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[00:01:19]>> [music] >> Hello there. It's 6 o'clock. I'm Michelle Jubrey and this is Jubes and Cur. Coming up tonight, celebrate good times. Come on. D.

[00:01:37]Oh yeah, we're happy. Why? VAT off electricity bills. Are you celebrating tonight? I was going to buy myself a case of procco and then I realized the saving doesn't actually stretch to that and it certainly doesn't stretch to that when you uh calculate things like the price cap increases. It leads me to then think we've got Andy Bham who's telling us that this is going to be a government for the cost of living. What better thing to do tonight then to reintroduce Britain's favorite economist Liam Haligan to the program. Let's have a proper debate, shall we, about what on earth we need to be doing to truly help us with the cost of living. Also tonight, why is this Labor government going to court to stop the public being able to access crime stats broken down by nationality?

[00:02:31]All of that and lots more keeping me company tonight. Pollster academic GB News presenter Matt Goodwin and alongside him the former adviser to Yet Cooper uh and police and crime commissioner Danny Shaw and also Britain's favorite economist. You know I'm talking about none other than Liam Halagan. But before we get stuck in, let's cross and give you your 6:00 news headlines.

[00:03:01]Good evening. It's just gone 6:00. Your top stories this hour. Prime Minister Andy Bernham told the first meeting of his cabinet, "We need to be a cost of living government and give people a sense that help is coming." Members of his top team were seen arriving at number 10, including Chancellor John Healey, Home Secretary Shabban Mammud, and Housing Secretary Angela Raina. On his first full day in government, Andy Bernham announced a fresh tax cut to remove VAT from domestic electricity bills, saving the average household £45 a year. Mr. Bernham said the plan would be paid for by scrapping Kstarma's digital ID scheme, but former chief secretary to the prime minister, Darren Jones, said the digital ID project was unfunded and therefore questioned how the VAT cup would be paid for, but Downing Street insists the cuts are fully funded. Elsewhere, Downing Street says civil servants are already working at Andy Bernham's new Manchesterbased number 10 North, which will cost taxpayers no extra money. And Andy Bernham has already spoken with the US president. The prime minister's spokesman told reporters it was an extremely warm call and lasted around 20 minutes.

[00:04:12]28-year-old Joshua Kerry has appeared in court charged with the murder of Anne Whitikham. The 78-year-old former MP and MEP died after she was hit on the head with a hammer 21 times at her home in Devon on the 8th of July.

[00:04:28]Kerry has been remanded in custody to appear at the Old Bailey later today.

[00:04:33]The investigation, which remains ongoing, has been led by counterterrorism policing southeast supported by Devon and Cornwall police.

[00:04:42]A Russian warship firing its weapons off the British coast yesterday was performative and irresponsible.

[00:04:48]According to the new defense secretary was streeting, the vessel which was shadowed by a Royal Navy ship carried out the artillery maneuver south of Plymouth yesterday. Speaking during his first engagement in the job, Mr. Streeting also warned Russia should be in no doubt about the resolve of this government and this prime minister.

[00:05:09]A woman has been seriously injured in a suspected stabbing before mass at a Catholic church in Ireland. The incident occurred at the Holy Cross Church in Summer Hill, Traml at approximately 9:45 a.m. as they were reportedly praying and reciting the rosary. The female victim, who's in her 50s, was rushed to hospital with serious but non-life-threatening injuries. Meanwhile, a man in his 30s was arrested at a nearby residence.

[00:05:38]Temp's Water has announced a hose pipe ban for just over 10 million customers as the exceptionally dry hot weather drives a surge in demand. It means people must not use host pipes for any non-essential activities such as watering gardens, cleaning cars, filling paddling pools, or topping up hot tubs.

[00:05:56]The temp's water region received only 40% of average rainfall this spring followed by periods of exceptionally hot weather according to the firm.

[00:06:05]Those are the headlines for now. More news in an hour.

[00:06:15]Thank you very much for that. Hello.

[00:06:16]Good evening to each and every single one of you. My name is Michelle Jubrey.

[00:06:20]This is Jubson keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. [snorts] Alongside me, I've got my panel pollster academic news presenter Matt Goodwin and former adviser to Cooper and police and crime commentator Danny Shaw. Hello.

[00:06:34]You're very welcome tonight. And as a special treat for you, I do like to spoil you every now and again, ladies and gents. Uh Britain's best economist.

[00:06:42]I know much loved by many of you at home. None other than Liam Haligan joins us tonight. What a treat for the nation.

[00:06:48]Liam, >> I can't tell you, Jubes, how much I enjoyed your singing.

