This video examines how systemic oppression, generational trauma, and environmental conditioning create psychological frameworks that lead young Black men toward self-destruction, using the Julio Foolio murder trial as a case study. The content explains that when minds are enslaved through repeated exposure to violence, poverty, and normalized destruction, physical consequences like imprisonment become inevitable outcomes. The speaker emphasizes that while understanding these psychological mechanisms is crucial, it does not absolve individual accountability, and that communities must actively work to prevent such outcomes through education, mentorship, and positive role models.
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Happy Saturday. Happy Saturday. Happy Saturday. What's going on? We in here.
What's going on? How y'all doing? How y'all doing, man? We got a serious topic to talk about today.
a culture of destruction we have curated unfortunately especially amongst a lot of our I ain't going to say a lot but a good number in effective number of good of young black men have adopted this destructive street culture and it's playing out right in front of us in real time but I We got to learn how to use these stories in a more constructive way to get the point across to a lot of our young black men because four young black men are being sentenced to life in prison because of taking the life of another young black man.
But this story is bigger than just this trial and just what happened with [music] the Jacksonville native rapper Julio Fulio.
I have a video that I'm going to start off with to give you some backstory. You know, I like to lay the foundation.
Renee, what's going on? Happy Saturday, Renee. How you doing? How you doing? We laying the foundation cuz we talking about how a Jacksonville based street misunderstanding turned into a war, a street war that lasted over a decade. We talking about something that began what we're talking about today. It's not even the culmination of this. It's the latest installment of what happened. But this stuff started in the early 2000s.
I was just, you know, in preparation for this, I'm just I was just watching another one of the documentaries because this started not just between the rapper Julio Fulio, but between Julio Fulio and another rapper named Young and Ace. Um, Julio Fulio is from Jacksonville. Young and Ace is a is a young rapper, street dude who was born in Chicago and moved to Jacksonville. And from my understanding, all of this started over a misunderstanding.
And that's why I'm going to play the video to lay a foundation for where we are today. [music] So, like I say, four young men are being sentenced to life in prison.
And one of the young men, he ain't even a street dude. And that's the crazy part about it. And you know, the internet is reacting especially to not only the sentencing, but a lot of the commentary around the sentencing. There is a jail expert, and we're going to show that video, the jail expert who is explaining how his labor will be used while he's in prison. And so that's why you see the title, from street ninjas to legal slaves, from yins to slaves.
When your mind is already enslaved, your body will soon follow. Remember that.
When our mind, if our minds are already enslaved, the body will soon follow.
[music] It's a matter of time. And in the street life, you know, there's only two ways out. Dead or in jail. And these young men are finding out the hard way.
They are literally losing their lives to the street. And it's crazy. And we got to do something about it. We have to we need to do more about it. I I should say I don't want to say we need to do something about it cuz there there are a lot of people doing a lot but we need more and these are the people I'm always talking about I'm always advocating for who actually need the support who need the help. We like to support the charismatic people but we don't like to support the grassroot people who really out trying to stop things like this. We got a lot to get we got a lot to get into today. So, I want to make sure we utilize this time wisely and make sure that we have a full understanding of how we get to where we at today and leave here with a better understanding of how we can better affect our young men, better affect our community, but also with us understanding how important healthy families are, how important healthy communities are, how important healthy societies are. Well, hell, how we might need to get our stuff together and start loving ourselves more rather than hating ourselves. Because when you hate your own self and you hate your image and everything that reminds you of yourself, it's easy for you to destroy it.
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All right. All right. All right. All right. So, let's go ahead and stop wasting time getting into this. And Renee, what's up? Uh, shout out to North Carolina. You know, you up there with Pat. Pat is in North Carolina as well.
So, shout out to North Carolina. Shout out to the South. You know, you know how we do. Shout out to everybody as well.
So, so today we're not just talking about the murder of another rapper, right? We're talking about the destruction of black minds. [music] We're talking about young black men who were born with potential, born with brilliance, born with life inside of them. But somewhere along the way, they became emotionally disconnected from humanity itself. A young man celebrated his birthday and ended up ambushed and murdered. Four other young black men now faced the possibility of spending the rest of their lives, actually these young men are spending the rest of their lives in prison because they said without the possibility of parole. One young man, as we know, Julio Fulio, he's not with us anymore. Four in prison, multiple families destroyed, children traumatized, mothers grieving, communities damaged. And remember, this stuff was happening over a decade. This stuff started in the early 2000s. This has been going on over a decade, right?
This is just the latest installment in this. And the question we have to ask today is this. How does this keep happening over and over and over and over and over again? Right? So, Dr. Amos Wilson warned us that oppressed people can be psychologically engineered into self-destruction.
I'mma read that again. Dr. Amos Wilson warned us that oppressed people can be psychologically engineered into self-destruction. France Fenon warned us that colonized people often redirect their rage towards each other.
Neil Fuller Jr. argued that the system of white supremacy functions best when black people destroy one another without the system having to fit have having to lift the finger. It's on autopilot. And Dr. Joy Deg Grrew showed us how generational trauma shapes behavior and emotional responses. So you already know today we're going to examine it all because these young men were not born into were not born to be killers. They were made that. They were shaped that way. They were conditioned. They were programmed. They were influenced. the environment around them, everything that they took in helped to shape them into the [music] violent young men that they became.
Right? So, but this is not an explanation or or an excuse. This is laying a foundation, making sure we understand how we get here, right? Cuz we can acknowledge trauma without removing accountability. We're looking at untreated trauma, right? We can analyze the system without pretending individuals made no choices, right?
still talking about people who went out and did things that a lot of us don't do and we're traumatized by the same system and we can love our people enough to tell the truth and that's what we do over here. Somewhere along the way, men and our young men learned that respect comes from fear. That masculinity means emotional numbness and that relation is strength. Excuse me. Retaliation is strength.
And that prison or death is simply a part of life, which is sad, right? So that's not culture, that's social decay.
So today, we're going to examine how a group of young men went from the streets to prison cells and some of them to the cemetery.
Because if we don't understand the psychology behind this destruction, we will continue burying our young men while the system profits from the chaos.
So, let me start with something. This is not the best, but it is what it is. It's the truth. This is a backstory. It's a 9m minutee video giving a backstory of how we got to know and understand and be in the situation with the Julio Julio, but also how was connected to the to the other young man, Young and Ace. So, please hit the like button, comment, subscribe, and share and hit that button as well.
Florida's music scene has been at the center of attention for a number of years now. X is passing, Y and W Melly's death penalty case, and Kodak being released after a number of years behind bars, have all made the media aware what's going on. But right now, two other artists out of Florida, the ones getting all the attention for their altercations. It's already cost both sides lives and made Jacksonville nothing less than a war zone [music] in a shooting that killed an 18-year-old and injured a teenager and a 9-year-old girl.
>> Now, let me say this. There's a there's uh like the documentary I was just watching. Within the first 3 minutes, 3 to 5 minutes of that documentary, within the first 3 to 5 minutes, like a thousand people die. Like a thousand people are taken out. Our young people, young men and women are taken out.
Babies and all. This is crazy.
Police say Kenyan Bullard, who is also known by his rapper name Young and Ace, is charged with whoever is responsible for the quadruple shooting that hurt Bullard and killed three others on Tuesday night. They are encouraging this morning. Unfortunately, Willie Addison did not. He died of his injuries and his family inside the parking lot of Hilltop apartment complex [music] as Andrean Gainor Jr. They say he was a war with us. Like they don't want to go to war with me. I'm going to die about me.
You hear me?
>> Here's what comes off a bowl of strawberries when you drop this device in the water. These berries are fresh from the store and already rinsed under the tap. But within 10 minutes, the water changes color. What floats to the surface will change how you feed your family. My [music] >> from the north side of Jazzville, 1646 West Street.
Kay, better known as Young and Ace, was actually born in Chicago and is one of 12 brothers. This made things difficult for his single mother growing up, which caused him to move around and relocate often before settling in Jacksonville, Florida area. His dad was serving time in prison, which left him without a father figure as well. He mostly looked up to his uncle as the man in his life.
