Misinformation communities often attack fact-checkers and Wikipedia editors because these platforms provide accurate information that challenges their beliefs, and they perceive this as a threat to their worldview. When individuals like Susan Gerbick, who runs the 'Gorilla Skeptics on Wikipedia' project, work to remove pseudoscientific content from Wikipedia, conspiracy communities respond with coordinated attacks, conspiracy theories, and personal attacks, often claiming the fact-checkers are CIA agents or disinformation agents. This pattern demonstrates how misinformation communities protect their belief structures by attacking those who challenge them, rather than engaging in reasonable discourse about evidence and sources.
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Added:the your project it does help the whole world like it shapes the whole world because it helps keep misinformation down and I think like that's the best we can do is like supporting Wikipedia supporting um the internet archive that's another one that they've been trying to keep down today's video is going to be a little bit different we're going to be talking about some UFOs and some Epstein and some other stuff hey everyone my name is Flurio welcome to the channel welcome back to the channel either way it's good have you here. So today's video I wanted to sit down with Susan Gerbick to discuss the issues that she has had by being attacked by sort of fringe UFO community, the ones that kind of exist in that conspiracy conspirituality kind of area of the internet. The story is interesting. I have been wanting to kind of cover it and I did talk about a little bit in a recent stream. So I thought I'd sit down with Susan. we explain what's going on in the story and you guys can kind of just learn about what's happening to her and what comes from these other communities. And funny enough, Susan did end up in the Epstein files pretty much for being a critical thinker and an atheist. So, that is an interesting one as well. Now, stay tuned. We'll take a look at this interview and I'll try to link some stuff below. I'll try to put some stuff up on screen, too. This will probably end up being like uh the just the portion about the UFOs and the Epstein files, but then me and Susan carried on and we talked for a while about psychics and other things, too. So, what I'll probably do is do a shorter video here, keep it about the sort of uh aliens, UFOs, Epstein files stuff, and then we're going to I'll just release like the whole interview separately as like a full thing because we just jumped around to a bunch of different topics. So, hopefully you guys uh get a kick out of it. I enjoy talking to Susan Gervik.
She's very fun to speak with. So, and definitely check out all of her links below as well. Don't forget about that, too.
>> So, maybe we can talk a little bit more about your Wikipedia organization because I did talk about in a live, but I'd like to put in this video, but that's sort of like partially why they're attacking you, right? They think you're like some CIA agent or something that's fixing Wikipedia. Um, so sort of like tell me that story. And remember there was a there was a record that they were trying to edit that kept getting denied by Wikipedia and that really started things off. It was like a daughter of some famous UFO guy or something.
>> Oh that yeah that's somewhere in there.
God, how much in the weeds do you want me to get? Because it it goes way back to it goes way back to uh Deepo Chopra and the Epstein files because I'm in the Epstein files. So that that's >> um >> let's talk about that too because I mean they're looking >> that's where it started is there is the is that >> yeah so maybe we can kind of do like a high level and talk about that talk about how um they've come at you and then that podcast or whatever that keeps like featuring you the guy like reminds me of one of those um what is it Joe Rogan podcasters who who's a crazy podcaster >> his name is Matt Ford I just put up a video of him last night because he interviewed a woman who's supposedly a psychic detective. She solved the case.
And I and I went through the whole thing. I'm like, she didn't solve [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> She didn't solve anything.
>> Yeah. It's so crazy. Yeah.
>> It's so awful. Yeah. This guy, he's like all through the video, he's like, I don't really know anything about this stuff, you know. And uh uh No kidding.
You don't know anything about >> Yeah, exactly. Um Okay. So, first start off with sort of just introducing yourself a little bit to the audience because some people um wouldn't have necessarily seen some of my old videos.
So, >> hello everyone. I am Susan Gerbick. My YouTube channel is Psychics Explained. I am the light and flu flurio is the dark.
So, Susan essentially, you know, I've known Susan for a while. Some of you guys may know her from some of my past videos. I will link all the past videos as well where I had Susan in it. But for a little while now, well for a while now, uh Susan has been kind of now normally she deals with psychics, but she does do other things too, like a lot of misinformation stuff. You know, she's at different skeptic conferences, does different talks, but for a while now she's been kind of dealing with this sort of like alien side of the pseudocience people and >> weird.
Yeah, they're very weird. And they've been attacking her and uh and yeah, a lot of it has to do with the fact Susan also runs this organization to help keep Wikipedia like accurate and factual. Uh and then they think that she's like a CIA agent and stuff like it's it's it's a lot of wacky stuff, right?
>> You got this down. You got this down. I think you summed it up better than I would be able to. I don't know. We'll see. I I don't know if I'm gonna explain this >> like and you know I'm not I'm not saying that aliens don't exist like law of averages like of there has to be some kind of life out there right in the univer think so >> but yeah like it's it is just like a law of average of course we we aren't the only ones in my opinion you know it just doesn't make sense we'd be the only ones however I personally don't believe that aliens have landed here I don't believe that they're kidnapping random people an uncle or a cousin of so- and so in Alabama. Why? Why? Why? That doesn't make any sense. I don't believe in any of this crap. So, um, so yeah, I don't cover aliens too often because alien people get like real heated about it.
And it's just like, listen, I'm not saying that aliens don't exist. I'm saying that humans, we like to think we're more special than we are, and we're not. Like, you're not getting kidnapped by aliens because who are you?
Who are you to an alien? You're nothing, you know? Like, it just doesn't make sense, right?
>> They don't believe in you either.
When Europeans came over to North America, what is now North America, they made people so sick over here. And vice versa, anytime we've traveled and we've gone to other countries, there's been huge pandemics and huge amount of death. What do you think if an alien landed here from another planet and they're a carbon-based life form, which is what we assume they are, uh, wouldn't we all start dying because like they'd be carrying bugs that we we've never seen before? Like it just just even on a biological level, I just don't think that it's even possible for us.
>> No, but that's these people overthink it though. But I'm trying to like reason with them. Like biologically, if they landed here, wouldn't we be seeing a like a huge pandemic spike of something we've never seen before? Or like >> maybe that's what we just had, the pandemic. They brought us a virus just like a virus we would expect.
>> Oh, it's already out there. These people I mean, somebody made a >> Oh, of course. Somebody made a comment on my channel the other day. They said, "You don't actually think that we went from building fires to making microwave ovens."
>> Yeah. People forget that >> at all in the same day.
>> Like people forget how advanced like ancient Egypt and stuff was back in the day. And they they were around for like 15,000 years before they were it was lower and upper and lower Egypt, right?
Then they joined. So, if you think about upper and lower Egypt, um actually I think it was the other way around, but they were around for like 10,000 15,000 years. And we've only been around like this new whatever society that's uh pushing technology. I mean, I probably I mean, the technology push I would say only a thousand years, you know, like people forget how young we are. even America what 250 years old you know like I feel like people exist in this bubble where they forget that humankind existed before and we definitely went back in our um all the strides we made in discovery I in my opinion was destroyed when Christianity kind of took over because the churches didn't want people to read and stuff they didn't want people to question the Bible or the kings or whatever and I just feel like that sort of dumbed us down And we're just catching up now again, right? So >> catching up. I'm not so sure about that.
Yeah. But anyway, I don't deal with a lot of alien stuff. I mean, that's just not really my world. I'm interested in psychic mediums and I'm interested in science communication. And I'm really interested in getting people together and meeting each other and learning how we could probably use everybody's best skills, whatever it is. Is it talking?
Is it writing? Is it drawing? What it creating music? and trying to get us out of this nonsense mess that we're in right now with misinformation. I I mean, we're just going to have to tear it all down and rebuild our society after this administration's done. And not just this administration, the whole >> it's going to take years, but we're going to have >> even like AI, like AI itself has like just completely muddied everything. Like people think AI is smart, but AI built its intelligence off of what we've posted online. And there's a lot of dumb stuff online, right? And AI hallucinates all the time, but like people take it for gospel. And I'm like, you really shouldn't. Like >> I feel like AI is killing us. I I don't know that we're going to recover from it very It's going to take generations. I think >> I'm not worried about AI. I'm really not worried about AI. AI is what it is. We can't fight it. I turn it off on everything I c I can, but I'm not really worried about it. AI will fight AI.
Didn't you see the Terminator?
>> Well, the thing that I my concern with AI, and I know we're going a side tangent here, is that uh it's being used for propaganda and misinformation.
