China and the US Just Declared Silver "Critical". Here's Why. w/ Collin Plume

[00:00:00]This is what's really happening with gold and silver right now. One of China's biggest trading banks just straight up stopped trading paper gold.

[00:00:08]Now, that's huge because it tells you that the smart money is walking away from the fake stuff [music] and moving into real physical metal. So, today we're going to get into all the technical and dig deep into all the details here. So, get ready for this. My guest is Colin Plume and he's [music] not some talking head guessing about the markets. He's been inside the physical gold and silver industry for almost 18 years. So, while other people are just watching charts and speculating, this [music] guy is seeing the actual buying and selling in real time, and he's also seen firsthand how central banks, governments, [music] and everyday families are all moving in the same direction right now. So, we also got into this wild story from 1942 during the Manhattan Project when the US military just took 14,000 tons of silver from the Treasury. They didn't ask for permission, they just took it. Now, here's the part that actually affects you. They're actually two different gold and silver markets. One made up of paper and one made up of real metal. And right now, they're telling two completely different stories. [music] The price that you see on your screen, that's a paper price. And billions of dollars just fled the world's biggest gold fund while the big players are quietly loading up on the real thing.

[00:01:16]So, we're going to show you exactly who is selling [music] and who is buying.

[00:01:20]But meanwhile, both the US and China recently labeled silver a critical metal. Governments don't just do that for fun. They do it when something's coming, when they know something is coming. [music] So if any of your savings, retirement, your family's future is sitting in dollars right now, you need to see that there's a gap between the paper and the real. And because once you do that, you'll never look at these numbers the same way again.

[00:01:43]Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth House. On this show, I talk [music] to real Americans with real solutions to the problems that we're all facing today. I help you connect the dots between what's happening [music] now and the decisions that powerful people made in the past. Because once we understand how we got here, we can learn from it and build a better future. Now, before we start, please hit that like button. It helps with a lot with the algorithm, whatever platform you're tuning in from. Just helps to get this information out to more people. Also, please make sure that you subscribe and share this with someone who really needs to hear it. And let me know what your thoughts are in the comments. And remember, every Man in America show is done as a podcast as well. So, if you want to just listen instead of watch, just go your favorite podcast app. If you use Apple podcast and you want to do me a real favor, leave a review on there. Apple really prioritizes the podcast that have those reviews. So, if you like the show, leave a review and it will help me to reach even more people.

[00:02:36]All right, let's get started with this interview with Colin Plume.

[00:02:40]Colin, it's uh it's good, man, to to have you on. It's been gosh a little over a month or so I think since we last did an interview and there's a lot of questions I have and I want to kind of just just kind of to have a sober and just solid conversation about where the markets are at what's happening and anyway looking forward to getting into this with you. So thanks for being here.

[00:03:01]>> Absolutely. Good to be on. Always a pleasure. good to I know caught up a little bit off air and excited to be on with you and talk about uh the summer, the markets, silver, gold, everything that's uh that's on people's minds right now.

[00:03:15]>> Well, perfect, man. So, you know, one one question, you know, I have so we're looking right now and I've been tracking precious metals for you probably, you know, well over a decade and um you really kind of paying attention to things and what I'm seeing right now is, you know, when we came into this year and we saw that that spike, silver hitting up into, you know, approaching 120, gold getting close to, you know, 5,400 around 5,400. Um and it seemed like that a lot of that was reflective of very real kind of fundamental things happening in the market, right? supply demand um you know you know need for you know new manufacturing solar a lot of things that were happening data centers um you know mining stuff but also what we're seeing is that there was this from what it looked like this breakdown in the paper manipulation where the the system that was set up to I mean in essence to kind of rig the prices right and convince people to invest in paper silver and paper gold you know earlier this here we saw that even some very big banks were pushing back you know bullion delivery four 6 weeks out and there was a lot of real I think momentum towards this idea of of that paper system really kind of breaking as a real price was being revealed you know I feel like that we're also seeing a lot of kind of tricks coming out from the bankers to keep trying to suppress this and so I think the fundamentals are still there um and so I just want to see what's your perspective on what's happening because I'm looking at this right now thinking okay silver for instance was at 120 just earlier this year it's now hovering around 60 to me it seems like okay hey this is the opportunity um you know in a similar place with gold but I want to get your perspective from being inside of this industry and seeing things that most people aren't aware of >> yeah so I I look at the two biggest things that I think about Seth is uh number one just last week one China's biggest trading banks stop the the trade of of paper gold. They they don't want people trading in paper gold. Uh they saw a lot of manipulation. They're moving away from there's a lot of reports on this out that they just they want to get people away from trading the paper in in China uh and really focusing more on the physical. And I think a lot of it has to do with the, you know, the volatility we saw over the last 12 to 18 months. So that's thing and that and that's that's pretty important that a that a major institution would get out of the paper trading market. Uh it's so profitable to not have to move gold, to not actually have to buy any gold. And so for them to get away with it, they know that the the exposure is too high for them uh and also for for people buying it with them. So that's the first thing that I would talk about. And then I just talk about what happened earlier this year and people are saying to me, well, the price pulled back. Um, who's selling? Why is the price moving back?