But when his uncle passed away when he was just 14, he took to the streets to let out the pain and anger he now had.
While in the streets, he searched for an outlet to tell his story. Doing this, he found his passion for music and established his crew, ATK or Ace to Kill.
[music] >> Right. Rene.
>> He started dropping music in 2014, but it wasn't until 2018 that things started to take off with songs like No Witness, All In, and Find Myself. Due to the realness of his music, it didn't take long for him to gain traction and build a following online.
[music] [singing] >> Is not legit, [ __ ] Two, I'mma let it pop in the [ __ ] [ __ ] [music] Three, they just had a little stupid [ __ ] The four [singing] knew he was [music] >> Charles, better known as Julio Fulio, was born and raised in Florida's Duval County. He describes his childhood as lacking any type of quality of life.
Although he always raped, he didn't really take it serious.
>> You hear that? His childhood lacking any quality of life. These young men, I I don't think a lot of people understand how some of these young men grow up in some of the most decrepit and worst environments because the adults that birthed them and the adults that are around them are some of the worst people ever.
until dropping out of school in the ninth grade. He had no money for studio time, leaving him to hustle to make things happen. He began getting noticed in 2015 after dropping songs like Coming Up, which was enough for him to start booking shows and making money off music. He branded himself with his crew KTA or Kill Them All. Over the next couple years, his popularity would increase in Florida's music scene. Young and Ace and Julio's beef would start sometime around 2017 over what they say was actually a misunderstanding. It's somewhat unclear what the misunderstanding was, but it quickly led to a battle and then a full-on war.
>> Police say it was in this home where 18-year-old Zion Brown was shot by 19-year-old Deontree Thomas. JSO says that they have >> In 2017, Julio's cousin was murdered inside his home at 1:00 in the morning.
[music] The man who was arrested for the crime was associated with Young and Ace, further escalating the beef to another level. [music] Just a year later in June 2018, Young and Ace was gaining traction in Florida. But everything was about to change.
>> Jacksonville police have arrested the only surviving victim of the quadruple shooting that happened near the St. John's Town Center earlier this week.
>> Police say he had a firearm on him, which is against his probation, of course. So this morning, he is in jail set to make his first appearance in >> Ace, his brother, and two friends were celebrating a birthday party when they were pulled up on. Shots rang off in a drive-by shooting. He was shot eight times and was the only survivor of the four people in the car that day, losing his brother and two friends. He believed Julio was one of the shooters, but for obvious reasons, Julio denies this. He would get all three of his brothers tattooed across his stomach before planning a retaliation. Before Ace could recover, he was already arrested for violating his probation with a firearm.
He was put under house arrest, but he used his time to tell his stories and drop two mixtapz and continued to build his buzz. Julio wasted no time to mock Ace's losses with a few social media posts.
>> Friends say Addison, his father, and brother were among six shot early yesterday morning, leaving the Paradise Gentleman's Club on Bay Meadows Road.
[music] >> In January of 2019, a rapper by the name of Boson was gunned down after leaving a gentleman's club. Boson's brother happened to be Queso, who was young and AC's right-hand man. Just one month later in February, a 16-year-old who went by the name of Bibby Osama was also killed. He was friends with Julio. Julio released his tribute track, Bby Story Online, which helped bring some mainstream attention to him and the war in Jacksonville. ATK Queso responded with a diss track of his own.
[music] >> In the song, he describes how things went down that night and would actually gain a couple million views. At this point, KTA and ATK were basically trading body for body as things started to spiral out of control.
>> Julio would be shot at and had a bullet graz's head. But when he survived, they also went for his girlfriend who was shot at as well.
>> Julio would lose two more friends, Spaz 2X and Rodk, two days in a row before going for Ace.
Shortly after, in March of 2019, Ace would be the target of another shooting, this time at his hotel in Georgia.
on this group. A local recording artist who goes by the name Young and Ace. He was not arrested. However, they do believe that this stems from an ongoing conflict.
>> Once again, Ace survived the shooting but lost another friend in the process.
After three men were identified, it came to light that the shooters were from Jacksonville as well. And it was a targeted hit for Ace. With Julio and KTA reigning havoc on Ace and his affiliates, it was only a matter of time before they struck back again themselves.
Ladies and gentlemen, may we have your attention for this important announcement from the co >> location on Merryill Road in Arlington.
Sources are telling us that the victim was shot in the head and killed in this parking lot. Two suspects are on the run and a manhunt is currently underway. I just spoke with a >> on January 15, 2020. KTA Lil Buck was gunned down in a shopping center in broad daylight.
After a police manhunt, the two men involved managed to escape through the neighborhood's backyards. ATK member Queso was known for dissing following KTA members after losing his brother. He even put their faces on the cover of his mixtape. The shooting that killed Lil Buck was a targeted hit in response to losing his brother, Boson, in 2019.
Eight months later, he and his dad were arrested for the murder of Lil Buck. Did you Did you hear that? Did you hear that? Did you hear that? I was waiting on this part to come up. Did you hear that?
this baldhead man who ain't representing us baldhead people, right? This is the father of this young man and this baldhead old man decide to insert himself into some stuff they got to do with these young folk instead of trying to prevent this stuff from happening and instead of being a a smart person, he want to be up in it. He's out here thugging with his teenage son, taking out other young black teens.
this old fool. How is he? He never This young man never had a chance. If this is his father, which it is his father, he never had a chance.
Never had a chance. That's real crazy.
How you go out and and deleting and and eliminating other young black men with your son? What?
Come on, man.
This is This stuff is wild. And like I say, there's a there's a whole another I'mma um I'mma try to find that and I'mma try to drop it in my post, but there's a whole another full like hourlong documentary that depicts this in detail of all this crazy stuff. But yeah, this part right here, he out here [music] thugging with his son. What?
But the beef was far from over.
By this point, Julio and Ace were both getting their names out there musically, but still refused to let the smoke clear. Although most people outside of Jacksonville, Florida, didn't know what exactly was going on, it would gain nationwide exposure in March of 2021. I smoke.
[music] >> On March 28th, 2021, ATK members Ace, Spin a Bend, Fast Money Goon, and Whopper with the Chopper will release Who I Smoke? On the outside, it may seem like a funny parody of the song A, Thousand Miles, but it was actually another KTA disc. And throughout the song, they disrespect multiple KTA members deaths. The song will go viral, but the meaning behind it would go over a lot of uninformed people's heads.
>> Yeah, that's perfect. How it work?
>> Yeah, that's the best per happy birthday. Best poster ever. Video shoot.
Um, >> a month later in April, Julio responded with an equally disrespectful song, When I See You. This time, taking it to another level. not only mocking Ace's brother and two friends who died in 2018, but also shooting the video in the cemetery with their pictures. At this point, both sides have refused to leave the beef alone. And with countless losses for both, it doesn't look like it's going to stop here. Both songs would bring their name in front of a new audience of people, but for the wrong reasons. At the end of the day, both these artists and their crews are musically talented. We can only hope they manage to leave the street war behind and focus on their careers because the music industry can't afford to lose more potential. Uh I don't think I'm talking, >> man. This is sad. This is sad. This is sad. But this is this is where our community is. This is sad. Like these young men really out here behaving like this. And and and you know what I was thinking about as I was watching this?
Uh, it made me made me think about um I can't remember the name of the movie, but it was a movie that Idris Ela was in and it was about um the child the child soldiers over in Africa. I forgot which country in one of the West African countries. It was depicting how they train up these child soldiers. And one of the things is to get to them young like these young men. These cats are young. Like this Julio Fulio guy, he's talking about, you know, buying his first gun in the seventh grade and and watching somebody get murdered right in front of him, you know, at 12 years old and, you know, it ain't nothing. Went to sleep that night and whatever. It's like all this trauma is is building up over and over and over. Unhealed. Yeah. Tears of the sun. Yes. Yes. Yes. Tears of the sun. And how how all of this unhealed trauma. Think about these these young men have been experiencing all this stuff since they was babies. Some of them in the womb growing up in these environments, right? So with that understanding, right, we should have the mindset that this right here what we're looking at that we're going to examine moving forward because now we're going to be looking at the actual trial. But let me give you a little more foundation, right? This is not just another rap murder case, right?
