The podcast masterfully reframes personal joy as a radical act of defiance, turning the simple pursuit of happiness into a sophisticated form of political resistance. It’s a sharp reminder that in a world designed to exhaust you, protecting your peace is the ultimate victory.
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Stefon Diggs Not Guilty, the Return of Migos, and Do We Need the Met Gala? | Higher LearningAdded:
Yo yo yo thought warriors. What is up?
Our learning is on. It's I Van Le Jr.
>> and it's me Rachel and Lindsay.
>> Um so wait a second now. I had something to say at the top of the show. Oh. Oh I did. I did.
>> Okay. Cuz I had something to say, too.
>> What do you have? You go first.
>> No. No. You go first. No, you go first.
You go. No. No. Seriously, you go first cuz I'm going to talk for a long time.
>> I just have to say >> what >> that this week Van basically a star is born.
>> A star is born.
>> A star. We have to talk about this now.
I never doubted you. As you know, Netflix is a joke going on. Van did his comedic set. He did in true fashion go over time, >> but he was telling a story. He he had us captivated from the very moment. I said I told him after the show I said I feel like I have to eulogize the podcast at this point because because I I feel like a star is born and you might >> you might be on the road here. You could do the whole thing. It was very good.
>> I thought the punch line was going to come at the end of the story. You were you were like sprinkling in jokes throughout. He you had him by the palm of your hand the whole time. Just like this. Just like this.
>> Just like No, no, no. I didn't do that.
But that does in true van fashion as well. That of course the joke was sexual. It >> was sexual.
>> Of course we got there.
>> But you were very good. I have to call.
You were very good. I know you were nervous, but it was it it was a really good thing and I hope you do it again.
>> Guys, I wasn't nervous. I was dying. I was like legitimately I went through the the reason why if you guys if my energy is a little low and it's been low on the podcast all week is because I was drained by the emotional fear. I have no idea why I was so paralyzed with >> I do I would never be I could not do that and I'm not as scared like things like that don't scare me. I would be terrified to do that. So, >> and then listening to how good the other comedians were, did that make it worse?
Everybody was good. These are non- comedians.
>> Yeah. Eric Bet Macy Gray was [ __ ] amazing. So, good. So, like I'm But when I got up there, Eric Benet made it worse for me because when I got up there, he was nervous.
>> Oh, he was.
>> All the women upstairs in the green room were having such a phenomenal time. They were laughing. You know, they were Latinas. They were speaking Spanish and going crazy and everybody was going crazy was the energy and Eric Benet was in a room off to the side pacing back and forth and like I I looked at him and he looked at me I was like bro I am [ __ ] scared. I was like dog I can't do this. I was like Eric I can't do it right I can't do this and he was like it's weird I can sing at the Hollywood Bowl in front of like 20,000 people but this is different. I had some drinks and the drinks were killing the people.
>> And Van is not a drinker. So that's So there you go.
>> Then Francesca comes over and she goes, "Okay, no more drinks because if you have another drink, you're gonna get drunk." Then I went downstairs. They were like, "It's your time to go up." I went downstairs and when I went downstairs, I was sitting in the corner like this. And I was like I was literally looking at Kica. I was like, "I don't think I can do it. I'm not going to be able to go up there and do it."
>> Yeah. She kept coming over to us and she was like, "I got to go back to van."
>> She was like, "I'm just coming to see y'all, but I got to go back to van." I was like, "Please go do your thing." But after I did it, it was it was fun. It was interesting. I think I'm going again on July 17th with Ida. I think I'm going again. I have a >> You're going where? On the road.
>> I'm going on the road. I have I wrote a Charlie Kirk joke. Do you guys want to hear it?
>> Don't you want to save it for the show?
>> Yeah. I want to I want to I want to >> No, no, no. That's We're not doing that.
>> I want to prep the joke and then we can take the joke out.
>> We're not testing the jokes.
>> I did the same thing on the Midnight Boys.
>> You guys want to hear the joke? Cuz we have some people that are observing.
workshop it.
>> Would you guys like to hear the joke?
>> I don't know if we can have a We'd have a choice, but go ahead. We support you.
>> Uh, I'm not going to do this set. I'm going to do the same set >> that I did before on the 17th, but >> you know, I was going to tell the story of By the way, we have to take that out of the podcast. We have to bleep it, but like the joke.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But like, yeah, you said that.
Yeah. That's >> We know what will come after. We're going to have some kind of Erica Kirk video. I don't know who she'll dress as this time. you know, >> got to skip some steps. We got to get there. Oh, this is what I wanted to say before we get into the podcast. Uh, there's a guy I've been seeing these videos and they've been going viral >> um of this gentleman that I think is in Tennessee. I don't know if you guys have heard of this guy who is uh running around uh >> Oh, saying the N word.
>> Saying the N word.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Now, as these videos continue to find me, you know, I have thoughts.
Um, you know, I've said here before that part of my duty to my ancestors is to not endure any pain that they had to endure. So a lot of times when someone says the n-word or when they call you that, you think of the fact that there was once a time when people were called that that and they couldn't respond and you need to respond and assert your strength to make their sacrifice for that strength uh to to respect that sacrifice. You need to make sure that you stand up for people who couldn't stand up. And you know, I've thought about that for a long time and I've operated under that um operating paradigm for a long time.
That's been my modus operandi for a long time with dealing with disrespect particularly from white people. But I thought about something in this situation that my ancestors actually wanted for me more.
>> What's that?
>> Joy.
>> For >> they wanted joy for me. what my ancestors and what my great-grandfather, Big Papa, uh what Big Mama, what all of the old black people wanted for me more than anything was joy.
>> They wanted me to experience freedom, joy, uh and existence in this society without being scared, >> without being anger, be angry because the most radical revolutionary thing that a black person in America can experience is joy. is joy under the construction of this country that is meant to kill them. Therefore, the most important, the single most important job or way to show strength uh that any black person, any person that's living in this country in a situation where they're marginalized, oppressed, your single most important job, the thing that you can give to yourself, the gift you can give to yourself or your your your ancestors, grandparents, people that came before you, is joy. And not letting anyone steal your joy.
when they are trying to do it purposefully.
Even more, not letting someone take the joy that your ancestors earned for you that people that fought for you earned for you. Not letting someone put you in a position where you are reactive, put you in a position where you're putting your freedom on the line, where you're putting your safety on the line by taking the pain that people had to go through and then leveraging that pain against you. That's not just something that you you that shouldn't be a sacrifice. You should want to do that. And any bum ass, stupid, like insane person that comes along and tries to take hundreds and hundreds of years of degradation, decades and decades of abuse, and tries to use that as a weapon to bring you out of yourself to put him in a situation where he is emotionally or rhetorically or sometimes legally more powerful than you. to use that as a way to kill you.
You don't owe him that. You don't owe him any violence. You don't owe him any thought. You don't owe him any attention. You owe him nothing. A mosquito. You don't even have to kill him if you don't want to. Just shoe him.
Move on. I know it's hard. I know it's hard, but we have to stop sacrificing joy to these [ __ ] Neanderthalss.
If you do something, I'mma bail you out of jail. I'm sorry that that's that if you do something if you do something I'm gonna bail you out of jail. That's straight. But the reality of it is don't don't do anything. Don't be moved. Don't give any content. Don't give any consent to theft of joy by a scumbag low life like this.
>> Wow.
I almost feel like this is Zin Van.
I could not disagree with you more. Oh, wow. There you go.
>> And I am not one I'm not saying that it has to be a violent response, but I think for me the fact that you want to, which we see time and time again in various ways in this way, it is a an a content creator uh using it through his platform. But we see people use black people use their pain for their own advancement or for for to seek attention.
>> And I'm tired of it. And we've sat here on this podcast before and talked about the n-word and how that is a form of violence. Like you you say that to me, that is a verbal assault. And however somebody responds to that can be warranted because the person is saying it to you to cause pain, to cause a reaction. I'm not saying you're wrong in what you're saying. I'm just saying I I I couldn't disagree more. I think it would bring me great joy to you want to cause me pain.
How can I return the favor to you? Now, there's various ways to do that. I could pick up the phone and call the police. I could take a picture of you, find out where you work. Um, call your employer.
I could, you know, if you're a student, I could I could do call like your university. I could put this out here where it harms you in other ways. There are other ways to do it than physical violence. But to me, if someone is going to run up to me and say the n-word to try to upset me, knowing we know the the the weight of that word, I'm not going to sit there and turn the other cheek.
I'm going to respond in some kind of way. Um, and that is going to bring me joy. Now, it doesn't have to be what he wants, which is like, you know, maybe there's someone to fight him. Maybe then he can turn around and use call the cops on that in that way. But there will be a response for me in some kind of way.
>> So, let me make sure that I'm saying this correctly.
You know, all of the stuff that you're talking about has been done with this guy. There there's no need.
>> Oh, I'm sure. And so like there's there's there's nothing that you can do in terms like he's the lowest of the low. Obviously somebody that goes on a live stream and says the n-word 100,000 times is not worried about anybody finding out where they work.
>> And kick did kick him off.
>> Kick did kick him off. There's always going to be some type of place, some type of place where he can go.
>> Sure.
>> Okay.
>> If you find yourself in a position I'm reacting to the videos that I'm seeing.
>> I'm reacting to videos where pepper spray is being used where he's legitimately daring people to come over.
so that he can then pepper spray them and then shoot them.
That happens, you guys. That's a win for him.
These people want to put you in a position so that they can then do violence to you. This person is insane.
Okay, this person is they've lost their mind. They've lost their mind. They want to find a reason to hurt you. That that Perfect Neighbor documentary >> um where I watched this woman >> use and manipulate the law. Now, in that situation, she uh >> she went to jail.
>> She went to jail. Us and manipulate the law to put a black woman in a position so that she could kill her. When I think about situations like Trayvon Martin, when I think about these other situations, I'm not saying that anyone has to cower in front of somebody that's calling them the n-word. [ __ ] you. Get off my dick. All of that stuff. All of that stuff is good. But I'm telling you right now, it's not worth pepper spray in your eyes. It is not worth you going back and forth even physically. It's not worth a night in jail. We going to cover you if something happens. But none of that stuff is worth it. It's just not.
It's just not like I I'm not asking anyone every anyone anywhere to walk around and be called the n-word. What I'm telling you is in this situation where someone is purposefully putting you in a position where your safety and your freedom could be in his hands by weaponizing your pain. You don't owe him that interaction.
>> Wow.
>> That and that and that is all that is all I'm saying. This right here is the lowest of the low. This is the dregs of society. This is the worst of the worst.
It don't get no worse. No. Like I am. It don't get any worse than this.
>> And I'm saying us as people who we are, we don't owe him to go here.
>> I agree with you.
>> I even feel bad even talking.
>> I agree with you about endangering themselves, but I think that there are other ways to respond and that's more of what what I'm saying.
>> Gotcha. Um, Stefon Diggs not guilty of assault. What do you think?
>> I didn't really look into this. You don't tell us. You stop telling us, >> Jade, my job, >> Jade, >> I didn't even see. See, I can't see you because I turned this way.
>> You cuz you're also not in the document.
>> What's my job?
>> No, I bet. Oh, she did say, "Let's take a break."
>> Stop. Let's take a break first. You stop telling us.
>> You want to fight?
>> You talk to We could argue.
>> Jay, shut up, man. I'm trying to talk to the people. I was giving a heartfelt [ __ ] >> about this [ __ ] guy. I hate this [ __ ] guy, man.
>> I mean, yeah. It's like, yeah, like God, do me one. I pray all the time >> and I keep my faith even though my pray my prayers aren't answered. Give Give me one. Can we get one? Can we get a torn ACL, a broken Can we get I I'm praying on the down I'm praying on the downfall.
I'm praying on the downfall. Like, can we get one? We haven't got one in a while. I like, can we get one? I need this one. If we need one, I would I would direct this to somebody else, but I would direct this I would direct it elsewhere. But >> yeah.
>> Yeah. Let's take a break. Let's take a break. Let's take a break. Jay's right.
>> Jury finds Stefon Diggs not guilty of assault. Donnie, >> right? As you just said, a jury found Diggs not guilty on all charges, which include felony strangulation, misdemeanor assault, and uh this is all following a two-day trial in Boston. The case stemmed from an incident last year that involved his former personal chef who alleged that he slapped and choked her during a dispute over pay. But during the trial, defense witnesses and testimony challenged the accuser's credibility, noting no physical evidence, no visible injuries and inconsistencies in her account.