[00:06:24]And it's interesting. And really, if you look at the numbers, uh, ETF, GLD, uh, 14.4 billion in outflows starting March 1st all the way till the end of May. So you had the the biggest ETF liquidations in history and and who are those people? And it's mostly hedge funds. It's people getting out of positions that have been in it for a long time, profit taking. I mean, that's why a lot of people would would get out of gold on the paper side. Uh but really on the physical side, you haven't seen that amount of selling. So it's just the the contract selling. So I I think that's the thing that people should keep in mind is that it it's really the the paper selling that's pushed a lot of the price down.

[00:07:16]>> Okay, just to make sure that I'm following along with this. Okay, so you say uh SLV and GLD, right? These are these are the ETFs. These are paper gold, right? So basically it's almost my my kind of layman's term understanding of it. It's like I'm buying a a paper that is roughly tied to the price of physical gold, yet I can trade it on the open market. And so if I wanted to go buy, say, a million dollars in gold and hold it and sell it in a month, for a lot of people, they're going to go buy that GLD, they're going to buy the gold ETF, which is the paper representation of that gold because they can get in, they can get out very quickly the same way that you would go buy Apple or Tesla and then sell it a month later. And so if I understand correctly, you're saying that from, you know, this time in March heading into April, May that we saw some of the biggest holders of that paper just kind of dumping it, kind of really exiting their paper positions basically, which >> and even though the paper market is separate from the physical market, I they're they're very closely tied, right? So am I correct in saying that a bank could say >> exit a large paper position of gold or silver dump it into the market which would then cause like say you know someone sold a huge shareholder of Apple that's dumped 10% you know the equivalent 10% of the Apple stock into the market the price would drop down so like they could use that to then that would then tie into the physical price as well is that right 100%. And also let's tie that into what's happening on the physical market. Obviously we're a physical gold and silver dealer. So what we saw and what the industry saw was the most liquidations in the physical market in October, November, December and January was the was the apex for the whole industry which was the peak that was the peak of gold and silver. And these were on our side these were clients that had bought gold and silver from us. Some of them have bought it at gold at 1300. Some of them have bought silver at 14 or $15 an ounce. Well, fast forward to January, the price is 120. If you bought silver at 14 or 15 or 18 or 20 or 30 even those some of those people, you know, took profit in their IRA, um gold the same. Some of them bought gold in the, you know, the 13-400 range and then gold was at 5,400. So on the physical side, a lot of them sold in their IAS, went back into cash. Then the slowing dipped on the physical side in February, March, and now fast forward to last month, the lowest amount of liquidations that we've had in two or three years on the physical side. And that's also how it's been in terms of the industry.

