Haitian learns who the BLACKS are!

[00:00:08]Yes.

[00:00:09]>> Even we just found some toys in there.

[00:00:11]>> Yes, we did. Okay. So, brother, can you introduce yourself?

[00:00:14]>> Yeah.

[00:00:17]Go ahead.

[00:00:18]>> Yeah.

[00:00:22]>> I'm a black.

[00:00:23]>> No. Yeah. Your name on TikTok. That's what I meant.

[00:00:26]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nate just talking.

[00:00:28]>> Okay.

[00:00:28]>> Yeah. was like content and [ __ ] >> Yeah. Now, I said that because like Tik Tockers can see your name, but I'm also live on YouTube simultaneously, so they can hear you. They can hear you, but they don't know who's actually talking.

[00:00:39]>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They just talking.

[00:00:42]>> Okay.

[00:00:42]>> Okay.

[00:00:43]>> Yeah. Yeah. So, um Yeah. Um well, especially somebody like me, my people have been referred to as like black historically. So, Okay.

[00:00:52]>> Yeah. Africans are black.

[00:00:54]>> Really?

[00:00:56]>> Yeah.

[00:00:56]>> Okay. Um When did they become black?

[00:01:00]What year?

[00:01:05]>> Not sure. But being a descendant of freed slaves, I do know when the uh when the freed black American slaves specifically went back to Africa um to the settlement of like seron and their in their free settlement they were referred to as free blacks.

[00:01:25]>> Wait, hold on. I think you're mixing up history.

[00:01:28]>> So, >> no, I'm not.

[00:01:30]>> Okay. Well, we'll see. By the way, I'm historian, so I got >> right. So, when you say Siri Leon, like a couple names came to mind, like Martin Robinson Laney, right? So, this is you talking. I could give you a free black who went there. That's Martin Robinson Laney. And I could tell you why he went there and not Liberia. Can you tell me why he went there, not Liberia?

[00:01:49]>> No, you tell me.

[00:01:50]>> Okay. because he he was against the ACS, the American College Society, who who were who were drafting black Americans to go to Liberia because it was a threat to enslaved blacks like they felt like they was motivating them to either rebel or or get themselves out of slavery either by you know emancipation no by um by buying themselves out or uh meritorious man mission something like that. So they was getting them out of the country to not inspire such such inspirations for enslaved back. They wanted to be docile. But Mark Glenn Robson didn't trust ACS like other folks did. So he so he he he funded his own back to Africa trip to S Leon. But brother he came right back. He he didn't stay long. He came right back. He realized the grass wasn't greener. Now, so what what you're talking about when you say when you talk about smiles being free black, a free black is a term for black Americans who are literally free from American plantation. Those are only free blacks historically. Anybody else, if you talk about any any town from uh in Africa, those African towns, those were uh slave ships that was after 1808 that was caught transporting slaves and they had to free or let those people out wherever they were. And they let them out in different parts of Africa. And those became like African like towns that way. But but the reason why now the term black, so we're going back to like late 1700s, early 1800s, and even like mid 1800s, right? Before obviously uh emancipation proclamation. Black was a term only put on BACK. Not what it means. Not a translation translation, not in Spanish. We're talking about English word black. That was only applied to black Americans on this country. Nobody else ever took on the word black and we applied it to ourselves as a primary ethnm okay ethos Greek mean inside me name that's an inside name we named ourselves that nobody named us that no colonizer no enslaver no other people no Arabs nobody named us black we did now that's why I asked you what date okay so now black historically in the English word has always been a taboo stigmatized word so nobody will actually take on that term so that's why uh a a rand Booker T, all those guys ran. They literally ran from the word black. Dr. King talks about it in 1967. He gave a speech saying black uh was always associated with ugliness, lazy, and every negative connotation. But then he said, but we're changing that. He said, I'm black. I'm beautiful. This is 1967.

[00:04:23]So we know no, so that's dated. So we know nobody call themselves black voluntarily or willingly because like Dr. They can't say was always seen as a ugly term to put on people. People ramping that term, but we embraced it.