>> Um, did you follow this trial at all?
>> After it was done, I really went and looked back at a bunch of the testimony.
I didn't follow it before, so I wasn't aware of like I knew what the accusation was, but I was not aware of like all the details surrounding it.
>> Okay.
>> After it came out and I saw the testimony, this I don't understand how the prosecution allowed this case to go forward.
>> Oh, >> this makes absolutely no sense to me.
And and and and here's the thing. This isn't me saying I believe, you know, um Miss Adams or I believe Mr. Diggs here.
This is more of as as the state when you were the prosecution, it is your job to properly vet the case. It is your job to properly prepare your witnesses and have your evidence in order. And if you don't do those things and you have the higher burden of proof, right? Be beyond a reasonable doubt. If you know that you can't do that, then you don't have a case and you're pretty much wasting everybody's time. When I watch the testimony of Miss Adams, when I watch the testimony from the other witnesses that were privy to her before, during, and after the alleged incident, I do not understand how you thought you had enough to move forward to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I just don't. They and even if they maybe did, I would imagine of course that they would have sat down and prepped her before. If you felt like she wasn't answering questions or there were holes in her story or that she was maybe combative as a witness as we saw her when the trial was actually happening, then you should have again decided to not move forward with this case. I or you should have waited until you could get it together if you felt like, you know, you do believe her story and you wanted to to move forward with it. They were not prepared. This was a bad presentation.
>> Well, it seems like she was clearly lying.
>> Maybe she was. Maybe I I I I'm not I'm not going to say yay or nay. I'm going to blame this on the state. If she was if she wasn't lying, it looked like she was.
>> Yeah.
>> And my thing was it's one thing if she comes up and says something and then people come up and say something different. Her story didn't even add up.
her the evidence. She could not explain why she did something and would say things like, "I don't recall. I don't remember. I don't understand." It's almost as if she didn't even anticipate the questions that were going to be thrown her way by the defense, which is what the prosecution does is they're preparing their witness for trial. You have to prepare them for the cross. So, I I don't I do not know why this case went forward at all.
>> So, >> this looks really bad on the state.
>> 90minute verdict. Uh, excuse me, 90-minute verdict. Verdict in 90 minutes. lack of convincing and credible evidence presented by the prosecution.
That's what that signals.
>> Um, now it's interesting here. Uh, when I saw her, uh, on the stand, it seemed as if not anything that she said could she back up. This is my question to you. Legal eagle situation.
If she is suing him civily, that seems to be a situation to where, you know, like you guys I I don't want >> Is she suing him civily?
>> I don't know that she's suing him, but what I'm saying is >> I, you know, I've seen a lot of frivolous civil suits. I just I have >> it's it's thing where you talk about >> actually a problem here.
>> I've seen a lot of frivolous civil suits. I've seen a lot of civil suits, guys, where the people are [ __ ] lying. This is it's is the deal where they're just making [ __ ] up. I've seen a lot of civil suits like that like through my time at TMZ. Some of the civil suits were for comedy purposes. I always bring this up, but there was one person that was able to like just do a suit and it was funny. And I know that you guys don't like when I laugh at stuff like this, but in one of these civil suits, this guy said, say it again. He said that he was at Disney World and he ran into Johnny Manzel and Johnny Manzel exposed himself to him outside the It's a small small world ride.
>> You just say you said this >> because that he was exposing himself while singing it's a small small world referring to his you know he he's saying it's an Oscar.
I was like, and these suits were intentionally crazy and and we we would report on them, but the guy's obviously weren't in this situation. This is a criminal trial, though.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I guess my question is why do you think they brought it? Like it's this is the part to where for the the the barrier of entry or whatever the threshold is very low in a civil trial.
You can do pretty much whatever you want. It's up to the person to go out there and do whatever. But in this situation, the state here is supposed to look at all of the evidence and make a determination about whether or not charges like this are going to be brought. Do you think that there is a part of them that either wanted to get a big fish like Stefon Diggs or were afraid not to move forward with charges because he is famous and it would look like they weren't taking the victim's allegations seriously? possibly. I mean, I I'd have to speculate whether it was one or the other. Yeah. It it it I don't know what motivated them to do it. And here's the thing, too. It's like, >> again, it's an alleged story. She has the option to sue civily, you know, because she could say emotional distress. I mean, there is testimony from her that because of her fear of being allegedly strangled that she urinated on herself. Like these, you know, it's more likely than not is the burden of proof in a civil case. And so she has a higher chance of um of uh victory if if she went civily, but and maybe she will, maybe she has. I I have no idea. But I I again, this is this is up to the state. They they decide if they they look at the evidence and say, you know, we want to go forward. They're not going to go forward just because, you know, they want they feel the pressure because of him being famous. That shouldn't be the motivation. And it also shouldn't be the motivation that because he's famous, they want the attention that's going to be brought to them. Because to be honest, what's the first thing I said?
The prosecution messed up. I actually think this makes them look really bad because it looks like that they were in, sorry, incompetent as attorneys because they did not either vet the case or prep her properly.
>> But you stopped short at calling her a liar. You don't think that's fair?
>> I mean, she did lie on some of it. They did actually catch her in some of it. Like when they said, "Why did you delete these messages?" There were text messages that were and some of the the wording was damning towards her. And she admitted, she was like, "Yeah, I removed it." And they were like, "Why?"
>> Or she said, "She didn't get paid." And then someone comes up and they're like, "You actually got overpaid.
>> You got paid.
>> You actually got paid more than you were supposed to." Yeah.
>> And then when she explains, you know, the details around it all and you know, how something was supposed to happen for her and then it got taken away like it again, this is the reasonable doubt.
There is doubt created here because it looks like based on the defense and what was presented that she was being vindictive because she didn't get to go to Miami for Artbasel.
>> Yeah, >> that's what it looks like. That is doubt. And if you don't have any evidence to to move that out of a jury's mind, you should not present the case.
And that sucks for someone who's alleging something that happened to them. But that but also the state has a duty. They have a burden of proof.
>> So I sent out around a video of El Duncan and it's it's an interesting video and the video is of Craig Harden asking El Duncan if she feels like what did he ask her? if she feels like the Diana Rousini uh greatest love story of our time with Mike Verbel um if that puts women in sports media in a bad situation because they're always up they're always up against this uh this >> they're going to reference this this incident >> they're always up against this notion that they are using their feminine ws to get ahead >> and L answers the question and says no of course not I don't I I I reject that because anyone one that would believe that I'm using my feminine ws to get ahead is not going to listen to. They they already believe that, right? She says it so much more eloquently than I could ever say it. She goes, I a reasonable person would not think that every woman that's in this business has to sleep their way to the top. Tell you why I bring that up.
>> And I just want to say what she also says is if someone does think that, then they were always going to think.
>> They were always going to think that. I think that's a really good point.
>> And you're not and you're always chasing credibility with that person. Reason why I bring this up is because it is sometimes uncomfortable for us to um uh talk about situations like this where an accuser is lying because we have to uh volleyball that with a societal notion of [ __ ] be lying, hoes are liars, [ __ ] that feel that way. And that in any situation, whether the accusations are credible or not, we'll look for a reason to dismiss the accuser's claims.
>> And we sometimes want to say that, hey, there's never a situation or a case where someone is being less than truthful because that gives steroids and ammunition, strengthens and gives more firepower to people to the whole holes that's lying contingent. Okay. The reason why I bring up the L thing is because those guys are gone. They're gone. Anyone that has uh disgusting enough worldview to look at somebody that's making this type of accusation or has put theirelves on a line like this and say that they are 100% lying or that this is a means to control rich and powerful men. Those people are not the people that we are in this conversation with.
>> They're just gone.
>> And for whatever reason, they're gone.
Maybe they believe too much of the old wives tale about how you got to watch out for every single woman lurking around to take and harvest everything from you. It's like whatever.
>> Okay, cool.
>> Um, so we're when we're having this conversation in good faith, we're not talking about them because they're out of here.
>> Right now, we still have to contend with them because there are way more of them than we think that they are. But in this situation, as intelligent people, there are going to be times where we have to look at a situation and be like, "Hey, she straight up is not telling the truth." And not just in a case like this, but in any case with some of the favorite people that we like, men and women, to where they're going to say something. Justice Mlette say something and we're going to be, hey, he what? Like, you know, like sometimes people are going to claim racism. People are going to claim stuff like this and we have to be able to go, hey, they're not telling the truth.
>> Yeah.
>> Now, now in that case, believe what it is that you want to believe. But I personally, the way I look at it is I don't believe him, right? But at the same time, think it's time for Jesse to come back, man. Like he >> Oh, nobody said he can't come back.
>> There were people that think that Jesse can't come back. I think that Jesse, >> it shouldn't end his career.
>> Done a lot of good work. Yeah. did. But I think that there are a lot of people that go, "Oh, he put people in this type of situation and said this." I know he would still be mad at me for saying it this and that. I don't believe the story. He's very upset. He's already been very upset because I made a joke and stuff like that, but I think that people were under a lot of pressure.
They were under a lot of stress.
Everyone People do weird [ __ ] sometimes.
>> There really wasn't a victim in it to me. And so I'm like, "Hey man, I want I can't wait to see Jesse back on top."
Back. But I'm forgiving like that.
>> I'm forgiving like that.
>> I mean, >> and I hope that this woman can cook again.
>> Did you see the dried up hot dog? Did Did y'all see that?
>> One of the testimonies, it was like, "Well, what did she cook?" And she's like, "It was a hot dog. It was dried up."
>> Yeah. Now, I saw a picture of it, but I don't know if that was just like a social media thing or if there that was really what it looked like, but it was just bread in a in a burnt wiener.
>> What I do love is these articles on on ESPN because they always got to bring it back to sports. The last paragraph on ESPN is Digs's thousand yard season marked the seventh of his career, you know, completed successful career revival after season ending knee injury.
Like, they always got to bring him back to sports.
>> It's funny. But do you think that he that they let him go because of this >> the Patriots?
>> What? Stefon Diggs. Stefon Diggs was into a lot of [ __ ] man.
>> I just Oh, yeah. There was the pink bad.
>> There was the pink bad. There was just a lot of [ __ ] going on with Stefon Digs.
If you want to be >> the type of If you want to have the type of personal life and pecadillos and all of this type of [ __ ] that Stefon D got, you gota you can't be no thousand yards.
You got to be up there around 16,700.
You got to catch like 120 balls, probably like 17 touchdowns. You can do all of this stuff cuz it's got guys that you can do all of this, but you got to produce more than Stefon Diggs is producing right now. But I hope everybody is cool. Everybody I mean, you know, she lied. She did one of the worst things you could do to try to get the [ __ ] locked up, but it didn't work. So, you know, now >> that was one point in the Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they'd known each other for years when she was like, "He didn't pay me that week. He sent me home." They were like, she was like, "He sent me home cuz he had girls over." And I'm like, "Oh, like you telling on yourself."
>> Yeah. She She's She lied. She lied.
Okay. Um, Met Gala. This is Okay.
>> This is not me.
>> Rage.
>> Oh, do you consider me a fashion a fashion girl?
>> Yeah, that's what you say. So, like, yeah, >> I literally never said that, but I do like fashion.
>> Yeah. The event this year uh faced significant backlash. This is after Jeff Bezos was named an honorary chair and major sponsor, sparking protests across New York City. Activist uh projected a video message from 72year-old Amazon worker Mary Hill onto Jeff Bezos's Manhattan penthouse. Let's hear from Miss Hill. Seas, my name is Mary Hill. I'm a 72year-old warehouse worker at one of your facilities. When we struggle from paycheck to paycheck, from we to we angers me because if it weren't for every assumption in every Amazon facility, he wouldn't have all those zeros behind his name. Shame on you, Jeff Basilos. The people that need to be being celebrated at the Met Gala are the workers, people like me.
We deserve that celebration. We deserve so much more than we're getting.
Remember, Jeff, ordinary people like myself that helped make you billionaires, if we built it, we can tear it down. Think about that tonight.
Okay, enjoy your damn gala.
>> Tough tough stuff.
>> She's right. You know, I there there was a lot of criticism. There were protests.