[00:06:51]>> Um, and I can't tell you how many text messages I will have from my family members and friends telling me never ever to sing uh in public. Every time I sing, uh, they tell me not to. I wanted to play that song tonight in fairness to me. Uh but even when you play a tiny little snippet of a song, ladies and gents, it cost you a lot of money when it comes to um music licensing and all the rest of it. So I just said, you know what, no matter I'll just sing it myself. I'll probably do a great job.

[00:07:18]Yeah, I'll murder the song, but if I could sing, I'd be making my uh money as a singer, wouldn't I? And clearly I'm not. Anyway, look, um even though he thinks I'm a terrible singer, he's very welcome tonight, as are each and every single one of you. and you know what you're doing by now, you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. You can email me at [email protected].

[00:07:37]Uh you can go to the website gbnews.com/yous.

[00:07:41]Of course, you can get me on social media. Well, what's Liam doing here then? I'll tell you. Andy Bham, our new prime minister, he's had a lot to say uh in the past 24 hours. Let's take a listen to some of it. And in doing more, build a new economy where we put life's essentials back under stronger public control.

[00:08:04]>> And there's more.

[00:08:06]>> We need to be a cost of living government and getting that cost of living uh down and looking at all possible ways of of doing that. I talked yesterday outside uh in Downing Street about uh bringing back hope and that's got to be us, isn't it?

[00:08:26]>> Well, there you go then. Um I'm asking you tonight, do you feel hopeful because um straight out the trap he's announced one of his first uh policy ideas. It is a Brexit benefits, some people would call it, the removal of VAT um of electricity bills. It sits at about 5% there or thereabouts. Not though, of course, if you're in Northern Ireland, will that happen for you? Um, so I wanted to introduce you tonight, uh, of course, we're going to have all the usual debate as well, but I'm asking you at home, a cost of living government, and I'm asking you at home, what do you want them to do? What do you want this new administration to do to help you at home with the pound in your pockets? But Liam Haligan, you are the expert in such matters. What should this government be doing? And should we start perhaps because you're very good at explaining people um things in a term that people can understand. Just paint a rough picture of the economy as it currently sits today.

[00:09:20]>> Well, I should start by saying um I think you're actually a pretty good singer, Jubes. Oh, thank you.

[00:09:24]>> Um more generally, um I know Andy Bernham well. We we go back a long way.

[00:09:29]We're old friends. I'm a patriot. I want him to succeed. I want the British government >> to do well even if his politics are pretty different to mine. But the main thing Andy has to do aside from um you know gimmicks and and bungs to the electorate and so on. The main thing Andy Bernham has to do is try and prevent a fiscal meltdown. I'm afraid I know I go on about this all the time. Uh but I don't apologize for it. Um because if we get to a situation where we're paying more and more to borrow, and the government's paying far more to borrow than any other advanced economy government in the world, we're paying more on debt interest than we're spending on education, twice what we're spending on defense. 80% of what the government borrows each month it's spending on debt interest payments. If we carry on down this line, if we carry on cranking up borrowing and taxation and spending, we're going to drive the economy off a cliff edge. And in that kind of meltdown, it will be lower income households with huge respect which suffer the most. So that's the main thing. What he's done today is a is a very small but I guess politically um significant thing. It's a tiny amount of money. It's for six months from October till the end of the financial year next April. Um it it won't make very much difference at all, but it is something that when I was on GB News, I launched a campaign, scrap the VAT, right? It was an obvious thing to do. And by the way, you can only do this cuz we're outside the European Union, which is an interesting point. This is a Brexit benefit. You won't hear many at the top of the Labour party saying that, but that's actually the truth. But fair play to him. He's come in and he's tried to build on his rhetoric of giving people a little bit more breathing space. His his diagnosis of the situation, I think, is exactly right. But I think his solutions, if they involved ever more borrowing and spending, I think they will ultimately, and I say this with regret, prove very counterproductive.

[00:11:31]>> So, we've got ourselves a new chancellor as well, John Healey. Um much of the direction of travel with this administration is as yet unknown because there wasn't a huge amount of scrutiny for Andy Benham and I'm putting that politely. What I mean is there was absolutely zero.

[00:11:44]>> He was interviewed by Gary Linker that journalistic >> colossus. He was Yeah, I I saw that myself and I thought interesting.

[00:11:51][laughter] >> Um but where should they be heading?

[00:11:54]There's rumors that for example Andy Benner may reintroduce for example the 50 p uh tax rate. Uh there's all kinds of rumors yet to uh be seen. But which direction should we be going in?

[00:12:04]>> Well, as I as I've said, it's no surprise to anybody that follows my work. We shouldn't be cranking up taxation and borrowing and spending even more. Even the OBR along with the International Monetary Fund, even our own budgetary watchdog says if we keep raising taxes, they're already at a 70-year high. That will slow the economy so much that we'll end up with less actual tax revenue even though tax rates are higher. Uh and that is the situation across many of our taxes at the moment.

[00:12:33]John Healey is a pretty competent guy.

