. Um, but uh the 1985 Argentina is about the uh pursuit of justice for uh the military hunter that disappeared desparidos. Uh and I actually went there with uh uh I went there a couple years ago. Uh and there's a great museum uh about it. Um, and uh it's about it was during the Argentinian dirty war uh which is actually very very uh similar to how the Trump uh administration is prosecuting their war against uh US and protesters and things like that. It's pretty scary because from 1976 to 1983 um the Argentinian government basically took dissident and subversives and disappeared them. Um um Ava Peron was uh Isabel Ava Peron uh was ousted in 1976 and they began a campaign to crush descent from their autocratic rule. Uh and then they proceeded to remove people that were social workers, social work students, militants, trade unionists, writers, journalists, artists, and anyone suspected of being a left-wing activist. They were kidnapped, tortured, murdered. Bodies were disappeared by the government. Um, it all took place in this like naval base.

[00:42:39]It was kind of like this, it was had this very benal name, very innocuous.

[00:42:43]Uh, and, uh, this is part of the reason why it's so important that everybody is all hands 10 toes down about anybody who is being mistreated by the Trump administration because a lot of this is already happening. And um there were 30,000 people that ultimately were being uh that were disappeared. Um and there were a lot of like horrible horrible uh prison camps and concentration camps that took place in Argentina.

[00:43:13]And um eventually what happened was uh the Argentinian people stood up on business. What's up? Um, and um, I'm trying to find Los uh, Mayo Sisters Sisters Argentina.

[00:43:33]Uh, eventually what happened was it was actually the mothers of the Plaza del Mayo that were an Argentinian human rights organization that uh, formed in the response to the military dictatorship.

[00:43:45]Uh, and they worked to find the disappeared people. Uh, and they uh, it really makes me I'm going to start to cry a little bit because it was really just uh, in 1977 they uh, [snorts] they uh, it was just a bunch of old ladies. Uh, like my grandmother would have done this. Um, [snorts] and uh, they just got together and were like enough is enough. And um [snorts] they uh uh they rose awareness and um they helped uh create a uh [snorts] uh they created a march of resistance that was held uh and it was mostly just women. And then um they uh really fought uh hard for the trial of the Hunas in 1985, which is what that movie is about.

[00:44:34]Uh Argentina 1985. And these were the [ __ ] that disappeared, all of those people, the generals.

[00:44:40]>> Yeah.

[00:44:41]>> Um, so yeah, I mean, a lot of people have been rightfully um tough on the Argentinian soccer fans that have been racist. Uh, but Argentina has a strong, proud history of human rights and uh uh fighting back against uh this these kind of [ __ ] in ways that we're going to have to learn how because if we don't uh we're going to be doing trials. I mean, we're gonna have to do trials anyways, but uh >> Well, [snorts] on that note, >> oh, is here >> is here. Far is here and we're gonna talk about Netanyahu. Um, do you have I'll share my screen. I'll take over.

[00:45:16]>> Hello.

[00:45:16]>> Hi, Far. I was just getting emotional about the uh Argentina military hunter.

[00:45:21]Oops.

[00:45:21]>> I mean, for good reason. It was a horrible like time period.

[00:45:26]>> Yeah, it was bad. And um it was kind of we were talking about the sisters of the Plaza de Mayo, >> those old ladies who were like, "No."

[00:45:35]>> Yeah.

[00:45:35]>> And so it was good. Welcome back to the show.

[00:45:39]>> Thank you so much for having me back.

[00:45:41]>> How have you been?

[00:45:43]>> You know, hanging in there. Feels like the world's on fire and we're all just like standing in the smallest crawl space we can find. That >> for real. Now, have you seen the movie Argentina in 1985? You know, I think I have. I think I actually watched it in a Spanish class back in high school.

[00:46:01]>> Dang, you are uh Wait, no way. When did that movie come out? I feel like it's 2024. Am I that old?

[00:46:09]>> Oh, well, no. Then then I didn't. I know. I learned about Argentina. There was a similar movie I watched, but if it came out in 2024, that was definitely not high school for me. That wasn't even law school for me.

[00:46:21]>> Okay. Okay, good. So, I'm not like Okay, cool. Well, uh, Farah, is it Farah or F?

[00:46:29]>> Farah.

[00:46:29]>> Farah. Okay. Uh, Far, tell us about BB.