There were um I think there always protests in the Mc Gala but there were uh Amazon workers who did their own gala and their own fashion shows um which was interesting but I also it as many people as there are being critical I'm also seeing a number of people who are like so what it was interesting I was watching the view and to see their take on it and and and Whoopi Goldberg was kind of like and I'm paraphrasing but just basically the sentiment was Like if yes, there are things that are going on in this world, but you know, if somebody wants to go and dress up for a gala, you know, like that shouldn't erase some of the other good that they do. And there was kind of an agreeance among the p amongst the panel about um at least in the the the part that I was watching about like yeah, like you should be able to go to the Met Gala, you know, if you choose to do and that doesn't define who you are as an entire person. And I think the thing with Bezos is that it's different because it's almost like this is the cherry on top. You know, you have Amazon workers saying that they're being worked so hard that they can't even take a bathroom break and they have to use the bathroom in bottles of water. You have, you know, the testimony of the woman here and the various other people that they projected um across buildings in New York City. You have major layoffs. You have that also with other things that he owns with the Washington Post and the editorial decisions that are being made over there. You have him donating millions and millions of dollars to the president's inauguration fund. You have him paying $40 million for um Melania's movie. You have him having a $50 million wedding. You have him and then you see him on a $500 million yacht. Yet you have workers that are saying they're being overworked. you have you're doing all these layoffs, you're still making all this money where you can show off and we have to watch this affluent life you're living, but then also see all these people who are suffering at the hand hands of it and it just his richness. Obviously, we know he's rich, but it's just so loud and in your face when also what's in your face are the number of people that are struggling who are making you rich. And that's what seems to be so grotesque about him then attending the Met Gala because he bought his way to be a part of it in such an as a as a chair for he and Lauren and the backdrop is a city of people where one in four are in poverty where people are struggling to where even Mumani was like I'm not attending it because it's just such an in-your-face thing and and the fact that that isn't something that is being recognized to me is problematic. Like, yeah, you can go to nice things and you can dress up, but when you have it as it being the a Bezos affair, when the people who work for him are talking about their struggles, it just feels like maybe this is something that that you should skip, >> Brownie.
>> So, yeah, you brought them you brought with you. Come on. So, uh here's the thing about the med gala.
Um, the Met Gala assumes something because the MetGala is a fundraiser, right? It's a fundraiser.
>> It is a fundraiser >> for the arts. It's a fundraiser for the arts. But in it being a fundraiser, the Met Gala assumes something.
The Met Gala to me assumes a belief and an understanding that the people at the Met Gala, the richest, most famous, most um beautiful amongst us, that they are connected to ordinary people because it's a fundraiser. see it being a fundraiser means that the sort of u the decadence of the mech gala is okay because it goes to a good cause. The reason why that type of philanthropic deal is important for the the mega rich is because it uh kind of reinforces the American um belief really some of the part of American culture is that what's good for the really rich is good for everyone.
So, if it's 2015 or if it's 2005 or 2010 and you're watching the Met Gala, you're you're able to enjoy the Met Gala because the Met Gala isn't just to celebrate these incredibly beautiful, rich, uh, well-dressed, perfect people.
It's also for the arts, and the arts is for everyone. The arts is for you. That fundamental belief to me no longer exists. You can't give away enough money at this point. The the game is over.
It's over. It's It's over. You can't give away enough money. People are holding on to that. People are holding on to the belief to me that uh you can have this much money parked all of that.
Your cap gang is going crazy every single year and that that's okay because you can give back enough to offset the damage that your riches do to uh sit.
That is that that's gone.
So, it doesn't matter if Jeff Bezos is the person behind the Met Gala or if he's the co-chair of the Met Gala. It doesn't matter. Moving forward, people will ask, "Do we need [ __ ] like this?"
>> And and the reason why they'll ask is because it I have I'm not standing on a look, people love the Meg Gal. It's very important in fashion. It's very important in all of that. It's a cultural event. All of this stuff.
People are going to ask the question moving forward of all of this type of stuff of any place where the rich and famous are celebrated. They're going to ask the question, is there anything in this for us? Is this is this a part of us in any way? Because once again, when things are better, when thing when you have a little bit more money in your pocket, when the economy is moving, when it's working a little bit better for you, you might be able to have a good time, have some fun, do all of that stuff. you might be able to do that, right? But in this case, especially with this group of guys, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, all of those people who rolled over and showed their [ __ ] bellies to Donald Trump and to everything, you know that they don't stand for anything that they are bottom line, bottom dollar slaves.
And if that means you got to work 50 hours, then you got to work 50 hours. If that means your son or daughter has to go to Iran, then they're going.
If all of that stuff has to happen for them to go to the moon, land a rocket, have a boat, date a younger woman, do the whole thing, that's what the [ __ ] you going to do. And so people know that now. They know it. Not one of these guys has stood up and been like, "No, I don't agree with this." As a matter of fact, they did the opposite. When it was in vogue to be down with the people, they was down with the people. and was when it was involved to be down with Palpatine and Vader, they did that too.
So, we know it's a lot. So, like now so, so now when you look at this situation with him being there, it is a reminder that what this is and what this has always been, it's a celebration of really rich, really famous, really powerful people is just back in the day it didn't bother you as much. Now, I keep trying to say this, everyone is trying to say this.
The [ __ ] [ __ ] is falling apart. The Oz is being revealed and people are going, "Wait a second, man. This is getting better for one group of people and that and I'm not a part of that."
So, I don't really give a [ __ ] how much your outfit costs. Cost $100,000. You look great. We don't understand it in the first place. I don't give a [ __ ] how much it costs. It is what it is. This is not to berserk anybody that went. And I tell you why I'm not doing that. It's because Don't I'm just I'm trying to be Shut up, Jade. Jade, I took my glasses off because I'm trying to be a human person here.
>> I know, but when you put them back on put them on crooked >> and I can't I can't correct you in the middle of your rant. But you can No, >> do your thing.
>> No, I don't.
>> You always put them on crooked.
>> They don't go back on, right?
>> No. And then G it gives when that gives old man.
>> But what about this though? What about Cuz I figured out I could do this and look at >> I really love that look.
>> And then I can look I could look at the computer and I can look at Jade. That's all I'm saying. I like that. Yeah.
>> This all I'm going to say.
I'm not talking I'm not calling for grace for the celebrities at the Met Gala, but I am saying this.
These people their whole lives they were told look at Rachel. They were told that they that getting to the meg gallow was a part of the deal and there I when I'm talking about this even when I was talking about the Jay-Z and the capitalism thing when I said that I understood what he was saying in terms of his whole life they were telling him hey this is what you need to do and then you get there and people go wait a minute this thing is bad. So all the megala people, they were like, "Hey, one day I want to be beautiful and dressed in Dior, dripping in Prada, Find Oh, look at me. I got the Balenciaga one day." And so now to get to that point and then to have somebody tell you, "Hey, you're really supporting something." I would get how for some people that that would be either confusing or something that they would be like, "Wait a minute, hold on. Now, when I get to the megalo, the megalo is bad or when I get here to be I understand that from a human perspective. But what I'm saying is these types of things are going to be [ __ ] litigated. But especially when you got that black lady who look like somebody's grandma, >> 72 years old, >> 72 years old, still working.
>> STILL WORKING. I GOT SO many questions.
Does that woman own a home? Is there any type of ownership or wealth that she has? What is her life like? That's whose life I [ __ ] care about right now. I don't give a [ __ ] who built and made your outfit, how long it took to create, how long the train is on the dress, the theme of the Met Gala, none of it. I don't give a [ __ ] about any of it. I care about that woman's life. That was brilliant. And that's not going away.
So, they might as well in the next Met Gala, they should take 40 people from Amazon to dress them up. They should go to some small town and put some lady in all of that stuff that never gets a chance to do that. They should figure out who the [ __ ] needs to be able to.
They should if they care about people.
>> Yeah. I don't I don't even really care about people going as much either. But with the basos of it all, it's like >> you want to go.
>> No, I actually it's it's not for me. But I I just It's just the basos of it all.
like you just it's the all the millions of dollars you're spending and you have so many people suffering and it's like why would you want to be in a picture with this person? Why would you want to be affiliated with something with someone who easily could redirect his money but instead he lays people off so he can continue to live this. And then just the tackiness of it all like they so busy trying to be so cool. They keep trying to buy their way to cool. You can't buy cool. And every single time, Lauren and Jeff. Yeah. Like >> it just it just doesn't work.
>> Can I can I throw something into the pod? Can I can I throw something in?
>> Okay. So, Mr. Beast just did something that's very funny to me.
Okay. So, y'all y'all familiar with Popbase?
>> It's the food.
>> Popbase is a a a Twitter handle.
>> Oh, >> okay.
>> No.
>> So, it's not a huge Twitter handle, but it is a Twitter handle. Okay. So, it's both Mr. Beast's birth birthday and it's also Adele's birthday. So, they both have the same birthday. Wouldn't you know it? So, Adele's birthday. I guess I guess Adele's birthday was two days ago.
actually.
>> Mhm.
>> Adele's birthday. It said, "Happy 38th birthday to the iconic Adele, the Emmy, 16 time Grammy, and Oscar winning vocalist is one of the biggest forces in music music history with numerous records to her name, including one of the fastests selling albums of the 21st century. She is one of the bestselling, most acclaimed artists of all time. And it has these beautiful pictures of Adele. Like, see right here, beautiful pictures of Adele."
>> Now, Mr. Beast birthday was today. And this is what it said. It said, "Mr. Mr. Beast turns 28.
>> So Mr. Beast responded.
>> Oh, he did? Okay.
>> He did. Mr. Beast said, "I find it funny how different these two tweets are."
>> And they kicked Mr. Beast's [ __ ] ass. After he said that, then he came back and he said, "I'm now being crucified over this tweet." Guys, I didn't say anywhere, I'm better than Adele. I just thought the contrast was funny. Stop reaching and live a little.
>> They could have given him more of a description. Okay, you know what? Here's the thing. This is something. This is Mr. Beast is wildly successful. For Mr. Beast, >> you was mad.
Do you feel like he was mad?
>> Yeah, he was bothered. He was a little It was a little embarrassing.
>> It for him embarrassing >> because Mr. Beast has 34.6 million followers on Twitter.
Million followers on Twitter. Mr. beast is looking around. I'm the [ __ ] man. And he thought that they was going to give him the same love that they gave to Adele and they didn't.
>> I think we can admit it's a little he wanted to feel some respect.
>> Okay.
>> And he feels disrespected.
>> Okay.
>> That's what that's what he feels. I mean, he got acknowledged.
>> He's a big time celebrity.
>> He got acknowledged. At least they said happy birthday.
>> Can I So, this is interesting to me. The fact that Mr. Beast. Okay. What's your favorite Mr. Beast joint?
>> I don't follow Mr. Beast like that, but my nephews are big fans of his Amazon show.
>> They're big fans of Amazon show. Y'all [ __ ] with Mr. Beast, too.
>> Mr. Beast sometimes. Sometimes I see something on uh YouTube and it'll be like, "Can you subscri survive a year in a bunker with only [ __ ] pissing sticks? Can you and your ex live underwater in a [ __ ] igloo?"
Like, can you [ __ ] can you put your hand on the surface of the sun for five seconds? Mr. Beast finds out. Like, I see this stuff and I'm like, "God damn, I'm I'm looking at this [ __ ] and I'm watching and it is what it is." But like I think this is a fascinating look into the difference between someone who gives you something to watch and somebody who makes you feel >> like and I want everybody to understand this. There are a lot of people out there that are famous because they give people something to watch. They give them a way to pass a time, a cool spectacle to look at. If you are that person, there are riches and there is fame and there is access in that. You are never ever ever going to compete with anyone in any way who makes someone feel something.
>> You know what's >> who produces a song that reminds them of their of the first time they fell in love or a movie that makes them like re-examine their situation or anything.
The ability to make a human being feel emotion is going to take that person and put them in a different plane than somebody who can stream for a long time or do a stunt or something like that.
It's not the same. All of that stuff like that when he's looking at Adele, that's cuz people [ __ ] love Adele cuz they hear her voice and it make them want to get to crying and [ __ ] >> Yeah. I mean I True. But I guess even though I'm not as familiar with Mr. beast to your point about feeling things. One of the biggest things I know about him is how charitable he is and that and there is a feeling like that I cuz I don't consume his content again I know his show cuz of my nephews but I feel like I'm always seeing stories about how charitable he is so I'm like oh he makes a lot of money he does a lot of stuff but he gives back a lot there's a feeling in that.
