HANTAVIRUS: NEW PANDEMIC? Major Outbreak On Cruise Ship, 3 Suspected Cases in UK | DR MAHDAVI MD

Added: 2026-05-17

[00:00:00]for having me on.

[00:00:01]>> Okay, I want to welcome Dr. Atusa to the show. She is a medical professional. She had did speak about COVID when that happened and now we have the habirus and so I thought who's better to have on then Dr. Atusa to talk about this issue.

[00:00:14]Dr. Thanks for joining us. How are you?

[00:00:16]>> Of course. Yes, I'm doing all right. Um do you want me to answer your question or you want me to start talking about?

[00:00:23]>> No, I'll I'll let me let me ask you a question. So antivirus explain it to us what what first before we get into you know the severity of it or whatever what is the hirus okay so it's a zunotic virus meaning it basically infects um animals in the case of antivirus rodents mice rats things of that nature and um in general it's a let's say it's a riboucleic um virus it's an RNA virus because we have different classes of viruses. Some of them are double strand RNA, some of them are single strand RNA, some are DNA viruses. So this one falls into the single strand RNA virus. So RNA viruses mutate quite fast, very mutable, if you want to call it that. um uh and some are highly transmissible and some aren't highly transmissible and ha virus falls in the category of not highly transmissible.

[00:01:34]Is there not Oh, sorry. Is there not a version I believe the version that's going out from Argentina is a one that can be transmitted from human to human.

[00:01:42]Is that right?

[00:01:43]>> Sure. So, so there are and basically reportedly two types of hunter viruses.

[00:01:50]One that uh basically jumps from rodents to humans. So, it's animal or rodent to human. And then this strain or variant that they say actually jumps from human to human it's not researched well and it its origin goes to South America specifically Argentina and Chile and um basically the way they came up with that during an endemic uh in the South America, Chile, Argentina there was a strain that became an endemic. So they let's say traced it through the humans that were infected and then they the world health organization made a conclusion that is transmissible from this strain which is the Andes strain they call it the Andes strain goes from human to human but it's based on a tracking and tracing report from the region and so it's questionable that it if the Andes strain really is a human to human transmission.

[00:03:00]Um so yes there are um re there is a report that world organization has put out that says the and the strain and is a strain it's um human to human but um most of these um hunter viruses are actually not human to human.

[00:03:18]>> So if you can tell the audience the story of what happened with this virus.

[00:03:22]I believe there was a cruise ship from Argentina.

[00:03:26]I believe eight people are dead or three people are dead. If you could just elaborate what's happening. Okay.

[00:03:31]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, this is a older ship. It's a ocean cruiser. It's an older ship. It's not one of the newer ships that basically uh was um in that region of Argentina, etc. And um in the 10th day of the cruise, one passenger who is a male 70year-old passes away on the ship. But still there was no understanding of the causation of the death. 70 yearear-old dies. He was traveling with his wife.

[00:04:09]And so they um basically get the both of them off of the ship and within a couple of days or so the wife also feels sick, goes to they uh put her in a hospital in Johannesburg and she also passes away by this time. they're um they're able to do some testing and then then they um associate the cause of death to the hunter virus and the strain that is and is a strain and that is supposedly human to human but we have to be skeptical about the human to human aspect of it and not just take it as face value and so a lot of you know historically speaking ships cruise ships um Industrial ships that navigate the oceans and the waters have always been a place for mice and rat infestation.

[00:05:06]And generally it's so easy for uh that to become a basically a a space in which transmission from rodents to humans becomes possible very much so on the ship. So, is it possible that the ship picked up a rat or a mice when it docks in different uh areas in the South America area or in other areas? Is it possible that the rat or the mice got into the uh produce, the boxes of fruits and vegetables or grains, etc. that are um basically uh transported to the ship and and then infected the food material because how it's transmitted from rodents to humans is by their ex excrement. So meaning saliva, urine, feces and so if this becomes airborne or let's say if this particles get into food or someone touches a surface and then starts eating something etc. This is how it's mainly transmitted. And so is it possible that there was a rat or a infected mice on the ship that caused the animal to human transmission and not so much human to human? So eight people are dead. Um I'm sorry, eight people are infected. Eight people from the ship are infected and three people are passed have passed away. So I'm also I read that this uh h virus has spread to a number of places. I think there's three cases in the United Kingdom and a few other cases in a number of areas. What's the reason for that?