[00:46:35]>> You queue it up.

[00:46:36]>> Oh, yeah. You queue it up.

[00:46:37]>> Queue it up.

[00:46:37]>> I'm going to show.

[00:46:38]>> Okay. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Okay.

[00:46:43]Okay. So first of all, ICC warrant was issued on November 21st, 2024 to Benjamin Netanyahu for the charges of responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population and the crimes against humanity, of murder, persecution, and other humane acts from at least the 8th of October, 2023 until at least um the 20th of May 2024. So, he has warrants out for his arrest in the criminal court. Now, the Trump administration has vowed to disable the International Criminal Court. Um, they Yeah. So, like that's a whole thing now because they just don't want the ICC to have any say in the United States and whether or not it is committing war crimes or enabling war crimes or any sort of accountability. Now, Mumdani has always said that if Netanyahu comes to New York City, he will um arrest him. So now, this was just yesterday.

[00:47:53]Here is mom. Oh, I think I forgot to put sound on. So, hold on. Let me reshare.

[00:47:57]One second. Share screen. Share window.

[00:48:02]Is that just going to work? There was no option for me to uh Okay. Well, I guess it will just work. Okay. So, I'm going to play it. Tell me if you can't hear it, though, because I did not give me the option to share sound.

[00:48:18]>> No, we can't hear it. Let me send me the link. I'll play it on mine.

[00:48:21]>> Okay.

[00:48:23]>> Okay. Sending the link.

[00:48:26]>> But, but just to say, Mom Donnie has for sure promised this. He has double triple promised on this. So, uh, let me put this to the stage and then remove this.

[00:48:38]Oh, Jim Kramer was on stage. That's horrible. Uh, if any, just as a little side note, if Jim Kramer ever tells you to buy a stock, sell it.

[00:48:46]>> If someone is charged with a warrant for by the International Criminal Court for these kinds of crimes, that's something I believe that should be honored.

[00:48:52]>> Mayor Zoram Amdani continues to consider his legal options when it comes to arresting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for alleged war crimes. Mani doubled down on his criticism of the world leader on Monday amid questions about whether he would try to arrest him.

[00:49:07]>> We're speaking about someone who's the subject of an international criminal court arrest warrant and he's the subject of this arrest warrant for alleged crimes against humanity um for war [clears throat] crimes and he's the architect of the genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. These are not facts of my personal assessment. They are facts of public record. It was in an interview with the New York Times over the weekend that the mayor said he was in active conversation with the city's law department on whether he could direct the police department to arrest Netanyahu. The Israeli prime minister is expected to attend the United Nations General Assembly in September, but President Donald Trump has already stepped in to quell the effort. In a truth social post, Trump said in part that Netanyahu [clears throat] will not be arrested in any way, shape, or form while in the United States of America. The only ones that should be arrested are the people that led Iran into this unprecedented spiral of death and destruction. Something that should have been dealt with years ago by previous presidents. Experts told New York One Mani likely has no >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. But it sounds like Trump kind of agreed uh with him because I'm pretty sure that uh didn't he uh >> he Yeah, like he didn't say anything about whether or not Netanyahu committed war crimes. He just like completely deflected onto Iran. Uh >> oh, you're muted. Sorry. I was like, yeah, I was like, okay, if you are saying the person who should be arrested is the person who led Iran into a destructive war, I mean, we're on the same page here. Netanyahu arrested.

[00:50:34]>> Yeah. [laughter] See, that's what's up. That's what's up.

[00:50:37]This is They agree. It should be Netanyahu.

[00:50:39]>> Never thought I would agree with Donald Trump on something. Here we are.

[00:50:43]>> Legal authority to arrest Netanyahu.

[00:50:45]Rebecca Ingber, a professor of law at the Cardoza School of Law told New York 1 in a statement that Netanyahu has state immunity which shields sitting heads of state and government from criminal jurisdiction. She noted that as a member of the UN, he also is protected while in the city for the general assembly.

[00:51:01]>> It's completely detached from reality and it goes against everything the United Nations really stands for, bringing people together. Jonathan Harrenoff, Israel's former international spokesperson at the United Nations, told New York One that Mam Donnie statements are political theater amid legal president not allowing the arrest.

[00:51:17]Haronov said that the general assembly is about world leaders coming together to solve international problems and not about Mandani's issues with Netanyahu.