>> No it's not is to to me I have no problem with Mr. Beast at all. No, I'm not.
>> Once again, I think some of the stuff is interesting, right? But it makes sense to give back like when you're saying, "Can 50 people walk across razor blades 5 hours?" Like, "Let's look at it."
Like, do you Yeah. Cuz a lot of people are going to look at Mr. piece and they're going to be like, "He's found a way to cynically do squid games uh for people and make people compete for sums of money in a depressed economy. And the way to kind of launder that is to give money back." I'm not necessarily saying that, but I'm saying don't matter how much he give back. That [ __ ] not comparing the fire in the rain type of situation.
>> What What does his tweet say again? What What did they say? He's his tweet said, "I find it funny how different these two >> write what a pop base write for him."
>> They wrote they wrote, "Mr. B turns 28."
>> I'm sorry. They could have been like YouTuber, philanthropist, entrepreneur, you know, like they they could they could have given him some more defining >> things. They could they really could have. I don't think he's overexaggerating about that.
>> Like they you could have defined who Mr. beast is with some titles at the very least.
>> One of the greatest vocals of all time compared to some creepy internet guy.
>> One of the greatest vocals of all time versus a clickbait YouTuber.
>> That's why he's upset more than >> just maybe because no one likes you, >> which is so not true. He has millions of followers.
>> You are not that special. Seriously, low-key, everyone thinks you are a douchebag. Not saying that you actually are, but to be honest, you used to be all right, but then something happened.
We don't know. We don't know if it was like what happened to Justin Bieber type thing or just ego. Really? They going in on Mr. Beast. I didn't realize it was this type.
>> That's what That's what he's saying. It opens up the door for it.
>> Well, >> well, I mean, he got into it. He He got into it himself. But greatest you greatest female singer versus a YouTube creep who prays on little kids. God.
>> Okay. Further further research with Mr. Beast. There's there's this year a class action lawsuit was filed by contestants from the show for a hostile work environment including failure to provide basic food, water, and water, sexual harassment, and a lack of safety protocols during production for Amazon.
>> Now, I bet you these people don't even I bet you these people don't even much know that, right? I bet these people don't even know that. I bet these people just like >> Mr. Beast ain't no [ __ ] Adele.
I'm telling you guys, I'm not hating on nobody cuz I'm not no Adele either. I'm not hating on anyone. But I'm saying connection, making people feel all of that stuff is just going to go further.
I was trying to help it out >> then >> can your dick survive >> in ice water six hours.
>> Is that really what his content is?
>> It's it's actually more than that. I'm just joking around. But Mr. I mean some of this >> I knew the last one when the guy turned sexual, >> you know. I saw some Higher Learning fans outside of the uh >> Oh my gosh. Yes. Shout out to the Higher Learning Thought Warriors that we met outside.
>> Shout out to the thought warriors that came out. These two lovely ladies and they went we knew it would be sexual. I told the story of how I knew that my father jacked off.
>> Well, you kept saying this is a story about my nephew and we lost him pretty quickly in the story. It was because the nephew stuff really was predicated on people laughing at me thinking that my nephew would be a school shooter and people didn't laugh at that as much as I thought they would.
>> They laughed. It was kind of like No, they laughed cuz we we we chuckled. I think you hear things different from the stage and where we were. But it it was like do we laugh? Should we laugh? It was like that one of those things which is how your your other joke your new joke might make people feel. It's like I I don't know if I can laugh. Is that how you felt Jade?
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> I think that's what it was. It wasn't that it wasn't funny. It was like, "Is it too soon?"
>> No, no, no. My Like, look, this little [ __ ] called me up and he goes, "Look, I got some bad things going on." And I was [ __ ] scared. I was like, "What the [ __ ] is he about to do?" Cuz he was just trying >> like dark thoughts or something like it was like something.
>> He said, "I got dark." He's like, but but really it was that he was like he he felt weird because he couldn't stop jacking off, which makes a lot of sense.
But like but like he and like you know just if he's listening you know man you know you 14 pull that [ __ ] >> You 14 dog you know my nephew doesn't have a jack off problem. Do you know what he has?
>> What?
>> He has an access problem >> to >> to the material. Let me tell you what the difference is with these new kids as it relates to jacking off. Okay. I'll tell you what the difference is.
Bernard, you know what I'm talking He's probably in a state where he can't access it like you used to be able to.
There was >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't say it the way I used to be able to use.
>> No, I was Okay, first off, that is you projecting because I said you and it was an understood you.
>> No, it wasn't understood. Oh, I swear to God it was an understood you.
>> No, no, I didn't take it like that. And I'll tell you why. The reason why I didn't tell you is because really these kids that think they have a jackoff problem, they don't have a jackoff problem. Louis CK has a jackoff problem.
They don't have a jackoff problem. What they have is a access problem. See, right now they can access 95 to 97% of the world's porn, right? Anytime they want the porn that's ever been created, they can type it in and they can go see all kinds of different porns, all type.
When I wanted to watch porn, 1994, 1995, I had to be [ __ ] James Bond. Do you understand what I'm talking about? I had to go into mom and dad's room. I had to put the porn in the VCR. I had to note the scene that the porn was on, then rewind back to that same scene after. I had to simultaneously listen for the dogs that were in the backyard because they would bark when mom would pull up.
And I also had to listen for dad's diesel engine that would come up the street. So, >> you never got caught?
>> Never. One time.
Like one time.
>> Who caught you?
>> Ebony.
>> I love Ebony.
>> Ebony caught me. And and when Ebony called me, she didn't even say anything crazy. She just went and then I then she closed the door and I just heard her laugh and as she walked down the hall I was like damn. So like my nephew doesn't have a jack off problem. They just got access. It's too much. It's too easy. It just wasn't that easy. Okay, Mr. Beast, before we leave, this is the last couple Mr. Beast videos. I stranded 100 people in the wilderness for 20 $250,000.
last to leave the grocery store wins $250,000.
Like it's it's like 50 streamers fight for a million dollars. That's Mr. Beast and I show Speed. I mean, you know, I I'm I'm the TMZ guy. I can't [ __ ] get on Mr. Beast. What I'm saying like, [ __ ] this ain't no 21. Okay. So, they they they love Adele in a different way.
All right, Ra, your topic. You're like, what do you want to do? What should we do next?
>> Uh, >> what should we do?
>> What should we do?
>> Migos return. Quanza Jones. What do you want to do? What do you think about the Migos reunion?
>> I'm so [ __ ] happy, D.
>> It's about time.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Quo and Offset uh have ignited speculation that they're rejoining for new music. They posted photos of them together in the studio with construction emojis and a cryptic caption, hinting that a major project might be underway.
This would be the first one after uh Takeoff's death a few years ago.
>> Yeah. I mean, they had tension even before Takeoff passed away.
>> And I would have thought that, and I remember even Cardi B calling out for them to stop. I would have thought that the death of a family member, friend, brother, creator, all of it would have brought them together and it didn't. And then we saw um Offset get shot recently as well. And I just, you know, put the music aside. that these are they're family and whatever it is differences they have, they should be able to come together now that they are coming together, they're better together in my opinion when it comes to music.
So, I'm excited that they've made up.
I'm excited that they they're coming back together and they're going to give the people what they want. That's how it should be. That's how it should be.
>> Yeah. So, it's it's it's phenomenal.
It's phenomenal for a couple reasons.
Number one, we've seen the Migos Apart, and I like some of the stuff. Um, I think what really happened here was just a case study. Huh?
>> Oh, >> what you mean?
>> I said ego.
>> Well, yeah, that's what happens. It's a case study in the way groups end up breaking up. So, this prior to the death of Takeoff, like what you have is a group hits. And at first it seemed like everyone thought that Quo was going to be the big deal that came from Amigos, right? Like I remember Quo at one time I think he had tried to get his own manager or he was [ __ ] with Scooter or something like that was happening and that whole thing got weird and then all of a sudden Offset becomes the one from the Migos that is killing guest appearances and everybody is talking about I don't know how that went over.
There was all kind there were never a group that didn't make headlines. Like sometimes it would be something that would happen club or whatever.
>> But it was just regular music [ __ ] that seemed to kind of force them apart. And then when when takeoff was killed, when he was murdered, >> uh there was a time when they got back together, well they they did a bet awards I think his performance and you thought are they going to realize that it's deeper than this rap [ __ ] How long is it gonna take them to realize it's deep in this rap [ __ ] that they family that they came up together that they was in that situation >> where they were like climbing together and you know sharing clothes doing all of that stuff all the [ __ ] that [ __ ] do when they don't have anything. I thought it was just a matter of time until they realized that that both musically and energetically they're better off as family men.
>> Oh. So what you're saying is you always knew they were going to come back together.
>> Yep.
>> They family. And by the way, not not only >> people have that always the case. Not only do they always like most of the time with these groups, most of the time with these groups that have these big breakups, most of the time there's some sort of reconciliation. When you think about these groups, there are some where there was never a reconciliation, but most of the time with these groups, you see them back together at some point when things slow out.
>> Do you think that's motivated by things that aren't rooted in like family and brotherhood? Well, I think >> or cuz like when you say that and I'm not just subjecting this to to Migos, but when you're like most of the time they come back together. When I think of that, I think, well, they need each other. It's more of a financial thing.
>> Well, yeah, sometimes, but like to look at that situation like New Addition.
>> Well, that's exactly who I was thinking of.
>> Well, New Addition didn't need each other. New Bobby Brown goes on and becomes like a gigantic star and then New Edition puts Johnny Gil in the group and they got the Any Heartbreak, my favorite joint. Yeah, we're still in the 80s. I'm talking about now them coming back together >> now. But now they old, right? So now it's like they they can do a new edition with Bobby do an issue without Bobby.
>> And they did come back all together in the '9s.
>> They did home again >> with with Bobby and Johnny, >> right? With Bobby. Bobby and Johnny. All of them come back together. My point with that is like even before my point with that is that you're going to see some sort of reconciliation from these groups, particularly when these groups were together when they were young and they had a lot of success and all of that stuff like that. A lot of them come back together. Now sometimes people die or whatever whatever it doesn't happen.
But with them there was a closeness that also even the way the Migos made music like to me indicated this closeness cuz they ad living everybody going in like they were it was like they were one organism as a >> I agree. It's like they finished each other's sentences with the rap. Like I was almost like is that on the paper or y'all just like vibing? So, like when they when they weren't together anymore, it was kind of like it was really [ __ ] up. You're >> right. I'm happy to see it. I'm I'm really happy they're coming together.
>> We have we we have we've been staying away from politics on the pod.
>> No, I think we >> What?
>> We can't I mean, what do what do you want to talk about? There's things happening.
I mean, no, we just talked about redistricting.
>> We did >> and it's still going on.
>> We had Karen Bass on the podcast.
>> We did have Karen Bass on the podcast.
You itching for some politics. I'm >> itching. I'm saying. Did you watch the mayoral debate? Did anybody watch?
>> Oh man, I didn't know about it. So I I woke up this morning and I watched it.
You watched it?
>> I watched it. What' you think?
>> I think that if Spencer Pratt was trying to differentiate himself from Karen Bass, he did a terrible job at it.
>> He agreed with Karen Bass on a lot of stuff and it was more so a back and forth between him and the council woman.
like he flat out complimented Karen Bass. He I mean when it comes to the fires obviously we know where he stands with that but he even was like I don't want to run against her. She's got all these unions supporting her. Um I actually agree with her. You know she talked about wanting more police. So does he. She talked about wanting to move them off the streets. So does so does he. He more so was at odds with the council woman than he was with her. And I thought if if that is who you end up going against, you did a really bad job of trying to show how how anti how if she's so bad for LA, why do y'all agree on so much?
>> Karen Bass, >> why do why do Spencer Pratt and Karen uh and Karen Bass agree on so much? if she is so bad according to Spencer Pratt.
And then obviously this debate revealed and the moderators kept asking him, "Okay, that we know you're passionate about being in this race. We know you're passionate about what happened to you and to your community, but how would you fix it? What policy?" Never had an answer, >> right?
