When a municipality incorporates as a city, it may face significant property tax increases due to miscalculated revenue projections during the feasibility study process. In the case of Ogden Valley City, Utah, residents were informed of a potential 519% increase in the city's portion of property taxes, which would raise taxes from approximately $58.79 to $364.22 for a median-priced home of $672,000. This demonstrates how municipal incorporation can create unexpected financial burdens for residents when revenue projections prove inaccurate.
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The allnew Inside Sources. side sources, your inside access to the people and policies shaping Utah's future. Here are Greg Scortis and Holly Richardson on KSL News Radio. Well, this is not the way those of us that live in the new Ogden Valley City wanted to start the week, Holly, but we're learning that there's a potential of 500% in uh property tax increase. Uh as you recall, the city was formed uh last year. There was a there was a vote by the residents of uh Huntsville, Eden, and Liberty up in the Ogden Valley, which is just east of of Ogden City by Pine View Reservoir, to incorporate that valley into what's now being called Ogden Valley City. Uh the city officials there have told us that they may have to increase our city's portion of the property taxes by 519%.
>> Yow, a lot. Look, so um I think you might be justified in saying I told you so.
>> Yeah. Well, and I was so I told my my wife and her friends were all behind this. They were pushing it. This is great. We can get we can get free of the of the county's restrictions. We can have our own sort of our own destiny.
We'll be a city and we can face what we want to do. And I said, "Don't do it.
We're just duplicating services. It's going to cost more money. The countyy's doing a great job." Anyway, it's neither here nor there. But I did tell my wife I told you so this morning. I I thoroughly enjoyed that.
>> Um, okay. Look, I just But I do have some questions and I think a lot of people probably have questions as well.
So, how how it feels like they were taken s by surprise by this?
>> Yeah.
>> How could they be taken by surprise by this?
>> I'll tell you how. And and I'm not blaming anyone, but when a city for wants to form a when a municipality wants to form a city and become incorporated, they go through the lieutenant governors for what's called a um you know, a a process, you know, anticipated revenue sources. And so the the lieutenant governor did did that and said that if you incorporate um you will likely have a 5% budget surplus. So they did an incorporation fees. It's called a feasibility study. That's I was trying to think of the word. So to incorporate, you have a feasibility study done by the state. Feasibility study came back and said, "Boy, you you know, you're doing really well up there. You will have a 5% budget surplus." Instead, they had a $2.2 million budget deficit. So they >> So where's the disconnect?
>> That's that I I think that they miscalculated. I think the lieutenant governors mis miscalculated and I I don't blame anyone in particular uh what the property values were up there and what what they were going to get. Um they they said that the property tax increase would not um be necessary. Of course, now it is. So it it's hard to say and and I don't know that I want to blame anyone or there's really blame to be had, but the people in Ogden Valley are concerned about what Lieutenant Governor's office did and saying, you know, you you miscalculated this.
Lieutenant Governor's office, I think, indicated that they had some bad information provided by the area that they used to rely on this. But so it it's not it's not a 500% acrosstheboard property tax increase. It's a 500% portion that is set aside for the city.
So for example, last year if you had a median price home of let's say I think the median price in that area is uh $672,000.
Okay, >> your property taxes last year would have been $58.79. $58.79 for the city's portion. Next year it will be $364.22.
So it it increased by fivefold. Now if you have a house that's worth more than that, I'm looking at let's say a million dollar house or $2 million house, which there are many of those, your property taxes will go from just the city's portion of the property taxes will go from about $180 to $1,100. So, it's a huge increase depending on the value of the house.
>> So, um we we had a texture earlier when you came in and teased this and said, is this part of does it include county taxes or the parts that's set aside for the state? And you're saying that it's not. It really is just the city portion.
So, it's not that your total tax bill is going to increase by five times.
>> No, no, not at all. Not at all. So the tax your your your tax bill was, you know, several thousand dollars and it'll go up by a significant amount, but not by five times.
>> It's it's five times one portion of that. So the other thing too about the story that stood out to me is that they can't actually raise the taxes. Um, and do you want to tell me why they can't do that?
>> So what happened was this. Um they the city was supposed to have had their their paperwork together uh in they in January uh to form the city and and create a budget. They didn't have it done in time. So they can't legally increase taxes until next year. Well, they don't have till next year. So they have to have a special session of the Utah legislature and see if they can get an exemption from the Utah lawmakers to do that. Um, and which will probably happen because the Utah legislature does have special sessions periodically. It's not like I don't think the govern >> they don't have anything scheduled yet, but yeah.
>> And they probably won't just for this. I can't imagine that they would. I mean, maybe they will. Uh, but they Yeah, the city officials I mean this was a brand new city. I mean, it's been like watching, you know, something that I've never seen before, like the creation of a city. Not that it doesn't happen. You know, some of us were against it, some people were for it. my wife and I had we canceled each other's votes out so to speak. Um and so it's been interesting to see how it formed. The the new city officers are great. I think that they were all very good people. They just completely miscalculated how much money was going to be brought in on the under the current tax schedule as it relates to funding the city. So what happens is you you have services >> Yeah. that the city has and that the county was doing historically and for whatever reason it just it's going to cost a lot more to do it in in the city's perspective than it would have been for the county.
>> So, so if they if they don't get permission from the legislature, they'll just have to wait until the next budget year. Is that right?
>> They'll have a huge shortfall, $2.2 million because >> one fiscal year.
>> Yeah. Under Utah law, a city cannot file bankruptcy. You can't file a bankruptcy. So you you just have a huge shortfall of $2.2 million and then the next year they'll have to have an even bigger increase to make up the shortfall. So nobody wants to do that.
They want to collect the money. They want to make sure this can get done. I I think it will all work out. I mean it's easy for me to say because >> I think what I feel bad for that there's a lot of senior people in that area that lived on a fixed income and so a hike even if it's only $300 or $400 a year is going to be significant. And then we're also hearing that they want to impose a transportation utility fee of 20 to $25 a month for road maintenance. So there's going to be another $300 a year in addition to the other $1,000 a year that you'll pay in taxes. So it's a it's a hit for a lot of the people up there.
Certainly it's an affluent area. People are doing well. The house house values have increased just off the charts up there.
>> You know, it's a it's it's a pretty area. It's a, you know, three surrounded by three ski resorts and a reservoir.
>> But yeah, the some somebody miscalculated and doesn't matter who that we just have to figure out how.
>> Do you do you think that the the miscalculation came about maybe because the snow pack was so bad and the ski resorts didn't bring in as much or is that just too current and you're work work working off the last fiscal year?
>> Yeah, that's a good question. I don't see any thing that that confirms that. I don't know what the miscalculation was about. It seems like somebody didn't understand uh what property values of what they were paying toward the the county was. So, I don't know how this happened. It it'll be interesting to find out.
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>> And if you recall, he made some comments at a recent news conference. He's now apologizing or at least backing off of those a little bit. He was really impatient with the people who were opposing this and this kind of development. He said that these people were destroying our country >> and and that's, you know, we talked about that on the show. It was so surprising to come from the governor, especially when he's been talking so much about disagreeing better. But I will say that when he he posted on X, formerly Twitter, um this long series of here's what we're doing and here's how we're addressing their concerns, people's concerns. And so one of the things I think is positive is that the governor said, "Look, there are real concerns. These are real Utons with real concerns. So let's talk about them."
>> Yeah. And I think to reset what happened was and I think most of our listeners are probably up to speed on this, but the the data center had a hearing before the the Boxer County Commission. They approved or at least they moved it on.
They had a resolution that hey, we can move move this project forward. And the governor came out in in a way that I think surprised a lot of people and said, "Hey, you know, we need to these projects are good for the state. They're good for the people. The red tape is is a problem. people who are standing in the way of this are not concerned about our country. They're in fact they're destroying our country. We need to move this forward. And I think if people were just like taken aback going, well, wait a minute, you know, yeah, we still should do feasibility studies. We should still do environmental studies. There's things that should happen. And he was having none of it. It surprised me and it surprised a lot of Utons. I think he's probably now rethinking his position saying, "Well, uh, at least in terms of the Great Salt Lake and the greater area up there, because it is a huge tract of land, 40,000 acres, right?
>> Maybe we should take a breath and and take a look at the project again." I I think I I think one of the things to note, right, is that we've talked about this before too, that maybe they were surprised by the public backlash, but one of in fact, I would say this, the Salt Lake Tribune did an editorial, their editorial board said the biggest problem with this is now the lack of trust, right? It's people aren't even saying this is a terrible idea. We shouldn't do this. Although some people are, right? But some people are saying, "Look, this process has been really rushed. It feels rushed. It feels confusing. There have been mixed messages. I mean, it's Kevin Olri, I think, the Shark Tank guy is like, "Well, we're going to use renewables."
But the pitch was we're using 100% natural gas. And so, well, what is it, right? Because not even that is clear.
So, so let me say this. So, when the governor was posting this weekend on um on X, he said the the first thing he started with was the project size, right? So he says the project developers agreed to focus all approval requests for the project in a phased approach with the first phase not to exceed 1.5 gawatt. So remember we talked about it was going to produce and consume up to 9 gawatt which is more than twice what the state currently uses.
>> Yeah for the entire state.
>> Yeah project size in terms of the energy um not the land use I guess is what he means but this is going to take so much energy right. You said the first phase would not exceed 1.5 gawatt which is still a significant amount. I think we decided that the entire state uses like four. Yeah.
>> So that's a third of the entire state's in the first phase.
>> Yeah. In the first phase which could what >> go up six times.
>> So anyway to start there right instead of saying okay we're aiming towards this big 9 gawatt. We're going to start with 1.5 and then each future project um approval would have to be contingent on meeting clear metrics. So the next one is air, of course. And the governor said, "In accordance with state law, I'm directing the Utah Department of Environmental Quality to review all air permits to ensure project impacts are limited and our airhed is protected."
>> So what we learned from this is that it would create put carbon in the air equal to 50% of the total state's carbon output. It would increase that's a lot.
>> It would increase our state's pollution.
let's use the right word here, by by 50%. I mean, that's that's a huge footprint, a huge increase. And I and I think that that surprised a lot of people because with so many renewable energy resources available >> and so many that don't pollute, it was odd that this one was going to be all based on natural gas because there's a pipeline there and they can they can hook right into it. So, it seemed from a cost benefit analysis that that made the most sense. But from an air quality and uh you know just what they're going to put into the system, it seems like let's take a second look at this.
>> There's there are a number of reports recently and maybe they're only tangentially related, but how the air quality, the pollution in Utah has led to health impacts, right? Negative health impacts. And so, of course, I think that's part of the equation as well.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. land.
>> Yeah. So, 40,000 acres to start with, but now they're backing off of that a little bit, it seems like, too. There's >> Well, it's not to start with, but that was the that's the the amount of land purchased, >> right? Right. Right. But now they're saying this initial phase will be fewer than 2,000 acres >> for the data center.
>> Yeah.
>> So, >> Oh, I see. Right. Yes.
>> Right. So, we have 40,000 acres overall.
And remember that we learned just I I think along with everybody else that they're talking about in the future being able to have housing and retail and those types of things on those 40,000 acres. It's not going to be a 40,000 acre building. It never was going to be that.
>> No, but it's not going to be a 2,000 acre building, right?
>> But but but they're saying the initial permit phase will be for fewer than 2,000 acres and that's the one and that the data center will be built on, >> right? Um so then it will go up from there seemingly and they said that the developer has agreed to ensure that multi-use activities such as grazing, open space, other things with that like that will be factored into the development plan. And and I when we interviewed Lee Perry, the county commissioner, he said, "Look, this is 40,000 acres, but you can't no building's going to occupy that much space, >> right?"