[00:04:33]>> It was still used.

[00:04:35]>> It was still used as an identifier, correct?

[00:04:37]>> No, no, no.

[00:04:38]>> It was.

[00:04:39]>> Okay. Oh, no. Don't worry. Don't worry.

[00:04:40]We going to touch on you going to touch on dates. We going to touch on history.

[00:04:43]Okay. We say identifier. Okay. Watch this. Watch. I help you out. When you say identifier, are you saying ethnicity? Just let I'm getting options.

[00:04:53]Are you saying ethnicity, race?

[00:04:55]>> No.

[00:04:56]>> Wait, wait, no. No. Let me I'm hold this. Let me read this. Hold on. All right. You messed up.

[00:05:01]>> Race. Okay. Watch this. I just told you I was a historian. Now, our government made black the race. What year?

[00:05:09]Officially, what year?

[00:05:12]>> 1977 through director number 15 and the OM. The Office of Imagine Budget. Go look. Go Google it right now. Before then, it was negro. Negro was a race for everybody globally.

[00:05:23]>> Okay.

[00:05:24]>> No. No. No. Not not noises.

[00:05:28]>> Well, right, right, right. But they were not black, right? So, >> no.

[00:05:33]>> Hold on. You just said racially black.

[00:05:35]Black ain't become a race by our government until 1977.

[00:05:43]>> My ancestors classified them as a classified.

[00:05:46]>> No, wait, wait, hold on. You're saying a Spanish word, a Portuguese word, and you're saying an English word. And that's not that's that's ahistorical. So now look, >> go ahead.

[00:06:04]>> What? What? Okay. Hey, bro. What I'm saying to you, and I need you to read the facts. That's right there. And and tell where you reading from. This is what I'm telling you. Wait, wait. Hey, wait. Hey, hey, hey, bro. You Hey, bro.

[00:06:18]Yeah, but you got to see what I'm saying first before you know what to go against. All right. So, I'm saying before 1977, there was no such thing as a black race.

[00:06:29]And you're saying there were >> Okay. There might have been. So, who was referred to as black then?

[00:06:36]>> Nobody. You had the word negro there in color.

[00:06:41]>> 1977 was referred to as black.

[00:06:45]>> Okay. Who? What people? No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. See, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, bro. Hold on. Because you're using black and negro interchangeably and and I'm not doing that. I'm saying one came before the other historically. So, I'm saying So, I'm being very clear and you keep diluting my words and and you're trying to prove something. So, listen what I'm saying. I'm saying before 1977, there was no such word as black as a racial category for people of African ancestry. Is that true or false?

[00:07:17]Um, you mean you're probably playing a word game.

[00:07:21]>> No, no, no, no. This is this is history.

[00:07:23]This is history. I'm saying, okay, look, negro.

[00:07:25]>> Okay. Before 1977, people still describe uh black people as black people.

[00:07:34]>> Okay. Okay. Right. But who did that? Who did that?

[00:07:38]>> I don't know. Maybe white people.

[00:07:40]>> No. No. I'mma tell you it was Richard Wright and Elijah Muhammad in the 1940s.

[00:07:45]So Richard Wright wrote a book called The Black Boy in 1945 describing black Americans. Nobody from Africa, nobody from Haiti, nobody from the islands, black Americans. Elijah Muhammad had had a paper called the Muhammad speaks that they sold across America. And he called the black people, black man, black woman. He was talking about nobody from Haiti, nobody from the islands, and nobody from Africa. So the word black was created from the word black as a selfidentifier, not a race, but a ethnic term to identify our ethnicity was coined here in America and in the 1940s by two black American men. Four black American men, not not foreign.

[00:08:25]>> Okay. So give me a name.

[00:08:28]>> Okay.

[00:08:30]>> Yeah. I gave you two names. Sure.

[00:08:35]Sure.

[00:08:37]Yeah, sure. Sure. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[00:08:39]Okay. Sure. Go ahead.

[00:08:43]>> Okay.

