Netflix’s Unchosen vs Trust Me: The False Prophet | REAL Life comparison

Added: 2026-05-09

[00:00:00]According to them, Satan because he had the phone, Satan had control of his mind. Therefore, his family wasn't safe.

[00:00:06]This type of thing was exactly or very similar to what Warren Jeffs would do publicly. He would get over the pulpit sometimes and say that these men, they were going against God's will. And therefore, they had to leave the community, leave their families, and go repent. And this is kind of what they're saying here is that he needs to go and be separated from everyone and have a chance to repent. And if he chooses to repent, he can he can come back. But if not, then he is shunned forever.

[00:00:38]>> Hey everyone and welcome back. My name is Sam >> and I'm Melissa.

[00:00:41]>> I was raised in a family with four moms and 35 kids. We were members of the FLDS church, which is a polygamous group run by their prophet Warren Jeffs, who is now serving a life sentence in prison. I was raised mainstream LDS in Utah. Sam and I have been married for 11 years and have two awesome kiddos.

[00:00:56]>> Yes, we do. And today we're going to be reacting to a Netflix show called Unchosen.

[00:01:02]>> Yes. Thank you to the person who reached out to us and this is a UK show and they were saying that you know especially after watching the Samuel Baitman documentary and we've been talking a lot about that and that's obviously based on real events and you're watching literally regular people are the people who are documenting all these things and being able to help put him in prison and then here comes right on the tail end of that this new show on Netflix that's now in the top 10 that is about a small closed off community cult in the UK. And so they somebody reached out and said, "Hey, can you kind of compare this to the FLDS and we watched the first episode and we were like there are so many similarities."

[00:01:46]>> Yeah, it's very interesting. It's also unique to see it in the UK as opposed to a lot of the shows we've reacted to have been here in the United States. So that's kind of unique and fun to see, first of all. Second of all, we know that it's not a true story, but you know, it's still very interesting to see how even when putting a show together, the similarities, and I don't know where they're getting their research. Maybe it's based on other shows they've seen, uh, but they are basing it on the, as they said, cults hiding in plain sight.

[00:02:18]>> Yes. And they did mention that within the UK there's over 2,000 cults. So knowing what they classify as a cult um would be also interesting when they say 2,000 of those to see what their definition is because everybody has a little bit different uh difference in opinion there. But as we started watching this, I don't know if we'll do an episode for every single episode.

[00:02:42]We'll have to see what comes as it looks like it's going to become more of like a thriller. But in this first episode, their portrayal of a small cult really hit the nail on the head with a lot of other things that we've seen in other groups and within the FLDS. So, we thought it would be fun to compare.

[00:03:00]>> Definitely. And we are already seeing right out of the gate episode one. I mean, we were probably five minutes in and we had to pause and we're writing, "Oh my gosh, this is so similar." Yeah.

[00:03:12]The notetaker here. so similar to what we see in the FLDS church and so many of these other groups. And this is just a a fictional a madeup story and yet there's already so much that is just so similar to the real life uh cults and groups that are happening right under our noses in some cases.

[00:03:31]>> Yeah. One thing that's important like from the get-go is I feel like their church service is very similar to a lot of regular religious church services, right? And as they're starting to portray this group, from the quick first glance, it looks like it's this very happy community. They're all together and they seem happy and there's children running around and laughing and playing.

[00:03:55]And I think that's really common, too.

[00:03:57]this idea of if you could have a small group of shared beliefs and everybody could be healthy and happy and there wasn't these underlying control things like from the outside there's this I don't know almost utopian thought to it where you see it and you're like oh my gosh if only that could actually work the way that they try to portray it from the outside. Um, there were a couple things though within the church service that I thought were interesting comparing it to not just the fle but mainstream Mormonism. So, one was that the men and the women were sat separately in the church service and that doesn't happen in the church buildings but that happens in the temple for the mainstream LDS temple is that the men and women are separated. So when I'm seeing that on there, I was like, "Oh my gosh, that looked familiar."