>> Um it will be uh then you'll you'll have other things out there. Right now it's grazing. It's kind of open land. It's not really improved at all. So, it's not like they're, you know, tearing something down, but there are some potential Native American sites there apparently. I haven't seen that for sure. And there's some grazing that goes on. Some of that will continue. There might be some other things that are developed there in the land like uh retail and and so that when people come off the freeway there, it's it's north of Snowville, I think, uh in Boxiller County, they'll they'll have something there other than just drive to the data center. They'll have some resources there. Well, and it makes sense that you need to have something to support the workers. They they anticipate 2,000 full-time employees once this is built.
Um, and so they'll need a place to live and shop and send their kids to school, etc. >> Right.
>> Okay. So, he also talked about energy and I I just said, right, there's mis messages between, hey, we're going to do 100% natural gas and now u both uh Kevin Olirri, but the governor is also saying we want to do renewable energies. We want to be able to do energy storage, nuclear, which I'm surprised I hadn't heard a lot about before because nuclear has been on the table in Utah for a while. So, so that that energy is another key component of course.
>> Yeah. And then they say uh you know other renewable sources are available such as solar farms, but those require larger footprint. Well, they've got a pretty pretty big footprint. They got 40,000 acres. You could put 10 acres of of solar panels up there. I think you could p power just about anything. And then taxes, right? So there was an agreement to lower the tax rate for this uh big data center >> significantly.
>> Yep. But he also says that he supports this is the governor supports the interlocal agreement between Maida, that's the military installation thing, >> right?
>> And Boxelder County. and then saying, "I support boxelder county leaders utilizing the increased tax revenue to invest in local schools, which they will need, and municipal services, which they will need, and lower property taxes for Boxelder County residents."
>> Right. And he talked about power. Of course, we mentioned this a little bit, but he says, "I'm directing the Utah Public Service Commission to stand by the requirements of Senate Bill 132, which requires that any power development for this specific type of project not negatively impact electricity costs for Utons." So they can't >> and and that's been something that's happened across the nation with other projects is the uh residents around these larger data centers are seeing their uh energy costs go up, right?
Their electric rates, the utility rates are are rising. So he's saying uh they can't that can't happen.
>> Yeah. He he said this. He said, "I also want to say a word about how we engaged in this debate. Utons care deeply about our land, our water, our rural towns, and the future we leave to the next generation. Strong opinions are welcome.
Healthy disagreement is part of good government, but I know my own comments at a recent press conference did not meet the expectations I have for myself.
I will seek to do better. Good for him.
I mean, because he did come out of the shoot pretty hard.
>> Yeah, pretty hard. Um, so we're going to continue to talk about this and especially about water. While um part of a different data center in a different area of the country found out they were using 30 million additional gallons of water and it went largely unnoticed. And water is a huge concern over this particular project.
>> Huge. Way more of a concern in Utah than it is in Georgia. So, we'll talk about that when we come back.
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The allnew Inside Sources. Inside Sources, your inside access to the people and policies shaping Utah's future. Here are Greg Scortis and Holly Richardson on KSL News Radio. We've been talking about some of the big concerns for this proposed data center in Boxiller County. And one of the greatest concerns, I think, Holly, is water and how this could affect what ends up getting into the Great Salt Lake.
>> Yes. And when the governor went on X to describe what's going to be happening with all of these different things, air and land and energy, he he did say specifically on water, that he wants the Utah Department of Natural Resources to ensure the most environmentally sensitive cooling technology is used so that water and the Great Salt Lake are protected.
>> Yeah. And the Great Salt Lake is a huge problem. I mean, the timing of this data center couldn't be worse as it relates to water and maybe even for energy generation as well, but we're doing everything we can to get as much water into the Great Salt Lake as possible.
So, this this data center is up in the what I would consider to be the sort of the bare river drainage area, which is the northern uh area that puts water into the Great Salt Lake and and that's a significant amount of water that comes from there. So any any sort of tweak on that's going to be a problem if it if it's holding back anything that would be going into the Great Salt Lake. We had heard at one point that this was going to be some sort of a recycled Yes.
process that the water would be recycled.
>> Yeah.
>> So if you remember also I think it was just Friday where uh the with the application was withdrawn right to say we want to be able to use these 1900 acre feet of agricultural water for this data center. They withdrew that which then nullified basically 5800 letters of >> complaint >> complaint. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So that they're not even looked at. But but what what happens is I've also seen mixed messaging on this, right? It's agricultural water and so they can sell those water rights. I've also seen Kevin Olirri say, "Well, this is going to be saline water, right? It's going to be salty water. We can't use it anyway for other things." They're like, "Well, that's not the same. I mean, they are not watering the the crops with salty water."
>> But whether it's agricultural water, whether it's drinking water, whether it's salty water, it if it ends up in the Great Salt Lake, it produces the lake effect that we need for our snow. I mean, you've got to get the water up in the Great Salt. It's already salty.
Bringing salt water into it is not going to harm it. So, any any any way that you're taking water out of the Great Salt Lake is going to be a huge problem right now. A big problem. So, the governor said he has requested that the project developer publish a publicly available water plan that demonstrates to Utah DNR officials that no degragation occurs to the Great Salt Lake and that all water use must be reported publicly and in no event will the developer reduce water going to the Great Salt Lake.
>> And then you find out what happened, >> right? In Georgia, right? So, so it's such an interesting story because in Georgia people noticed that their water pressure started dropping and they started complaining about it and then they found out that a data center had used 30 million gallons of water more than it was supposed to and nobody caught it.
>> Yeah. So they their water is not working too well. They they go to their water connection. They find out that 30 millions of water was was taken and it was unnoticed. Uh so I mean 30 million gallons of water I don't know what the period of time is I suppose a year is is that would be a significant that would be a significant burden on the Great Salt Lake to lose that much water.
>> Look I I mean this is the story in Politico and this is the one that I saw right that the data center drained 30 million gallons of water unnoticed. So what happened is last year it's a fairly affluent area uh close to Fatville, Georgia. their water pressure was unusually low. And so they started having these complaints come in. So the county went out and investigated and they found two, and I'm quoting from the article, two industrial scale water hookups feeding a data center campus located 20 miles south of downtown Atlanta. One had been installed without the utilities knowledge and was the other was not linked to the company's account and therefore was not being buil.
>> Yes. I mean, how how you don't notice that or how they could hook up with that without getting appropriate permits is really odd to me. I don't know how that even happened. But >> so so it's 44 Olympic size swimming pools worth of water and it far exceeded the peak limit agreed to during the data center planning process. So I understand why people are worried.
>> So what I don't understand is why a data center needs that amount of water. I mean, I don't know what happens there.
>> They have to cool it.
>> Yeah, I was going to say nuclear plants, I can understand. You have the cooling process and um but maybe the data >> computers produce heat. So, when you've got a bunch of servers, you've got computer equipment, it produces heat.
It's always been an issue. They always have to have some kind of cooling.
Typically, they do use water. There are other things you can use, >> but they do have to have a cooling technology because otherwise it like it literally heats things up too much. So, so that's why. But um but it's but it is interesting and and and I do want to say this. We've got some people now who are making funny comments, funny slash like ironic comments on social media because they're talking about we're we're hearing you know, hey, you homeowners don't water your lawns until the 15th and you know, you're going to have brown lawns. And so people now they're saying things like, "Hey, my lawn and I identify as a data center, so we can use as much water as we want." I mean, >> that's a classic.
>> I mean, you know, >> I know water right now, I mean, that couldn't be a worse year. It couldn't be a worse time of year. It couldn't be a worse time in our history really uh to to say there's a chance that we're going to take some water away from the Great Salt Lake. It's just I mean it's this this poor project and and I completely understand that what you where you started this was a trust issue.
>> Yeah, it's trust.
>> We should have had the people of Boxer County, the people of the state of Utah should have had a little more heads up as to what was going on here before it just happened and then us suddenly I mean we just learned about it ourselves.
This 40,000 acre >> Yeah. attractive land >> shortly before the very first scheduled hearing and then they delayed that hearing, you know, but we only knew about it for a couple weeks and I think the county commissioners were late uh to finding out about it too. Just for context, I want to share this Georgia one. So, the Fagetville campus is one of the largest data center developments in the country. So, guess how many acres it covers?
>> How many?
>> 615.
>> Oh, you got to be kidding me.
>> No. So, I mean, just for context, right, we're talking about we're starting with a 2,000 acre footprint at a 40,000 acre tract.
>> So, why or 2,000?
>> Because they want to make it a hypers scaler. So, they want to be able to provide data for the five big huge data consumer companies include that includes Meta um and Google, right? And there's three others, but they want to be a hyperscaler uh provider of energy and data. So anyway, the current one of the largest current ones is 615 acres and we're talking about beginning with a small a small footprint up to maybe 40,000 when >> up to maybe 40,000. Yeah. So it it those are interesting conversations, right?
And I think I I think the right response is to say, "Okay, look, we realize, and I'm paraphrasing here, we realize we blindsided you, everybody. So, we're going to slow down a little bit and and give you some assurances about how we're, you know, approaching this." One of the things I think is interesting, and I know we're almost out of time, is that these data centers being built around the country have opposition almost everywhere they're proposed.
People are like, "No, we don't want these here." And that includes Utah, multiple places in Utah, but it's across the nation as well.
>> I've heard people say, "What are other countries doing?" And I guess they're counting on the United States to do this.
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>> I don't know.
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>> One woman in Salt Lake County has taken the mantra get outside to whole new levels. If you need a little positivity for your Monday morning, here it is.
>> Yeah. And an effort to visit and catalog all of the parks in Salt Lake County.
And now it's all in an easy to navigate online map. And by the way, there were over 500 of them.
>> It's amazing. So KSL's Alex Cerero spoke with her be the woman behind the whole thing.
>> We're talking 511 parks. I didn't know there were that many in the county. City parks, county parks, parks, and HOAs. She visited them all. And she did it to help the rest of us.
You know that feeling when you're at a park and you really have to go.
>> Let's hope that it's open.
The public bathroom.
>> Ali Viarta sure does >> and it has toilet paper >> because she spent a lot of time at parks. In fact, she says she has visited all 511 parks in Salt Lake County.
>> This is a pretty good playground. Not just to see which bathrooms are open year round, but also to catalog everything each park has, from splash pads to playgrounds, pavilions with picnic tables, and even dog parks.
>> What I wanted to create was a resource that had never before existed, which is a place you could go, thinking more of your neighborhood as a region and less about city boundaries. So, she built a searchable online map where people can look for exactly what they need in one spot instead of bouncing from city website to city website.
>> I've got a dog and a toddler, for example, and I want to plan an outing.
Where can I go that has both an off leash dog park and a toddler friendly play area?
>> Horseshoe pits, beach volleyball sand, small parks and big parks. She has it all. I wanted this map to be a tool that people can use whether they want to plan a church picnic or a wedding.
>> And bathrooms that are open year round.
>> It is my top issue.
>> She says about 70% of the 511 parks close them if they have them at all.
>> I'm a nerd, but like I just think that's basic human dignity. Like good communities have public bathrooms.
>> But it's not just about bathrooms. It's about having a place to get away from it all for a little bit, to breathe, relax, and a place where kids can be kids and neighbors can be neighbors.
>> These parks belong to us. Let's make the most of them.