>> Never. What I will say about this debate and the uh the the the reaction to the debate is that like yo Spencer Pratt is has a is it a little cricket?
Spencer Pratt has an entire social media apparatus.
>> Oh yeah.
>> That is way more robust than I thought they was. Cuz like if you didn't watch the debate and you just watched the coverage on the debate from uh figures on the right, you would think that Spencer Pratt got up there and smoked everyone.
>> That's what I had to watch.
>> He had good moments. He had moments where he looked authentic, where he looked like he was legitimately the screaming voice of Los Angeles at two politicians. But if you watch the entire debate, there is no [ __ ] way that you will come away going, "That guy's qualified to be the mayor." And that's just like a reality. And look, once again, I am down to have all the mayoral. Uh would love to >> would love to have Spencer on. Would love to have Nitia Ramen on. Would love to have Spencer Pratt on. Uh we've had Karen Bass on. So would love to put these questions to them. I actually reached out to Nitia Ramen's people and I think we got something brewing, something cooking. But if you look at what's cuz she has a record that she could run on in terms of like things that she's been able to get done >> um >> for her district. for her district.
>> She didn't she didn't do a good job in talking in defending some of her actions as a city council woman as a in regards to the city as a whole.
>> Okay. So, who did you think did the best in the in >> Karen Bass?
>> You thought Karen Bass carried the day?
>> I like by far >> carried today. I mean, Spencer Pratt even goes, I don't want to run against her, not just the unions. He was like, she's been the mayor for four years. I mean, I'm telling you, he made Karen Bass look good. I'm sorry. Except for the fires, which she was able to refute.
I I I I just think that I I I was I really was shocked. I only watched because of exactly what you said. I get on threads and everyone's talking about Spencer Pratt and how well he did and how he cooked everybody and all of this and then I watch it and I'm like, "Oh, people didn't watch. They just watch these moments where he was funny or they watch these moments." I mean, he literally said, "I mean, I don't have to I don't have to know how to balance a budget. I'll hire people smarter than me to do that." A lot of people going to go for that type of [ __ ] though.
>> I don't Well, I mean, did you did you have somebody balancing your personal budget for the millions of dollars that you lost? That don't mean [ __ ] to me.
>> Spencer Pratt, come on. Higher learning.
>> That don't mean anything to me. You going to go back to them crystals to tell you how to do it? That doesn't mean anything to me.
>> Damn. I'll tell you something right now.
This is what I'll say. It's very important that you guys watch the [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Not just the debates. I'm not talking about that. Like, I'll tell you something else. Tucker Carlson. Okay. So I I watch a lot of Tucker, right? I watch a lot of Tucker. And let me tell you what I realize.
>> The clip farming or prop clipping as Tim P says that goes on with Tucker is like it's next level cuz I I watch the Tucker Carlson stuff, right?
>> I like clip farming.
>> Clip forming.
>> I like that term.
>> So it's next level. Say what I mean. So, if let's say in the if if Tucker is doing an interview and the interview is with Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabe or whatever, he's able to sit down with one of these people and shred them on these issues where they are clearly clearly uh not just intellectually but energetically compromised. They are compromised on these issues. they are beholden to entities, political thoughts, movements or whatever. And so he's able to lob stuff out there that is, you know, easy to make these guys look like fools. Like you ask Ted Cruz how many people are in Iran. He's he's an Iran hawk. He doesn't know how many people. He wants to go in and destabilize or destroy a civilization in the guise of freeing them or ending a nuclear program. And he doesn't know anything about what he's going to do, right? Tucker is like talented at that.
But then there are other interviews like he had his brother on. His brother is named Buckley. Tucker and Buckley.
>> It's very white.
>> Tucker and Buckley. His brother's name is Buckley.
The conversation was so grotesqually racist at times.
>> The conversation was so disgustingly racist, homophobic, anti-American in ways. They spent a whole [ __ ] portion of the conversation talking about how much they loved big tobacco.
How much they want people to smoke and smoke like you guys. A lot of you guys never lived during the time where you had to go places and people were smoking everywhere. People smoke everywhere. You got a [ __ ] headache. The whole deal.
So you guys don't have to live in a world where it was smoke everywhere. You go to a hospital, they smoke. You go on a plane, they're smoking. There smoking everywhere. Your world is better because big tobacco was brought to his knees.
Facts. And these two guys are talking about ripping the filter out of [ __ ] and smoking it like in 65. On top of that, they're talking about just all of the buzzwords, anti-white racism, all of that stuff. You watch the stuff that was clipped from that interview, though. The stuff that was clipped from that interview were salient points made against Donald Trump or salient points made against the the government of Israel. and and they just glossed over all of the other putrid ideas that Tucker Carlson is still beholden to as he tries to launder them. But >> we talked about this. I told you that's why I don't trust these people.
>> No, no, no, no. But the difference is like for me, I do think though that on certain issues they have legitimately moved. And it doesn't matter if they've moved or not. What what matters is like now what I I truly believe that Tucker Carlson and the rest of these people now have moved away from Donald Trump, but because they have to move away from Donald Trump.
>> Sure. But there's still all those grotesque things that you saw, which is what I'm like, so it doesn't mean that much because when it comes to an election, they're still going to vote for things that further that. Well, the only thing that it does mean to me, and this is the reason why I encourage people to watch the entire thing, is because I'm the one thing that I can't really do on the podcast that I wish that I could do more of because I'm not good enough is I'm encouraging people to be sophisticated on this stuff.
>> Sure.
>> And I do not think that there is any need or want for people to be that. I think that people want to have easy answers and more and safe answers to really complex and uh uh weighty problems. And because if you're going to be sophisticated on it, then it would then some of this clipping is the way that you do it. You would take prominent figures on the right and use certain things that they say to undergard your arguments. Mhm.
>> And I'll be honest, that's what they do to us.
>> Sure.
>> What they do to us is they listen to the whole thing. Don't matter how many you could say, >> "Vote for Kla Harris. Vote for Kla Harris, vote for Kla Harris, vote for whomever else, and they listen to all of the stuff that you talk about. But if there is one specific point of agreement, they take that point of agreement and they use it to speak to an average person and say, "Look, >> yeah, we live in a clickbait society."
But I'm saying for people watch the whole thing.
>> Can I ask you this as a connoisseur of Tucker Carlson? um what does he say about or has he addressed the redistricting and the Supreme Court ruling and you know when it comes to a Supreme Court especially when they're supposed to be institutionalists they have made it an open playing field to just throw out basically a democratic republic and just do whatever the [ __ ] they want when it comes to drawing up these to these redistricting maps. Does he address that and where does he stand? Because obviously we know it hurts one group of people. So I'm just curious as to what he said about that.
>> So this is what I So I haven't listened to him since that stuff has happened, right?
>> The the brother interview.
>> No, the brother interview was a long time ago.
>> Okay.
>> So there's been a lot of Tucker stuff that's happened. So I haven't listened to him since then. But I'll say this though, he is blissfully non-specific and he would he gets granular on things that he believes to be the root of the problem.
>> Okay?
>> So he thinks that the root of Trump's bad policy right now is his relationship to Israel.
>> So almost every single show comes back to that. Every sh single show comes back to the fact that America first can't possibly exist if Donald Trump is so closely threaded with the Israeli government and Benjamin Netanyahu. So every problem that exists in America is downstream of that.
>> Every single problem. meaning that like if we're talking about homelessness, if we're talking about drugs, if we're talking about crime, all of those problems come because we are not focused on our country and we're not focused on our country because we're beholden to another country. So when he talks about the things like what you're talking about right now, the way he would discuss them is he would say uh I he go I don't I don't look at any group and you know discriminate on any group based on their blood because that's not what the Christian Bible says to do.
>> I don't I don't use blood trauma against people. That's not that's not a Christian thing. And anyone that would do that >> is not Christian. Well, he'd probably say that anything that has race as a determining as a determining a district or determining the makeup of something should not be allowed and then he would probably agree with it.
>> Well, he would say that except he is very specific about one type of racism which is anti-white racism which he believes because part of that group of people's part of their meth method of thinking is that they are uh they believe in you know white male orthodoxy. So they think that anything that threatens that is destabilizing to the country because white guys have to fly the planes and you know make the food and do all of that stuff. So all that's important. But like what I would say though is like where you can gain wins, >> I accept victory. That's the [ __ ] up part about me. The [ __ ] up part about me is that like if we're playing a basketball game, like my goal is to win the game, >> of course. So that means that if we're playing two things might happen. Last thing I'll say on this. If we're playing a basketball game, and you can't miss eventually, >> no. See the opposite. If we're playing a game, a basketball game, >> and my goal is for me to score, >> then I'm going to make sure that I get in the way of you doing what you're doing. Mhm.
>> But if the goal is to win the game and you can't miss, then I'm going to make sure you get the ball. But even more than that, if we're playing and I realize you're going to shoot every time you touch the ball, then my goal then is to get you easier shots.
>> Oh, we're on the same team.
>> We're on the same team. If if we're playing and I'm like, "This [ __ ] going to shoot every time." There's two types of players. One type of player goes, "Man, [ __ ] this nigga." They get the ball out of the basket. They run down and they chuck it up every time. And now what you have is two people on the court and both of them are doing their own thing. My goal is always to stay on the court.
>> So if you if you gonna shoot it every time, then I'm just gonna get you easier shots.
>> That's the way I look at everything. The way I look at it every everything is how do I win?
>> And if even if in somebody's rhetoric there it's not a total win. If I can use something that they're saying to add to what it is that I'm doing, then I'm going to be like, we have to take that win.
>> I agree with you. And you take that single thing and you use it to your advantage. Not as that single thing and you don't do this, but I'm just saying defines or redefineses who this person is now. I'm just going to use this piece of you. I still know who you are.
>> Right.
>> Okay.
>> Well, especially when they they're they you know, they say it so much. But you know, by the way, here's the deal. Not everybody has to do that.
>> Like we were talking about the Illen Omar thing. Not everybody has to do that. You I'm not asking everyone else to do that. I'm asking you to be sophisticated in your critique. But if you go, "Hey, [ __ ] you guys." But some of these people are going to have to go out and whip votes in places where they wouldn't necessarily get those votes.
And we have to give them space to do that.
>> So Tucker, come on. Come on the show.
Rachel will talk to you. Would you would you talk?
>> Oh, I would I would have Tucker on.
>> You would?
>> Who wouldn't you have on?
>> Candace.
>> Only Candace.
>> I have to think about some other people.
>> Who? Give me Give us a list of people.
Give us a list of racial.
>> I don't know if I would do It's going to sound like only women, but I Oh, I wouldn't have Nick Fuentes on. Yeah, you know, we don't we're not going to put any Nazis on.
>> Well, I'm just you name because I was about to say Megan Kelly and I didn't want to just say women. So, I was Nick Fentes. You wouldn't put on >> I wouldn't you know I wouldn't have on you know those the what do I call them?
Um I don't remember what the original name is so I'm just going to say fit and [ __ ] >> that that that black >> depression fit.
>> Yeah. I don't do they even have that podcast anymore? The >> the gains >> Myin cuz I saw he went on a rant the other day and it's like I wouldn't even talk about this that kind of stuff on the podcast. like I wouldn't even on.
>> It's about black women >> again.
>> Oh, now here I am having to talk about it. He talks about how they're loud, they're ugly, they wear their too much weave, lashes, he kept calling him chenas. It was like a whole thing. I would never have him on the podcast, >> right? What's the point?
>> Yeah. So there there's a list.
>> Yeah. There's no point in that.
>> Yeah. That and that's really my thing.
If I don't feel like there's a point or I feel like you're just going to lie in when you say stuff, then I What's the point of having that person on the podcast?
>> I mean, my games and Ch the Builder are the same person.
>> Agreed.
>> Same person. Same guy.
>> Agreed. Same guy doing the same thing.
>> Agreed.
>> Same guy doing the same thing. It's exact same [ __ ] Trying to like going back to that and like it's the same guy doing the same [ __ ] Same same tit. Not there's no difference.
>> Let's talk about Dana White. He was on the Katie Miller podcast recently and spoke specifically about masculinity and men's mental health.
