In legal proceedings, proper discovery procedures require adequate notice periods and appropriate service of subpoenas to witnesses, and courts have the authority to address misconduct such as misrepresentations in filings and improper handling of witness depositions. The O'Keefe v. Read case demonstrates how improper deposition notices (served directly to a witness rather than their attorney, with insufficient time for preparation) and misrepresentations in court filings can constitute misconduct that courts will address.
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O'Keefe v. Read: Motion To Compel - Let's Chat
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[music] [music] [music] [music] Hey guys, we are so sorry we're late.
>> We are so late.
>> Very late.
>> Oh my god. 20 minutes late. You >> 20 minutes late. We apologize. It's totally Karen Reed's fault.
>> 100%.
>> Um and you know, we can't control her.
So, um actually, it's just been a crazy week as you can tell. Um, and we wanted to let you know that we have so many shows backlogged, but so much stuff has happened that we're moving them around to accommodate newer news and news that's more relevant. So, thank you for um being patient with us while we switch it up. We have plenty of content. We're never going to run out of content, [laughter] so it's all good. Um, and we wanted to start by talking about an email that we received in response to us reaching out for a conversation with Adam De and we wanted to let you know how that went.
So, take it away Carrie.
>> Okay. Um, so, uh, Jams reached out to, um, Adam Deech because, as probably a lot of you know, um, he went on, um, Emily C's show. Um, so we thought, you know, it would be great for us to to try to get him on here. Uh, we could ask him, you know, all the questions that all of us have um, and whatnot. So, uh, Lydia put it up on the screen. I'm gonna read it off of here just because I cannot see that. Um, but just so um, so this was the it was a lovely email she sent. Uh, dear Mr. Deech, I hope this message finds you well. I'm reaching out on behalf of our YouTube show, The Forensic Room, to extend an invitation for you to join us for a conversation on the air. We've noticed you have participated in other media appearances discussing your platform and why you are running for Northfor County DA and we wanted to offer you the same opportunity with us. Our goal is to provide a respectful structured discussion space where guests can speak freely with agreed upon parameters. I also want to be clear about where we stand so there are no misunderstanding or surprises. We are not aligned with the free Karen Reed movement. Our panel has consistently expressed the view that the O'Keefe family was failed by the outcome of the case and our focus remains strongly pro- victim and pro- witness particularly particularly in support of the O'Keefe family and the Commonwealth witnesses involved which is important right because um those witnesses were Adam Dee witness Adam Deech's witnesses as well >> in the federal grand jury so these were witnesses he was responsible for uh protecting ing. Um so that that should be important to him. Um that said, we are also committed to fair and good faith dialogue. If you are opening to joining us, we would of course respect any reasonable parameters you would like to set in advance regarding topics you are are not willing to discuss. We're happy to discuss those boundaries ahead of time so the conversation remains comfortable and productive for everyone involved. If this is something you would be interested in, we would be glad to coordinate a time that works for you.
Thank you for your consideration and I look forward to hearing from you. Um, so this was a great email, right? Like she basically was like he could have kind of any parameters he wanted. Um, another thing to mention is um I also know someone who kind of um doesn't know him but has spoken to him and um he actually said that he was very open to coming on other shows um because you know he did go on the Emily C show. So that is why we sent this letter um because we we expected him to to come on because he said that he he wanted to do that to get on different shows and whatnot. Um so they expect him to say yes.
>> Yeah. So um he responded uh dear Jenny we sincerely thank you for the invite onto your show. We're still evaluating media opportunities and cannot commit to anything right now but invite you to stay in touch as we near September 1st.
So basically he said no thank you. M >> um so that that should tell you a lot.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> For anyone who lives in Northfor County like I do, that should tell you everything you need to know.
>> Yeah. This needs to get posted. Um Yeah, that was a that was a resounding no.
>> Yes. And and please remember, I mean, look at that letter she wrote. It's so nice. And she also said that she is in support of the O'Keefe family, the victims. Um, and he still said no.
>> He said no.
>> He said no.
>> And I think I think we're very fair.
>> Um, we certainly wouldn't have ambushed him if he had said I I can't talk about this. I don't want to talk about that.
We would have respected that. Um, and instead of negotiating with us, he said no. So, you know, for the voters, that's the type of person he is. Um, he's not going to negotiate. He's not going to compromise. He's just going to say goodbye and I'm not gonna bother with you if you don't um Right.
>> Fine. So that that's not a that's not a good sign.
>> No, it's not a good sign. And I'm I'm um extremely harsh on him on um Twitter as everybody knows and like she wrote in that letter. I'd actually I knew that she sent it obviously. I didn't know what she said in it, but she really was like we will respect any of your boundaries. I mean, even if he had said that crazy Mama Llama cannot be on, I would not I would not have got I would not have been on and left it to my friends to have a respectful dialogue with him. Um, >> but it but it is kind of interesting because you are one of the five of us who is actually a constituent.
>> Right. 100%. Right. So that even, >> you know, so it really really please anyone from Norfor County who is listening. Um I don't care who you vote for, just don't vote for him. I mean, listen to what look at that letter. He said no. He went on someone's show who raises money and supports Aiden Kierney who is being charged with harassing and intimidating his federal witnesses.
Yeah, >> I mean that can't be said enough.
>> The YouTuber who also mocks the victim's mother, >> correct?
>> And mocks the witnesses who were, you know, received egregious things like the seaman, what appear to be seammen on a photo of their child.
>> Yep. and mocks the uh pins that John's children slash uh made for him in remembrance of him >> and who also blocked me when I asked her if she wanted to discuss the text stream data.
No, [laughter] >> statistics say that that is the number one reason for blocking Tuesday on >> Yes, we've done a >> So, uh me being from Nor County, I just felt really strongly um about needing to share that because that is that's a big red flag. [laughter] >> Yeah. You know, and I get it. If he had if he had said here, you know, if he had a list of a hundred things that you know, we you can't talk about this, you can't talk about that. um I only want one interviewer and I pick XYZ. That's fine. We would have we would have we would have been amendable to any of those things. But he basically just said um yeah, thanks. No.
>> Yep. And she could not have made that more clear. I didn't realize how many times she wrote it. I mean, she really did.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um Wow.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, what we're going to go into next, we're gonna play for you guys that um he the part of the hearing that got um cut off >> in the beginning.
>> Didn't even get aired.
>> Yeah. But we want to we want to tell you guys what happened leading up to this um motions practice, right? So, what what was going on behind the scenes before they filed all this stuff. And so, we're gonna start on June 2nd. and June 2nd um started with Aiden Carney's show. Um he played a video that someone sent to him.
We're not going to play that particular video because that is not our story.
That is Colin Albert's story and his parents' story. It should have been a a beautiful moment for them. Um it should not have been shared on social media.
But um Aiden Carney got a hold of it and on June 2nd he played it and then he made these remarks. So, I am going to go to Aiden's video. And guys, I'm sorry.
Jenny normally does this for me. So, um, >> we miss you, Jenny.
>> Yeah. Yep. [sighs and gasps] Um, and why can't I see it, you guys?
Why can't I?
>> Jenny, >> did you [laughter] add it to the stage?
>> Um, so it's only picking up Hold on. I'm gonna go into my online thing. It's only picking up um what I have open like online.
So, let me just log into this really quick.
>> Thank you, Truth. This is a nice nice suggestion. Thank you so much.
>> That's >> Oh, that's amazing idea, Truth. Um, so Truth says it's the one-year anniversary of the uh verdict. So, it's the one-year anniversary of um John O'Keefe and his family not getting justice. So consider donating $12, $1 for every month for that justice for John was denied. That's a great idea.
>> Thank you.
>> The Venmo's in the upper corner and also um the website defending the truth.org >> and it is pinned at the top of the chat a link to it.
>> While we're looking for the video, let um we should explain what the video the hearing was in general.
So, it was the hearing where they were discussing um Colin's deposition, right? The whole issue with Colin's deposition, >> right?
>> And the hearing, whoever was recording it in the room, whatever media station it was, was it W?
>> They only caught the second half of it for whatever reason. We can go down that road if we want, but but it only caught half of it and it caught the half where the judge was being pretty stern with um Colin's attorney or the witness's attorney. And so that was what went wild on all the YouTuber Law Tuber shows. Uh but the first half came out today or the full thing I should say. And in the first part, we really get to see some of the misinformation and lies that the judge called the Karen's team out for.
One of which was them quoting Alan Jackson in a way that made it look like they were quoting Proctor as saying, "Pin it on the girl."
That was one of the things that really really bothered me in that motion. And I I honestly can't even believe they even tried to attempt that.
>> Yeah. So, yeah. So, I've got it up. Um, let's see you guys.
>> There we go. I see. Okay.
>> It's not It's okay. Here we go. So, this is Aiden.
>> He's gone. Colin's gone. Just like that.
He's leaving. We lost two people today.
We lost >> Okay. I don't It's not coming up right.
So, hold on a second.
>> Oh my god, you guys.
[laughter] >> So, hold on.
>> Just We don't need to see his face. Just play it like that.
>> Um, hold on. I'm going to figure this out.
So, let me remove this.
>> Just upload the file directly into present, Julie. And then it'll be just the file. So just do present and then do from your upload from your computer and just that file.
>> Let's see if that works.
>> That's Colin Albert. He's gone. Colin's gone. Just like that. He's leaving.
We lost two people today. We lost two more. Bite the dust. Colon's gone. He's done. He's out. He's in the army.
That's his Wi-Fi.
>> No. Is it?
>> No, it's me. It's not.
>> Yeah. So, it says it's moving, but it's not.
So, that is not working, which is bad. So, let me take this off, which I don't know where it's at now.
How do I take that off?
>> There we go.
>> Okay, thank you. Perfect. Let me try this again.
It's on my screen, too. That's why.
Can you do share the window? Is that what you were doing? Share the window.
>> I'm going to try to share the the window.
Um, oh, Truth, you're so honest.
That's great.
So close.
>> That's not good.
[laughter] I love it.
I love it.
>> The problem is I don't know how to get it off. Like why is it doing that to me?
Um >> because you're showing up the window that has our show in it. You're not showing the window that has the video in it.
>> Okay. So let me try it one more time.
Um so I have it on window.
And then I put it on that. There you go.
Yep.
>> Michelle Michelle just said, "Come on, Julie. TV's watching you." [laughter] >> At least there's not a bird in here.
>> Yeah.
>> He's out. He's in the army. He's gonna go free, you know, beat Iran by himself with his bare hands. So, he's gone. And Sean Good's gone. If you thought the advantage boys were in for, we see what the Ayatollah is in for because now that Colon's in the army, they're [ __ ] They're [ __ ] Imagine that. Imagine the cross- examination. So, Mr. Albert, um, so you're in the army, right? Okay.
So, you're gonna protect this country from everything foreign and domestic.
Yep. Well, how are you going to protect this country if you're a big fat [ __ ] How how how like it's like a gaping [ __ ] too. Like you're just opening the flaps and you can just let other countries walk in here because your [ __ ] is that wide open. It's just open for business. A gaping gaping vagina.
We're [ __ ] you know. We're [ __ ] I don't know. Maybe they can they need somebody to like they like a water boy.
Does the army have a water boy? I don't know. But anyway, that's what Cole is.
>> Yeah.
>> What is wrong? What is wrong with that man? I I don't I don't even I mean there's no no low that he won't go. Like it's the someone went into the military and and he can't even just shut his [ __ ] mouth. Like it's really unbelievable.
>> Yeah. I normally do not turn him on. Um I I watch like later and that particular night I had turned it on. I can't remember what we were doing. I think I think we actually were already going to bed and I had put it and I saw that video and I was like, "Oh my god." Do you guys remember like the texting like, "Oh my god, >> it's so crazy how they how they say, you know, how they'll pick one way or the other." Like they're accusing Colin of being this like big fighter who's like such a tough guy.