>> She also created what she called the golden five stars of family friendliness. Five golden stars. Parks that have she she said five things. They should have playgrounds, splash pads. I have no idea what that is.
>> Oh, it's super fun, but also water conscious.
>> Okay. Yeah. uh picnic tables, water fountains, and bathrooms. And out of the 511 parks, only 15 had all five of those.
>> She seems to be stressing the uh public restroom facility.
>> See, I sounded like a blast.
>> I've had kids at parks where they say, "Okay, you got to go to the bathroom.
You got to go right now." And they're locked.
>> Yeah, that's >> dog on it. Right. And no, I just think that's such a fun project, right, that she took it on herself to say, "Okay, I'm going to go do this." First of all, I had no idea there were 511 parks of all sizes and varieties in Salt Lake County. That's a lot.
>> So, when you think about it, so she talks about uh city parks, county parks, um what she called HOAs, I don't know what some some of the other she mentioned four different categories, but yeah, I mean there if you think about it, there is a park in every neighborhood. It seems like a little >> even if it's a little play area, right?
Yeah. Yeah. We have so splash pads those are instead of like a pool they they'll have like the water jets come up out of the ground so you can splash around in it basically. Yeah. You can get wet pool off. Yeah, exactly. That's what that is.
But um but yeah, I just think you know what a great project for somebody to take on because she felt like she needed it. Um and she did it >> and she cataloged them so others could see they all Yeah.
>> So by water fountains she must be drinking fountains then.
>> Yeah, I would guess so. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> Splash pads, picnic tables.
>> I know that in the there's a park really close to our house and I know that the public bathrooms there are locked during the winter months for sure. They're open during the summer, but they're locked during the winter and it kind of makes sense to me like are you really going to the park and the restroom in the winter?
>> Yeah. I also noticed that some of the parks that that we visit are they have them closed on Sundays. Um maybe because people aren't visiting them as much or something like that. The problem is this, and I'm just sick for these park superintendents and the people that take care of them. People vandalize things and it's just it's just awful. You can go to a public restroom one day and the next day it's been >> Yeah. vandalized. I know. Yeah. Yeah. I know. It is a problem. It is a problem.
So, so Ally, who did this um she actually is host of the Citycast Salt Lake podcast. So, so she she always was thinking about, okay, so what is it that's out there? or what do we have available? And I think that's a a really great use of her time and then to create it, of course, so that other people can use it, too. So, I want somebody to volunteer, not me, to do that in Utah County.
>> Yeah, probably not as many in Utah County, but still probably a significant number. which she listed her top five things, but one of the things she thought was important was an off leash dog park, but she didn't list that in her golden five >> things that make a park important to her. And a toddler friendly play area. I mean, she just said playgrounds.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, and you can have you can have playgrounds, right, but they're they're not as friendly. So, do do you remember like this has changed the n uh over our lifetimes. Do you remember merrygorounds? We really don't have those much anymore.
>> Oh. because they'd flip the kids off.
And anyway, it just feels like we don't have that a lot anymore. But but there was a related story that I saw about Pleasant Grove. They're going to have this week they're doing a a contest.
It's an obstacle course for people with disabilities. And that's one thing that I have seen over the last maybe decade um is that a lot more parks are really thinking about what about our patrons, potential patrons who have disabilities, right? whether they're in a wheelchair or they can't sit up or you know whatever it is and and I wish that we had had things like that available when I was raising my kids because we had kids who could have enjoyed those types of parks but they just weren't a thing.
>> Yeah. I think perspectively I mean when you're building parks you take a lot of those things into consider but yeah you kind of have to.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's too bad. That's that's a sad thing. And she also mentioned um not swimming pools no splash pads I guess.
Very few parks have swimming pools.
>> Yeah, unless I guess it's a public's pool.
>> That would be a big one, right?
>> Yeah. So, yeah. So, uh we've enjoyed splash pads down in our area. Cedar Hills has a really nice splash pad.
Again, I don't know how the water this year is going to impact those. I know that in some places some cities are saying we're going to decrease, we're not going to shut them off completely, but we'll decrease the hours that these are available. Like so if it's super hot outside, you can take your kids to a splash pad and they can get wet and it's free. At least usually is free, right, to go into these parks. So it can be a fun activity where the kids can cool off without having to pay to go to a pool.
>> You know, we we've uh we did a a group of guys and I did a long bike ride yesterday in the Morgan Valley, and we were happy to find a park there, a city park that was open. The restrooms were open. The drinking fountains worked. A picnic table was in a pavilion with and in the shade we could sit down and have a drink and and, you know, drink some water and and go fill our water bottles.
So, it was it was nice to and it was a beautiful park, too. I don't even know what it was called, but it was just this fun, beautiful park. I just thought, you know, cities need these and and you know, we weren't the only ones there, but we were we everybody just passes through, >> you know, gets a drink of water, has a bite. There's a there's a she had a statement that I thought was really interesting. This is the KSL article, but she talked about boredom, right? And how in summer she said she said boredom is a state of mind. And she said, "I've never been bored a day in my life." And then she says, "I always hear people say things like, well, there's nothing to do in Salt Lake. It's so boring." And her response is, "Really? Have you tried going to 500 on 11 parks?"
>> And she did that in like so many It didn't take her very long. She did it.
You know, she was hitting them up almost every day. I guess it took her two years or something. I forget what it was, but >> that seems like a lot to me.
>> I mean, that's that's a lot of park visiting.
>> So, we do have people who have asked us our textures already. Uh where they can find this interactive map >> and I'll give you the address, but I'll also text our texture. It's salt lake.cast.fmarks.
>> FM.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, you can also go to ksltv.com and find the link there embedded in our story.
>> Yeah. So, that'll be fun to get and and good for her for doing that. What did you say her name was? I mean, she's just >> It's Ali Varta.
>> Yeah. I was I really think we should get her on the show sometime. Somebody that would do that and she's just listening to her. What a great sense of humor. She was so funny to to listen to her talk.
>> Yeah, it's really fun. So, um, anyway, I I think it's a great project and, uh, we're heading into 90° weather, so we all are going to need something to do.
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>> The Americans who are on board a Dutch cruise ship where a haunt virus outbreak occurred are now back in the United States. And those who have tested positive are at a center for dis disease control facility in Atlanta. While those who haven't shown symptoms or tested positive are still in a secure facility in Nebraska.
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>> So, what's what's interesting to me is I did not know we had secure facilities in Nebraska to uh put people in quarantine.
Guess we have them everywhere.
>> I didn't know that. All right, so we have with us Dr. Richard Ferguson. He's an emergency room doctor and president of the Black Physicians of Utah. Thanks for joining us today, Dr. Ferguson.
>> Yeah, happy to be back with you guys.
And actually, you may recall as you just uh finished with your your statement there about the Nebraska facility, we have a facility, I don't know if you remember back when Ebola traveled here, probably about 10 years ago, that was one of the facilities that was used when someone was exposed to Ebola and and was symptomatic. Gosh.
>> So, we have one in Boston and Nebraska.
>> Wow. Okay. What can you tell our listeners about haunt virus? What is it?
>> Yeah. So the virus uh I guess it's actually something that we many of us physicians learn about particularly uh in medical school but it's a it's a a group of viruses usually carried by wild rodents. Uh it's common in the Americas.
Uh it can cause what uh many people are being admitted for or have passed away from so far with this and strain uh something that's called haunt virus pulmonary syndrome. And so that's so if it's and mind you this is usually spread uh by rodent urine droppings or saliva.
Uh and and usually you know from the only cases that I've read about it's often in the southwest so like New Mexico or possibly even out in Yoseite.
Uh and it's usually when someone has an old cabin there was rat feces there.
Someone goes in to clean it or they have a barn and there's rat infestation. They sweep. They don't have a mask on. They inhale some of the particles that they clearly can't see and then anywhere from one to six weeks later they become symptomatic and it has a a fairly high mortality rate uh often somewhere between 15 to 40%. But it can cause a severe pulmonary syndrome with rapid breathing. Uh and so some of those early symptoms can actually look like flu, fever, fatigue, muscle aches. But once again, it's a a virus that's normally pass by rodents and occasionally can come over to humans. But this Zambian strain is a bit unique because it's the only one where it passes human to human uh which is what has of many of not only the WHO but the CDC concerns.
>> So let me I I just wanted to ask you a question about that. So it has passed.
This one has passed from human to human, but it's not something we should really be worried about. Is are are those both true?
>> Yeah. So I guess worry is a bit subjective for everyone given what we've had to experience with COVID and even how heck uh uh measles in our state. Uh but the spread is so what's different about uh virus compared to others? You need prolonged physical contact, prolonged time in close or enclosed space or exposure to someone body fluids from someone who was sick. Uh, and this is how it actually spread on that boat because the first person became ill uh, and then passed away on the ship and they continued on with their activities.
Meaning that person's spouse was with them in the room. they were sitting in galleys or maybe a cafeteria wherever they might have had close contact with and that's how it continued to spread and then it went from one person to another but you need prolonged time and in a closed space and once again someone needs to be symptomatic I don't know if many many of us recall because co is kind of ubiquitous now like it's just kind of out there in our environment everyone is constantly being exposed but often not symptomatic and the andian strain you have to be symptomatic to spread so in that incubation period you are not able to spread it.
>> Okay. I did have >> symptomatic >> I did have a question about incubation period because it seems to be quite long. So people could have already been infected before they even got on the ship. Is that correct?
>> Yes. I think there was that particular um was it the Swiss passenger that was sitting next to the wife when she was flying to South Africa after her husband had fallen ill and died. M >> uh I think she's the one that might have uh spread to him and I think that also spread to a flight attendant as well that was on that same plane.
>> So Dr. Ferguson, the people that haven't shown symptoms yet are given a choice from what we heard of staying in the facility at Omaha for 42 days, which is the period of incubation, or they can go home and sort of self-contain. Um what would they if they left the facility, what would they be looking for? So they'd say you go home uh stay in your house but be aware that some things may start happening. What would those things be >> like like you start having a fever or something like that?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So uh often the pre presenting symptoms mimic that or seem very similar to that of the flu. At least we know we're not in flu season.
So we don't have to be worried about confusing between the two. But it's fever, fatigue, muscle aches, headache, chills, dizziness, and it can even create GI symptoms. So you can get diarrhea and abdominal pain. But often many people become more concerned is if you develop a cough or shortness of breath. That's when you really get more and more worried that oh wow, this is the haunted virus pulmonary syndrome.
These are not allergy symptoms. This is not measles. And considering that we have a higher concern because you were on a ship clearly exposed to it. So if they have fever, fatigue, muscle aches, chills, uh, and a cough, that would be concerning if they develop that within the first week or next one to two week, one to six weeks, sorry.
>> So one of the things that I've seen online is that there are two people, one is quote mildly symptomatic and the other one has tested positive but is asymptomatic. They don't have any symptoms. So even if they even if they test positive for this haunt virus but they don't have symptoms, are you saying that they would not be contagious then?
>> Yeah. Yeah. It would be really hard for them to spread because the thing is of course you know you have the sensitivity of a blood test that's going to detect uh the virus in the bloodstream before even when it's not uh multiplied enough in our cells within our body to become symptomatic in our lungs or in our gut.
So yes, you can test positive and not actually be infectious.
>> What is the medical uh not cure but the response to someone with haunt virus?
What what do the med what do the medical professionals do for somebody in those situations?