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[00:11:07]I think the thing that's interesting is that you see in March the paper market March to May liquidations paper paper paper price pulls back the physical selling of gold had already slowed down and now we're at the lowest point in terms of physical in terms of our company and from what I've heard in terms of the industry the amount of liquidations has slowed down and some of our clients that bought in an IRA and sold in January and are sitting in cash are coming back into the market because they saw a huge profit, went back into cash. They didn't pay any tax because they're they're in their IRA, so it's all tax deferred. And now they're coming back in because they like the price in the, you know, $4,000 range for gold and they like the price for silver. uh you know other clients obviously had liquidated maybe they're using some of the money but then they're like well what I'm making.7% in a in a money market or some of these accounts how am I going to get a decent return so a lot of them are coming back into the market so it's that's the physical side and that's the story that I think people don't realize is that there's really kind of two markets there's the physical market and the paper market and a lot of times they're not moving in the in the same kind ways and people are doing different things for different regions. Most of the liquidation from March to May on the paper market and GLD was people like you mentioned Seth that like you know you could leveraged a million dollars of gold with 50,000 and and maybe they they timed the market wrong and they're they're taking a bath and they're trying to get out. So people on the paper market are are trying to do things in a much different way than the actual physical buyers of gold. And then you look at the physical, the central banks, no slowing down. Royal Gold Council came out with just a report. Everybody is on pace. We're going to get to a thousand tons by central banks again this year.

[00:13:06]So those buyers aren't slowing down and they're buying the actual gold. They're not buying the GLD or the SLV if that makes sense.

[00:13:13]>> Yes. Which is kind of interesting looking at I try to look at the kind of zooming out and say, okay, what are the trends and the patterns, right? And I think what you're seeing, you obviously had have a lot of the retail, you know, activity, right? Like what you mentioned, you know, you're dealing with a lot of retail customers that are coming in with an IRA. They're buying and yeah, you know, because I'm I'm also I had a lot of relationships in the gold and silver and jewelry industry. And I I kept a lot of those relationships open.

[00:13:40]So I I I like kind of talking, hey, what are they seeing as big coin dealers or refiners? And yeah, I mean earlier this year, January, you December, January, February, they were so backed up.

[00:13:53]Everyone was saying, "Hey, my goodness, wow, this this silver is worth so much now. They're selling and they're selling and they're selling, right? There's it was actually overwhelming the suppliers or it was overwhelming, sorry, the buyers and overwhelming the refiners that were buying um you know, continental silver, scrap silver, etc. And so uh but it's kind of shifting. And so when you when you say that the central banks though are still buying I I'd seen something recently I think it was China and I know that China's they you know like most things they have a veil of secrecy over much of what they're doing but from what I recall their their buying of physical gold is exponentially increasing. Um and they're simultaneously they're dumping more and more treasury bonds. uh which I think is there's also the big threat Japan dumping treasury bonds. So I mean it seems like you know though I feel like that I've been talking about this for you know three or four years this idea of ddollarization this idea of the emergence of the bricks people losing trust and faith in the US dollar as we keep printing and printing and printing and moving towards metals. It seems like that is just accelerating uh where sovereign banks and central banks are are kind of moving even harder into just to physical metals and moving away from paper whether it's paper treasury bonds or paper gold and paper silver 100%. And and also, you know, what are the options? I always look at options.

[00:15:24]Like what are everyone's options out there? You know, another tangible investment that people that like precious metals like is real estate. And I think you and I both thought we were going to see some good news um you know, on the real estate front. But now with inflation, reported inflation going higher, there's not much that Kevin Wars can do in terms of lowering interest rates. Um, you saw the 30-year Treasury continue to go higher, which is going to push the 10-year Treasury higher. Um, 30-year mortgages are not coming down.

[00:15:56]So, there's a massive collapse coming in commercial real estate. Uh, we're seeing more and more foreclosures. We're seeing more and more properties go back to the bank. So, where can you get that that kind of safe return um in a physical item that you owned?

[00:16:12]And and I think a lot of us thought real estate would be coming back sooner than later. and it doesn't look like the real estate market's going to have the the thing that it needs, which it really needs lower interest rates uh to get things moving again. I I do think he's going to do quantitative easing, which will put some money out in the market because I do think he's going to want to do something. He's even, you know, talked about maybe raising interest rates, uh which obviously that would completely collapse, uh the real estate market. So, I have a hard time believing that's going to happen. But, you know, there's really just not a lot of options out there. The average uh savings account right now is paying.7%.

[00:16:50]So where can you get a return that's going to keep up with at least the government inflation numbers which are closer to 4%. You know, how do you get those kind of returns? And I think it's going to just come back to commodities.