>> Now he's a [ __ ] >> Now he's a [ __ ] who needs to be the water boy. Like it never This is the flip-flopping around is >> Yeah. Which is it?
>> Yeah. Did he Did he knock out the Boston cop and kill him >> or is he a [ __ ] who is the water boy in the army? Which pick your lane? Which is >> right.
>> Yeah. They don't They're not thinking that hard.
>> Nope. [sighs and gasps] Nope. Sorry. All right. So, the next thing we're going to show you is the next day there was a hearing in um the wrongful death case.
And so, Aaron Rosenberg made some statements during that hearing.
And let's see if I can do this right now.
>> You can do it, Julie. [laughter] >> I have faith in you.
>> All right. Perfect. pending one right now is a motion to compel production and a deposition of Colin Albert. Um then there is I believe it's likely that you'll see similar motions relating to the six other individuals that I listed, but we just found out last night that they're apparently unavailable.
>> I didn't hear the last part of that. I said as I as I said earlier, we've only just found out last night that they're apparently unavailable. So that motion hasn't been served.
>> Did the notice of unavailability indicate any reason or other other than they just can't be there? says, "With respect to the depositions, our clients are not available on the dates proposed in the subpoenas and then their availability is as follows. Almost entirely July and late July and August.
That's it.
So, we'll confer and try to work that out and get them sooner than that. But if not, those you should expect those motions.
>> Attorney Salson, did you find the date when they were first noticed?
>> Yes, your honor. They were noticed.
Depositions went out on May 5th for for various states in June and May.
>> And attorney Rosenberg or attorney sen how did they get kicked over beyond that because it's June already.
No, >> those are the dates that So, Colin Albert refused to to appear and refused to produce documents. Said his attorney said he was unavailable and then out of the blue said now he's only available for another seven days and then he's gone for the rest of your discovery period. So, that's that was that was that deposition. The other ones are the ones that I've been referring to today.
They've gotten kicked out because we just found out that they're apparently unavailable.
>> It's good to hear that someone's paying attention to what >> Yeah. So, that was the next day, right?
So, we have the announcement that Colin is leaving for um is it it's basic basic training. Um the next day then we have this hearing and Aaron Rosenberg makes this statement >> um knowing I mean there's full well both of these men both Rosenberg and Celixen know about the social media. We know that they know about the social media because Damon Celixen is sharing people on the FKR side right on on his own feed. So they're very >> they're sharing people and posing with some of the most vile >> people on the FKR movement. Um harassers and um one of them who put a bounty on the witness's head on a social media page. He's posing for photos with them.
>> Yep. So So you've got this um boiling pot with Colen that started on the second. Then you've got Rosenberg making these remarks, right? So he makes those remarks on the 3 and I'm going to kind of go a little bit out of order here. Um, we all know the next day after this hearing, Karen filed that lawsuit in Bristol County and then that Friday she went on the Today Show. They went on this like media thing. This happened that weekend, right? So all of these things are converging. Um, Alan Jackson goes on Billy Bush and Alan Jackson makes some statements regarding Colin and the witnesses.
>> What has to be said with Jen McCabe in front?
>> All right. He makes some statements um and so [clears throat] you'll we'll we'll get to it um when we talk about the hearing. Higgins and and and the Albert and the Alberts.
Uh Colin Colin Albert just enlisted in the military. He's going off to >> Yeah. in a week or so. The chat section is needs to know has he been deposed yet.
>> Colin, >> yes.
>> Um the answer is no. He has not been deposed yet. Uh there was some shenanigans that were that were played around what was supposed to be a a deposition uh that was scheduled, rescheduled, etc. the other side has uh played a few games, but no, his his actual court ordered deposition has not been taken.
>> Can he Well, I mean, he's got six days before he goes to the military. Can you guys >> That doesn't Go going to the military does not absolve you of the responsibility of showing up for deposition when you're duly uh subpoenaed and he will be.
>> So, he'll have to come back from military duty. Does that take precedence from, you know, serving? Because many people might think in the military to get out of that, you know, >> right?
>> Court order the court order takes precedence over everything. Uh so it it will it's yet to be seen who shows up when and where. But but Colin Hour is not going to get out of the responsibility of answering questions any more than anybody else is. We're not going to sit back and say, "Oh, well, you just joined the the army or the Navy or whatever it is that whatever branch you joined uh and and that absolves you of the responsibility of answering tough questions because everybody involved in this is going to answer some tough questions."
>> Do you hear what he said?
>> Everybody involved in this.
>> Yeah.
>> Helen isn't even named. She would even name him. What do you mean everyone involved?
>> Not not only that, the I just can't I can't figure out how free Karen Reed doesn't realize how stupid all these lawyers think they are. And I'm sorry, but you go with it. So, you must be right. Like, you you must be because Colin Albert has testified in front of a state uh murder case at trial. He's testified at two grand juries. He's answered every question that's been uh thrown at him and he stayed around here for four years. He got he had to leave his college, his football team because of all of you unhinged lunatics. And now he's going off to a totally opposite life that he this was not the life he had planned.
>> Um and now you're using this as oh he's running he's running to what are you talking about?
>> Right. Right. What are you talking?
There's only there's only two people who haven't answered any questions. Karen Reed and Aiden Kierney.
>> And Billy Bush, you know, slips that in, right? He's like, "Oh, so you could just join the military to run away." Like that was Collins intent.
>> That was Yeah. Like that that wasn't planned that entire interview. I think it's important to note too is that and I have the video if we wanted to play it, but >> Alan Jackson and Billy Bush are friends.
I have video of him doing a little nice little thing for Billy Bush >> saying that everyone needs a Billy Bush in their life.
>> Yep. Yep. They are friends. This is all a PR >> nonsense.
And >> a good It's a good old boys club, right?
That's what this is. This is Alan Jackson >> who does very well. He's got a 96% success rate, right? And I guess it's probably gone up since Karen was acquitted. Um, but that's a really high success rate for a defense attorney >> because think of how many people need a defense attorney that are actually guilty, right? versus versus not guilty.
And so he his whole shtick is that he's got his little PR media ties and he has a tactic that he goes with and this is >> Emily, Emily Baker, all of them.
>> Like Tuesday just said, all of them.
[snorts] But the reality is, you know, them saying, "Oh, he joined the army to avoid a deposition." Okay. No. And how long is this young man supposed to put his life on hold for? Because Karen Reed decided to point the finger at him to get to evade accountability. How long is he supposed to do this? I Someone please answer that for me.
>> And not only that, he's hiding. Do you Morren not realize he is suing her?
>> Yeah. Lawsuit on her. Are you out of your mind?
>> Well, I mean, there was a whole thing Melanie Little did today. I mean, no matter no matter what the witnesses do, they're wrong. So, she's like, "Oh, we want our privac park thing like we want our privacy."
Um, and then she's like, and then you sue them. you guys said for how many months like if if what we're saying if what Aiden is saying isn't true then sue him. He said it multiple times then they do that and then they're still wrong. So I don't there's no pleasing any of you.
So what happens the morning that Karen files um that lawsuit against Proctor, which I do think that was that was orchestrated. I think it was strategic when she filed it. Um but there's a hearing in the defamation case and this is for the protective order. Um the station that had it is justice served.
Um they called it the crybab the crybab hearing. Um Linda Bonan is Aiden Carney's attorney in another case.
Both of these people are attorneys.
They're calling the witnesses cryb babies because now they filed a defamation case. But anyways, um they had that hearing. If you guys have not watched it, I would um I would urge you to watch that hearing. It's a great hearing. Tim Bradle really looks out of his depth. I if I was Aiden Carney, I'd be very very concerned. But this happens during that hearing. So you're going to see Tuxberry. Um I am so bad at this you guys.
like that kind of what I just said.
>> I I appreciate that your honor, but it relates to this case and the issues I put before your honor. As you know, this case is a defamation as last week have been subject to prior harassment.
>> Let me ask you a question. Does what you want to relate to me?
Is it the reason you were raising your hand yesterday, your honor, because statements were made yesterday about my clients?
>> Okay, let me back up and give you the whole picture here. Remember this was on Wednesday. No, Thursday. Wednesday was the hearing in the wrongful death case and during that case uh Tuxbury was kind of antsy. Uh we went through that the other night uh because there were a number of things that were being said by Aaron Rosenberg who works with Mr. Sixston and representing Karen Reed uh that obviously Tuxberry did not agree with but never really got addressed and and again Bill Dea is the same judge for both on purpose. That was the way it was set up. So let's see if he's allowed to get into that in this hearing for a totally different case.
>> You're not going to mix. I I that my client was a supporting that case should be false and then subject okay and I guess the question was not enough talking about yesterday we should contemplate trying to consolidate matters for discovery purposes so we avoid these issues where arguments are made without council parties there to present to them we talked about that with parties out they opposed it this side and the other parties okay with it idea >> again I like to deal what's in front of me and I'm not here to tell the council how to try their cases and prepare their cases. So you think something is warranted you can file a motion anything else.
>> Yep. So that happened in the um protective order hearing and so now we're going to show you something that happens outside. And so what happens outside is really the source of the argument.
um between Rosenberg and Tuxberry.
So, let me bring it up. I am really missing Jenny tonight.
>> You're doing great. [laughter] >> I'm really bad at this.
This is like flying a plane. Like, >> we respect a judge's concern about >> Sorry. Hold on. So, I'm gonna I'm gonna preface this before I show it to you guys. It is Tim Bradle and he is talking. I want you guys to watch the um right side of the screen. what's going on on the right side of the screen.
You're going to see Toxberry and you're going to see Celixen moving the case along. Uh fortunately for Mr. Carney and SLAP statue really gives him very substantial protections to uh put the brakes on while we establish whether this is petitionary activity or not.
>> Now, let me just preface this as he continues on. Two things. First of all, you'll see that I frame him a little bit left side because you'll see Selixson and Tuxbury Plus attorney having a schmooze vest behind him. Uh just to give you a sense of, you know, that's how it is in the the real world. You may be combatants, you know, in the gladiator arena, but you're outside and you're having a friendly, you know, civil conversation about moving forward in the case. The other thing I want to mention is the young lady who asked that question, the question was about the Karen Reed filing that had just I mean literally just hit the paper um as we were going into court that morning. So it kind of took over the the narrative for the day. Tim doesn't even address it. I'm not even sure he knew about it at that point because it was that close to the time he was spending in court. So anyway, that was she's getting if it were me, I would be objecting to his response as non-responsive because he went into the whole anti-slap thing. But anyway, then our interview picks up.
>> We're very confident. So um so the judge is sort of trying to grapple, I think, with both sides of the coin as judges will do, you know, trying to get the thing moving along. But in this peculiar the peculiarities of this situation uh we do have this uh right to put the brakes on and deal with the first amendment issue which you fully intend to do.
>> Thanks guys.
>> Yes R.
>> Yeah. Take care guys. Have a good day.
Of course. Anything you need is a bit of a stickler. I would say more. [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> Yep. So did you guys see that? That's that is when Rosenberg approaches Celixen. Sorry, Rosenberg Tuxberry approaches Celixson about what Aaron Rosenberg said the day prior. This is the way they're supposed to treat each other, right? So, they're supposed to be civil. They're supposed to talk about these things. So, Tuxberry had said, you know, obviously something we couldn't clean up that audio to find out what was being said in the background, but that's where that that occurs. And it makes a lot of sense, right? They're both in court together. Something was said about Tuxer's client. He goes to the attorney that is on the team that is there and he's like, "Hey, can we work this out?
You know, there were things that we said that were um not exactly correct." Um and then you're going to see what happens. So, now we have the emails.