>> Uh it's I'm trying to recall mind you uh I think it primarily what they're doing when they're very ill with the pulmonary syndrome hivirus pulmonary syndrome. Uh they will often it's supportive care in an ICU. So there's they're trying to get them where eventually until the virus dies out in your body.
>> So because it's a virus, they can't really treat it treat it then. It's really just supportive until it runs its course.
>> Yeah. Which is why it kind of has a high mortality rate. I'm sure they're trying several different antivirals. Uh but there isn't one specific that I know of, but it's usually supportive care. you know, they're providing oxygen, they're doing mechanical ventilation, so they're intubating them if the if things get worse with the pulmonary aspect, they're making sure that their their hydration is maintained. But yeah, there is no magic bullet or cure or drug company that has engineered a specific antiviral as we had done with COVID that treats virus. Part of it is because it's uncommon and rather rare. I think there's been about 900 cases in the US over the last three decades. So, it's quite it's quite uncommon.
>> I have one uh really quick question. May I hope it's quick. Can you talk to us about the process of contact tracing that has happened but in like 30 seconds?
>> Uh yeah, it's very similar to what happened with CO. Often people are given a survey. They're given a link and someone from a public health department calls them and they start asking them a number of questions of where they sat on a plane or a bus or train or their cabin. Uh what uh activities they might have gone to, what gate they went to in an airport. And then they'll slowly from there figure out that timing and then they reach out to the other people that might have been working at the gate uh employees at that particular part of the airplane or on a ship wherever they might have been transporting through. Uh and then that's how that public health person will continue to increase the sort of ring of contact this person might have had during their journey.
>> All right, thank you so much. That was Dr. Richard Ferguson, emergency room doctor and president of the Black Physicians of Utah, giving us an update on HANA virus. So, when we come back, we're going to talk about the suspect in the White House correspondents dinner shooting. He uh pled guilty or not guilty. He pled not guilty. We also have an update on cameras in the courtroom for Tyler Robinson and a suspect in the deadly Rose Park funeral shooting has been extradited or is being extradited.
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>> An expanded inside sources. Inside sources, >> the man accused of trying to kill President Trump at the recent White House correspondents dinner pled not guilty on all accounts this morning.
Yeah, Cole Allen is facing several felony charges, including attempting to assassinate the president of the United States. And this is interesting because people say, well, you know, we have him on video. We have Secret Service.
Everybody was there. Why is he pleading not guilty? It's because he kind of has to at this point. We're in the very early stages. It's just an arraignment.
An arraignment is where you say those two words, guilty or not guilty. So, he had court today uh on four felony counts. Attempting to assassinate the president, assault on a federal law enforcement officer with a deadly weapon, transportation of a firearm and ammunition over state lines with the intent to commit a felony, and discharging a felony during a crime of violence. Each of those carries a significant prison term. I think the the the one involving the president of the United States probably has 20 years all by itself. So, he could be serving >> the rest of his life in prison. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I think you have taught me that too, right? is that almost everybody is going to enter a not-uilty plea right at the outset.
>> Yeah. And I think the judge probably wouldn't let him do anything else, believe it, at that stage because, hey, you've got to get an attorney. We have to make sure you know what you're doing.
And and if you plead guilty before you even have the evidence, then you're going to be, you know, say that you you didn't know what you were doing. So, yeah. I mean, take a step back. It's just the arraignment. It's just the first hearing. That case has moved on a fast track, by the way. He had a detention hearing like the next day, I think. Uh but now he's he's been formally charged. A grand jury has handed down an indictment alleging those four counts. He's presumed innocent and he will then move forward. I assume also and I haven't seen this from the from the uh what's in the paper. Well, he does have a defense attorney, but I don't know whether he's a public defender. Doesn't matter necessarily. My my guess is he's probably got one of the federal public defenders.
>> So, on another story, and this one is uh more local. This is about Tyler Robinson. So there we we know that the preliminary hearing is going to be delayed for about a month and a half, but cameras and microphones will be uh continue to be allowed in the courtroom.
But here's my question for you. I I feel like we've talked about this. I feel like the judge has said yes, that cameras are going to be allowed in the courtroom. Why are we still revisiting this?
>> Because the defense brought in an expert at the last hearing. So that they said, "Hey, the cameras are killing us. We're we're not going to get a fair trial. we there's no way we can get a jury to hear this case and be fair. And the judge said, "No, Utah presumes that courts are open to the public. We're going to allow cameras in the courtroom." So, they they revisited the hearing and they had an expert come in who testified that given the the preemptive highle, yeah, the high-profile nature of this case, the fact that Utah County is not the biggest county in the country by any means, uh it was going to really taint the jury pool. And the judge still didn't buy it and he said, "No, I am going to allow cameras in the courtroom." um during his proceedings and that means of course it would happen during the trial but with in because your jury's already seated but and they're hearing everything but in the preliminary matters including the preliminary hearing which we're going to talk about in just a second >> when when you for example you live in Utah County you're watching that and you might get called on the jury who knows and and based on what you might see on TV or listen to on KSL radio you might say hey I think I have an idea what happened in this case and you may not you may not be able to be fair or at least you say hey I've already heard the whole evidence why what am I going to learn at trial I don't know already well the answer is everything because what you know >> with all respect to the media isn't what's going to come out during the course of the trial some information may not be relevant or maybe admissible that you see on the media and it and you have to focus at the the trial eye on the prize whatever you're hearing specifically by the witnesses and the lawyers is is what you have to consider when you determining whether somebody's guilty or innocent at a trial.
>> So, the preliminary hearing for Tyler Robinson was originally scheduled for next week, May 18th, I think, and now it's been pushed back to the beginning of June.
>> Um, why are they why are we doing that?
>> That was another motion by the defense.
The state is >> wants cameras in the courtroom and they want to do the prelim. They can do it tomorrow. And they're what they're saying is this.
>> Well, I'll tell you what the defense argument is. First of all, the defense argument is we have reams and reams of documents. You know, we have the gigabytes that we haven't even seen yet.
The FBI created a database. They're interviewing all these people. We just need more time.
>> And the state's saying, "You have what you need for the preliminary hearing.
There's not going to be anything at the preliminary hearing that you don't already know about." In other words, if you interviewed a thousand people, but three of them are going to testify at the prelim, you know what they're going to say, >> right? Okay. So you what what are you going to gain by having more time? And the defense is saying, "Well, unless we have all the information, maybe we don't know how to cross-examine these people.
Maybe we don't know what else could be there." So, they're saying we need more time. Now, the judge >> I I kind of guessed wrong on these. I thought the judge would split the baby with the bathwater on on both of these.
Um, that's not the right >> No, but that's okay.
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>> Yeah. Split Don't split the baby.
Anyway, I thought the judge would split it down the middle um and and say, "Okay, we're going to limit cameras in the courtroom just to a still camera and maybe one photographer and that type of thing." But he opened up the floodgates, I think, to cameras in the courtroom, including uh microphones, uh moving cameras, that type of thing.
>> So, I guess that went wrong. With respect to the preliminary hearing, I guessed correctly that he would probably give him a continuence, but it wouldn't be very long. So, a month and a half is not a long time. I think the state or the defense wanted much longer than that.
>> Interesting.
>> And they may and probably will file both of these motions again before the preliminary hearing to limit cameras and to um need more time. But the judge, I think, is probably stated his position now and we're we're going to we're going to have a preliminary hearing in um July 6th through 10th. I can't imagine it's going to take five days, but the preliminary hearing is going to be that the week of July 6th, right after the 4th of July.
>> Okay. I thought it was June, but it's July. Okay. So, I I do see this is a KSL TV story that says they the county attorney's office has identified six witnesses. So, they've already told the defense who they're bringing. Lance Twigs, who was Robinson's roommate at the time, four agents from the Utah State Bureau of Investigation, a UVU police officer, photos and videos from UVU, text messages between Robinson and Twigs, and photographs of notes. So, so they already have a heads up, >> right?
>> Right. Which is what you're saying, >> which is another reason why the state is saying you don't need anything else. You we've we've told you everything we're going to put on the prelim. You have all their statements. But I I but it's also one thing people don't appreciate about a preliminary hearing, and I've done them for both sides, is that it's also what we call a discovery hearing. It it's an opportunity for the defense to learn about the state's case because you don't get a you don't get the right to go interview witnesses like you do in a civil case. You can't take depositions and interrogatories and all that kind of stuff. The preliminary hearing is sometimes your one and only shot of examining witnesses if you're a defense attorney. Now, you can go to their house and visit them and if they say, "I ain't talking to you," then you don't get that information. You know what I mean? So, the preliminary hearing is a great chance to see what the witness is going to say. The state the state >> I I kind of liken it to that old show, you know, I can name that tune in five, you know, like what's the minimum number of witnesses you have to call at a preliminary hearing to get it bound over because this the the the quantum of evidence that's required at a preliminary hearing is very low.
probable cause. It's a probable cause reasonable, >> right? Yeah. And it's just to a judge of one, not a jury of 12. So, it's a very low standard. The state says, "We we've already told you what our standard is.
We've already told you who our witnesses are. Let's just put it on." The defense is saying, "We need to see the big picture first."
>> So, then one last final story, and this is local, too, but the suspect in the Rose Park funeral shooting was extradited. I thought maybe it was in the future, but no, he has been extradited to Salt Lake City after being taken into custody in California. And I guess my question to you is h how is it different, for example, that he's been extradited and then our alleged shooter in the the murders of the three women down in southern Utah has not been extradited.
>> The the difference is one person said, "Okay, I need to go back." The other one's fighting it. So you can you can contest your extradition and an extradition hearing is an identification hearing. So somebody will have to go to Utah or go to California from Utah and say that's the guy we're looking for.
It's not you can't fight your case. You can't challenge the charges. You can only challenge whether you are in fact the person who is wanted by the state of Utah. It's I consider it a waste of time because I I tell all my clients just wave extradition and come home. First of all, because you're going to be sitting in jail and second, you get no credit for the time you serve in jail if you're fighting extradition. So, it's a waste of your time. You might as well come to Utah and fight it. But some people would rather just fight it as long they fight everything. And I completely understand.
But if anybody ever called me and said, "What should I do?" I'd almost always tell them wave extra. You're going to come back anyway unless it really you really aren't the person.
Anyway, so that was a that was an interesting thank you for allowing me to have my criminal moment today. When we come back, conversations with Governor Cox and the owners of the South Entertainment Group today will continue.
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The man accused of charging the White House correspondents dinner and attempting to assassinate top leaders in the Trump administration pleaded not guilty in court this morning. The FBI says Cole Thomas Allen went to the dinner and ran through a metal detector with multiple knives and guns. Your money at this moment, the Dow up slightly. It's been zigzagging right around zero today. Right now, it's up 20 points to 49,629.
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>> McKay CPAP is a staff writer at The Atlantic and he's here in Utah today to interview several big names including Governor Spencer Cox.
>> And ahead of this interview, we joined him uh he joined us earlier to pre preview this event.
>> Before we talk about the event, we asked him to explain how he got started on this path of storytelling, how it evolved, and especially as he wrote the biography of former senator and presidential candidate Mitt Romney. It was actually during my freshman year at BYU, I took a a you know intro journalism class where I was introduced to the idea of what the professor called literary journalism but was really you know long form journalism, narrative journalism. the idea that you could take a lot of the storytelling techniques that define the best fiction and apply it to true stories uh that were based on reporting and research and uh I loved it you know I started reading all the great new journalists uh the you know Tom Wolf Gay Gay Tissu uh Joan Ddian and decided that's what I wanted to do and uh the Atlantic has really been an amazing home for that it's you know forund6 67 years, I think, has been the home of some of the greatest writers in the English language. And so, it's it's kind of an honor to get to do that uh at this magazine.