[00:12:35]He's got Treasury experience. He was a Treasury Minister under Gordon Brown.

[00:12:40]But I think the main thing about >> thing is that a good thing.

[00:12:42]>> Um at least he's he's got some kind of, you know, he's not coming to this completely green. He's got experience as a senior minister. But what I would say is I think the main reason Andy's appointed him is so he can avoid making a decision between um the main picks for the chancellorship who which were Shabban Mammuda of course who stays as um home secretary and um Ed Miband who goes over to foreign secretary. Um, in the end, I think that, um, Andy will be pulled ever more leftward by the trade unionists, by the backbench MPs, by the party activists who have ousted K star and put Andy in Downing Street. And I'd say to him again as as the prime minister of my country and as an old friend of mine, you really can't do that. If you do do that, financial markets will absolutely wallop you. And already borrowing costs are much way above where they were at the peak of the Liz Trust mini budget crisis. Already we're an outlier internationally. Um and you know if there are internationals thrills and spills price of oil is going up. The straight of horm ceasefire isn't holding. Only 10% of the shipping that got through the straight of horm pre this Iran war is getting through now. We are very susceptible to these high oil prices. is we're very susceptible to inflation in this country. We're a major energy importer now partly because of our net zero policies. So you I don't like to talk my country down and I'm not talking my country down. I'm actually standing up for reality, a reality that everybody in financial markets can see but very few people in the political and media class are prepared and willing to face.

[00:14:25]>> Uh Neil has got in touch and said Michelle um he's done some brief calculations. he said uh and it's he's calculated that on his personal bills at home he's going to save about4 uh a month. I hate to break it to you though Neil because obviously uh you've got the energy price uh price cap and that will kick in at an inflated rate there or thereabouts at the same time that this saving will come in and then also you'll have another rise. I think it's kind of the beginning of January will be the next one. Anyway, Danny, uh, you former adviser to Cooper, uh, obviously for a former foreign secretary, now health, I mean, the way that these people jump around from all these different briefs is absolutely mindboggling. But I'll come back to that pack that just for a second. Uh, but economically, um, what do you think to what you're hearing so far and what would you like to see from this new administration? Look, I think it's a good move from Andy Bernham because it's a simple move that people can understand and it's a gesture and it shows intent. You're absolutely right.

[00:15:23]It's not very much money. Um, but you know, 45 quid a year is is better than nothing. But it's more symbolic. Um, and I think that's an example of where the KSAMA government failed in that in its early days, it didn't really do some of what are called quick wins. Now Liam's presented a really uh compelling kind of version of what needs to be done in terms of the economy and uh you know he's he's the expert on that and it shows you just how you know how far the government's got to go and what it needs to do is to tackle the welfare bill the the welfare bill and I think [snorts] you know whether Andy Bernham uh succeeds in his premiership will be judged on whether he actually gets to grip with that and makes some tough decisions.

[00:16:09]uh you know that the Alan Milbour review has sort of started to sort of um spell out in terms of the changes that need to be made on that.

[00:16:17]>> Just on the screen by the way um we had there the live ticker uh showing the national debt of this country. So [clears throat] that's what those figures are. Um and let's have a look.

[00:16:28]I'll make sure we revisit this by the way um towards the end of the program and take a look. But just some of those figures there just giving you the context of just how much money uh the UK is borrowing. And Liam will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure. Uh but I think we spent about 12 billion servicing the interest on that debt.

[00:16:46]>> Okay, let let me that. So it's almost three trillion, right? It's almost three trillion uh the debt almost 3,000 billion which is a huge amount of money.

[00:16:55]In the last financial year, April to April, we borrowed 137 billion pounds.

[00:17:02]And of that 137 billion pounds that we borrowed, 110 billion pounds went on debt interest. The 12 billion number that's in your mind, that's the latest monthly number. Yeah. Julie.

[00:17:14]>> Yeah. That the the annual number for the last complete financial year we have is 110 billion. How much is 110 billion?

[00:17:22]It's twice the annual defense budget.

[00:17:25]It's more than we spend, the state spends on education. It's the third biggest spending item on the government's entire balance sheet behind only health and as Danny said a very large welfare bill. None of that money is going on nurses, doctors, schools, hospitals, the judiciary, the police, the fire service, all the things that we know the state needs, all the things that we want, council, housing, none of that. All that is going on debt interest payments often to creditors who are overseas.

[00:17:57]It's nuts.

[00:17:58]>> It's not good. Not good. Ladies and gents, Matt Goodwin, are you um optimistic? I mean, the hopeful word is one that kept being used uh by Andy Bham and his team. Do you feel hopeful then when you see the direction of travel?

[00:18:10]>> Well, no. I'm very pessimistic because I don't think firstly there's a mandate for Andy Bham. There's no democratic mandate from the British people for this administration whatsoever. Nobody voted for this guy. Nobody asked for this guy.

