Social norms are unwritten rules that guide behavior in different contexts, and what seems 'weird' or a 'red flag' often depends on context, cultural expectations, and personal boundaries. The hosts demonstrate that behaviors like clipping nails in public or wearing socks to bed may be judged differently based on setting (public vs. private), age, and cultural background. Understanding these social dynamics helps us navigate relationships and interactions more effectively, recognizing that what appears unusual to one person may be normal to another.
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The Pooya and Liana Lounge | Red Flag or Just Weird?Added:
Hello everybody and welcome back to the Puya and Lyanna Lounge. We are on route and this is episode number 66.
>> So welcome in. I am one half your host Puya. The person who's not paying attention to you and is on our phone.
The other co-host >> I'm prepping my game for later.
>> Well, that should have been done earlier.
>> Okay, I'm sorry. No, >> that's fine. You know what you should be sorry about is what I'm about to put you on blast for.
>> Wait put me on blast for. So today, me being the clean person I am, >> Yeah.
>> I was taking out the trash.
>> Yeah.
>> And I opened the trash. Like we have a bin in our garage to put our recycling in one, trash in the other.
>> Yeah.
>> I go to put the trash away.
>> Yeah.
>> There's a paper bag at the bottom of the bin.
>> Yeah.
>> For bagels.
>> Yeah.
>> You went for bagels without me. And then you discreetly eliminated the evidence like some weirdo. First of all, that bag is full of other trash as well, which is why it went in the trash.
>> Sure.
>> And two, that was like weeks ago.
>> If someone murdered a year ago >> and then gets caught for murder now, it's still murder.
>> If I'm at work and I'm hungry and I run out and grab a quick bite, >> am I under am I obliged to always pick you up something?
>> No, there's no bagel etiquette. This is >> okay. But then explain to me why I'm in trouble or you're putting you're putting me on blast was the specific word that was used.
>> You know why? Cuz you hid it.
>> First of all, do you want me to tell you every single thing I eat every single day? I'll tell you what I ate today.
>> When I when I No, no, no.
>> I poked a hole in the leftover Chipotle salsa. So, I ended up eating >> unbecoming of a doctor what you're doing right now.
>> You're like, you know what you're doing.
I'm just laying it all out there so we're all on the same page.
>> No, you're being obtuse.
>> I just need here's what I need. I just need you to tell me when I have to tell you things.
>> No, you don't have to tell me anything.
You But then when I'm like, "So, what what what happened at work?" Or, "How was your day?"
>> Yeah.
>> These are part of your day.
>> Okay. All right. Ask Okay. Let's try Let's try Ask Ask me.
>> Ask you what? How was your day?
>> Ask me how my day was.
>> How was your day?
>> Okay. Well, my day was good. I poked a hole in the lid of the leftover salsa that we had from our Thursday's lunch.
And so, it was going to go bad because there was no other container for me to put it in. So, I felt like I needed to eat the whole thing of salsa. So, I did.
I ate it was like this big, just like the tomatoes, you know, the pico deayo.
So, I ate I ate I ate that because I poked a hole in it with my thumb in the container. That was my day. That was how my day went.
So, aren't you glad you asked?
>> Mad weird.
>> Well, I poked a hole in it with my thumb and then I was like, "What do I do?" And then I panicked and then I was like, "Well, there's a hole in it. It's got air. It's going to go bad. I have to eat it." And it was already from Tuesday, so it was already like a couple days old.
It needed to go anyway.
So, I ate like a pound of tomatoes for lunch.
I was only gonna have some.
That's how my day went. Actually, you want to hear the other thing that happened to me today?
>> Sure.
>> So, first of all, this morning you were like, "You should go to Caribou today.
You deserve it." And you know what? I took that to heart. And I'm telling you that I did it so that we're all on the same page. But you also gave me permission to go to Caribou.
>> Permission. Okay.
>> Sometimes you need a nudge is what what I found. Not permission.
>> You gave me a nudge to go to Caribou. So I went to Caribou. I spent the whole drive there. I was like, "Am I going to get a hot coffee? Am I going to get a cold coffee? What am I going to get?"
Ended up going with a hot coffee just in case anybody was curious. It's a little bit of a chilly morning. And I'm sitting there and I'm waiting for my coffee. And all of a sudden, I hear this sound.
Click, click, click. It is the unconfusable sound of someone clipping their nails in a caribou coffee. You know that sound, the nail clipper clipping sound.
>> Yeah. So, I start hearing that and I first benefit of the doubt, I was like, maybe there's another thing that makes that exact same sound.
>> Couldn't help myself. Started looking around.
a patron sitting uh in a chair just casually clipping their nails in the store.
No like towel down, napkin down to like collect the little nail clippings. Just clipping away >> and then what at the end >> onto the ground?
>> Nope. In front onto the carpet. Must have been onto the carpet cuz they were holding their hand out. It wasn't even on the table. It was like they were sitting in a chair that didn't have like cuz you know how some coffee shops have like just like lounge chairs or whatever with like round also by the way also still waiting like this person was waiting for a coffee as well. Okay. And he's just clip clip clip clip clip clip >> filthy >> just I couldn't believe it. And I've heard stories of people being like ew that person was clipping their nails in public. Gross. And I was like that's so gross. I'm never going to see that ever in my life.
>> If someone did it outside I would be like I wouldn't think twice. Oh, like if it was in nature, sure. We're made of nature. We go back to nature. I feel like >> nature parking lot, same thing. Like that would be fine >> inside, especially a food place.
>> Yes. That was my argument as well, which was like, first of all, indoors in a place you don't live, sir. Unacceptable, but extra unacceptable if you are in a food establishment.
>> I mean, like, you got your life must not be together if you're doing that. The thing was is like, okay, this might sound a little bit judgmental. What >> you're about to judge them based on how they were dressed, >> but they weren't dressed poor. Like he was dressed like fine, like norm like like well like not business like like business cas. But yeah, he had like like jeans, a te like a a button-up shirt and like a kind of jackety thing, >> you know. How old did this person look?
>> I would say 50s if I had to guess. Oh, red flag.
>> Wait, what?
>> Because if they were like in their 20s, they might be going on a date. They forgot to clip their nails. They're doing it immed like >> it was like 7:30 in the morning.
>> Yeah, but like if you're 20some, I'd be willing to forgive because people are stupid when they're younger. 50 is unexcusable. What was nuts was he was in front of me in line and was like or he thought he was getting in front of me in line, but I was just waiting for my order. And he was like, "Oh, I'm so sorry." Like he extra polite to me. He was like, "Oh, I'm so sorry.
Did I cut you off?" And I was like, "No, no, I'm waiting for my order. You can go ahead." Cuz it's kind of a small establishment, so the lines of pickup and order are like kind of close together. And I was probably a little bit too ambiguous in the middle. So I shifted over. He went ahead. He ordered.
It was like again to the the conversation conversation the one speaking interaction I had with this person completely normal but then clipping away at least and I can't believe I'm going to say this at least it was his fingernails and not his toenails. Imagine >> if you're getting the dogs out that's a step too far.
>> If you're wearing sandals and the dogs are already out it's still gross. Like regardless, >> is it more gross if you are wearing sandals and you bring your foot up with sandal to clip the toenails or is it worse if you take the sandal off?
>> I I think it's worse if you take the sandal off for some reason. Even though it doesn't make that big of a deal, >> even though to me it's a wild idea to have a sandal strapped onto your foot >> while you clip your toenails.
>> Yeah, that seems weird. Um, but I think you also got to remind yourself, yeah, you're you're naming all these good qualities this person had >> and they clipped their toenails. The reality is everyone that looks and acts great has a flaw. This is his flaw.
>> That's a Do you think it's like a kink?
>> No. A flaw and a kink do not equal the same thing.
>> It's I didn't say that they were the same thing. I'm just throwing it out as a possibility.
>> Well, like >> it was 7:30 in the morning.
>> Some people like doing it in public.
This guy gets off like >> Yeah. done clipping his nails in public.
>> You know what's crazy?
>> Okay, so I've had this issue where like I'll snag a nail on something and it really really bothers me and I don't keep nail clippers with me, but I do have my Swiss Army knife which has a little like um scissor on it in the privacy of my own car.
>> In our car, >> I have a little trash container.
>> Ew.
>> I emptied it in the bagel thing, but there's no there were no nails in there.
It happens very very rarely.
>> Did you empty it immediately or did you let it accumulate before you emptied it?
>> Disgusting.
That is nasty.
>> Okay. But I'm not saying >> your nail remnant just sat in our car for weeks.
>> It was one time and it was just a little snag. It was like a little >> audacity. There is such a big difference between me taking a teeny tiny of tiny chunk of my nail off and putting it in a trash bin versus this person in a food establishment clipping all five. Well, I think they did all 10, but they at least did the five that I saw. Five nails, not even in a garbage, just on the floor in a coffee shop.
>> That's different. You can't look me in the eye and tell me those two things are equivalent. I'm not saying they're equivalent, but like they're both in the top 100. Just yours is like 98th and theirs is like top 15.
>> I'm sorry. Top 100.
>> You I'm just saying you are not absolved of sin here.