[00:51:25]>> But ultimately, I think the mayor should stay in his lane. There are plenty of problems, domestic issues that the mayor of New York City should be focused on.

[00:51:34]Mandani seemed to acknowledge that other laws may keep him from following up on his efforts.

[00:51:38]>> My administration will follow all applicable local laws. That is our commitment. That is something that we will follow through on.

[00:51:46]>> Kelly Mena, New York 1.

[00:51:49]>> Okay. Well, it's good thing if we knew any lawyers, this would this [laughter] would be super helpful. Do you know anybody, Meg?

[00:51:58]>> Oh, yeah. My girl Far. Uh, I asked her to come here cuz what the [ __ ] Like, can we I'm a lawyer. Oh, shoot.

[00:52:06]>> Oh, >> didn't realize >> she just did the Odysius thing. I am nobody. [clears throat] >> That's good. Uh, Far, you're a lawyer.

[00:52:14]Tell us tell us your CV like real quick.

[00:52:17]Like, what's your specialty? Like, what kind of law do you practice? Tell us about the org just real quick so that we everybody knows your bonafides. I trust you though. One. [laughter] >> Well, thank you. And honestly, if I say my CV, I don't know if everyone will trust me. Um, but they should hopefully I think.

[00:52:37]My name is Far Chalisa. I'm an international human rights attorney in Chicago and my practice has looked kind of um, especially in the last couple of years like a mixture of all sorts of things. Um, I like to think of myself as almost like um, emergency legal relief sometimes. Like it's like whatever whatever people need who are so like the people I represent are usually the ones who are the most vulnerable in society or um I much to my you know parents dislike like taking on the cases that um nobody else wants to take on because they're too risky or um they you know go against traditional institutions. I'm like what it puts me at risk? Bring it on. [laughter] Um, but usually it's because, you know, >> you're a real one, Far, >> thank you. Thank you. I actually got a call from jail today. Um, a random person had looked me up and he was like I was like at the end of the call like, "How did how did you find me?" Like, "What what made you reach out to me?" He has like an innocence claim for murder.

[00:53:49]He's been in prison since like 07 for it. He was like, "Yeah, I was just trying to look up like attorneys um who seem like they don't really trust the system and like that's how I came across you." And I was like, "Lowkey, that's pretty awesome." Like, if that's my rep, like if that's the vibe you're getting from me, like I'm into it, you know?

[00:54:09]>> That's pretty cool.

[00:54:10]>> That's pretty badass. That's >> There's no such thing as halfway crooks on the SEO. Like, you're you're that's that's good [ __ ] That's good [ __ ] That is That is like the best. That is Damn.

[00:54:20]Okay, that's cool.

[00:54:21]>> Yeah. I was like, "Thanks for the compliment." Like, you know, flattery will work cuz now I do want to take on your case. [laughter] >> So, >> um, but yeah, so I practice international human rights work. Um, that's involved and a lot of it is focused on Palestine, on the Iran, on the US's illegal actions in Iran, the US complicity and the genocide in Palestine and the attacks in Lebanon. um as well as um you know representing American citizens um Palestinian Americans who have been affected by um the genocide and and then you know doing victim's rights representation, civil rights um representation here domestically, whether that be um representing victims of hate crimes um or you know bringing claims against ICE in the US government.

[00:55:14]So really, it's like I I like to take on um state actors or those who abuse their power um and represent, you know, the victims of that abuse.

[00:55:27]>> That's incredible. So the the comedian's code of conduct is uh comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

[00:55:36]>> Love it. And it sounds like I mean technically that phrase comes from a sat satirical column in the Chicago Tribune from the turn of the 19th century. But uh the guy was making fun of the fact that newspapers don't do that. But uh I've kind of co-opted it. It sounds like you're doing a lot of that comforting.

[00:55:56]>> No, I like it. It reminds me of my Instagram bio actually. It's liberating the oppressed and litigating the oppressor.

[00:56:02]>> Dang. That's what's up, man. [laughter] >> Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Law school is still cool. All right. All right. Let's do it. All right. So, uh, now that we got an idea of the Sorry, Mag, keep going. My bad. I'm just getting excited.

[00:56:16]>> No, no, no. You're good. So, yeah. Uh, can Mdani like tell us tell us about the jurisdiction issues. Tell us about the Roman statue. Tell us like all of the things that we could not get from this segment.