People are making >> photos and videos and saying they're real, but they're not. And they look and they look good. Like, it takes a certain eye to to recognize that it's AI, but they're getting better and better at it.
And that's my concern, right? Because even like I mean there's political problems with that, but even with us like there there's problems with like pseudocience stuff. The alien people will go nuts because they're going to make a bunch of fake videos. Like it's just like it just opens the door up for like even more falling into this misinformation trap that everyone is in and it's just Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy?
>> Everybody tells me to watch it. I feel like I've seen it. No, I haven't.
>> Yeah. No, you need to watch.
>> Everybody tells me to watch that. I flur fl I am not worried. I really am not. I AI is doing some wonderful things in some cases and it's scary in other things and I'm not worried about it. We have bigger fish to fry.
>> I don't know.
>> We have much bigger fish to fry.
>> It's also ruining the environment and things like that too, right? So like there's >> Well, we're gonna we're at the beginning. It's going to get better.
We're going to be there. Okay. Anyway, you're getting on a tangent. I want to talk. I want to talk some good stuff.
Come on, let's get some cheese, man. I'm gonna spill some. What do you want to know?
>> All right, so let's start off with my friend Susan. If any of you were in my recent live stream a few weeks ago, uh she is in the Epstein Files. So, let let's talk about that to start. Oh my gosh, you guys. Life is so surreal these days. I have no idea. I'm in my 60s. I'm 63. I I was I'm retired. What the hell these days? My son told me the other day, he says, "Mom, I don't understand what world is it that my mother would be the mom. What?"
>> Um, yeah, it's it's interesting, but I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. So, how do I sum this up? Okay, back in 2013 I well 2010 and 2011 I started this Wikipedia project. Okay, I'll mention that what it is first because that's probably the basic >> explain what it is. That's >> Yeah, that's what I had to explain in my stream first before I got into why you're in the EC files because it is linked. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Here's one. Okay, so here's a whole thread talking about hitting Trump. Okay, they're talking about the tariff stuff and then somehow he got on to Susan. Okay, now he talks about UFO researchers. Okay, Antarctica. Oh, that's a whole that's a whole conspiracy theory stupidity. You can blame the History Channel for for the dumb minds of today. I swear to God. Oh, you've opened a can of worms. Good can of worms. D. You mentioned the scientists and that is some crazy [ __ ] right there.
Dlock. Oh, and don't trust Wikipedia on anything regarding weird stuff. It's been taken over by a feral skeptic group and her cronies, Susan Gerbick. I looked up, too. I assume a lot of the scientists part of Operation Paperclip, some of the scientists from Europe, Germany. Like, they all they're all in like this echo chamber on Twitter. And it's insane seeing the stuff that they're saying. So, here we go. This stupid [ __ ] which is she was an influencer. This this these are the people, by the way, and could uh touch and do the science that this person's been doing. I don't know who the heck this is. Um, this [ __ ] is the Susan Gerbick of archaeology. Uh, I don't think that has anything to do with the original post of that guy, though. Oh, Brock said something about her. Witness testimonies from nuclear site personnel.
Many advocate I think this is about UFOs. Susan Gar as a skeptic focuses on evidence verification often critiquing claims without direct dismissal. Diverse views exist. Proponents cite declassified documents while skeptics seek empirical proof. What specific testimony stands out to you? Yeah, this is about UFOs. He's also called Susan Gerbick a disin disinformation agent.
Can't trust anyone with the initials SG.
There's one guy with a podcast that goes after Susan the most. Paranormal talk show host, sorry, who recently testified to Congress about UFOs, emphatically says, "I'm on the Pentagon's payroll and that I work directly with and for the DoD public affairs officer. Susan go oh to cover up space aliens. That's inaccurate." And then it's like he's also called Susan Gerbick, a disinformation agent. Susan's a real person though. Is this the guy? There's one guy though that keeps coming at her.
I don't know if this is the guy. There's one guy with a podcast that is just like obsessed with Ste Steven. Susan. My god.
Matt seems to have taken legal advice from the Appalachian attorney who thought he could file a RICO lawsuit against Susan or whatever and now believes that as a long as long as he says in my opinion before whatever lunacy stries across his tongue, he's covered. Yeah. But there's other ones out there that are trying to do other websites, too. Like like the Internet Archive is an organization. They're trying to back up the internet because if we lose stuff, then we become dumber and then there's no like past articles to explain how stupid we are uh that we're believing in dumb [ __ ] Um there's like other organizations and other websites too. So, the people that go after fact checkers the hardest are usually those who have the most to lose if their claims are overlooked with critical thinking and skepticism. Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen some evidence of coordinated editing on Wikipedia for ideological purposes. If you have direct knowledge of this or even involved literally Google like they don't hide in the shadows. Oh my god.
Chat GPT unear a bunch. Okay. So you're like, it's so ridiculous that these people are using like AI and complaining that Wikipedia is too accurate, but AI told me it is absolutely ridiculous. Balloons and birds. Yeah, this is this is I I don't even I just need to see like birds conspiracy theories. Yeah, alien thing right there. I'm sure. Yeah, it's so easy to spot these people. That's why Susan Gerbick follows me, bro. I'm pretty informed about this topic and approaching it from very elevated state.
I don't want to argue. Maybe you're right, ma'am. Maybe it's all fake. Maybe professional debunkers this and fraud that. Being nice is more important. I hope you have a nice one. Um, yeah. And I mean, the thing is Susan will actually follow a lot of the people too that are talking crap about her. She's like even offered like they they've been like they've been editing these clips of her and things to make it sound like she's saying stuff she's not saying. And then she's like reaches out to them. She like tweets. She's like, "Why don't you just ask me to come on your show for an interview? I'll just come on the show for an interview." Uh, last thing they want is her with a microphone live where they cannot tailor it to suit their narrative. Yeah, exactly. the gorilla skeptics and Susan that is not freedom of speech nor is it American. You can have freedom of speech but Wikipedia is supposed to be a place where you are providing information about like um facts like Wikipedia is not a opinion piece website. Wikipedia is uh based on encyclopedias. I think people forget that encyclopedias were a thing at one point, right? Uh that's the idea of it.
It's supposed to be correct factual information. It's not about opinions.
And opinions are free speech, right?
That's free speech. But if you have a fact, you put it up on Wikipedia. The idea of Wikipedia is if it belonged in an encyclopedia, then you can make a Wikipedia page for it. They they all think that they're hiding these UFO documents that prove that UFOs exist.
You think that people are more powerful than they are. These UFO documents that they keep trying to well, they keep doing these articles and trying to publish stuff that says a UFO document exists, but like they have no proof towards it. So then that that edit gets removed and then these people then have decided now that Susan is a CIA agent that's uh messing with Wikipedia I guess or whatever. It's so stupid. And see on Wikipedia there's references.
You can take a look at the bibliography at the bottom and you can double check all of these and then they leave comments and they're like Wikipedia is not not a good uh place to site for your sources. Like it's actually a great place because it has a collection of sources that you can then go read and site you know.
>> Okay. So what's going on? I started this Wikipedia project not realizing it was going to be a thing. I named it the gorilla skeptics on Wikipedia. Again, it was just a thing where people on in the science-minded world would start editing Wikipedia. The rules of Wikipedia back in 2010 2011 are not it's much stricter now. So, it was really like in the weeds. They didn't have like you had to really like put all the brackets and all the equal signs. It was really confusing.
So, um, I started this project, but it was just me and a few friends or me and a few strangers editing Wikipedia and over time I started getting some speaking gigs and Facebook was starting to really take off and I was talking a lot on Facebook about what I was doing, how I was editing this page or that page and look at this picture I just uploaded because I am a photographer, a a professional photographer. I used to be in retail in the retail world. People uh photography anyway. So I started this group. It really wasn't a big thing, just a few people. And then over time, more and more people joined because Wikipedia became a bigger and bigger deal. And it became more important to to make sure that misinformation was not represented on Wikipedia and to build biographies for people who are scientists and doing good things. Because when you have a really strong Wikipedia page, it helps boost your profile. So, we thought, okay, let's look at some people who were not represented, women and men, who who didn't have great Wikipedia pages or they had stubs or they didn't have women at all. Uh, let's write uh Wikipedia pages for zoos and botanical gardens and and science museums and um about verology and on and on. So, I started this group and we moved into a Facebook group because that was the easiest way to manage it. And we call the Facebook group the secret cabal.