Now, these were part of an exhibit in the um witness's reply. And after that conversation occurred, there were a series of emails. So, I'm going to bring those up.
And hold on a second, you guys.
I'm so bad at this. Um, why can't I see it? So, I have it.
Thank you for all the $12, by the way.
Y'all are so sweet.
>> So, I can't see it >> because it's not in present.
>> Oh. Oh, okay. Thanks. That that it's helpful.
>> Um, so I have it. If I click this, will it then let me click into it?
>> Yep, it should.
>> Um, >> uh, you might have Yeah, you might have to open it in Acrobat or in a tab.
>> Yeah, I can't. I >> Oh, just do when you go to present, do upload from your computer again instead of sharing the window.
>> Yeah.
>> Do present and then do um slides and PDFs.
>> Gotcha. And then yeah, y'all are all going to learn StreamYard by the time we're done with you.
>> Wow. Sorry, guys. I'm sorry.
>> Free class. Actually, we're going to charge. Everyone needs to donate $5 for us teaching you how to use Streamyard. How about that?
Streamyard is hard.
So, how come it didn't come up? I did that and it >> it is. It's there. So, here.
>> Can you see it? No.
>> Great. So, do you want to read, Lydia?
Because I can't see. And we're gonna go all the way. So, we've got to read bottom up.
>> Bottom up.
>> Do I need to go to the next page?
>> You need to go to the last page and then move forward. So, the last page is going to be the first communication. I think the first communication is from Diller.
>> Okay. Yeah. Mark Diller if uh that please consider Oh, no. This >> that's just their notices.
Yeah. So this and what's the date on this? The 22nd. Yeah. So this 2. This is actually about something else, >> but then we're going to see somebody jumps in on this chain and it starts the communication.
>> Interesting.
>> Go ahead and read that one from Mark.
>> Got it. Council, please note the following. One, Tuesday's deposition of Macowski is off while the O'Keefe and Reed teams confer on Reed's objection to the matter. Two, we were notified that Ms. Collins and Miss Bombadier need to reschedu the Thursday depositions.
Three, given all the parties were already blocked for the day and our need to move the depositions forward, we investigated and discovered that Colin Albert's deposition was canceled by the Reed team previously and never renoticed, subpoenaed to date. Albert's council has agreed to accept the subpoena and to appear next Thursday at his council's office, 28 State Street, for deposition. See the attached deposition notice which has been properly served on Albert with a confirmed appearance. Four, Friday's deposition remains on the calendar and has been confirmed that is going forward. Have a nice holiday weekend. I look forward to seeing you all next week.
>> So, I'm going to jump in real quick. So this is what they're arguing about and this is what Rosenberg and Waters and Celixen are saying. You didn't notice us properly. You didn't give us the right amount of time because Waters was supposed to do the deposition but he was going to be out of town. One of the things that I want to say that I did not say is if you look at the exhibits, Colin was handled very very differently than the other witnesses, right? The other nonparty witnesses. Colin, we you'll see it when we go through the motion, but um he was noticed back in February and then they sent it to him in um April, did not go through his attorney, went directly to Colin um and asked for like a ridiculous amount of production in six days, which is completely it's inappropriate.
Almost my opinion, they did it so that it had to be cancelled. all of the other witnesses they noticed on May 5th. I believe Colin was left out of that. He was handled very very differently. Um, and I don't think anyone has pointed that out up until this point, but you need to understand um what was going on with Colin and that he was for some reason singled out by the Reed team and they handled it the way that they did.
So, it's it's almost like they remember the good old days, right, in 2023 before they realized how, you know, before the judge was like, "What? He's not even going to be allowed as a third party.
This is ridiculous."
>> They remember, I mean, look at social media right now. They love going after Colin Albert. She knows that. She knows that. It should be said those two day those three days the second the third the fourth the fifth like what was going on on social media up until today I mean it's still I I still had horrible comments on my post today yes >> about Colin like it continues it >> they yes and and it was it was done right like you >> and Colin Albert this is the fallout from their PR >> 100% >> smear of [clears throat] him because Colin hasn't been mentioned for a very long time I I mean, he wasn't even allowed in the second trial. He was he wasn't even he wasn't even at 34 fairs.
They know that.
>> So, they know that [snorts] how much this mob loves going at him and making him the killer.
>> Yeah.
>> And she knows that this is all her.
>> This is 100% Karen. 100%. They are doing this at Karen's direction. So, do you want to go to the next one, Lydia?
Because this gets really spicy as we go.
Get spicy.
>> Very spicy.
>> Mark, your notice of deposition relating to Colin Albert's deposition violates the rules of civil procedure and therefore is invalid. As a result, you have a right under the rules to proceed with his deposition on May 28th. Kieran, please see attached for service pursuant to Superior Court Rule 9A, our motion to compel and memorandum relating to Colin Albert's deposition. Please provide your opposition in accordance with rule 9A.
Chaz, >> now remember they had canceled his deposition because they had improperly noticed him for the discovery and they were like, "Oh, it doesn't make sense to do the deposition without the discovery." Um he he never he never said, "I'm not going to produce this."
But they did not give him the appropriate amount of time. And then they were like, "Oh, yeah, we should cancel it." Okay, so now here we go again. What date is this, Lydia? And who is this one from?
>> This is May 26. So this is 4 days after the initial email and this is from Chaz Waters.
>> Yeah.
>> And he is forwarding the email and he says FYI. So I guess he's forwarding that prior chain. So then on June 4th is the next email.
>> And this is this this is coming after that conversation between Tuxberry and Celixen that you guys saw. That was very cordial. Very cordial.
>> Very cordial. Warm. Friendly. Yes. Yes.
>> Chummy.
>> Yes.
>> Hi Damon. So this is from Kieran Murphy to Damon. Hi Damon. I understand that you spoke with Jim today about the misrepresentations made by Aaron in open court during yesterday's wrongful death status conference regarding the facts surrounding Colin Albert's deposition and document subpoena. Please advise as soon as possible whether Aaron or another member of your team intends to retract or clarify those statements with Judge Gilda. Otherwise, we intend to cross move for sanctions against Aaron for violating rules of professional conduct 3.3A when serving our opposition to the outstanding motion to compile tomorrow. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Karen.
>> So, Lydia, can you tell me the time on that email? Yes, that is at 4:4056.
Correct.
>> Yeah. And so that was a morning hearing.
So obviously, right, >> Mr. Tuxberry went all day and Mr. Murphy went all day. No response from Seen. So all of these things are very important in understanding what was going on here.
So we can go to the next one.
>> Okay.
So then Aaron, this is this is where it gets spicy.
>> Yeah. Aaron responds the same day at 4:45. Wait a minute. The other one was at 4:40. So five minutes later, Aaron says, "You guys are really something else. What misrepresentations?"
Might help to lay out what you keep Oh, sorry. What you allege to be misrepresentations before accusing your opposing council of lying.
>> So, and obviously St. Louis has not had the conversation with Rosenberg. They went all day. They were like, "Whatever, bro. We're not doing anything about this. We're going to let it fester." And so, we're going to show a picture um during this presentation. Um Celixen after he had that conversation with I think we already said this. I might be repeating this, but because it bothers me so much. After he has that conversation with Tuxberry where Tuxberry is telling him how problematic this is for his client, >> Felixen goes over and takes a picture with all the people that are harassing Colin on social media. It's insane.
Insane.
>> Yep.
>> Insane. [clears throat] >> And then he comments on it after. Thanks everyone. Gives uh fist pumps on emojis to all of them on Twitter.
>> Yeah.
>> Yep.
a lawyer. A lawyer.
>> A lawyer.
>> So then Tuxberry responds and he says, "Aaron, I spoke with your partner Damon at length today about this. You said yesterday in open court that Colin Albert refused to appear for a deposition. That was demonstrabably not true. Our email exchange confirms that Miss Reed canled the April 29th deposition. That misrepresentation has had realworld impact on Colin and my other clients have faced an onslaught of online harassment, defamation, and intimidation sparked by your statements yesterday.
Damon indicated that he would speak with you and get back to me with an explanation if if [clears throat] any, which I told him that I would listen to.
I remain willing to do so. Jim. So Jim is surprised that these two people who work together have not spoken about this. Like it's not Jim's fault that this conversation that he had with Damon that Damon was then supposed to have with Jim didn't happen. Right.
>> Correct. Correct.
>> And it probably they it probably did happen. They don't care. Like they don't care what they're doing to the witnesses, you know? They don't they don't care. They want this to happen.
And I think they're kind of riding >> that's why they do it.
>> They're riding that, you know, Karen Reed ego bath where they think everything's gonna go their way and we can just do whatever to whoever >> and no one's ever going to call us on it. And I um >> after the end I'll give some comments about my opinion about what happened here.
>> But you can feel that the taxpayer seems a little taken back when he's like we already talked about this. Like what is going on? Why are you so mad?
>> Exactly. Exactly. So, I'm going to go to the next page to grab the beginning of this email.
>> So, then Aaron responds, "Uh, Jim, Damon did not leave your conversation with any understanding of what m misrepresentation you were referring to. I don't believe I misrepresented anything, but now that you've identified to me what you claimed to be inaccurate, I'm willing to review the recording of the status conference and evaluate whether I think that I misspoke. If so, I would of course correct the record. However, as you know, there were two ways for you and your firm to handle your concern. You could have sent a simple email to me, the lawyer you believe misspoke, identifying it and asking me to correct it. Instead, your firm elected the first contact with me regarding this issue to be a threat of sanctions and an allegation of an ethical violation without any explanation. I take it from your unnecessary and discourteous aggression that you I can't see this.
It's blocked by the slide thing. Darn it.
That you stand by every word you've said and something in this case. So, we'll follow up with you later regarding the multiple statements in your recent reply in the federal case and your defamation complaint that are demonstrably not true. I'll let you know by Tuesday morning whether I believe any of my statements at the status conference warrant clarification. Thanks Aaron.
>> He's something else. Is that the end of it?
>> That is the end of that.
>> Okay. So, I've got another one, Lydia.
And I cannot remember how we shared this. So, this is what Aaron decides to do. He is um if you guys saw it, how did you get that one? I can't remember how you got it.
What?
>> How did we put the emails up? How did I do that?
>> Oh, so you did um you did presenter invite and the slides are PDFs.
>> Okay, I will do that again. So, so if anybody was paying attention to the docket, there was this weird letter that showed up, right? And we were all like, what in the world is that? Yep.
>> So, that letter was the result of these emails, right? And so what's going to happen is then we're going to get this motions practice after it. Um I did slides and PDFs, right Lydia?
>> Yes. Or it could be if it's an image file, you can choose image file if it's a photo.
>> Um it might be a photo.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, there it is.
So I cannot read this, but this is what Mr. Rosenberg decided to do instead of um anything else. He decided to write a better letter. Can you read it? He >> did.
>> Better letter. Okay. This is from Shefinny regarding the case and lists the full case name. Dear Judge Gilda, council for Colin Albert, a third party witness in the above caption case, has baslessly alleged that I intentionally misrepresented facts or misled the court during the status conference on June 3rd, 2026 in this case and has insisted that I clarify the record. I understand that Mr. Albert's council attempted to raise these claims in open court at a oh at a hearing on another matter concerning Mr. Albert where I was not present but your honor did not entertain the discussion because no relevant motion was before the court at the June 3rd conference as part of a lengthy back and forth with the court [laughter] about the status of many depositions in the case. I referenced the six depositions that Mr. Albert's council had unilaterally purported to cancel at 9:20 p.m. the night before the conference. I then referred in passing like that matters to Mr. Albert's deposition and his refusal to comply with the subpoena my office served on him. When I said that he had refused to appear, it was not to suggest that Mr. Albert took the position immediately upon service of the subpoena that he would never appear under any circumstances. That is not what I said.