>> What inspires you to write? And I guess I'm thinking about uh people who write great music and people who write great books. I mean, how do you get an idea or concept or something that you want to write about?
>> Yeah. I've always been drawn to interesting characters first and foremost. like you know um I I always there I always say there are two kinds of writers when it comes to biographies profiles when you're writing about a subject there are those who start out with a big idea and then they go in search of a character who will help them explore that idea and then there are those who start with the character and then figure out what their individual story says about the human condition or America or religion or or whatever it is. And I'm very much in the latter camp. I like to start with the the person, the individual, the character, and figure out what motivates them, what uh what makes them tick, what the the tensions are in their life. Um, I spend a lot of my career writing profiles of, you know, powerful political leaders or business leaders or people in media. And I'm always interested in the tensions that they that they face between their ambitions and their uh their principles.
And I think that uh everybody, if we're honest with ourselves, experiences this.
You know, it's what we want versus what we know is right. And I think that the the kind of characters that wrestle with that tension and are trying to do the right thing but you know sometimes come up short but are are really trying. I think those are the most interesting characters and I I I at least lately have been gravitating toward those people.
>> So I really really enjoyed the bio biography that you did on uh Mitt Romney. was so well done and so like it just pulled me in and kept me until I finished it. And what was it like to do that kind of biography on somebody who was so high profile?
>> Yeah, he's he's such an interesting subject because, you know, in some ways he's been in uh you know, a very public person for a really long time, right?
you know, you go back to when he ran for Senate the first time in Massachusetts in the mid 90s. Um, he then, you know, the Salt Lake City Olympics and, uh, the two presidential campaigns and and, you know, and then his Utah Senate career, he in in some ways it would seem like he's a not a great subject because there's been so much written about him already. But what I I came to find is that a as a reporter who had covered him a lot, I had been a political reporter covering his 2012 campaign. Um I had covered, you know, I had profiled him when he got to the Senate. I it was true that a lot had been written about him, but he had so many stories he had never told because he's actually a pretty discreet person and he's disciplined and he, you know, he's not prone to kind of uh, you know, blab about everything that he sees behind closed doors. Um, but I happened to catch him at a moment where he was reaching the twilight of his political career. He was truly introspective in an interesting way and and kind of, you know, became a biographer's dream because he set aside a lot of time with me, you know, over the course of like two years. I was meeting with him almost every week when he was in Washington. Um he gave me his journals, his email correspondents and I I was surprised by the degree to which there was so much beneath the surface that nobody really had access to. And uh I I you know I felt like I was learning a ton about him even having written tens of thousands of words about him already.
Um, and so I wanted to make sure the book had that kind of intimacy too where people who read it felt like they were really getting inside the mind of this person. And uh, you know, I I I think that the greatest uh, the the you know, there were good reviews and lots of people bought the book and I I appreciate your your praise of it. the but my my favorite compliment actually came from his his uh one of his sons who read it and texted me that he felt like he he understood his dad so much more after reading it. Um and I feel like if you can uh get to the point where you're reaching the people the the very closest to your subject and leaving them as readers feeling like they understand something new. Uh that means that you've you've accomplished something. And so of course I'm I'm very grateful to him for being so open with me.
>> McKay, how has your writing and reporting style changed as you've matured? And is it is it part of your change or do you think the audience has changed a little bit?
>> Um, probably both. And and also I think that it's true that any reporter when you're first starting out, you're you're not going to get the opportunity to write the 10,000word cover story for The Atlantic, right? Um and so when when I was first starting out, I was at Newsweek and then uh later at BuzzFeed News. And you know, as a as a reporter in my early and mid20s, um, you end up kind of, uh, getting assignments to write quick pieces to, uh, you know, be really in the middle of the news cycle every day. You're churning out what were called micro scoops, you know, where it was like the the very small incremental advances in whatever the political news story of the day was. And I think also as a younger reporter, I was probably like a lot of younger reporters, I, you know, my I was I just wanted to, you know, get my big break. I wanted my stories to get attention. And I I wouldn't say that I was uh, you know, necessarily turnurning out clickbait every day, but there's a little there's a clickbay aspect to some of my earlier my earlier journalism. there there are stories I would take back um if I could, you know, now 10 15 years later. But I think that um two things have happened as I've gotten older. One is that um I've developed my skills and talents to the ex and that's in large part thanks to some great editors and mentors who have helped me get better at the craft and so I've gotten bigger opportunities to write more, you know, nuanced, longer, more thoughtful pieces. Um, and then yes, of course, there's like a certain amount of wisdom and maturity that comes with age.
And you know, I'm turning 40 next year.
And I think that um as a as a father, as a middle-aged man, um I think I tend to be a lot more um I don't know if the right word is generous, but I I'm more curious about the world the older I get.
You know, when you're younger, you feel like you kind of have everything figured out and you're in a crusading mode. And now I think I'm much more open-minded about how much I don't know. And I go into every story trying to be as open-minded as possible. I have a lot of questions. I I find that most most people I write about, even public figures and even public figures who have kind of villainous reputations in some circles are much more complicated and interesting than people realize. And they're all, you know, they're all human beings. They're all, not to get too religious here, but my faith has a part of this, too. They're all children of God. And, you know, all of them deserve to be taken seriously and not to be treated too glibly. And so, I think that's the biggest thing that's changed in my my style of reporting and writing.
>> After the break, we're going to continue our conversation with McKay and talk more about his interviews today with the governor as well as the owners of the Smith Entertainment Group. Stay with us.
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>> It's this event that brings writer McKay Compens to Utah. We spoke with him ahead of today's event where he's set to interview Governor Spencer Cox plus the Smith Entertainment Group owners Ryan and Ashley Smith.
>> So last year The Atlantic uh announced uh a 50-state tour called Atlantic Across America. And uh it's really born out of I think kind of the the DNA of our publication. The Atlantic was founded in the run-up to the Civil War.
And um it had sort of two missions at the outset. One was uh that it would be a pro-UN anti-slavery publication. Um it was an abolitionist magazine. It wrote very forcefully uh against the evils of slavery and in favor of preserving the Union. Um, and then the other was that we would explore the American idea, but be but from a place that was of no party or click, which meant that the the magazine was not going to take sides uh in a partisan way. We weren't going to be an organ of a an ideological movement or a political party. We were going to invite the best writers and thinkers um from across the country to help us explore and explain the American idea.
And so uh this 50-st state tour is really an effort to ensure that the very you know best minds, best ideas, uh the most substantive conversations about the American idea as the country turns 250 years old are taking place really across the country. You know, we're not going to contain this conversation to the Asella corridor from, you know, Washington DC to Boston. uh we want to get out there and uh have conversations with with Americans. A lot of our writers are are scattered throughout the country. Um I'm based in Virginia, but I try to take every opportunity I can to get out to Utah, which is actually where I was born. And uh we just find that there are really interesting people in every state doing their best in you know government and politics in uh business and sports in academia and healthcare whatever doing interesting things to strengthen the the country that we all love. And so um this event that we're holding in in Utah is an effort to have some conversations with some of the most interesting people doing that work in Utah. So, we'll be talking to Governor Cox. We'll be talking to Ryan and Ashley Smith, the owners of the Utah Jazz and uh Utah Mammoth. Um, and also one of my colleagues, Evan Smith, who is actually based in Texas, will be joining me for a conversation about uh the role that journalism plays at this moment in American history.
>> Yeah. And speaking of uh this moment in American history, there's a lot going on in the country right now. And I'm wondering if that would play into to how this event would would unfold. And and maybe it's different than it would have unfold maybe five or 10 years ago because of everything that's going on in the country right now.
>> Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. We're in an incredibly polarized moment. Um, we are in a moment where Americans are divided by politics, incredibly suspicious of each other. Uh, our society is atomized in ways that I think are really unhealthy. We spend less time with our neighbors. We spend less time in civic organizations and churches and, uh, you know, groups that would otherwise bring us together. And um you know we we are facing a grow a rising tide of illiberalism both in America and outside of America where um people frankly on both sides of the aisle are openly questioning some of some of the core constitutional democratic ideals that undergurted th this national experiment. the idea of free and fair elections, of pluralism, that we can get along with people who fundamentally disagree with us on on basic important things. And um I think that the aim of this this tour of the these events is to show that we can have interesting, challenging, but ultimately healthy and uh and generous conversations with each other regardless of political party, ideology, or or any other tribe that that might otherwise divide us. If somebody can't attend this event in person, is there going to be a way that they can follow up and watch or listen later?
>> Yes, it will be uh it will be recorded.
There will be uh clips on social media and it'll be uh posted to YouTube afterwards. So, just Google Atlantic across America, Utah, or uh or check any of our Atlantic social channels and you should be able to to find the full event.
>> I have one final question for you, McKay. What is it you hope to find out by the interviews that you'll be conducting in Utah?
>> I'm really interested in every person that we're going to have on stage there.
And I think each conversation will be different. And I think with Governor Cox, we're going to talk about um the assassination of Charlie Kirk, uh what he learned from that experience, what Utah might have to offer, um some of the hot button issues in Utah, like this data center, which I know is uh causing a lot of consternation and debate in the state. I'm I'm going to hold him to to that and and and make him answer some questions. uh you know, Ryan and Ashley Smith, I think they have some really interesting ideas about the value of uh live sports in an age that's increasingly defined by AI and social media and everybody being glued to their phones. And so I I want to talk to them about that. I want to talk to them about the future of the Utah Jazz uh after years of tanking. You know, what what what happens there. Um, and I should also mention, by the way, that these uh interviews will all be episodes of the Desireette Voices podcast, which I am, in addition to my work at The Atlantic, I I've been co-hosting, uh, with Jane Clayson Johnson. And so, uh, people who are interested in the conversations will be able to listen to them in their podcast feed soon.
>> That just sounds like an fascinating event this afternoon. And, and McKay was so generous with his time talking to us about it. and and I he's a person that just spending that half an hour with him talking about this event made you think it's going to be a fascinating project >> for sure >> in 50 states he's going every they're going to every state >> well the Atlantic is doing this uh 50 state tour right I think it's part of the America 250 also but but I I really am fascinated that this Utah will be state number eight uh where this type of conversation is going to happen and he's interviewing of course Utons So the Smiths and then the governor and one of the things that he told us was that he was you know really going to push the governor on the response to this data center.
>> Yeah. And it very timely and I think Governor Cox has to know that that's coming and that he is going to be put in the hot seat a little bit about that and and you know Governor Cox has been sort of up and down in terms of you know he's the peacemaker, he's the agree better person. and then he gets on on a specific issue and he doesn't seem to agree particularly better. Then he backs off a little bit. I mean, I I love the man. He's done a great job for Utah, but boy, he took a he took a hit in the press for the way he responded to that thing.
>> Well, that event, like we mentioned, it will be this afternoon. It's at 2 o'clock at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in downtown Salt Lake City. And um it will be available later as podcast episodes. So McKay did mention that he does a joint podcast um with the Desireette News and he and Jane Clayson Johnson each interview different people and I think their episodes are once a month maybe. Um anyway, he those interviews this afternoon will be turned into podcast episodes. So even if you can't show up in person, you can hear it.