[00:08:45]>> August 1791, the uh Sierra Leonian Company resource announced its willingness to receive free black people into the colony with approval from British agents. The immigrants were promised land, grants, freedom from slavery, and equal rights. So, I'm going to repeat that again before.

[00:09:03]>> To what country? Wait, wait. to to what country?

[00:09:06]>> Right. And and those free blacks were from what country?

[00:09:10]>> Um >> again, >> I got you. But I'm saying the article you read, you read the word free blacks, where were they from? What country were they from?

[00:09:25]>> Okay. But >> no, no, no. That No, wait, wait. I I got you. No.

[00:09:29]>> This is in 1791. You told me that black wasn't using identify before that.

[00:09:36]>> No, no, no. You don't understand what I said. I >> Yes. Hey, bro. This >> two letters tell you right here in 179.

[00:09:49]>> I already said to you, I said that to become a free black, you had to be free from slavery in America. I established that earlier. Now that was a status that wasn't identified. So, so their status were free blacks because you had enslaved blacks. So, a free black. So, now listen what I'm saying to you. If >> that's still >> No, it's a status.

[00:10:14]>> It's an identifier status.

[00:10:15]>> No, you can use interchange.

[00:10:17]>> No. No, you cannot. An identifier is who you are. That's who that's what you name yourself. A status.

[00:10:23]>> They are. Okay. No, no, no, no. So, yeah. The only difference is the free versus the enslaved. But they're still blacks. They're still identified as black.

[00:10:30]>> Okay. So, why were the slaves called slaves and not free and not not enslaved blacks?

[00:10:38]>> Yeah, a slave was easier to say.

[00:10:40]>> Oh, come on. You got to do better than that. But anyway, go ahead. I I'll be quiet. Go ahead. Cook for a second.

[00:10:45]>> Okay. So, yeah. So, this is I wish I could turn my camera on, but so this is the free settlement on the coast of Africa. So, the Sier and you can look it up. Free settlement on the coast of Africa. Free settlement on the I'm repeating it for your streamers. Free settlement on the coast of Africa. Look it up. So the own company willing to receive their colony such free blacks are able to produce their agents.

[00:11:08]Lieutenant of his Majesty Navy and Lawrence Hearthstone of Halifax or either of them satisfy testimonials of their characters more particularly at the honesty industry think it proper to notify and explicit upon those who bring them written certificates appropriation from either of agents which yeah which certificates that they are hereby respect to okay let me get more into it. Let me Okay, let me get more into it. So, it is therefore declared by the company that every free black upon producing such certificate shall receive a grant of no less than 20 acres of land for himself, 10 for his wife, and five for every child upon such terms and subject to such charges and obligations to be the gener uh the general prosperity of the company as shall hereafter by the company and settlements to respect the grand of lands by made to all set to all settlers whether black or white. So even here in this free settlement document of S Leon from 1791 they are talking about free blacks and then they're eventually saying every settler either black or white. So now also white is used as an identifier as long with as so in 1791 people were being called black and white as identifiers and again this is the settlement of uh Sierra Leone. So this is my people this is my ancestor. So when I say my people have always been called like black historically, this is what I mean like the document stated. So let me see what else they're talking about.

[00:12:39]>> Wait, hold on. Is it my go now? You said a lot.

[00:12:43]>> No, no. All right, let me just finish this up. So that's the civil military personnel. I'm just going to read more parts of the document where it calls black uh personnel and commercial rights duties of black and whites shall be the same and secured in the same manner. And for the full assurance of personal protection from slavery to all such black settlers, the company have subjoined a uh a copy of the clause contained in the act of parliament whereby they are incorporated um provided also that should not be >> deal or trafficking and yeah this is just like basically like terms and all that. So yeah, that's the um that's the settlement at the end of the day. And so yes, freed freed African like slaves ended up coming back to Africa and here in this settlement they are referred to as black. So again, you got to realize I started off like coming in this live issue trying to say Africans aren't black, but historically documented my ancestors have been referred to as black. I am African.