Instead, I was referring to the fact the same that the same council that sent the 920 email had on behalf of Mr. Albert refused to produce documents in response to his subpoena. delayed responding for weeks to propose narrowing of the subpoena terms. Failed to provide additional reasonable available dates after the deposition was postponed, not cancelled because reasonable available dates after the dep oops, I read that again because of the document dispute emailed in late May to say that Mr. Albert would only be available for the 13 days that followed, after which he would be unavailable indefinitely. and then coordinated with the plaintiff's council to schedule a new separate deposition pursuant to a new subpoena from the plaintiff plaintiffs notice 6 days before such deposition in direct violation of rule three something when I stated in response to your question that Mr. Albert refused to appear for the deposition. That is what I was referring to. That makes my head hurt.
>> Okay, wait, there's more.
>> Doesn't even make any sense.
>> Yeah, there's more.
>> Well, that's Oh, okay. As I told you in the status conference, the conduct described above is the subject of a pending motion to compel, which we will file promptly once we receive Mr. Albert's opposition. But rather than regarding the rather than arguing the merits of this dispute, Mr. Albert's council has elected to launch false accusations of intentional and misrepresentation at opposing council and demand clarification. I do not think this is the best use of the parties or court's time and resources. However, and Mr. Albert's council's insistence, I am providing an explanation.
>> Yeah, nobody nobody insisted that he provide that letter. He chose to do that. Um, I do think that there was a Mark Better influence there. [laughter] >> Yeah, >> it sounds like such a whiny [ __ ] I mean I mean it just screams like stomping your foot and acting like a complete [ __ ] >> I mean, he could have just been like, "Oh, hey, sorry." like just a quick little, you know, little >> I didn't say that.
>> I misstated or I >> No, it was he he wanted it very public.
He it was rocking it. He wanted this in the public like this is they are playing to social media. They are playing to the media. That's what they wanted and that's what he did. and and you know I know like you know the motions practice came a few days later after this um there there were and we'll go through them as we're going through these motions um the reactions of YouTubers all of this stuff was available to you guys right I have a full-time job I have a family everybody that that is on this show has jobs they have families they have whatever we all understood what was going on right >> behind this, right? As soon as that was filed and we saw these exhibits, these emails, we knew, >> but the take on the other YouTube stations, um, they completely ignored all of this. And I get it. I get it.
There was a lot going on. You know, Karen filed that lawsuit. But if you're going to go on YouTube and you're going to say things, at least at least make sure you give your audience the background. And so we wanted you guys to have this >> um because there was a lot going on. I don't know how many people caught >> the conversation between um Tuxberry and and Celixen, right?
>> Obviously, Justice Served did have that on their feed, but I didn't hear anybody mention it. Nobody worried about it.
>> Nope.
>> Um >> and they're probably mad that they caught it now.
>> Oh, 100%.
They didn't take it down. I gotta tell you, I don't think anybody even realized what was going on in that conversation.
They did.
>> They didn't. They don't care. All they want to do is, you know, criticize the witnesses, criticize the attorneys. They really don't care about the um substance of what's happening here.
>> Yeah. And the context in which this happened is so important because some of it is on video, >> right? And nobody asked Rosenberg to um nobody asked Rosenberg to do that.
Nobody asked Rosenberg to write a letter and have it docketed and all of this stuff. Nobody did that. So what we're going to go into next is the um part of the hearing that was cut off. Right. So >> So Juel Jill just very quickly just we should let everybody know that the judge did not um he wasn't happy about that letter.
>> No.
>> And Yeah. So there won't be there won't Yeah, there won't be any more letters.
>> Um and he actually filed into the case about it.
>> He did and he took that letter off the docket. Not that it matters. It's already out there. And the judge knows that. He knows what they did. He knows why they did it.
>> Um and there won't be any more letters.
Just like I think at one point the judge in Aiden's case as well said to Better, "Enough with your letters." Like stop >> Yeah. And and one trick, I'm surprised we haven't seen it here. This happened a lot in Deli. What the attorneys would do was they would take previously denied motions that were like 200 pages long, just garbage for social media, and they would incorporate it into a new motion.
>> Sure.
>> So, the judge finally had to say a similar thing like, "We're not going to do this. If a motion gets denied, you're not going to recycle it, you know, with an extra sentence and it's going to be a new filing. We're not doing that.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's just embarrassing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, [clears throat] when did we know yesterday? I mean, fairly quickly we knew that there was part of that hearing that was not televised.
>> Yeah. Very early. And it was very upsetting for I think everyone all of us that to know what had happened that was just completely cut off. Um none of us are conspira conspiracy theorists but I think we all had thoughts.
>> Yeah. I think that was that was like the first time where I I was like, you know what, something at 3:00. It was supposed to start at 3:00, but um it did bode well for Karen for a few hours. That only part of that was shown.
>> Thank god we got the other half.
>> Yeah. And I honestly never thought we were going to see it. Never.
>> We agree. No, I I paid for the recording. So we I have the just audio, not the video. So we would have gotten the audio even if they you know the >> but like people need needed to see it like >> yeah they needed >> they needed to see it and >> his body language is special >> and I mean God bless Christina Rex who you know um put I think she put out the only tweet um about it and that how the judge reprimanded them for what they're doing on social media, >> right? Um because I mean I I it this just can't happen again. It can't happen again. It can't can't for hours looking for evidence of media attention to the fact that the first half was missing and we found nothing.
>> Nothing.
>> So Christina really was the only one who ended up saying that. And it was crazy because where it picked up on the stream was literally a second after he stopped >> fanbasing Rosenberg. So it was I don't know. It was >> I mean if tables were turned this would be like >> oh my god. Could you imagine? Can you imagine?
>> Oh this would be a total conspiracy 100%.
>> It would be made into something by emotion by her defense. You know her% would be >> WBZ would be on the list. They'd be >> Oh, yeah. totally.
>> I I just want to real quickly um Lil Miss Peachy asked a question.
>> Start that comment. Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. I was gonna tell her we started. So, if we remember to go back to these questions later, we will try.
But, um >> those are that is a good question.
>> It is. Okay. We ready?
>> Yep.
>> Okay.
Uh oh.
[laughter] Uh oh.
>> No, it's good. I know how to do it. It's good.
>> I do not know how to do it.
>> It's all good. Okay. Is it full screen now?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> All right.
[clears throat] >> This court is now session. Please be seated.
>> Good afternoon. Your honor may have se [clears throat] >> Good afternoon everyone. The matter before the court is civil action number 2483 CB 00692 Paula O'Keefe individually and personal representative of the estate John Joseph O'Keefe III at all versus CNC hospitality LLC doing business as CNF McCarthy's at all constant please state your name for the record because the plaintiff >> Good afternoon your honor Dan Buck on behalf of the plaintiff >> plaintiffs excuse me >> good afternoon your honor Aaron Rosenberg on behalf of defendant Reed >> afternoon good afternoon your honor Damon Selix on behalf of Karen Reed.
>> Good afternoon.
>> Good afternoon. Your Thomas Tang behalf of Karen Reed.
>> Good afternoon. Who's going to argue on behalf of Miss Reed?
>> What's Sorry. Who's going to argue?
>> I am. I am.
>> I see counts at the bench for a moment.
>> [clears throat and cough] >> So, let's start with plaintiff's motion to compel responses.
And let me start out with a question to the read attorney Rosenberg.
In your opposition, you're basically saying the motion is moved because you responded to requests on May 21st, >> right?
>> As of filing that. Yes. But I I have an update that we have.
>> You go on to say in an email that's attached here. Oh, I should also point out in the submission that you made, you pointed out to the clerk that some of the exhibits that you had submitted were not complete copies. So for the for so the record is clear, you submitted complete copies of ex three exhibits that the court has substituted for what was in there because they weren't complete. Correct.
>> Correct. I think that relates to the other motion, however. But yes, that's correct. So, in your um there's an email in there as well that >> you say there will be a future production.
>> That's the update I have for you. Is it all produced?
>> Yes.
>> Do you agree?
>> Um to be clear, uh I can't give you a definitive yes or no, your honor. Um >> when did you get it?
>> Well, to the court's probably dismay, we were actually in a deposition this morning, which is nice to report. And uh >> that wouldn't cause dismay.
>> Yeah. I I wasn't sure. I know you might cause shock. I didn't know if this may even come along with it. But um that that being said, uh attorney Fel, my colleague, and I were in attendance for this morning's deposition. Um and attorney Diller is unavailable at the moment. There was a I received an email on or about uh 11:24 a.m. this morning from Miss Reed's council acknowledging that a production to our supplemental request had been made. Um, following the completion of today's deposition, I got in the car and came here.
>> Let's not waste any more time. Can't confirm.
>> All right. You don't know. You just got it. You just sent it.
>> Our team. Yes.
>> Your team.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, that's We'll use the collective.
>> All right. Good. Yeah. That's fair.
>> Yes.
>> All right. So, let's move on. We're done with that for now.
>> All right. Anyone need to be heard any further?
>> Um, not at this time.
>> Do you need to be heard any further? No, your honor, not on that motion.
>> Okay. So, let's go to the next motion.
And that's the motion relative to compelling Mr. Albert. So, Attorney Rosenberg and I guess to all the attorneys in this case and nonp parties that are involved in the case, the pleadings I'm getting in this case and I'm sure that I will get in the McCabe case are replete with arguments presented as facts, which isn't really helpful to me. And there's a lot more background in these submissions than I really need to decide the issues. So I'm going to ask all of you in the pleadings that you file at least with me just write what I need to know in order to decide the issue and stop pandering to social media. All right. So now let's get on to your motion >> and let's I have a [snorts] question on with respect to your motion that you wrote.
>> Can I just make one quick comment your honor? Our memo our memo I agree with you but our memo of law is nine pages long and it has a page and a half of argument so we're not pandering to anyone and we don't intend to.
>> You raised it so let's talk about let's go to page three of your motion. All right.
In top page, we don't have to restate the words, but end of the first sentence to the end of the second, excuse me, end of the first line, not to the end of the second line. All right. Now, how old was that individual when they went to the wedding?
>> I I don't know, your honor, but >> So, is it really You don't know. So, is it really What if he was a ring beer? Is that really relevant to the issue I have to decide?
>> Absolutely it is. Because >> if if a young child's in ring bearer at a wedding. Okay. Go to the line above there. Okay. The words in quotes.
Whose words are those? Because there's no reference, no citation to it, which makes it totally not helpful to me.
>> Understood, your honor. And that point is taken. However, >> who was it? Do you know?
I believe it's her defense council.
>> Her defense council. You're citing a statement in quotes from your client's defense council. How is that relevant or appropriate, especially without citation?
>> If I could take the first question first and then I'll answer your second question. The first question, there's a significant relevance objection to Colin Albert being deposed or producing any documents in this case. You see it throughout the lengthy opposition.
>> I don't think the opposition is to producing any documents. I >> I would disagree with that, your honor, and I'm happy to explain why, but but there's a significant relevant objection overall to Colin Albert being a >> relevant objection, but I don't think facts or claimed facts like that are really relevant. They're nothing but attempts to sensationalize certain things. So, let's go on to the real Let's go on to the real issues of the case. Your honor, if you're going to point out that something is irrelevant, I'd like to please just very quickly address why I disagree with you.
>> I've read I've read everything. I know why you think it's relevant because they don't want to produce anything and they're trying to minimize the evolving. You're trying to do the opposite thing. I understand, >> but you just told me you don't think it's relevant. I think I have the right to sell you why I disagree.
>> I don't need all that background. All right.
>> It's not background, your honor. It's a significant point.
>> Let's move Let's move on. Well, how is the relationship >> how is the relationship between >> We're either going to move on or we're going to end the hearing.