>> And he's also interviewing Ryan and Ashley Smith who are the co-founders of the Smith Entertainment Group. Of course, they own the uh Utah Jazz. They manage the Utah Jazz >> and the Mammoth >> and the Mammoth hockey team. I mean, two of the biggest, well, the two biggest franchises in the state of Utah. And u just talking about what their enter what their vision is for Salt Lake City. And he was going to tease them a little bit about their vision for the Utah Jazz because they've had a rough rough couple of years here lately.
>> Well, they just I learned over the weekend they have like pick number two now in the draft. So, that's that's good for them. But one of the things I think is interesting that he's going to ask them is to talk about live sports in an AIdriven era, right? So I I know that they're selling out venues, right? That there seem to be really popular and yet we also talk about how focused people are on AI and how you can't tell the difference anymore. Well, I guess that's one way, right? If you show up in person in person. And I was surprised at the Mammoth. I really was. I didn't I didn't think Utah was a hockey town. Salt Lake was a hockey. I I really didn't think we would support the team, especially when we had another professional team playing out in West Valley City. Uh and and I thought, how are we going to do this?
And they've apparently sold out every home game.
>> Yeah, they build it. They will come is kind of what they were saying.
>> One of the best attendance records in the in the country and and that just shocked me. And the Jazz, of course, they sell out every game, too. They always have.
>> And the the Mammoth got to the playoffs this year, and it's only year number two, which is impresses me, right, as a non. got knocked out in the first round, but they they >> but they did well. Look, they had they had two games where they had to do a double overtime, so that's pretty good.
>> Yeah.
>> Anyway, that's part of uh the Desireette News and the Atlantic joint event that is going to be happening in downtown this afternoon. So, super interesting conversation and and um he he's a good storyteller. He's also a good interviewer. You can tell, right? I mean, he this is something where he told us, right? This is something he wanted to do from the time he was just a kid.
You know, I was not familiar with him or his writing at all before we did this.
You seem to be a fan of his.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love his writing.
Yeah. And he does long form, like long form stories, like thousands and thousands of words. This is just in a magazine article, let alone when you get to book length. So, >> that should be a fascinating event.
Today, this afternoon, 2:00, Joseph Smith Memorial Building down right down here downtown here in Salt Lake City.
>> All right. News of the weekend. And a Utah Supreme Court justice is resign has resigned amid an investigation from the governor and the legislature. And my oh my does Greg have thoughts what he thinks this says about the state of Utah's judiciary. Coming up next.
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The allnew Inside Sources. Inside Sources, your inside access to the people and policies shaping Utah's future. Here are Greg Scortis and Holly Richardson on KSL News Radio. There is a shakeup in Utah's judiciary. One of the justices has resigned following a second investigation and leaked information about earlier investigations into alleged misconduct. So, uh, Utah Supreme Court Justice Diana Hagen announced her resignation on Friday, and now the legislative investigation into allegations that she had an inappropriate relationship with a lawyer in a redistricting case is over.
>> Wow, >> Greg.
>> Tell me, tell me, what does this mean?
Let me let me just back up a little bit and just tell you something. I taught at the law school about 30 years ago. I taught a class called trial advocacy.
And this is an absolute true story. I had a woman in one of my classes who was far and away the brightest student I had during my entire eight-year tenure there.
>> No question. Wow.
>> She was amazing. She was an overachiever. And I told her, I said, "You know what? You're going to be on the Supreme Court someday." This is and it was Diana Hagen. And so I have followed her career. I have watched her on the bench. I've argued cases in front of her. I have found her to be one of the, if not the best judges in the state of Utah. And so I personally, I just think this is very troubling on so many levels. And it was un so unfortunate.
And and I'm not going to place blame on any individual, but I will say that there were some things that were done here that I believe were entirely inappropriate. Not the least of which was whatever happened with the at the judicial conduct commission and and they did some level of investigation. They took something on there. There's I've heard different things from different people about what they did but they decided that there was nothing to do >> and and that particular decision whether it was a dismissal whether they said hey we're not going to do anything uh went to the somebody leaked that and it's which is in my opinion entirely inappropriate. I talked to one of our legislators who disagreed with me on basically everything I'm talking about here and I love the man, but we just we just didn't didn't agree on everything.
And and I just think that this case became all about a judge, a justice who had the courage to write an opinion, to be involved in an opinion about the about the redistricting.
>> Yeah. and and she stood her ground and she you looked at the Utah Constitution and whatever you agree with, whatever you disagree with. She made the decision to support a lower judge's decision. Of course, it wasn't Diana Gibson was the judge that wrote the decision from the district court. Diana Hagen and the rest of the Supreme Court looked at it and I think that she she was squarely in the crosshairs of a lot of very important Utah political leaders after that uh from the executive and the and the legislative branches. And she she was I mean such courage and such integrity and such brilliance that we just lost is heartbreaking for me as a lawyer. And you know the last time I argued before her it was a case that I should have won and I lost. I'll just tell you this is not this is not you know she's my you know she's my homie or something. Um th this was just this is a huge loss to the people of the state of Utah. And you know, be just to give you an idea of of this woman, she worked for 17 years as a prosecutor. She worked at the United States Attorney's Office. In fact, I think she prosecuted uh um Brian David Mitchell, the kidnapper, the Lisa Spark kidnapper. I mean, she was she was at the top of the game. She was one of the one of the best prosecutors in Utah. And she was so good. And she had an opportunity to take the bench, which she did. I mean, this is a woman who somebody asked me the other day, "Oh, what's she going to do for work?" Are you kidding me? She's going to make a double her salary next year. You know, there's not a law firm in the country that wouldn't snatch her up in a minute.
She's so She's that good. She's that good. And we just lost the one of the best judges in our state's history. So, the politics behind this, I'm sorry, you probably have a question here, but I'm just I'm devastated by this.
>> I do think that there are politics involved here because one of the things with the judicial what is it? Judicial Conduct Commission >> is you you told me like you've taught me that this is like a trial. Like you bring witnesses and you have an investigation and they found not only was there nothing there but like the arguments were inappropriately made even to bring this forward. And then that information got leaked somehow to the legislature and then sent to the media and and basically we had a trial in public without a chance for anybody to be able to def like Diana didn't Justice Hagen didn't have an opportunity to really defend herself. And and what's troubling to me is now I look at the 12 people who have been nominated as potential justices to expand the Utah Supreme Court. This is before Justice Hagen resigned. They're all men. And to me that says probably that the women judges who could have put their names forward, they don't want to do it anymore.
>> Yeah. Life's too short and then you're under such scrutiny. So maybe a slight correction, the judicial conduct commission didn't have a full-on hearing, I don't think. I think that they looked at the case. So they have a prosecutor assigned and I think that they looked at it and thought there's nothing here. I mean, at some point a case is so weak that that they don't even have the trial and they just thought there's nothing to do here and there really wasn't anything to do. It involves some in an what they said was an inappropriate relationship with a lawyer, some sort of flirting on a text message stream or something. and then she recused herself on all the cases that he was involved in. So I I I don't even understand the the argument here.
Um she took the high road in every respect. But I think that what she did here was she took a fall for the team.
You know, she's said, "Look, I you know what's happening with the courts right now is is not worth it." And she says this in her letter of resignation, which we I've been handed here. I would love nothing more than to continue serving the people of Utah as a Supreme Court justice, but I cannot do so without sacrificing my privacy and well-being of those I care about a and the effective functioning of the independence of the judiciary. So, she just thought putting myself and and her ex-husband soon to be ex I don't know where they are their proceedings, but you know, 30-year marriage and she has said it's I don't it's not fair to have everybody go through this. I mean talk about a person who takes the high road. Now who who does that in this country anymore? Who takes the high road? What have we seen with respect to legislators or respect to other leaders, you know, taking money, receiving funds from people and and you know, no names? No names. I'm not going to go out there, but so much worse happens with so many of our public officials. And who has the integrity to step down a justice?
>> So I something that would have never had a taken off the bench.
>> Yeah. So, the judicial conduct commission, you you mentioned maybe it wasn't a full investigation, but they found the accusations to be, and this is a quote, speculative, overstated, misleading, and had very little credibility, >> right? Yeah. I >> I mean, >> which is true.
>> So, so and I'm going to say this, >> I think it happens to women, right? I think it happens to women. How many times, sorry you already kind of alluded to this, but how many times are men involved in even potential sexual impropriy? And and maybe there wasn't any here at all with Justice Hagen, but it feels to me sometimes like the guys get patted on the back and say, "Hey, way to go, bro." Right. And the women just get excoriated.
>> No question. It's it's awful. And you you hit it right. You you hit it right.
You know, if if if this had happened to a male, I don't think we'd be even having this conversation, a flirty conversation with another lawyer. I mean, with nothing more. I mean, that's what And I'll tell you about the Judicial Conduct Commission. They're I I just did a trial before them a month ago with a judge, and they they hammered us.
I mean, they're not easy. You know, we we we tend to be cannibals a little bit.
You know, when you judge your own, you're not easy on it. And I've had four or five trials before the Judicial Conduct Commission, six I guess. And they were not easy on us any time.
>> I have a really brief question, but this happened after it was almost immediately after the news broke that she had submitted a letter of resignation.
There's a letter that comes out from Governor Cox, Speaker Schultz, Senate President Adams, and then Chief Justice Matthew Durant. And they say that all of them are committed to quote working together and potential reforms to the judicial conduct commission assuring ensuring that it upholds the highest standards of accountability. What does that mean?
>> What are they doing to the JCC?
>> Nothing there. What are they going to do? It's it's it's it's >> tell them they don't like their investigation.
>> Hey, we didn't like the way you did this. There's nothing to be done at the JCC. It's just eyewash. It's just a way to to cover themselves for something that uh I think we all the whole state looks bad over. Well, I I think um going after justices when you don't like court decisions is not the right way to go about it. I'll just say that.
>> Yeah. Heartbreaking to me as a lawyer.
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>> Anyone who's ever had to go to court or deal with the police should know and appreciate the idea of attorney client privilege. But now, thanks to artificial intelligence, there's concern that that privilege might be going away.
>> Yeah. So, a lot of lawyers are looking at this thing called AI notetakers and it's making lawyers nervous because what can happen is this. Uh, you have a staff meeting, you have a board meeting, you have something and someone doesn't show up. So, they just send their AI notetaker. They just send their recording device or whatever it is.
You'll have to explain what an AI noteaker is and it produces a document that is sort of notes of the hearing, notes of the meeting, but it may not necessarily be accurate. It may contain things that happen in the meeting that maybe people didn't want in the notes.
And if the if if it ever comes to something we call litigation, it may be discoverable. It may be something you have to produce even though you never intended it for to be used in a litigation in some proceeding like that.
>> That's kind of my question, right? Is when does it become discoverable? and and AI note takers like you can start a meeting and it'll transcribe and you've got these notes and it'll capture the jokes or an off-hand comment or something like that and they're pretty good, right? They're pretty good and and maybe that's part of the problem is that they're pretty good at capturing these conversations and I mean in some ways it's like a hot mic, right? So, >> well, it's also it's also when you think about this, I mean, if I have if I have a group of people in my office and we're meeting to discuss their case, we all expect that that discussion is part of the attorney client relationship. So, we can say things that we don't want anyone to hear, like, hey, how are how do you think we want to settle this case?
Exactly. What are the things that we should do? Well, if it's an AI noteaker and it becomes part of the the AI system, is is it still privileged? Is there an expectation of privacy? And there are some courts that have even said, you know what, that's that's a waiver of the attorney client privilege.