[00:06:57]So if you uh look at CDC's data there have been from the '9s from 19 mid 1990s to the current time there have been 800 cases of hanto virus 800 that's not a lot actually because if you compare it to the influenza infections the common cold infections etc this is really a nominal number. Now during endemics in different regions uh even different states I had the stats um yeah even like in um so there have been hto viruses in California in the past there have been hto viruses uh in Arizona uh so it this is not New Mexico so there have always been cases but there are very few and generally it's a animal to human transmission and it when it's treated early it doesn't cause death. So I'm not surprised if there are a few cases here and there that doesn't mean that they are the Andes strain that is human to human and even if it's the Andy strain that is human to human even that the transmissibility is really low you have to either live with the person or be in very close quarters to actually get it. It's not like influenza that you know you could be out there and you could be you know in a not necessarily living with anybody or intimate with anybody. This even the human to human strain which is the Andes strain is not that transmissible which is a good news. It's always been with hto viruses that because they're not transmissible, highly transmissible, they're not that they usually do not cause a pandemic. This is all well known and will research on CDC Mayo Mayo Clinic even World Health Organization.

[00:09:08]So if they start start to ramp up the rhetoric that there are cases here, cases there, we have to be mindful that is it a fear-mongering again just like they did for uh the corona virus that there was a cruise ship and people were dying and getting and the mishandling of this situation on the cruise ship is also mindboggling because if it is human to human, as they say, they should get everybody off the ship because they're keeping them in closed rooms, closed quarters, small ship, small rooms. From the reports that I have seen, they're not letting them get on the deck to be exposed to fresh air and sunlight.

[00:09:58]So, of course, transmissibility is going to be high because they're getting circulated air through the vents, ventilation system on the ship in different small rooms. And obviously, this is going to cause more infected cases on the ship, which is exactly what happened during the Corona virus on the the first cruise liners that were having this. Um and so we got to be mindful of it when they start to ramp up. There are cases here, there are cases. There have always been cases of honto virus from rodents to humans. When they're treated fine, nobody needs to die. If it becomes a hemorrhagic fever, um there is a strain of hunter virus that is called hemorrhagic fever.

[00:10:50]It's a South Korean strain, meaning the first time that it was noticed or um classified uh was in South Korea during the during an endemic and it causes uh hemorrhagic fever or internal bleeding which ultimately caused uh kidney failure and massive numbers of death. And so, but this is not that strain. This is not that strain. And so, I'm hearing there's uh the death rate and I I haven't verified this. My brother was like, "Oh my god, oh my god." H I'm hearing the death rate is like one in three. Is that right? Is it is not such a high?

[00:11:29]>> So no not from my research and not from the data I have seen.

[00:11:35]>> So there the gap is so big that you start to wonder if this is actually there is something behind it. So if you study uh literature the death rate is anywhere from 5% to 30%.

[00:11:54]5. How do you determine that? How you determine that is by the individual who was infected. Are they older? Do they have comorbid conditions? Meaning multiple other chronic health issues like heart disease, diabetes, kidney issues, etc. a congestive heart failure, whatever, you know, so on and so forth.

[00:12:18]Also, treatment. How early did they engage in treatment?

[00:12:24]Then if if you engage early treatment, then people can survive. Now, these people on this ship even now they're not even being treated like they're not even being given preventative medicine.

[00:12:40]They're not even allowed to be in open air. So even for COVID, they told them come to the hospital when you're blue in the face. That has never been a protocol. Like you don't wait until someone has shortness of breath, respiratory syndrome or plur plural eusion which means your lungs are now the spaces that hold your lungs are full of fluid or a cardiac eusion that has sipped into now the the sack that holds the heart. or plumeary edema meaning the alvoli or the bubbles kind of uh that are cells in the lungs that do the oxygenation are not full of fluid. You never wait to treat people with a respiratory infection to get to that stage to treat them. And if the treatment like it was during co is rem desae and ventilation that's a recipe for disaster.

[00:13:41]They have to give them early, give them antiviral, treat the secondary bacterial infection and a lot of doctors had success with this with COVID and steroids to um prevent the lungs to become uh so inflamed that they are full of fluid and then cause respiratory distress and death and so yeah so I would take the death rate with a grain of salt.