[00:18:22]He's been imposed on the country. He's walking up number 10 Downing Street uh or walking up Downing Street this week like he's won a general election. Uh I'm afraid to say there is no mandate. There is no detailed uh costed policies that Andy Burnham has put in front of uh the country. He's come out with the VAT thing. Okay, fine. uh not mentioned immigration once, not mentioned the small boats, not mentioned two-tier justice, not mentioned free speech. You look at the people who he's appointing, hope not hate activists, his director of political strategy, hope not hate activists. These are people who have made a career out of delegitimizing mainstream conservative views. Um, Hope Not Hate, by the way, if you look at what's been discussed online, just removed a very hostile profile of Anne Whitikham, good friend of mine, just murdered. Why did they remove that?

[00:19:18]>> You have to ask Hope, not hate. [snorts] What worries me about this administration is that they are so disconnected from the average voter. And remember, they're coming into power after Kia Stalmer, who viewed much of the party as far. We've had these debates weekly on your show, Michelle.

[00:19:35]Far right. if you want truth and justice for grooming gang uh victims, far right, if you want border control, I don't think Andy Bernham's going to change track from that. I think the people in his administration have the same view.

[00:19:49]Uh and I'm deeply concerned. I'm deeply concerned about the direction of travel.

[00:19:53]Andy Bernard was the first person lastingly Michelle to say general election now when Rishi was appointed.

[00:19:59]So I'm saying general election now.

[00:20:02]>> Well, that's what they're saying. What are you saying at home? Please do join the conversation. Uh we will be continuing this after the break, but I'm asking you specifically, what's hurting you at the moment financially. What do you want from this government to help make things any better? Also, why is this government taking legal action to block crime data being published um showing the breakdown of crimes versus nationality? What's that all about? I'll see you in a second.

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[00:23:45]Hello everybody. Michelle Jubrey, Matt Goodwin, Danny Shaw, and Liam Halagan with you. Uh we are talking all things economy. Now, someone piped up this morning. Uh it caught my eye on social media. I've got to say I do actually take uh much of what this person says with a pinch of salt. um for obvious reasons because I am talking about Darren Jones and he is the man uh that seemed to try and convince everybody uh that actually what was going on these not so small birds is it was mainly women and children uh that were crossing in the channel. So therefore I mean I do actually take things with a pinch of salt but what he was basically saying and I thought it was really interesting because actually uh the knives seem to have been uh pulled already. We're only about 24 hours into this uh situation less than because what he was basically saying is that the VAT cut the 5% uh that Andy Bham has today announced Darren Jones says um it's completely unfunded. The Bham administration say that they're taking the money from digital ID but Darren Jones who oversaw a lot of this stuff says that that um digital ID plan was not funded. So what's going on then Danny?

[00:24:50]>> Well I'm not an expert on this but I think they had budgeted for 1.8 8 billion over 3 years and has said that that would that money would come from departmental savings or efficiencies. Um now what I think the government is saying is okay forget all that we're going to fund the VAT cut so use those efficiencies or savings that you've identified to pay for that. Um you know I don't know at the moment whether it stacks up. You know, I do find Darren Jones intervention not really very helpful. The day after Andy Bernham's, you know, um got into Downing Street, he's sort of setting out his stall and basically saying, "Well, you know, I don't agree with you. This all this doesn't add up." I mean, come on. You know, you you know, you've you've had a shot at it. Hasn't worked. Now, give the other guy a chance. That's what I would say to Darren Jones. you know, give your support from the backbenches at least for a little bit.

[00:25:48]>> Well, we shall see if that happens, whether or not they heed his advice.

[00:25:51]Mike has said, "Michelle, you're asking what I want from this government." Uh, what I want from this government is a general election and a bit of beer money to celebrate its demise, says Mike. One of the other things Andy Benham is very um strident talking about, and as a northerner, of course, this appeals to me, uh, he wants to decentralize power away from London. He really wants to get out and get tentacles out into the regions. Uh he's talking about a few different things. Re-industrialization.

[00:26:18]Um trying to fix some of those broken communities that were just they they had their industry ripped from them and they were just forgotten about. Absolutely forgotten about. Whole where I'm from.

[00:26:27]Fishing uh being a prime example. He wants to fix all of that economically.

[00:26:31]Is the that the right idea?

[00:26:33]Reationalizing core industries, utilities, that kind of thing.