>> I hate this whole men's mental health [ __ ] that they talk about. Um, unfortunately, when you're a man, you are the provider. You are the one that that takes care of your family.
uh you know, you you are the example for your kids when they grow up and your sons, you know, and your daughters and and you unfortunately you you you can't be that guy that's I I see these guys posting on on social media, oh, I had a bad day and I'm so sad and all this other crazy [ __ ] >> So unattractive.
>> Oh, it's just it's unattractive to other males, let alone women. I can't even imagine. Uh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm really against all that [ __ ] >> As a man, how does that make you feel?
>> As a man, how does it make me feel?
>> Yeah. I mean, you put you >> Yeah, >> this this spoke to you.
>> It did speak to me.
>> Um, so Dana White is a [ __ ] idiot.
>> Yeah.
And uh you know it's difficult to call somebody that is so successful a [ __ ] idiot, but he is. He is a [ __ ] idiot.
Um you know it men have a choice.
They have a choice whether or not they are going to kill themselves or kill their pride.
And the reality is that the rate at in which men uh unal alive themselves, the rates that they harm people that are close to them, the rate that they take things out, unresolved mental issues on the community at large is staggering.
It's staggering. uh at a time where we are seeing men hurt their wives, kill their wives, kill their children, uh run into places and kill everybody.
Kill everybody because they can't get a date. Uh kill everybody because uh they feel like no one's listening, no one's hearing them. to say that caring about your mental health or prioritizing your mental health or discussing your mental health is uh weak or or unattractive or something that you shouldn't do is it's not it's evil talk. Like we're we have so much evidence right now that that is the last thing that we should be saying or listening to. Now look, Dana White is somebody who over the course of his career has made an incredible living off other people's strife.
Not that I haven't.
Not that I haven't. Um, but he's someone who's made a lot of money on the fact that sometimes men are angry and they need to take it out on someone. You know, MMA is a sport. It's a skill. It's a discipline. It takes a lot of thought and precision and practice and all of that. I'm not saying that everybody in the UFC is crazy, but I am saying that, you know, we live in a society where watching each other brutalize, watching us, watching people brutalize each other is something that we get off on. So, that kind of is what it is. You know, I box. I'm a boxer. I get it. But, you know, for him to be at this point and say those things, I would just tell men uh that not only is Dana White uh an idiot and a liar, but he's obsolete.
>> Yeah. that that type of thinking is obsolete. I would say to men that I want you to be happy and I want you to thrive and I want you to thrive and be happy with nothing to hide. I want your vulnerability and your struggle to be something that you can publicly revel in overcoming. I want your son to be able to look at you and say, "My daddy went through that and he's better. My daddy can talk to me. My daddy made a better me. The pastor at my church made a better me. The teacher made a better me. My coach made a better me. I know how to be who I am in a better uh realer way because that man was better and realer to himself and he didn't have to hide. And there's nothing [ __ ] about that. There's nothing unattractive about that. There's nothing whack about that. Uh Dan White should be ashamed of himself. And maybe if he was better regulated, he wouldn't have slat slapped the [ __ ] out of his wife. And that's exactly what I was about to say.
Dana White is a dangerous man. Not just because he slapped the [ __ ] publicly out of his wife publicly and moved on as if it was nothing, but also because of this rhetoric. You use the word obsolete.
He feels that young men are tra are disconnected from traditional ideas of purpose and identity. The key word being tra traditional. It's 2026. In this entire clip, at least that we listen to, women are nowhere in the picture. He talks about how men are supposed to be looked at by their children, by others in society, how they're supposed to provide as if women are not allowed and can and are not capable of doing these things. That's the society he wants to live in. And maybe he does in his bubble where he literally puts his hands on his wife. But the reason that men feel so disconnected is because men feel more than just the monolith that he wants to make m men be.
Men feel more than what they were traditionally and they always have, but what they were traditionally told they had to be and how they had to exist in this society. And it's the fact that there is this conflict of they're not allowed or they're told that they can't express themselves in that way that has them feeling so disconnected. And maybe if the Dana Whites of the world would shut up and we would welcome a a place where you can be vulnerable and that masculinity isn't defined in one way, just like femininity isn't just defined in one way, then we could all be a better society where we know how to function better, our mental health is better, and we understand each other better.
>> He is a dangerous man.
>> Yeah. Well, uh, it I don't even know how to really strength.
You have to be strong enough to confront your demons.
>> You have to be strong enough and brave enough to confront your demons. Like, it's, you know, >> strength is not just physical.
>> Well, no, I'm I'm talking about like I I don't even know.
It's funny. It's It's really funny to me that we would still be having this conversation after everything we've seen, after everything that we know, after everything that we've gone through. It's just funny to me. We're we're we're always going to be here.
There's not a way out. Like there's there's as But you know what though? I see it everywhere though. Like I'll be real with you. Like when we have conversations about the male loneliness epidemic, I I continuously come on here and go, "Hey, you know, a lot of lonely guys walking around not knowing what they're supposed to do. I don't think it's okay to kick them in their ass and go, "Men should be lonely." I think we should probably talk about that, right?
Because when they snap, they hurt everybody. No, there's no quarter anywhere. I'm not going to act like I've in this conversation that I've been trying to talk about, it's just the Dana Whites that haven't given us any quarter. There's been no quarter given anywhere. There's been no quarter given to anybody. No one says you're you're so terrible. Maybe you should go through stuff. I get it that y'all feel that way. I understand that that's a thing.
But what I'm saying is when you're looking around, there's so many different groups of people going, "Suck it the [ __ ] up." I'm like, "Fuck it."
And now like this is the this is the owner of the UFC saying, "Suck it the [ __ ] up." The this benchmark for masculinity. The guys know I need to suck it the [ __ ] up. Then there are other people that are going, I don't know how I talk about this and how I discuss this without centering myself.
Is there anywhere that I can that we can have a conversation about this and and and really discuss it and get to the middle of it? And there's not there's not like like men have created their dungeon and they created it. They created it. They create I I completed the dungeon.
Patriarchy is a dungeon. Yeah, this is the consequence of patriarchy. This is part of the consequence of patriarchy.
And it's not that it's okay and we should talk about it. And again, we I don't need to to talk about something we've already talked about about like giving the space and allowing people to be vulnerable. You you shouldn't in in this particular situation be like shut the [ __ ] up. It should be like why do you feel this way? How do you feel? Like you should you should leave space for that. But in the same way as we're talking about Tucker Carlson and there is a need to protect your whiteness because you feel that the world is becoming becoming majority minority and you have a fear of the white replacement theory and we're seeing you use the Supreme Court and Congress to create policy and legislation and laws to protect your whiteness and to keep that in place because of the fear of losing it. That's the same message that Dana White is giving and trying to protect what he feels like a certain man should be how a man should be in society and he is trying to protect that notion and he is putting out very harmful dangerous rhetoric to uh keep that going.
>> Yeah. Look, uh I I give all the credit in the world to the people who care about our boys >> and because it's just you. Somebody's got to do it.
>> And there are people that care.
>> Yeah. There are people and and I'm not and I'm not going to care anymore who doesn't care.
>> There you go.
>> There you go. I'm not going to care anymore who doesn't care. Just leave me alone when you y'all should [ __ ] be popping up. I don't want it. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. I'm playing. Uh TMZ just dropped footage of Diana Rousini and Mike Vrabel boarding a boat together in 2021.
>> She was pregnant.
>> Yes, I've seen I've seen the headline.
>> Yeah. Your thoughts?
>> I have none.
>> It seems like doesn't it seem like >> I'm not I'm not doing the speculation here. It just don't look good. It don't look good.
>> What are we speculating about?
>> It does not look good. You're not going to get me there. I just >> What are we speculating about?
>> I think we need to those people and they have they are both married. They have spouses. They need to figure that out away from the headlines. That's that don't look good.
>> But at this point, I mean, there >> Yes, you can take context clues and put some things together. It just doesn't look good.
>> Say it. Why you got to make >> What are your thoughts? Cuz cuz that's your girl.
>> I know her, but I just I'm just like I'm just joking. Jay, what do you think about this?
>> It doesn't look good. It It's giving I mean, one headline. Okay. It It's picture. It's okay. Two, >> the implication is that >> the implication is that what Van wants us to say and what he is speculating and what a lot of people are is who is the father of the child and the father of a child.
>> I I never that is not true.
>> Okay. Well, then what did you want? What did you want?
>> I don't like I don't know anything about that baby's father or anything like that. I swear to God that's not what I'm thinking is that this is a this seems to have been a long-term longtime entanglement slash relationship.
>> When is that two weeks ago when we saw them kissing in a bar? So why are you telling me what is this video show?
She's pregnant two months like it's two months before she's about to give birth that we already knew in >> 2021. This is in 2021.
>> We already knew that she there was a kissing video before then. But I think though that people are getting to an understanding of the depth.
>> We need to leave them alone >> of this relationship. The understanding of the depth of the relationship. I'll say this like understanding like what's the difference in this? We covered the [ __ ] out of August Alcena and Jada and Will. Like what's the difference? Like what's the difference here? Like like what like like what's the difference?
Like why why this?
>> Uh the difference is that they admitted it.
>> Okay.
They I mean they was like we had an entanglement.
>> They admitted it after they were they admitted it after all the she came out and said it.
>> Well, they were they admitted it after the basically the the tra these people got caught. Somebody hired a private investigator to follow these people and they denied it. Neither one of them have flat out said, "Hey, we've been having an affair for this amount of time."
August Alcena came out and was like, "Listen, I've been having an affair with Jada Pinket."
>> Yeah. I think >> and then she came out. So it was a different approach.
>> I think that there's no difference because I think that as a matter of fact in a lot of ways in that situation there were these like gigantic blowups, right?
There was the will thing and then eventually and what we what you're talking about has kind of happened.
They've kind of at least from Rabel's perspective, he's kind of came out and said, "I've made decisions and I've done things that like I'm not proud of.
They're bad on my family." He's essentially admitted it. Now, what is continuing to happen is every single person that has video footage of them together knows that they have something that's valuable to >> you. You know why that's happening?
Because they are not coming out outright with it. With August, like Jada sat down, they talked about the timeline, how it happened. There was no need for speculation or assumption because they were telling you what what was going down. with this. It's like, well, I need to take time to be with my family. I've made some mistakes. Okay. Well, what what's the mistake? Was it was it a one-time thing? Was it a Was it multiple times? Did it go on for years? Did it like like we people are trying to fill in the gaps? Which is why I think there's so you're keeping you're you're continuing to see videos and stories and like what you just dropped this video of them on a boat. Like I just think they are married, they have families, they need to figure that stuff out.
>> So what I >> clearly were having an affair.
>> But what I would say is, you know, you're almost answering my question and saying the difference in the August.
Really, this is what I believe. The reason why we covered the August Alina will thing and all of that stuff. Wasn't because everybody was because it was some mess involved people that we thought were married and she was with a R&B singer who was living up there with the family and they was having sex and all of that. People go, "Whoa, that's a lifestyle that we're not familiar with.
This is Will and Jada, two of the most famous people in the world, and people want to know what the [ __ ] is going on.
You add that plus the [ __ ] that happens at the Oscars, plus all of this other stuff. That's going to be a celebrity story that's going to have some legs.
With this situation right now, you have two people that were seen together, like, is it an affair? Is it not affair?
And it it turns out that this is not an affair. Diana Rousini and Mike Verbel did not have an affair. They did. This this is not an affair. They are in love.
These two people for whatever reason are in love and have been in love for a long time. I wasn't thinking anything about the paternity of this child. What what I am thinking about this is think about the amount of affinity and love you have to have for somebody on both sides of this right now. Men cheat when their wives are pregnant all the time. They cheat when their wives are pregnant all the time. I'm not making a specific indictment of Diana Rousini here because of that. But she is pregnant here.
If in fact this is something romantic, which it probably is, she is pregnant here and he is there.
Men cheating on their wives when they're pregnant is one thing. men going to be with a woman that is pregnant for another guy. I don't know that I've ever known someone who has done that. And I know the dregs of humanity. I know the worst of the worst [ __ ] the [ __ ] that have done it. I don't know that I've known or been in a conversation with one of my homeboys to where he's been like, "Yeah, man. She's six month pregnant. I still I'm still going over there, though."
Normally, you let that little [ __ ] cook.
And then when it pops out, maybe you keep you get back on the on on on the train. But this is a situation to where he must see her. He has to see her. I wasn't actually thinking of the paternity.