So, if if I'm in a meeting, if I'm an attorney and I'm in a meeting and somebody who's not there puts it on their AI noteaker, I'm going to exclude them from the meeting because we're either we're either enjoying the attorney client relationship or not, >> right? And and it's interesting the roles that these uh that these AI bots can sometimes play. So, you mentioned the taking the notes. There's also times where like people are like we we want to include this AI bot as a regular member of our meetings and people are like yeah no like I'm uncomfortable with that right uncomfortable with that. So, the New York City Bar Association issued a formal opinion on AI notetakers last year and what they did is urge attorneys to consider whether quote recording, transcribing, and summarizing is tactically well advised in the particular circumstances and also to let their clients know with with full disclosure. There's some disadvantages to this and here's what you might be looking at. Well, if you're if you're recording it and you're transcribing it, do you have to think this? Okay, we're having this meeting and let's just assume that the entire world can watch us, right? Would you say you wouldn't say hardly anything? You you'd be really you'd really be foreclosed on what advice you're giving to a client if you're assuming that if everything's open if everything's just open and or it could be at some date. You never know at what point these things could be made disclosable or discoverable. So, I mean, you can look at this and I think some people are looking at it like, well, lawyers are just just covering themselves and they're just not wanting to say they don't want people to know things. But we have conversations all the time with our clients that are private and privileged and they they come to us for that. The same think of a doctor maybe the same way. Exactly. You don't go see your doctor and tell them personal things thinking that they're transcribe it on some AI system.
>> Well, one of the concerns of course is accuracy because I I do this even just on my little one minute videos that I film. I go through and check the transcription um the automatic caption generation because first of all one time in 10 months they or 11 months they have spelled your name correctly only one time in 11 months >> mine >> your name your last name I know >> but but accuracy is an issue right and so it like for example I say today on inside sources and they they think I say today in inside sources it's minor right but when you're talking about a court case if it doesn't get doesn't versus does correctly that can make a big difference especially years down the road. So, you mentioned healthcare. When I was a nurse, one of the things they drilled into us was uh if you don't write it down, it didn't happen. And so, they're they're thinking about litigation, right? But you're not going to be able to go back n even nine months later and say, "Uh, I can't remember what actually happened."
>> Right. And and think about this. If AI did transcribe it wrong.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> And go back nine months later and say, "No, we that's not what we said."
Somebody will say, "It's right right here in your thing." Yeah. Well, no. We said we said we don't want that. Well, it says right here, we do want that.
Well, it didn't hear correctly. It transcribed it inappropriately. And who's to say you're you're not lying then? Yeah. I mean, that's why you that's why you take minutes and you take notes, but you don't have an artificial intelligence transcription down.
>> Well, and so here so here's a a potential scenario, right? Say you're uh you you're an attorney and you're advising an executive and they're talking about uh a business acquisition.
So maybe you have somebody who says, "Man, this would really help us dominate the category." Right? Well, then you can find yourself into antirust lawsuits, right? Which is like, you know, we talk in hyperbole all the time, >> right?
>> So, so it's a it's a really interesting article that I thought um about AI notetakers, right? So, people use it.
They say, you know, it's helpful. It really is helping us keep track of our meeting. And some attorneys are like, absolutely not. So, in fact, one judge, and this is in the Southern District of New York, said he he in fact made a ruling that um when when you have one of these transcription devices in your meeting, you you've waved your expectation of privacy.
>> And that seems like a really big deal.
>> Yeah. That you have you have no expectation of privacy when using a train model for input that you make explicit disclaimers. I mean, they're saying, "Don't count on this to you.
You're you're So, I mean, if I tell my clients that in the beginning of the meeting, hey, let's chat. By the way, you're waving your attorney client privilege." They're going to say, "Goodbye. I'm going to go find somebody else." Well, >> let me ask that ask you this. What if somebody said, "I don't need to hire an attorney." This is I'm speculating. I don't need to hire an attorney. I'm going to turn to chat GPT for legal advice and I'm going to represent myself in court. Where are they like where are they in legal standing? Do you have any idea? Well, so in Yeah. So in America, you can choose to represent yourself.
Sure.
>> You can say you have the right to be your own attorney. You don't you don't have the right to be somebody else's attorney. You're not an attorney. But but you can represent yourself and whatever sources you use are up to you.
I mean, but I think >> that would seem unwise.
>> Oh, no, no, no. They say that the person represents themselves as a fool for a client. Oh, I mean, that's an old saying, you know, you don't represent yourself even if you have chat GPT or whatever. And I've seen people who represent themselves and you can tell that they're using some they found some book or some whatever. You're like, "What are you talking about? That's not the way it is." And if you had chat GPT, I mean, we've seen >> we know they hallucinate. Chat hallucinates, >> right? And and they make up things because they don't want to say, "I don't know."
>> They make up legal cases that are bogus, cases that don't exist. And maybe the judge will actually read one of your cases and say, "You know what? That's not what it says." Then you've lost everything. Once you lose that credibility edge, you've lost everything. So, you know, I I I've never heard of these AI notetakers. Maybe I've been in meetings when somebody was doing that and I just didn't realize it. But I I would certainly agree with the legal theory on this that there are things that better left to be private and that's why we have those things privately. The same reason you tell your doctor something private, you want it to stay there.
>> I wonder if it's evolving, right? I mean, I wonder be because it feels like chat GPT is still so new. It's only three and a half years. I've said that multiple times recently. Um but but maybe it's something that's evolving where chat GBT is like open like you you can access that information.
It's out there. But I wonder if this is something where you could use a notetaker, but there's like an asterisk that like this is not admissible in a court case or like I don't know. But I just wonder because you can be helpful, right? you can sort through like lots of conversation and be able to pick out key words for example and and get a summary.
I I just wonder if this is like the early days of saying we're going to be really careful here because we've seen what happens when we're not careful.
Thanks social media >> and and the rules of evidence decide what's admissible. So, you can't just create a document to to your point, which is a good one, and say, "We're doing this meeting and here's what we're doing, but however, none of this is admissible in court." The judge is going to say, you know, I'll tell you what's admissible in court.
>> I'm not an attorney.
>> No, no. It was a great It was a great example. I liked it a lot. You know, I'm going to confess to this crime, but by the way, you can't tell anyone that I'm doing this. You know what I mean? Like, >> well, then that's protected by attorney client privilege or >> right or something else.
>> Penitent privilege or something. I don't know.
>> Dr. Patient. Yeah. There's all husband, wife. We have all kinds of privileges.
But we expect those. We honor those.
They're part of our American juristp prudence. And we want people to be able to talk and have conversations without having uh without having problems.
>> We're almost to the end of our segment, and I'm seeing on CNN right now that a victim's widow wants to hold Open AI accountable for the Florida state shooting because he asked chat GPT when he caused the most amount of damage. And he's the chat GPT said, "Go when there's a lot of kids present."
>> Yep.
>> So, speaking of AI. Yeah. All right. Um, look, the Trump administration launched a new website, mom.gov, in honor of Mother's Day, designated designed to offer health advice to pregnant women.
Uh, we're going to talk about that after the break.
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>> The allnew inside sources. Inside sources, your inside access to the people and policies shaping Utah's future. Here are Greg Scoris and Holly Richardson on KSL News Radio. Well, do we actually care about maternal health here in the United States? The Trump administration says it's taken a new approach to help improve maternal health care. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy says this is how you make America healthy again.
>> I have mixed feelings about this, but look, sure. Sure. I'm a fan of saying we want to make sure that moms are healthy and kids and babies. Like, we want people to be healthy. Of course we do.
Right. So, what's a little bit eyebrow raising on this is it's if you go to the link, it's moms.gov. It it's got this picture of a pregnant mom, of course, and it talks about uh pregnancy centers and quick nutrition facts, including folic acid. I think that's good advice.
And then it says, look, you need to start doing Trump accounts. Um whi which I mean, you may or may not think that's a good thing, Trump accounts. And then it starts to pitch Trump RX on lowerric prescription medications.
>> There you go.
>> I was like, wait, what? What are you doing?
>> Yeah. What we're talking about is a Trump administration launching a website, moms.com, yesterday, Mother's Day, in an effort to help pro provide resources to expecting women and their families. The STI site's tagline says it addresses the needs of mothers and fathers who face difficult or unexpected pregnancies and ensuring the well-being of mothers and the health of American families. It sounds good. I mean, the the the program sounds good. It's just maybe the way that it's carried out >> and it's moms.gov, but um it it leaves out some things that I think are important. So, this month, May, is m is mental health awareness month. It also specifically, I can't remember if it's this week or if it was last week, maternal mental health awareness week. I think it actually is this week. And and it's one of the issues that I don't really see addressed, right? Maternal mental health challenges. And we're talking about uh during pregnancy and during the postpartum period. They're like the death rate for postpartum moms is way higher than it should be. And some of that is related to women who are taking their own lives because the during this postpartum period, right?
It's not it's not in the United in Utah at least. Let me just say that in Utah at least, it's not just because there's a medical complication right after birth. Although we as a nation are much worse than most of the rest of the developed world when it comes to maternal mortality, women dying shortly after childirth. And I'll say this too, sorry.
>> No, no, no, you're good. that it is uh significantly worse for women of color.
Much much worse.
>> Yeah. Like something like three times worse.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah.
>> So your take is that this is something that would have been better addressed for something in this >> well to be something that should have been right >> to be more inclusive. So I will applaud the administration for saying we want moms to have a resource, you know, where they can go if they if they're worried and they can find information. But I will also say that this has been a a health department that has undercut the use of SSRIs for example to treat mental health or the use of vaccinations. And now we know that babies are dying from uh vi from bleeding from a vitamin K deficiency. Babies are born without a high level of vitamin K on board. it comes naturally later on, but we're seeing an increase in infant uh newborn neonatal deaths from bleeding disorders, right? So, so I'm a little skeptical of the advice here.
So, um I mean obviously this hits near and dear to you because of your experience as a as a midwife, but um there are a lot of things that that pregnant women need to hear about and that are important and maybe the Trump administration got off a little bit on some things, but there are other things you probably wish they would have addressed as well as mental health challenges.
>> Yeah. So, look, I I do think that there's some good decent information on here. I will say that it's pretty high level. So for example, if you look at breastfeeding, uh making the decision uh breast milk is the perfect food for your baby.
Breastfeeding saves lives, money, and time. And then breastfeeding may be natural, but it's a skill that takes practice. All I'm saying is that is not a lot of information. It's very very superficial. Right? So yes, these there are pieces out here that are that are good. I would also say people really need to turn to their care providers, whoever they've chosen to use as a care provider, and say, "Okay, what information is it that I need to know?"
Um, every once in a while you'll see a story, in fact, there was a story of the Utah family who was back out for the Boston Marathon, and she had a baby 10 weeks early in Boston, and she went under the advisement of a physician who's like, "I think you're fine to go um 10 weeks early, but then went into labor and had a baby two and a half months early." Right? So, you don't want to have a baby on the plane and and you do your best, but but to look on a a website, for example, and just say, "Okay, well, I'm going to take my information from right here that says um getting rest when possible and eating healthy foods is good for me." Yes. Yes, it is. Yes.
>> Breastfeeding is good.
>> Yes. Provides >> and and it's not.
>> Sometimes it's hard and sometimes there's complications and sometimes, you know, there it's a lot more uncomfortable, painful than mom's anticipated. I'm just saying it's a good start, but it's, you know, I I wish that if you were going to do a site where you can point moms that that it were even more uh robust than it is.