[00:56:28]>> Yeah. So, I have been researching this topic for a long time. Um and specifically the topic of like can US domestic courts hold um individuals responsible for the genocide in Palestine um legally accountable. Um, and that's looked like, you know, a lot of the work has centered on Americans who go to the IDF, um, who join the IDF and commit war crimes and then come back here and live perfectly comfortable lives, um, you know, in the shadows of the ghosts of everybody that they've killed and maimed and tortured and um, and so it's uh, that's something I've looked into a lot. And with Nathan Yahoo, of course, it does become more complicated. Like a lot of what was mentioned in that video is true. Um, and I don't want to sidestep that, you know, like yes, um, head of state immunity is an issue. UN headquarters immunity is an issue. Um, UN General Assembly immunity is an issue, but they're not insurmountable issues. And international law has seen immunity be um has seen immunity be overrided when [clears throat] the crimes are so severe that they are crimes against humanity, war crimes, genocide, slavery. Those are examples where international law has actually allowed um head of state immunity and UN immunity to be overridden.

[00:57:58]>> I'm [clears throat] raising my hand.

[00:57:59]>> Steve, >> quick quick question. Can you give some examples in recent history where the uh UN jurisdictional the the immunity was superseded by crimes against humanity?

[00:58:11]>> Yeah, actually there's um a case that's use of first cementer. It was a fourth circuit crime. It was a fourth circuit case um in in the US. And that one actually literally the ruling was that um what's called use kans which is um kind of like which is that stands for customary international law um v and and use kogans stand for like the worst crimes in international law aka again genocide slavery slavery war crimes um so that case you manter it literally ruled that use kogan's violations strip official So you make immunity.

[00:58:54]>> Um, >> wait, so there's case law that supports the the the the predicate for I don't know if I use the word predicate correctly, but there's case law that supports the idea of rescending the immunity that they're claiming Netanyahu's entitled to. There is there's quite a lot actually >> US case law and in fact there's actually like second circuit case law which is you know if uh if Mamani was to arrest Nathaniel and if he was to be charged it would be in the second circuit. Um and and another example is this case Kadic vers Karedzik um where you know a state uh official like a head of state um came to a UN conference and um he was served with process for a lawsuit brought against him while he was at the UN conference. And so of course he asserted um head of state immunity and said you know I can't be held liable for a crime which means I can't be served with process for a US court. And the courts actually uh said he was eligible to be served and that um that courts do have jurisdiction over a foreign leader in New York when it comes to genocide and war crimes.

[01:00:09]>> Which uh which which uh country was that guy? Was that from the former Yugoslavia or something? I believe it was um I want to say Serbia, but >> that Yeah, that sounds like one of Slavadan Mallosvich's dudes.

[01:00:23]>> Yeah.

[01:00:24]>> Or or you know the Croatians or the Bosnians or >> Serbia? Yes. He was president of Bosnian Serbian Republic.

[01:00:32]>> Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. That's that's What are you doing, Catherine?

[01:00:36]>> That's fascinating. That's good. I cannot find this information anywhere.

[01:00:40]Well, [snorts] so I think I think it is and like none of these are exact precedents, right? But and a lot of it involves like foreign leaders or leaders of countries that like we don't have an allyship with the way that for reasons I will never understand we do with Israel.

[01:00:58]But that being said, like that's where you have to get creative, you know, is um there in that New York Times interview, Mumani said, you know, we will not be writing new laws. And I think like by no means should he write new laws, but I think there are a lot of existing domestic laws >> that, you know, applied strategically and creatively would allow him to um arrest Netanyahu. And and and actually one that really stands out to me is so there's this domestic statute. It's USC 3041.

[01:01:34]Mhm.

[01:01:35]>> And so that statute's entire purpose is is to say if somebody has committed a federal offense of the United States, whether that be, you know, a foreign even if it's a foreign actor.

[01:01:52]>> Yeah.

[01:01:53]>> So, so let me say that again. If somebody um commits a federal offense against somebody in the United States, even if that person is a foreign actor, >> there it lists basically a number of people um and roles who are allowed to authorize arrest of that individual.

[01:02:18]>> Interesting.

[01:02:19]>> And mayor of a city is specifically listed there. So, any city or New York City?

[01:02:26]>> Any city. So this is a federal statute.