You can't get in it. You can't find it.
I know. The paranormal world has no sense of humor, you guys. I That's another thing I learned. They think it's real. They think it's a real s.
>> I mean, Yeah. The ones that are like nutty. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, no, they really think Yeah. So, anyway, I don't allow anybody in there.
You have to you have to go through my vetting and there's training. The training to be one of my editors is like four months long. It happens over Facebook and Google documents. I do all the training. I put together this training to be something like what I wish I had had because there's no training for Wikipedia out there.
There's no groups uh that are off Wikipedia. And so since we were doing very sensitive things like bureology, you know, vaccines, um, cancer cures, um, pseudocience stuff, uh, all my editors are anonymous.
I mean, they don't, nobody really knows who the editors are for Susan's Wikipedia team, but that's normal for anything, any project. Why would you know who these people are? There's no list. I mean, that that'd be I mean, that's kind of stupid.
>> Yeah. So yeah, I mean people go by like pseudo names online. Yeah. Like it's it's normal to protect themselves, >> right? So that's what Wikipedia is a normal editor. We don't know who they are. So I've always edited and I've always handled social media as an adult and everything I say. It's me. So you know I I I that's how my how I live my life. I'm very public.
>> And so what happened is now look I'm a woman and in 200 14, 13, 14. I was still a woman and still this older woman, I guess.
>> Still a woman >> and still a woman. And I didn't have any kind of um I don't have a science background. My background is in social and behavioral sciences, a degree in social social history. I've never used it. I was a baby photographer at C.
Penney for 34 years. I have no science science background. So what happened is okay there's these there's these this is men men like Deepo Chopra uh Rubert Sheldrickch who was a big name back in the day and other people like that they started noticing their Wikipedia pages were getting altered.
Now, as I say, Wikipedia was kind of going through a transition and things were more streamlined. They wanted uh Wikipedia pages to have certain like, you know, the biography at the top, the body, and then, you know, you have the awards down here. You have, you know, things had and and they went through a whole bunch of format changes of how that things were cited.
>> Um, and things were more automated like with templates and stuff, so there were more consistency anyway. So, Wikipedia became more easier to edit. And as that happened, people were going through and cleaning out old pages and making them more up to-date. Uh, taking things out. In the back in the old days, in the wild, wild west at the beginning of Wikipedia of 2001, you could just do almost anything.
They didn't have bots b out there trolling to see if there was vandalism or if things were added incorrectly.
They didn't have all that stuff and then >> Yeah. It was all like a communitybased project, right? Like that's what Wikipedia has kind of always been. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. But now it's much more automated and vandalism was removed in seconds but most of the time by robots. So >> anyway, what happened is they started noticing that some of these Wikipedia pages for these oldtime sigh PSI people, you know, psychic, uh, remote viewing, um, astrology, all that stuff, all that Deepo Chopra world, their Wikipedia pages were getting deleted or not deleted but altered and they didn't like it because things were being taken out like we call it peacock words, you know, where it's flattering words like oh the imminent Deepo Chopra you know we all that has to be removed we can't take we have to do that we have Dr. Chopra. No, no, we can't use doctor. All these things were changing because the rules got more strict. Well, Deepo Chopra, Rupert Sheldick, and all those people, they don't have a freaking clue what how to handle Wikipedia, what it means. No idea. No clue. All right, here comes the part about the men. So, what happened is they're looking for a conspiracy. So, there's a lot of people out there have conspiracy minds. They're that they're looking for the conspiracy.
>> Yeah. And it ties into the conspirituality which I will be discussing in a video that's should be coming out this weekend which will be before this video.
>> Oh. Oh, excellent.
>> I love I love your stuff.
>> So, so what happened is somebody some guy he's a troll. It's nobody's you don't even know who his name is. Anyway, he started ingratiating himself to the world of Deepo Chopra and all these higher illuminary people that he followed by rooting out my group, the gorilla skeptics on Wikipedia and the secret cabal and Susan Kerik who's only a woman and she doesn't even have a science degree and how dare she, you know.
>> Hold on. Wait, we got to put in an inside joke here for her really quick. A woman. Okay, you go ahead.
Oh, wan. Woman. Anyway, so so I became the scapegoat because even though my team and I had never touched any of the Wikipedia pages that they said we had, I believe Rubert Sheldrick's Wikipedia page, he had done a TED talk or a TEDex talk and the and the and when they kind of found out what he was talking about, it was removed from his Wikipedia page. No, it wasn't.
It was removed from his Wikipedia page because it was removed from the TED uh organization.
>> Oh, I believe that's what happened. And so they thought that it was like my fault. So >> that like I'm in charge of it like your guy's fault that Ted removed him. Is that that what they thought? Okay.
>> It could be that. It could be anything.
These people just come up with a conspiracy to make sense of whatever.
>> So what happened? I mean, logic doesn't always make sense in this world. So, just hold on there. So, what ends up happening is, God, I can't even believe I'm talking about it. So, they started blaming me. And for about a yearish, it was like attack, attack, attack, you know, and bring it to the attention of the of the government and make sure and let's call them out. Where do they get their funding? We were we didn't have any funding. What What do you need funding?
I forgot >> I was going to mention that Susan and all these people do not get paid for any of this. This is all volunteer >> editors don't get paid. Give me a break.
So, um I'd be on a beach in Maui or someplace by now. Anyway, the point is I am u I got blamed for everything and it just became a you can't you can't have a conversation with these people.
There's just no no way of having explaining the rules of Wikipedia. They don't get it. Uh the trolls were like, "Hey, I have special knowledge and they're writing blogs and articles and calling me out." Okay, I'm fine with it. And I kept my my editors uh even more quiet who they were. I mean, I went even farther underground because I don't want them bugged. I don't want people to figure out their username on Wikipedia and then find out their in real life name and have outings and stuff like that. I mean, nobody needs that kind of drama. Most Wikipedia editors are just editors. The work stands for itself. You make an edit, you put it up on Wikipedia. We don't need to know about an agenda. You just look at it and you go, "Okay, no, yes, change it, alter it. It's great. Thumbs up."
Yeah, you know, like they >> they treat it as like for viewers like watching, they treat it as like an essay where you have to have sources and there's footnotes under each Wikipedia article as many people know. And that's what her team does is like you make a crazy claim. They're like, "Where's the source?" And they don't immediately remove like there's like a 7-day window or something where they're like, you know, we're going to remove this unless you provide a source. And then they don't provide a source, so it gets removed.
>> It depends.
>> Yeah. I know. I've seen you guys like give people a chance to though with the UFOs. You tried. You tried.
>> It's more on the talk page. You know, we're going to have a discussion.
Anyway, everything's transparent on Wikipedia. You can see every edit, but it doesn't matter these rules. The fact that we're completely transparent. I mean, I don't know. There's nothing you can say to people who are who are bent in finding a conspiracy where there is no conspiracy and that I have become the fall person. Okay. So, anyway, that's all said. That's what my organization did. So in 2014, some troll who was ingratiating himself, I will save you Rubert Sheldrick and Deepo Chopra wrote an email to Deepo Chopra and had was talking about how Susan Kerbick's going to be appearing at a conference in 2014 called the amazing meeting and that she was going to be talking about Wikipedia and then it named some other people all the people who were going to be speaking it named them in the same email and Deepo's like, "Oh, that's disgusting."
Well, actually, he spelled the name. He he spelled disgusting wrong, but that's okay. You know, I I misspelled things, too, Deepo. So, um and then somebody else replied, you know, where's their funding?
Oh, >> yeah.
>> Yeah. Where's my funding? And so, so what ends up happening is apparently that troll who's writing to to Deepo Chopra has Jeffrey Epstein in the BCC or the CC or whatever. And so that came up on the um Epstein files. And apparently there's a bigger story behind it, but I've never went to look because I don't really want to look because >> I I went and read I read Yeah, I read the whole thread and if you read the whole thing, they actually are pretty much talking about how they want to get rid of critical thinkers and skeptics and atheists. It's all about like, oh no, they're they're atheists and you know, we don't essentially it alludes to the fact of like we don't want people to think for themselves. So we need to destroy people like Susan and there's a bunch of them in the list by the way.
There's like different people that speak at the conferences and have written books about this stuff too, right? So >> it's very enlightening the email thread because it kind of is saying like, hey, we need to keep these people as dumb sheep. Uh and these these people, Susan and them are are making people think for themselves and we need to put a stop to this. And that's essentially what it read like. Yeah, I read through all >> we can't have that. We can't have people faking and using Wikipedia correctly.