[00:26:38]>> I'll come to that. Just on the Darren Jones thing. I do think it's really childish of Darren Jones and this is not a good look for the government or for our country within 24 hours of Andy Bernie coming in. The prime minister himself has said he's going to be you know the fiscal rules are going to be applied flexibly and then you've got noises off from within the Labour party that the very small spending commitment the prime minister's made is actually completely unfunded. This does not look good when again it comes to our international creditors. the broader picture. You what do we know about what Andy's wants to do? Well, read read head north with Steve Rotherham which I have his the Steve Mother of course the former Labour MP now Liverpool mayor. A lot of it's about devolution. Devolution can work well but not if it just adds an extra layer of government uh and is all about just sucking money from one part of the country to the other. Um, if you really want to get the regions going, and I've been writing about this most of my adult life, you know, why are we doing HS2? Why aren't we linking together the great northern cities into a power base, an industrial commercial power base that could rival London? It could be literally world class. There's some great universities. There's bags of talent. There's bags of cultural and economic capability. And yet it's very very difficult to travel between these places because [clears throat] you've got diesel trains and no infrastructure.

[00:28:03]We should be doing that. And let's get these tax-free areas, enterprise zones going to attract some investment. And let's get training going, vocational training. That works a lot better, Michelle, than ideologically driven reationalizations just to keep your trade union pay masters happy, which don't look good internationally at all.

[00:28:24]and a likely history shows us again and again and again to lead to massive inefficiencies and years and years of subsidies propping up lame ducks as we used to say when I was a kid. I'm not saying privatization has been perfect by any means. Once you privatize something you need to regulate it so it's not abused by the private sector providers.

[00:28:46]Often the abuse has happened. Um and I totally acknowledge that and I've made many documentaries about that. You know the private finance initiative. What a complete disaster. But just to kneejerk reationalize things in some kind of Arthur Skargill Red Robbo tribute act to keep your mates on the Labour back benches happy is not the answer. And I'm afraid too much of what we're seeing seems to be ideologically driven and crowdpleasing. But the crowd isn't the great British public or the electorate.

[00:29:17]the the crowd is the very sectarian Labor Party and those Labor activists who as we're seeing from Darren Jones can't even agree among themselves.

[00:29:26]>> Uh June she's got in touch and said Michelle for me it's all about the cost of groceries. She's saying it's that she feels that every time she goes to the shop it's that that is increasing over and over again. Dave has said what I want to see Michelle is the tax bans the thresholds basically unfrozen. He says that they have been present for way too long. But look, you know, we tinker around the edges all you want, Matt.

[00:29:49]Goodwin, we've put the uh figures of the uh national debt on the screen. It is growing by the second and unless this government properly gets a grip of things like welfare, >> that number will just keep skyrocketing and yet again, we're either going to have more borrowing or more taxation to fund it. Do you think this government's got it in them uh to really tackle that welfare situation? Well, when Andy Bernham stood outside of number 10 Downing Street, he said he's going to change the political and economic model in this country. The problem Andy Bernham has is he doesn't have a mandate to do that. Now, uh if you really wanted to do that, in my view, you would be ditching net zero. You'd be ditching mass migration. You would be lowering tax. You'd be reducing the regulatory uh tax burden on businesses. uh you would be investing in finding ways to boost productivity. You'd be getting rid of the Blair Wright addiction to higher education, to university education.

[00:30:51]You'd be thinking in a lot more innovative ways about how you'd reboot this economy. Uh Andy Burnham is locked in to the Kia Starama Rachel Reeves uh manifesto. So he's not going to be able to deviate in a substantive way uh from that. I' I'd also say that, you know, I had this moment watching him outside number 10 Downing Street where he said, "Well, my goal is going to be to end rough sleeping." And it took me back to when Richishi Sunnak said, "I'm going to reform A levels." It was this kind of complete disconnect from what ordinary people out there are thinking and feeling. again, not mentioning migration, not mentioning the borders, not mentioning soft on crime policies, not mentioning uh the small boats, uh a complete disinterest in in the things that ordinary people uh are caring about. Um, I don't fundamentally think [snorts] that the DNA of this particular Labor Party, this generation of Labor politicians, I don't think they have it in them to understand what it what it takes to produce and support a dynamic economy. And I think you can see that in the appointments that they're making.

[00:32:04]Nobody on the Labor front bench has any serious frontline business experience.

[00:32:10]Nobody on a Labor front bench has any serious experience at running a national economy and I think over time that will that will shine through.

[00:32:21]>> Um and you said just then Danny when we was talking about immigration stuff and Matt says he hasn't mentioned it in your responses he will he will. I wonder whether or not uh Andy Bham and other people in that uh cabinet grasp just what an issue this is to people. Peter, for example, he's got in touch and said, "Michelle, this whole conversation about cost of living, it doesn't affect illegal migrants. We all say at home as taxpayers, we have to tighten our belts." And he says, and I quote, "It feels like these men are living it up at our expense." But Bham is not tackling that. What's he waiting for to comment on it then?

[00:32:56]>> He's been in post 24 hours.