This [music] is a what we're doing today. What what I'm doing right now is a psychological case study and a social engineering case study, right? [music] A breakdown of how trauma, poverty, hyper masculinity, and systematic conditioning produce self-destruction inside black communities, particularly our black males. Right? So, the killing of Julio Fulio represents cycles of retaliation.
Street identity replacing true identity.
Young men trained to value reputation over life, emotional numbness and community fragmentation. Matter of fact, uh the the community not existing, black people just in in in areas doing what they do, right? Because how do young black men become emotionally disconnected enough to ambush and to murder another black man celebrating his birthday or just ambush ambush and murder another black man period? Right? But that's how that's that's the information that we've been studying on this channel the longest.
How do we become so emotionally disconnected? Right? It's the psych it's the social engineering over time. It's the environment. They grew up in an environment that never valued their own humanity or anybody else's humanity. It was always about survival. My brother Will, what's going on? Battle Genja, what's going on?
Charles, how you doing? Said epigenetic transfers of trauma. You already know.
Beast of all Oh yeah, you right. Yes.
Beast of all nations. Yes, Charles. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It was Beast of All Nations. You are correct.
You are correct. You are correct. He you are. Yeah. U Renee says he was desensitized as they all are. How they are able to commit the crime. You right.
Yeah. Straight desensitized. Like humanity doesn't matter anymore. Only thing is is whatever's on their mind.
Whatever's fueling them at the time.
They don't know who their true enemies are. When they look in the mirror, they see themselves. That's the biggest op they see when they look in the mirror.
Unfortunately, cuz they've learned to hate themselves. because you got to you can't have no love for yourself if you're willing to go out and take out your own folk, right? So, this young man Julio Fulio, as we saw a bit of, he was a Jacksonville rapper deeply tied to a gang conflict in this culture, especially the decadel long war that went on between Julio Fulio and the other rapper Young and Ace. And from my understanding, Young and Ace is still alive. So um he was known for violent lyrical content, public feuds, mocking dead rivals online as we saw and representing ongoing neighborhood warfare as we saw. This culture normalized death before the murder even happened.
So June 23rd, 2024, Fio traveled to Tampa for his birthday celebration. His hotel location allegedly became known to the public. His attackers tracked him.
Gunman ambushed the vehicle. Multiple shooters opened fire. Fio was killed during the attack. Um they planned this all out because uh the the young men, the four young four gunmen, they also traveled to Tampa. They planned it out.
They surveiled everything. It was a it was a whole elaborate laid out premeditated plan, right? Filled with emotional attachment. And I'm wondering I'm still wondering how Gothright the the the the guy who's really going viral, the light-skinned guy who's really going viral online. I'm still wondering how he got involved in this because he comes he's Gothright is Clarence from 8 Mile because he comes from a good family, a good home, a good community, a good society. He went to private school and all these things here. So I'm still wondering how he got caught up in it because Gthright lost his future playing Thug.
And I don't really have no sympathy for that. I don't have no sympathy for somebody who out here who have options to do better but choose to do worse. You stupid. Like these other young men, their options, like think about it.
You your option is college or whatever.
You got good options. Let's say the options are a million dollars versus $2 million versus these other people. Their options are get shot and get stabbed. and you over here hanging with these people willingly, not like you have to, but willingly and you have better options in your life and you choose worse. Well, I don't have no sympathy for that. Right. So, um Isaiah Chance who's 23 years old, Shawn Gothright who's 20 years old, Rashad Murphy who's 32 years, this he 32, and Devon and DaVon Murphy who's 29.
You got 32 year olds and 29 year olds hanging with 20 and 23 year olds out there banging on people. That's crazy.
Ages show how young adulthood destroyed early. The prime years of their life it's it's gone. Their prime years are gone. It's gone. They throw it away.
Their emotional immaturity mixed with their so-called street ideology.
And what we and and and what we always know how this stuff always ends either in the prison [music] or the cemetery.
But these these young men got a one-way ticket to the prison. So, let's go ahead and get to this video because this is the uh the jury giving out the verdict to these young men and them these young men learning their fate.
Got to be better, man. Got to be better.
So, let's do it. Very good. Let's bring in our jury.
I hear you, Will. I hear you, Will. But you know, we got to we got to we got to make sure we making better decisions.
Young men threw their lives away. It's crazy.
Now, this is golf right right here. This is the the the the young man who went viral.
>> He's definitely He's definitely a follower, Renee.
>> All right.
>> He's weak-minded.
Ernest, what's going on?
You are You are correct, Ernest. You are correct. It's a sad truth. It's a sad truth, Ernie. Sad truth.
>> All jurors are in good.
>> Okay. Very good. Everyone have a seat.
All right. It is my understanding that the jury has reached their verdict. Is that correct? Okay. I would ask the four person of the jury to please hand the verdict forms to the baiff.
[snorts] Imagine being able to build anything [music] just by thinking about it. Meet base 44.
>> [music] >> None. None whatsoever. The oldest dude is 32 years old. You ain't no leaders nowhere. If the oldest is 32, what is he doing?
This is that trashy, tacky, and terroristic behavior that Neil Fuller Jr. be talking about. And and remember, he also says, "Stand by your work. Don't be looking all sad, y'all. They need that same keep that same energy.
>> Publish the verdicts and um do not read the name of the four person. Okay. For the record, it's juror 157 initials CS.
All right.
>> State of Florida versus Isaiah Germaine Chance. Case number 24 CF 1196A.
Trial Division 1 verdict form. We the jury finds as follows. As to count one, victim Charles Jones, the defendant is guilty of first-degree murder as charged.
Did Did the state of Florida prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member or an associate of a of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of a criminal gang? Yes. We the jury finds as follows as to count two victim Charles Jones.
The defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder as charged.
Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member or an associate of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting or furthering the interest of a criminal gang? Yes. So say we all dated this 8th day of May for person of the jury. Jury number 157 CS.
>> Right. Right.
>> State of Florida versus Sean Andre Gather. trying to trying to look trying to make themselves look trial division one verdict form. We the jury finds as follows as to count one victim.
The defendant is guilty of first-degree murder as charged. Now lift your head up.
>> During the commission of lift up the defendant personally carry, display, use, threaten to use, or attempt to use a firearm. Yes. During the commission of the offense, the defendant actually possessed a firearm. Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm?
Yes.
We the jury finds and follows as to count two, victim Charles Jones, the defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first degree murder as charged.
We the jury finds as as follows. As to count three, victim Xavier Edwards, the defendant is guilty of attempted seconddegree murder, a lesser included offense.
During the commission of the offense, did the defendant personally carry, display, use, threaten to use, or attempt to use a firearm? Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually possess a firearm?
Yes.
During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm? Yes. We the jury finds as follows. as to count for Gino Norris.
The defendant is guilty of attempted seconddegree murder, a lesser included offense. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant personally carry, display to use, or attempt to use a firearm?
>> Especially you.
>> During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually possess a firearm? Yes.
>> You already know. Did the defendant discharge a firearm? Yes. Get that thing to count five. Victim Kamia Bentley.
>> The defendant is guilty of attempted seconddegree murder. A lesser included offense.
During the commission of the offense, did the defendant personally carry, display, use, threaten to use, or attempt to use a firearm? Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant personally possess a firearm?
Yes.
of the offense that the defendant actually discharged.
>> Teach these young men a lesson.
>> The defendant is guilty of tampering with physical evidence as charged. So say this 8th day of May, 2026.
>> Hold your head up, boy. Take it like a man.