>> Look, I'm not saying I'm perfect. Okay, appropriate. If I left a coffee cup in our car, lid on, coffee cup, >> you'd be like, "Gross. You didn't get rid of the coffee cup."
>> Meanwhile, you have kept body remnants in the car.
>> If the coffee cup is in one of the two cup holders, I'll be annoyed because it's taking the cup holders, not because it's garbage.
>> You don't need one of them is mine.
>> I need both cup holders. One for my coffee and one for my water.
It's my car.
>> Oh, it's your car.
>> My cup holders.
>> Our car. I thought last I said >> it's your It's your car in the sense that you're the passenger princess of our car. This is true. That is correct.
>> So anyway, that was how uh my day started was with nail clipping man at a caribou coffee.
>> So >> lovely.
>> Yeah. Yep. But speaking of weird things to have happened, you had a Twitch stream on Tuesday where you made yourself who's a little weirdo.
>> I Okay, so I started a game called Tomodachi Life. It's currently the big thing on the Nintendo Switch and Switch 2.
>> So I my chat encouraged me to try this game out. I bought it and then proceeded to start a stream with it on Tuesday where the basic explanation of this game is that it's a simulation. So, you'll create characters, you put them in, and then the game kind of and you put in like relationship statuses, connections, and then personality traits, and then the game takes that and runs with it.
I made Lyanna's character from scratch, okay? including I was the only sole contributor to all her stats and all her personality traits, everything. Lyanna then had the same opportunity to do that for me and has created the weirdest person um that would never do anything I'm doing. It's so weird and so offputting.
>> I would like to remind you that when we read the description of the personality based on the traits that I put in, everyone agreed it was very >> including me. But then the actions don't match the explanation.
>> First of all, on the quirky scale, because that's one of the attributes that you can change for your characters.
I But >> I was significantly more quirky on the quirky scale versus what I put for you.
So that's not my fault as far as I'm concerned. I'm just saying I think that it's reflective of your true personality.
That's unfair because I know you found some of it off-putting and then by that definition you find me offputting.
>> So >> sometimes >> when >> not clipping your nails.
>> Okay. You either have a problem with someone clipping their nails and a problem with someone not click a lane here.
>> No, I would say that it was Okay. So, some of the weird things that Puya, little Puya in the game was doing was you he went up to character Lyanna and then made his face look like Lyanna's face.
>> It was being creepy.
>> It was kind of weird. I think it was supposed to indicate that you were mirroring me.
>> Yes, I was mimicking you.
>> Yeah. So, I don't think that it's not like you actually made your face my face. It was just to show that you were trying to mirror and mimic and like create a connection. So I don't think that that was inherently like >> the thing is like typically with copycat behavior, you don't do it upon like the first couple of times you meet someone.
That might be something you do down the line.
>> No, you do it immediately from when you meet somebody. I start mimicking as soon as I meet somebody because that's actually the time I mimic the most because I'm in unfamiliar territory. I can learn about that.
>> No, there's subtle mimicry and then there's intense like like basically you know >> what >> what >> Okay.
>> Okay. Well, obviously not that.
>> I can't that sounds. That's fun.
>> That's fun.
>> I like to cut my >> nails.
>> No.
>> Um, >> I was going to try to get you to admit to something. I would say the weirdest thing that your character did that was actually weird was basically as soon as you made little Puya, he just like kept squatting down. Yeah, weird go sit like Lyanna character went to go sit on the fountain and Puya just >> because I built Lyanna very delicately and paid attention to detail and you went captain halfass on making my character.
>> First of all, I was tired in Lyanna's defense.
>> So, I'm tired right now. Look at me delivering.
>> Okay. Well, did you work a 11-hour day before streaming?
>> Why must you keep throwing that in our face? I'm trying to put some context for this situation.
>> Well, eight of those hours are mandatory. Three of them are optional.
>> I mean, what is really mandatory when you're salaried? Because I don't think I have hours listed in my contract.
>> No.
>> So, yolo.
I'm just going to stop showing up. We're going to see what happens.
Oh, by the way, thank you to everybody who messaged me. I feel a thousand times better than I did last week. I feel like things are on the up and up. Things are improving.
We got our mindset straight. Just as Devon said, if you look for joy, great things will happen. So, we're finding that joy.
>> Cool.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, back to your Tomodachi life. Is there anything else you want to say about your little Tomodachis?
>> No.
>> I'm amazing and Tomodachi life.
>> Check out the stream. We're doing it every Tuesday for the foreseeable future at 700 p.m. Eastern.
>> No, 8:00 p.m. 7. 8 PM Eastern. Yeah.
Right. Yeah. Okay.
>> So, the reason why I wanted to bring this up, which is nuts, that the Wait, what did you just mouth at the camera?
What did you just mouth at the camera?
Share with the class.
>> Nothing.
Creepy lady who watches people cut their toenails in coffee shops.
>> Okay. I will say there was a moment where I was like, "Lyanna, stop staring.
Lyanna, stop staring." But like, I couldn't look away because I was just so a gas at what I was observing.
So, but eventually that's why I saw him do all five nails and then I eventually looked away. I assume he went back and did the other hand or he did the other hand before I had the chance to look at him. Anyway, so that actually ended up being a fun coincidence because I had prepared a game based on your Tamodachi from Tuesday. So, the game is called Red Flag or Just Weird.
>> Okay. And so I have a list of things that could either be a red flag or is it just weird? And you're welcome to put in your own.
>> Mhm.
>> So I think we should start with cutting your nails in public.
>> Red flag.
>> Yeah. Red flag. Right. Like not even a question. What did we just spend 20 minutes talking about?
>> Yeah.
>> Red flag.
>> Okay. Claps when the plane lands.
>> Red flag. a red flag.
>> I don't think that's weird. Cuz that's not weird. It's just a red flag. Like >> Yeah, but what makes it a red flag?
>> Um the the cringe I feel when someone does it because >> you feel cringe.
>> I think clapping for a profession should begin and end with athletes and stage plays.
>> Like you clap at the athlete or the athlete claps at you.
>> Why would the athlete clap at us?
>> I don't know. Maybe they're like, "Yay, I just scored a basket."
>> No. Did they clap for the >> When what you just said, are are the pilots the ones clapping?
>> No.
>> No. The passengers. Pilots and passengers. Passengers. The ones clapping.
>> Yeah. So, I would say red flag because I just think doing it is a bit of a red flag.
>> Okay. I'm going to introduce a third category, which is I'm chill with it. I feel like clapping I feel like we should just clap more as a society. Sure. Is it cringe? Is it cheeky as one may say?
>> No, it's just cringe.
>> Okay. It's Is it Is it cringe as one may say? Yes, it's cringe. But I'm like I do a lot of I do a lot of this of clapping.
And actually that has now become part of when people are making not making fun, but when people are mimicking me, right?
They do this clap. And that's because I think that it's a physical expression of joy. In the same way that Rick Deans did his little jump heel clicky thing, I feel like we should all be celebrating and more joy. So, I think we should just because you want to blend in with the rest of us doesn't mean we should conform to your silliness.
>> Everyone clap, please clap.
>> Jeb was on to something. He told everyone, "Please clap."
>> Jeb dry begged for applause. That could never be me.
>> I think it's the way he says it that's just so funny. He's like, "Please clap."
and he does like this hand gesture thing that makes him look so pathetic. Anyway, so I'm a big I'm a big clapping person, so I'm actually all on board for the clapping.
>> I'm not I just find it to be like I guess like it's if the if it makes the cabin crew feel good, then good for them. But I don't know. Like I >> Do you think they can even hear it?
>> This might be mean.
Like you better land the plane. Like I'm like, you know what I mean? Oh, sure.
Yeah.
>> Like to me, I'm like I should I give you a round of applause for doing exactly what I need you needed you to do.
>> Like maybe if you landed the plane 30 minutes early, like maybe then you get a little clap from me. But >> also that the my thing is like I don't even think they hear that stuff. So >> I don't think they can.
>> So what's the point? Like that that's then it's just for us. Like I think with with uh sports or with stage play, >> the reason they get the clap is because you go in there rooting for them, right?
But like things could still go wrong, but then they outperform. With sports, they did better than like they scored way more than we expected or this player went out of their way to do it. The defense was stellar. Uh versus with like a stage play, you're watching it happen live. You have no frame of reference of how this is supposed to look and you're like, "This is great. I like this." Unless it's your first plane ride, I think you shouldn't be clapping. I think though you could make the argument that like if someone is an actor and that's their job then they should be able to act well in the play for example.
>> But I also think so so I I also think though we should be rewarding people for even just doing what they're expected to do.
>> It's with a good old clap. No, because I think in the two areas that we're discussing specifically in sports and in performance, >> it adds to the ambiance and the environment. Like that energizes the crowd and it gets the people going. When you land on a flight, you know what the last thing I want is to get energized from claps. That doesn't do anything for them.
>> It gets the people going.
>> As people are clapping, I JUST HEAR CUZ THERE'S a baby in the background that's been crying for 4 hours. But maybe it'll drown out the baby.