>> I I Okay. Well, your honor, I would note for the record. I'd like to address the point that you just made made referring to something as irrelevant, which I think is actually highly relevant. If you're not going to allow me to explain that in two sentences, >> you don't know how old the person was at the time they attended the wedding.
>> Correct.
>> Okay.
>> But that doesn't impact the relevance.
The relevance is the relationship between the families. That's the relevance and that's the only reason it's referenced there. I don't think the fact that the families were close enough to attend weddings together is irrelevant to whether Mr. Albert is relevant to this case. But I'm happy to move on to your your your other question. I think I don't know if you actually if you need an answer, but I take your point about quotation marks without a citation and the uh the effectiveness of including prior statements of council in pleading. So, we'll keep that in mind. Not healthy.
>> Understood.
>> So now let's go on to some other questions I have about what happened here.
>> Your office, your you, not you individual, >> collective you, >> your collective you.
>> Yes.
>> Issued a notice of deposition on February 11th, 2026 for a deposition over two months later on April 29th. Correct.
>> Correct.
>> Okay. And you a subpoena was issued on April 15th, >> correct?
Thereabouts.
>> No. Well, that's the date.
>> Okay. Then yes, >> compelling production of documents 12 days later on April 27th and the subpoena was not served for six days. Would you agree with that?
>> If that's what it says, I don't dispute the >> Okay. Okay, >> the general point you're making.
>> So my first question is, is there a reason that you would wait two months after issuing a notice of deposition to issue the subpoena?
>> Well, there were a lot of moving pieces schedulewise, as you're aware, your honor.
>> No, the notice of deposition said the date of the deposition.
>> Understood. But obviously those changed.
Why do you wait two months less than two weeks closer to 12 days to issue the subpoena and not serve it for 6 days?
>> Well, it the service is dependent on the process server. I don't have an answer for you why it took six days.
>> No, it's not. The service is dependent upon the constable or whomever you hire to do it.
>> Correct, your honor, but they're the ones that go out and try to find >> Don't wait until two weeks before the deposition.
>> Understood, your honor. And I don't I I don't disagree with you, but but but when that issue was raised, in no form did anyone on our team say to Colin Albert's council, you have to get us those documents in the 8 days because that's what the subpoena says. The moment >> that's what the document says. And I'm going to remind you of the provisions of rule 45 which says a party or attorney, okay, responsible for issuing and serving a subpoena must take reasonable steps to avoid imposing undue burden or expense on a person subject to the subpoena. This is a nonparty.
you served a subpoena asking for four years worth of information to be served in a very short period of time.
>> And that I don't think that's complying with either the words or the spirit of rule 45 >> and that's why your honor I I don't have a problem with that and that's why the when that issue was raised because it took there was a lot going on in the case and it took longer to serve than than probably we would have wanted it to. And so, your honor, when council raised that and said exactly what you just said, you've only given us nine days to appear and uh eight days to produce whatever whatever the specific numbers are, we said, we understand that. We will we are going to work with you on negotiating and conferring on the scope of the subpoena. And secondly, because of the time limit, we will we are going to reschedu the deposition so that we can resolve this this document production issue, including when a production would be made before the deposition so that Mr. Albert doesn't have to come back twice. So, I I'm not I'm not fighting you on that, your honor. I I agree. And when it was raised by Mr. Albert's council, they didn't get push back on that on the timing. And so, I'm not defending that. It was an oversight, I think, and I would prefer that it had been served 30 days before.
>> With all due respect, to someone that's represented by three law firms in at least 10 attorneys, it's hard to envision that it was an oversight that the deposition of a nonparty deposition subpoena doesn't go out >> until shortly before the deposition and two months after the notice of deposition.
>> Your honor, frankly, there's no basis for that. It's there's nothing intentional that has been done here. I agree with you. It should have been done sooner and and I apologize that it was not done sooner and when it was raised by council there was no push back on that and I think if you ask council they will confirm that there was not push back on the time.
>> Let's skip down to April and May. And am I correct that your office [clears throat] knew of Mr. availability and unavailability in the month of June.
>> You made aware of it >> when were you made aware of it by turning touch >> when at what point eventually on I believe May 20th the email is is an exhibit >> May 20th. So >> and May 20th just just to be clear the the explanation that we received was between now May 20th and June 2nd Mr. Albert is available. We propose I believe it was May 27th and May 28th.
After that point, Mr. Albert will be unavailable indefinitely without an explanation. Frankly, the first explanation that we received was in the was in the motion in the opposition to the motion.
>> So, yes, >> I know you call into question the manner in which Mr. ballot's deposition was noticed by the plaintiff's attorney and not arguing that. But am I correct that you had notice of that deposition?
>> Were we aware that the plaintiff's plan to proceed with their deposition? Yes.
>> Yes. And even with even if the notice may have been deficient as your reference in your pleading, you like you like to refer to it made an intentional decision not to appear without coming to the court at all.
>> So first of all, >> that's a yes or no question.
>> Well, I don't think it is a yes or no question, your honor. We were aware. We were aware and we didn't file a motion.
But again, I'd like to address why that is if you're going to raise the issue.
May I May I address that?
>> I know why you didn't because you claimed you wrote about it. Why you didn't? It's in there. I read it. Well, if you're asking about it at the hearing, I'd like to address the point.
So, what happened was we served the subpoena. As you say, we have a team of lawyers. Different lawyers are taking deositions.
The lawyer that's taking the deposition drafts, serves, and prepare the subpoena and prepares for the deposition. We did all of that. We complied with the rules with your exception about date and and timing is taken well taken and it won't happen in the future. However, otherwise the subpoena was fully compliant with the rules and the rules require us to be able to take the deposition. We didn't say it has to happen on this exact date.
What we said was we will reschedu it to another date. the the recipient of a deposition subpoena doesn't get to choose when the de deposition happens by playing games like were played here and are laid out in our papers. The Mr. Albert's council was notified in this back and forth in the emails that are attached to the motion papers that the the attorney who was prepared to take Colin Albert's deposition was going to be away on two particular days that they had proposed. that one of those days 6 days later is the one that the plaintiffs chose. So the the attorney who had prepared was not available as was told to Mr. Colin uh Mr. Albert's council. The notice as you referred to was issued in direct violation of rule 30b1. So we provided notice to all parties that we believed that that deposition could not go forward pursuant to that notice and we continue to believe that. But if the question is did we come file a motion for a protective order? No, because we don't believe we needed to.
>> Yes, sir.
>> When is Mr. Albert going to produce deposition?
Um he well he appeared for that deposition on the 28th and then he is >> um one of the things I wanted to say is I mean don't think that that judge does not notice him pandering even more to social media while he's arguing with him. Right.
um all the little digs that he's throwing in and all of the whatever. I mean, I have never seen anything like that.
>> No. And I, you know, I I I got the hearing when I was driving to work, right? So I I turn it on. I'm listening. And when Judge Gilda asked how old Colin was at that, >> literally I wanted to pull over and get out of my car and just jump up and down because I had been arguing with people for three years. He was bearer.
>> It is of no consequence.
>> A ring bearer in someone's sister's >> 100% [laughter] >> wedding. I mean FKR, do you see how stupid the judge thinks that is? Yeah.
Do you understand? Yeah.
>> The judge thinks that's insane.
>> We've been saying it for how long? Like your kid, if your kid is the right age and if there's a couple that knows you, like >> a nonparty, a nonparty in this case, >> right? And then the um you know, the implication is that he was plotting at six years old, >> right?
>> Yeah. With his right.
Uh oh, you're >> Oh, you're funny.
>> Okay, you should be better. No, I we still can't hear you.
>> No, >> how dare he say we are not pandering to social media.
>> And again, dare you.
>> Yeah, I want to point out how differently they handled Colin's deposition and Colin's discovery from the other witnesses. This was 100% on purpose. It was 100% Karen.
>> She was very excited to bring him back.
>> Yes. And she really wanted to make it look like he wasn't compliant. Explain to me, Mr. Rosenberg, why you serve this kid instead of his attorney when you knew full well that he had an attorney.
I think what they were hoping they were hoping that Colin would be like, "Oh, because you know how Karen is and she writes it and everything. Everybody's stupid except me, Karen Reed."
>> She was hoping that he would just reply to it or he would just do it. I think, you know, that's how she thinks of people.
>> Um, yeah, because you don't you don't notice that amount of discovery to a deponent [clears throat] and give them six days. six days.
>> Yeah.
>> Are you out of your >> First of all, are you out of your mind?
You're asking for correspondence with Colin Albert and Yuri Buchananic.
So you think that Colin Albert is and John O'Keefe, mind you, right?
>> And Michael Proctor. Like Colin Albert, holy God. Like what? And he had to sign a Colin Albert had to sign a blood oath as the ring bearer as lady said earlier today >> to be like, "Okay, little kid. Okay, just so you know."
>> Um, >> yeah. When I ask you to participate in a conspiracy 20 years from now, you are obligated by your service as a ringbearer to co-conspire with me. And time time does matter in regards to this, right? He was a child. He was a ring bear. He wasn't a best man. He wasn't an adult making adult decision.
>> They needed they needed a little kid.
>> Yeah.
>> A cute boy. I mean, >> they needed a cute little boy. His aunt's friend needed a cute little boy in her wedding. And that's supposed to be some tie to show how connected. It's just it's so absurd.
>> You guys are Yeah, you're It's >> It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
>> I mean, say something totally unimportant right now.
>> Sure.
[gasps] >> Um, so Rosenberg, seriously, I was like, he kind of looks like Bettero. And then I was like, he kind of looks like the DUI guy. Like he kind of looks like >> right. I'm like, he just has that same >> little guy. If you >> if you have kids or if you were a teacher, I taught third grade for a while. That's the feeling I got. Like I when I first heard this, I was like, "This is like talking to a third grader and saying, "Okay, here's why we go hang up our backpack when we come in the room." And there's just like this endless well of rage that's coming at you from this small child about thing, right? This ordinary thing. And that's how he came off. He was so defensive.
>> Yeah. I I wish that I I would have loved to have been there because I would have been like ex I He was eight. He was eight years old. I can answer >> because I mean no one, you know, he can't answer. He was eight years old.
>> And what is the believe he didn't know?
>> No, I was say what is the odds that he knew? He knew it.
>> You know how ridiculous he would have looked if he was he was eight.
>> He didn't want to see that. [laughter] Yeah.
>> He was eight. I mean, all right. So, the calling out thing absolutely ridiculous, but can we please I know all you free Karen readers uh hate watch us.
>> Do you know how long you have been saying that? I am not going to defend Michael Proctor for any of his vile and disgusting texts, but do you know how long you have all been saying that he said pin it on the girl >> and we have been saying for three years, no you morons, that's her lawyers that said pin it on the girl. So, not only did her new attorneys, they're just as unethical as Jackson, >> try to throw that into a filing like someone else, oh, we're not going to say who said it, but and they put it all out there just for you guys for the for the social media, >> right? It was for me.
>> And he had the nerve to quote the murder defendant at the times lawyer.
>> Yeah.
>> A freaking filing, pin it on the girl. I cannot believe they even have the audacity.
>> I can't.
>> That's how arrogant her team is. They think >> they can put they can and and it's not even that he quoted Alan Jackson and didn't cite it.
>> It's that he in that sentence he put they wanted it to look like it was Proctor who said it.
>> They were trying to mislead the judge.
>> They were trying >> and the judge knew it. Yeah, lead the public, which means Karen's team >> thinks you're all fools who believe her and support her. That's how they treat you. That has been made very clear. And if you're okay with that, like you're a free American. It's okay.
>> Yeah. And you're proving them you're proving them right. I'm sorry. You're proving them right. And I 100% believe that Karen knows that Peter Traos went on Megan Kelly and said that the witness said that 100%. That was not there by mistake. That was to that motion on purpose.