157 CS four person of the jury state of Florida versus Rashad Trayvon Murphy.
>> No, I I they just paying to the look like the supporters. I I I know they wasn't expecting anything less. They couldn't have been expecting anything less.
They out here murdering people. Come on now.
So realization that he might have to guard his hat and he light skin with the waves. He What's crazy is this dude has already gone a bit viral because women are talking about his looks. It's crazy.
So you know they going he hey he's Clarence from 8 Mile. You know he went to a private school. Clarence parents had a real good marriage. He ain't really in these streets like that. He hanging with Cassie in these streets.
I hope he can fight.
I hope he can fight cuz if not, his name Sean. His name going to be Shauna when he come out.
Now he ain't about that life. He ain't about that life, Will. He's a You know, back in the days they called them the studio gangsters.
>> Case number 24 CF 1196D.
Trial division one verdict formed. We the jury finds as follows. as to count one victim Charles Jones. The defendant is guilty of first-degree murder as charged. During the commission of the offense, the defendant personally carry, display, use, threaten to use, or attempt to use a firearm? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member or an associate of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of a criminal gang?
>> Hi, [music] it's Mark Barton from Sandy Hook Promise, the shooter who murdered my sweet little >> Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually possess a firearm? Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm?
[music] Yes. We the jury find to count two, the defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder as charged.
>> Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was a member or an associate of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of a criminal gang? Yes. We the jury finds as follows as to count three victim Xavier Edwards. The defendant is guilty of attempted seconddegree murder, a lesser included offense. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant personally carry, display, use, threaten to use, or attempt to use a firearm? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member or an associate of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of a criminal gang? Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually possess a firearm?
Yes.
During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm? Yes. We the jury finds as follows. As to count four, victim Gino Norris, the defendant is guilty of attempted seconddegree murder, a lesser included offense. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant personally carry, display, use, threaten to use, or attempt to use a firearm?
Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member or an associate of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of a criminal gang? Yes.
During the commission of the offense, the defendant actually possessed a firearm. Yes. [music] During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm?
Yes. We the jury finds as follows. As count five, victim committent. The defendant is guilty of attempted seconddegree murder a lesser included offense. During the commission of the offense that the defendant personally carry, display, use, threaten to use, or attempt to use a firearm? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member of a was a member or an associate of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. We going to get to that.
Committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of a criminal gang? Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually possess a firearm?
Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm? Yes. So say we all dated this 8th day of May 2026 jury number 157 CS for person of the jury in the state of Florida versus Davion vers Murphy case number 24 CF1996E trial division one verdict form we the jury finds as follows as to count one victim Charles Jones the defendant is guilty of firstdegree murder as charged.
If during the commission of the offense, the defendant personally carry Did the defendant personally carry display used to threaten use threatened to use or attempt to use a firearm? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member or an associate of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes.
Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of a criminal gang? Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually possess a firearm?
Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm? Yes. We the jury finds as follows. as to count two victim Charles Jones, the defendant of conspiracy to commit murder first degree conspiracies [music] conspiracy to commit first-degree murder as charged. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member or an associate of a Hey.
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criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of criminal gang? Yes.
During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually possess a firearm? Yes. [music] During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm?
Yes. We the jury finds as follows. As to count five, victim committently, the defendant is guilty of attempted seconddegree murder, a lesser included offense. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant personally carry, display, use, threaten to use, or attempt to use their firearm? Yes.
Did the Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was a member or an associate of a criminal gang during the commission of the offense? Yes. Did the state prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant committed the crime for the purpose of benefiting, promoting, or furthering the interest of criminal gang? Yes. During the commission of the offense, did the defendant actually possess a firearm?
Yes. And during the commission of a offense, did the defendant actually discharge a firearm? Yes. So say we all dated this 8th day of May, 2026. Jury number 157, CS4 person of the jury.
>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. All right, members of the jury, I'm now going to ask you all the same question. I'm going to ask you if this was your true and correct verdict. Okay? So, I'm going to call you by your juror number and your initials. All right. Juror number nine, initials, DM. Is this your true and correct verdict? Juror number 16, initials AM. Is this your true and correct verdict?
Juror number 19, initials L Y. Is this your true and correct verdict?
>> Yes.
>> Juror number 24, initials WW. Is this your true and correct verdict?
>> Yes.
>> Juror number 32, initials CRP. Is this your true and correct verdict?
>> Yes.
>> Juror number 47, initials AM. Is this your true and correct verdict?
>> Yes.
>> Juror number 49, initi initials CG. Is this your true and correct verdict?
>> Yes.
>> Is it battle just saying it's froze on his end? Is it is this froze on y'all's end? Y'all let me know real quick before I start it back cuz this it's playing on my end. Is it froze on y'all end?
>> Okay. All right. All right.
>> Juror number 78, initials AC. Is this your true and correct verdict?
>> Juror number 142, initials TL. Is this your true and correct verdict?
>> Juror number 157, initials CS. Is this your true and correct verdict?
Juror number 158, initials JH, is this your true and correct verdict? And juror number 167, initials J. Is this your true and correct verdict?
>> Yes.
>> All right. Very [music] good. Um, so as the jury has found defendants guilty of first-degree murder, this means we will proceed to the penalty phase. We're going to start that Monday at 1:00 in the afternoon. All right? So you all have not yet been discharged from your service as a juror. So um therefore you um are not to discuss anything.
>> So that that is the you know them reading the verdict after you know after they did the trial and everything.
That's them reading the verdict basically.
I appreciate all y'all and sorry about technical difficulties. Hey but we back.
We back. We back. So, these young men pretty much um are looking at spending the rest of their lives in prison behind some some foolishness that you know I showed you from the beginning where it all started from a misunderstanding between two rappers in Jacksonville, Florida. And then Sean Gothright Clarence aka Clarence whose parents had a real good marriage decide to involve himself and now him and all his waves are going to jail. Right. But let's look at it from this angle as well, right?
Their minds were enslaved before their bodies were enslaved. And if your mind is enslaved, then your body is soon to follow, right? [music] So to take it like from some of the ideologies of Dr. Amos Wilson, right?
Black males are often socially engineered into self-destructive ideologies. the environment, the messaging, everything was reinforced on a reg on a regular basis. All violence, all all desolence, all war, all of this stuff that that we like to now promote as authentic black culture, right? It is what was reinforced into their lives over and over and over and over, right?
It became like for them violence became tied to masculinity. Violence is their form of masculinity. Even though we know that they are so far from being a real man, it ain't even funny. So far from it, right? Intelligence is replaced with impulsiveness and emotional reactions.
Matter of fact, intelligence was never something on the table.
Right now, that that isn't to say that these young men don't have some gifts and all these things here, but it was never nurtured. Doesn't matter if they have it if it's if it isn't nurtured.
What was nurtured was the violent parts of them, the animalistic parts of them, this stuff, the gang stuff, the street stuff. This is this is the stuff that was reinforced. This is the stuff that was poured into them. You saw the You saw in the opening video, you saw the father and the son in tandem going out terrorizing the streets of Jacksonville, right?
Looking at some of these young men who believe that retaliation equal power. They believe that fear equal respect and violence equals identity because of the lack of real structure, the lack of real discipline, the lack of real direction in their environments. Right. Right.
[music] But in real life, in reality, they've surrendered their futures. It's gone. They're going to be wards of the state now. Here, and they down here in Florida. And you know, we crazy as hell down here in Florida. And we are very racist [music] in Florida. Don't get it twisted. We are very racist in Florida.
We just beach racist. We just different types of racist. And let me let me break Florida down for y'all, right? because they going to be spending pretty much the rest of their lives in the penitentiary in Florida, right? So, let me break Florida down, right? So, you got North Florida, you got Central Florida, you got South Florida, you got Miami, and you got the Keys. And then you got Jacksonville, too. Jacksonville kind of like its own little entity in North Florida, right? Cuz Jacksonville don't operate like the rest of North Florida. My North Florida, I'm in North Florida. This is North Florida, South Georgia, South Alabama. We all racist as hell. We have the same stuff that Georgia and uh Alabama have. We just got palm trees, right? And orange juice, right? Then you get to Central Florida who is still racist. It's still racist.