Okay, so we grabbed this from the Epstein files. I'm just want to show you guys the specific document that Susan's mentioned in. They kind of talk about how all the people that volunteer for Wikipedia are orthodoxy zots. It's interesting that congregate in cyerspaces.
They're highly suspected of being associated with skeptical blogs, journals, and personalities. As if this is like a horrible thing. Also, this person does say that there's a connection between these people who edit Wikipedia documents and pharmaceutical companies. And apparently that this person knows a reporter who's been looking into this, and this was in 2014, and she's been looking into it and working on a story for a long time to prove that all these people are linked to pharmaceutical companies, which is just not true. So apparently W uh Susan and her Wikipedia crew, this is what they're doing. They're doing it for pharmaceutical companies which is ridiculous. So Deepo Chopra is on there too and they're talking about funding the atheists. He's talking about that cuz of course like they they all have to be atheists, right? Not every skeptic is an atheist. They they talk about them making money off of Wikipedia, which they don't, which is why I brought it up in in this interview here. Then here he's like, "Well, I don't know if they make money, but they make image." But they all po they all do this anonymously. Like Susan Gerbick, yes, she has her name on stuff. She speaks at conferences, but it's not because of Wikipedia. It's not because of this or that. It's because she has an interest in skepticism and busting psychics, and that's what she speaks on. She will speak on uh the Wikipedia stuff as well because she started up this organization, and of course, she's proud of her work. They're saying uh most of these skeptics aren't real scientists.
Yet, they want to say that they are fighting for science. I don't think there's anything wrong with people that are fighting for science. A scientist doesn't have to be the one fighting for science. Scientists can be the one giving the breakthroughs and discoveries and then the everyday people should be fighting for people to have critical thinking skills. But there are scientists that do help as well with these organizations and all of these things too. Then they go on to explain that the Amazing Meeting, which is the one that uh was set up from the James Randy and foundation, I don't think it runs anymore, but it did run for a little time there, that they compare them to the Tea Party movement. That makes no sense. They are more an intellectual group. They go to these conferences or meetings and then they talk about skepticism and atheism and different things like that, you know, debunking stuff, different things going on. Like it's the same as anyone who went to like a conference on spiritualism, which all these guys in this email chain, by the way, are all like spiritual healers and gurus and crap. And then they talk about Susan Gerbick is going to be presenting in this and she's giving a talk on Wikipedia, of course, because she helps run the gorilla skeptics for Wikipedia, who is the big worldwide group that she has organized of people who go in and try to ensure that Wikipedia is as accurate as possible. Then this guy writes like this whole novel to Deepo Chopra where he's essentially trying to push that he he has a whole thing that he pushes that's about like using psychedelics and hallucinogenics to help I guess achieve spiritual enlightenment or whatever which it can be a thing like there is like studies that show people do that as part of like a therapy program but it shouldn't be something that you just easily do or easily throw around like this needs to come up with a plan and stuff if you decide to go down this path but you also shouldn't have your whole life you shouldn't make huge life decisions because of something that you hallucinated either. So anyway, so he talks about like waging a war, waging conflict with fundamentalist materialists who they they call the atheists this throughout this as well.
He's going into hippie- dippy stuff here, but anyway, like psychological revolt, violent revolt, reactionary revolt, things like that. They're they're trying to start up this sort of organization, this like plan of theirs.
It was edge.org, or but they're talking about it being this movement that they wanted to call the revolt movement and he wanted to set it up so that consciousness communities around the world can organize together and that you know fighting back against the atheists is super important and that should be like a key factor with all this. They talk about a bunch about this website here. This is some kind of like intellectual movement. It seems a little bit more spiritual to me. When he writes it sounds more like it's a pitch to Deepo. Uh, Demox says, "Thanks for all the information, insight. We are not lamming to engage in a war, but planning to create a database." So, essentially, these people want to create a war against atheists and skeptics. Deepo Chopra is wanting to create a database of the people that are against what they are trying to do. It's a weird This is a weird conversation. I don't know if you guys like glean more out of it than than I'm picking up too. Let me know. Yeah.
This guy goes on to kind of explain further wants to change the paradigm from materialism to a new model that encompasses realization and depths of consciousness. He kind of talks in circles a little bit, but he's saying here that skeptical materialism leads to ecological disregard and self-interest at the expense of the whole. I don't think humanity can change direction in time. Goes on to talk about pollution.
This guy's essentially talking about bringing people in the consciousness communities together. These guys don't want to share money. Like they don't want to share revenues. So I just don't really see them doing it unless there's some kind of financial interest. All these gurus and stuff. It's about money for them. Well, skeptics are united by simplistic concept. The various factions of the consciousness movement are often separated by their different ways of articulation and different levels of intellectual sophistication. It's not that deep, man. People in the conscious community don't want to work together because they don't want to share revenue. That that's what it comes down to. whereas people in the skeptical community are usually all volunteers or and or not making much. Then he goes on to insult some people. Wait, David Wilcock. Why do I know that name? Oh yeah, this is the guy who just uh recently took his own life and he was like a big uh UFO alien guy. So he goes on to say that everyone in the consciousness community should be working together. Then he goes on to insult two people, two big names in the the boooo circles. Oh my gosh, so ridiculous. Then he wants to set a set of principles that all the thought leaders would make a firm distinction between speculative or fanciful thought and propositions that are in alignment with scientific approach. A scientific approach to spiritualism is very difficult to do and I have not seen any of these people do this stuff. Um Deepo Choper doesn't really apply science to his spiritualism stuff. Applying some physics or like theoretical physics to some of the spiritual stuff, I'm down for having that discussion. And I find it very fascinating. But I do always caveat this with I think that answers could be found here, but we're currently not seeking for them properly or I don't maybe it's possible that we'll never truly be able to comprehend it even with math and physics. But I do believe that maybe answers could be found in some way. But these people talk with authority. The people that try to link science to spiritualism, they talk with authority and say that this is happening, that this is the way, right?
And I usually I usually try to kind of have this conversation but with a grain of salt, but I do get excited about this. So I love hearing ideas and things like that. I'm really open to kind of like talking about that these ideas a little bit more even though they really have no basis and no actual proof in any sort of scientific sense, you know, just make that clear. But it is a topic I do get into a lot too and I enjoy talking about it. So you'll hear about it on my channel if you're regular here. So they're essentially trying to talk Deepo Chopra into like doing this thing.
They're trying to kind of like use his name to implement these changes, these things that they want to do. They get him excited at first with the Wikipedia stuff. The Wikipedia editors he calls the lots to like you know Deepo does have pain point there clearly. I had a great introductory drink with Punaka. I don't know who that is. I'm sure it's probably someone that's wellknown about the many initiatives he and Deepo are up to. Okay. Someone that works with Deepo.
There's lots of potential for alignment, mutual support here, right? Okay. So, they're trying to I don't even know why Epstein is in this email thread, but okay. Or it was sent to him. Maybe it might have been sent to him for money because Epstein had money and a lot of people approached him to try to get funding. He also had connections too all over the place, which we know about.
Okay. Then he's saying uh he wants to make a platform for lively discussion about the intersection between science and consciousness that engenders a large uh engaged community, an activist community that not only challenges the so-called skeptics but supports a cultural shift but towards consciousness, compassion, and love.
Again, like the skeptics are the evil.
They're the enemy in in these these circles. They talk about reality sandwich. I'm pretty sure this this sounds familiar. I vaguely think I talked about this in a video just briefly as a side topic, something I came across. Ultimately, what we all want to see is for the science of consciousness community to be mobilized and active just as the skeptic scene is.
The interest is certainly there. The scientists and scholars who are developing new paradigm are right for the platform. So like the reason the skeptical scene is organized and somewhat gets along for the most part um is because most of the people in it are not doing it for money. But these circles, y'all are doing this for money.
So, it's just you're never really going to get proper teamwork when it could risk money leaving someone's pocket and you could make one of their clients go to a different uh consciousness uh leader. You know, that's why this stuff never works out for you. But definitely uh saying that the skeptics are the enemy for sure gets people mobilized on this stuff. Plot thickens. Is this something you're interested in working on? And it says, "Thanks for sharing.
Potentially would like to learn more. If there is more, can you fill me in? So, this is another person. Okay. Then, this was all forwarded to Jeffrey. All right.