>> That's why people are speculating that because because that and the baby's name is Michael.
>> And that's why people are now speculating that. And that's why I'm like, we got to let them we got to let them do their own thing. That's a lot.
>> That's a That's That is a lot. Uh but you know, I will say this though.
>> Very common name though.
>> Man, oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Coach Vable in the cut.
>> And TMZ says that the the the son was named after her brother, not Mike.
I'm not I'm not I don't think that there's any fraternity >> two children together >> issues. I My question is this.
>> If you are the dad, >> if you are the dad, if you are the dad, >> do you now want a paternity test?
>> I would.
>> You would?
>> Yeah.
I I Let me Let me take that back. I don't have children so I don't know what I would The reason I immediately said I would is because my curiosity would want to know but if I have established so these kids are almost five and almost four.
>> Well, you'll be able to see it by this point.
>> No, no, no. But my I guess my point is is once I have been their father in their life and I've raised them, it would be what the possibility of knowing that they're not could be devastating.
So I don't know. I'm not a parent so I don't know but as a non-parent I would yes that's my initial answer but I can't imagine what somebody who's a parent might have to question whether or not a child is theirs or not >> what do you do next if you are Diana Rousini and Mike Vrabel >> well together nothing >> I mean >> Mike's trying to say Mike's focused on the season he's trying to save his job I don't think >> she's trying to save his marriage >> well that too yeah >> well that too I mean Yes, obviously that too. His marriage, his job, all of that.
And and balancing the two, right? How do I focus on the team, but also show my my wife that I'm focused on her? Cuz obviously all trust is is broken. And I think the same thing goes with Diana. I mean, she lost her job in all of this, but you know, you have two children, you have a husband, and it's about repairing the family unit if that's what you guys want to do.
It's also like that's why I'm like okay we knew once the affair happened we talked about it we reported it like now it's like gh >> now it's like what >> it's like it's too gossipy for me >> really >> the the speculation around like the the paternity and all that that people are doing all that but I'm saying that's why I thought you said that cuz that's what that is what people are talking about.
>> Yeah. I don't have any >> and to your point when you're like I've never seen this before and it's like well that's why people are saying that.
>> No I've never seen that before. or I'm and I'm just being honest. I'm sure some [ __ ] going to be like, "Hey man, my man went out." I've never seen that before.
>> I haven't either.
>> And all of that like if if this is in fact cuz you would think that like in this situation they going to go on the boat and they chilling if there's a sit that you know Bernard we being serious bro. Hold on.
Like hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. We being serious bro. Jay don't laugh. You would think that if this is a romantic Tristan at some point there's going to be some romance, you know, >> and >> that's a long This is a long time.
>> What?
>> Five, six years.
>> Yeah, but I mean that that happens.
>> No, I'm not saying it doesn't. It's just a long time.
>> It is. Um, but this is That's interesting. You know what I'm saying?
>> Let's move on.
Don't you have a little something for the >> I got a list for the people.
>> Okay.
>> Whatever happens to her should happens to to happen to him.
That's all I'm saying. Okay. I don't think nobody should lose their job over no [ __ ] like this. But if somebody lose their job, everybody got to lose their job.
>> Well, and it's like nobody's having the conversation of whether or not this speaks to men getting hired. And like it's just >> men getting hired with what? Well, with like what we were talking about with L, the conversation then becomes, does this make it harder for women, we don't have those conversations with Mike Rabel or men in these type of situations. But keep going. Go ahead.
Get to your list.
>> We've talked about dick riding before, but there's certain cults of dick riding that are overtaking everything. These are the top five dick riding cults in the world right now.
>> Cults.
>> Cults. Top five cults. Top five. Top five cult of dick riders that exist.
Now, some people just missed the list.
This is a van lay 10, but I'm not going to go through all 10. I'm do a top five and tell you who just missed the cut.
Uh, rap hives. Y'all starting to become all dick riders. Don't matter the hive.
Okay. All of the hives are becoming dick riders. All of them. All of them. Don't matter if I like the rapper, if I love the rapper. All of these hives is going too far. It's going too far. It's ruining hip-hop. Looks maxers.
>> The people that c the clavicer people, all that people going too crazy. We haven't talked about that yet.
>> Star Wars fans.
>> Oh, >> yep.
>> Why are they Why? What's happening? Is there a new movie? Is there something coming out? Is there like Where does this come from?
>> All of these hives that I'm talking about are so dick rotten that they threaten to ruin the very thing that they are dick riding.
>> Oh no, I'm afraid of some of >> Star Wars hives. Out of here. Okay, last one. Cris Democrats didn't quite make the top five, but they in there. Oh, these are these are honorable mentions.
>> These are honorable mentions. Okay, these are honorable mentions. Centrist Democrats.
Getting to that point with them. Getting to that point with them to me where I'm starting to have conversations with people and I'm like talking to them. I'm like, are you listening to what I'm saying? Like, you can't sell me on Hakeem Jeff right now. It's very tough, right? It's tough to do the Chuck Schumer [ __ ] right now. Like, we can't we can't even talk about it. I will say about the centious Democrats is they're like the they're like the Hari Krishnas. Like they're a cult, but you're like, "Oh, they don't bother me. They're kind of, you know, I like them." You know, they're not a But it's starting.
>> Now it's becoming a problem starting to >> It's This is how stupid I was.
I didn't realize that there was this much cultlike thought that existed in the center of the Democratic party because the reality is that these are the people that are for voting rights.
These are the people that are for certain things. But as things get a little bit more complicated, I see them holding on a lot harder to a lot of ideas that just don't work anymore. And I'm wondering if any of this stuff was about like legitimate actual thought and making people's lives better or if it was about holding on to power.
>> Well, it is about holding on to power and it's about keeping the establishment so they can keep their power in it and not either it break down or let people in it that are going to to to change it.
>> So the establishment Yeah. It's the cult the the Democratic centrist.
>> But they did not make the top five. All right. Well, let's get to it.
>> Let's get to it. Number five, run club people. Everybody that's in a run club.
>> You sound like a hater.
>> Okay. Everything in your life can't Can I get through my list, please?
Everything in your life cannot be about one thing. Can't eat to run, sleep to run, music to run, [ __ ] to run. You need balance. Run club people is going too much. I see it everywhere. Like everybody, everything is about run. I've run a lot of stuff. A lot of times used to run all around. Run miles and miles and miles and miles and miles. got a nice Run Club act, but the Run Club [ __ ] is going too hard. It's nothing to do with hating. Okay, this is my list. It's my observation. Run club [ __ ] going too far. They just edge out the centrist Democrats. Okay, number number four, Crypto Bros. Um, you guys are saying that this currency is going to save the world, but no one can explain to me how.
>> Y agreed.
>> Like, no one can explain how it's going to save the world. No one knows.
>> I just listen to the crypto bros over and over and over and over and over.
This goes up, goes down, people lose all their money, whatever. Crypto bros can't tell me how what happened to the NFTs.
Where they at?
>> You guys told me. He said get an NFT. So 2019, 2020, 2021. Said get an NFT. Put all the money in the NFT. Put money in the NFT. What happened to the NFTs?
They're gone. So all of this stuff, somebody, no one can explain how they're going to save the world. I don't know what's going on.
>> Uh, number three, Nicolo Joic stands.
People that love Nicolola Joic. Now I'm at the ringer, which is the very tip of the penis for this group.
Now, people keep telling me that Nicola Joic is a basketball player, is Magic Johnson, mixed with Larry Bird, mixed with Shaq, mixed with Tiger Woods, mixed with Babe Ruth, mixed with Michael Jackson, mixed with Spielberg, mixed with McDonald's fries in 1995, mixed with the Pam and Tommy sex tape. But really, he's just Aaron Rogers. That's who he is. And that's okay. That's like him being Aaron Rogers is [ __ ] cool.
That's fine. But we really have to have a conversation now about how far down the road that these Nicolola Yokic stands are going. He's Aaron Rogers.
He's a guy that peeled off one championship and a bunch of MVPs that we like to watch. Done. That's okay. Okay, that's fine. That's actually awesome.
But that's all. Grow up. All right.
Number two, Joe Rogan comedians.
In many ways, this is the saddest group.
The Joe Rogan comedian sphere is the biggest group of cuck [ __ ] in the world.
>> Name some of them.
>> So, I knew you were going to do that. I watch Joe Rogan sometimes cuz you don't want to. Like, this podcast for me is for the people. This podcast for Rachel is about getting at me. I knew she would do that. I have it in there. Watch Rachel say that.
>> Curious. Um, and the show is I have that in there. Like it's it's it's easy.
>> Well, some people don't know.
>> I have to come up with the list and do the list. It's easy to just snipe.
>> No, some people may not know.
>> So, to me, it's like legitimately like watching me have a conversation with my dad when I was like 20 or 21. Cuz it's like when every other episode of Joe Rogan, when the Joe Rogan comedians aren't on there, it's actually okay, right? Rogan's kind of going whatever.
But when the guys are on there, it's legitimately like when I would be talking to my father because at that age at 20 or 21 when I would talk to my dad, I had all of these thoughts and all of these ideas that were my own by then cuz I had lived enough of the world. But I was still too dependent on him to really drop my nuts on him like talking about.
So by that point, I could look at my dad and be like, "Hey, you're wrong about that." And really know it. But I still needed him too much to like get away from him. And watching grown men be in that dynamic, watching grown men be in a dynamic when they're sitting there with somebody and they [ __ ] know better than what he would [ __ ] say, but they still won't do anything about it cuz they're a little too dependent on him and being in his orbit is [ __ ] sad.
It's like sad at this point. And there are a couple the episodes are way better when it's just [ __ ] Joe talking to some [ __ ] guy who thinks that uh the stars are actually [ __ ] Mike or like I watch like I I watched a whole episode of I told you about this about a guy that's an archaeologist argued with a guy that made the ancient archaeology ancient aliens documentary on Netflix.
Four hours of it I watched. Riveting.
But whenever one of these guys, these comedians, mothership guys, comes on the [ __ ] show, it's terrible because they know that Joe is full of [ __ ] but they won't say it because they can't say that their dad is full of [ __ ] And these are grown ass [ __ ] men. And the last thing I'll say about that is the issues that are being discussed aren't issues like who's the [ __ ] hottest chick or who's cool in comedy. They [ __ ] talking about the Epstein >> files. Mhm.
>> They [ __ ] talking about like foreign wars. They're talking about the tax code and all of that type of [ __ ] right?
That's the type of [ __ ] that they're talking about and they can't get over it. It's weird. It's weird. They They should have been number one, but there's a clear number one. The number one ironclad 24 karat gold diamond cult.
Maybe the best cult that's ever lived.
I'm talking about a cult that might be better than Jonestown, better than Nexium, better than the [ __ ] that were all wearing the Nike shoes that thought the [ __ ] Comet was gonna take them to heaven. Better than the [ __ ] guy with the [ __ ] people in Oregon, better than any other cultist MAGA. That is the number one big swinging dick of dick riding cults that has ever existed. It is the greatest cult in American history by far. 30% of your friends and neighbors that just won't admit it's not going well.
>> It's going badly and they know it.
They're in a F-150 spending $500 a week on gas going to visit their sons on base who are about to be deployed and they won't say no. They can't say no. They can't get off the teat or the tip. And it is starting to fascinate me. It does not matter. It doesn't matter. There's nothing we can do. There's nothing you can do. There's nothing you can do.
There's nothing you can do. They won't.
It won't. It doesn't. Trump comes out.
Trump goes, "No wars." Goes to war.
Trump goes, "We're going to get the uranium." We don't get the uranium. No uranium. No uranium. Doesn't get anything. Trump says, "The goal is to open the straight." The straight was already open. THE STRAIGHT WAS ALREADY OPEN. IT WAS OPEN. You closed it. And now you're going to do something and get credit for opening it back up. And everybody goes, he cares about he cares about opening the straight, [ __ ] He closed the straight. He did like he there's nothing that can be with what's happened this year. There is nothing that could be done. I am fascinated.
There was something that came out just today to where 30% of MAGA thinks that Trump could beat them in a fight. Trump is 80 years old, grotesqually obese.
Right.
>> Well, you have to think your leader's godlike. I'm just saying, man, this is I will give the Senate Democrats credit for this.