They just got Orlando and Disney where they still racist. Then you get to South Florida where you have racism from all these other ethnic and racial groups.
And then you got Miami where it's racism from all these other ethnic and racial groups. and you got the keys. Well, hell, if you ain't got no money, you ain't down there anyway.
Florida is a very racist place. We are in the South. Don't get it twisted.
And like in this video, we're going to see, they are helping to strengthen the economy of the prison and they are very, very, very disposable young men. Very disposable. you're going to see like um cuz in this in this next clip that we're going to see is one of the pieces that went viral over the internet because people didn't like the way that that the the jail expert was describing how especially Sean Gothright how he's going to be used for labor.
Hey man, look, we ain't we don't be playing down here in Florida. We are we are the stupid crazy violent state for a reason. Like we wrestle alligators for fun and bite we'll bite the alligator back. We stupid. Like it's crazy down here in Florida and the racism is on a whole another level.
So understanding that like we got to make sure we're doing things to keep ourselves out of this system. This system is designed to make sure that these prisons get filled up. You know, these places get soothed. These cities get soothed if these prisons ain't filled to a certain capacity. They love these black human bodies cuz they know these black men are already conditioned to throw their lives away. They know these black men are already conditioned to not love themselves. They know these the clan ain't got to ride when you got golf and Julio Foolio Young and Nation and all these cats out here. Why why do white folk got to do it? We doing it to ourselves. The the conditioning is on autopilot.
Hey man, it's on autopilot down here in Florida.
The Florida The Florida man Monica is real. It it it it's a reputation that was earned. We will eat your face off down here [music] in Florida.
Like the violence is crazy down here as well. like and Jacksonville being um you know the most populated city in Florida and you know a lot of people sleep on the reputation because they think about Miami but Florida like we we um we got a lot to do. We got a lot of cleaning up to do, right? But also let's take let's look at another angle, right?
Cuz Neil Fuller Jr. teaches us that white supremacy operates most effectively when oppressed people destroy one another because that means it's working right.
That means the programming is working right. That means the system is doing what it's supposed to do. That means what they instilled, voila, top-notch, right? The system does not chain people does not need chains, right? We don't need physical chains.
That's what I mean to say. Excuse me.
The system doesn't need physical change when we have the mental chains, right?
Because people will not police themselves. they would destroy themselves and they will remove each other from from society voluntarily.
Like we always talking about we need to be policing our neighborhoods, but we're not and we continue to choose not to.
Nobody stopping us from policing our neighborhoods, but we don't. But what we do participate in is the destruction of ourselves and then we like to complain about it when it's when it's done.
So this is as far as like all of these violence and stuff because this is this is not just a culmination. First of all, the death of Julio Fulio is not a culmination of anything. It's another installment and it's this stuff is not going to stop, right? The community is at fault. The families is at fault. Like this our society is at fault. Like everybody's everybody's indicted into this. Like this stuff could have been squashed a long time ago if a lot of the adults that was around this would have been real adults. And as we can see, the adults want to get in on the killing sprees, too. So guess what? Guess what?
Guess what? We got prisons that's going to be filled. We got law enforcement budgets that's going to be up. We got media sensationalism and we got the stereotypes are on display playing out in front of us cuz we told y'all that the Negroes was violent.
We told y'all what what the the funky dyna do. We told y'all the straight black men were cancers of the community.
And see what he was doing was conflating the behavior of these white ends like this to the rest of straight black men's [ __ ] Nah, this is he said squash what conflict resolution is view right.
Yeah. Ain't nothing squashed. Like I say this is just another installment. This stuff has been going on like this particular this particular beef has been going on since 2017. The roots of this beef go back to the early 2000s between like other gangs in in Jacksonville. This stuff ain't stopping no time soon. [music] You think you think the death of Julio Fulio going to make this go away? No, no, no, no, no.
It's going to be some get back. Some folk want some get back cuz it's even more ignorant people out there.
But let's go ahead and get into this video where [music] Sean Gothright is giving this piece.
[snorts] >> You already know it. You already know it. All right.
>> The the Republicans playing the game, a nasty game, and the Democrats out here losing.
>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Battle G.
Okay, very good. Everyone have a seat.
All right, Mr. Flestein, your next witness is >> right.
>> All right, Mr. Gather, please stand up.
Raise your right hand.
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay.
>> Right. Little 20-y old little boy.
>> I hear you, Mr. Ernest.
>> It takes 90 seconds for this NASA engineered AC cool down your room. It's smaller than a toaster. Cools any room in 90 seconds. and uses just a fraction of the energy of a regular >> state for spell.
>> My name is Sean Gatrite.
>> S E A N T H R I G HT >> I was born on October 20th, 2005.
>> Mr. Gather, you've heard um people speak here today on your behalf and yesterday, and I know that you wanted to um address the court in the jury. That's what I would like. Great point. What you want the jury to know?
>> Yeah.
>> I just want to address the court today and you know, I'm not here to dispute anything. I'm just here to be a man [music] and take responsibility and express my feelings.
>> Shut your ass up, little boy.
That I ain't going to lie. When I first heard that, that pissed me off because now you now you choose to be a man.
Now you choose to be a man. Now why not choose to be a man before you got caught up in this stuff that I don't know how you got caught up in this. Why not choose to be a man then? Before you pulled the trigger, before y'all planned to do this, before y'all planned to drive two hours to do this, why not choose to be a man then? You're not no man. This is not manly. See, once again, the the the distorted versions of what masculinity and manhood is. You don't have no choice, fool. You don't have no choice but to take responsibility for this. You are not a man. There's nothing manly about you. I was about to attack his turtleneck, but turtlenecks ain't did nothing to me. Okay, so turtlenecks, [music] but you're not a man. This piss I'm not going to lie, this pissed me off when I heard this. Like, you're not a man. It's nothing. Stop saying that. And he going and he's going to repeat that throughout this. No, [music] no. You are you're in a situation where your back is against the wall and you can't get you there's no way out and you have to take responsibility. That doesn't make you a man.
Making you what will make you a man is you decide not to be involved in this in the beginning, man. Man, he going to get waxed in that prison >> about what, you know, this this whole situation.
Um, you know, that's that's what I plan on doing.
>> Okay. And how do you feel? What >> I feel very remorseful, you know. Um, this is a terrible situation. It's been a a traumatic experience. Um, you know, [sighs] >> let me ask you this. So, >> oh, he traumatized. How old were you when you were arrested?
>> I was 18 years old.
>> I started some college obviously probably didn't get very far. Right.
>> Right.
>> What have you done since you've been >> right?
>> Is there programs? Are there things that you can do there?
>> So, um, you know, I've I've gotten into programs. I've also, you know, I grew up, you know, in church and, you know, in a Christian household. Um, so I refocused my, you know, life to Christ and, you know, I've taken a lot of religious programs. Um, I've read the Bible from cover to cover. Um, I've tried to, you know, share some words, you know, we have prayer circles in the jail and stuff like that. I've led a couple, you know, prayer circles and, um, I've tried to, you know, >> kids around my age or, you know, younger, you know, since I'm 20 years old.
when you turn 18, you know, you go to the adult pods and stuff like that. So, if I see somebody who I see, you know, has a lot of potential and has a chance to keep them from, you know, I wouldn't let nobody in that prison talk to you.
You a dumb ass. They should beat your ass in that prison every day. You the one person who didn't have to be there and you chose to be there. Hey, man. I don't You ain't found God. You ain't really found God. You ain't really found God. If you you would have if you would have really found God, you would have found God out here in the free world on your own free will in the midst of all this craziness. You would have found God, right?
Cuz the people who really finding God don't have to be sat down in the corner after all the consequences is weighing on them. No, you supposed to find God out here in the freight. You don't have no choice. You had nothing else to do.