[01:02:28]So So essentially to say it like less complicatedly, federal statute lists mayor of a city alongside federal judges and other political officials as official authorities that can arrest somebody for a federal offense.

[01:02:45]>> And correct me if I'm wrong, quick followup here. like we we obviously know about like colonialism, imperialism, things like that. And I feel like there has also been especially with respect to like Iran and Hezbollah and Lebanon, like there has been precedent of US uh trials taking place against foreign or like charges being brought. Am I crazy about this? like the Lockerbe bombing and like the embassy bombings in 1981 in Beirut. Like wasn't there an attempt to bring those perpetrators to justice?

[01:03:23]>> Yes, there have been. And in fact, um recently, so the Justice for Victims of War Crimes Act, um Biden revamped it.

[01:03:32]So, I believe it was uh I want to say 2022 or 2024 in which um it was updated that actually allowed for more accountability and and guess the first case it was brought against were members of Hamas.

[01:03:48]Um, and it's like there's no reason why like I mean a head of state of course it gets more complicated but again like Americans or even non-Americans but like IDF paramilitary members why >> the crimes he's committed against Americans he ordered the hit on the GSF veterans not it wasn't the veterans boat but there were veterans on the boat and it was reported by CBS like it was reported that he called for the hit of There are crimes he has committed against Americans that why why can't we put out a warrant out for those?

[01:04:24]>> Kids in the settlements that were killed. There were American from Florida. What was his name? He was 16 years old. He was Seth. I think about him every day. Um like one way or another I'm determined to, you know, >> to hold >> those responsible for his murder accountable. It's just horrific. It's just horrific. a US kid from Florida.

[01:04:49]Like, you know, his last conversation with his dad was about how he was excited because he wanted to start looking for a wife to get married.

[01:04:56]>> Like, >> that's sweet kid. My best friends growing up were Palestinian >> and they used to go to they used to go home all the every summer they would go to they would fly to um and so it could have just as easily happened to any of my friends growing up. It's like >> it's really really infuriating when this the law is designed to hold people accountable but it it's selectively viewed it selectively views people as less than in the eyes of the law and the mechanism by which they hold people who are supposedly the quote unquote you know it it holds one side far more accountable than the other and it because that's not the mechanism by well I'm not going to tell you far it's just in my opinion as a lay person. The law is like comedy. It's objective. It's supposed to be objective. It's either funny or it isn't. It's either not.

[01:05:50]>> It's Yeah. Well, I mean, but comedy is far more objective than the law because either you laugh at that [ __ ] or you don't. But like the law should strive to be like comedy, not funny, just objective, you know?

[01:06:00]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:06:01]>> Yeah. I I'm with you. I mean, so to like basically lay it out, um, you have so essentially like what I what I think is like Mumdani's speeches, they're focused a lot on the ICC warrant.

[01:06:17]>> And I mean, he's not wrong. And in any other administration, the ICC warrant should be enough for a mayor of a city or any official to arrest. Heck, it should be enough for a citizen's arrest of Netanyahu, >> you know, but um in this administration that is hellbent on dismantling the ICC and has literally, you know, given the ICC zero leeway and in fact has sanctioned the ICC.

[01:06:45]>> Well, Democrats have sanctioned it, too.

[01:06:47]Haley Stevens, >> you're so right. When I say administration, I mean everyone in power. I I shouldn't refer.

[01:06:53]>> Sorry, I didn't mean to I didn't mean to mansplain or like interrupt.

[01:06:56]>> No, no, you're right. It's an important distinction because yeah, it's Democrats and Republicans alike involved in in you know sanctioning the ICC and um allowing Israel to commit human rights abuses without with impunity. Um so so it's like the ICC's warrant though it should be will not be taken seriously here you know >> but I think what we often miss in this conversation is we don't even necessarily need the ICC warrant. The ICC warrant isn't the method. It's actually the evidence. You know, it's another piece of all of the amount of evidence, whether it be human rights reports from Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch or like you said, news reports from CNN and CBS. I mean, we have like firstperson testimony of people who have been there and and you know, been victims of of uh war crimes firsthand here in the United States. US citizens and New Yorkers, right? There are literally New Yorkers who have lost family members, who were tortured themselves, who, you know, have faced the consequences of an aparthide and genocidal state and who are US citizens.

[01:08:13]Um, we have domestic statutes that can be applied and they may not have ever been applied in this specific context.