>> And I don't I don't think I could be wrong. Tuesday will probably know he's never corrected that. Right.
>> So someone said today. So he did >> he did kind of today.
>> Oh, what did he say? He did you listen?
>> No, he corrected his comment about the hearing. He hasn't corrected >> I did listen. He said um that it's all their fault that he was confused.
>> Oh, okay. Well, I mean, they have said he said it a million times.
>> I mean, he did he did say I've been one of those people that have been confused because they put these quotes and things and you think it's coming.
>> All right. Well, you know what? There you go. Okay. However, >> but he did say this week that he was part of Karen Reed's team and then he caught himself >> and tried to correct it and it was one of the most awkward like he was scrambling for the next word.
>> Yeah, I saw that. But I did see a little bit today. I didn't see the part Julie just talked about, but I did see he redeemed himself a little bit for me today. Um because I feel like maybe he's catching on.
I don't know.
>> Can you guys hear me? Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think sorry it keeps cutting out.
>> Um he So yeah, he streamed the trial.
Okay. So >> he is fully aware and capable of going back and looking at things and confirming things. And this is the problem with YouTubers and law tubers, >> especially when they lean in one way and they advocate and they don't correct themselves. They don't they don't see themselves as journalists but that's what they are. You are behaving as a reporter and a journalist. And so you are responsible for correcting information and we told him on social media him a million times.
I wrote a letter to Megan Kelly telling her that he gave I mean that's >> the reason why this is so infuriating is because it's not like oops it was a quote that I thought was someone else.
>> It's a quote saying that they found an investigator who literally says he's conspiring to frame Karen. That's a >> 100%.
>> Yeah.
>> 100%.
>> What's more egregious than saying I'm gonna pin it on the girl? Like what?
>> Right.
>> Right. I mean that's blatantly right there. That's saying like I'm conspiring to frame Ken Reed.
>> No, it's very damning.
>> Yes.
>> So I've got this clip. Um >> I just want to say one more thing before I move on, which another huge thing I noticed which I don't think gets enough attention is three law firms and 10 attorneys.
>> Yeah, >> that was hilarious. It was so funny. And who's that poor guy at the end? The guy >> Oh, no. I just I never saw him. paper.
>> So, I think that's the insurance company's lawyer. It might be.
>> I think his name is Tang.
>> I think it's reserved.
>> All right. And I had just one more thing to say before I move on, which is did y'all notice uh Bill Reed had an Adam Dee pin on, which is >> I did notice.
>> You are not supposed to wear political pins in court. I I don't know how that got, but >> imagine that man wearing that in court.
Like, >> and he doesn't even live there, right?
THIS IS LIKE WHAT is happening?
>> I [laughter] don't know. I mean, can you imagine like if I went to work on Monday with a Greg Conor pin?
>> No. [laughter] >> No. I mean, he literally like they are they are just like sticking this in everyone's face like we are all together. She's like at his uh head campaign his campaign quarters opening it. He's there. He's got the pin on now.
Like I mean I cannot say it enough. If that guy gets in office, you might as well elect Karen Reed as your DA of Northfor County. Well, and I told the girls this morning because there was a debate and then there was like a little schmoofest afterwards where Emily C and law girls not attorneys were like hanging out with, you know, getting selfies with um Dee and I was like I would be sectioned if my if I told my family if I was like I'm going to another state that I don't live in to get a selfie. with someone who's running for DA. I mean, how weird is that?
>> It's so weird.
>> It is very weird.
>> And I don't I mean, I don't I mean, the girl is like 14 years old. Like, you can't vote doing like go home. Go read a book.
>> It's so bizarre.
>> I I have to say, Lydia, >> like seriously, me and Lydia could never be like in a school classroom together as kids. We >> or No. No, >> we're back.
>> I had tears in my eyes.
>> I think because it's also the dude, [snorts] >> right?
>> But this comment killed me. And it was right around the time when the judge was like, "Uh, you have like 10 attorneys."
And he put his Karen's climate controlled rug one of her attorneys. And I don't know why I looked at Lydia and we were just dying. So >> yeah, we had to turn our cameras off.
>> I had to walk away.
>> 10 attorneys. So he keeps bringing up the 10 attorneys, right? Because it's patently ridiculous. He's clearly been a judge for a really long time. And from what I've heard, I don't know. I haven't researched it, but from attorneys that I've seen online, he has deep history with civil cases, right? that's his wheelhouse and he's been on the bench for a while. And for him to continually point out the inefficiency of both, you know, both cases track moving along with a person with 10 attorneys. It is noteworthy.
>> It's absurd. And and the other thing that he keeps bringing up and also that he went this hard today. This man knows.
I mean, a judge is a judge, but you're also a human being. He He knows what they are doing to Colin Albert. He's no fool. He knows what they are doing. He knows they're panderings to social media. He knows what they're trying to do to him. He knows.
>> And this is exactly what is needed, right? And that one attorney that is um Karen supporter on Twitter, Madberry, is that her name?
>> Marberry versus >> Marberry. So, she was upset that she says that he must have got his talking points or something from from the witness's side because of how >> the judge >> the judge >> Yeah. [laughter] >> because of how he called out them about the quote and about asking Colin's age and it's like >> the ring bearer >> I'm sure it was Jen McCabe. I'm sure it was Jen. Yeah, >> maybe she like was um using her powers to like talk to him from from she is magical.
>> I mean these are basic logical questions if you're reading that motion to be like how does this matter? Tell me the age.
Tell me the connection. What was he? Was he the best man? Was he the you know it's like these things matter.
>> It is the most normal question in the world. Like Canon should have been saying that. What the hell are you showing me this for? He was 8 years old.
Get this out of here.
>> They were just so used to not being called out and I'm embarrassed for them about the quote the false quote. I'm embarrassed.
>> Oh yeah, it is. It's so bad.
>> So, >> and they'll still they'll still say he said it. They'll still say it.
>> Yes. There you say Yeah. there. There will be. So, um, we are going on an hour and a half, so we're probably not gonna finish.
>> We're not going to get emotion.
>> Before we do that, I have two videos.
We've got lots of videos and lots of, um, media to show you guys, but I want to do two videos. So, the first one I'm going to do, um, and I'm going to point this out because this was a person who, um, this is a YouTuber, a law tuber who thought we got to Craig Melvin, right?
That was his opinion.
>> [laughter] >> um that that video he was like, "Oh my god, I'm sorry." Video interview, you know, like where did Craig get these questions? How could he ask her that?
>> Really?
>> And so this >> that was us.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He >> No, I think it was they thought Kate got him his questions, right?
>> Yeah. Ridiculous.
>> I wish I knew Craig Melvin. I love him.
>> Seriously, me, too. So, hold on just a second, you guys. Um, but this is his opinion about about the um subpoena request and the discovery request to Colin because apparently Martin did not do his homework. And you know what? Again, I I just have to say everybody has a everybody has jobs, everybody has whatever. If I can do this, Martin, you can do this, too. [laughter] >> So, it was very busy today. Julie, >> is this brother counsel Martin? Um yes Roger >> it sure is. So yeah court rule 9C conference relating to the objections wrote that it makes sense to take Colin Albert's deposition after documents are produced. So now what happened here? There's an objection to the documents. Now if you want to have a good deposition, if you want to have an effective deposition, you want to have a helpful deposition, you need the documents. You can't do an effective deposition if that person is hiding documents from you that you can be asking him questions about.
>> Okay. I How do I get that off? You guys, >> I'll get it off.
>> Yeah. So, did you hear what he said? He accused Colin of hiding documents. Sir, they gave him six minutes. Six minutes.
Six days to produce four years, which is outrageous that she asked for that, worth of documents. Are you out of your damn mind? He's not anything.
>> And does he not remember when Adam went on an extended live to talk about how he was given 30 days >> to get four years worth of documents together and how that was absolutely impossible. So that is acceptable.
>> So again, yeah, >> and a still has not replied. No, >> that request. And so now there's another one that I want to get to and I want to play this first because there are so many people that um for whatever reason think that this harassment is a fantasy.
We even had it, you know, with people that were Karen Reed is guilty. Remember Robera Glass is like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't see any harassment. These things are actually happening. Colin is He's What? What age is he, Carrie?
>> He's >> He's what?
>> Right.
>> I can't.
>> You're muted. You're muted.
>> 21. Sorry. 21.
>> This is a 21 year old kid. And yeah, I get it. He's 18. He's an adult. It's still a 21 year old.
>> 17 at the time, which doesn't 17 when supposedly he did this. And then what? freshman in college when y'all went after him and you're trying to tell me that these things aren't happening.
And so I'm going to play a video. This is Colin and Chris. Um this is an FKR YouTube station that that put this up that obviously um foyed it. Um Colin and Chris are in the police station. They are reporting an uh incident that happened with Colin. That is not unusual. This happens to Colin quite a bit.
Um, and they don't think that there's any cameras. So, this is dad and son >> kind of.
>> It's a hard watch.
>> It's a very hard watch. Dad and son are just kind of having a conversation. They think they're alone. Um, yeah. So, let me grab that.
And I want you guys to remember this.
Um, when people tell you that the harassment isn't happening >> and and Julie, let me let me interrupt.
I think this is um he was probably 19, right?
>> Yeah, he was young.
>> Yeah. 1920.
>> I didn't know what the [ __ ] the guy was going to do.
>> I know, Colin. I know. It's It's crazy.
>> Freaking me out. Take following me left and right. I I freaked out. I don't know what the guy was doing.
>> Time to turn off till 12.
>> Yeah. Well, you'll be out here in a minute. [ __ ] a piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] I >> mean, dude, I freaked out. I didn't know who the hell the guy was when he was standing in front of Deie. I didn't know he was recording.
>> It's weird. He went down. He went down after he was recording. He went down >> towards that way, but then he walked across the street.
>> I didn't know who he was at first, but if I saw him with like a little GoPro, I would have understood a little better.
But dude, if a guy's following me around for 15 minutes, I don't know what the hell the guy's going to do.
>> No, I don't blame you. calling for for being nervous.
I mean, we're living in crazy times.
Like, what the fact that that guy can just openly just follow you around is just bizarre.
He's probably in the parking lot videotaping our cars right now.
Your car's unlocked, too.
>> I know. My coffee's in. It's poison. My coffee.
>> Don't drink it.
>> I don't care.
to be a good public record on our audio tape and stuff and all.
>> Yeah, I know.
>> That's the only problem with you.
>> Yeah.
I don't think you should be filming now, but I don't know how that works to be honest.
>> Yeah, I just freaked out. I didn't know who the hell the guy was. I mean, like, I've never seen him before.
And dude, at first I didn't know he was recording. That's another thing. When he was in high school in that car staring at me, he was like the look on his face was like I was like, "This is no good right now."
>> Hey guys.
>> Hey. So, they they they agreed with me.
It's not stocking yet.
>> Yeah.
>> And here is I printed it out for you.
And uh don't ever feel like you're troubling us or anything like that. if you feel unsafe, we'll always come out, you know, make sure you're all right.
Um, take a report from from you because if you guys want to go ahead, I'm I'm going to swing around just so we can all read this together.
>> Yeah. So, that's how they live.
>> Yes. Every >> day. Every single day. And um I'm just going to interrupt for a minute because I just pulled these up as we were talking. So, I don't know if you can hear the anxiety in that kid's voice.
>> I can hear it.
>> Can you hear it? Uh, and >> hear it in Kellen and Chris's voice. I can hear.
>> Yeah. And this is what And um I live here and and I know these people really well. Everyone on the panel knows them, but I I see this this happens to them.
Jen McCabe, her daughters, >> uh Brian Albert, Col, all of them.
>> Yeah.
