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[00:00:00]affection from the audience. It's wonderful to have you here with us for this special program every Thursday, where we have this scheduled meeting with our dear friend Dr. Egnaldo Pinheiro. Today is no different, live now, right here with us. So you 're tuned in to our programming, right? Go check it out on YouTube. You know, over at YouTube we have our daily goals, right?

[00:00:29]And today is no different, today we really want to hit 100 likes. So go ahead and leave those likes, okay? If you can stay on YouTube, please stay there to watch and follow us. You, who have just joined the network – a lot of people joined the 316 network this week – so come running over here, and to YouTube too, okay?

[00:00:50]So that you can subscribe to the channel and leave your like, right? Leave a like and share the channel link with more people.

[00:01:01]So do this, help us out today, 100 likes is what I want. Dr. Enaldo is already on the scene. Look at that! It's almost here. Dr. Enaldo, good morning, my dear.

[00:01:11]Welcome! All good? Is everything alright?

[00:01:13]Good morning. All is well, thank God. And Pastor Robert, how are you doing? Everything's fine, thank God. Samia Siri, how are things going over there? Okay, is it sunny too?

[00:01:24]Today, the entire Federal District is under a wonderful, blazing sun, isn't it? What a wonderful sunny day, my brother. It is a blessing from God. It's wonderful to be here experiencing this moment.

[00:01:35]And, and, and, and, tell me, have you gotten used to this drought in Brasília yet?

[00:01:39]Is everything alright now or not? Or do you still feel your lips cracking? Is there still a little blood coming out of my nose yet, or not? Is there still a little blood dripping from your nose or not?

[00:01:50]Well, thank God I've never had that nosebleed problem. But since I have full lips, [laughs] it dries out, it just stays dry. And I remember when I arrived here in Brasília, man, I don't remember how long it took me to get used to it, but it was both things, it was blood and the lips. Uh, uh, it looked awful, didn't it? Everything gets bruised up there, right? And I got along really well with Vic, right? I used to, I remember I used to put Vic on my lips, right? That's what I... ah, people use that, that cocoa butter lip balm a lot here, right? Well, since we 're kind of traditional here in Pará, lipstick just does n't work. Business is business here, you understand? It's something more brutal like that. So, [laughs] so I remember you mentioned Vic once and I always remember that and I use Vic, I thought it was better too. So, it moisturizes, moisturizes, and it stays put, right? It gives a refreshing feeling because you're in agony and you just want to keep wiping it off, you know, moistening it with saliva, and that's even worse.

[00:02:54]So, it's awful. And this is the time when the people who are still getting used to things here in Brasília feel this thing, right? Thank God, it's been a long time since I felt that way anymore.

[00:03:03]I've already become a real country bumpkin, as the locals say, a real rascal. Look at that.

[00:03:08]Okay, then I'll get there, guys. But look, it's 10:07.

[00:03:17]10:07 in Brasilia. Let's get to our haircut, so things can look nice.

[00:03:21]So, in Brasília it's 10:07 a.m., our network's "Nodivan" is on the air with Dr. Egnaldo Pinheiro, our clinical psychologist who is here every Thursday starting at 10:00 a.m. And today our topic is: is it important to take care of your mental health? It's just a quick question, my friend. Are you going to do it or not? Well, this week, Dr. Egaldo, we were in a chat group with some couples and family members. Wow, I was impressed, you know? I was impressed. We were more or less there, we didn't meet by chance, we were there, I think about eight, eight couples more or less. Of the eight, I think 70% of them, uh, one of the couples, if not both, were going through or had gone through anxiety crises, really bad crises, the kind where the guy ends up in the hospital and, you know, really bad stuff. Others have been undergoing treatment for a long time, others have already gone through treatment, others are still going through it, and so on. I was impressed, man. I said, "My God, there, you know, in a random thing and all, and 70% of those people there, everyone with some kind of problem. And the big one, the champion of audience there is anxiety, my brother, right? And then I remember one of the people commented, saying, "Man, I [clearing throat] if it weren't for therapy, I love psychologists." She was like, I [laughs] I love psychologists.

[00:05:04][sighing] I love psychologists and all, because they were the ones who helped me a lot to get out of it. This one had already gone through the situation, right? And she said that they help a lot, but she continues, she said that she goes to the psychiatrist once a month and also continues in therapy, but she said that she's already calm, she hasn't had any more crises, she's free and all, right? And I was like, I said, "My God." So today our chat here is exactly that. I wanted you to introduce us to this subject, Dr. Ignaldo, it's important to take care of your health. Mental health?

[00:05:35]So, Pastor Elber, last week, we talked about the joy of, that is, the importance of rejoicing in victories and achievements, right? And then came, we've been thinking about it, and it's a recurring theme that's important to bring up sometimes, because mental health is extremely important in our lives, and mental health is the first step. What exactly is mental health?

[00:06:05]Many people have a certain taboo about dealing with it, thinking that mental health is only about when you're sick, right? When you're ill with a disorder, but you can work on that beforehand, because mental health is a constant exercise, as we put in the briefing, right? It's the constant exercise of maintaining balance between our emotions, thoughts, and reactions to life's challenges. In other words, every day we get up and we don't know what the challenge of the moment will be, what will cross our path at that instant, right? Who are the people who will be there, even if you have So, you're already used to the work, going to a job, you already have a team working with you, but there are people there who are also going through the day-to-day, the day-to-day issues, and you don't know what's happening with that person, if at that moment they are going through a difficult time and need to react. We have a clear reaction to that, right? So, it 's not just the absence of mental illness, right?

[00:07:17]But rather the ability to deal with the stress of daily life and be productive, right? Contributing to the community where you are. So, mental health is what will allow you to manage your emotions, to deal with the emotion that comes from the other side, right?

[00:07:41]So, your comment right at the beginning is very interesting, right? And it's when we're in a conversation that we observe this. Why does anxiety appear so much today, right? In people who arrive, when they get treatment, it already goes to what we call TAG, right? Anxiety disorder, right, which is generalized, meaning the person is already living with stress, and what happened to get to that point? So, when you can verbalize it, when you can get it out, what's happening, right? And it's really great when you find someone who says: "I love being in a therapeutic setting, I love being with a psychologist, whatever it may be, right?"

[00:08:25]whoever is attending to you, whoever is attending to you, because you will be there in a place without judgment, which is a place that should n't exist, we're not there to judge anyone, quite the opposite, but to share that moment in which the person themselves will bring and also give new meaning to the story, will be able to look at their life and have a direction and realize where that illness came from. It just appeared, you think, but it came out of nowhere, it did n't just happen. Some things started to unfold in his life, whether from childhood or not, but there came a point when we say, the limit was reached, right? The edge was reached and it started to overflow. And then you lose control of your emotions. So just thinking about the person who is going to either take public transportation or drive their car to work at dawn, they already start trembling all over, they start to get out of breath, they start to feel tremendous anxiety, because that journey is distressing for them. But is that the only route? What has been happening? Often it's about dealing with family, dealing with stressful moments, all of that affects us and we are affected by these emotions, by these moments every day, right? So, how have you been dealing with yourself? How have you been dealing with the circumstances around you? How have you been working, you know, the contacts, family contacts? How have you been experiencing this?

[00:10:05]Has this been stressful, has it been distressing? So, there are several important things we need to define, first of all, what exactly is mental health. First, I need to lower my prejudice and focus on taking care of mental health. We're not talking about mental illness, but about reaching that point.

[00:10:27]There are people who already deal with disorders within their family, and consequently, they end up suffering from these disorders and issues. So, there are a few important things, important things, it's important, uh uh, it makes us remember, bring them up here, because there are three important things for me to know about mental health. First, I need self-awareness, which is where we work in the therapeutic setting to understand who the person is, who they are, if they can talk about themselves, who this person is, right? Ah, managing boundaries, right? We're going to talk, for example, about stewardship within the church, right?