[01:08:20]That doesn't mean they can't be.

[01:08:23]>> You know, I mean, that's the whole point of, you know, legal application of law.

[01:08:27]What's the point of a law that you just never use or apply? So you have 3041 which is a domestic statute which says mayor of the city can authorize his police department to arrest Netanyahu if he committed a federal offense. So then you ask what are the federal offenses and there are I mean so many but two statutes come to mind. One is a genocide accountability act and the genocide accountability act specifically says in its text that jurisdiction it gives US courts jurisdiction over genocide committed anywhere in the world when the alleged perpetrator is in the United States and there is no head of state immunity exception in the statute and so wow >> at that point it's like well what do we listen to do we listen to this domestic statute or do we follow what you know some consider to be international law and head of state immunity which again there's exceptions to international US law >> but like >> we don't even have to go down that path we can just say like okay according to US law he is breaking US law and >> this statute we can arrest him >> and US always tinfoil >> you know held domestic statutes as overriding international law I I mean that's a precedent many many cases have set in this country. Okay.

[01:09:56]>> Um and so it's like even if we don't look at international law at all you know domestically we have enough and and where where there were instances like Congress. So, so one um one thing we learn when studying the law is um we often analyze law by one way we analyze it is by trying to understand what the intention of Congress was when they created that statute. And there are many statutes in which Congress did actually include some sort of head of state immunity, you know, and so if they intended for one to be in this statute, they would have put it in, but it's not there.

[01:10:39]>> So, and then there's the war crimes act.

[01:10:41]Again, war crimes act covers war crimes against US nationals. Plenty of war crimes have been committed against US nationals. No head of state immunity exception is in that statute.

[01:10:52]>> Wow. Wow. This is >> Damn. So, you're saying there's a chance?

[01:10:58]>> So, here's the thing. There's I believe a lot of law to support it and you know at the very >> whether or not they >> Yeah. So, it's about the courts. It's about will will you know a federal prosecutor's office be willing to charge Netanyahu with these crimes? And then if he is charged, will he be will a federal court allow that case to stand? And to me, if you make the legal argument strong enough, I think a federal judge would want to at least go through the arguments because, you know, it looks frivolous to throw out something when you haven't even analyzed the arguments of jurisdiction, particularly if they're arguments that haven't been made before.

[01:11:50]Um, it's a court's responsibility to analyze those arguments. But to me, like, you know, I think about like best and worst case scenario, too. And if the worst case scenario is that Netanyahu or that Mamani arrests Netanyahu, that he's held in a jail cell for a couple of hours, the Justice Department gets involved and says, "You got to let him go." And he's let go. Honestly, that's still great.

[01:12:18]>> That's a win.

[01:12:19]>> You know, that's still a win. Like, who doesn't want to say that? Like, not every Yeah, >> that's And that's the thing. is you don't you don't when you get into a fight with God, you don't fight to kill because you're not going to kill God.

[01:12:31]But if you punch him in the nose and show that he can bleed, then >> you've made a lot of progress.

[01:12:36]>> The dominoes >> and over here it's like the opposite, you know? I'm like, bumani, go get in a fight with Satan. Like >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly.

[01:12:44]But like it's if you can prove that he's not I mean they didn't get Capone on murder. They got him on tax evade. But >> they got him behind bars. And that's the thing is my whole thing is like is like the story, right? So like the story right now is that this guy has been above the law. But if you get a mug shot >> of him taking the beef for this, then it creates a permission structure. Meg, I me taught me that word far. Permission.

[01:13:10]>> That's a great one. Permission structure. I like that.

[01:13:11]>> Yeah, it creates a permission structure and shifts the Overton window so that we stop seeing Netanyahu the way that Jake Tapper wants us to see him, which is like this like >> stalwart. [ __ ] you, Jake Tapper.

[01:13:22]>> Yeah, [ __ ] you, Jake Tapper. Uh, never invited on the Party Crashers. Uh, but I [ __ ] with Don Lemon. He can come anytime. Uh, uh, uh, uh, but yeah, no, that'd be that would be cool. Uh, I I'm for this. I think I'm going to sign off as the uh I'm gonna sign off on this plan as the resident [laughter] goober.

[01:13:41]>> Honestly, I'm I'm trying to get I'm trying to get an audience with Mumani because I want to I want to be like, listen, let me talk to your legal team.