[00:14:08]I did um read that antivirus is a possible side effect of using the vaccine. What's your have you got any information on that?

[00:14:16]>> Yeah, absolutely. So when Fizer put out their early documents, they they uh basically early on after the clinical trials etc. They put out some um possible side effects, some side effects during the trial, contraindications which included let's say autoimmune conditions even but a lot of people with autoimmune conditions when I got the vaccine because it wasn't done through u properly with informed consent. When you look at the document that said possible side effect, yes, I've seen that document and hunter virus was one of the possible side effects which is highly suspicious.

[00:15:02]>> Okay. And uh how bad is this doctor? Do we need to do we need to lock down? Do we need to keep our distance? Do I need do we need to pull some face masks out?

[00:15:12]>> So I wouldn't say no. Absolutely not. I am completely against the lockdowns. But if someone is diagnosed with ha virus that person needs to stay home just what I said during the covid-19 if you are sick and if you have respiratory cough nasal congestion etc you stay home you don't go anywhere so you don't transmit to anybody else but a public general lockdown locking down healthy people that can only make things worse now you have to make your immune system strong just like we did with COVID 19 with different supplements etc. Also, if you go to clean up your you know storage, your cabins, your shed, your attic, anywhere that you could see uh mice or rat poop um or that there's a possibility that there is mice or rat and you're going to clean it. You want to make sure that you absolutely wear a mask because what happens is it the excrement gets into the dust particles. And if you're sweeping, if you're vacuuming or you're touching surfaces, you make sure you have gloves. If you're cleaning your balcony, patio, attic, etc. yarn, whatever, where rodents can be found.

[00:16:40]You got to be disinfecting the area.

[00:16:43]Wear a mask. Make sure if any liquid gets on your clothes that you properly wash it. You don't put it with other clothes etc. You wear a mask so you don't inhale the dust particles from sweeping the excrement feces etc. because that's the way it goes from rodents to humans.

[00:17:05]I highly doubt the human to human human transmission and uh even that has a very low transmissibility.

[00:17:14]So just be you know making your immune system strong. Vitamin D3 K2, zinc, coicitine, vitamin C, high dosages of it, uh NAC, glutathione. These are the things that you need to to to to take for preventative if you get sick. Oh, by the way, the only way that they can say you actually have hunter virus if you're sick, it's not a nasal PCR.

[00:17:45]If suddenly they come up and they say the way to test it is nasal PCR run.

[00:17:51]It's not. It's corology. It's serum.

[00:17:54]It's blood or spinal fluid. cerebrros spinal fluid because this is a uh a kind of virus that is not upper respiratory only. It gets in through the blood and it goes everywhere. And so the only way they can say you have it, it is a PCR test, but they have to draw your blood.

[00:18:19]>> They have to draw your blood. then they can run a PCR on the blood to see if they find the viral RNA genetic material or if it's a chronic disease they test the blood for antibodies such as IGM and IGG.

[00:18:42]So just uh be mindful of that. If they roll out another nasal PCR, I would uh I would not go for it.

[00:18:51]>> Now, how big do you think this is going to get? And what I mean by that is obviously you're saying it's not that big but do you think this is just been making news because it's kind of like slow news information this week or do you think that this is that they are ramping up towards maybe doing something similar to what they did during co >> see because I've been in the health care profession for decades I've seen this with H1N1 with uh Mirrors Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome uh with bird flu, swine flu, etc. Um that whenever they come up with an epidemic or endemic, immediately there is talks about a vaccine, production of a vaccine. And so when I looked at Hantovirus and I looked up if there are vaccines in the making, lo and behold, there are like a few vaccines in line in production lines >> for hands. So I wouldn't put it past them that they want to make this like a bigger thing that it is to push vaccines um etc. And also you know uh creating crisis manufactured crisis to then manufacture consent for lockdowns for control tracing and tracking means of um the you know the reason for a digital ID etc etc just so you can comply. Um could this be one of those instances that their manufacturing crisis to either bring their control and domination as they have been trying um and also push vaccines possible we have to wait and see but I would say don't fall for fearongering that oh my goodness now you know there's going to be this and I have to wear mask as I go up no unless you're cleaning up those places that I already mentioned with rodent uh excrement.