>> Or like there's a kid that's been kicking my seat for the last 3 hours and >> Yeah, but maybe it'll drown out the child.
>> You won't notice. What's the difference between the kid kicking and >> So aside from the red flag that you have not presented yourself to have.
>> Yeah.
>> What's the next one?
>> Wait, I don't have that red flag. I to be fair, I conform to societal pressure and don't clap as often as I would like to. By the way, >> you should clap whenever you want. No, some of us will judge you. Some of us will applaud you also. But >> okay, this one is just for you. Sleeps with their socks on.
Tell me to my face it's a red flag.
>> No, it's just weird. That one's just weird because your feet need to breathe and like your feet are you especially you I worked 11 hours. Yeah. Your feet are like your dogs are covered smelly.
>> I take a shower and wash my feet.
>> Sure. And then let them breathe overnight.
Stop suffocating your toes.
>> If you go from a scientific standpoint, I will not like that.
>> Fine. I won't say anything about that.
But I will say that since I was little, I have always I had sleeping socks. I always wore socks to bed as I'm sure I've talked about on this podcast before.
>> So, I don't think it's weird.
>> And your feet are begging to be let free. My feet are not >> Your feet are Rita Repulsa from the Power Rangers and they've been stuck in the chamber for like a thousand years and they need to be free, but now they're going to be evil and they're going to try and take over Angel Grove because they've been covered for decades.
>> Okay, that's weirdly specific. Thank you very much for that. That's a red flag.
Makes analog commonly makes analogies from Power Rangers.
>> I make analogies from everything. I kind of speak in them a little bit sometimes.
>> Yeah, like you should be on Survivor anyway. I don't say it like that though.
>> I'm just every every once in a while I try every once in a while I try to sleep without socks and I inevitably always I like can't fall asleep and I go put on socks.
>> That's not why you're not falling asleep.
>> No, it's I can feel my feet touching the I don't like it.
>> I love that.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, >> I feel like wear and not wearing socks.
>> Can I just also like interrupt you real quick?
You are allowed to think things are weird and I'm allowed to think things are weird. You shouldn't get offended or defensive that I think it's weird. I It's just weird for me. It's weird.
>> And I feel like you should accept me. Do you accept me?
>> I mean I there's almost, you know, we're coming up on what seven, eight, nine years of proof now. So, if I if you don't think I've accepted you at this point, >> okay, keeps a running notes app of people who have annoyed them.
>> What are you, Aria Stark? Like, relax.
It's not that deep. Um, yeah. Uh, Bethany at the coffee shop spelled my name wrong. Who cares? Just drink your coffee. You got Did you get the right coffee? Did you get the Yeah, who cares?
Please. You know that saying that it's I forgive but I never forget.
>> Yeah.
>> I saw somebody make a TikTok that was like I might forget but I'll never forgive. And it was like I don't know why but I know I hate this person.
>> Life's short man. It is. And like I know people in my life who have held on to things for way too long for stupid reasons. So and also if you need a list to remember that just means >> you're not a big enough hater.
>> Yeah. It's too long. Real people remember who they hate and do not need a list to remind them.
>> That's right. I dedicate my hate hater efforts to a very small but notable pool.
>> No, I think I for me it's a red flag because I'm the same. I'm like, let's just find joy, guys. Like, I get it. Or maybe you're like, look, noted. This person is not my jam. This person is not my vibe. I don't like interacting with this person. And I think that that's okay. But I think that keeping a list in a notes app, absolutely not.
>> Didn't pay me back $200. You make the list. Okay.
>> Oh, that's on the list.
>> Yeah. Or um stole my package. On the list. You know what's not on the list?
Cut me in line three years ago. Move on.
Um drove a little too close to our bumper in traffic once. Move on. That's just you keeping yourself angry when you don't need to. Yeah, I would say it's a red flag. Mhm. Yeah, I would say it's a red flag as well. Um, okay. Let's see. I got a bunch of these. I'm trying to pull some good ones. Uh, okay. Let's see.
See, the problem is is like I'm reading a lot of these and I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that just sounds like me."
>> Say them. Give me an example.
>> Uh, okay. Sure. Uh, gets emotionally attached to parking spots.
>> That's fine. That's just weird, I think, because >> people get attached to things that might not matter or aren't that important all the time. I get attached to stuff that don't matter all the time.
>> Yeah.
>> Getting attached to a parking spot. I personally would never, but if you do, that's just weird.
>> I have my one at work now. It took me a while to find the one that I liked the best, but I now have my favorite parking spot at work.
>> It's like the equivalent of naming something that you're not meant to keep because they're like, "Oh, now you're attached." So, >> wait, what have you named that you aren't meant to keep? What does that mean?
>> Like, you know how like when you watch a sitcom or something and they'll find a a lost dog and they're like, "Don't name the dog cuz then we have to give the dog away and you're going to be sad about it."
>> It's that you've decreed this is your spot. Now you have a reason to be upset if you don't get that spot.
>> Yeah.
>> Big mistake.
>> Yeah, but I like that spot a lot.
>> Why?
>> Okay, so I back into it. So, first of all, it's one of the closest to the door. But what? What? What?
>> Just the fact that this has an answer.
>> What do you mean? You asked me a question. Of course, I have an answer.
>> Yeah, it's just a little shocking.
>> It's off the main It's It's on the What?
>> I'm listening.
>> Stop laughing.
>> I'm listening.
>> Okay. It's It's on the corner of a of an aisle, whatever you would call a row, a parking row, but it's not the one from the main road. So, at least it's like hidden and kind of off the road. So, it's technically the second or the third closest spot to the door, but I can back into it, which I really like. And so, then when I leave, it's just a quick because it's right at the end, and then I go straight out of the parking lot. So close. I don't think it's going to get hit. Although, I will say I did consider going one in just to have one car as a buffer. But ultimately, I liked being able to see my car from the window.
>> This is one of those moments where I know there's going to be people in the comments backing you on this.
>> Hell yeah. I'm not one of them, but I recognize that. I think I think this one I'm in the minority of, but I find it weird.
>> Okay. Um, okay. Next up is uses LinkedIn like Instagram.
>> Red flag. Keep it professional, my man.
I literally found a post I think yesterday. It was on Tik Tok and it was like um I don't remember what it was like weirdo LinkedIn updates or something >> and it was a guy who basically tried to take a business spin on getting cucked and it was very strange and I don't have LinkedIn so I don't necessarily know if that's truly how they people go like it goes down on LinkedIn >> but it was a site for very confusing and sore eyes. There is a subreddit called LinkedIn Lunatics that's basically those types of posts and it's always very funny. I will say I've only ever seen a few in the wild so I don't think it's super common. Most of mine is just feels like self- congratulatory like jerk off circles. So um or circle jerks. I apologize. Let me use the correct terminology. Um but I would say definitely a red flag. Like LinkedIn is just it's meant to be. It's professional. Job postings are there.
>> That's what it's for. Do not use it like Instagram. Definitely a red flag for me as well.
>> Yeah.
>> Um okay.
Uh keeps old phones for backup.
>> I think it's what was the third category? And that's okay.
>> That's okay.
I think you should keep one as a backup.
But anything past that, it's you the backwards compatibility just isn't there anymore with the phone.
>> Put it in a drawer cuz what if your new phone dies?
>> But you're So you're saying when you say keeping a phone for backup?
>> Yeah.
>> Is that is what you mean by that is the phone is out and ready to be used or cuz you just said just put it in a drawer.
Yeah. But then you still have the phone as a backup if you need it because it's in a drawer ready to be used at whenever.
>> Yeah. Well, no, no, no, no. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Okay, so what I'm what I mean is like let's say so I have a Pixel 7 and let's say what's the newest Pixel 10? Okay, whatever. Let's say I want to upgrade to a Samsung or something like that. Okay, let's say I want to get a new Samsung. I would keep this phone turned off. No SIM card, nothing. Stored just in case my Samsung breaks and then before I can go buy a new phone, I have this one as a backup. That's what I mean. Is that what you meant?
>> Yeah, but then you said just stick it in a drawer.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, but you said it because you said it. I don't know. You The way you said it was weird, I think.
>> Okay. I don't know where else I'm supposed to put it on the table.
Yeah. But then what did you say it was?
Do you say it was a red flag?
>> I think if you have more than one as a backup, >> right? So then, but then you were like, "Yeah, just put the rest in a I said, "What do you do with the rest?"
>> Oh, the rest. That's what you're asking me about. You get rid of them. You donate them or you get rid of them. You recycle them.
>> You're not going to There's no value for money there. So, it's not worth selling them on.
>> Yeah.
>> Donate is the only other option really.
>> You can take them. Best Buy will take them and they recycle them and stuff. if you have nostalgic value to it.
>> I will say I think that that is okay, but it better be real nostalgic. Like in this day and age, no one's phone has like current phone is nostalgic. Like I have my black my very first Blackberry. I did keep that.
>> I have my Nokia engage and I have my Sony Ericen flip phone.
>> But that's when phones were cool.
>> No, they were shaped weird.
Yeah, but they were fun. I really wanted the Motorola Razor.
>> They were so impractical. Like some of those phones were just so impractical in size and like way they were set up.