>> Every single day. Every single day. I've been with Jen McCabe when this has happened to her.
>> Yeah.
>> And if you think, "Oh, it's so funny he's going down there because the guy's there's a there was a guy following him with a GoPro on his head."
>> No, he didn't have the GoPro. He was just following him and Colin had said if he had a GoPro, >> maybe then I would have been like, "Okay, he's just filming me."
>> Yes. So, he's just following him and filming him and and and he can do that.
This is America apparently, which is bizarre to me, but whatever. But these are the kind of posts that are made that they also have to live with, right?
Chrissy and Colon, you should be scared.
It will hit you when you don't expect it. I know how this works. Your days are numbered. Time to move all you [ __ ] out of Canton one by one. And time to turn your badge in, Kevin. You piece of [ __ ] We will never rest. And that goes for all of you.
>> Who was that? with it. Was that >> Richard? That was Richard Schiffer, the correct guy.
>> And Colin isn't getting away with it.
Trust me, it's a matter of when. I have no facts, but I have no fact facts, but the buzz is he's a marked man and not by law enforcement. So, these and these are just two >> are what that kid lives with. And then he has you lunatics following him and he has to worry that one of you is going to kill him.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's what you just heard there.
>> Yeah.
>> And you can see that he's like he has that instinct. He's trusting his instinct that something is very much not right >> when he sees that guy. And that like stress level is so hard on you when you're just like constantly in fear. And >> this is a lot like what it's like to >> I mean I think everybody can empathize with you know if if Colin were female like that level of fear about all the people around you. Yeah.
>> That is what that feels like. and he was just a kid. Yeah.
>> And there are these >> I think any person at any age would feel terrified. But I will say anyone who's had a grown child like an adult child where they've exited the teen years or exiting and they're entering into this young adulthood that is still a child.
They are like >> and you all know you all know that free Karen Reed what Tuesday is saying right now. Like you all sit around saying they're adults and whatever. You all have kids. You know they're not You know they're not adults and you know they're kids. So stop their parents are >> like a baby bird leaving its nest. It's like they're trying to fly for the first time.
>> It is one of the highest depression age brackets because it's the age where mental health will pick up issues pick up anxiety depression. It is a lot of >> the highest suicide rate for >> young adults is that age >> and you guys are targeting him over speculations when a federal investigation came to a con close with zero indications of any conspiring and then Karen's team has the audacity to put fake pin it on the girl quote in their motion to mislead you guys. All of you. All of you. All of us.
all of you. And if you don't doublech checkck your sources and ask questions and look at things from different angles, you are the fool in this that they want you to be the fool. You to hunt down these these people >> and you're doing it. You're doing it for >> you're doing it. I I was >> I was with Jen McCabe once. Uh we were having lunch and her daughter we were at her house and her daughter came home. um her oldest daughter and she had been followed in her car, followed uh someone pulled up next to her, looked over. Of course, they all know their cars, right?
For some bizarre reason, they all know the cars that they all drive >> and literally followed her tailgate, you know, right on her um ass of her car, wrote. She came in. I have never seen someone shaking like that. This is what I think she was 20 at the time. I don't know, maybe 21.
Th what are you doing to these two kids?
Like what >> what is wrong? Like you how do how do you guys look in the mirror?
>> And this is why this is why Aiden is in serious like I would be [laughter] digging in my boots if I was him because you incited this.
>> You told people >> amazing point.
>> Yes. I mean they are living. This is their new normal and you proclaim that this is how they would live. This is how you wanted them to live.
>> You won't be able to leave your house.
>> Everyone will know Colin Albert's name.
This is them. Yep.
>> And watch the Alex Jones trial. Watch when one of these unhinged people approached one of the victims in this case and and was later arrested like completely deranged individual because that is who is inspired by this type of incitement is completely deranged individual.
>> And imagine if that was your daughter or your son. It's >> and all all of these things they're doing is just this is all going to come in in the case, right? Like all of these things like Tuesday said, this is all going to come in. All of you people >> attacking, you know, this amazing fundraiser we're having tomorrow uh tomorrow night.
>> Um this is all part of the case, right?
that that he incited all of this that they can't even have >> a supportive um gathering because of what he has incited. So congratulations.
>> Yeah, >> you've congratulations to incite this idea that it's a um a white supremist rally or something.
And this is another >> I don't know I don't know where I don't know what that's even I don't even know what he's talking about when >> the well simply because the event's on Junth, right? He he always needs to attach a narrative to things to try and twist things around. But here's the deal. Obviously, Proctor has racist text messages that we recently heard, right, in his phone that were extracted or in his iCloud or whatever that has been in the headlines, right? These texts are not a part of Karen. Karen's name is not attached to them. These are racist texts that go far back. They're egregious. They're vile.
Right? But with that said, if we look at the OJ Simpson case, right, we had an investigator who also had a racist quotes that were brought up, right?
If the family, the victims and witnesses of the victims, the family and friends of the victims were to have a fundraiser for their civil lawsuit.
>> That does not attach them to the investigator who had racist comments.
>> And that connection's probably more more egregious, right? Because the defendant was a black man, right? Um, but that is what they're trying to do. They are trying to attach Proctor to the witnesses and that's just not a thing.
Proctor is not attached to this fundraiser whatsoever. So, >> you're not you guys are not ever going to be able to attach Michael Proctctor to people who have never met him before.
>> That's that's >> So, go right ahead and try.
>> They've never met him.
>> Yeah. So, there's two points about that video that I want to make. Um, as far as Karen put it in her the um the filings we were supposed to go over um that he was a violent that he had violent tendencies and Aiden Carney has repeated over and over again that he's a violent hotad. If Colin was a violent hothead and someone was following him around, he would have [ __ ] him. He would have punched him right in the face. So that just blows that that whole >> um fantasy that they have. And the other point of that video is if the Alberts had Canton Police Department in their back pocket, >> they would have sent 20 cops after that guy. That is not what happened.
>> They didn't do anything. They sent them away and told them to keep coming back.
Keep coming back so we can keep sending you away after.
>> Exactly. So the reality is these people are living in hell.
>> The things that you guys are saying are not >> great point. Great point.
>> And um Yeah. Yeah. And it was right there on video. So >> how are you going to deny it? How are you going to deny it? Chris and Colin did not even know they were being filmed at that point.
>> You could hear it in the video. They were like they thought that he had left with the cameras. So they were talking freely. They had no idea. And then when the police officer came back, he was like, "It's not stalking yet." So all of these fantasies that Karen has constructed and that you guys keep repeating, they're that they're fantasies. It's a lie. It's an absolute lie.
>> Yep. And and like Julie just said, he's a he's a hotthead because of two videos um that [clears throat] Karen Green got from Tom Bey when he was a teen uh when Colin was a teenager against rival sports teams.
>> It's ridiculous. Carrie, I mean, boys wrestle, boys do stuff. I saw those videos. Those were not real fights, you guys. I mean, I was I was telling you guys earlier today about like the fights my husband got in when he was in college. Those [laughter] were not fights. I'm telling you right now, what you saw in those videos, that was just sparring, right? It was just >> one of them, one of them, one of them was his friend.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh the other one, the Advantage boys video that they're obsessed with. It's it's on hockey team. Like I think it was who said it was it Tuesday who said there's Adele singing in the background.
That's the best part.
>> There's Adele in the background. I mean, come on. I'm a girl and I'm I am glad that there was not social media around to hear the things that I said about our rival football team because they were not >> classy or polite.
>> And Julie and I have boys who have been on >> football teams their entire lives. So >> when I when I see those videos and they are talking like that, I'm literally ridiculous. But yet we have yet we have like 10 audio clips of Karen screaming things like >> you [ __ ] pervert. You I mean screaming these things, but those are supposed to be totally normal.
>> Yeah, that's a loving relationship.
>> I do want to say real quickly >> regarding emotional harm. So, I know Aiden kind of mocks this idea of emotional harm as part of a witness intimidation um statute in Massachusetts. When you listen to that recording of Colin and Chris and you hear Chris even say, "My coffee is in my car. My door is unlocked.
>> Someone may have po, you know, they're probably going to poison my coffee. I don't even care." That is emotional harm. What emotional harm is is they are automatically living in a state of fear >> and paranoia of the harm that is c that people are going to do to them. That is what it is. If that's a joke to you, then you clearly do not understand how bad emotional harm can be on people and how it PTSD really a lot of times.
>> PTSD. It's like cortisol level midnight.
But please do never do not ever say to me that it's not happening. Do not ever say that to me.
>> Yes. Yes. Do not I mean do >> no. Just >> apparently Emily Baker that lawyer someone had said that she spoke today. I wonder if someone put it in there >> that in one of our comments >> she doesn't think Colin was really harassed or >> Yeah. Well, Emily. Emily, dear, you haven't looked hard enough because it's real easy to [ __ ] find. Excuse me.
>> She's just She's friends with Alan Jackson. She's another piece of [ __ ] Law.
>> Yes, she is.
>> Who? Yeah. Spends her time just, you know, pandering to Alan Jackson. And >> wait till tired of you. That's all I'll say.
>> Well, I'm tired of the narrative that these things aren't happening. I'm tired of these people um trying to make light of this. It's happening. It's horrible.
No one should live like this.
>> It is It is compliments of Aiden Carney and Karen Reed. And it can never happen again. We cannot have this happen again.
>> And this poor kid. And and then he tries to join the army like go, you know, get on with his life.
>> Get out of here. dragged into something that is not any of his fault and then he still gets, you know, the back. And someone said, "Well, why is he on social media looking at it?" Do you not realize like he has a family? Like he has a mom and a dad and he has friends stuff like they're just as affected as he is. So please just just stop it. I just admit it. Just real >> bragging about how everybody loves her.
She can go down to Newberry Street% walk around >> and then her fans complain that the anchors asked her the wrong kind of questions.
>> Yeah, she didn't get the right questions. Poor >> Carrie.
>> She's the victim of Today's Show.
>> She's not worried somebody's poisoning her coffee.
>> No, no, >> and and nobody and and that's the thing too, right? The other thing which is so crazy like all of these things that have been done to all these people, you would never see that right on this side. Like I don't care what anybody says. I will argue that till the day is long. I mean if I was going to spend my time um trying to ruin one a Karen Reed fundraiser. I mean put me in a mental institution.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> 100%.
>> Yeah. I mean, they have been really targeted and attacked this week. I I want to go back next week to those filings. Um, and go back to what some of these really disgusting people said.
>> Yeah.
>> About Ally and Colin. Um, >> especially you, Melanie Little.
>> Yeah. Melanie Little has >> Melanie Little.
>> Yeah. Um, >> can we end on a funny note that I know >> Actually, can I just put one more thing up, you guys? I pulled this out. Um, it's Father's Day weekend and I just wanted to end on this one.
>> A >> Isn't that a sweet picture?
>> That is sweet.
>> That's a great picture.
>> Yeah.
>> Is um real quickly, we did have that one question. We put a star on. Is she even here anymore in the chat?
>> They said she left.
We can still address it. We can address it. Maybe she'll come back and >> what what is it? The ARC one.
>> The one. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, you guys want to take that one?
>> What was the question?
>> Let me put it up on the screen.
>> Oops. Sorry. We were doing it wrong time. [laughter] >> Was she mad in the chat? Is that why she left?
>> No, she didn't. I mean, I don't think so. I think she just left. I didn't see anything. Is she on Twitter? I feel like that name is familiar. Lil Miss Peachy.
>> No, I think it Peachy Keen.
>> I No, it's not Peachy Keen. I I have dealt with these people for the past three years.
>> Um, this is probably somebody who made a new account today to kind of troll us.