[00:04:47]>> In both the FLDS church and the mainstream LDS church, you're you're correct in the sense that it doesn't happen. They don't separate men and women in the the primary meeting, the general meeting.

[00:04:59]>> However, the breakoff groups, the priesthood and Relief Society, and the different groups afterward, they are separated. So that's true. You're right in the sense that when they're all sitting together, they don't make them sit on opposite sides, but there still is that separation, which I drew that parallel to the uh FLDS church. And then, of course, like you said, in the temple that is set up the same way that we saw here in the show.

[00:05:22]>> Yeah. One interesting thing, they had the sacrament, which I know lots of churches partake sacrament from Catholicism to Mormonism, but it was interesting to me that the women were the ones who passed around. It looked like the men passed around the bread and the women passed around the it looked like wine because it was in chalicees.

[00:05:39]Um, but that was interesting to me because growing up in Mormonism, you had to have the priesthood in order to pass any part of the sacrament. Therefore, women were never allowed to pass around the sacrament. So, that was something that when I saw that I was like, oh, the women are allowed to do that. So, at first I was kind of hoping that there would be a little bit more equality between the men and women. It gave me hope for that. And then obviously that was shattered pretty quickly. But I did think that that was interesting that at the beginning though they were separated, they're still trying to show like, oh, the men are doing this and the women are doing that and it's harmonious between between the two.

[00:06:16]>> Yes. And speaking of >> for the first five minutes.

[00:06:18]>> Yeah. Exactly. Speaking of the sacrament and just some things that were said in the first episode and also the necklaces that you see, it is obviously Christian-based.

[00:06:29]>> Yep. Uh but yes, and I also thought it found it interesting that the sacrament they were actually passing around a big piece of bread and people just like take a bite out of it or take take a piece out of it like and not just like a loaf of bread. It was like this big chunk of bread. It was a chunk of bread. And because the sacrament is symbolic to the body of Christ, >> that was just something that came to my mind. And I'm thinking, man, are they actually pretending to be passing around the body of Christ, you know, instead of >> symbolically that would make more sense, right?

[00:07:01]>> Yeah. Anyway, just something that came to my mind when I saw that.

[00:07:04]>> Yeah. Interesting. You can tell that there's obviously strict modesty standards. The women are and the girls are all in dresses. Uh they all had hair coverings as well. It reminded me a little bit of the group in um Australia, >> Gloria. Glory. Yes.

[00:07:23]>> It reminded me a little bit of the same type of out outfits as Gloria Veil, but very common uh very modest dresses. And I feel like obviously dressing in dresses is common not just within the FLDS, but there are a lot of different Christian groups where wearing dresses is part of the modesty standard, head coverings obviously, and a lot of different religious groups as well. So there were a lot of things that seemed very kind of generic for certain Christian groups.

[00:07:52]>> Yeah. And it's interesting to see that it seems that that the more strict, the more closed off these uh groups are or these cults are, the more covered they become, >> you know. So I mean it's very clear that it's a a a way of control, a way of keeping this type of uh extreme control over their members by even commanding and making sure that they dress a certain way so that they always feel and it's a constant reminder that they're being controlled. Now, of course, they're being told that they're being controlled or they're not being controlled. They're being guided by God.

[00:08:30]So yeah, >> they take the word control and make it seem like a really good thing, >> but especially I mean in the FLDS I saw it all the time. I mean the way that we dressed >> was who we were. I mean if we were to if I were to put on a short sleeve like I'm wearing today like a t-shirt and go walk around the FLDS community back when I was living there.

[00:08:52]I mean that's the end of my stay at the LDS hotel. I mean that that literally would have changed everything for me just by wearing a t-shirt. I would have been kicked out of the community. My family would have been so embarrassed by me.

[00:09:07]>> Yeah.

[00:09:07]>> Just just that one thing.