>> I will say I liked my flip phone because for at lacrosse practice or whatever, you could just like clip it on your pants like cuz it it folded. I would be absolutely terri but that was because a phone cost 30 bucks, right?
Like I would be absolutely terrified to do that if I got one of those foldy phones now. Oh, it would be >> absolutely not. Yeah, financial ruin for me, I'm sure.
Okay. Um, let's see. Do you have any you want to add?
>> All right. So, I'm sure you're wondering, why did y'all change clothes?
Um, because we're on a different day.
No, not magic. We're on a different day and it's my fault. Let me explain. So, in the middle of the last podcast, once we hit that natural stopping point, I stopped the pod. I looked at Lyanna and I said, I'm get I'm feeling very sleepy.
I genuinely don't think I can continue the podcast. Um, we could have gone for like another five minutes and then it would have ended, but it felt like we had already done a shorter pod the week prior. I didn't want it to be any short and I didn't want it to be on my account. Um, I've been going through some very tough uh lack of sleep lately.
don't know why genuinely I'm not like you know like usually the cause of you know lack of sleep can be stress or anxiety or whatever I don't feel anything deep like I felt way way more in a tougher spot than I ever have now and I'm not stressed about anything like that so I don't know why it's been happening but like even when I've been trying to fix my sleep schedule of going to bed early I'm waking up after 3 hours and I cannot go back to sleep so um I opted out at that point I was like let's just record the next Okay. Like that'll be fine. And Lyanna was more than happy to to oblige with that, which is why we're here now in different outfits.
>> Quick change. It's magic.
>> Mhm. It's magic.
>> It's magic.
>> Yeah. Um, now I have slept for six hours today.
>> Look at you go.
>> So, we're moving up a little bit.
>> Moving up in the world.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, where do we begin?
>> I don't know where we ended.
>> We ended in the in when we were doing the whatever the game that I prepared was. Red flag or weird.
>> Yes. Red flag just weird or >> That's fine.
>> Red, which by the way, that was a great game. We should do that more of that again.
>> Okay.
>> Um I did bring up one of the red flag or weirds to one of my friends.
>> Okay.
>> And I asked her, I was like, "Let me get your viewpoint. Um socks to sleep, yes or no?"
>> And she was like, "I'm like basically socks never." And and I had never felt more seen. And then it was funny because I was like, well, Lyanna's the opposite.
>> Lyanna is socks always.
>> You've spoken about this so many times.
You literally put a poll out on Twitter one time where you were like socks to bed and I remember very clearly 22% of people backed me and everybody else, 78% backed you. So I understand that I'm in the minority here.
>> I'm pretty sure that's when we found out Maryanne has the most unhinged sock to bed.
>> Was that because she was talking about wet socks? Was that that was that?
>> Oh, that was so weird. Yeah, that was the lore drop no one expected.
>> Um, yeah. So, here's the thing. Here's the thing, right?
>> Yes, you are in the minority on this.
>> Totally fine by me.
>> Sometime No, what happens is homeg girl gets defensive and then acts like she's being attacked, which is like you're not being attacked. We just have different we look at it differently.
>> It's not def it's not it's not defense.
It's not defensive. It's not defensive.
What I feel is that there is a lack of understanding or empathy for my requiring socks at nighttime. That's how it feels. That that's how it feels. I'm not saying that's lack of understanding would imply red flag.
>> We just think it's weird.
>> And that's rude.
>> Why?
>> Because >> because it's cold. I have rainodes. My feet get cold. I need to have socks on.
>> Yes.
>> Um my friend was like, "Why doesn't she just wear like slippers at home?" And I was like, "Oh, she wears slippers."
>> I do >> with socks underneath. I do. Well, that's because my feet get cold when they touch the floor.
>> But your feet are in the slippers.
>> Yeah, that's why I wear the slippers >> because they get cold if I don't wear the slippers.
>> But then why you wearing socks on slippers?
>> Cuz my feet get cold. But also, I don't want to touch I It's like a It's an extra barrier. It's like >> I love when my feet touch things.
>> I'm also an underwear girly because I'm It's an extra layer.
>> People are underwear.
>> So Socks are the same thing. Socks are the underwear of the feet.
No, they are not.
>> Yes, they absolutely are.
>> Socks are the pants of the feet, if anything. And pants are optional.
>> No, socks are the underwear of the feet.
Shoes are the pants of the feet.
>> No, shoes are more underwear than pants.
>> That makes no sense.
>> They do. It does because you are required to wear shoes to go outside.
>> You cannot barefoot the real world, >> which are pants.
because you're not required to wear underwear, but you have to wear pants.
>> I don't agree with this take.
>> I think that you know that I have the better logic and I think you're still trying to defend it. Yes, I do.
>> I think what happens is you found a thing that fits in your thing and now you're straw maning.
>> It literally fits in your thing, too.
Your analogy was that you have to wear pants to go outside.
>> You have to wear shoes. Shoots. Shoes.
Sho. No. No. Shoes.
>> Oh, yeah. Let's stutter over our point.
That's a great Yeah, let's go ahead and do it. Yeah.
>> No shirt, no service. Shoes are the p and the pants are implied. Shoes are the pants of the feet >> at this point.
>> Socks are the underwear.
>> No, >> guys.
Look at what I'm dealing with. I'm speaking directly to the audience.
>> I'm sorry. I don't talk to people who hold their feet prisoner. I I don't I don't understand your logic. I don't understand your logic how you can say that shoes are more the underwear than they are pants.
>> That's so not even an important topic.
Like that's like a side.
>> Speak for yourself.
>> That's like get that's like dissecting an analogy. Like it ain't that >> Oh my god. All right. Fine. Pilots and passengers. Just go work at the firehouse or whatever. We've done this podcast over two days and you've brought that reference up in both segments. So, >> apparently it's on my mind. Well, we're flying. We're traveling this weekend.
>> Um, yeah. No, I'll be honest. I fully just realized I could just gaslight you and I just started doing that to win the argument. Um, no.
>> Do you do that often?
>> No. You would know if I do that.
>> I' I don't think I would.
I think I would just be like, >> "No, I just in this in this moment on the pod, I was like she did say this.
Let me just like pull at this thread a little bit."
>> Okay. Well, you can unravel your own >> The thing is like I think ultimately for me the reason why I said that the cuz like I just find I guess underwear has been such a vital thing like I've never been like a we rock commando especially to go outside >> and that's how I feel about socks. Yeah, but you also you sock inside.
>> Yeah. And I'm also wearing underwear inside.
>> I sometimes don't.
>> But do you wear pants?
>> Yeah. I'm not commando inside.
>> Yeah.
>> When?
>> Sometimes.
>> Really?
>> Why?
>> Cuz my pants are comfy anyway. So it's not like it's like let let them let things breathe.
>> I want like barriers of cleanliness. I guess >> barriers of cleanliness.
>> Yeah. Like if I like a layer to protect my clothes from me.
because I like my clothes. So, I want to protect my clothes. My clothes are outward facing.
>> Yeah. But I feel like it's nice to also have the What are we doing here?
>> Okay. Anyway, >> truly, what are we doing here?
>> New topic. New topic.
>> Oh no. Um, >> so Survivor happened this week.
>> Okay.
Why are you acting like you don't know how to segue with that?
>> Well, no, we can we can talk about Survivor if you want to talk about Survivor.
>> I said that and then I went to sip my coffee and then you did no effort in carrying the conversation.
>> I know. I know, but that's because I talk about it on the B&B. So, for me, I'm like, the B&B is where I talk about Survivor. So, this is where you can talk about Survivor.
>> You can also still talk about Survivor.
>> Yeah. No, obviously >> this would be like the equivalent of when we brought up traders on the PAL, I would be like, >> I don't talk about it here. Go ahead.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. I know, but it just it took me by surprise.
>> You're very, very interesting person.
>> Why?
>> You're just fascinating to me. Um, yeah.
This was a phenomenal episode.
>> Wait, wait, wait. I don't want to give all my takes here and then have nothing to talk about on the B&B where I just stare at Mike like I'm just like >> I think the difference is is that to me those are two different audiences. This is a very niche pod and this is more of a like if you're watching the PAL, you are you are loyal to us and you are enjoying us and our dynamic.
>> Um, if they get some of your takes here, they're not going to be like, "Well, I'm not going to listen to the B&B. I already know what Lyanna's going to say."
>> No, no, no. I'm not saying from an audience's per I'm talking about from a Lyanna perception of like if I say it here, I'm gonna then I've already said it. Because here's the thing. Here's what happens to me on for podcast. I watch the episode of the TVs and then the thoughts are in my brain and then when I say them, I stop thinking about them. So I have I can't say them out loud so I can say them on the B&B cuz otherwise I'll forget.
>> Okay. But anyway, you go ahead. You say your thoughts.
>> You know like you know the thing of like when you want a sweet treat but then if your partner doesn't want to sweet then you don't want to go.
>> Okay. But I'm saying that like I am and will and do talk about it. I'm just saying that like I want you to have the first stab at it.