This discussion from a few years ago on the anti-edge.org idea. They're trying to organize a mobilized counter to militant atheism. So, like they're trying to go after the atheists and the skeptics. Essentially, this is them trying to organize a a plan to take him down. Would love to get your thoughts on this. It's ripe to happen. It could form a strong basis for Sciu. Uh here's a video of him outing me. It starts around the 10-minute mark. I did try to check this and uh this video is not here anymore. Giving your knowledge, interest, and these connections and resources make a difference. I can rally the academics in this community and work with you to identify key areas right for research. Sciu could provide a platform or we could use the science of consciousness as a basis. I hope we give this deeper consideration. So, I'm pretty much like trying to get his contacts and probably money. Let's double check some of these links.
Reality Sandwich. Oh, I think I came across this as I was reading an article about there's like it's a long story.
There's a company that is all being run by AI, but they hired a couple humans to do some work, but they the way it's run is it's acting like the boss is AI and like the people that are running it are AI and they're creating it. Essentially, they're trying to wake humans up out of the like bad state that they're in. I can't remember the words. essentially trying to pull them out of slop content, which is interesting because it's AI that's doing it and it was linked to this reality sandwich thing. So, yeah, this is definitely um a spiritual boooo related thing. Yeah, the anti-edge.org link does not work. All right. And that video that he mentions, it it doesn't work, but this person's Wikipedia is still up. So, this is Paul Kolo Quillo.
He's a songwriter, actor, journalist.
Okay. So, this guy outed him. It sounds like he was also a journalist though, too. So I guess they outed him here somewhere. DLD conference of other business creative social theaters. Okay.
They just organize conferences. Okay. Oh yeah. I was going to look up SciFu cuz that sounded familiar. Scyu is an unconference for diverse thinkers cross-pollinate ideas leading to unexpected collaborations and impactful projects. Is this it? An unconference.
JSmond-driven meeting. Uh science food camp intentionally fosters collaboration between scientists who not typically work together. It sounds interesting. It sounds so familiar though. Where do I know this from? I'm not sure. I know this from something and it's just it's not coming to me. Maybe it's because it's a hacker event. Maybe that's where I know this from. I don't know. It's not coming to me. Okay. Anyway, that's just like a quick summary of the stuff that's in there. Oh, right. I wanted to show you you guys. Actually, hold on. Before we move on, we're going to go back to the interview in a second here. We should talk about Deepo Chopra being in the Epstein files. So, he is in there a lot. I tried to look it all up and looked at it all. It's far too many emails. He's in there a lot. very good friend of Epstein's. There's even where he talks about hundreds of emails about meditation and the theory of bofield science inquiries about women and Chopra's biological needs. Oh yeah, Epstein asked him if he needed he donated money to Chopra and as well to Israel invited him to Israel saying if you want to use a fake name you can bring your girls. You can read more about it. Also I will link this Apple podcast here where they go into detail where they review a lot of the stuff with Chopra. So like this. The only problem with the Epstein stuff is when you look up Chopra, it's something like 900 pages and each page has like 10 or 15 results. So when you're trying to kind of get a summary of what is said about someone in the Epstein files, if they come up with that many results, you're relying on other people who have supposedly uh went through and analyze it all. But the the reality is I don't think most of these people have. I think that there's just too much to analyze, right? like only if there's like someone who's on maybe the first few pages or they only have a few pages or something in there, you can do it. But all the rest is just it's far too much. And I just you just need to be discerning about podcasters. It's the only thing I will say. But this is a Conspirituality podcast episode. If we look at this here, it's from Conspirituality and that is a good book and I have actually done a bunch of research for my last video if you check it out. Um and it links back a lot of it links back to this book and the research done with this book. So, I would say that this is probably a pretty good episode just because it is linked to these authors in this book who have done extensive research and it's not just one author. There's multiple of them. So, I check it out. I would I would go check it out. I will link everything as well and you can listen to that podcast after this interview here.
Actually, just to show you here, look here. Here's Deepox Chopra. So, if I go to the last one, 336 pages. Sorry, I said 800, but 336 pages. So each of the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 but you get the idea. There's a lot to go through and a lot of it is just stuff that's like not important and some of it is like email threads that don't talk about any of this stuff and Deepo Chopra happens to be mentioned or CCD somewhere. So it's kind of like it's just so much stuff to disseminate. So hopefully that gives you an idea. Let's get back into the interview and I shouldn't have to interrupt with any more parts in here.
So enjoy the rest of the interview with Susan.
Okay. And so, so that was 2014 and I will not be shocked if more stuff comes out because I know I was really hated.
Okay. So, fast forward to 2022, 2023. So, I'm in Australia at the Australian conference and some guy who's a reporter, an Australian journalist named Ross Coltart, he wins a award from the skeptic community of being a a prolifer peripher proliferator of Piffl, I think they called it. He wins an award of that's a negative award. So, I said, "Hey, I'm going to just add that to his Wikipedia page. It's valid. It's got a citation.
It's a It's a notable source. Why not?
So, I'm sitting in my Airbnb, which I I don't use anymore, but I was sitting in my hotel room and I just added it in, you know, two minutes work. Well, I don't know why, but there was a lot of people at that time in the world of Wikipedia that I don't even know who these people are. They're just other editors. A lot of them do work on topics that are skeptic related or we call it fringe fringe topics.
>> Yeah.
>> That there's certain rules for fringe on Wikipedia that are different from the rules that people are used to having. So there's certain rules because um we can't keep perpetuating fringe topics.
Um >> it it just has different rules than some of the other things. And that's that's normal. on Wikipedia there are rules set aside for like sports players or musicians or there it's a little bit different you know you have u Olympians are different from like people who raise tomatoes or something I don't know there's different rules and that's normal and it's complicated Wikipedia is freaking complicated to people so anyway what happened is for some reason I don't know why Ross Coltart was in the news a lot and Again, Wikipedia is kind of going through this transition again where they're upgrading how things are done. They want things in a certain order. They want things done in a certain way, the citations done in a certain way. So, some people descended on Ross Coltart's Wikipedia page. And because they're live editing, that's a little complicated. That means like if I if I pulled up a Wikipedia page right now, Florio, like right now, and I started making edits and then you came in and you're making edits and we have some conflict because you're the page is open and we're making it live and I'm erasing your edits as I'm making my edits because we're doing it at the same time. It's only one Wikipedia page.
>> Yeah. So people were doing that and they were they were moving things around and then it came to the attention of the UFO Twitter people and UFO Reddit people and they got really upset because again they like their conspiracies and they like their um they have no knowledge of Wikipedia. Absolutely no idea. And it must be there somebody's trying to control Wikipedia and they're trying to keep they're trying they're messing with their hero Ross Colt.
No, it was getting rewritten correctly and actually improved and getting all the nonsense out because every so often you got to go through these things and clean it out because people aren't paying attention all the time and and things get put in there that is incorrect. I mean, it could be lies. It could be it could be slanderous. It could be bad for Ross coldart. It could be like, you know, he's an he's got stinky breath or so. I mean, somebody could say that and if somebody doesn't catch it, it's there.
>> And so, you know, it has to be kept in a certain order. We have we can't put gossip, you know, anyway, it's important. So, they didn't like it because things were changing and the awards disappeared. Well, the awards never disappeared. to think they moved down to the bottom where we're supposed to put the awards and this got moved up here and that got moved over there and that got rewarded. They lost their mind.
They absolutely lost their mind. So for about two years I was the attack dog because once again it must be the Wikipedia people which is Susan Gerbick who's still a woman now in her 60s now in her 60s and they've called me just about everything. These UFO nuts and some of them I really like.
Some of these people are really nice people. I've met them and they're we have great conversations but there's a lot of trolls. It's like you've attacked their religion because I think I think to a lot of these people >> it's like a cult.
>> Like I feeling the ghost hunting world is the same way. It's like a religion at a certain point.
>> It's like a whole belief structure and they don't want the belief structure challenged because then it would mean that all these years that they've put into this and effort they've put into this needs to be re-examined and they can't handle it, right? Um it's it's definitely a belief structure for sure.
>> Absolutely. I mean the flat earth world is like this. Uh the world of psychics is like this.
>> You cannot challenge this stuff and you can't have a reasonable discussion with a large percentage of the most vocal people. I mean I I have wonderful discussions with lots of people who are reasonable and we can talk about it.