[00:13:41]>> Got you. Now you see how I let you go in uninterrupted. Uh I said just go. Okay, cool. So now so now I want to ask you a question.

[00:13:50]So those people because we're kind of agreeing with a little bit of disagreement. So I want I want to start where we agree with and not focus on we disagree with. So those people that's being classified as free blacks, what country they from?

[00:14:10]Um, this is from several.

[00:14:13]>> Yeah, I'm I'm not sure if these are the Caribbeans or if these are the like somebody in the comments saying, "Yeah, there were also like three blacks from Jamaica as well."

[00:14:23]>> No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying, listen what I'm saying. I'm sure they Well, I there's blacks in Jamaica. You got to provide that. Okay. So, now your encyclopedia, >> right? Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

[00:14:35]Remember, it's my turn. I'm just trying to establish facts with you. I involved you into it. So I want you to engage with me. Why don't you take over? So now you So now you said the terminology. You said Jamaican maroons, but earlier you said free blacks in Jamaica. So you see what you're doing? That's called semantics. You're using you're flipping words to invite. Now let me tell you what that's called grammatically. That's called being anacronistic.

[00:15:00]That is using modern words on people of old. And they didn't use those words during that time. The term at that time was maroon and in Jamaica and before Jamaica was zya right so those were the terms at that time black was not there and that's what time get you to see so when you read the article about free blacks to ser your right now you you might not actually know that's bad though you read the article don't understand it your article is speaking about black Americans who are called blacks free blacks so so what what I want to agree with with you and you kind of support my opening argument was that The only people who were ever called black or called themselves black were black Americans. And you just read an article for the encyclopedia saying the same thing. You're identifying free blacks of America, people with the bls on it. I need you to read something where Caribbeans, Haitians, or Africans are called blacks. Well, no, I'm sorry.

[00:15:58]Where they call themselves blacks, right?

[00:16:03]of my people being referred to as black.

[00:16:08]>> Uh, so do you understand my question?

[00:16:12]>> No, I understand your question. I can't speak for like Caribbeans and like these other people.

[00:16:18]>> I know. Okay. I being honest.

[00:16:24]>> But no, but >> No, I'm saying but we're That's what I say. We're agreeing and you're positioning like we're disagreeing. So, both of us agree that >> Okay. No, I'm saying whatever you want to I'm not even Yeah, you talking to the wrong guy. I'm not even arguing what you want to call yourself. I don't do that.

[00:16:41]>> Yeah.

[00:16:42]>> I'm arguing about we speaking. So, my my position is I'm making sure we're speaking about the same audience. And the audience we're talking about are people from America. Whether you want to call them African or black or negro, we're talking about the people from America, right, that was enslaved in America who were being freed from American plantations and maybe seek refuge or homeland in um Sir Leon. Are we agreeing there?

[00:17:09]>> Yeah.

[00:17:10]>> Okay. Thank you. Right. So rest my case.

[00:17:15]No, but like you said, and then African referred to as black historically. Like so I don't see how you don't see where the disconnect.

[00:17:27]>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm Yeah.

[00:17:32]>> That's why I'm think there's nothing black and white.

[00:17:38]So this is where this is a a sticky situation for you because I'm ethnically creo. I'm, you know, I'm a descendant of free slaves, but you wanna, I mean, you want to attach blackness to only people enslaved in America, but I have black American ancestors.

[00:17:52]>> So, what is it? Am I black or African?

[00:17:54]>> So, so well been referred as black.

[00:17:58]>> Right. Right. Right. So, here here's the thing. Here's your right as a as a American as a black American. Your right is to identify yourself however you please. African-American, Negroamerican, alien American. However you want to selfidentify, I have no fight. That's your American right to selfidentify. I I have no fight there at all. So, I'm not going to fight you on you want to call yourself African, you want to call yourself Brazilian. I You won't get no fight out of me because you got the right to selfidentify. Okay. Now, what I'm doing is I'm speaking on a collective. So, now those free blacks, right? Uh, what percentage of the population of of black people did they make up during that whole era of slavery? The free blacks, do you know?