[00:11:13]In other words, when we talk about stewardship in a religious context, everyone starts to think, or most people think, about financial matters. right? But you have a body, you have a mind, you are a complete person and you need to take care of yourself, right? How is that quality, for example, within your comfort zone there, how is the quality of sleep you've been getting that affects you?

[00:11:37]So, like, the answers you've been giving, right? And there's also the issue of maintenance, right? Maintaining that balance in your mind, in your heart, in everything that's going on there. So, we're going to start by talking a little about that, and I want to invite you, who are already participating with us, to welcome you very much. That's great that you're here. May God greatly bless you. Another detail, for those in the WhatsApp chat on Reis 316, if you want to send a question or make a comment of a personal nature where you don't want to be recognized, or where your name isn't mentioned, you send it there on WhatsApp. Oh, if it's some kind of audio recording, be careful not to put your name on it, don't say who you are or identify yourself if you don't want to be identified, okay? But anyway, it's really great to be able to be with you and ask you this. What does it mean to you when you hear about mental health care? Because when we talk about it, the tendency is to immediately think of the disorder. But how have you been experiencing all of this? Okay, pastor, very good. So, reinforcing what Dr. Agnaldo said, we are waiting for you both in the chat and on our WhatsApp. So, send your greeting, send your message, send your little question. If you have a question and you'd rather not be identified, send it to me on WhatsApp. 11 93016. [snoring] Our goal today: 100 likes. Help us out here. Ah, but I can't stay on YouTube. I don't want to, I don't want to, no. You don't need to stay there. Just go there, leave your like, and come back. It helps us, because all the content that we work on here, that we publish or that we leave on our [snoring] on our YouTube channel, the platform only understands that it's important when, oh, it has a lot of likes.

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[00:14:27]Ah, Dr., in this one I'm going to take advantage of the fact that, coincidentally, we had this chat with these people, and there, the issue was also raised that these people know people in their families who are prejudiced, who are even suffering from some kind of disorder. Well, they even mentioned that someone in the family had depression, you know, someone with depression and so on. And this person who was experiencing this depression, and according to her, it was severe depression, right?

[00:15:00]No, when people come to her and say, 'Let's see a psychiatrist, let's find a psychologist,' she says she won't go because she's going through a difficult time right now, but she's not crazy. She spoke like that, she knows those words, she 's not crazy, she's not insane, and so on.

[00:15:16]So the question is, Dr. Enaldo, in your office, what is most common in your interactions with people? It's the older generation who also have this resistance to seeing a psychologist or a psychiatrist, or it's people from the " sick" era, from the "sick" generation of the 90s, 70s, and 60s.

[00:15:42]So, Pastor Elber, in reality, today we have widespread awareness, we can deal with it better, so today this topic is more open, but before, the issue of psychologists was very much linked to psychiatrists.

[00:15:59]Let's remember once again, the psychologist is the one who will be in the therapeutic setting, and will listen to you without judgment, okay? Because we're not here to criticize anyone, quite the opposite, it's their pain. So it's about welcoming you, listening to you, and helping you find the best way to deal with your story.

[00:16:19]That is the role of the psychologist. However, when a person reaches a point where we perceive a need for medication to regulate and improve their condition, then we recommend that person seek a psychiatrist. This is when the person comes directly to the psychologist. But pay close attention, we already have several paths to reach the psychologist, Pastor Elber.

[00:16:49]There's the path where the person is already feeling the emotional pain, they're already going through that difficulty, and their body is already exploding, because when the mouth doesn't speak, when you can't verbalize and you keep it all bottled up, the body feels all of that. So, when the body starts feeling it, what is it, and let's summarize it, very, very briefly, right? What is depression? The excess of past anguish, from the past, from what I couldn't resolve to deal with in my history. Anxiety is that anguish, that which comes from the future, fear, that which will happen, that which may not happen. OK? If a person is depressed and that depression is causing them to seek help, what led them to that point? And in that person's story, because each person is a unique individual, and we are there to observe and support that person.

[00:17:46]So, look, many times she's already gone through this because, first of all, she goes to the doctor because her body is already screaming for help. It's a pain that the body is already feeling, and she goes to the doctor, she does all the tests and waits because it's much more... I won't say easy, but it's more... we accept it more when the general practitioner or doctor refers us to various areas and tells you: "Look, you have to be treated with this, okay? The medication is much more bearable."

[00:18:21]But when you are more accepting, when that clinician, when that doctor, when that specialist comes and says: "Look, I've seen everything here, I've worked with you here. Look, your physiological condition is very good, but there's one detail, have you thought about seeing a psychiatrist?"

[00:18:39]And then the first thing the person says is: "I'm not crazy." So, your question today [about snoring] has already demystified the issue of health care and mental health a little more, even because the media has been publicizing it, we have been working on the themes, for example, we are on the theme [about snoring] this month of Orange May and Orange May will talk about, will raise awareness about the issue of child sexual abuse. Now think about it, right? Just a little glimpse here, taking a step back a bit, think about those people the media reported on, who went through, for example, violence, gang rape. How will this life, and how will this family, cope in the context they are in, no matter how much protection there is, right? And there is, right? The law protects them, we see, because they were minors, right? But something always ends up happening.

[00:19:39]How does this person see themselves in that place? Look at that struggle. And these anxieties, they creep in, and we need to take care of them. At school, they were children, right? One was a person, a pre-teen, she hadn't even reached adolescence yet. So, imagine how this family is living.

[00:19:59]So, this illness comes about because of a cause, because of something that happened, right?

[00:20:05]But sometimes it comes through words, through threats, through various difficulties. So, the mind needs to be taken care of. So, people talk about it more these days.

[00:20:15]In the past, we didn't talk about it as much, so in the past it was tied to the issue of us living the anti-psychiatric struggle all the time, right? [snoring] So, but what used to happen in the past? It was an asylum, where the person was excluded from society, they were taken away, you know? So the family was going through a period of guilt and shame while also having to cope with the fact that there was someone with a disorder in the house, right? So, that's what people thought, but even today, [snoring] look, it's decreased, but even among those in their forties and those before, there are still some prejudices, okay? So it's possible, but it's not quite like it used to be; it's decreased a lot, but I can't say it's over.

[00:21:02][laughter] Very good. 10:25, oh, tell everyone that we're live here with Dr. Egnaldo, so tell them and ask everyone to come here to YouTube and leave a like on YouTube. Our goal is 100 likes, okay? So you who are here on YouTube, don't forget, okay? And you, who are on the radio, of course, will be there quickly. If you can't stay, go ahead, leave a like, and come back here. We'll be reading the messages in a little while. But I want to read the question from my friend Edinaldo, Dr. Enaldo, I was keeping an eye on it here, it just arrived, and he's asking the following: "Good morning, grace and peace, Pastor Héber, Dr. Enaldo.

[00:21:42]Are there exercises for mental health care?

[00:21:48]Can social media make me mentally ill? Thank you for your attention."

[00:21:55]So, regarding both questions, Reginaldo, thank you very much for your presence, along with everyone else.

[00:22:02]It's very good and worthwhile for us to be together here. Look, there are, when we talk about mental health exercises, even for those of us who are reaching a certain age, 200, and as we get older, Pastor Herber, our hair turns white, and as Jacob Ascans says, we need to put these things into practice. So, There are many exercises you can do to take care of yourself, especially those you enjoy doing. Reginaldo, look at it this way: if you enjoy reading, it's a good exercise to take some time during the day to do your reading, to plan your self-care, right?

[00:22:48]Mental hygiene is fundamental; we need to work on that. And this mental hygiene is about being able to manage and look inward, to see how you're experiencing your daily life, how your mood is, right? And being able to work on that at every moment. So, how does that work? There's the issue of games, right? When I say games, let's remember, Pastor Elber, we have to be careful with that.