[00:09:09]>> But also like it's not ever talked about as in the fact that it is for any type of control. It's all about an outward expression of your inward commitment to God and your covenants is how I was raised to look at it. Right? So you're also being told that it's not it's about you get to choose it. It's not really controlling. We're not controlling what you wear. You have the agency to wear whatever you like.

[00:09:32]>> But you were raised in a less strict environment than I was.

[00:09:35]>> That's true. But I'm just saying I don't know if that's any less controlling, but it's a way to have people believe that the choice is yours. But you're put you have these two platters where it's like you can choose over here, but that's the wrong choice. Or you could choose this one over here and you could honor God and yourself and your body and your temple and you know but you still have the choice. So which would you like to choose? So it is still controlling but it's with this smile of this idea that there's this amount of agency. So you could still always choose the wrong choice if you felt like it.

[00:10:09]>> Yeah. For me it was a lot more black and white. It was I mean sure we always had the option to choose. I mean, you could choose this right here, which is what I'm telling you is what is the best and what God wants. I mean, you could do you can go to hell. I mean, you could you can make that choice. You do this or you go to hell. I mean, it's is black and white.

[00:10:27]>> Yeah.

[00:10:27]>> So, but I I get the mainstream LDS church definitely got a lot less like that as time went on.

[00:10:34]>> Yeah. And thank goodness it's way way less like like that now, too. Like, they've loosened up a lot on those type of standards. But that's how I was raised with strict modesty standards.

[00:10:43]Um, in the first episode, you know, the little girl, the one little girl, this is it's going to have spoilers, so if you haven't seen it, go watch it. Come back and hear our response to it. But >> just the first episode, >> just the first episode so far. But the little girl, you know, a big storm comes in and she's hard of hearing and she gets scared that it's the rapture. And so instead of following everybody else, she wanders into the wood and is woods and is getting scared by it. And the fact that she said she was scared that it was the rapture. I feel like we don't use that terminology within Mormonism.

[00:11:16]We were never taught that it was called the rapture. What were you Did you ever hear the word the rapture? Not the >> It was always the end of times.

[00:11:23]>> End of times for it was for us it was the great destructions.

[00:11:26]>> Okay.

[00:11:27]>> And that >> we tried to avoid that. That sounded pretty negative. We were like the end of times. I don't know. No, the the way I was raised, it was always talked about and it was very clear that the great destructions were coming and if we weren't prepared, it was definitely a way to control us and keep us obedient and in line.

[00:11:47]>> Yeah. And when the girl gets saved, again, I'll try not to spoil too much, so we won't get into as much of that as what just the religious comparisons here. But it was interesting that when the little girl gets saved and they're in the hospital and she admits to her mom that, you know, I was scared that it was the rapture. And the mom says, um, no, there's no need to worry. It's okay.

[00:12:11]Even if it was rapture, it wasn't. But if it was, you're fine because we are the chosen ones.

[00:12:17]And that is something that I was definitely taught growing up in the mainstream church. You know, that you're the chosen one to be born into or into the covenant is how it was worded all the time. Meaning that your parents were sealed. You're born in the covenant and that you were being raised in God's one true church. You were a chosen one for this last dispensation of the fullness of times and all these things about how you were special and if you stayed faithful, then it wouldn't matter. you'd be ready for the end of days.

[00:12:47]>> Yeah. It's interesting how many different groups are claiming to be the chosen ones and the only chosen ones.

[00:12:52]>> Yeah.

[00:12:53]>> And it seems like the the smaller the group, the the more special you feel because that's how I was. I definitely felt special and chosen. That's what I was told. I was told that I was chosen as uh to be >> one of the few that were worthy. like how lucky was I to be born into this very small couple thousand people uh out of all of the the billions in the world, how lucky was I to be one of the very few chosen and the only ones to to the story's point here that would be saved if the great destructions or the rapture were to come. See, and I'd say within like the mainstream church, we were taught more that all righteous, like all good people would survive the second coming, like that all the wicked people would be wiped off the face of the planet, but like there would still be a lot of other people, too. It wasn't just going to be the mainstream Mormons left on the earth. So, we weren't chosen in that way. It was just like we kind of had a leg up on everybody else cuz we already had those covenants and we already knew the path and everybody else was going to have to find it and come to it later. M >> um so it was never like we're going to be the only ones, but you were taught like it's your group are the only ones, right? Like everywhere else in the world is like fire everywhere else.