[00:17:02]Copper's a lot of people are talking about copper and gold and silver. It's just it's it's one of the true things that will continue to go up over time because most things are not a necessity.

[00:17:14]That's the thing about gold and silver.

[00:17:16]They continue to be necessities in today's world from solar panels to electric vehicles to everything out there and then you just see the central banks continuing to buy it. It's really you can control your destiny with precious metals long term. Whereas a lot of things out there, AI, you know, the unpredictability of AI, I have people asking me about it every day. And and I think there's a lot that could potentially go wrong in the AI bubble. I think we're going to go through another like a 2001 collapse, you know, like we saw in the dotcom bubble. I think we're going to see an AI collapse. So, there's just not a lot of uh investments that that feel much safer that people will actually need and want uh in this new economy.

[00:17:58]>> Yeah, I I I I couldn't agree more. And it's it's kind of I mean it you know it just again it's it's we're kind of living in an era right now of a lot of uncertainty right it's almost like trying to predict what's going to happen with Iran. It's like oh yeah it's going to be a two or three week operation.

[00:18:15]It's like okay I feel like that we're in kind of Iraq 2.0 right or the war on terror 2.0 now because it's it's it's just not settling down. But you in terms of even looking it's like where >> like say you're sitting on a million dollar IRA >> where do you put it right cuz say your advisor is like oh hey you know SpaceX this is where to be well there you go there there's your haircut for the month of if if you bought SpaceX early on you know short after its IPO but you know even the stock market which has done you you know objectively fantastic however it's like it does until it doesn't and if you're look you mentioned the you the 2001 one you the.com you kind of bus I mean I feel like that the AI it's almost like you take the scale of the dot collapse it's like what we're seeing now it's like they've taken that and they've inflated it 100 times over because it's almost because that bubble has also matched the the printing and the increasing of the the money supply and so it's like the whole thing is it just feels like everything is just >> kind of on the edge of of chaos I guess you could say not to be a fearmonger That's just the sense I have.

[00:19:25]>> Well, and let's talk about global defense, our spending. You know, it's we're we're talking about three trillion a year. Um, it's it's a pretty massive amount of of spending on everything that's happening. Iran, everything that's out, you know, protecting ourselves, you know, and a lot of people aren't aware in 1942, this is a story a lot of people aren't aware of. During the Manhattan Project, the the government needed metals and they copper was rationed and they didn't, you know, they didn't know where to go. So, they actually the military actually bought they actually borrowed 14,000 tons of silver from the US Treasury and they didn't ask anybody's permission. They just did it. And so people don't realize like it's just another use of silver that is it's just not talked about enough. And I and I think when you talk about, you know, military spending and how much the government needs and I I think I told you in my book, I tried a million different ways to find out for my silver book how much silver the government needs. And I couldn't find out any of the numbers. Um but you know we've seen this happen from time where the government needs more of these metals and they're not going to ask they're just going to take. Right. And so last year you have the US government and the Chinese government make silver a critical metal. It's because they need it for military. They need it for electric vehic.

[00:20:55]They don't want to publicize it too much. But when they make it a critical metal, when they say that they need it silver, they're saying that they're going to do everything in their power to keep it and hoard it. And China and the US are doing that. So, you know, people think like, oh, you know, with silver, the volatility, and that like what's my long-term projection? It's like, well, if it wasn't in demand, why would China and the US do that? They've never done that. The US has never made silver a critical metal. So they obviously know they're going to need it for the future.

[00:21:30]The US imports twothirds of its silver that it uses in this country. So they're trying to gobble up as much silver as possible, but they want to make sure that they don't have to pay an exorbitant price. So they don't want to create this hysteria where they're telling people like, "Yeah, we actually need way more silver than we're we're talking about." Because they know the price will go up. So, I guarantee you, I know who the buyer, one of the buyers of silver is below $60 an ounce. It's the US government. It's because they're they want to buy it at this price and they'll continue to buy it. So, it's an opportunity for them. Just like a lot of the Noble Gold clients are seeing an opportunity at this price. You know, that's the thing is like if you're going to buy and people bought it at 100, 110, they bought silver, they bought gold at 5,400. They should be looking at this as a massive buying opportunity. Um, and and we've seen gold and silver move like a stairst step. They go up, they level off, they go up, they level off. And so I I really truly believe that's the dynamic that we're in right now is you have this massive demand. There was a sell-off on the paper markets in gold and silver and now you're seeing the true buyers come to the table and they buy the physical metal and they're not worried about the paper metal because we know the paper market is all just fluff.