[00:23:22]When we talk about games, look how many times we see, for example, on the street where people live, sometimes at the end of the day there's a group, I don't know if it's a family, they always get together to play dominoes and chat at the end of the day. And that made me remember, because we will remember Today, in this time, now imagine back in the days of small towns that had that bandstand in the square, where mental hygiene meant going to talk to your neighbor, you with your wife, with your children, enjoying and experiencing that moment. Sometimes, because of security, because of some fear, some difficulty, we avoid doing that, right? And then you go from one screen to another. And then that question arises: can the issue of screens lead to illness, yes, but it can also be a source of help.

[00:24:16]There are many exercises, many good things for us to choose from. Now, I need to learn to filter all the technology, the social media, because social media can make me sick by bringing news or things that will distress me. And I need to know how critical I am in relation to all of this.

[00:24:39]Because, for example, I mentioned an example here, Reginaldo, of what happened, I think it was in Rio de Janeiro, OK? But another person who has gone through... So, when someone sees news like that, it can lead to illness, to anguish, because it will remind them of their own unresolved issues, and they need to take care of themselves, you see? So, I need to always be checking how I see things, how my critical thinking is, how I perceive them. This motivates me to seek self-care. I've been trying to have these conversations, like Pastor Elber said, she found couples talking and laughing, right? Because we end up, even at home with our wives, with our families, either we 're at work or at home talking about work. Look how overloaded we are, right? And when do you stop to, let's use the term from before, just chat, talk without criticism, laugh, have a conversation, right?

[00:25:42]Sometimes a topic comes up and at that moment you can filter it, look, this is a topic we can work on later, but now we're here to talk, let's leave it for another time. Let's do something, even if it's just food, a Barbecue, whatever it is. So, we need to learn how to deal with it. And the best exercise is the one that works on what you like to do. I like to talk about this because... Ah, when I lived in the interior of Rio de Janeiro, there's the Paraíba do Sul river, right? And I would pass by and there were some rocks, I saw those... uh... grebes, you know, that stay there fishing. And a grebe is a bird, okay folks?

[00:26:25][laughs] And there were, because there are those other grebes, people and everything, and there were people fishing and there was a little sign there. Have you ever seen it on a car like that? uh... stressed out, go fishing. Have you heard that, pastor?

[00:26:39]Yes.

[00:26:40]And then at that moment I thought about it, man. I can't. It's... I've even said this here once. Want to see something that stresses me out? It's wanting to fish. It's not going to work for me.

[00:26:51]So, if I think that this is going to take care of my mental health, it won't. Give. I'll go, I'll go at that moment, the first moment is fun, it's over, I'm like a child, 15, 20 minutes are over, especially if I didn't get the reward, right, between the fight between me and the fish and the fish is winning. That's it, my game is over, I don't want to play anymore, I'm leaving. [laughs] I can't stay there because I'll get stressed because I'm not able to catch anything.

[00:27:17]Now there are people who go, right, and stay there and that moment is a moment when they get distracted, it's a moment when they enjoy all the time, right? So, what makes you feel good and relieves the weight on your mind? That's what I need to do. And if there is anguish, I need to talk to it, about it, to be able to deal with those moments too. OK? Thank you very much, Reginaldo.

[00:27:46]This is speaking in a very general way, right, Pastor Elber?

[00:27:49]Very good, everyone. 10:32, Dr. Enaldo, uh, uh, our topic is the importance of taking care of mental health.

[00:28:00]A question, right? Is it important to take care of mental health? And So, I'd like you to tell us, uh, I don't know if this is a very difficult question, but I'd like you to tell us a little about what mental illnesses are, right? I'll call them that, what would they be, right? Because the most famous ones that we, I personally, in my ignorance, know, are anxiety, anxiety attacks, panic attacks, and so on, right? And depression.

[00:28:34]Those are, let's say, the top ones. And then down there are a lot of, you know, ramifications, that affect many people. And I'd like you to talk a little about what these illnesses are. What can happen to a person who doesn't take care of themselves, who doesn't, you know?

[00:28:56]Thinks that these things don't exist, or thinks, "This doesn't happen to me, it doesn't happen because I have better things to do, right? My mind is preoccupied." With other things, I have more to do and so on.

[00:29:09]Could you elaborate a little on this for us? Okay, Pastor Elber, let's go. There are several issues that we start to look for and talk about, even because these are disorders that arise due to certain circumstances. It's a reality. So, what happens? First, what we observe is the issue of psychic suffering, emotional suffering, that this person presents. And then, among them, which ones will emerge, right? And what happens in the middle of all this? Because the person needs to deal with this condition they are experiencing. So, let's go.

[00:29:55]We have disorders, right? We have mental illness, there's schizophrenia, which is one of these issues that appear. There are also degenerations that occur, like Alzheimer's, and all of this affects both the person experiencing it and those caring for them. On the other hand, those who are caring also need to deal with this, because they will enter into emotional suffering. So we've been talking a lot lately, right? It's been very good when we start talking about neurodivergence, right? We have, once again I'll remind you, we have the program that Van clearly showed, something fantastic for mothers and fathers who have neurodivergence or who are also, right, who had, how do you say it? The assessment and the diagnosis was made late, need to deal with it, because sometimes they couldn't, the person couldn't deal with some issues in their life that everyone judged and suffered because of it. We find, along with this, right? And yesterday there was a training session here on Hope TV, in this case on Hope Kids, we had a teacher who is also neurodivergent, has a neurodivergent child, who was talking about this, because in our churches we are having this influx of people, thank God, and we need to welcome all these people. And so what... What happens? The neurodivergent person enters a group setting and we don't know how to handle it. We act according to our usual habits or the way we behave, and we reprimand a child, a mother, a family member. They will leave there distressed, saddened, because you affected, you stirred up their emotions, specifically their child's. And then many other things happen. Think about this person who leaves there and starts to feel inadequate in many other places, right? Then comes the pain, the hurt, and the person suffers and then they start to isolate themselves, depression sets in too, you see? So, talking about disorders and illnesses, we have illnesses that are mental illnesses, right?

[00:32:26]And then we work on that. The family that has a person with a neurodivergent person who needs to be cared for, needs to be valued, needs to understand that they are in a condition or live in an environment where they need to take care of others, so they also have to take care of themselves.

[00:32:46]So this issue of caring for the mind... This question is precisely about that.

[00:32:51]Sometimes we want to be as strong as we are, right? I'm not saying we aren't, but sometimes we go beyond our limits, that is, we can't take it anymore. And you know what 's most difficult, Pastor Helber? It's when you deal with someone who, and we hear this, right? Everyone told you not to, and you and everyone else end up projecting onto that person, whom we understand to be strong, able to cope, and who has a kind word.

[00:33:22]A word that consoles and comforts, we project all our burden onto that person, and the moment comes when that person accepts the place they were put in.

[00:33:34]That's a question I ask: Why are you in that place? Why did you accept the place they put you in? No, it's because at some point in our history, in our lives, you have to assume certain roles.

[00:33:45]So, for example, the eldest son who is going through a moment of loss, the loss of a family member, father or mother, that person was the administrator... Everything. And then there's that person who takes on all that responsibility, but they're carrying all the pain and having to deal with all those circumstances, which aren't easy, which involve laws, everything that needs preparation. And now they can, they can become ill, they can become mentally ill if they don't take care of themselves, because they're grieving like everyone else. But that grief can be prolonged, that grief might not happen properly, and then the person can't cope with their story afterward, right? So they need to take care of themselves. So regarding mental illness, pastor, as research continues, we have several studies, and we just take care that people don't become labeled, right? Today, if you search on Google, now on the internet, and various other things, you'll see, it will show, it will tell you what it is, what the symptoms are. It's the same as when we didn't have any of this, if you saw something interesting, the doctor would prescribe medication, and then those who are a little more... Curious, right? They've gone beyond just looking at the diagnosis that was given to them to see the results of the so-called exam, [snoring] then they take a medication and that medication will tell them, they'll look at the medicine's leaflet. Remember when people used to look at the medicine's leaflet? Then they'd have a huge crisis, because I'd say all sorts of things, because that medication is for those specific things too, right? I'll give you just one example. I'm not going to give the name of the medicine here. Not that we do n't give the names of medicines. People like the names of medicines, right? So, look, there's medication you use for migraines, but it's also used for depression, did you notice?