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> Um >> I've officially hit a point >> and I think I was this is I've been a part of this camp for a long time but even firmly now >> or more firm if you can look me dead in the face and tell me that Siri Fields is not in your top four >> for Survivor >> I might not be able to take your opinion seriously. And like I say that as someone who is very willing to reason.
I'm very willing to hear people's opinions on stuff.
>> I just don't see how you can watch someone who has played this game five times, >> maneuvered it perfectly, still in the end game for practically all but one of them >> and then is successfully playing a extra vote to stay in the game.
>> Yeah.
>> You're going to sit here and tell me to my face that this person is not in your top four. I can't buy that. Um >> I don't think that that's a hot take though. I mean, I as I was getting ready for this pod, um, I had, you know, as one does when you're on your phone, you might open a couple of apps just to see what pops up, right? Door Dash.
>> I hit Facebook Door Dash.
>> I don't know. What kind of apps are you you opening?
>> What?
>> You open Door Dash just on a chill like, "Oh, wonder what's going on." Like the equivalent opening.
>> I get a lot of notifications.
>> Door Dash is invasive. Can we talk about this? Door Dash needs to calm down because if you open that app once, >> they'll run your [ __ ] for the next week.
Yeah, but Uber Eats does the exact same thing.
>> Uber Eats doesn't do that to me.
>> Uber Eats does it to me, but that's because you order on Uber Eatats. I don't.
>> Ah, I see.
>> So, it'll be like, "Hey, are you still thinking about that?" And then it'll like pop up later and be like, "Hey, remember how you were interested in that? Do you want that now?" I'm like, "No."
>> Jord should be like, "You know, it'll pair well with this Tuesday evening."
Like, I don't like that you know what time of day it is.
>> I feel like it's weird if it doesn't know what day it is.
>> I feel like it doesn't need to be that person. You don't know me like that. Why you Why you DMing me? You know what I mean? Like you don't need to you are a you are a app. Speak to me like you are an app.
>> You know >> be like ice cream question mark. That's fine. Being like so it's a crisp Tuesday. Are you would you be down to have a mango passion fruit smoothie? No.
Also get off my DMs.
>> Do you know how people have like AI girlfriends and stuff?
>> Couldn't relate.
>> Door Dash is my girlfriend.
It asks me what I'm doing on a Tuesday.
It invites me to do things.
>> So you open apps and you look at stuff, right?
>> Okay. Sure.
>> And so I open Facebook >> and as these apps do, like Door Dash, they know a little too much about you.
So they know what kind of things you're into. They'll push it into your algo.
>> I >> short for algorithm. Outside of RHAP, I don't think I've interacted with I don't I'm not a part of any like subgroups for reality TV, Survivor, Big Brother, none of that. I like sometimes we'll look at them, but that's it. The ALGO's figured it out, though.
>> Yeah, cuz you looked at them.
>> Yeah. So, they I got pushed a Survivor thread.
>> Yeah.
>> And as always, when I see 300 comments, I'm curious. I click it and it's We're at the end game, so there's a lot of people being like, >> "Wait, was this a Survivor like the Survivor Facebook page?"
>> It's like a Survivor 50 page. Like just a random one. Okay. Like a fan page.
>> Um, and now we're at the end, so it's people being like, and it's Facebook, so you know, it's a lot more like red, white, or black of like, if this person wins, I'm mad. If this person wins, I'm happy. And I'm just reading through these comments, and someone was like, oh, as long as anyone but Siri wins, I'm fine. And I was like, that is nuts.
>> Yeah, the casuals, I will say, >> why? What are the beef with her? Like, what is what has she done on the show that is so egregious to the casuals?
>> They didn't like some of the stuff she did in the pre merge, I want to say.
>> Like what? I don't know. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I do remember seeing that sentiment when I put together one of the casuals corner games that people were like not the biggest fan of Siri. I think the the that demographic also in general, these are all generalizations, but tends to gravitate towards like the Joe's, the Jonathans, the Aussies of the world.
>> A fun a fun point. Um because someone was like, I would love a Seruin. Nothing would make me happier. If it's not her, the only other person I can stomach is Joe. Yep.
>> What does that take?
>> Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. But remember like they're evaluating on different criteria.
>> Yes, of course. But like I would like to see the ven diagram where the two people you're rooting for are Sie Fields and Joe.
>> How like Okay, Sie Fields Aubrey I can see the logic or Sfields Deans I can see the logic. Sie Fields.
>> A Joe. A Joe win would be so funny.
>> A Joe win would mean it's Jover. We are done.
>> Sunset the show.
>> I think the only way Joe wins is if he's the only one, the final three. It's just three Joe's and they have to vote for Joe.
Joe's hilarious. See, I the thing is is like I think first of all, how dare I have a nuanced take on something? But I think that Joe as a person versus Joe as a survivor player is where that rooting interest differs, right? Because I think that a lot of people like Joe as a person. But I can recognize that Joe, if I were out there playing with Joe, woof, that would be difficult.
>> Joe as a person, great. If I saw him at one of these events, I think we socialize just fine with >> Yeah, I think he's lovely.
>> Joe as a player might be like top three most rage bait players I'd have to ever deal with.
>> But I think that that's why I'm loving it so much >> because you don't have to deal with it.
>> Because I don't have to deal with it other people navigate and it's hilarious to watch. I mean, this is what people are clamoring for the villain era of Survivor.
We yearn for the Joe like the conflict.
We want conflict back. And Joe is legitimately the only person like actually having real conflict, like social real conflict.
>> It is the most old school um situation, the whole Devons and Joe thing for sure.
>> So old to love it. I love it.
>> No, I'm here for it, too.
>> I just feel like as much as I enjoy it as a popcorn viewer, I'm like, let me just, you know, let me just watch this.
>> You're not rooting for Joe to win.
>> I just still find it weird that you're like, >> that's worthy of two million right there. It's either Siri Fields who's changing the game still >> or Joe who has this one-sided rivalry with Devons and he just hates that Devons is playing Survivor. He doesn't want him to play Survivor.
>> Well, I think you can want Joe to win because you feel like, oh, he stands up for domestic violence and he supports women with autism.
>> Yeah. Well, that's great.
>> Singular woman with autism.
>> Great. But then but then when Kenzie wins because someone has the question of like what would you use the money for?
People are like nope, don't like that.
And it's like >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's because of sexism, but that's fine.
>> Mis misogyny.
>> Misogyny.
>> Very good.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't I didn't like that. Scrap that out. Hey, editor, remove that.
>> That's you.
>> What's up, editor? Looking mighty fine today.
>> You're talking to you.
>> I'm talking to me. Um, >> so I just I feel like because I'm usually because, you know, people will have absolutes when they discuss these shows and I definitely at one point in my life was an absolute person where I'm like, "This is a yes. This is no.
Absolutely. You cannot have this take. I can't stand for it.
>> I've become a lot more soft and mellowed out in my later years, these last couple of years.
>> I think I'm back on my [ __ ] with Siri, though. Like, I don't play if you don't have her in your top four.
>> Your list isn't valid to me.
>> I would love to hear why those people feel that way, right? And that's not what social media forgives you, >> right? Because I think what happens is, and this part I understand. I think for some people the fatigue of everyone rooting for that person Yeah.
>> will turn them rogue and be like I don't want this person to win. That's fine. I still don't agree with that. But I get it. I get the gh I'm so done with this.
>> Like everyone's standing though.
>> Yeah. And like because Siri's been lended a lot of opportunities on the in the last like four years with being on the traders, being on Big Brother, and now being on AU versus the world and 50.
I can see some people being like gh enough. I'm tired. Like I I don't want you know what? I don't want this person to win cuz everyone's like being too like into it. I don't want that. I sure.
But if you are giving me a list of your top four and you're citing reasons such as first of all just notoriety for the show, second strategy or or gameplay, third social play. The only top four I'm willing to be like, no, I 100% agree is like physical. If that's your top four is being based on um but even then I'd be like, but come on. Did you see her on the beam though?
>> I mean, we all saw her.
>> She beasted that [ __ ] >> Amazing.
>> See what? Yeah. So, I don't know. I just was so impressed. I've been impressed obviously.
>> Yeah.
>> The fact that we watched in one fell swoop.
>> Mhm.
>> Siri clock that she needs to use her extra vote >> defensively saves herself.
>> Yeah.
And also watch her not be able to communicate with Aussie who up until this point a lot of people have been saying this is our favorite Aussie and like this is a fun Aussie. Aussiey's playing the game.
>> Aussie was left by himself for one night.
>> It's self-destructed.
>> One night.
>> Yeah.
>> So those are This was a very fun episode. Yeah.
>> Now >> we got to talk about the thing that you already know I'm going to [ __ ] about.
Everyone knows. So everyone brace yourselves.
If I have a painting, the painting looks good. It's a good painting. It's a decent size. Shade the brush. The brush stroke. I am speaking into the microphone, my friend. I don't know what you think I'm whispering. It is a work of art.
>> Okay.
>> I feel like it would damage the painting if I bend it across my knee and split it in half.
>> Yep.
Yeah. We're at the final nine.
>> It's a great painting.
>> Why do we And you want to eliminate two people because there's still too many people. Sure.