[00:22:47]We know it almost collapsed last year. I mean you saw it. I mean everything LBMA everywhere. They said they didn't have enough. They didn't have delivery. I mean it's really just to suppress the price. It's really not an indication of the demand of of these two metals.

[00:23:01]>> I couldn't agree more. And actually, I found an article, you know, kind of looking at China. Um, this is just that just came out. It says Goldman Sachs note hints that China's real gold accumulation may be much more than double official numbers. Um, it says that Goldman Sachs estimates that China bought 48 tons of gold via the London OTC market in May. Nearly five times the official 10 tons reported with central bank buying uh seen underpinning prices amid hawkish Fed pricing. And and that's that's again this is what you're seeing, right? Is it's like these China central banks, other sovereign banks, they're not looking at this the same way a lot of retail investors do where they're looking at and they're watching and say, "Oh, well, you know, it might go down a little bit more or they know what they're buying." And you know if you couple this information together with the other report that we talked about how China has shut basically yeah the Chinese paper gold is shutting down uh the paper gold trading right this is there's something much bigger going on here and if you look at again really the two competing superpowers in this world are China and the United States and it's really it's it's kind of the the age-old tale since I've been alive right that there's this this competition between the two of them. And a lot of this does come down to what's happening in these markets. But it's almost like you can get this sense that whether it's these governments, the central banks, or even these wealthy family offices that they see that something is coming and they are quietly moving. It's like Buffett moving into his largest cash position, moving out of the stock market. Like there's something coming and there's these indicators. It's really hard to pinpoint exactly when it's going to happen, but I don't know. I mean, do you get that sense too that there's just there's a big shift that's on the horizon.

[00:24:54]>> Yeah, 100%. And and I think, you know, in terms of the industry, it's it it's I've seen it. I've been in the industry for almost 18 years now, and it's like you have these, you know, growth times and then you have like in the pullback and you see companies close and go out of business and we're seeing that this year. there. Some of our competitors have shut their doors and we're getting a lot more phone calls uh from people, but we're seeing a consolidation. Uh a lot of it just has to do with like who can can rise above and continue to operate business and and deliver and and do things the right way, which Noble Gold has been able to do. And and the other thing is like it's just like a boom and bust. A lot of these companies just survive in the boom time, but they don't when the metals pull back a little bit, they just have a hard time. And so I think there's a consolidation in the industry. A lot more data is coming out about companies. Uh but we at Noble Gold have really just risen up. This has been our staff average staff right now is almost seven years with Noble Gold.

[00:25:53]We've only been in business for 10 years. Uh so it's been really amazing to see this consolidation, this pullback, and then what I'm seeing a lot of now is just a lot of clients coming back, referring people. Um it's really starting to take shape. So, I think we're in the next uh bull cycle. We're going to see this runup again. And uh I'm just excited to see where things go.

[00:26:15]>> What's also important for me because, you know, anything financial, especially for people dealing with their nest egg, right, their IRA, etc. That it's a big deal. And I I've had a lot of companies come to me and they'll say, "Hey, look, you know, we'll offer you large sums of money to promote our our gold and silver." And I I you know in the past I've looked into it and you find out or actually what I've done is like I will call them as a customer because like I know the industry right you can't fool me. And I remember when I first started working with you this is probably almost six or maybe five years ago. I called in and I talked to one of your guys, one of your one of your salespeople and didn't say who I was and I was probing them.

[00:26:58]How do you price things? Like what percentages do you what's your commission? How does this all work? And I was like, "Oh, okay." Like, "This is actually really good because there's these other companies that they're charging a, you know, huge premium and then they can offer they offer these influencers huge paychecks because fundamentally though, they're they're kind of robbing, you know, the the client to pay the other influencer and I I would be able to sleep well with that, right? Like my my own mom just finished transferring her IRA over into a a gold with you guys, right, with Noble Gold.