[00:35:50]And then the person has a migraine, they receive that medication and they read it and say it's for depression. They say: "No, I don't have depression." And then they have a crisis [laughs] because it's for something else.

[00:36:00]I said: "No, so what do you do?" Go there, talk to the doctor and tell them why they ask us when you're doing all your tests. During an exam? He says, "You're allergic to any medication, right?" So when I go with my wife, she already has everything written down, what medications she takes and what she's allergic to.

[00:36:23]I'm already learning, I'm already listening too, you know? Then the person asks, "Are you going to get a vaccine?" Are you allergic to this? I am not. Look how interesting, right? Hey Pastor Elber, I'm going to ask you a question here. Are you allergic to iodine?

[00:36:42]No, no, right? So it is. The first time someone asked me that, I said, "Hmm, allergic to iodine." Then I said, "Do you have allergies when you eat fish or shellfish?"

[00:36:56]I said, "No, although, you know, I don't like shrimp, I don't know why, it's kind of a matter of discovering, you know, that I do n't like shrimp. Okay, but I said, I've eaten it before, but I didn't get sick."

[00:37:10]I said, "No, so you can take that vaccine because you don't take that injection? Okay, right? But I just don't like it, I don't know what I don't remember. I'll have to dig into it too, look in my mind, do therapy, continue to find out, but it doesn't affect me much. No problem, it doesn't affect my stomach or my wallet, it's fine. But if it did, it would be a different story, right?

[00:37:32]So, you see, it's at this moment of the anamnesis, at this moment that we're talking. So, in your question about linking... the mental aspect, the best part for us is the following: when the person arrives and tells us what's happening to them, then we investigate.

[00:37:51]And in the investigation, for example, they arrive there, all the exams are fine, the hormones are fine, everything is great. So, it's an emotional issue. Now, what is the present emotional issue, right? Because we have, oh, but the person has borderline personality disorder, they do, my brother, what is the present issue?

[00:38:10]They may have two or three together there, We don't know which one is the main one at the moment.

[00:38:16]OK.

[00:38:18]Very well. 10:42 in Brasília, 10:42 in our capital. I want to thank here, you know, the many people who are arriving, leaving their likes, and I want to encourage us, our goal today is 100 likes, people. Please help us out, okay? So, if you have some phones at home, right? As I said, our goal is to get this content to many people, right? So, there's no problem if you take the phones you have at home, open everyone's YouTube, go there, leave your like, right?

[00:38:50]Go to Rede 316 TV, leave your like, then you turn it off, right? But leave your like. Why? Because we want to get this content to more people. Imagine this topic today, which is so blessed and can reach so many people. Dr. Egnaldo, uh, regarding IUD, for example, My wife, she's allergic to shrimp, shellfish, all kinds of shellfish, but she's not allergic to iodine. Interesting, right? Because iodine, I think, is everything from the sea, right? I think it 's fish, and so on. Everything from the sea. Uh, uh, I think, uh, uh, uh, the person who, who, who is allergic, it seems like that's the case with her, she's allergic to shellfish. Now, my wife, she's allergic even to photos, if she sees them, her eyes start to sting.

[00:39:36][laughs] Once we were eating a lot of crab, a bunch of crabs in Pará, and she sat next to me. She didn't eat any because she knew she was allergic. She sat next to me, and suddenly she started rubbing her eyes. When I looked, I said, "Wow, her eyes are all red and stuff." I said, "Look, get up because the smell is making you sick, right?" And then... It's good that it yields more, right? So, let me speak.

[00:39:59][laughs] Well, but Pastor Elber, you have an idea, right? We pass by here, there are some nice posters, right?

[00:40:08]That big plate of breaded shrimp, like a coxinha. And my stomach churns, my wife gets mad at me because she likes it. Just, and that's what you said there, look, me looking at the poster, that already, my mind already registers the discomfort. You see?

[00:40:25]This is an issue, I don't like it. It's not a physical, physiological issue. It's something that happened that I don't remember what it is, that just by looking at it, man, no, it doesn't go down, it doesn't go down.

[00:40:40]So I already feel bad. I think you must have had some teacher when you were a child who was some Jew from there, you know? Said: "Look, buddy, these things aren't from God, please, stop."

[00:40:52]Well, that's how it is, so when you say that, your wife just She 's nearby, she senses it, right? And then you might say, "No, justify it because the smell was there, it bothers me." So I'm saying, look, I see that billboard, I even think it's beautiful, but I look the other way, because just thinking about it, as people say, gives me the creeps.

[00:41:13]My God. My God. I was even going to [laughs] say that if I arrived, if I started with the deliveries, right, if a whole bunch of shrimp arrived, I was going to tell you to send it here to me, right? So I could run over there and do it over there. Yeah, it's going to be sent separately, but since I know your wife likes it, right?

[00:41:32]So, send half, right? Send your [laughs] share, send your share to us.

[00:41:37]Okay?

[00:41:39]But, when you were talking, I asked that question, right? If I could, if you summarized it very well, if I could link, right, mental illnesses and such. Ah, I was thinking of something here, making an analogy. For example, if we go to a dangerous place, you could get shot, something like that, let's say I'm going to cover a story, I, as a journalist, am going to cover a police raid in a community, somewhere where there are some criminals and so on, and I'm there covering that. What do I do? I wear a bulletproof vest, so I can be in the middle of all that. I'll be protecting myself from almost all kinds of projectiles that might hit me, at least in my vital organs, right?

[00:42:31]And so the question is: is there something that can protect me, something central, something main that can protect my mind or my body or my mental health from all these illnesses, all these types of disorders or something like that? Like, I'm going to take care of this.

[00:42:56]Here, and this will protect me, it will safeguard me. Is there a common point that protects me?

[00:43:03]Let's put it this way, Pastor Elbert, we are in a world where we are subject to various circumstances.

[00:43:10]So, [snoring] once understanding that mental health is the first step, I need to be ready, as we said at the beginning, it's a constant exercise of maintaining balance between our emotions, thoughts, and reactions to life's challenges. OK? So, for that, let's put it this way, the first thing that needs to exist, as you said, is self-knowledge, right? I need to understand why I'm feeling that moment, what 's happening there, right? When the pastor was talking about reporting, right?

[00:43:49]I go to such and such a place, I think it's fantastic.

[00:43:51]I see, for example, that people... that reporter who goes to war, right? Now we've seen these wars, and there's a reporter, he knows all the risks, he uses protective equipment and obeys rules because he needs to be there at that moment. And then, to do the coverage, the team that is in combat... There will also be someone who will protect him, right? There will be the whole platoon, whether it's in a community, a police reporter, or a reporter who goes to the hospital, who works on all of that. Who guarantees that you are 100% protected?

[00:44:32]Nobody.

[00:44:34]OK? Oh, I'm protected from receiving a project and everything, but if I'm in a war, a bomb could fall.

[00:44:40]It's over. I don't have that protection. I have safe places, but I like it, and my mind and I feel the usefulness and I like doing that. So I don't have a problem, I'm not there with fear. And I mean, it's not the kind of fear that generates panic to the point that I freeze up.

[00:45:02]In other words, I have the kind of fear that provides security, that fear is important, right? So I have that fear that will make me feel the same, even if I want to go a little further ahead, but I can't go to the front lines and leave all those who are doing their job there unprotected. of protection and I abandon them.

[00:45:22]So, I'm afraid and I need to take care of that. So, fear is important to protect me. So, I obey rules, right? Now, when I start to [behave] and then I enter a disorder, you see?

[00:45:34]We see it a lot in children, right? When I start to challenge, remember we talked once about ODD? Oppositional Defiant Disorder?