It's like there's a cult out there and some of these pseudociences. And that's what happened with the UFO world is that they descended on me again thinking they're going to intimidate me or something. I don't know. These people, they're they look like they're all 13-year-old boys. I mean, I don't know what they are because they they hide behind UFO boy or UFO man or whatever. They have these stupid little names that they put up there because they're too too freaking cowardly to show their real name. And I'm serious. Use your freaking name.
>> If you're going to say something about somebody, use your name or shut up.
>> So, they they have these little they're they're using these nuances and they've got like these spinny orbital psychic or um UFO things. I'm telling you, they look like they're all 13-year-olds. And I've raised boys, so um I know what a 13-year-old boy looks like. And so there and then they say horrible things about me because I'm just a woman. I'm still a woman.
>> Yeah. A woman.
>> Still a woman. Yeah. A woman.
>> I'm a woman.
>> Like I'm not saying >> and I'm a grandma. Look.
>> I look like a grandma.
>> And you know, and it's okay to like have a pseudonym or not show your face.
That's fine. But like um the things that they say about Susan, which I showed some of them in the live in my live stream, like they get real like some of them even I think send death threats and stuff and it's just like >> Oh, I didn't get death threats. I don't think not yet. Come on you guys. Let's get the Annie up here. Up it up. I don't got no death threats. So come on.
>> I'm pretty sure I seen some on Twitter.
That's the thing. But Twitter is a cesspool to be honest.
>> I had to block a bunch of people and I hate blocking people. I really don't. I like to try to reason with them. But anyway, some of them were unreasonable.
But the point was is that it got really ugly and this guy named Matt Ford who has a podcast YouTube channel called The Good Trouble Show. And he thinks he's like the uh >> uh what's his name? That that big one.
>> Anderson Anderson Cooper or something, you know.
>> Not even I think I think he thinks he's like the next uh like Joe Rogan or something.
>> Oh yeah, that that's likely. any he's got a ton of view. I mean, he's got subscribers coming out of his yin-yang.
I've got a little over 2,000 subscribers. Thank you guys from Flurio's Phantom Files because you guys have really been a help. Thank you. I appreciate I mean I look I'm fighting for every one of my subs to get a sub because I'm at just a little over 2,000 >> and so he's got like 130 or something thousand >> and >> people love this stuff. They just like people like to fall into these weird rabbit holes. There's more people that believe in all this crap than people that actually think critically. It's very sad. You know, >> they want to they want to believe. The thing is people don't want to subscribe to channels is who are going to say, "No, that ain't a thing. Sorry.
No." Yeah.
>> No. Uhuh.
>> I don't think so.
>> Definitely. A lot of this stuff feels like they it's like a religion to them.
Like it it really is. They they just they can't handle any of the beliefs being challenged. Right. That's right.
And like honestly cuz that in in the video I'm I worked on too I have a portion that explains like QAnon when it showed up it like combined all the conspiracy like worlds and now they're all like mixed together and like even you'll find like the new age health and wellness crap they also are flatearthers. They also are ones who believe in alien abduction and they the >> antivaccine.
>> Yeah. the anti antiaxers go in and this like shadow government which I mean there kind of is but like we all kind of knew billionaires ran the world like for those of us who didn't like it's just yeah we're learning how horrible they really are like we already thought we already thought they were bad but >> files is showing yeah showing them even worse but >> you know I think it was pretty obvious though that like money rules the world so you know >> well which they can't they can't handle that with me because it's not about money Yes, I did get funded by uh the James Randy Educational Foundation back in 200 I think it was the it was the last days of 2017. They gave me a grant.
They only award one grant. It was for um us.
It they have to award a grant every year because they're a grant-making organization. And so they gave that to me which was a super honor. It's supposed to be like the MacArthur Prize, the genius award that they gave Randy.
They wanted to give a bunch of money to one thing, one person or organization that's doing something. And so I got it and that was phenomenal. And what I was able to do with that money is turn I took the money. It was given to me Susan Gerbick and I said, "No, I want you to write the check to a nonprofit." And I made a nonprofit called About Time. And so under About Time, what we do is we have to pay for insurance. We have to pay for I have a board. Um I have um they don't get nobody gets any money but we do traveling. We go to conferences and things. Also we work on um we help with skeptic camps which are these little tiny events I've been helping put on all over the United States. The center for inquiry which is the biggest organization out there in the skeptic community has been helping fund that as well so we can get people back to community organization small groups lectures. I also use the money scholarship >> for my employ that >> Kenny works at for those of you who who aren't sure because people watch Kenny from my channel.
>> Oh yeah, Kenny Bidd. Yeah, of course.
Kenny Bidd is the chief investigator for that. So, so I'm tangentally intertwined with groups and different people, >> but um the money I use is we we pay scholarships for people in my editing group to be able to go to conferences and and so on. We also use the money for psychic stings and I've done a bunch of psychic stings and I've just completed two, Operation Banana Cream Pie and Operation Gobble Gotcha. And so operation that was $1,400.
So the money is is um we're keeping that money to be able to pay expenses and to and we receive donations from private people who give us donations. Thank you so much. We are a nonprofit abouttimepro.org people if you want to donate. And so we've been using it to fund that plus like swag, you know, like stickers and stuff. So we don't spend our hardly any money. I mean, if if if I had no funding, I'd still be doing this. I'd just be funding it out of my pocket or asking for somebody to help me, you know, can you can you pone up 50 bucks so I can go see the psychic?
>> So, the thing is what ended up happening to sum this all up, and it's not an easy I'm glad you're letting me have my have um answer this because it is not a easy question to answer what's going on.
So the UFO world is exactly the same thing that happened in the Sai world in 2014 where you have these people who want to ingratiate themselves onto these people who are their heroes, you know, these Ross Coltarts and LS Alzando and these um I don't I don't know these people out there uh that I don't even know their names who are like speaking to Congress and are so important and you can almost see these people like Matt Ford genulecting I'm with that guy, you know, like like it's it's a very masculine thing. UFO community, they they're military, police, all that kind of or ex-military, ex police, that's it's a very manominated world. So, here comes this woman of power because yeah, the Wikipedia project I run is freaking powerful because we are doing hard work to rewrite um Wikipedia pages for to combat against misinformation and AI is completely plagiarizing us. They're taking everything we write and they're >> disseminating it. It's freaking scary because >> who in the world who's, you know, I could see that being a terrifying idea if you didn't realize um I have a long history. I don't need a science background, you guys. I'm not writing verology pages on scientific topics, but I do have a lot of PhDs that work for me in science. Um it it's it is somebody had to do this. Somebody had to take control and I did it because I'm just that kind of silly person who doesn't quite understand that that's a stupid idea.
How how where in the world does somebody get the idea that you can completely rewrite Wikipedia in all languages?
Thank you, by the way. And train all these people.
>> Like there's a ton of people on the team with Susan as well, guys. Like, and that's why like she has scientists and stuff, which she's always looking for more scientists, but you know, there's people of like different backgrounds and everything that help rewrite all this stuff. So, >> and some people don't have any background whatsoever. And the thing is, because we train them, but the the thing is is that it's an impossible task, but it needs to be done. and in and instead of griping about it and complaining about the misinformation out there, we're just doing it and we're making it public. So once it's public, it's changeable. So if it's wrong, it's changed. If it's if we're not following the rules, well then hold us accountable and don't try to do all that, you know, try to make trouble for us because you don't know what you're talking about.
We've got your back, people. So, this UFO community who's, you know, whatever, I'm talking about the fringy people who are really out there. We really do have your back. We're watching out for you.
We don't want to have misinformation. We don't want you to fall for the same um I mean, a lot of those people we agree with on a lot of other topics. You know, they may be pro- vaccine or they may be they may don't like scams happening to their mom or their grandmother. Um they may they may think that psychics are um these psychic mediums that I call grief vampires are like the lowest scum of the world and they they we would agree. So >> yeah, >> why is it that one area of pseudocience is not okay to touch but the other area of pseudocience is fine to touch? So the rules are the we're applying those rules fairly evenly within the constraints of Wikipedia, but they don't care about that. They're like, "You're touching my thing." And you're like, "Yeah, but we're using the same rules over here."
But, you know, like they get upset because you you remove the word ph like a on Wikipedia, we can't use honorifics like PhD or doctor, Dr. Period, the person's name.