[00:14:08]>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yes, we were also taught that there were some some decent people out there and they would have a chance to accept the truth, but that was going to be in the next life >> because they they were lost. they weren't going to uh be able to be a part of the church because the FLDS church didn't accept any of the converts or or very few converts were ever accepted in the FLDS church or at least during the time that I was a part of it. And so we were just taught that in the next life they would have a chance to choose and follow the truth that we had at the in this life.

[00:14:47]>> See, and we obviously were using missionaries to try to spread it. We thought that it was our job to spread it across the entire face of the planet and that until we did, until we reached every corner of the earth is how it was worded, like till the missionaries reached basically every person on earth, the second coming couldn't even happen.

[00:15:05]That that was something that had to happen in order for Christ to come again. And so that's a reason why missionary work has stayed so huge and why there are missionaries like in almost every single country because that's part of ushering in the second coming. Yeah, at least that's what's being told, right?

[00:15:23]>> Exactly. Sam was not surprised when the husband went to work and he goes, "Let me guess. It's a big construction company." And that was that was my life.

[00:15:32]Either big factory of some kind, which in this case they they were working at a big sawmill, which there were sawmills in the FLDS church. Also, uh just a lot of different types of construction. So, when he pulled up, I thought, "Oh, wow.

[00:15:46]I'm not even surprised. I bet you anything this church is going to own this sawmill and they're going to be bringing in money to the church through that.

[00:15:55]>> Do you think part of the reason that a lot of these smaller groups have construction companies is because they can deal with the outside world the smallest amount as possible?

[00:16:09]>> Yes and no. I think it's also partly because they want to become as much self-sufficient as they possibly can.

[00:16:16]And that we had done in the FLDS church.

[00:16:19]We had we could build an entire house.

[00:16:21]We could build buildings. We could grow our own food. We had storehouses with food. We could make our own clothes. So everything that we needed we could have in the FLDS church. And I believe that's why a lot of them do a similar thing is like your basic what are your basic necessities? Food, shelter, home, things like that. that typically be is where the these groups, these types of um communities focus their attention.

[00:16:52]>> Yeah. It's apparent when they call for an ambulance or the main woman, it's her brother-in-law, calls for an ambulance on a phone that it at first we didn't understand why it was a big deal that he called for an ambulance to be able to save Ros's daughter. But we find out later it's because they're not allowed to have any technology. And that's again something that you see in a lot of different groups. Um, not in the mainstream LDS church, but in FLDS, technology was a big deal.

[00:17:22]>> Well, technology we had as a way of communication. We had nice vehicles. So, we weren't like the Amish in that sense or like these guys in that sense. Uh, but we didn't we weren't allowed to have access to the internet. So, that was something that was frowned upon and taught that was just the most wicked and evil thing possible. So, and then other things that came along with technology really the phones that we had were meant to be communication devices only.

[00:17:49]>> Yeah.

[00:17:50]>> Just just to clear that up.

[00:17:52]>> Yeah. And you know, when they're at the hospital, they're showing, you know, in the hospital emergency room, Rosie is looking around and, you know, everybody else in the group's trying to to look down and try to ignore all the wicked things in the world. And as they're showing these different things, whether it's people kissing in the corner or somebody on electronic devices or a little girl on her tablet, you know, really just kind of showing that when they did go out in the world, I was just grateful that they were allowed to go to the hospital, honestly, when I was like, "Oh my gosh, please tell me that they're allowed to take her and get her the help she needed." So, that was great that they did that. But when you've been taught that all of these things are wicked, it's very easy that when you go into the regular world and you see like a kid on a tablet, you're like, "Oh my gosh." And the parents are on cell phones or somebody is kissing. Oh my gosh. All these terrible things. It reiterates that the world is this wicked scary place and we just have to keep our heads down and try to get back to our own world. Yeah.