[00:32:57]>> Yeah. And he's mentioned a load of other >> He's been in post 24 hours. He will he will be seized of the importance of tackling the small boats, getting people out of asylum hotels and combating immigration.

[00:33:09]>> Why did he not mention it in his primary speech?

[00:33:12]>> He has decided that the two things that he wants to deal with first of all the cost of living crisis. I think rough sleeping is more important than you give credit for. Um because it's a symbol I'll try and get the graph up while we're talking by the way just to give context to the viewers because uh off the back of rough sleeping which I completely agree with is a a priority. I will just get a graph um on the screen that's been circulating and doing the rounds. Uh there you go. That is actually Andy Bham's track record when it comes to uh resolving rough sleeping in Manchester. Just from a a quick glance I would say it doesn't look uh very successful in my humble opinion. I mean, it's it's lower it's lower now than it was when he started. But but and and but it's not good enough. But it is an important issue because not only for the 5,000 or so rough sleepers that that there are every night in England, it matters hugely to them, but it's also a symbol of urban decay, of the fact that we're an unequal society, the fact that we've got these terrible pockets of poverty and deprivation and substance abuse and so on. And so it is a lordable aim to say we're going to tackle this and we're going to try and end it and it's not something that can't be achieved.

[00:34:20]>> Can I can I just one one thing? There is a tendency on the left of politics to say there's a cost of living crisis and then there's immigration. The two are intimately entwined. The Boris wave, the Boris wave, if you look at all of the analysis, is going to cost hundreds of billions of pounds because nobody voted to have millions of low-wage, low-skilled migrants in the country who are taking more out of the system than they're putting in. The obvious answer to that, people voted for Boris Johnson.

[00:34:48]The obvious answer to that, Boris Johnson betrayed the country. The obvious answer to that is to reverse the Boris wave and say we're going to put the taxpaying citizens of this country first. By not doing that, which Labour have made clear they're not going to do under Shabbana Mammud and Andy Bernham, they are giving the British people a bill of 600 billion pounds and then they're saying, well, we're dealing with the cost of living crisis. The answer to the cost of living crisis is to say, we're going to reverse a Boris wave.

[00:35:19]We're going to spend the 600 billion pounds instead on your schools, your hospitals. We're going to build more prisons. We're going to invest it in the British people. And I think Labor Labor, no, no, Labor are gaslighting. You are gaslighting the British people by saying, "Well, we're not really going to deal with this. We're going to pretend that we're dealing with this by talking about rough sleeping." And that is why millions of people out there are getting so frustrated because they're not idiots. They can see what is happening in this country.

[00:35:48]>> A lot of you have got in touch on that point of whether or not there should be a general election. I can tell you um lots of you are saying yes they should.

[00:35:56]A guy called Nigel. I do have to guess that it's not of the Farage variety.

[00:36:00]He's got in touch and said absolutely not. So we don't need another general election. Michelle this is what we've got. Make the best of it. That's what I'm asking you tonight. What does the best of it look like? Also tonight I do need to ask you why are the Labour Party going to court to try and stop the public having access to crime data broken down by nationality? What's that all about? I'll see you in a second.

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[00:40:23]Hello everybody. Welcome back to Jubes and KM Michelle Jubrey, Matt Goodwin, Danny Shaw, and Bonus Edition Liam Hagan um in the studio with me tonight. We've been talking all things cost of living.

[00:40:35]Uh so many of you are getting in touch as well saying please no more tax rises.

[00:40:40]There's not a huge amount of optimism um coming in on the inbox etc. that you guys actually think that the Labour party will indeed get to grips uh with welfare spending. Lots of you though also you get in touch with me regular about this. you're on um benefits and you genuinely feel that you need those benefits and then you get scared about whether or not you'll be losing access to the sport that you genuinely need.

[00:41:03]Last night when I was on air Danny Shaw, we were focusing on all of the new um cabinet appointments and we know them now. Uh it was all happening live last night. You used to advise uh you cooper former foreign secretary now the health secretary where streeting formerly health he's moved to a portfolio of defense. He's now the defense secretary and so on and so forth. What qualifies these people to hold those roles? It always intrigues me. How can you go from, for example, being a foreign secretary to literally in the blink of an eye, you're now responsible for health. Oh, you used to be responsible for health, you're now responsible for defense.

[00:41:42]>> Well, uh, in many cases, they're not qualified in those particular areas. I mean, when I was advising Iette Cooper, she was shadow home secretary. She'd been the chair of the home affairs committee. She'd been shadow home secretary before that. Hugely experienced in that area, gets appointed home secretary. 14 months later, because of Angela Raina and the scandal and her being sacked basically there was a reshuffle and Iette was indispensable and seen as an important figure had to be given a top job. She's moved to the foreign office which she hardly had any experience before and now 10 months later she's moved to health where she last served in the department I think as a minister under Brown or Blair years and years ago. I mean that's an example of a dysfunctional political system to be fair to be honest and it's all about politics. It's all about having to give a job a big job to Ed Milliband because he didn't get the chancellor's job and he's a close ally of Andy Bernham. So therefore, Iet Cooper has to be moved somewhere and [snorts] uh the health secretary job the health secretary's only been in the job for 2 months because um um with streeting resigned. So it it's it's completely dysfunctional. I mean this is why I suppose the civil service will say well this is why you need a continuing civil service in order to keep the things ticking along. But in terms of political direction, it's a nonsense.