[00:45:44]So, I start to disobey. Oops, if something is wrong, how can I be going ahead thinking I'm the one who's going to be, that I have a steel chest? No, right? Not even Superman was, according to the story, he didn't, he had his vulnerability, which was kryptonite. So, look there. So, we have our vulnerabilities. If I recognize that, then how do I start there? I recognize it because of self-knowledge. I start to take care of my mind, right? Looking at my emotions, what is fear, anguish, jealousy, Right?

[00:46:25]Uh, and then instead of repressing it, right, I start to think it's normal, it's common.

[00:46:33]So we observe there, [snoring], right, an aggressor, for example, we're working on issues and we've been talking about violence, protection, right? The aggressor, for example, he thinks he 's above the other person, above the law, and he's going to do it, so he's already there, he also needs to be taken care of. Of course, he has to be held accountable, but we also have to understand why this behavior, where it came from, right? And the person who experiences that aggression, whether it's the wife, the child, or whoever is there, she also has to understand, know why she's in that condition and she accepts being in that condition and doesn't protect herself. So, we've seen, right, uh, reports that, uh, and with the media we end up seeing more things that we didn't see before, right? So, people who have, like, the student who was, uh, almost killed there, right? And now she's like this, Look, I'm here, I'm going to help people so they can talk, but at first she believed it wouldn't happen to her.

[00:47:36]So the whole issue for us to protect ourselves from all this is, firstly, being attentive to our emotions, self-knowledge, what's happening. Secondly, as I said about stewardship, it's about avoiding overload and burnout, right? So mental care also involves that. Recognizing that I am limited and sometimes I let myself get overloaded, I don't know how to say no, I don't know how to set limits, right? It's not that person who always says: "No, no, I don't know, look, I have to recognize that I can't handle this, I ca n't do it, I think I'm overloaded, I need to rest," right? Intentionally, I need to understand that rest, and especially in a religious context, rest is not a sin, but a biological and spiritual need.

[00:48:29]So, I need to be attentive. We already have a Christian routine, right? And there you are, and especially the leadership, which needs to be attentive, okay? So, there's a lot to it and... It ends up being overwhelming, and you need to be aware that you have to take time to rest. What is your rest time? It's interesting that there are people, Pastor Elbo, whose rest is done doing some kind of physical work. That's more, right?

[00:49:01]Let's remember the people who came from the roots, as the pastor says, right? That group that already held a hoe, right?

[00:49:07]Man, I laugh because people would say: "Ah, who ever held a Guatambu handle, right?" [laughs] In other words, held a hoe handle, because now the hoe handle is all pretty, all turned, right?

[00:49:20]Now it's something else. You used to take that hoe handle that was taken from the Guatambu tree itself, the one full of knots that your hand would get, but the guy went and there are people who are already used to it, for example, he says: "No, I'm not going to do that," but he loves gardening, he's going to do it. It's an exercise, as Reginaldo even asked, maybe that's a Something I'd like to do, something that distracts me, is working with plants. Look how good that is. It's a moment you have to take care of that. So these exercises, that's important.

[00:49:55]It's a way to prevent stress, tiredness, right? Anxiety.

[00:50:02]So you rest, sleep well, right?

[00:50:05]This maintenance, right?

[00:50:09]Filtering, right? Consumerism on social media. Look how interesting. I don't know if you've ever experienced this, and you who are here with us have, right? You think about buying something, then you open it, of course, with the advent of the internet, everything is easier. Then there are those things, those prize tips, and it gets you involved and soon you find yourself entangled, involved. You were going to buy a pair of shoes, you bought something else, you got caught up in it, and then you didn't know how to control the impulse. The function of the media, of social networks, is to throw the impulse at you and soon you're experiencing illness because you can't control it. That affects financial control, emotional control, it affects many things. So I need to, the more I think, look, I can't look at this here, and if I look, I'll end up having to buy it, right? It's interesting, it's nice when you go to a place, right, and you find a good salesperson, right, pastor? A good salesperson can convince you, and sometimes, depending on what you 're researching, the chance is to do what the apostle Paul tells young people, he says: "Flee youthful lusts." So, get out of that store quickly, because otherwise you 'll leave with a bag buying something you researched, you just looked at it, but the salesperson is so good and so convincing. I congratulate every salesperson who can do that. They treat you so well that in the end you leave with a bag of something you didn't want. And then you'll say: "My God, what did I do?" And then you start to blame yourself, feel that emotional pain, because you didn't know how to say no. And all of this is important. Working day-to- day. So, it's important to take care of your mental health, to feel good. Look how good that is. Ideally, right, everyone's ideal is to have a good job. Look, if not having a good job, then having time to enjoy with family, right? Money in your pocket to be able to afford it, right? And your own home. Well, that's not a dream, is it? And everyone is doing that, looking, buying their apartment. But notice that in the middle of all that, there's the credit card that tells you what you have to buy, you have to do this, and shows that you have a need, you need it. And then we are impatient, we don't know how to say no. And then we have to double our workload to be able to meet that demand of the bill that's going to arrive. You can count on it arriving, it will knock on your door before the payment arrives. And then, look, you're already experiencing a process of anguish, right? But our parents in the past taught us that you could only put your hat where it would reach the height.

[00:53:20]You I would only buy if I could afford it.

[00:53:24]So, these are investments, folks. I'm not saying you shouldn't stop investing. The issue is that I need to control my anxiety about becoming a compulsive buyer, which is something the media does to help with.

[00:53:40]So, when I know myself, I'll deal with that, because after that, look, Pastor Elber, illnesses start to appear.

[00:53:48]It's pain, it's anguish, it's need.

[00:53:51]There are things that get to us, for example, we talk about being prepared for a difficult day. The difficult day will come, it will happen one day, right? And that difficult day might be precisely a matter of illness where you need resources to cope. And then you're already so involved, so worried because there's no money left, there's nothing left.

[00:54:20]Why? Because the management needs to be well done. So, if I know myself, I 'll start managing. And those of us who are over 200, right, need to be much more prepared, because the pain appears more often, so I need to give myself over to it. So, when I 'm aware of that, aware of my age, aware of what's happening, I live better.

[00:54:42]So, taking care of mental health is all about that, Pastor Elber.

[00:54:46]Very well. One minute before 11 am in Brasília. I really want to thank everyone who's here and leaving likes on our YouTube TV channel.

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[00:55:34]I did that today, I'm here too, I already liked myself. [laughs] And so, right, there's a poll there, right? Uh, and you can rest assured that your identity won't be revealed. I'm saying this because I already answered, but you won't be identified, and it's interesting, there are people who will think about the question.

[00:55:56]So, answer it for us before we finish, we'll tell you how it went.

[00:56:01]So go there, people, go to our chat, the poll is there.

[00:56:05]I'm looking at it now about the brain. Do you accept help easily or are you resistant to seeking help? So go there and leave your answer and in a little while we'll be bringing you the results of today's poll. I'm just going to ask our dear sister Van to help us at the very end and remind me of this, because otherwise I'll miss it, you know? So, Van is in a... It's quiet, isn't it?

[00:56:32]What's going on?

[00:56:33]Van is so quiet today.

[00:56:35]Yeah, that's right. She's there, she's concentrating. Van is concentrating.

[00:56:38]So, please do this, okay?

[00:56:42]Go ahead and answer our survey about the brain. Do I accept help calmly or do I resist seeking help? Dr. Egnaldo, we all certainly go through some moment, right? of anxiety, of anguish, and well, of some, I'll say some symptom, right, that leads me to believe that it's a warning, let's say, so that it doesn't get worse or become a disease, right? There might be a first crisis, a first impression, the first symptom, something like that. And then the question is: how do we identify when a certain feeling or moment is going beyond the limits? Because, right?

[00:57:35]When I realize that a crisis is coming, another one is coming, or there's a situation, there's another one, right? I would like you to help us with that. How, how do I perceive... Is this business going too far?