[00:18:55]>> And I felt like it did a good job of showing that because I think that's really how a lot of people in these groups feel, >> right? Because within the groups, you're closed off. You're there in your own little bubble and you're constantly being taught that the outside world are these people are doing these certain things. They're they're watching evil movies or listening to wicked music or they're they're out there just kissing whoever they want even though God doesn't approve of it. You know, those things are being taught all the time. So now you go once in a while like we would go to the nearby city, St. George, Utah, and go shopping and things like that for groceries. I know we we could have been self-sufficient, but you know, Costco was right down the street. So we would go and we would see these things that we were constantly being taught about. And yeah, we didn't know for sure what they were listening to or what they were watching, but we would just assume that everyone was doing all of these wicked things that we were told they were doing.

[00:19:48]>> Yeah. And when she gets back from the hospital, I I wanted to call him the prophet, but the leader I at this point they haven't said the word prophet, but their leader, the church leader who is very clearly in control of the whole group, um his wife said separation is our sole principle, you know. So again, just saying like we are supposed to be separate from the world. Um we are not meant to be part of that wickedness. And because it was somebody outside of their group that helped the little girl get out of the river to begin with that she said at one point, you know, you should be thanking God, not some unchosen >> for helping your daughter. Now, so we can now see that the word unchosen, which is why the the story is named unchosen, is their word for a non-believer. Or Sam was like, "Oh, that's a word for gentile."

[00:20:43]>> Yep. A gentile, not an apostate. No, no one that's ever, it's not someone that was a part of it at one point, but just unchosen >> or in other words, unlucky.

[00:20:52]>> Those unlucky souls that didn't get that weren't born into the very few chosen people.

[00:20:59]>> Yeah. The story at the end of this episode really flips to Ros's husband does confront and tell the leader in church meetings that his brother had a cell phone, right? So he rats out his brother and the process of that, you know, obviously we knew technology wasn't allowed at this point because of the way they looked at him from having a phone to begin with. But when he tells on his brother, there's a physical shunning. Everybody turns their backs.

[00:21:30]Well, they like drag him down to the middle. They all turn their backs. And something that it said that I was like, "Oh my gosh, this sounds like Warren Jeffs." was they said Hannah and his children that Hannah was the brother's wife the man who had had the cell phone Hannah and his children must be protected from him and may the sinner repent and return to the fold. So he was being sent away to repent. Um, but the fact that they talked so much about that his wife and his children needed to be protected and that they hoped that he would take this seriously because if not he would lose his family.

[00:22:07]>> Yeah. Well, because according to them, Satan because he had the phone, Satan had control of his mind. So, he made this mistake and now he was in control of uh or Satan was in control of him.

[00:22:18]Therefore, his family wasn't safe. This type of thing was exactly or very similar to what Warren Jeffs would do publicly. He would get over the pulpit sometimes and say that these men uh were not obeying. They were doing all of this evil stuff, whatever it was. I don't forget. I don't remember all of this things that he claimed they were doing, but basically they were going against God's will. And therefore, they had to leave the community, leave their families, and go repent. And this is kind of what they're saying here is that he needs to go and be separated from everyone and have a chance to repent.

[00:22:55]And if he chooses to repent, he can he can come back, but if not, then he is shunned forever. And something that his brother said that told the leaders that he had a phone is that I'm sure we'll get more information on this later, but he said, "You're lucky I only said that you had a phone. If they knew everything, you wouldn't be welcome here ever again." So obviously there's more to the story.