[01:13:49]let me strategize with them. I will help you with this plan and I will defend you if it goes wrong, you know, like I I will, you know, I you can have any legal expertise I have, even the ones I don't.

[01:14:04]I'll I'll learn it, you know, but, you know, let me >> share what is like years of research with you because I've been waiting for this exact moment for so long. Um, and and it's time, you know, I mean, it's past time, but like Netanyahu's arrest is like such a long time coming. It's like the least that we could do is put him in a jail cell for a few hours, you know, and it's like >> whether he intended it or not, Manny is like not just New York's mayor, you know, how many people across the country have been like, "That's my mayor." And it's because like he made the promises and he like across the world, you know, he made the promises and he said the things that like people wanted to hear and and they relied on him and New Yorkers voted on him because for once they believed the word of a politician, you know, and so, you know, watching him keep so many promises already, I'm like I I'm glad that he's, you know, um he's coming down on this one and saying he's he's still planning on keeping it. I hope he can sweet talk Trump. Um because I don't know from he has those magic powers from that one time, you know, he was in the White House. Uh even even when Trump responded like to even when Trump >> responded to him like him saying he's going to arrest Nathan in the um New York Times interview. I was like, "This is like the nicest I've heard Trump like come at someone, you know?"

[01:15:38]>> And he didn't call out Zoron by name in that tweet. He >> Yeah.

[01:15:41]>> He didn't do the thing that he does with Obama every time. Barack Hussein Obama.

[01:15:46]He didn't say he didn't say he didn't do the Barack Hussein Obama construction.

[01:15:51]>> Yeah. which is really when you know Trump is is fighting off of his back foot because Trump has a prednatural ability to create uh heroes and villains in his story. And so the fact that he de personalized the rebuttal >> was shows that it proved it was very much like a token defense of I I don't think I don't think Trump likes BB. Uh >> he doesn't. I I I don't think so. I think he's sick of him.

[01:16:17]>> Yeah, I think so, too. And I think he's he does not like Trump is a con man.

[01:16:22]Like con man, nobody likes hates getting conned harder than conmen.

[01:16:25]>> Yeah.

[01:16:25]>> Like >> so um well far, you're like >> fascinating.

[01:16:30]>> You're our party crashers legal correspondent if you want the job.

[01:16:34]>> Nice. I would love that.

[01:16:35]>> Um >> sweet. Then come on anytime.

[01:16:38]>> Come on anytime. And in exchange for your contributions, what we're going to do is make sure that uh our editor, Chris, Chris, if you're watching this, we're going to make sure that we do a little short with this and he'll put some cool graphics to describe to cite the case law in the short so that you know uh our audience knows that what you're talking about is substantiated by what you do. and uh we'll make sure that we get some people to collaborate it and hopefully raise awareness for this because not only is it an important moral and legal victory, but it's also really interesting and gives me hope in a time where God knows we all need it.

[01:17:16]>> I know. I'm glad to hear it honestly.

[01:17:18]Like we have to hold on to every every little strand of hope we can find.

[01:17:23]>> Yeah. Seriously. Well, thank you for what you do. Thank you for spending your time with us. You're the greatest.

[01:17:29]Thank you so much for having me. Um, love you guys. Love your show and uh, happy to be back anytime.

[01:17:36]>> Perfect. And don't forget, we're doing an auction of the domains. My life life had other plans, but don't worry, the domain auction is still happening in earnest.

[01:17:46]>> Can we do arrest nethanyahoo.com?

[01:17:49]>> Oh, me. I think that might be >> I think we do. I think we Yeah. Okay.

[01:17:57]Amazing.

[01:17:58]>> All right. Yeah, I think we >> Oh, that would be so fun. And then we can put your video like breaking down how he can be arrested.

[01:18:04]>> I love it. And we can put like AI. Okay.

[01:18:07]No, we shouldn't use AI. We can get some great artists who can put together images of him in a jail cell and I can look at them to have sweet dreams before I fall asleep, you know.

[01:18:17]>> Oh, yeah. Keep us motivated.

[01:18:19]>> Let's see here. I think we just bought uh >> Oh, stop.

[01:18:24]>> I got >> Or arrest BB. Oh, arrestb.com.

[01:18:28]>> I like that one, too.

[01:18:29]>> That one's That one's That one's crisp.

[01:18:31]Arrest >> arrestb.com.