[00:57:51]Yes. And it's interesting that Reginaldo also asked a similar question. He says: "Knowing and recognizing my limits makes prevention and mental care easier, right?" Correct? It's a question like: "Now, how do I know my limits, right?" "Are there warning signs?" That's in line with your question, Pastor B. It's very good that we're thinking about this because, uh, what makes me, what makes me, uh, have a slightly more careful look at all of this, right? When does my mind start to feel threatened, right?

[00:58:27]So sometimes I can't perceive it and I need to be attentive.

[00:58:31]So, what precautions do I need to take? First, notice that we start by asking the person: "How's your sleep, how well have you been sleeping?" If you start to have persistent insomnia, that is, uh, or you start to have excessive sleepiness, right?

[00:58:50]Sometimes you just want to sleep, you just want to sleep, you just want to sleep. So, that's how it is, right? So we need to investigate, find out, we ask the person to look into the physiological aspects, have they been to the doctor, have they tried to find out where this insomnia or excessive sleep is coming from, what's going on.

[00:59:09]So these are already biological changes that the body is signaling. Remember what I said at the beginning? Sometimes a person doesn't realize it or doesn't say anything, but their body has already started giving signals. And if it starts showing signs, I need to pay attention, right?

[00:59:22]Right? Sometimes a person develops a binge eating disorder, right, because of anxiety, or maybe they don't have it at all; we always say there are people who really can't eat. And then remember how Mom used to say, and people used to say, "No, he only eats junk food, right?

[00:59:39]He doesn't have a proper diet, and he needs to take care of himself because his body needs the necessary nutrients, right?"

[00:59:47]Sometimes a person has that headache, that constant pain in the head, and their body is always tense, right? Right? Sometimes it's a problem, we talk about it there, if you're not taking care of yourself, sometimes you get gastritis, right? So, uh, and then, uh, that palpitation that you go to, you get tested, you don't know what's going on, how your mind is, it 's overloaded, the body is giving signals, right? The mood [while snoring] is constantly changing, we ask, right?

[01:00:15]And then, uh, uh, there are people who get so irritable, right? Is he exploding over something or is he bursting into tears, right? Well, for reasons that are too simple for us, right? I remember, and we already know very well, for example, that, let's go, a woman during pregnancy, in the early stages of the pregnancy, becomes emotional, her emotions become fragile, she needs care. Sometimes the little thing she needs to deal with makes her burst into tears, and then we already know that and we're going to work on it, right? But you have a reason to be in the gestation period. [snoring] But this is happening outside of that, what's been going on, right? The person begins to isolate themselves socially. Look how much I want to stay. I don't want to listen to anyone, I want to stay away even from my family, you know? So, we need to be mindful of that place that I used to go to, that brought me joy. And suddenly we think that suddenly I no longer feel pleasure. Some people don't feel pleasure outside the bedroom, so they stay locked inside their room. Look, he's already going in. That 's where you say, this person is entering a depressive process, right? So, she might have an anxiety disorder and be afraid to leave her room too, right?

[01:01:40][snoring] Uh, you know that moment when the person tells you, and this is important, it's natural when we see the person going through a grieving process, and then we work with the person to take care of that. But you know when that person comes up to you and tells you that they've lost all perspective on life?

[01:01:59]Nothing is fun anymore, there's a huge emptiness inside. You don't know why she's there, do you?

[01:02:07]Look at all the signs screaming at you, right? Look out for the signs, they're screaming at you, and you need to pay attention. Then your body will speak, it will give you a signal.

[01:02:18]If you don't take care of him, he'll complain, right? So, you start having difficulty concentrating, you can no longer focus on work, studying, reading, or anything else. The alert has already gone up to the red level, right? Well, there's a name they give it there, we've already used it, I need to, I work on this with myself too, that sometimes we procrastinate on things we need to do, but that kind of thing that paralyzes you, you become incapable of doing anything, the person doesn't even want to take a shower anymore. So you already know that, right? That chronic fatigue, that tiredness, he lives with it. And then you'll have to answer all of that in front of the professional, that's why we say you need a professional. And those intrusive thoughts, right? Well, those problems keep coming back and there's always that fighting, the blame game is always there, you know? Well, the things you get scared about, like what might happen when I talked about anxiety, you know? Is that really going to happen?

[01:03:28]Uh, that inner voice that keeps telling you, because we ask about those intrusive thoughts, you know, that you have no value, who are you, and that the person is already at their peak. So, look, these are just examples of what we're investigating and working on to be able to see this. And this person, for example, is useless, that is, it's not effective, it's not helpful, it's not very effective when I tell them that they have value, they don't feel it, they don't see themselves that way.

[01:04:03]So she needs to be worked with so that she begins to gain self-confidence, that she begins to experience who she is and can begin to respond positively, step by step, gradually, but she needs guidance. This is important.

[01:04:20][snoring] Dr. Agnaldo, quickly, pastor.

[01:04:24]Hey, Van Gomes here. Is everything alright, Pastor Agnaldo? They've arrived.

[01:04:30]Hey Pastor Webber, sorry to interrupt you. I was coming here backstage. I just wanted to add something here, Pastor Egnaldo, that you're talking about grief, that sometimes people think grief only happens when someone leaves us, when we lose someone, a loved one, right? It's a matter of death, but often we experience emotional distress, right, because of grieving over everything. I, for example, experienced the grief of a late diagnosis, right? There are people who grieve the loss of a job or a work position. There is also the grief of a relationship ending.

[01:05:17]So grief isn't just about death, right? Grief is a series of breakups that sometimes we're not prepared to experience, and we fall into this hole that seems like we 'll never get out of, right? That's right.

[01:05:30]And this issue of grief was very interesting. I think we need to understand that there are various types of grief, and this grief isn't specifically about the death of someone. And maybe you, the person listening here, are going through a period of grief, right? This one ca n't get up, she can't feed herself. This is a type of grief that can also occur, not necessarily because of someone's death, but because of a breakup, a sudden change, that you weren't prepared to deal with. And then you start to believe that you're not capable, that you're not good enough, and that's very serious and it's also part of this mental health issue that we need to pay attention to. And that's it. I'm here, okay?

[01:06:18]Oh Van, pardon me, Pastor Elbert, just continuing what Van said, and thank you very much, Van, when you bring up the brilliant, right? The program also reminded me of how everyone here made me think, because I lived near the Agulhas Negras Military Academy, Rezende, and here in Brasília we also have a very strong military presence, right? Entrance exams and everything. So, one of the things we noticed, for example, was that parents couldn't understand their child's grief at not being able to form a bond, because there were issues that, I think, lasted 2 or 3 years, the person would change, right? He's in the military, so he was going to serve in another location. And that son, that daughter would rebel and sometimes dislike the place, because where they were just starting to form bonds, they had to leave everything behind and begin a new chapter. Some got along well and enjoyed it, while others, most of the children, got into such serious trouble that it caused them anguish, emotional and psychological suffering. And sometimes it's not, but you have to do it. And it was mandatory because the son has to come along. But imagine, two years when you're starting out, you suddenly move to another place, three or four years pass, and before you know it, you have a child and he's already anxious about when the move will happen, right? So, look, it's a matter of the person being there, holding a high rank, needing to be transferred to another location or changing rank, but the family suffered and grieved, for example, the lack of connection and belonging, not to the family, but to the place. And that would lead to something else that Van mentioned, which was the issue of relationships.

[01:08:01][snoring] And that's another detail for us to observe, because, for example, when we see how the media shows the issue of femicide so well today, right?

[01:08:12]Because the other person doesn't know how to say no, how to accept it, how to deal with frustration, and so they grieve the end of a relationship, and the response they have is to take the other person's life, right?

[01:08:27]So, this person needs to deal with it like this: how do you deal with frustration? How do you deal with loss, the loss of a job? Well, today talking about employment is a little more relaxed than in our time, back in the past, because back then you joined a company and stayed there until retirement. So, you were validated, praised, and recognized as a good professional and employee when you managed to stay for more than 20 years at a company; at a minimum, you had to have 5 years of experience. That doesn't happen as much these days, does it? Today, informal work is more prevalent, so we see that.