[00:23:19]>> There's more to the story and it can get to the point where he is completely excommunicated and shunned. Well, and like as you know, it just seems so extreme, right, for a phone, but that's the type of stuff that the Lost Boys, like with one of the first waves of young boys being kicked out from the FLDS when Warren just was kicking out, not just the adult men who were literally getting kicked out during services and their wives and kids couldn't even say anything to them as they were leaving, right?

[00:23:47]>> Yeah. I mean, wave goodbye. Here's the thing, too, that you have to remember is when the prophet of the church stands up at the pulpit and says these awful things about your husband or your dad, >> you're going to immediately assume, no matter how loving your dad has been or how much you respect him or husband, you're going to immediately assume that he is a bad person now >> because that's what the prophet of God is saying that he is. And so now immediately because of those couple words said over the pulpit, your entire family shuns you as well. And they they kind of are afraid of you in in a sense.

[00:24:27]And so yeah, they kind of back up and say, "Okay, we you know, and then they don't want to get in trouble by going and giving him a hug or something." And so in some cases, they literally just had to get their things and leave without even a goodbye.

[00:24:41]>> Yeah. I have heard that some of the men it was a little bit less uh I guess I don't know there was a little bit more love shown and there was like hugs goodbye to their family and things like that but in some cases it was just get your things and go you're not welcome here.

[00:24:59]>> Yeah. And that was with the grown men.

[00:25:01]And what I want to point out is that the lost boys were young boys that were being sent away for like going and sneaking out and seeing a movie or getting online or listening to gentile music and those type of things. Warren could really kick anybody out for anything whenever he wanted. And living in St. George, I saw a lot of young boys, again, they were called the Lost Boys when they were being sent out as teenagers and thrown on the streets. And different people in St. George would take in these boys. Um, we had someone in our neighborhood that had taken in one of these lost boys and, you know, got him into high school and and took him in as part of their family. So, but it being over a phone, as crazy as that sounds, that was still something that was or a phone with internet or the FLDS rules, like you said, like music, movies, talking to a girl, kissing a girl, having a girlfriend, things like that. Uh it seems so small and yet it really could rip them away from their families.

[00:26:01]>> Yeah. Honestly, I I must say I'm surprised I wasn't kicked out of the community. I left when I was 18. I chose to leave and uh thankfully I did have a lot of help from the outside once I did.

[00:26:14]Like you said, people took the Lost Boys in. People were still willing to be there and help me as well. And so I got lucky to have uh amazing families that helped me out. But I'm surprised honestly that I wasn't kicked out earlier because I definitely was not following all the rules.

[00:26:29]>> I guess I was better at hiding it.

[00:26:32]>> I don't know. But I definitely I did get caught a few times. Not like in the act necessarily, but uh just PE, you know, there was rumors and so my parents would confront me and say, "Hey, did you do such and such?" And in some cases, I would just straight up say exactly what I was doing. And uh I guess I never did anything extremely bad, but anyway, it seems like some of these boys were kicked out for less than what I did.

[00:27:00]>> Yeah. Super.

[00:27:01]>> Some of the FLDS boys.

[00:27:02]>> The FLDS boys. Yes.

[00:27:04]>> Yeah. And so in this the episode kind of ends on the fact that he's now locked in. It's interesting that they sent him away for repentance. They locked him in his own house in a room with nothing but a bed. And when they said, "We hope you hear your family and we hope you hear them laughing and knowing that you can't have access to them until you fully repent and so that you know what you will have to lose." Right? So talk about the ultimate control and hanging over your head and that's something that you heard with the wives of Warren Jeffs or different women in the community too where they were told in the FLDS community that you know if you don't stay in line I'm going to take your you could lose your children. Samuel Baitman said that to some of his wives right like oh if you don't step back in line I'm going to take your kid I'm going to take our kids away from you. You will be shunned. you will be sent away. And so the amount of control and power when a religious leader can tell you whether or not you're allowed to be with your family is insane and terrifying and heartbreaking.

[00:28:15]>> Yeah. It's the ultimate control. to have that control to take away your kids and knowing because you raised your kids to believe that this is a prophet of God.