Of course, you reading the Bible. Of course, you contemplating your decisions. Everything was taken away from you. Real life consequences have hit.
Miss me with that man's stuff and miss me with that God stuff. You ain't found no God.
Stop it. And God wasn't lost. You are [music] >> basically being able to be corrected at at this opportunity and not come back.
You know, I tried to take them under my wing. Um I as you see I have a lot of resources and a lot of family that love me and they've even you know asked me like hey is there anybody in there who doesn't have somebody like that make it even worse send them some money like nobody anything like that. So I've tried to >> you know be a a >> a vessel for God to >> pour over my blessings into those around me.
>> We heard from Mr. Basosa who said that you know in prison that there is opportunities um at times to be a mentor or you do orientations and peer-to-peer they >> trying to trying to come out looking be interested in doing of course you know I definitely want to you know try my absolute best to course correct anybody from falling down a path that they don't have to take >> especially youth I feel like that's my calling that God has put on >> and that's the thing how you going to course correct somebody you don't know you You don't know how to course correct. What are you going to show them? How are you going to teach somebody else to do something you didn't do, you don't know how to do? Show us a history of you course correcting.
This is facing consequences. This is not course correcting. If you wouldn't have got caught, you wouldn't feel you would we wouldn't even be here. If you wouldn't have got caught, you wouldn't even take responsibility for this.
Right. Right. Right. pet. [music] >> Hey, this cat is wild, man.
>> On my heart to, you know, be a mentor to the youth and be a positive influence.
>> He's moistful >> in this world.
>> He's remulful.
>> Um, >> imagine being able to build an app with your name on it just by thinking about it. Meet base 44.
What about those relationships? Like you said, you have a lot of people. Are you able to maintain those relationships now?
>> Yes. So, I mean, everybody who I you know, maintain a relationship wasn't able to all be here today or, you know, even testify, but you know, I talk to them daily, weekly, bi-weekly.
>> You know, Ernest, you know it.
>> I I I I cherish my my my supporters very deeply and I want to maintain responsibility for the rest of my life.
And I know, you know, we don't we're not going to talk about the case itself. He ain't no real Christian that you >> he ain't no real taking accountability.
You felt remorseful. Tell us what what you mean by that and what statement you want to make >> to the victim's family.
You know, I I want to send my deepest condolences and [music] my you know, I understand that it's hard losing a child, a best friend, a brother, a cousin, and for that, I just cannot say sorry enough. You know, I I I feel terrible about the situation.
>> No, you don't.
>> But you don't.
>> I'm a firm believer that >> you feel terrible about being caught.
You feel terrible about facing consequences.
Cuz if you felt terrible two years ago, you would have made a different decision. Stop lying, man.
>> God can use anything for good that the devil wanted for >> shut up. Take grateful for the people I've met for >> God. Like, boy, you got on the turtleneck. Don't bring me into this.
Especially when you have the line with a turtleneck on. Don't bring me into this.
the lessons that I've learned for just the this experience in general because it's one that I'll never forget and it's going to shape the rest of my life.
>> Sounds like there's a that saying it's kind of cheesy but you make lemons out of lemonade or whatever.
>> Lemonade lemonade out of lemons. Hey, he he going to be he going to be a Twinkie.
>> But it sounds to me like going to Twink of a bad situation. Does that sound about right?
>> Of course. And are you going to continue to do that?
>> Of course, I'm going to try to, you know, continue a humble life, a righteous life, you know, try to do the right things at all times. And, you know, >> will you apprise yourself? We've heard about some, you know, courses and programs and things that you can get involved with to stay busy in prison. Is that something that you plan to do?
>> Yeah. So, I, you know, hearing RA's testimony was, you know, the first glimpse that I had.
prison. It could be like, >> you know, I want to stay as busy as possible. You know, stay away from bad apples. You know, I want to >> You are a bad apple.
>> Keep a job, >> get get into programs, try to get any vocational things I can do. Try to, you know, keep my record clean to, you know, go to the best incentivized.
>> From my understanding, this is his first time even having any kind of dealings with the law.
First time really being in trouble or probably being really caught.
Clarence running with the running with the wrong folk trying to be down. He was he was trying to be authentically black [music] but then come out with this turtleneck on >> things and have visits with my family and you know I just want to just >> this new make everything you know peaceful as as can be. So, even knowing that you're not getting out of prison, you want to make the best of your stay there.
>> Of course. I mean, who wouldn't? If you're going to be somewhere for the rest of your life, why would you make your life a living hell?
>> And you're young, right? You're >> Oh, yeah. They know how to twink them up.
>> You may have a moment.
>> Yes. I'll pass the witness.
>> Okay. Speak.
>> If I was his parents, [clears throat] I'd be >> You would agree with me that Charles Jones was young, too, wasn't he?
>> Relatively young. Yes, sir.
>> 26, right?
>> Yes, sir.
>> That's what the evidence showed us, correct? You were sitting here watching that, correct? The evidence that came in over the last several weeks.
>> I was right there.
>> Right.
>> And you want to take accountability now, correct? You want to take accountability now that this jury has found you guilty, correct?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Weeks after we went >> Did you hear Did you hear how he set him up, though? He said, "You want to take accountability now that the jury has found you guilty?" Yes, sir.
You just told on yourself went >> through a trial. Is that your testimony?
>> Objection.
>> Uh, I miss sustain the objection.
>> You indicated this was a traumatic experience.
Is that right?
>> Yes, sir. [music] >> That's what you just testified to, correct?
>> That's what I said.
>> [laughter] >> Hostess.
I think he just lightkinned.
these false these false ident distorted ideas of what it is to be black. When you think when you think being black is about being in the streets, this is your consequence. This is the outcome. Like dude had a good life. All he had to do is keep living a good life. Dude could be in college. He could be in college right now. But look at him. Two years of his life already gone and the rest of his life is gone.
>> Thank you, sir.
>> Appreciate it.
>> I think they gave him 50 years.
>> 25 C. You remember Gino Norris?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Do you remember him? He was also really young when this happened, wasn't he?
>> I didn't know how old he was.
>> Early 20s, 22. Would that surprise you?
>> Um, no. It wouldn't surprise me.
>> Yeah. Gino Norris, who's not a gang member, who's Charles Jones friend from the time they're children. That's the legal basis.
>> Okay. Uh come on up council.
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Hey, that look that look didn't help.
[laughter] I ain't gonna lie. It looked like he wanted to grab the L and do a R&B.
Man, we got to make better decisions though. Like people are mad that he got the book thrown at him and basically he's human labor now. But come on, man.
Like like I say, what what make me what really make me not have any sympathy for him is he had better choices and he and and and and he made a decision to choose worse choices.
That's it's just it's sad to see people throw their lives away trying to be down with the wrong people.
Did you like you saw the other the three other dudes? These the dudes you threw your life away for? You crazy.
My freedom is worth more than all that.
Hey Pat, just know I never ride on somebody for you like that if I don't have to.
And you don't do it for me. Freedom. You got head to you got children. Freedom >> Xavier Edwards.
>> Our freedom is is worth Norris [clears throat] >> and you saw the autopsy photos of Charles Jones. My question to you is after you and your friends inflicted that carnage on June 23rd and as you were running states 20 59C, this is actually you running to shoot them. But when you were running p back past that Tesla >> feeling the real >> were you feeling a lot of trauma at that point.
>> Listen to his answer.
>> So long ago I try to not >> nah ear in the beginning you said you was going to be a man and take responsibility.
You know how you felt then. You know what was going through your mind. You won't forget none of that. He will never forget those feelings or the thoughts that he had that night. He know he won't. But remember in the beginning he said he's being the man to take responsibility. Now he can't remember nothing.
>> Remember anything from that night?
>> Were you remorseful as you were running back with that AR-15 in your hands?
>> Like I said, I try to remember nothing from that night.
>> Was it traumatic to you as you went back to the car with that AR-15? Was it still smoking? Was it still warm in your hands from firing it?