>> Why do we need to split the painting?
>> Why are we obsessed with splitting the votes down to four people? Why are we doing two two groups of four? Why?
>> I like the buffer twist. That was a little bit interesting to me >> with Jonathan.
>> Don't love that. If Tiffany's truly disqualified, y'all should run back that live transition again. That's my thought where from the moment they were all live transition to that final phase, restart that.
>> I She just lost. I So I saw I saw it and actually I was like, "She's got her foot down. She's got her like And so you had gone to bed because you're dealing with your sleep issue." So I was watching alone and I'm like yelling out loud to the TV to Clam. I'm like, "Clam, she had her foot down. She had her foot down.
She cheated, right? Either she didn't hear, didn't understand, or she actively cheated.
Either one of those, it doesn't matter.
You Everyone else understood the rules.
Everybody else did it, and she could look around and see everybody else completely flailing, and she was in the back, so she could see the people in front of her lifting their feet.
>> I think that there's no excuse for that.
I think Jonathan did win that challenge fair and square.
>> Sure. I just didn't love how they approached it. I didn't love Jeff kind of putting her in an impossible spot like you trust me. We don't need to talk about this further.
>> I will say that was weird.
>> Yeah, >> it that should never have been the case.
It should have been like it's like in any sporting event where the refs review the footage and then they go, "All right, we >> Jeff breaks the fourth wall to us and he goes, "All right, that was a that was an illegal move from Tiffany in the back.
So Tiffany's disqualified >> traveling >> point stands. Jonathan has immunity."
>> Yeah. Like it should have just been there should never have been a negotiation there. It should always have just been a declarative statement from the rules team that's like, "Hey, we reviewed the footage. We missed like I missed this. This has happened before.
>> I've missed this. This is the actual outcome."
>> Mhm.
>> Point blank period. Like you are the arbiters of the game. What you say stands what?
>> Nothing.
>> So yeah, I didn't understand that. I thought that that was weird.
>> Yeah. So then to go back to the split thing, I didn't love that. But also, I didn't love that regardless of the results. Um, >> because I do think that anytime you do something like this, you're robbing the nine people who have built dynamics of dynamics that could work for them. I feel like the early point of the game with the swaps and the smaller groups.
You've already played that portion of the game. Now is the time to play the portion where no one can hide, right?
You're all in the same group. you are going to get punished for your bad social play or you're going to get rewarded for the connections you've made or you're going to get rewarded for the hustling you've done because like you could have do all the work in the world and if one person was swapped into the other group their game would have been over instead. I don't like that.
>> Yeah. I mean >> notoriously against this just let them play survivor.
>> If they wanted to get rid of two what do you think would be the best move at nine? I think you do one tribal I mean we've been saying this that they still haven't utilized this twist but one person gets voted out and Jeff goes wait a second sit back down you've got a second tribal >> they've done this before >> no I'm saying in this season right because where they've had to get rid of multiple people so fine use it here >> they could do what Australian Survivor has done right which is they vote someone out they think it's over Jeff's like all right get up we're going to do an immunity right now and then someone's safe and you just immediately flush someone out >> correct >> without Yeah. So like that could be a thing.
>> The point being is that and and maybe this is just something that I appreciate because for example I love ensemble TV shows, right? Where it's like a cast of characters and you watch that cast of characters interact, right? Arrested Development famously probably my f the first three seasons famously like my favorite TV show of all time. And I think part of that is because I love the ensemble cast. you have all the different characters interacting and I think that that's just what's so fun about seeing the way that like and that was what I think that's what's so frustrating is I think that that's what gave us the great episode we had last week when it was Stephanie's boot where there was the chaos of interacting and like ooh then Joe goes and tells Siri and then Si goes and then they're all confronting each other and they're having that like massive conflict and it's like that to me is more entertaining >> and I think that that was like it would have been so fun to have this buffer person be someone else that could have been like a not even Siri necessarily, but Siri's like telling them to tell Aussie and then like the whole game of telephone could have been a lot more fun.
>> I think if it's if it's Tiffany, right, that looks completely different.
>> Oh, if it's Tiffany, we're not getting the boots we got.
>> Exactly. If it's Tiffany, obvious Aussie I mean, well, the thing is is that Tiffany is not incentivized to tell Aussie to play the idol, right? No.
Because Tiffany wanted Aussie out anyway. So, who knows? But that would have been very mood. But >> but anyway, >> well, you would have seen Siri, like what would Si have done in that situation, right? It makes it a little bit more interesting. But I mean, at the same time, she was also banking on Rizzo, >> which Rizzo, >> so this has come up now, and like I feel like I've watched a lot of Aussie talk about it after the fact. He's clearly still salty about Rizzo, which >> um let me make sure my math is correct.
>> Everyone voted against Azie, right?
>> So why did it matter about Rizzo? No, Rizzo didn't tell him to play the idol.
>> Oh, well, >> that was the issue.
>> I'm sorry, and maybe this is just me. If I have had an idol from the beginning of the game >> and I am at final nine >> and I am then told two people are leaving tonight, we're going to go down to the final seven and now I'm split into a group of four people. I'm gonna play my idol because >> I get why he didn't because you have somebody Rizzo who you think you can trust. You're in a final three with.
>> Yeah. Rizzo also has an idol and it's also in my alliance. So if I'm me, I'm like there's not much separating us except if he gets rid of me. Like I would definitely have that in the back of my head.
>> Um >> yeah, I mean sure I think that Aussie maybe didn't pick up on some of the more subtle social cues, but like I also can see why Aussie felt comfortable.
>> But also I'm Aussie. I'm like a fivetime survivor player. I'm known to be one of the best to ever do it physically. I am a physical threat no matter how you look at it. I'm always a a chance at winning immunity away from like being safe. So for me, all of those factors when I'm in a smaller group of people, I'm going to feel self-conscious about and like not for nothing, he's not used before.
>> So like >> I don't know. I I understand that yes, he had he had allies he thought he could trust. Yeah. But for me, that idol doesn't need like what am I waiting to play that flipping thing at final five?
Like just >> no I if I'm in a split and there's less people now I'm going to use it just to make sure because there's five of us.
One person is safe, right? They're not going anywhere. There's four of us. Of those four, one person has an idol.
>> That leaves three of us. I also have an idol, but I'm thinking I'm not using it.
Right? That leaves two people here. Mhm.
>> Those two people here are too strong.
Like enough people where like all you need is to flip one person and I'm in danger now if I don't play my idol. So I would like to get on the immunity train >> and also be safe. That way no shenanigans can happen. It's just too too wishful and like >> at what point does your idol not matter no more unless you play the thing? Um, and like flush it to remove your threat level a little bit too because Azy's name is coming up cuz he is a physical threat and he has an idol. He has both.
And >> if you have if you're a physical specimen and you have an idol, you got to start looking at other people and think that they're going to try and blindside me so I don't use my idol because that is the only way I leave the game because I have an idol. Like the I don't know. I just feel like to me I felt like this was a bad mistake from him.
>> Yeah. But then Rizzo by that same logic also should have played his idol.
>> No, Rizzo's not a physical threat like Aussie is. Rizzo does not have the resume dying out there.
>> Yeah, Rizzo doesn't have the resume.
Aussie does. Rizzo is still the unknown and he's looked at as the baby. So like he can he gets to have the idol. Like it's like um it's like uh a cell phone in the hands of one of your friends is a lot more menacing than that same cell phone being in the hands of your baby.
>> I mean I just think it's so simple. If you and I make a pact on exile that we and this is Rizzo and Aussie. I'm Aussie. You're Rizzo. We make a pact on exile. We are in this till the end.
>> Mhm.
>> We got this and you're at final nine. I would not expect you to turn on me that early.
>> The way I see it, we're at final five.
We were sitting at a final. We were sitting at a tribal five people.
>> But you still go back and play the game after that, right?
>> Sure. So, like, and I again I understand and and and I'm not making I'm I'm just understanding Azy's perspective.
>> Who else was there in that group?
Jonathan, who's safe?
>> Joe.
>> Joe and Aubrey.
>> I understand why Aussie would feel safe.
Like, I get it.
>> He had a good He had a good >> draw. Joe, he thought maybe would tell him. He thought Rizzo would tell him.
Like, I get it. I 100% get it. I feel like I don't and I think I don't because I am looking at him as the legacy that he is.
>> Yeah, but he's never had a good social game and he's never had good social reads. So, I think assuming that Aussie is going to be able to pick up on that.
>> No, no, no. I'm not saying he should have picked up on it. I'm just saying that if I woke up and I said, I had a dream last night that I got >> I think that should have been more of what convinced him. Like I had a dream last night that I got booted and I got blindsided.
>> Yeah.
>> And I'm still probably not gonna play the idol. It's kind of wild.
>> But that that's the thing is is like if you factor in the previous episode where he was a potential target from those people, right? But again, I go back to the fact that Joe and Rizzo were with him, right? And I think that he felt that between those three, that was a solid group >> because it wasn't Joe that flipped on him.
>> You can't have it all. Joe was the one Joe was the one that came to Siri and told Siri that they were targeting Aussie, meaning that he was opposed to that idea.