[00:43:00]>> I think the country deserves better sometimes. Mike Goodwin, your thoughts?

[00:43:04]Well, [snorts] I think you can see how dysfunctional it is. We've had President Trump today saying that uh or overnight that Ed Miliban's appointment is a is an appointment of great concern for the United States, that they're very anxious about the uh the position of the foreign secretary on energy. They're very anxious about uh his views uh around Palestine, around Israel. Uh, and I think again, you know, this is an administration that looks like it's going out of its way to alienate one of our closest allies. I I I you know, I go back to my gut instinct when Andy Bernham took over. I I do genuinely believe that this is going to prove to be too much for Andy Bernham. I think he is going to be overwhelmed by the job, by the challenges, by the scale of the problems facing the UK. Running a city is not the same thing as running a country.

[00:43:59]>> Liam Hagan, >> I think Danny summarized it pretty well.

[00:44:03]And you know, just to return the favor, if I may, you know, you get the same kind of job shifting under the tries.

[00:44:10]This is this is not a uniquely labor thing. Um, and this would be why the civil service says, well, this is why you need us. But I do think the civil service itself can become too overbearing. We've got a third more civil servants now than we had in 2016.

[00:44:25]uh and and all of us on this panel uh and I know a lot of people in in the Labour party uh who've held high office have told me this as well as Tories quite often you get permanent civil servants who are obstructionist there are far too many people in the civil service who are more like activists rather than impartial implementers of ministerial will of course the political class doesn't do itself any favor when it keeps moving people around to serve these kind of tribal rivalries within parties as as Danny has described and I know Matt's written about this lots in the various political science books that he's written over the years, but I think the the civil service needs to be reigned in. It needs to be a lot smaller than it is. Um it it needs to be a lot better value for the public than it is and it needs needs to be a lot less opinionated than it is. The Home Office, for instance, is full of like massively pro-immigration at all cost uh pro-ass asylum seekers getting leave to remain at all cost activists and many many ministers from both parties have said that over the years.

[00:45:31]>> Um wouldn't it be nice to have pure subject matter experts be the minister um of portfolios that they actually understand? Uh David says, "Michelle, why are these members of cabinet acting as if they've just won uh the election or the lottery or something? They seem to forget they've been in office uh for over two years and many would argue made a complete hash of it." What do you think to all of this? Coming up, speaking about the Labour Party, why are they going to court to try and block access of crime data which would be broken up by nationality? What's this all about? I'll see you in a sec.

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[00:46:17]>> What do you think about where we're going to get our future athletes and our Olympians from when we're telling our children, "Oh, you can't go out and and partake in sports today cuz it's it's a bit hot."

[00:46:29]>> It really worries me. We have a a generation that spend their life being very inactive, an awful lot of time on mobile telephones, coming up with every excuse as to not to, you know, not to move and not to be to be moving. Sport in schools is where we can catch every kid. And the kids that will lose out are the kids that come from areas of deprivation because the parents that can afford to make sure their children do sport will still do that, but the parents that can't afford sadly will miss out. So it's really important that our kids, you know, do enough physical activity, lay down these habits, understand about how their body works and nutrition and food and looking after themselves and health. You know, we have a health crisis. It's really important to start early.

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[00:48:19]>> So you go along to the car showroom and only like 10% at most, maybe 15 pay cash. The rest buy on some form of financing and you often buy, it's a bit like a mortgage and you buy, it's like buying a mortgage from the estate agent, which we all know is a terribly bad idea. [snorts] >> But this is what people did. And the deal is, the scandal is the guys in the showroom were acting as dealers and brokers and they were in many cases inflating the interest rate that you paid so that they could get bigger commission and they didn't declare that.

[00:48:53]So you basically ended up paying more for your car than you would otherwise have done if you gone into the open market and found yourself, you know, a better deal.

[00:49:01]>> How did that come to light?

[00:49:03]>> Well, over many years. I mean, this has been going on since 2007.