[00:28:26]Your wife and your kids are going to do whatever the prophet of God in quotation marks here says and tells them to do.

[00:28:34]So, he has all the control over you. All of it.

[00:28:38]>> And that's a very, very scary thing. And I think that the show did a good job showing how, yes, they were sad, but how willing his family was to just let him be sent off. I They didn't send him far.

[00:28:51]He was just in his own house, but either way to send him away out of sight and unable to be there with his family.

[00:28:59]>> Yeah. And then it showed the leader like with his wife and kids praying for him, right? So obviously emotionally involving his family in a way that not only are they missing him and he's like right there, but they don't have access to him, but just reiterating that they need to pray hard and they need to be worthy as well to help him come back to them, which is another level of emotional control over his wife and children, right? Because it's going to feel like if he doesn't, well, we prayed our hardest or maybe we didn't or we did something wrong, you know? Oh, did we pray hard enough for him? Or, oh, he chose something over us. Like, there's just so much emotion when you're dealing with coercion of families and separation of families. So, that was really, really sad. It looks like the show is going to get to more thriller type because the man in the woods that helped get Rosy's daughter out of the creek, we now see escaped out of prison.

[00:29:57]>> Yep.

[00:29:58]>> And we don't know his story. So, I don't know how much more continued religious stuff there's going to be. We will keep you guys posted. We might do like a couple episodes. If there's not a religious a lot of religious comparison and kind of combine a couple, maybe there'll be a ton every episode. So, just stick along if you want to stick along for that journey. Don't forget to like and subscribe so you can uh hear commentary on that. But it was interesting going from Samuel Baitman documentary, the most extreme of, okay, here's the FLDS, and then here's someone who's going to take it and just make it even >> more controlling and more extreme, and then right behind it comes this show that's like, it's fictional, but is it?

[00:30:39]>> I mean, they're definitely basing it off of a lot of true events.

[00:30:45]Let's say that. I don't think they're basing it off of one specific family or group, but >> it's very obvious that someone did some research. Yeah.

[00:30:55]>> Based on actual events going on in today's world and in recent years. And uh yeah, it's interesting. Also, this guy that escaped prison that helped save the young girl uh Ros's daughter. Uh obviously there's a lot to his story, but just the interaction that Rosie had when she first met him >> Yeah. is something that is also something that I would see and feel in the FLDS where when we would see an outsider and in some cases they are very kind or they do something very nice and you kind of look at them like you know like very intrigued very I just like you you have so many questions about the outside world and you see someone from there that's supposed to be these bad unchosen people and they do something nice uh you opens a lot of questions and you have to wonder especially when you go back to your group and you start seeing and noticing all of the control when you see that in the outside world they have a lot more freedom and can still be nice people.

[00:32:00]>> Yeah. And I think especially in her case where she was told not to go and the leader said do not go look after your daughter. She did. And if she hadn't, she wouldn't have been able to scream for help and her daughter would have drowned. And on top of that, having one of these, I'm doing air quotes, unchosen gentiles, whatever you want to call them, one of these outsiders, be the one to save her. And then her watching these men in the church take credit. And I think that combination of her getting in trouble, but her knowing like her motherly instinct of like this is what I needed to do to save my daughter. This outside person that should be a wicked evil person also saved my daughter. And yeah, there's definitely you can see the doubts starting to creep in. So where that goes from here will be really interesting to see.

[00:32:47]>> Yeah. Also, one last thing with if the one brother hadn't had a cell phone to call an ambulance, who knows if the young daughter would have survived. So there's three things that are all quote unquote bad that are against everything that her beliefs stand for up to that point. And if those three things hadn't been involved, then her daughter would have been dead.

[00:33:10]>> Yeah.

[00:33:11]>> So, >> so motherly instincts, right? That's the that's the moral of that story is >> even if the person that is controlling you says >> this is what you have to do because >> if you have these instincts or this gut feeling that no this is not right I must do something else then I think that's the moral of the story here.

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