>> So again, you feel like you have two people who have never targeted you before, and that includes last week's episode.
>> I I just can't fathom.
>> To me, the bigger misstep was telling Aubrey basically everything.
>> Why would you do that? Oh my god.
>> That's the part to me that like I can understand why I didn't play as idol.
That part is the part I didn't get.
>> What? We're at the final nine. Again, bears repeating. We're at the final nine. Why would you tell somebody cuz you know there's three seats at the end, right? Why would you tell somebody, "Hey, so if you're looking at potentially working with me, I've already saved a seat for somebody." And that somebody could beat anyone and their mothers at this game.
>> And I'm fine with that.
>> Just so you know, there is a third seat available if you might be interested.
Why would you give all the that and then why would you then on top of that mention what you had like what she you gave her an advantage? It's like hey uh the biggest threat to win the game I also kitted them up with some goodies.
Like why would you do that?
>> Yeah.
>> Um I think also recognizing at that point for Aubrey that like well he's going to be undying and having an undying Aussie on your side is probably >> the most dangerous item. Like you have to weaken Siri at that point. So >> yeah, >> I just Yeah, I to me I blame him more than anyone. I don't understand him >> kind of being shady about Rizzo. I really don't. Um >> you tell me a packact all you want. You boot me when you boot me. Like that makes I don't know. Maybe it's just me.
>> I get it. I'd be I'd be better too.
Like again it's uh Yeah, but I think that that's the difference, right? I think that's what I'm enjoying about this season is that we are having people who do get hurt feelings and there is drama and like that's what I miss about Survivor like this whole kumbaya it's just a game like all right sure that's the mature way to approach it I suppose the best part it's on an all-star season so it's like everyone here should know it's just a game >> I like it when people get mad >> I think the drama is fine >> it's absolutely great um yo just as for Genevieve though she would have had an idol Yeah.
>> Have you seen the Billy Isish stuff that's been coming out?
>> No.
>> So, she did she went on Amy Polar's podcast >> and she talks about the Billy Boomer and the way she speaks about it is kind of like ah you know it's stupid like they they did this basically I wrote a thing and the amount of Survivor fans I've seen seeding at this I'm like >> as they should but this this goes back to the whole in the hands of the fans.
It's not even her fault though. Like, >> no, no, no. Nobody should be blame.
Okay, so obviously you can be upset about the situation. Obviously, never direct anger towards Billy Eyish because she probably had no idea what she was getting herself into.
>> But like, I'm again more mad at production.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I think that that's where you should direct your frustration, >> especially when you're claiming that this season is in the hands of the fans and one of your celebrity fans doesn't give a [ __ ] Like >> of all the All-Star seasons Survivor's put out, where do you think this currently ranks?
>> I mean, we're going to see how it ends.
>> Oh, so winner would matter for you.
>> Yeah, winner absolutely matters to me. I think you have to look at a season in totality to be able to really rank it appropriately.
>> It's better than Game Changers, so that's nice.
>> Was which group was Devon's? Oh, never mind. With Emily, never mind. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I just could you imagine if Devons was in that other group and like it was Devon's, Jonathan who's immune, >> Rizzo, Azie, and Siri.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I already saw that online of Siri getting basically idled out again or >> genuinely I would quit watching the season. And I'm a completionist. I can't help myself. If that had happened and like that this was the New York week. Could you imagine? That's like the red wedding at a live event.
The fact that it happened would have happened twice would have been absolutely nuts.
But I mean, look, I I think that I think that >> Dave Jorgensson, uh, the what?
>> Go on.
>> Okay. So, for those of you who don't know Dave Jorgensson, he's >> We know him.
>> Okay. Well, he worked for the Washington Post. He was the Tik Tok guy who became famous during COVID. Started his own news outlet, um, >> Local News International, which I'm a patron of. And um and he basically at the beginning of 50 he was like look I'm going to play it out. Let's see how it goes but like I think I'm done watching after this. And I can completely understand that mentality. And I think some of the twists this season have certainly not done the show any favors in terms of that feeling right of just >> let them play Survivor and let's just see what happens because it just starts to feel like it's too much luck. And Survivor's always been about luck, but it just gets ramped up to a point where and I mean again, we've talked about this hypnosium, but yeah, I can I >> I feel similarly about watching after 50.
>> I think that um I think that it's to me luck has always been involved with any game, luck is involved heavily. Um sports or video game or board game, there's always luck, but some games have way more luck infused in them than others. Love Mario Party. Easily one of my favorite games of all time. Survivor should not be closer to Mario Party than it is to what's Risk.
>> What's Risk?
>> No. Risk.
>> Oh, Risk the game.
>> Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Like or katan. Like it should be closer to games where it's like you still have a little more agency. Mhm.
>> Um, but it's become more and more Mario Party where >> literally you could end up being like, "Yep, and this moment where this person lost their vote is the exact reason why this other person won >> um for ABCD, whatever." So >> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
Anyway, um I feel like we've just talked about Survivor.
>> Yeah.
>> And also what >> and what?
>> No one watched the B&B. Lyanna gave all her takes.
>> I know.
>> Who's the guest this week?
I don't know >> really.
>> I don't remember.
>> Okay.
>> I don't I can't I can't do everything. I'm not perfect.
>> No, you're perfect.
>> No, I'm not perfect. And you shouldn't say that I'm perfect because then there's the expectation that everything I do means I have to be perfect.
>> No, you're perfect despite everything that you do.
>> How dare you?
>> Pick a lane.
Okay. Well, do you want to keep talking or are we done?
>> What?
>> What are you feeling?
>> Well, I don't know. You're the one.
>> I don't know.
>> Um, I think that's about it. Like Lyanna mentioned as well very briefly at the beginning, we will not be around next week. Uh, we are going to a wedding, but >> we still plan on recording during the week and we plan on the release being put out. So, you should still have an episode next week. We're not taking the week off. Mhm.
>> So, be on the lookout for that.
>> Okay. Yeah. Before we finish, I do just want to quickly I have a couple of stories I'll tell next week. I'll just save them. Um but uh but I do before in this episode, I just want to briefly mention Eurovvision is coming up and we're not going to know the winner when we record next week, right? Because we're going to record before actual Eurovision finals, but we will record most likely after >> at least semi-finals one. So, I just want to say I'm really excited. I've been watching all the rehearsal clips and I feel like Finland's going to win, but that's all I'm going to say.
>> You've said Finland's going to win like three years in a row now and it's not happened. So >> that's not true. I didn't think Windows 95 man was going to win.
>> You acted like he was the God's gift to Earth and then when I watched it I was like this is not >> It's so funny.
>> Sure.
I feel like Finland Finland's qualifier like their um like how they choose to send the artist like their top three was all very good.
>> Okay.
>> So, I just feel like this year they really brought it.
>> We'll see if your prediction pans out.
>> But yeah, there's already some controversy and stuff with this year with like So, actually the woman from Finland is allowed Wait, do you want do you want to hear about this? You want to hear about it after your vision's over?
I'll tell you after your vision's over so I don't spoil you.
>> She was going to just bring one little thing up.
>> Okay. So she's So the this all started last year with Italy where they allowed um Italy to play the guy player the person played a harmonica and so now because it was no instruments live right it was only the singing was live and so now they made another exception for Finland and a violin and apparently other artists had requested to play live and the EVU said no so there's a lot of h decision making questionable decision making potentially favoritism going on.
So, I don't know. We'll see.
Also, I like how Bulgaria revamped the bangaranga.
>> So, okay, >> that made sense to most of us. Yeah.
>> Hooray.
>> Yeah. So, you'll hear about our Eurovvision takes potentially in two weeks.
>> Two weeks. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But next week, no Eurovision.
>> Yeah.
>> I hope Lavia qualifies. I hope Lavia and Lithuania qualify. I think Lithuania will. I don't know if Latia will and I'm going to be sad about it.
>> You know, in the midst of all this, we didn't really talk about Tamodachi life like that, but >> we talked about that in our first >> I guess it was a segue for the weird or red flag.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, she's a 10, but she likes Eurovision a little too much.
>> Define a little too much.
I've watched all the rehearsals and like the rehearsals are exciting and like I watch >> the rehearsal clips they're like 30 seconds long. That's not that long.
>> I don't I created a monster when I put you on to Eurovvision.
>> It's so fun.
>> I'm glad you enjoy it cuz I was happy to share it with you because I thought you'd like it.
>> I do like it.
>> An unhealthy amount.
>> Not an unhealthy amount. Not an unhealthy amount.
Not an unhealthy amount. A normal appropriate amount. I would say personally in my opinion >> parasocial with your vision.
>> What does that mean?
>> You're a little too too involved.
>> Like it's not into me in the same way that I'm into it. Like I would not expect your vision to be into me.
>> No, it's it's nice that you have a hobby. I'm happy.
>> Yeah, I have a hobby. I have something outside of work. You should be happy for me.
>> Yeah. A marriage >> that's not Pilates.
>> Yeah, but you're always there.
>> Thanks.
>> But like I mean you're not my hobby.
You're my full-time gig, baby.