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[00:49:16]>> Sheila says, "Mel, I despair about the caliber of many politicians. I look at some of them and I wonder um how can they possibly know about things like and she's talking in this case about the military." She's asking, "If you've never been in the military, you've never lived that life, etc. How can you be involved in things like defense?" Fair, fair point, I would say. Back to that, Sheila. Anyway, look, something that's really uh got us all talking. It got buried yesterday, of course, uh because of the news of all the cabinet and Andy Bennham, but the government has been accused of trying to cover up uh what is actually going on when it comes to crimes that have been uh committed by migrants. They're actually fighting a court battle, Matt Goodwin, uh to prevent this level of data being released. Tell us more.

[00:50:01]>> Well, I I think this is deeply hypocritical. The very same people who accuse uh citizens of uh misinformation uh or disinformation are themselves hiding information that might challenge the establishment narrative. The Ministry of Justice is going to court to try and prevent the release of figures, statistics on nationality and criminality. Now, we already know, Michelle, that certain nationalities based on freedom of information requests are more likely, disproportionately more likely to commit certain crimes, especially sexual crimes, Afghans, Eratrayans, uh, more likely to commit things uh, hideous crimes such as rape and sexual assault. And here we have David Lambie, one of his last acts, a ministry of justice, actually going to court using lawfare to prevent the British people from knowing the truth.

[00:51:01]Now, I would say if you're so confident in your policy of open borders, if you're so confident in your policy of mass immigration, if you're so confident in your policy of ever rising diversity, then give people the information. Give them the figures. let them be the judge for themselves. But here we have a state clamoring uh over itself to prevent people from knowing the truth. And that is absolutely despicable. Um what this is all about is like category um data.

[00:51:33]So it would break things down into um rape, child sex abuse, etc., etc. And I also need to be clear, this current battle, it relates to data just in England and Wales, and it relates to the time period 2018 to 2024. So I would argue uh even if you get this data, it'll only show you a small um part of what's been going on because of course immigration etc has exploded since.

[00:51:57]>> But but just to be clear, Michelle, other countries do this. Denmark, Germany, Sweden, they release crimes by nationality and they give people a granular breakdown so you really know is this really helping our society. Now the Labor government the Labor government has said well we're on the side of transparency. In fact, actually the Labor government lecture everybody about misinformation constantly. But here we are with a government hiding, concealing information from ordinary people. And the question is why?

[00:52:34]I'm not a member of the government of the Labor government. The government should release as much information as it can on crime. They already release all information about the nationality of prisoners. You can look it up. You can see how many Albanians are in prison, how many Romanians, how many Afghans are in prison. There is some data already out there. I don't know why they're blocking this. My sense is from reading the copy about it is that it's probably been a decision taken at a lower level because freedom of information requests are routinely blocked on cost grounds.

[00:53:07]They're routinely blocked on so-called privacy grounds. and it's got up to a point where civil servants have just decided to fight it uh without thinking through the sort of consequences of it on a bigger level. And if the new justice secretary comes in, it's Alex Norris, someone I know very well, a very competent individual, if he comes in and has a look at that, if he's got any sense, he will try and release this data if it's reliable data. That's the other issue. What you cannot do is release data that's not reliable or not official data. But I believe, Matt, this might surprise you, release the data. I want it out there. I believe that all offenders, we should know their nationality and their ethnicity, and I'm in favor of that. Danny's much more of a white hall insider than me, but as as a very experienced journalist, I'd be surprised with huge respect. Um, and I do respect your expertise as you know.

[00:54:03]Um, I'd be surprised if given the sensitivity of this data, given that this data already exists, given that we're spending taxpayers money to prevent taxpayers getting access to data that they've already paid for, which is nuts, given that, you know, Michelle Dubrey is now discussing this with all of us on GB News. I'd be amazed if a minister wasn't involved in making the decision to go to court. I say that with respect. This is a very contentious thing and the the the suspicion must be that the data is being suppressed because it shows that certain nationalities that are closely linked with small boats are disproportionately uh responsible for certain particularly ghastly crimes. I'm summising because I can't see the data. You may well be right. The thing is we already we already know that to be true. We know Afghans and Aatrans are about 20% because there's unofficial survey on that because the numbers are very small.

[00:55:01]>> We know 40% of sexual crimes in London are committed by foreign nationals and we know Baroness Casey has said a disproportionate number of grooming gang cases involve foreign nationals. I just want the British people to know the truth about what is going on in their own country.

[00:55:15]>> I've got to say Ministry, don't manipulate the figures.

[00:55:18]>> Man said it did not recognize claims of a cover up. They say they're in the process of appealing uh the ICO's decision and they work comment on live legal proceedings. I got to tell you, this is why so many people feel gas in this country though because uh anyone with working eyes uh can see that there's something not quite right and that things indeed are changing in this country. Speaking of live legal proceedings, of course, that awful news at the top of the bulletins about Anne Whitikum and her murder. What is this world coming to, ladies and gents? For now, that's all I've got time for.

[00:55:49]Thanks, panel. Thanks you at home. Have a great night. I'll see you tomorrow night.

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