>> Uh, sustain the objection.
Were you still were you feeling remorse as you were getting back into the impala?
>> Like I said, I just try to >> focus on today.
>> Like I said, I just trying to focus on today.
>> Moving forward.
>> Moving forward.
>> So the next day that Impala, that was your car. You drove that around, right? It was your mom's. But you drove that car, correct?
>> Yes, sir. It was my mother's car.
>> Right. And that was the car you drove from Jacksonville to Tampa in. Correct.
These this these fools drove from Jacksonville to Tampa to do this.
>> Why don't we just get there?
>> All right.
>> So, this car, this Impala that you drove from Jacksonville to Tampa in, >> don't try to fix Chance and Miss Andrews, the one that you drove in tandem with with the Silver Cruise. The same car that you utilized to drive the assault team, the shooting team, which you were a part of that night. that same car that you drove around Tampa in the early morning hours for several hours tracking, stalking, and hunting Charles Jones and his entourage.
>> Sustain. [clears throat] >> That same Impala, you drove that to Pulk County the next day and you dropped it at your grandmother's house, right? The same grandmother who came in here last night and testified for you. Correct.
>> Um, go ahead. You can answer that question.
>> Isn't that correct?
>> What is the question? You dropped the Impala, the one that had all of these shooters in it, the one that was utilized in this murder that was such a vital cog in this plant. You dropped it at your grandmother's house in Auburnale, didn't you?
>> I'm here to testify about today.
>> Are you going to answer that question or are you going to avoid it?
>> Because that's not what I asked what you were doing here today. I think we all understand what you're here to do today, >> what you're testifying about. I'm asking you specifically about >> ain't nothing tough about him.
>> Were you remorseful >> out here playing gangster dropped that car off and left it house in Auburnale?
>> I did go to my grandmother's house.
>> Were you feeling remorse when you hugged her and got into the 4ERunner and left her with the impala after you wiped it down?
Sir, I'm just telling you that today >> I would like to express my remorse to the family to the court. I understand what you're trying to do today. I'm asking you trying to convince this jury that you remorseful. Were you feeling remorse >> that next day or later that day?
>> I don't remember these days in detail how I was feeling.
>> Yes, he does.
>> What you lying? Yes, he does.
>> What about later that night when you went to Orlando? Were you feeling remorse when you were out partying at Club Parlay celebrating what you had done that day?
>> That was my sister's birthday party.
>> But did did you feel any remorse while you were drinking Don Julio tequila >> and putting that in your video and throwing gang signs?
>> Throwing gang signs.
>> I'm here about today. Sir, >> I we've all seen the evidence. We've all reviewed Mr. Chance, it's not time for you now to make speeches. You've politely answered your council's questions. Can you not answer the state's questions? Is there something about my question you don't understand?
>> I was getting to Sorry, Mr. Gather. I called you Mr. Chance. Excuse me.
>> I was I was getting to my answer. Um, like I said, I I've seen all the evidence, >> right?
>> Well, we've all seen all the evidence.
>> Yes, sir.
>> That's true. And after all that evidence came in and this jury based their true verdict on that convicting you, now you're taking accountability. Is that correct?
>> Sustain the objection. I think the question on the table was remorse about it. It is your honor.
>> You just need to answer that question.
>> So I'm going to ask you very specifically. Okay. So try to focus with a laser beam here. Mr. Gath, right?
Were you feeling remorse when you were in Club Parlay in Orlando drinking Don Julio? Were you feeling remorse for what you did earlier that day?
>> I don't remember how I was feeling or what I was thinking.
>> Were you feeling remorse when you got pulled over in the 4ERunner a couple of days later by the police?
>> I don't remember. I was nervous. I mean, I had never been involved in any police.
Were you feeling remorse when you were unloading the Impala and putting all of that evidence into the Forerunner? Did you feel remorse?
>> Sorry, I told you I don't remember how I was feeling or what I was thinking in those days.
>> Yes, he does. He does.
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>> Mr. Gaffright, you have led, you would agree with me, an extremely privileged life, haven't you?
>> Yes, sir.
>> You would agree with that.
>> He not going to get tough with them.
>> You've had a loving mother, correct?
Yes, sir.
>> A loving sister, correct?
>> Yes, sir. [music] You've had two wonderful grandmothers, correct?
>> Yes, sir.
>> You would agree with me, right?
>> I couldn't deny that.
>> One of which probably I'm assuming sacrificed and paid for you to go to that private school, that preparatory school. Correct.
>> Um, it wasn't paid. It was a magnet program. So, I had to apply and it was a lottery system.
>> It was a lottery system. Okay. So, it was a magnet.
>> Yes, sir.
>> All right. She supported you going there, did she not?
>> Everybody did.
>> Gave you open use of her house, welcomed you, treated you, and um parented you basically, didn't she?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Took care of you when your parents were deployed. Correct.
>> Uh yes, sir. At the time, I was living with my grandmother. Um >> both my parents had been either retired or uh out out of the military. I was just living there more so um I needed a change of scenery and my relationship with my father wasn't sustainable.
>> Okay. This is when you're in Oxford with Yes sir.
>> The the nice lady we saw earlier came in here.
>> Yes sir.
>> The one that has supported you and spoke so lovingly about you. Correct.
>> Yes sir. And so you went to this preparatory school and whether you got in there through a lottery or not, you would agree with me not everybody gets to go to a school like that. Correct.
>> So that let you know right there even more how much of a Clarence he is. He went to a preparatory school that he got in through a lottery and all these things here and his his life was totally different. He didn't have to do this stuff. Once again, he didn't have to do it, but he chose he chose the street life over a regular life. And here he is in front of the world with this ugly ass turtleneck >> school that the magnet school I went to was in middle school when I was living in Jacksonville. The school I went to uh in Oxford it was just a public high school.
>> A public high school. Okay. My mistake.
So you went to that preparatory school in Jacksonville?
>> Yes sir.
>> But again that school was not something that every kid gets to go to, right?
>> Oh sir. Not every kid gets to have a counselor and a role model like Mr. Edwards. Correct.
>> No sir. I was very blessed.
>> And not many children get to fly in planes with their stepfather. Correct.
>> Uh, no sir.
>> And and fly around in Asia and get to see islands off the coast of Okinawa.
Correct.
>> No sir.
>> Very blessed.
>> Very. You are very blessed, aren't you?
>> Yes sir.
>> And not every kid gets to go to Scotland, right? No sir.
>> Or Ireland?
>> No sir.
>> Or Paris?
>> No sir.
>> Or London?
>> No sir.
>> Or Spain?
>> No sir.
>> Cape Town or Johannesburg. Or both in South Africa.
>> Cape Town.
>> Cape Town. Beautiful city, right? You got to go experience that when you were >> I'm from the hood.
And my Let me make myself big. Let me make myself big. I'm from the hood.
Pat. Pat from the hood.
I know Pat was able to travel the world via the military, but like when we when we were young, this cat is 20. When we're in the hood, like I ain't never been outside this country. There was no there was no chance of me going outside of the state when I was growing up cuz we we were poor in the hood.
And I still didn't make the decisions this dude made. A lot of us still didn't make the decisions this dude made. This dude had a chance to travel outside the country and he come back want to be thug number 1,765.
What the hell? [clears throat] You got people taking you across the world. You can fly planes with your private planes with your stepfather and you choose to be in the streets with little dudes who can't read and belly whiping their ass, right? And this is the life you choose, man. [ __ ] you, man.
[ __ ] him. That just made me even more mad. [ __ ] him.
That's stupid.
Throw Throw the whole jail on him.
That's stupid.
>> Throwing up. Correct.
>> I did.
>> Because you had such loving people around you supporting you. Correct.
>> Yes, sir.
>> In fact, your grandmother went with you on that trip, did she not? Or not on that one, but on the ones to Europe.
>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And we heard you got to meet up with your sister in one of those trips. Correct.
>> I did. I had the privilege.