>> You're my full-time gig in my personal life.
>> So, am I the the pants of the outside or the the underwear of the outside?
>> No, you're the shirt.
>> I'm the shirt.
>> Yeah, you're the shirt. I wear you all the time.
>> Optional.
>> No. No shoe, no shirt, no shoes, no no shirt, no shoes, no service, >> isn't it? No shoes, no shirt, no service.
>> Sure. No shirt, no shoe, no shirt. Why are you doing shirt first?
>> Because the shirt is on top.
>> Walk into the room. Shirt.
>> Shirts on shirts. Shirts first. No shirt. Shoes. No service.
>> Well, I don't give a sh.
>> Is that funny? Did you laugh? Do you find that funny?
>> It is weird that they don't mention pants. Like, I understand that it's implied, but >> it's because pants are the one thing that is absolutely expected.
Cuz think about fits, right? You can pull up no shoes, shirt, pants, or no shoes, pants. You can show up, shoes, pants, no shirt. No one's doing shirt, no pants, shoes.
That's never a combination.
>> Donald Duck doesn't get service because he's not wearing shoes or because he's not wearing pants.
>> Well, I think the problem with Donald Duck in that instance is that he is fake. So, I don't think anyone's running the Donald Duck gambit to the club. Do you think in the in the Looney Tunes universe, do you think they have the same rules about clothing? No, because they're animals probably, right? Like Clam could pull up and be served, but she's kind of wearing like Does Does fur count as like a full body outfit? She's kind of wearing a bodysuit.
>> She's naked. She's got a collar on.
>> She's got a collar on.
>> Should we Should we dress them?
>> Well, you've seen how that works. They don't like that.
>> They don't like that. No, it's the opposite in the animal kingdom. It's a shirt, shoes, no service.
>> Yeah, right. If you're wearing a shirt, they're like, get out.
>> Stop being weird. What are you doing?
>> Stop being weird.
>> Yeah, >> take those.
>> But I think that's what it is that the pants are like the focal point of like they're always on no matter what.
>> Sometimes I don't wear pants. Sometimes I just wear underwear and a shirt.
>> Yeah. But at home, we go back to the discussion earlier where most of us don't wear socks at home really like that >> and then some of us wear socks always and sometimes you double sock which like >> my feet get cold.
>> We're just waterboarding our feet.
>> Yeah, but they need but also there it's not like it's the same. It's not like it's the exact same sock. I wear a long sock to help cover this part of my leg and then I wear another short sock to keep my actual foot warm.
>> Yes, >> it's strategic.
You are the top four in in sock analysis.
>> It's just thought out.
>> You're the most strategic socker I know.
>> Yeah, but I do that. That's my whole life. Every every decision you make is a choice whether you know it or not.
>> Sure. Factually.
>> Yeah. So, my choice to wear socks, it's going to be thought out. I'm going to put effort into how I choose to wear my socks. Wait, what are you doing? Oh, no.
You feel bad for me.
>> No, I just want to make sure you understand that I'm not mocking you and I'm not invalidating how you feel.
>> Okay, I understand that and I appreciate that. I have a rule. We're not allowed to talk about socks for the next like month.
>> You think we've talked about it too much?
>> Yes.
>> You know what we talked about a lot?
Sock Puya never came up once.
>> That's true.
>> But too bad we already put the moratorium on socks. Which by the way, completely unrelated topic, but the Minnesota teams in the playoffs aren't doing well. Booyah.
>> The Wild, as of recording right now, are 0 and2 against the ABS. And I made a bet.
>> Yeah, but the A they were all home games for the ABS, right?
>> Correct. So, I'm hoping tonight >> comeback could be on. We'll see.
>> Correct. Because I made a bet that if the Wild loses, I have to wear an ABS jersey to work. I don't want to do that.
>> Oh, to work is kind of nuts. We're in Minnesota. We're >> I know.
I should have made I should have made one for the Timberwolves against the Nuggets, but I didn't.
>> You know what you should have done is just put money on it instead of having to make it be some kind of a like punishment like >> I don't like gambling money.
>> Yeah, but you do realize you're going to be out money anyway because you're going have to spend that money to buy the shirt than wear the shirt. It's almost worse. I'd rather part You know what I mean? Like >> Yeah, that's fair. I'm going to lose both my Well, we didn't specify who had to buy the jersey. So, >> are you hoping that it gets sent to you?
Yeah, >> we'll see. Yeah, I mean the thing with the with the um the Timberwolves at least is that they >> at least everybody's injured.
>> We literally like I honestly was worried we're not going to make it out of the first round after all the injuries we got. And like >> Web is just such a beast, man. Like he really is. And like that is a young team.
>> I could see them like they're >> like I understand if we don't make it out of this round. Yeah.
>> I mean the Western Conference is just a blood bath, isn't it? With with the Spurs now and then obviously with OKC being waiting there for whoever's next anyway. Yeah.
>> Um, yeah. Poor LeBron's getting spanked on the other side by the OKC Thunder, but you know, it happens.
>> It happens.
>> Yeah. Meanwhile, on the East, I'm like, which one of you are going to get sent to slaughter? I don't really trust any of you to be a challenge. So, >> yeah. Anyway, go wild. Go Timberwolves.
Let's go.
>> Yeah.
>> Go Minnesota. Yay. Soda.
>> And I've got that soda >> because it's actually finally summer. I mean, it might only be 50° F, but like things are green outside.
>> They are. The trees are are growing.
>> The trees are growing. I haven't been wearing a coat. I mean, I've been cold, but I've been wearing a coat, so that's a >> big improvement if you don't know.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, >> I get cold.
>> As evidenced by the clothing item that shall not be named, >> um, the the foot smotherers.
>> Anyway, hope you all had fun with this.
Uh, don't even know. What do you think the title of this episode's going to be?
>> The hotter red flags.
>> Ooh, I like that. Red flag or weird.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. Yeah, I like that. Um, can we please not put any foot garments on the thumbnail?
>> Why? I was going to put a sock. I mean, >> all right. Little did you know, uh, for every time you say it in the next month, I'm going to gamble $50. So 50 bucks.
But is it like like a sure thing kind of gamble or is this like >> It's a 50/50. We're gonna we're going to bet on black or red.
>> Okay. 50/50 is fine.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, because then statistically you probably just >> break even.
>> Break even.
>> Yeah. Or you say it three times and we mess up three times. We're down 150.
>> I'll just keep saying it because that's how gambling works, right? So if I keep if you keep betting eventually you back up. Do you feel like in this weird moment that if I gamble it, you don't feel like you've gambled it?
>> Yeah, it's our resources.
>> Yeah. So, you'd feel like you gambled it? Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> You're being a lot more chill than I expected over that.
>> Where are you going to go to gamble?
>> Online?
>> What?
>> You're going to play roulette online?
>> Yeah, that's a thing.
>> Okay. Yeah. No, I know it's a thing.
>> Yeah. I just I I guess you can start streaming on kick and do a whole >> Yeah. Do a gamba segment. Yeah. No. Um never would do that. I mean, also I've never gotten into doing gambling online because I have a feeling I I' then feel realize how easy it is to do and then I do it more. So, >> I mean, yeah, gambling addiction is it's like one of those >> I just I've never also I've never trusted the the electronic side of gambling.
>> Yeah, exactly. Because it's rigged.
That's why I'm like, give me a physical table that I can look at.
>> A physical table could be rigged, too, though.
>> Yeah. But like at least that feels a little bit more This goes back to Survivor. It's like that feels like my the destiny is kind of more in my own hands versus >> this feels a lot more luck based quite frankly.
>> Well, and I think black versus red, too.
Like >> it's a little bit less.
>> Mhm.
>> It's basically got to hit one of those unless it >> You know what? I'm going to hit you with the Mr. Beast segment right now.
>> Uh >> oh.
>> Um heads or tails? Tails.
>> Okay. Well, >> did I win?
>> It's flipping.
>> Okay, Tails. I win.
>> All right.
>> You owe me 50 bucks.
>> Socks. All right. We're running it back.
>> Wait, but I didn't pick anything.
>> Tails again for you.
>> Oh, okay. Well, it's heads.
>> See?
>> Okay. See, now we break even.
>> Wait, am I picking again?
>> Okay, it's Tails. I win. See?
>> $50, please.
$50, please.
Okay, we shook on it. So, and everybody saw it.
>> That was a shake for sure.
>> Yeah. All right. Anyway, um socks to sock. I hope everyone had fun here with us today. Um again, I apologize for the later delay on this, but also I hope you understand that um I'm really trying to figure my my sleep out. So, hopefully this is the start of a change and we'll see how it goes. Uh you can find me talking 90day with Annabelle this week.
Uh, we did the um the two-parter tell all. Season's done next week. It's a brand new season, brand new 90-day. So, I'm excited to embark on into that those waters. But you can check out that podcast. And as Lyanna said, the BMBB is coming out. So, make sure you be on the lookout for that to hear Lyanna's thoughts on the app and also Mike's thoughts on the app and also um the guest thoughts on the app.
>> Cool.
>> All right, y'all. Take care. Have a good one. We'll see you next week.
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