[00:27:27]And so that's that's an important thing.

[00:27:29]thing. It's also, you know, I went and looked at the reviews and you had the occasional thing. It's like, oh, like my package um it took an extra two days to get my package to arrive or but you know, fundamentally it's just there's there's a positive track record which is you you mentioned you know another you know there's a big gold and silver dealer that just went bankrupt and that's you know they owe you tens of millions of dollars to clients. So it was it was you know it's almost more you peel back the layer it looks like it was a little of a Ponzi scheme and so that's what's made me even more confident in just saying okay hey because I feel the responsibility to the audience if I say hey I I believe in this I I I want to make sure that I actually do believe in it because >> that's you know like I won't sell my integrity for for a fat paycheck. It's just not how I operate.

[00:28:12]>> Yeah. Yeah. And and unfortunately there are a lot of people that do and you know at the end of the day we even tell people when they call us check us out check out our reviews. Uh you can uh last like 90 days I mean I think we have like we've added like 80 reviews uh real clients, people experiences. It's important to check things out and and you know take your time when you're doing something like this. But I think at the end of the day the nice thing is you're buying physical metals. You own it. You're in control of it. If you're doing an IRA, we're going to walk you through it, help you with the paperwork.

[00:28:43]For shipping, we're going to ship to your doorstep safely, quickly. Um, you can read in the reviews uh people's actual experience they have with us. But at the end of the day, we put our money where our mouth is. We make sure that we get it to you quickly. The product's perfect. Uh, and then also what's really important and a lot of people forget is like liquidation. You want to have a company that will buy back. You know, people that buy from uh dealers that go out of business, they're calling us.

[00:29:08]people buy from Costco, you know, they're buying, they're calling us to liquidate and we can buy back. So, you have a safe place to to sell when when you want to take that profit. And a lot of people that liquidated in January and made a huge profit, they were happy we're there to to take care of them and do it quickly and safely. And now, you know, they're coming back in because they like the price. So, it's a it's a two-way street with us, Seth, and that's important. Uh, but at the end of the day, we'll continue to do that. And you know, I think, you know, people always joke about it, but it's like once we have this conversation and gold's at $10,000 an ounce, we'll look back and we'll realize that, you know, we were in the right place at the right time and um you know, there's going to be a lot of people that have will profit pretty substantially from from that and also be able to take care of their family and protect their family in a in a great way. And that's really the majority of our clients are family people that are looking to to protect themselves and protect their nest egg and protect what they build. And and a lot of them are doing that with uh with precious metals.

[00:30:10]>> Exactly. And so uh for people that are interested in contacting Colin, your team, we've got a really easy website set up. It's just goldwithth.com.

[00:30:20]You can fill out the form here or you can just call in 877-646-5347.

[00:30:26]Those details are also in the uh description below. And I can just again my own mom just finished up. She's working with Micah, right? You know, I interview sometimes and she had a great experience. Actually, the trouble came from her own custodian, her own, you know, kind of bank that didn't want to release her funds and because they're like, "Oh, you can move into this instead and everything. They don't want you going into something they can't keep profiting off of."

[00:30:47]>> Um, but anyway, she she had a seamless experience with it. And so, um, yeah, I I look at this and I'm saying right now is the opportunity. This is the buying opportunity. The fundamentals haven't changed. What's changed has been the dumping of the paper markets, manipulation by the banks. You know, it's kind of a story as old as time, but I think that that is kind of it's it's shifting. Um, so anyway, Colin, thank you again for giving us your time. Um, and also thank for, you know, for all the people that are watching, listening that have worked with Noble Gold, I thank you, too, because that's one of the best ways you can support my show and that's what's allowed me to be independent. I don't have anybody over my shoulder saying, "Seth, don't say this." because um I I don't take I don't take orders very easily anyway. So um but that's also because you this has business been a big part of that. So yeah, thank you very much Colin. It's always great catching up with you.

[00:31:36]>> Absolutely. Talk soon. And anyone looking for free information or want to talk to somebody, a real person, uh give us a call at Novable Investments.

[00:31:43]>> All right, take care. Thank you, Colin.

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