But let's go ahead and answer it for this person who spent their time making this account. [laughter] >> Okay. So respectfully and with genuine curiosity and I will thank you for writing this kindly. What do you ladies think about ARCA? Why do you not trust their conclusions? I don't know if we want to go around and and whatever, but I will say I have many concerns with ARCA. Um, one of them being that they were the defense was found in violation uh with them with the court, >> right, >> during trial twice for communications that were deleted. Um, one of them being Dr. Wolf, Daniel Wolf had even offered to not say something for Alan Jackson while under testimony.
um they went to Signal and were using communications secretly and this and meanwhile Karen's team was boasting to the media about how these independent experts that they have nothing to do with >> are you know are exonerating her with this you know ARCA evidence. And I will say, not only was there the, you know, misleading with the payment. I mean, there's a lot of misleading, right, that we found out about and a lot of hiding.
But on the side of that, there's two things they didn't do. One of which is Karen's Karen's entire defense is hindering on the fact that she says she broke her tail light off of Jon's traverse that morning.
Arca never measured those vehicles to show that that's exactly how Karen damaged her tail light. The Commonwealth expert, Dr. Welchure, is the one who did it. He used digital math. He went there physically with vehicles. He did it all.
It is physically impossible for Karen to have damaged her tail light. the bumpers, the way the bumpers were, it's just physically impossible.
So, they went out of their way to not do the things that needed to be done. The other thing they went out of their way to do was to avoid the text stream data.
They did not go near that textream data that tells us exactly what Karen did um in their testing. Oh, yeah. here.
Fare can't explain the rescue Randy experiment. Yeah, >> their testing was all over the place.
They did not use a neutral weight for each of their different tests regarding the dummy doll and the arm and all that.
It was very curated in their testing.
One video went missing. Um, so on top of that, we also have video footage of the other ARCA dude, Wrenchler, um, at the talking with the defense attorney's father right after he testified at a party where he says he had a ham sandwich.
This was after trial. This was in during trial one. Um, and Dr. Wolf's wife also joined the FK FKR page. There's just so many elements, right, that make you say, "Hold on a minute."
>> Like, >> I'll let you. Sorry. Sorry.
>> Oh, no. I was just going to say I have a video where I line up Allan Jackson, Trooper Paul's testimony, and the rescue Randy video from ARCA.
And they line up perfectly with Trooper Paul's testimony. And the you can search it on Twitter. I say Trooper Paul is owed an apology because what they were saying was so very different from what their own video showed. Their own video showed exactly what happened to John.
Even though they tried to put their finger on the scale by changing the weight of the arm that they use, using the different dummies, they tried so hard to get it to not look like what exactly happened to John. and they failed because it's in the video and the video [clears throat] exactly lines up with Trooper Paul's testimony and you can see that in the video. So just go look go click on my highlights look for trooper Paul you'll you'll see it there they're fraud >> also I could go on forever but also Dr. Wrenchler I know maybe Julie you can mention the X-ray with Dr. Wrenchler when >> he had made the assertion that he ruled out any soft tissue damage from John's injuries and what we know from X-rays is that is not the proper use to look for soft tissue damage. He would use an MRI machine >> which everyone in real life knows.
Anyone who's ever had an injury, >> we all know that >> he made that statement on direct and then on cross, Hank Brennan had him contest to the fact that no, you can't rule that out. We can't rule out soft tissue damage. It's it's not possible. So, he was misleading.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I mean, I I just um you know, for me, for ARCA, I go back to and Mark Bedto keeps going on shows and keeps repeating it that the DA should have dropped the case as soon as he got the ARCA report in the first trial. [laughter] And and again, Mr. Better and to all of you people that are like that think Arca is gods because of the first trial.
>> They did not test the Commonwealth theory. There would be no reason for the Commonwealth to drop their case because what ARCA tested had nothing to do with their theory.
>> Um but it's one of those things like they keep repeating it and the more they repeat it they think it >> I guess it's true for all of those people. Um, when we come back to these um, filings next week, I want to play the Karen video where she's in the Ted Daniels interview and she's like, "It all came from the Canton Rumor Bill and then it just became true." And that is exactly what happened. These were all rumors >> and just because people kept repeating it and repeating it and repeating it, then it became truth and >> just like I mean John O'Keefe was not hit by a car. They just keep repeating it and that's all the mob says. It's just repeat, repeat, repeat.
>> This is like a fable, right? When you're like a little kid and you >> I just want to say one thing if um if little Peachy is here because my question to her would be why don't you believe Dr. Jud Welchure, >> right?
>> You know, she's asking us why we don't believe. Why don't you believe the person who actually went by the text stream data and did all >> and explain the physics of being clipped versus I mean he did the math and in the science of it.
>> So >> and why don't you believe rescue Randy?
>> You know that would be my answer.
>> Your eyes the eyeballs.
>> Your eyes. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Before we go, I do want to I do want to point out something funny that happened today. So, Carrie was using voice to text and she has a very strong accent. I know she thinks she doesn't have an accent, but so it misinterpreted what she said because of her accent. And so, she was like, "Oh my god, that's not what I said. My voice to text doesn't understand it." And I noticed in that video of Colin and Chris that when >> they said >> Oh my god. I know. It's like the uh their voice detects can't even understand us.
>> I seriously for a second I was like do they own cows? I didn't realize cows.
>> Yeah. I mean that that was a really difficult video for me.
>> It was.
>> That was a that's a hard watch. That's a hard watch.
>> Yeah. I found it just I was looking for something. I I wasn't even searching for that and I found that video and I was in my office at work at lunch and I listened to it and it's much longer than that.
>> Um, and so by the time it's done like you're crying because it's like I cannot believe >> that these people have to live like this. This is this is horrible. And I found it, you know, the week is all of this stuff is happening and this this poor young man is just trying to start his life and you lunatics, >> you absolute frigin.
>> Yeah. You're just you're freaking lunatics.
>> Yeah.
>> You're lunatics.
>> It's just like, how do you feel when you know you've caused that feeling in a father and his child?
>> I think they I think they get off on it.
I think they like I don't know what >> I don't know what happened to these people how they ended up I I I don't know like I don't know if they were were like this three years ago or this case did like I I don't know I don't understand. I really do think I'm not going to give everyone this type of credit, but I really do think it is easy to trust sources online, especially ones that use their legal degree as some form of authority or dare I say counseling degree. and they use their degrees to be to show kind of this proof of expertise and then they abuse people online and um and we can easily fall for media manipulation. We all are vulnerable to it and we all it's just another reminder that we need to always be questioning even question us right we like this is why we bring the paperwork this is why we bring especially find us on Twitter um truth what is truth's handle um >> I think that's a good point but I think the the more thing I was saying was like the the you know the messages about you know people having um not having a lot of time left and and things like that, >> right?
>> That's not from any, you know, content creator or whatever. That's from like like how did these people become this?
>> Because they're consuming they're consuming this stuff.
>> How did they become this? Like how how do you think it's okay to buy these people's Yeah, it's it's crazy.
>> But they're all responsible, right? So if you put that garbage out there and then you create a Richard Schiffer, >> you are responsible. No, you're right.
You're right.
>> You are responsible for that.
>> Right.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. And just feeding into that like that dark online spiral that people get caught up in is it's bad news.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So next week we're going to um >> we're gonna actually do our show.
>> Are we gonna do our show? So, we have a we have a special um present for Aiden Carney.
And so, we're going to do that show.
We're gonna we're gonna >> Yeah. We're going to talk about the um the witness harassment next week.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we we've got to finish this. We've got to do that witness harassment show. And we also have to before we have the the July 14th hearing in the federal case, the motion to dismiss the antics lab. We've got to get back to that as well. So, we got a lot you guys. It's >> I know. I think we have like three backlogged >> Can I um can I just end on just about uh tomorrow night?
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Um so, we have our fundraiser tomorrow night and I'm hoping a lot of people that are listening are probably coming.
We're so excited.
>> Um we are just expecting such a great time.
Um >> we're we're really excited. I know you guys have seen uh John Camo is very excited.
>> He's um you know he's got a clicker.
>> He's gonna get a clicker. Yeah. I mean I can just tell him how I mean we sold the tickets so if he wants to know how many people he you know I can certainly message him and let him know. Um I don't know if he thinks that's like a like what kind [laughter] um what kind of you know like um what what that means to him. Like he's gonna he's clicking how many people show up.
like he thinks we care.
>> It's bizarre.
>> I don't care if 20 people show up or 200. I I just care that people are there to support. So I don't >> It's a Friday night. So what >> And like the people already bought their tickets, Sean. So they've shown their support. Like I don't care who. It's just the the strangest thing I've ever encountered is this man's obsession with first of all with these two kids.
>> Obsession.
>> Oh my god. And it's like >> and then this fundraiser. I mean Karen Reed, I think she's had what you guys >> 150 fundraisers in the past three years.
Have you even given any thought to ever caring about >> how many people went where it was? Could you go look at it? Could I don't >> I can't even imagine. I do just want to say before we end, I wanted to just thank a few people um and they know why um just before tomorrow night and I don't I'm not going to say last names or anything so I hope they know who they are but uh Patty Jenny Corey Earl Tulu Debeck Lisa L you are unbelievable uh Ken and April you are also unbelievable. Um, I just wanted to to thank those uh few just because they are they've just been very um uh gracious with um help for the fundraiser. Um so I just want to say thank you to those people. A little shout out.
>> Yeah. And uh we're really excited and then um we can tell you all about it.
next week's show that we're doing, Kate's gonna um come on with us and uh because we want to talk about the harassment and >> yeah, >> you know, the intent and all that. So then her and I can um maybe just talk a little bit about it at the beginning and let everyone know how it went.
>> And I am actually I have a special folder um because I know Aiden is so concerned about intent, >> but I have I have a surprise for him.
>> Oh, that's gonna be a special surprise.
So, >> that's gonna be fun. Yeah, we already have it on our forensic room page on Twitter. Um the show >> um I forget what it's called, but I think it's called >> non >> non intent or something. I'm trying to find it.
>> It's gonna be it's gonna be fun.
>> Yeah, it it's going to be a lot of fun.
And then we will get back to these court documents. Um I really do want to go over the accusations, Karen's accusations against Colin that are completely unfounded.
I think Tuxberry's filing was amazing. I love the way it was written. I love the things that he said. So, I'd like to get to those, too.
>> So, can Are we gonna read both of those?
>> Yes.
>> Oh, great. Great.
>> That's what we were supposed to do.
>> Yeah. And then we That's We've got media to go along with it so you guys can see the harassment and you can see, you know, we can um debunk all of Karen's ridiculousness.
>> All right. Well, maybe we can all talk and um maybe we can add a show or something to do that. We'll all maybe talk and >> we can figure something.
>> Yeah, maybe everyone's around one day.
>> Yeah, sounds good.
>> So, happy Father's Day to all the dads.
>> Happy Father's Day.
>> Yeah, there's Brian, Chris.
>> Chris, >> um >> Matt, >> Matt, Matt, Matt, >> um Mr. O'Keefe. Mr. O'Keefe.
>> Yes, Mr. O'Keefe.
>> I'm trying to think of Paul as a dad.
Paul. Yeah.
>> John Jackson. Brendan Kane.
>> Yes.
>> Come on, guys. Help me. There's so many.
>> Not Carl. Ken. Ken.
>> Ken. Yeah. Carl.
>> So many dads. You guys, we were probably gonna forget so many of them.
>> Oh, and Oh, yeah. Never mind.
>> Who?
>> I'm not gonna say. [laughter] >> Say it.
>> I'm not going to say.
>> Yeah. Um, but we um we appreciate all you guys. We wish you all the best. Yes.
>> Yeah. Lots of prayers for you guys. Lots of good energy.
>> All right, you guys. Thank you guys so much.
>> Thank you, guys.
>> Have a good night.
>> Good night.
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