[01:18:34]>> Arrest uh BB.

[01:18:37]Uh oh. Yeah, got it. All right.

[01:18:41]>> Amazing.

[01:18:42]>> Uh and I got LLC. FYInow. Uh I spent like 30 bucks on this. Um uh Okay. Good.

[01:18:50]Good. We're good. Uh we have uh I'm not going to put Lol. That's not That's not funny.info.

[01:18:58]Uh me. Uh okay, cool. Uh we're on it.

[01:19:02]>> Oh my god. What aboutil? Isn't that Israel's or is itis?

[01:19:06]>> Oh, I feel like I might.

[01:19:08]>> What about DOJ?

[01:19:10]>> I don't think you can do a government suffix on uh I don't >> Yeah, Israel is >> Oh, FYI. Oh, it's >> Uhhuh.

[01:19:20]>> All right. Well, if we're not in the uh uh I don't think you can get it. I don't think I can get an Israeli domain for my uh >> whatever it's called.

[01:19:30]>> VPN.

[01:19:33]>> All right.

[01:19:33]>> Move the VPN. Just kidding.

[01:19:36]>> I used to do that, but I got a better Irish accent, so I got Irish ads on my podcast. [laughter] Uh, okay. Well, I got five of them for you, Far. So, that's my >> Nice. Amazing. Okay. We got to get We got to get started on this right away.

[01:19:49]>> Let's get to work.

[01:19:50]>> Perfect. All right.

[01:19:52]>> All right. Well, thanks you guys. We'll see you soon.

[01:19:54]>> See you soon.

[01:19:56]>> Thank you so much, >> dude. We have the coolest friends. Mag, you have the coolest friends that are becoming my friends now. They're so talented.

[01:20:05]>> Yes, >> that's amazing.

[01:20:08]>> She's the greatest. Uh >> yeah, she is.

[01:20:12]>> She's so nice. And uh >> Oh, that's I was really like looking everywhere. Oh, yes, Far. But I can remove you from here. Kick from studio.

[01:20:22]Byebye.

[01:20:24]>> Um the uh I'm Hang on. I'm buying these domains.

[01:20:29]Don't worry.

[01:20:31]It's not like I need the money or anything. Uh [snorts] it's it's worth it though.

[01:20:38]International human rights are worth $28. Uh far more than that. Um, so >> what else? I think that we're almost at time because we have to get prepared for our next >> We have a meeting.

[01:20:57]>> Super important.

[01:20:58]>> Four. We're actually talking to Abdul Say. Uh, and then after that, we're going to talk to Roana, but those won't be live, but we'll be able to like give important updates. And for Ro, we might I think we can clip. Um, so if you guys have questions, drop them in our comments and we'll try to take a look.

[01:21:16]Anything you want us to ask Abdul?

[01:21:18]Anything you want us to ask um, Roana about his West Bank trip?

[01:21:24]>> Yes.

[01:21:25]>> All right, y'all. Uh, we'll be back. I I should be back tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. with Lauren, but I have to confirm with her. If not, uh, I might take tomorrow off.

[01:21:36]>> Yeah, I have uh I have some stuff. I I think I might come by tomorrow. Uh we might do I might I was going to do the election tonight, but I think I need to focus on some me stuff. But um >> yeah, >> we'll do uh we'll definitely I'll definitely try and come on tomorrow for a little while to say hello to the people for a half hour. I'm just trying to finish getting these. All right, good. I got them. I got them. So, uh we'll tell Far we got the domains. Um yeah, tomorrow we're gonna do Please tell Abdul he's the bomb. I absolutely will. Chicago Bish. Um and then uh I think tomorrow if I do come on it'll be around three. I'll drop a real so that everybody knows what's going on.

[01:22:18]>> Oh, but Chicago Bish uh for on Thursday, Andrew's gonna come on to talk about the race for Chewy seat. I saw that you made a comment that you wanted him to talk about it.

[01:22:28]>> Yeah.

[01:22:28]>> So, he'll come on on Thursday at 2:30.

[01:22:32]>> Yeah. Two Thursday at 2:30. Okay, cool.

[01:22:35]Well, uh we are the Party Crashers. you are our audience. We love you. And uh everybody stay frosty and have a great rest of your uh summer day. I'm gonna >> All right. Later.

[01:22:47]>> Later. Thanks. I won't be high.

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