[01:09:11]But for those who experienced that phase, for example, and reached the point of retirement, who earned their pension, if they don't work on their mind, their emotions, they will become ill and think that they are useless, that they lost everything, that everything they had was there, that they built it over 30 years in that same place. So we have a problem. I remember I had a very dear gentleman, I had, he doesn't still live there in Tatiaia. And I remember that when I arrived, one of the things was that he retired from a company, and that company had a reunion for former employees.

[01:09:47]Look at that, it was a culture.

[01:09:50]So, when Christmas came around and everything, Pastor Elber insisted on paying for mine, because anyone who came from out of town, he had to pay for, right? So, I was his driver, I liked that he called me, the food was very good, you know? And then he paid for my ticket because his and his wife's were free due to the company he worked for. So I was fortunate to be there, I was happy to participate with him and see him meeting with his friends, chatting there, experiencing that moment. So it's about dealing with mental health. Pastor Egnaldo, this grief also includes the pain of disability due to age. For example, my father worked traveling for a long time. He used to travel, and as he got older, he lost control of his motor coordination, and it became necessary to stop driving.

[01:10:48]He went through a very severe grieving process because he could no longer drive, but his mind wasn't ready to stop. And he saw himself as someone he truly was, as far as his abilities went, and then he generalized, thinking that he couldn't, that he couldn't do anything more, and that it was just the direction he was taking. And this follow-up is truly necessary.

[01:11:14]It's about living through this grief. To live through this grief, isn't it? We need to prepare for what comes next, because we'll be going through it, we have many issues, and it's about living each moment and each story lightly and understanding it, look, it's part of life's process. I met a lady today in Glória, right? She would say this, she would say: "Look, my mind is perfect, calm, but my body no longer accepts me doing what I used to do." So what would she do? She used to do it, she started to memorize it, she started to... she liked to recite poetry, which she did very well, but she learned to live with her longevity in her own time. So we need to deal with this, right?

[01:12:00]Because when we realize how old we are, our minds start wanting things, wanting our bodies to do what they used to do, but we're no longer able to, and we need to learn to deal with that. Thank you, Van. Thank you to everyone who is participating. Pastor Elber is with you, Dr. Enaldo. 11:16.

[01:12:18]I have some posts here from our WhatsApp group. There are some people who have sent messages and comments here and stuff. And I wanted to bring this up quickly. One of them said: "When I was a child, I saw my older sister kill a chicken for lunch. I don't remember that episode, even though I was 5 years old at the time. To this day I don't eat chicken, I vomit and feel nauseous for the rest of the day. I've tried a few times, but I couldn't eat it. Interestingly, I remember things from when I was 2 years old, but I don't remember that episode.

[01:12:57]So it's good, for example, for her to work and not struggle, right?

[01:13:02]We work on that in our feelings. And it's another thing, it's each context, right? Today you're talking about killing a chicken, right? We hardly do that anymore because everything is processed, prepared, ready-made. But there were people who had their difficulties, right? And so, she only saw the difficulty when we, from the root, didn't do it right, the little thing would come out [laughs] shaking, making a mess everywhere, [sighing] I've been through that. Now it's an emotional issue for you and..." You need to take care of yourself. It's relevant. If it's relevant, seek help.

[01:13:41]If it's not, how have you been dealing with this throughout your life, right? And then you'll realize, it's better not to feel unwell during the day and take care of yourself. It's like I said about the shrimp here. So, today it's not so much for me, I already know, my wife gets sad, I say: "No, you can eat it, I'll stay away, but I'm calm about it.

[01:14:00]" OK. But notice how our minds, among these things, also affect us. Thank you for your participation.

[01:14:10]The next participation, Dr. Egnaldo, uh, just tell me when you can, let me know. There's another participation here. Let me see the listener.

[01:14:21]Dr. Egnaldo, uh, when my mother passed away, I'm the oldest sister and my mother left three siblings for me to take care of. My oldest sister was 14.

[01:14:31]And the youngest was 11. And it was a lot of responsibility for me. My mother had a business, a store, I had to take care of the store, take care of my siblings, take on that responsibility. It was a very difficult grieving process. My mother was 42 years old; she lived 18 days before passing away.

[01:14:46]I was outraged, outraged by so much and so much responsibility. It was, I always say it was a very difficult grieving process, very difficult, you know? To understand. It was many years, you know? I do n't remember exactly, I believe, my mother passed away 29 years ago, but I believe it was about 12 or 13 years, a difficult minute of pain, every day, that pain. And I am grateful to the Lord because one day He rescued me from that pain I was living with, right? And at that time I didn't have the understanding that I needed help, right? Because I was a 22-year-old girl who took on so much responsibility and was in pain from losing my mother. I already didn't have my father's presence, because when my father passed away, I was one year and six months old, right? I already had That pain from my father killing himself was very difficult, and thank God that the Lord rescued me and I understood that I needed help, right? And at that moment I understood, but it was very difficult because it was a grief with so much pain. Pain, pain like that, that kind of pain that I didn't understand, that pain that suffocates you, that makes you feel like you're going to die. I lived through that for many years, about 12 years, until I converted, understood, and sought help. That's how it was, thank God that the Lord rescued me one day. Saying, "Doctor, what help?" was easier, it became lighter, right? And I managed, but it was very difficult. I had a very strong depression, many things, I rebelled against many things, I even rebelled against the Lord, right, for not understanding why my mother was a young woman, why my mother had died, why so much responsibility for me, right? But when I sought help, it was easier.

[01:16:19]So, the advice I give is seek help, you know? Take care of your mind, seek a psychologist who can help you. Helping is a blessing, isn't it? It's a blessing. So, I'm grateful to the Lord because He rescued me from this pain, right? And when He rescued me, He made me understand that I also needed help to understand everything that happened to me, right? And today I can speak, I can give this testimony in my life, right? That I miss my mother very, very much. There isn't, I don't think there's a day that I don't remember my mom, but it doesn't hurt anymore. I miss her a lot, but I don't feel that pain anymore, that pain that I could n't accept, right? And I praise the Lord for that.

[01:17:00]What a marvel, Pastor Elber. You see? It's being able to talk now about what I could n't talk about before, right? And being able to help.

[01:17:10]But look, only from the moment I recognize, and it's natural for us to see if people, and it's a crisis that we have, Pastor Rober, that we rebel against God and feel guilty because we are sinning against God. It's a mix of feelings that isn't easy. Thank you, my Sister, through your testimony, that's exactly it.

[01:17:28]And only those who go through it know the magnitude of the responsibility and how it is to deal with all of that. And now, when you seek help, it's easier to carry the burden. The Bible already talks about that, right? That it's about helping to carry each other's burdens. That's very good.

[01:17:42]There's another comment here, Dr. Agnaldo, the person is saying: "Yesterday I took my exams to the neurologist and the MRI, can you believe it?"

[01:17:56]"MRI scan."

[01:17:58]Oh, an MRI scan.

[01:18:01]That's it. Ah, it showed I have early-stage dementia. That's right. It showed I have early-stage dementia. My world crumbled. I got so nervous I felt sick and went to the emergency room. I already have depression and anxiety, and I didn't sleep well last night, just thinking. I kept sleeping and waking up.

[01:18:21]Only my husband and I know. I don't know if it's a sin, but I asked God that if He is going to give me this disease and Alzheimer's, that He take me. What I did was wrong. I've always been treated for depression and anxiety. Could this be the problem that 's leading me to dementia?

[01:18:41]All of us. And so, answering whether it is or is n't is very difficult, Pastor Roberto. I'm not going to say, because sometimes we want a ready-made diagnosis. So I challenge you, and that's an incentive, right? I'm not going to talk about challenging you, it's about this new moment, about being able to live better while you're here so you can talk about God's care in your life.