[00:18:52]>> Yeah, it was very long. Okay. So, um, now when when Okay. So, that means that black was not the national. So what I'm trying to get you to understand is that uh when they call when they were called free blacks that that was a small percentage what you just said. So that means 96% of the people at that time were not called blacks. They were called slaves. Okay. So now hear me out. Um so and then we were called negroes or they was called negro slaves. We could say that they was called they was called negro slaves color slaves. Right. That that was that was that was the public official identifier for us during that time. Negro slaves. They had auctions that said, you know, it's sold negroes.

[00:19:32]So we were called negro slaves in America. And then the ones that was free, as you just articulated, they were called free blacks. But but the national identifier of us was negro. Like like that was the embracement wasn't black.

[00:19:46]Most of our institutions and everything, how our newspapers, we identified ourselves as negro in color. That's NACP. Uh you know, you and I even Marcus Garvey came with Negro. So, so black was not a national identifier. But, but but here's the good thing though. The good thing is that during the early 1900s, 19 as I dated 1940s, that's when during the civil rights to black empowerment movement where we dropped the exonyms of our slave masters, right?

[00:20:17]They was calling us negro as a derogatory term, right? And color. So we identified ourselves as B L A CK English word not a translation not a transliteration English we didn't call ourselves a Spanish word a French word or anything we call ourselves an English word black that was our ethnic identifier and that was only for us now by that time the Haitians were Haitians 1804 been passed right hund and some years earlier so the Haitians said they're Haitians by that time Jamaican Jamaican Hold on. By that time, the the British had already renamed that area of Niger and they called them Nigerians and they was tribes. So everybody, brother, what I'm trying to get you to understand is that I think Oh, he everybody had named themselves, right? Everybody named themselves. We were the last people.

[00:21:08]Well, actually almost last becausewami Kruma uh when he came to America to H.B.CU use and it was inspired by a black empower movement. He went back to the Gold Coast and he renamed the Gold Coast Ghana and they've been Gians ever since.

[00:21:23]>> Okay.

[00:21:24]>> So, what I'm saying is everybody of Melanin named themselves something and the only people to name their people black as their primary ethnic ethnic identifier were us was us. Okay. So black was an ethnic identifier in the 1940s,50s,60s,7s and then late7s our government undermined us. I don't know if you know about paper genocide Walter Pleer in the 1924 racial interity act but whit people have a way where they undermine melanated people wherever they are. So in this country they decide to extend broaden our ethnic identifier black into a racialized term classification to race a racialized classification where they invited everybody in the world that was African ancestral. So we literally got duped. So today I got a question for you today.

[00:22:25]Um Haitian's nationality is what?

[00:22:27]Haitian right?

[00:22:30]Uh yeah >> right and Jamaicans are Jamaican right?

[00:22:35]Yeah.

[00:22:36]>> And the people of [ __ ] Nigeria are Nigerians and their tribes they are like house of fani.

[00:22:45]>> Right. Right. Right. Okay. So in 2026 what is our official ethnicity?

[00:22:56]>> You could call yourself a black American.

[00:22:58]>> No.

[00:22:59]Wait wait wait. Hold up. Hold on. Wait up. Black is a race, right?

[00:23:04]Yeah.

[00:23:05]>> Okay. America is a nationality, right?

[00:23:07]That means you got citizenship here, right?

[00:23:10]>> Yeah.

[00:23:10]>> Okay. So, if black is a race, that means that race includes Africans, Haitians, and the West Indians, right?

[00:23:20]>> Yeah.

[00:23:20]>> Okay. So, call yourself black American, that's not a self-identifier. You're including yourself into a large classification group. So, that's not a ethnicity. That's a that's a race plus nationality classification.

[00:23:36]So we just said the Haitians Haitians don't the word Haitian does not include Jamaicans. It don't include Cubans, black Americans or anybody from Africa.

[00:23:44]It's specifically for Haitians.

[00:23:46]Jamaicans same way. Nigerian same way.