>> I mean, it's used once like somewhere, but then in the body of the article, we can't use that again. That's the rules of Wikipedia across Wikipedia. Unless your name is Dr. Oz or something, you know, but a person who has a PhD, you never say their name again. And so they got all freaking upside down upset about somebody removing like the DR or PhD after somebody's name. And that's the rules. Everybody has to follow that rule. All Wikipedia pages, but they don't know that.
>> All right. So, let me say something summing this up. I can do this. I can do this, Florio. I know I can. So what happens is is is that they the same Matt Ford kind of characters and his henchman uh Rob Heatherly they went all over coast to coast AM u hours and hourong dives into who I am and my group Wikipedia project making [ __ ] making that they have no idea I offered to be on their channel. Oh, no. We can't have you on our couch because you'd be distracting.
>> Yeah. No, that's the thing. Like I I saw you even tweet at them and you're like, "Oh, you got all this wrong." You know, you could have just asked me to come on the show. Like I'll >> too distracting. We can't have that. We can't have a woman on our channel. We can't have a woman explaining. So, they all just they've lost their minds in some cases. And it's just >> fascinating. But it's it's exactly the same thing happened in 2014 is happening now. It's these people are wrongy miss Mr. wrong face and they think they won't back down. They're just doubling down and tripling down and attacking instead of just going, "Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Is that Oh, okay. That's a rule. All right. I get I get it. Oh, so your funding doesn't come from Soros." But they think some of them think I'm being funded by the government like like the CIA. Others think that I need to be reported to the CIA.
>> Some say I've seen both is like some are like she's a secret agent, a secret CIA agent. And then other people are like, "Oh, she's a plant from Russia and you need to report her." And it's just like guy >> Rico, we're going to get a RICO case against her. Oh my god, >> I did see that.
>> They're gonna get lawyers. We're funding for lawyers. I'm like, "Oh yeah, you guys can't even pay your own rent.
You're gonna get you're gonna get lawyers." The thing is, I'm not afraid of them. This is not my first rodeo, okay? I've raised teenagers, right?
Okay. They're healthy, wonderful human beings now. I have lost my my parents died. My partner died. My cat has died.
I am I am an orphan now. I have no other life except, you know, I like to play cards against humanity and stuff.
>> And Susan also she beat cancer, too.
That's another one. cancer and I rode a Harley and all these things.
>> Look, you guys, I'm not afraid of you.
Same with the psychic world. They I'm right. I know you cannot communicate with the dead. Now, I know there's some people on your channel who do not agree with that. And I'm happy to have a conversation with you about it and and other people about it, but let's have a respectful conversation. But I know that these people who are coming on my channel and I'm showing them hot reading and I'm showing them cold reading, they they don't ever talk about that. They don't want to come, you know, she's just an atheist and we can't, you know, she doesn't even believe in an afterlife.
>> It's like >> that's not a conversation. Let's have a conversation.
>> And they're just what are you gonna do to me? You can't sue me. You could try, but I'll I'll have it will be a party >> if you start sending me letters or something from a I will milk that to till the day is long. Pull it up. But these UFO people, they think I am responsible. Susan Gerbick is responsible for us not having disclosure in the world today.
>> Yeah. for UFOs because I personally am keeping disclosure from happening and I am responsible that their people, their leaders are getting laughed at and not getting the attention they think they deserve. it is my fault.
>> And it's just >> wild post where where they're blaming you for uh being the one who's like hiding the real UFO files that Congress doesn't want to show or something and then they link you to it and it's just like I'm like really >> the some of these people again these are anonymous accounts. Matt Matt Ford at least and Rob Heatherly at least are using the real names. That's that's nice. But you can't have conversations with them. They've never approached me to have a conversation. They only come on attack. I've tried to have conversations with them. No, no. I've sent emissaries, emissaries, you know, from our community who've tried to have polite conversations with them. Oh, no.
No, we're not having that conversation.
They're just no, you're blocked. And you're like, okay. Yeah.
>> So, I like I said, I hate blocking people. But in a certain case at the I finally after a couple years I had to block Matt Ford if it's just becoming impossible to have any conversation. And just yesterday I found that he's interviewed a woman some no-name woman who's nobody's heard of. Her name is um Elizabeth Ray Ray Y or RE who supposedly is a psychic medium who solved cold cases. one cold case she sold she she solved in within a day and the case was over 20 years old. So he this video pops up on my feed and I did a long video on it and I'm looking at this thing flur I was just like this is this guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's asking her beginning questions. Um how long have you had your psychic gift? It's like, tell me about this thing. And and I'm and the psychic solved no crime. She has no evidence for it. It was just the most basic thing like she walked into this building that she already knew the history of.
And the and the death had happened 20 years before. Woo. And she said, "This is the spot where the death occurred, right?" And the man had curly black hair. Woo. And then the case was solved a couple a few weeks later using DNA.
I'm like, so the case was solved a few days later or a few weeks later using DNA. So what about you solving this case?
>> Yeah.
>> No, no, that can't that doesn't even appear. So anyway, that video just came out. It's just I'm waiting for people to to find it and for the photo community to just attack me on it. Post it on Twitter so they can see it. You know, I'm not afraid.
Please, you know, if we can have reasonable discussions about this stuff and and you know, the this possible culty mentality, then that's your that's on you because I'm willing to have a conversation. And I feel really bad because in the world of mediumship, these people are being taken taken advantage of, but the world of psychic mediums is really my avenue. And I have so much compassion for these people who are believers and I have a lot of compassion for people who are mediums. I think it's a crime on women and I think a lot of it is invoked on women and I think a lot of these women who get into mediumship are doing so because they are underpaid, underfunded and desperate and they don't want to do only fans and they're stuck at home with their kids that they have to like during the pandemic they had they had to stay home to make sure their kids are on Zoom. They're they're in service positions, a lot of them. So, their go jobs are gone and they're taking care of their in-laws and their elderly family and they have health issues because you know damn well healthc care ain't so great. And so these women go into mediumship because it was easy and it's cash. That's the other thing. These are PayPal, Vinmo, uh Facebook me uh cash and all these other things. So, they're making cash because they got to get food on the table because they got kids to feed. And so, I I have immense passion uh compassion for these people. I think they're willfully ignorant. Um because I think the information out there, what's really going on is there, but >> yeah, >> you know, come on.
Anyway, should I get off my soap box now?
>> No, I totally I totally get it. I agree.
I like I I personally cuz my mom is one of these alien people like the kooky ones. Um so like I find I just can't talk to them because it goes nowhere and it's just too frustrating. So I just I just don't bother anymore. But like at least with like the psychic stuff, I'll I'll tend to try to talk to people uh who are victims of it just if they're open to it. Like what I find is I always try to remember like this is a belief structure to them. It's like being in a cult, like being in a religion. And so if they're like very aggressively coming at you and not at all like listening to you or like not at all interested in the conversation, then I just don't because I don't have the energy for everything, right? But it's like if they seem to be like a little bit questioning what they believe and they want to talk about more, then it's like, okay, then I'll talk to you some more, right? Um but yeah. Yeah, >> there's commonalities. I'm sure we've got common common ground on this that we can go. I mean, people >> they know that some psychics cheat. They know that some psychics defraud. They understand that there are some bad actors out there. Yeah.
>> So, we should be able to have a conversation of how do you tell the bad actors from the good actors and and in that conversation we should be able to talk about hot reading, cold reading, law of large numbers, Barnum statements, how we misremember the uh what was heard, how the how it's not recorded most of the time and people are just trying to rely on their emotions and they're in grief. We should be able to have that kind of conversation so that we can say ah now we can tell them apart. So let's let's look at this a little more in depth. But I you know I've taken a deep dive in this helping parents heal organization which is out there that's really >> pushing pushing psychic mediums. These are people who are well-meaning parents whose children have died and they are just a mess themselves desperate for um for for connection with their their loved one. And what I it's it's been mind-blowing that I didn't understand I mean I've been doing this 10 years or more that they don't understand what cold reading is. They have no concept of it. They think that the mouth opens of the psychic who says something and then the sitter interprets what it is and that's a reading. They are I I I can't even I can't even like if your child told you, "Mom, I was at school and this elephant came down and it I rode it on the back of the elephant to the to the school and then this giraffe." I mean, you'd go, "Okay, honey, that's cute." Yeah, that's sweet.
Yeah, when it happens in the mediumship world, which is kind of the same nonsense. They say your father's dead and now he's a bird or he's he's sending you birds or he's sending you pennies >> or whatever. And you're like, why do you believe that? Why in the world would you say that that means anything? Oh, he's sending you signs.