[01:19:06]You see? Sometimes we rebel, and that rebellion is natural. Wow, I had so much." To do now. What are your dreams? And what are the dreams you can rearrange, readjust to your condition? That's the best way, you understand? So, regardless of that, regardless of the circumstance of your pain, others won't be able to understand. And it's good that you can talk, verbalize, work through that so you can think precisely about that. What can I do today with the limitations I have that will glorify my God, that I can encourage other people, and that I will have peace, feel better, feel joy in living, because remember one thing? Life isn't over yet.

[01:19:53]That's the difference. We still have life, and now is the time to exercise all of that. It's easy, I'm not saying it's easy. It will be a process of each day, one day at a time. Take advantage of that. And then, Pastor?

[01:20:09]Very good. And one more comment here, Dr. Agnaldo, the person is saying: "Grace and peace, my dear ones." Van, my daughter went through that. She stayed in the same classroom with the same friends for the entire four years, and when she changed classes she became very distressed. I didn't want to go to school. She and I are autistic, and we hadn't yet received a diagnosis at that time.

[01:20:37]Yes. And it's legal. See? The van there also seems to help us a lot. And thank you very much for everyone's participation. Let's go to the chat because it's still there, right? You can stop by there. I'll wait a little bit because I was waiting here for Dr. Mayara, who will be with us next week. I think she posted something there, but let's go. Who just walked by? Okay, everyone, just a quick stop by so we can save some time. Ah, Rosângela sent her good morning messages. Cristiana Paulo also sent good morning messages. Dr. Enaldo also stopped by the chat to say good morning. Bernadete is sending good morning messages to everyone here.

[01:21:12]Lucir Carneiro also said: "Grace and peace." Denisval sending good morning messages.

[01:21:16]Actually, it's our dear Alexandra, right?

[01:21:18]That's always there, tapping on my friend Denis Val's cell phone. Mari Lúcia is also sending good morning messages to everyone. Leuda Brasil is also stopping by to say good morning. Deco Viana, good morning to you too. Reginaldo too, earlier sending questions and saying good morning. Leuda Brasil. Dr. Eu, another blessed Thursday because I love this program. I am always very blessed by him.

[01:21:39]I'm here making my lunch and tuned in to the best radio station in the world. One kiss, I love you all. J Sara sending good morning, the most beloved social network in the world. Congratulations to everyone who makes up this missionary network.

[01:21:49]Sometimes I don't send messages, but I don't text or say "oh" or "I'm not on YouTube," but I'm always online.

[01:21:57]Thank you, Jusara, God bless you. And she said, "Oh, don't forget to give it a thumbs up." She's encouraging the people there.

[01:22:02]Samuel da Cunha is also here sending a thumbs-up to everyone. Leave it in the right place to leave a like, okay? Hey Samuel, Reginaldo already answered your question, Ferreira also passing by, saying: "Good morning, my dears, grace and peace, greetings straight from Aquirais." Oh, she's in Japan today. She's there in Aquirais. Then she said, "I relax by walking and running in the street, you know? Let's pray." She says: "But next week, God willing, we will be together to discuss the following theme: love without self- annihilation, healing, and boundaries for those who live with narcissists."

[01:22:43]Wow, that's awesome! Remember when one of our participants asked to talk about narcissism? So, that's going to be the topic.

[01:22:53]And I was charging Maara. Maara brought up that topic. Loving oneself through self-effacement helps heal boundaries for those who live with narcissists. Let's go. Are you in that situation over there? Get ready for next week. You may continue, pastor.

[01:23:07]Yes. Oh, where is it? I stopped here. So, Marl too, right? Send little hand gestures saying " amen" and pray for us. Interceding.

[01:23:18]Lucir also says grace and peace.

[01:23:22]Marl Caires saying good morning, grace and peace. Deco Viana said he already went to the poll and already answered. Van, send us the results of the poll, okay, dear? Elizabeth also saying good morning. I love this program, it helps us a lot. Tania saying good morning. My obsession is chocolate. It gives a feeling of satisfaction, but now, unfortunately, I can no longer enjoy that pleasure. Dr. Reginaldo, take a look at this. That's it. Let's just leave it there. Just leave the chocolate in your thoughts.

[01:23:53]Thanks. [snoring] [laughter] Rebeca Alexandrina saying: "Grace and peace, Pastor Wber." Peace and blessings be upon you, Dr. Egnaldo. And Rogério saying: "Blessed day." Rebeca is saying, this program addresses very relevant issues. Mental health: I need to be mindful of my thoughts daily and seek professional help. That's right, Rebecca. She said, "Oh, I'm enrolled in a memory workshop."

[01:24:16]Oh, that's great!

[01:24:16]Legal.

[01:24:18]Nice. Legal. Legal. I hadn't heard of a memory workshop. Hey Rebecca, look how cool that is! I think I'll need to enroll in one of those programs too. Cristiane Meira is here too, saying: "I'm listening and I've already left my like."

[01:24:30]Thank you, Cris. God bless your life, dear. It's great to have you here with us. Dr. Agnaldo, I think that's it, you see? Yeah, I think that's it. Well, among our dear friends who have passed through here, I think that's it. At the very end, Irini sent a hug, wished everyone a good day, and then asked, "Hey, did the poll arrive?"

[01:24:54]It's arrived here, look. Ready. 77% of me are resistant to seeking help. Look at that, kid. And 23% are saying that it's okay, it's fine, there 's no problem, right, in seeking help. Look here, Dr. Agnaldo.

[01:25:14]So, regarding this resistance to seeking help, I need to answer that for myself, right? If I put it this way, what makes me resistant to seeking help? Because often talking about ourselves to someone we don't know is difficult, but it's liberating when you're in a place where there's no criticism or judgment. So it's important for us to deal with it because this life already puts us on the run all the time. You have a lot to do. Like, for example, I'm stopping here, right? I'm running late and I need to get out of here. I'll have to go to work soon, right? So, that's how the struggle goes. Pastor Elber will still be running around for a while longer, as he has other duties here as well. It goes without saying, right? So each of us, and you certainly do too, has our daily routine, a busy life. So, with the pressures of life, when do you stop to take care of yourself, to be able to enjoy this moment, and take care of your mental health? Think about it. The question is there and it's being evaluated. And next week, answering our listener now, I don't remember who it is, I have to look up the name, but I know she asked us to talk about narcissism. There's the topic, invite other people over there, right? Perhaps there's a narcissist inside you, or you 're close to one. God bless you greatly, Pastor Elber.

[01:26:36]Thank you very much. The subject matter is relevant and there are many aspects to it. We can come back another time. And I still want to talk, Pastor Elb, you know what? Look, sir, this poll was very good about discussing resistance, but now in this poll I would ask something else, right? Well, of those 70, 77% were men or women, right? Because men often have difficulty dealing with their mental health, right? That's a question. So, I want to talk for a moment here to the men as well about this issue of mental health, the importance not only of mental health, but also of physical health, and being able to work on that, okay? Warm regards, God bless you, Pastor Elb. Thank you very much. A big hug to all of you who are here with us.

[01:27:20]Thank you, dear pastor. God blesses.

[01:27:22]So, next Thursday, right? To love, to love without losing oneself. Healing and boundaries for those who live with narcissism, with special participation from our dear psychologist Mayara Ferreira and Dr. Agnaldo and another member of the network. Dear, have a good lunch, a good weekend, and a good day at work. Lord, may you bless and protect your life there in the name of Jesus.

[01:27:43]Thanks a lot, guys. 11:32 in Brasília, at Divan. As I said, on Thursday, tomorrow at 10 AM, God willing, we'll be here with our "Desvando verses difícil da Bíblia" (Unraveling difficult Bible verses) with Dr. Pedro Moura on channel 316. So, I'll be waiting for you here. If you 're here on our YouTube channel, go back there.

[01:28:05]For channel 316. I'm going on a quick break and we'll continue until 1 PM. Our online playlist is about to start over there. Then go back to the network. Quick break. I'll be back with you.

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