[00:21:00]So um yeah um >> there are vaccines in the making and CDC has a couple of them patents. Yeah.

[00:21:09]>> Yeah. So that kind of explains the motive. Um and yeah we had a similar incident in the UK if you remember they had there was mad cow disease and there was many of these different instances right but they've never inflamed to the level of COVID and the lockdowns. Do I mean do you think they would try and I don't think they'll try something like that right because I think people are less amiable to that they wouldn't try the same thing again uh in my view but in terms of specifically this habirus do you expect it to spread a bit more or do you think it it dies down after a short period of time >> honestly my personal opinion is that it wouldn't spread uh a lot more the cases that are being seen basically fall in the same category as the general uh concept of mid 1996 to 2025 800 cases that have been symptomatic because there is another key factor about Hanto virus when there has been endemics in different regions they have actually tested individuals and um in the previous endemic of it. There were 2% of the UK that were tested that had antibodies, 3% in the US that had antibodies and 6% in Argentina that had antibodies. What does this mean? That means even during endemics or in endemic regions, there is such a low level of population with antibodies. What does that mean?

[00:22:50]That means exposure. That means exposure to the virus.

[00:22:55]So if you have such a low exposure, what does that mean? That it's not transmissible that much. And also in the same reports where I saw the statistics, some of these people that were tested with positive antibodies like the 2% 3% in US, 2% UK, 6% Argentina, some of these people weren't even symptomatic. They never developed symptoms. They never what? Which means you got exposed to the virus somehow and your own um first line defense and then second line defense of your immune system killed it on the spot. So it never made it to the point that the incubation in your body got to the degree that you develop symptoms.

[00:23:45]So that's also a I think a good uh thing to know when it comes to the question you asked about how bad do you think it will get etc. >> Interesting. Interesting. Uh one last question Dr. Atusa. Um looking at this uh you know these kind of viruses you looked at the who what's your view on the who like do you think that should be disbanded? you know there was a lot of calls for it during the previous pandemic or do you think there is certain functions that it can help with and they maybe try to overreach in certain aspects?

[00:24:19]>> Honestly I think the idea of having a global organization that dictates health policies is uh not the best way to go about uh uh basically future pandemics, endemics etc etm etc. I feel like we need to empower local health organizations um that are not funded by people like Bill Gates. Did you know that 40% of the budget of wart health organization is provided by uh the gates foundation?

[00:24:54]So there is always you know uh paytoplay quit proco etc. when it when an organization like World Health Organization um is funded by private entities that are highly invested in pharmaceutical industry and so uh there are certain policies by World Health Organization that are fantastic but then when it comes to pandemics and controlling dictating globally what happens I'm against any global dictation when it comes to our health policy. So I would say that it's a smart to pull out of them uh but then also empower local like CDC FDA but then make them a nationalized organization not a private entity. CDC is a private entity and so they get a lot of their funding from again in people who are invested in pharmaceutical industry and the IND medical industrial complex and so yeah >> so Dr. Tusa thank you for joining us I know you've got a Amazon best-seller book called Holy You. What's that all what's the book about?

[00:26:15]>> Holy you. Yeah. So it's uh basically about health and wellness but from a holistic perspective all of you whole of you mind body spirit and also um it has different tools small steps that each individual can take on their own in each chapter to make sure they optimize their health and they understand key signals of health in their own body and so they can be more preventative in their approach to their health and optimizing health instead of relying on the medical induction complex and having symptom eradication with you know any little thing. You take a pill, you do medical intervention. So uh there are a lot of practical concepts in the book that uh people can um take into their lifestyle and daily routines including detox very simple detox daily routines that enhance your circadian rhythm and uh perfect timing for different activities. all researched all you know I have citations for research that basically people can um benefit from knowing that it's scientifically based.

[00:27:31]>> Awesome. That sounds like a pretty cool book. I think my mom would love that as well. Much love. Appreciate it. Thank you so much for taking your time out to join us. Dr. Tusa always appreciate you and thank you for coming on.

[00:27:41]>> It's my pleasure. I appreciate you as well.

[00:27:43]>> Thank you so much. That was Dr. Atusa.

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