>> Well, have him send me like $100 bills.
Why are we sending me pennies? You know what? What is going on? And the and the thing that everybody's forgetting is if psychic mediums could talk to the dead, we would have no missing people. No unsolved cases.
>> I mean, we're only solving these cases these days 20, 30, 40, 50 years later, because of science, >> DNA.
>> And we've got this DNA and genetic genealogy.
>> And that is what's solving the crimes.
and they're finding missing people and they're that's why we're we're starting to get these through these. But there's tons of website with thousands of people's names on them. Missing children in the UK, missing people in the United States, missing people in Arizona, all over. But but the psychic sitting here having a conversation with you, telling you about your dad having a he loved license plates and he liked old cars and didn't he listen to country music, but yet they can't >> Yeah.
>> freaking find a Where's Nancy Guthrie?
Why can't they fix that?
>> Or or other people.
>> But no, we don't talk about that. Oh, it don't work that way, Susan.
Yeah, that's what they and and that's thing, you know, even growing up in it, that's what they teach you, like it's baked in. They give you excuses baked in as you're like honing your skill, as you're training or whatever, and they that excuse is baked in is that you can't turn it on and off like that. But yet, when someone's paying you, you can, >> you know.
>> Oh, yeah. As soon as I'm being paid, I it's easy to turn >> Yeah.
>> I mean, they're looking for a conspiracy.
I mean, and yeah, it's like it's like I I think of them as >> well, some of them, not all of them. The flat earthers, too. It's like there's a whole bunch of string, like from a whole bunch of balls of string, and it's all unraveled all over the place, and they grab one end of the string, and they pull on it thinking that >> thinking that the other end over to here there's a connection, like they're going to pull it, but no, it's moving. the things, the piles moving because they're all connected and they're all tangled together and they just can't seem to grasp that. They're like, "There's a connection. See, when I move this into the string, that moves, therefore, and that moves and oh, look what it happens." It's like you you're finding things that aren't there. Now, I don't know their brains work that way, I guess. So, I'm not a psychologist. I'm not a neurologist. I don't know this kind of stuff, but I find it fascinating how it's >> connections.
>> Yeah, it's literally Okay, so I added this because this is in my because I'm doing a cult video. That's what I'm going to release this week and it's called the cultic millu and it's an ecosystem that feeds everything. So, this was essentially uh by sociologist Colin Campbell. He created this term to describe persistent subculture of heterodox beliefs. Kind of like an underground reservoir that continually gives birth to new cults and new fragments and new stuff. And essentially what it is is it's like a shopping. It's like a grocery store. You go in and you decide what what belief or thing that you want to believe right now.
>> Cafeteria cafeteria religion.
>> You go in and you take a little bit of this. You take a little bit of that over there. Oh, can I have a little extra helping of that?
It's very interesting because it's like >> he says it's not one cult but a belief ecosystem. And he's like then they're all they'll they'll have connections to each other and then if you stop believing in one thing that you picked from the grocery store then it's fine because the other thing you still believe in and then you're going to pick up something else because of the whole stew pot, right? Like a whole pot of crap, right?
>> I'm looking forward to your video on this because like I said, you you you do deep dives like like I I can't even imagine. I just my our style >> is as different as our appearance you know >> the light and the dark you know >> our appearance is completely different as well as our style of of editing I I don't >> I just speak to the camera a lot of it is off the cuff I show you the videos we have conversations about what's going on in these readings and you just go let's talk about Teresa Caputo and I'm like I didn't No, I'm like this.
>> Yeah, that was like that was like one of my favorite videos. I think that was like one of my most well done one.
People that watched the whole thing were saying like that was really well done. I pointed out like a lot of good stuff in there. Right.
>> Tyler Henry, all of those. You've done a really good job.
>> This cult video is like it's not going to it's not as deep. I I talk about like nine different cults, like nine different types of cults. So, it's like not a deep dive in each one, but it's like a light explanation of each one.
Then I do a case study per each one. um one or two case studies for each one.
So, because I'm planning to like that's one of the content things I'm switching into this year is I've noticed that there's a lot of true crime coverage and they it's it's not right. Like they they add in stuff to make it more like whatever snazzy or interesting for the viewer to listen to. And they're adding in lies like that. It's creative writing at this point. So, I'm already do exposees on like psychics and paranormal stuff. So now I'm going to do exposees on true crime and cults and things like that, right? And I do want to dive into some cult stuff because I do find it does overlap with paranormal stuff especially. There's a lot of it. Um so that that's sort of why I'm like, okay, let's do a video talking about the different kinds of cults because then when we start talking about cults more, then we can like relate it back to which kinds. So >> So that's why I decided to do this one.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's always so interesting.
>> Say we should wrap this up. Yes, guys.
like you should definitely check out Susan's uh channel, all of the stuff.
Also, I recommend even reading her articles. Like I I really enjoyed reading articles when I was first looking into her and she has like a lot of insight and links to a lot of um references and different stuff, too. So, I found it fascinating. Um as well, are you still looking for people to help you with the Wikipedia program? Do you want to talk?
>> Yes. Yes. But I'm I'm a little more particular and not particular in the way they probably think. I'm not looking I mean scientists sure but I'm not looking for necessarily only scientist I'm looking for people who are not coming from the UFO community you're trying to infiltrate my group. So >> I mean you got to have a history. I I mean I either got to meet you or I need to look at your your years of social media to see if you're an antivaxer or you know I I gota I got to vet you a little bit and I need people who are going to follow through. I I give them a test to start. A lot of people can't.
It's not a hard test. It's just like three hours worth reading and doing some stuff. But a lot of people can't even get themselves to do that test because they just impulsively want to join and they just >> are unable to follow through. I need that. I need you're going to have to communicate with me on Facebook. That's just the way it is. And it takes it can take four months. And when you're done, you're going to be working. You're this is your you do this and and there's no pay and I'm not gonna and no glory. So, you're just changing the world. Kids around the world will be plagiarizing your words and all their school projects.
And if you're okay with that, giving them good information to plagiarize, well, then that's what we need to be doing because that's how I look at it.
I'm like, it's it's >> we write stuff and it appears all over the place and then we go, we wrote that.
But you can't do anything about it. I mean, you know, you can't be like, hey, I wrote that. True. No, and that's saying, yeah, you want to try to stay anonymous because of uh people like this. It's super >> contact my name atyahoo.com or on Facebook Messenger is the best place to get a hold of me.
>> And I I'll link everything below as well if you guys want to help out with this, too. Uh but yes, it's definitely like a time commitment. What I'm looking for are people who are looking for something to do that's non-confrontational >> that is uh structured to a good extent.
You're following the rules and that is you're not already have an outlet where you're doing your your mis you're fighting back against misinformation.
I'm finding I'm trying to find a certain kind of person who is tired of arguing with trolls on the internet because that ain't that ain't that ain't doing nothing. So stop it.
come and help me. If you have nothing better to do, >> come and help me. I will give you I will I will give you something to do.
>> Like the your project, it does help the whole world. Like it shapes the whole world because it helps keep misinformation down. And I think like that's the best we can do is like supporting Wikipedia, supporting um the internet archive. That's another one that they've been trying to keep down.
So it's like these are like the old classics. There's a reason that Internet Archive started and it's why they're trying to take it down in the first place, right? So, yeah, we use it all the time in our Wikipedia work. We every link we make on on a citation, we try to uh also put it into Internet Archive and link it there. And that's to keep link rot from happening.
>> Actually, >> we do that. It's part of the training.
But the thing is is that what are we going to do if something happens to internet archive? So that's got to be as well.
>> But, you know, I can't do everything. We just use it and and it's explained all my all my editors know how to use it.
It's it's a thing. But I mean, I don't know. There's so much work to do, >> there is. There's tons of work to do.
Yeah. Well, thank you, Susan, for coming to talk today to everyone as well. And yeah, definitely check Susan out. Um, she's a great resource. Very knowledgeable.
>> So shy. Very shy.
>> Not shy.
>> Unapproachable. Absolutely. I'm the meanest person in the world. I'm trying to rule I'm trying to rule the world over here. I'm busy trying to stop disclosure as we speak.
>> Well, thank you guys for coming out for the video and watching. And don't forget to like, subscribe, comment, do all those fun things. All right. Thanks.
Thank you.
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