>> Yeah. So, so like what I mean >> like the mental health for example or where to turn if you are worried about um potential complications. I mean when we talk about maternal mortality in the United States and people who die not from the mental health uh potential causes but from emergency complications right after birth. We are still looking at uh hemorrhage women bleeding to death. We are looking at um preeclampsia, so blood pressure related problems during pregnancy and and those can lead to potentially people throwing a a clot or something that can cause moms to to die. And and I have a I have a friend right now whose daughter just gave birth and had to spend five days in ICU after that. Couldn't even see her newborn, right? In different state, but no visiting privileges for the baby.
just trying to keep her alive.
I think we sometimes think birth is safe. It is as safe as life gets, but there can be complications. So anyway, >> so when so when you saw this announcement yesterday, the website moms.gov uh coming out to help provide resources to expecting women, what were you what did you what were your first thoughts?
>> Uh >> I mean, you probably gave it the benefit of the doubt.
>> I mean, what like why are they doing this? Yeah. I mean, so So, so yeah, look, you're you're not supposed to smoke while you're pregnant. You're not supposed to drink alcohol while you're pregnant. There there's just there's some stuff like that. That's all good information, right?
>> Right. I guess for me, I want to see more about um how do we support moms?
We're in a child care crisis, for example. So, >> is are we not talking about child care because we are expecting that moms are going to stay home with their kids? I was lucky enough to be able to do that.
Yeah, it takes a lot of sacrifices, but we still had the financial ability for me to do that. A lot of families just don't have that anymore, right? And so, so that's a problem. In fact, child care in Utah is one of the things that just comes up over and over and over as being an issue that impacts families and family size in the state of Utah. So, I know that the the administration is trying to say, how do we increase the fertility rate? How do we get people having more babies um in the country?
and and I think this is probably one way to head that direction. I'm just not sure it's going to get us there.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I wasn't sure what to take of this either. That's why I was interested in your your perspective on it just because of where you've been and what you what you've learned. But, I mean I mean I don't know. It sounds like a good idea. Health and Human Services is behind it. Robert F. Kennedy. But it it you know saying the things that we all learned in high school about yeah, >> don't smoke, don't drink, breast breastfeeding is good doesn't really help anybody. But here's but here's another issue, right? If we know that black women are at least three times more likely to die from childirth than white women, how do you follow that information when you're not allowed to define women as black anymore? Right?
Because we're anti-Dei. So look, I know that's simplistic, but that is one of the issues that you're facing. If you stop tracking that data, you're not going to get the right picture.
>> Interesting. Yeah. Because you can't track the data because it's all in one giant conglomerate.
>> Right. Yeah. right? Then you're not tracking the you're not asking the right questions and you're not tracking the right kind of data. So I think that's super interesting. Um I think it's interesting and one of the things I don't really see on here and I admittedly haven't spent a ton of time um but I have looked over the whole thing. I haven't seen choosing a care provider for example. So I haven't seen one that says look here are the different kinds of care providers you may choose. One thing that I have seen research on is black women going to black care providers usually have a better rate of surviving pregnancy and child birth. And also black women who are going to midwives. In fact, there's a national midwife. Her name is Jenny Joseph, but she she has done a lot of work with um really high-risisk populations of black women, and she has dropped their prematurity rate and and maternal mortality rate down to the at least the same level as white women.
>> Wow.
>> Right. And and so some of it has to be like, how do you choose a care provider?
What are the kinds of questions you ask?
What should I know? If I want to reduce my maternal mortality rate because I'm a woman of color, where should I go?
That's not there.
>> Well, I'm glad we were able to get your perspective on that. That was really interesting.
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>> Without any question whatsoever, Holly, the greatest band of all time is the Beatles. And so when we were about to bring the segment out, I learned that our producer Andy, who I love, doesn't like the Beatles, but he's okay with Eleanor Rigby. Not a bad song, but not my favorite either. But anyway, this is this is for you, Andy.
It's a beautiful and I'm surprised you didn't you didn't know this one either.
>> Did you?
>> Um I didn't recognize it by the name, but I recognized the tune.
>> Look, I think it's an age thing for you and I cuz I thought the Beatles were great. I I still some of their songs are so iconic, right? So >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. How do you How do you >> And their and their album cover where they're walking across the street. I see people recreate that one all the time.
Right. You've got the >> walking across Abby Road to the studio there.
>> All right. Well, they're heading back to one of their most famous sites in London for a brand new fan experience.
>> Yeah. ABC's Brian Clark says it's not a concert hall or stadium.
>> Row London is one of music's most iconic addresses.
>> It's the headquarters of Apple Core in charge of the Beatles business operations, and the Fab Four performed from the building's roof in January 1969. That turned out to be their final public performance. Next year, the public can visit the building for a sevenstory exhibition, the Beatles at three Savile Row. It includes access to the roof. More details are coming about dates and prices. Brian Clark, ABC News.
>> That would be a reason for me to go to London. It absolutely would.
>> Look, I am telling you, I'm looking at the Associated Press article about this.
Here's my here's my reaction because they have Paul McCartney and Ringoar who both gave statements and I'm like, are they still alive? Yeah, those are the only two that are still alive.
>> Oh, plus their heart and Harrison both past.
>> Yeah. Look, I've been to London. I haven't been for I don't know, it's been a little bit more than a decade and I went on like the London Eye, which is like super great. I would totally go and see something like this.
>> Oh, yeah. Well, I'll tell you what. I'm surprised you haven't seen this. The very best show I have ever seen in Las Vegas, maybe the very best show I've ever seen anywhere was Love at Interesting. And it was it I've I've seen it twice, maybe three times. I don't I've seen it like I took my wife, I took my daughter, you know what I mean? I was like one of those >> I've never seen a show in Vegas at all.
Period.
>> Oh, it circked us so long. They're all their shows are off the charts.
Incredible. But Love is I think that's what it's called. Anyway, it was the best show I've ever seen.
>> Well, >> I took my daughter. She cried the whole time >> because we listened to the Beatles when she was a kid.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> And Andy's parents deprived him of >> Okay. I do have a few fun facts. This one will not apply to you, unfortunately. But today is May 11th and it is National Eat What You Want Day.
>> Yeah, I'm on a diet. It's working. It's great. And and I eat well. No complaints at all, but I'm not going to go home.
I'm not going to go have a big old donut right now.
>> That is so funny. So, um it's just it's really funny. So, uh I look at nationaltoday.com to find, you know, the different days and there's like a bazillion every day. Not really, but there's at least a dozen it feels like.
So, so this one, it actually said that they did a survey. If you didn't have to worry about the consequences, what is the number one food that you would eat?
What do you think it would be?
>> Um, chocolate.
>> No, actually, it's pizza, which surprised me.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Number two is pasta, and number three is burgers. So, you don't get down. You don't even Chocolate is number six, actually. But only 9% of people said if they could eat anything they wanted they would eat chocolate only 9%.
>> What do you mean anything you want pizza? Like >> I know if they didn't have to worry about the consequences. That's how it was free. So it could be dietary like you got heartburn. Like I don't know.
But >> um and then anyway it just goes on from there. Pizza, pasta, and burgers. So >> anyway, today's national eat what you want day.
>> Um also on May 11th, I did want to say this. It's interesting. Um this is a fun fact, not related. Well, actually, it is related to May 10th because it was today, it was yesterday, actually, that the sun rose above the horizon in the northernmost city in the United States.
It's a city in Alaska. I cannot pronounce its name. Um, but it came up at 2:57 in the morning. It won't set again for 84 days. The sun will not drop below the horizon.
>> See, it goes down to the horizon. It comes back up. It never goes very high either, but it's just like >> it will not go back down until August 2nd. And then you know of course that the reverse is in the winter. I'm sure they have like 84 days in the winter where they don't see the sun at all.
>> See the sun?
>> Yeah.
>> So um Okay. On this day in 1888, Irving Berlin was born. Do you know where he was born? He was born in Russia.
>> Oh.
>> Did you know that?
>> No, I didn't.
>> Yeah. Irving Berlin. So why is he famous for all of our youngans listening?
>> Great musician. Yeah. He wrote the >> That's right.
>> Yeah.
>> Great composer. Yeah.
>> Um, okay. So, in 1906, Jacqueline Cochran was born. She became the first female pilot to break the sound barrier.
That happened in 1953.
And when she died in 1980, she held more records than any other pilot, male or female, in history, at least up to that date. And she said, "Adventure is a state of mind and spirit."
>> Good for her. Yeah, good for her.
>> I have another one.
>> Okay. In 1934, this was when a massive dust storm swept across the Great Plains and it lifted millions of tons of top soil um from because they had gone through, right? And there was nothing there anchoring it anymore. It was the Great Dust Bowl. But it was on this day in 1934 that that was, >> you know, you know what else it lifted?
uh >> Dorothy her house went up and it lifted it so high that it landed in awe and the rest is history.
>> All right. All right.
>> So the dust storm had a silver silver lining.
>> So there's actually two uh Nazi Germany related facts about May 11th in in 1960.
Israeli soldiers captured Adolf Iikman in Buenes Ares in Argentina where he had fled. And it was in 1987 that the butcher of Leon, the former Gustapo chief Klaus Barbie, he was finally charged with war crimes on this day in May 11th, right? Which I think is is interesting and sad, but also that sometimes actions they're going to follow you and and they did. Right.
>> So the war ends in the 40s. They >> in in the 40s like 45man in 60. So he he lived for 15 years >> in Buenosares.
>> Yeah. And then uh >> the butcher >> Barbie. Yep. In 1987, 1987, >> 40 years after his horrific acts.
>> So in 1981 is the day that Bob Marley died. He he died really young. He was only 36 if you remember. He was the Jamaican reggae musician and he had brain and lung cancer and passed away in his mid30s.
>> Yeah. And he's a legend. I mean you hear his music now and you still you can recognize his voice and his his method all the time. And then before you do your closing arguments, I have one joke for you and it's related to all our talk that we've done on AI. So what's the opposite of artificial intelligence?
>> Tell me.
>> Natural stupidity.
There you go. Well, on that note, I'm going to say this. Um, the Utah legislature created two new judgeships in the Supreme Court and raised the number of judges, justices from five to seven. And there are 12 names that are before the governor right now. There's going to be another position opening, too. All 12 of those names happen to be men. Now, I'm not going to say anything other than that's probably a troubling stat, and it's something that really shouldn't be happening, and I'll tell you a reason that I think it's happening. Um, two judges, one at the district level and one at the Supreme Court level, had the courage uh to do the right thing. We're talking about uh Judge Gibson and Judge Hagen and took such scrutiny for what they did that I think it's going to be difficult for women in the future to say I've got this cushy job. I'm making a lot of money, but I'd really like to serve the public and take a cut in pay and go be a judge. When they know that they'll be under a radar, they'll be under a microscope like no man is in Utah. And I've only, like I say, I've said this 100 times. I've only done so 44 years. But what we do with women in the judiciary in this state is inexcusable. And and I feel horrible because the every judge has the same issues before them. They have the same law before them. They have the same constitution before them. And they issued opinions based on what they have.
And when when they issue opinions that somebody doesn't like, it's easy to take shots at them. And I I just hope that we're not having a chilling effect on having great women serve in the judiciary because I was so proud of the fact that our our Supreme Court was a majority women was three 3-2 for women.
Never in our history. It's not going to be that way again. There's no chance it will be that way again anytime soon because we just lost one and we're going to pick up two men. Y >> So, and and there's going to be another opening for Diana Hagen's position. I'm still sick about the fact that she left the bench. I I I wish she hadn't, but she did.
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