If I would have asked last year, two years ago, if I would have asked like Roland Martin whether or not he thought Joe Biden could beat him up, Roland would have been like, "I [ __ ] Joe Biden up."
You know what I'm saying? If I have asked like if I have asked these people, they're not that. That's the thing that they are not that.
>> That's why they didn't make your top five.
>> That's why they didn't make the top five. They are not that. But god damn, this is now getting to a point to where even me, someone that like revels in this, that loves this, this is truly truly remarkable.
>> Yeah.
>> Greatest cult in the history of the world.
>> It's a good list.
>> And I loved it.
>> It's a good list. I thought you were going to put the Cowboys on there as like cowboy fans on your honorable mention.
>> They're they're irrelevant. It's a problem.
>> I set myself up for that one, I guess.
>> I mean, you all these things are irrelevant. Run clubs stuff. People like that. Krypto Nickel.
>> What is the beef with the Run Club?
>> Mag stuff like that.
>> What is >> What?
>> What is the beef with run clubs?
>> There's no beef with them.
>> I feel like I don't see enough of them.
I only know of a couple here.
>> They be running around trying to >> like Is it because while you're walking you see them running past you?
>> So funny. Everything becomes a disc towards me.
>> No, I'm trying to understand.
>> It's like it's it's like No, I have run a lot. I run a lot. Right. That's not it. The Run Club [ __ ] is just becoming a thing. It's a cult that I see developing.
>> See, I'm trying to understand. You think it's a it's a I swear to God, I'm not trying to do a dig. I'm trying to understand cuz you're like I'm I go I don't see them. You go I see them. And I thought, oh, maybe he sees them because he walks a lot. Like you walk a lot. You talked about the Grove. You talked about being by Santa Monica. All the walking you did. You got funky in the process of it. You hadn't been that stank in years.
I thought, well, maybe because he's out and about so much, that's why he sees the run club and maybe he feels a certain way cuz he's not running. And then I thought, let me ask, you know what?
>> Let me not assume. Let me ask.
>> So, this is what's going to start happening.
>> June, this is See, get >> see June is get June is get at RA month.
So, let me tell y'all and and by the way, June is get at RA month. And and all you [ __ ] all you [ __ ] [ __ ] out there in thought warrior land. All you [ __ ] guys, I'm talking to you guys, right?
>> I'm talking to you guys. You guys better keep the same energy.
>> June is Get at Rage Month. Try to do try to do a nice segment for the people.
June is Get out Rage Month. And I want to hear See y'all back there laughing. I want the same [ __ ] energy when I'm just sitting back sniping. I'm gonna let Ra come up with some of this [ __ ] because you do nothing.
>> Ra, come up. Ra, you come up with some.
You come up with some of this [ __ ] >> Ra, just come up with a segment of your own. Come up with bring something and this is why I'm going to sit back and just [ __ ] I'm going sit back and just poke holes in it.
>> Ra, >> you do that every time we when we have a back and forth. This is why people say you're a contrarian.
>> No, people say I'm a contrarian. This is why people say I'm a contrarian because I don't like literally this is your podcast. I don't agree with them. I like legitimately. Okay.
>> A lot of times people agree with you >> on the contrarian thing. I don't agree with y'all. Like I'm >> Oh, you you don't think you're a contrarian is what you're saying?
>> No, no, no, no. I'm not a contrarian.
Like I truly like people think that I'm being a contrarian on things. Like I truly don't agree with you guys. Like I I truly like we were talking about the um >> Yeah. I don't think you say stuff for this for just the sake. Well, >> give me an example of something you feel like I'm being a contrarian on. Give me an example.
>> I'll take this in into adisement.
I gotta think. I gotta go back. Maybe that that'll be my list. That'll be my list.
>> That's your list. Good. My list. Thank you. Please. Your own list.
>> That's just You created that segment.
Okay.
>> WELL, YOU SEGMENT.
>> You create I'm not supposed to have create a list, but I will create list.
That's your thing. I will create a list of the top your top five contrarian moments. How about that?
>> Top five contrarian moments. Okay, cool.
I I'm into this.
>> Or times I believed you were a contrarian.
>> Like the contrarian thing last week was about what were we talking like earlier this week?
>> Scott, Jenny, >> the Scott thing. I don't really think you were being a contrarian with that.
>> How many times have I said that?
>> I >> I don't think you were being a >> How many times have I said >> You don't have to go into the thing about arguing. I don't believe I don't believe you are being a contrarian. Like you truly believe what you said and you've said it multiple times.
>> Yeah. I like I don't understand this.
It's like I don't want I don't want >> I think they're I think they're thinking of other things and then they're just like coupling it together. But and and and they'll be able to continue to do that with my list.
>> Yeah. Come up with a list of times you think I was just being a contrarian. And then after your list, give it up to Ra for all of that. After your list, I'll tell you guys why I just don't agree with you guys. A lot of you guys out there, I'm listening to y'all. I'm hearing y'all. I just don't agree. Okay, [ __ ] it. And and also I'm my my brain has worked. I argued on TV for a living for like nine years. Then also, just so people know, got fired because of an on-air argument.
>> So when you guys think about stuff like that, when you guys consider things, think about the fact that was fired for an on-air argument. Was fired for an argument like that. So when I didn't give a [ __ ] about being fired, but like when that situation happens, I'm not going to be somebody that thinks, "Hey, you lost your temper on TV. You should lose your job." Like I just That's That's not >> I argued too for seven years.
>> On what?
>> As a litigator.
>> A litigator. Did you What? So what? You said you didn't go to court that much though.
>> You don't go to court that much, but you still have depositions. You still have to argue in motions. You have to argue when you write. You have to like you have hearings on your motions.
>> So you argue it through written arguments.
>> Well, for the motion, but then you set a hearing.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Or the judge says hearing.
>> So you argue in court like deposition you argue because you're arguing with like the other council.
>> You don't really argue, but you have to object. And sometimes that can turn into it. It shouldn't, but sometimes you have to object to >> like what they're saying because you have to create the record. But it can be an argument, >> right? But like every day you're going against someone like you're trying to figure out how to either represent your client, defend your client. Yeah.
>> Interesting. I never I thought >> unless you're a contract attorney. I was I did litigation so it was different.
>> So I thought the arguing I thought the arguing was uh was I thought the arguing was more so in court, but you argue everywhere. Okay, cool. Get it. Argue.
Argue. So like then give me So deposition. Ra, let's do before we leave, let's do a quick deposition. like ask me a question. Try to depose me on something. I'll be like just ask me a question about something like you. This is fun.
>> Uh I'm I'm trying to think of what the subject matter is. Okay, we'll stick to the subject. Um >> I'm on trial.
>> What are your some of your extracurricular activities?
>> Me? Oh, wow. I have a lot. I like to box. Okay. I like to walk. And I don't walk where a lot of people run. I walk through the neighborhood, by the way. I like to walk, okay? I like to play video games. Right now, um, in June in a 162 game uh, baseball schedule in MLB, the show, I like to write. Okay. I like to watch all different types of movies. I won't be judged for any of the films that I do watch. Uh, there's a lot of different things that I like to do. I'm I'm a man of many hobbies. I like to play pool. I am the 1999 intramural pool champion of Louisiana Tech University.
Like to play basketball. It's a lot of stuff I like to do. Wow. Okay. Walk. You like to walk, right? Walk very well.
>> Like to walk in neighborhoods.
>> To walk in neighborhoods. Very special.
>> Do you walk at night?
>> Sometimes.
>> Do you walk in the in the morning?
>> Sometimes.
>> What's your favorite time of day to walk?
>> It depends on the weather. Okay. Like this morning I got up and I walked early, but last night I walked late. So there's different times I walk. Also depends on who's available for conversation because I like to have a conversation while I walk or listen to something. If there's new podcast, I might listen to it in the morning. If I'm talking to my man Ryan, I might go around and walk around the neighborhood.
So, we talk about basketball. Very special.
>> Uh, did you walk yesterday?
>> I did.
>> What time?
>> Six o'clock.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, fine. Whatever. This is deposition. If you were my client >> Mhm.
>> I would tell you to cut all that [ __ ] out. You'd be you'd be you, if I was on the other side, you'd be a dream >> because you talk too much, >> right?
>> If you were my client, you have to be quick. If I tell you what time of day it is, you say, "I don't know. I don't recall."
>> Lies. That's what you need to say.
>> Lies like it's too specific. You think you you think you do. It's so specific.
>> Lies. Lies.
>> Uh I don't really recall.
>> But the reality is I do recall because I know the conversation that I was on the phone with. I know when that when that was made and when I was doing this. I do recall. I do recall.
>> And then I would say but then I would say well do you remember the call the day? Do you remember what time the day before? Do you remember time with this?
Like you like I would just be you talk so much. I'm like we're making this up.
I don't even know what the case is, but we're making this up. I just used walking because we were talking about that before. You talk so much that like when it's your client, you tell them to keep it tight.
>> Right.
>> Right. Because you're creating a record.
>> But you also asked me so many you asked me so many questions. The follow-ups you asked me. I said, "Do you have hobbies?"
I said, "What are your hobbies?" I'm like, "I got a lot of hobbies."
>> But I would keep it tight. I would say I even mentioned if you were my client.
>> If you were my client, I would say, "Do you have a Do you have a lot of hobbies?" Yes. You you make the attorney do the on the other side do the work.
What are your hobbies? Well, I have a lot of them. Okay. Well, what do you what are your hobbies on the week? Like I you make the attorney do the work and you keep it tight as as the person.
>> Well, you kept asking me questions. I thought they were interesting questions to be honest with you. So, >> this is why you would be a dream for the other side of the attorney. Keep it tight.
>> Yeah. But I mean, you know what? [ __ ] depositions. I like we is I want to talk to people and I have thoughts. All right. So everybody out there, everybody was like, "Oh, Vans being a contrarian and all of that stuff." You guys just I'm telling you this is dangerous to something else.
I have to be honest. Last thing I'll say about this, you guys, if you want your society back, if you want some semblance of normaly, I'm being serious now. You're going to have to fight for it. They are not going to just go away. They're not they're not going to go away. Now, the stuff that happens on CNN and Abby show and all of that stuff, a lot of that stuff is political theater. I'm not saying that that's going to make a difference in anything. But I what I am saying is that I bet you if I hit Adam Mockler, who I want to come on this show and ask him if he thinks that Scott should be fired, he would have said no.
And the reason why I'm sure he would have >> and the reason why I think that he would say no, is because he understands that that helps launch his voice. And those are the voices that we are going to need to be able to make the points. You are not going to be able to quiet and censorship and dictate and cherrypick your opponent in this fight. You're going to have to go out and fight for it. And everybody has different jobs.
But like I just don't believe in that.
>> Well, you agree to disagree with that. I didn't like I believe in the voices. I don't believe in his voice anymore. And that was my point.
>> Yeah. But I mean just going to be another guy that comes up and then you want want him fired fire everybody.
fired me. Fired me. I got I didn't I didn't do what they said I did.
>> No.
>> But the same very You would have wanted me fired. Fire. Get him off the goddamn thing. [ __ ] him.
>> Yet I work with you now.
>> Yeah. You were just remind >> my time is coming. That's what you just tried to do in the deposition. It wasn't fair. You asked me all of those great amazing questions and then you came to me after and said I was too wordy in my answers.
>> Yeah. You know, >> if I was coaching you, I would have said tighten it up. It'd be tough.
>> It'd be real tough. You be old girl on the witness stand. Well, you know, >> I was You just be telling all too much information, just saying too much. It' be like, "Oh, >> I could prep you and you would still just be like, you know, do you remember?
You know, I love Fresh Prince. Do you remember the Fresh Prince episode? And then we're really going to go where they're doing the game show episode and >> and it's it's Carlton versus Carlton and I don't know who else. And versus Will and his best in Spain follows where >> and Carlton knows all the answers.
>> He goes, "The rain in Spain falls at a whopping." And Will goes boom. The planes. It falls in the planes. That is >> the team together. Yeah. Yeah. They're on the team together and it's their friend or whatever. But Carlton just can't say the answer. He's got to let everybody know how he came to the answer and why that's the answer. That would be you.
>> I'm a podcaster >> and let me tell you why.
>> Come up with >> Let's go.
>> All right. Uh, take your thing caps off but do not stop learning, haters.
>> I'm Rachel L. Goodbye.
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