[00:23:49]What is our unique eth ethnic name that only invites us into that group?

[00:23:55]>> Okay. So you want to know what's the difference between a Haitian?

[00:23:59]>> No, no, no. That's that. No, that's that's not what I said. No. Sir, the sir sir. Well, hold on. I had a question for you, my guy. You're ching out. I had a question for you.

[00:24:09]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:11]>> Now, yeah. Well, chimping out was a term originally original for white people.

[00:24:16]You didn't know that? You didn't know white people. You ever heard of Darwin?

[00:24:20]You ever read of Charles Darwin?

[00:24:22]>> Yeah, I had.

[00:24:23]>> Yeah. You ever seen a picture they drew him as a monkey?

[00:24:26]>> I did not see.

[00:24:27]>> Yeah. Yeah. See that when you're talking to historian, you're laughing, but you that's like a tickless tether. Like you're laughing.

[00:24:36]>> No. Wait, wait, but you but no, but but you didn't No, you didn't answer my question. Let me be proved wrong. Okay, so re remind me of the question that I asked.

[00:24:47]>> Okay. The question was what is our specific like identifier?

[00:24:52]>> No. No. I said my guy is >> my guy. Okay. So, look. Okay. I got to let you go, my guy.

[00:25:04]>> I got I got to let you go. He's chimping out, which people normally do. I asked a question and he went to say they had their own country as though we're countryless. As though we're homeless.

[00:25:14]As though America's not our country.

[00:25:15]See, I'm not going to go down that road because he's clearly don't know [ __ ] I'm sorry to take that shot. I love you.

[00:25:21]He clearly don't know something. And and I can't let him know. Hey, man. You know, I'm in the story. I do this, but I do this for real. For real. And like you out here winging it, making a fool of yourself, but I I can't I can't take you seriously anymore. You're not taking me seriously. I ask you a question.

[00:25:37]Haitians are Haitian. That's unique and distinct from anybody else. Jamaicans are Jamaican. Only them. It's not inclusive to anybody else of the diaspora or Africa. And Nigerians aren't Nigerian. That's not inclusive of Ghanaian. That's not inclusive to Ghanaian. That's not inclusive to Zimbabweans, the Congo, the Congrats or Ethiopians. That's just for them. I asked my guy, "What is our ethnic identifier?" Okay, that's that's the term I use. What is our ethnic identifier that just includes us and nobody else? And he champed out.

[00:26:10]Okay, so my guy, you can stop trying to bite yourself on. This is Eminem. You lose yourself. You get one shot.

[00:26:20]Okay, this ain't Nate. Nate, Nick, Nick, Nate, I I don't, you know, I respected you. I let you talk. I didn't mute you. I gave you a chance to dialogue with me. Like, you prove that you're you're like really not on my level and I still tolerated you, you know, for content, obviously. Uh, but I only I only could tolerate with so much foolishness. So, I gota let you go, my guy. Unless you change your name, you'll never be invited back over here.

[00:26:49]Uh, I just can't respect uh, you know, your ignorance, your your willing your your your nonwillingness to learn and level up. Like, I'm actually shocked, okay, at your unwillingness to listen.

[00:27:05]Like, like my man ain't want to understand where I was coming from at all. I heard him out. I said, "Bro, go in." Like, we had a little argument at the beginning about black. I said, "Go in. Go in. Go in. Go in." He went to seron. I was totally quiet. Go in, bro.

[00:27:16]I listened to everything he said and I responded to everything he said. I said, "Bro, you know what? We actually kind of agreed." I said, "Yo, the people who you're calling free blacks that had that invitation to ser, what country they from family?" He never answered. He tried to gaslight me and say the the Caribbean or Haiti. I'm like, he said, "But there was free black." He said somebody comment said there was free blacks there. But notice that person in the comment didn't hop on because they look like you. No free blacks in Jamaica. And then he had to admit they were called Jamaican maroon. But bro, you just said free then you charged me with playing semantics.

[00:27:55]You charged me playing semantics and you just said free blacks and they're called Jamaican maroons.