>> So you always had someone there taking care of you and you always had good strong male role models, including people at your grandmother's church and your stepfather, Mr. Harrington.
Correct.
>> I I'm I'mma tell you like this. I'm in the hood. When I'm in the hood, I'm in the hood trying to make the hood better.
I I don't live I'm not there no more. I ain't f to go back and hang out in the hood. I ain't f to go back and hang out with other cats who ain't doing nothing.
If we can't win, we can't be friends.
If we ain't been productive together, we ain't doing nothing. If I'm in the hood, I'm in the hood making stuff better. We ain't I I can't do it. I can't [music] do it. I can't do it. And it didn't work out for him. I can't do it. Like sometime we got to get we got to get away from a lot of stuff. Sometimes we got to. And I know we be having connections to it, but sometime we got to let it go.
>> I had uh male role models in my life growing up.
Um but in my more formative years, more so 16 to 18, I didn't I did not have a relationship with my father. and the male role models that came and testified, they were present but not intimately as whenever I was younger, maybe middle school years. Um, but when I when I turned around 16, 18, it was the females that actually had that that caregiving and >> hey, nurturing >> battle ganza >> relationship with me. But >> thank you for clarifying. I appreciate it. There you go.
>> Towards towards the more [clears throat] recent years, >> I didn't have that one-on-one and very close relationship with, >> you know, those male role models in my life. You know, you heard my stepfather say, you know, after the divorce, >> I I did hear that, Mr. Chance. Let me stop you. Okay. Go back to my question.
I'm sorry, >> Mr. Cather.
>> I'm sorry. I keep calling you that, Mr. Dre. Um, let me go back to what you said earlier. Between 16 and 18, you didn't have a male role model. Is that what you're telling the jury?
>> I'm not saying I didn't have any male role models, but dayto-day, you know, young men need strong.
>> That's not what I asked. I asked if you had a male team. This young man, >> a figure that I could go to, but not intimately.
>> Mr. Edwards, right?
>> Yes, sir. He had stayed in contact with you even when you graduated into high school. Correct.
>> Uh yes. Yes, sir. We we definitely maintained a relationship. But >> and you seem to be pretty enthusiastic about that, right?
>> Yes, sir. Yes.
>> In fact, you went on a cruise with them at some point, did you not?
>> Yeah, when I was younger. Yes. We had a very close relationship.
>> And then from what you're saying, if I understand it right, the females, I'm assuming you're talking about your grandmothers and your mom >> stepped into the gap.
>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It was grandmother's, mother, sister.
>> So, let me let me get see if I got this right. When you were being brought up and you were being brought up by a mother who was enlisted or an officer in the military, an officer, wasn't she?
>> Uh, I don't know exactly what her rank is. I know she was a sergeant, >> but in the Marine Corps. [music] >> Yes, sir. She was in the Marine Corps.
>> All right. And then you had a stepfather who was in the Air Force, right?
>> Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. from the time you were three all the way up to when they divorced in 2020.
>> Yes, sir.
>> All right. They taught you right from wrong. Correct.
>> Yes, sir.
>> And we heard that from your grandmother, right?
>> Yes, sir. Yes, of course. Yes, sir.
>> Miss Lyle, she told you she told us the same thing, >> right?
>> They brought you up in the church. They taught you about the Ten Commandments.
They taught you about right from wrong, did they not?
>> They did.
>> All right. How did you get here? They were excellent role models about living their living your life in a disciplined, honest and right way. Correct. And being law-abiding. Correct.
>> They really didn't have to worry about me. You know, I >> Well, let me just answer my question.
Would you agree with what I'm saying?
>> Looking at his mannerism >> that they were excellent role models.
>> Yes, sir. I They definitely instilled the foundation.
May I have one moment, your honor? Yes.
>> [clears throat] >> I've got nothing else, your honor.
>> Okay, redirect.
>> All right, so I'mma stop this one right here for the sake of time so we can make sure we get into this last one. But you know, real quick from my notes, right?
Looking at it, looking at an angle through like um through a lens of France Fan, right? Because he France Fernan wrote a lot about colonial violence and psychological alienation and also internalized rage, right? Oppressed people sometimes redirect rage towards one another because they cannot directly attack the structures oppressing them.
This that is an element that's at play in this, right? Cuz we're looking at hopelessness, identity confusion, humiliation, culture, and revenge psychology. A whole bunch of nothingness, a whole bunch of stupid and nothingness. But it comes from viewing yourselves the same way.
and understanding that there are consequences when you go against the system. There are minimal consequences when you take out yourself or others that look like you, right? And so street violence becomes a performance cuz you know the the it's it's too many women saying that they going to give unprotected sex and babies to street dudes and too many women actually doing it cuz in the opening documentary and all these cats all these street dudes got girlfriends. All of them got women. All of them.
This street violence is an emotional release because remember they don't know they don't have no real regulation. They don't know. They don't know how to really deal with what's going on. And it's a false form of empowerment.
Make them feel powerful that they can dominate each other.
And then we bring in Dr. Joy the Gru's angle with the post-traumatic slave syndrome. Right. So now we talking about environments, total environments where violence is normalized. in total environments.
Unresolved trauma is just floating around like the the smell of old crabs and cigarettes. Emotional disconnection is normalized.
Survivalbased thinking is also normalized.
Too many of our young men are being raised in environments where death is normalized, prison is normalized. Think about it. In black culture, black people celebrate people coming back from prison harder than they celebrate people achieving positive things in their lives. [music] And everybody knows it.
Many young men are raised in environments where emotional vulnerability, vulnerable, emotional vulnerability is mocked. You can't be a human and conflict resolution is absent. You go from 0 to 10 and you better fade or pull out the stick. what [music] they saying.
Guess how you go from being a street dude to a prisoner.
So, let's get to this last video where this this this guy who's um >> he's here in the state of Florida and he's a jail expert and he gonna be breaking down how Gothright and these other dudes going to be used as straight label down here in the state of Florida.
You heard me?
Well, can you please turn and introduce yourself to our jury? Uh, >> my name is Raul S. Banasco.
>> You would never you would never get a girl to leave a hood.
>> A n.
>> Thank you, sir. And how are you currently employed?
>> Um, a variety of ways. I am a full-time jail administrator in Travis County Sheriff's Office in Austin, Texas, as well as an adjunct professor and I do subject matter prison expert in jail security consulting work.
>> Can you please give our jury a summary of um different facilities, jails or prisons where you have worked?
>> I started my corrections profession in the state of Florida at the Central Florida Reception Center in Orlando, Florida as a corrections officer. spent seven years at that facility, moved up into the classification department as a classification officer, senior officer and supervisor in which I got promoted in 1995 to Poke Correctional Institution, Poke City as a senior classification probation supervisor.
Then went on to be the assistant warden at Martin Correctional Institution Maximum Security Facility in South Florida. And then after three years got promoted to an assistant warden two level in tomok correctional institution in Daytona Beach for five years.
Returned on a lateral to central Florida reception center and got promoted to a warden at Hernando Correction Center Correctional Institution in Brooksville for women and then shortly about a year and a half got promoted to headquarters to the department of corrections headquarters as director of staff development. And actually going back, I was a corrections officer at Lake Correction Institution as my first assignment in Orlando in ' 87 and then moved on to run jails [music] for the next 20 years.
>> Okay. And what type of education do you have to get into?
>> Real quick, real quick. I want to give a big shout out and thank you to Mr. Ernest Smith for the $5 cash app. Thank you, Mr. Ernest Smith for the $5.
>> Look at all this money, homie. [music] I got all this money, homie.
>> I appreciate you. I appreciate you.
Thank you very much.
>> That kind of career.
>> Um, to get in that profession to be a corrections officer, of course, you have to have a high school diploma. I have an undergraduate degree in psychology for my own university as well as have my certification as a public manager through the Florida Atlantic University Masters program. have my masters in public administration through Florida Atlantic University and also have my credentials as a certified jail manager through the American Jail Association's Professional Commission as well as my corrections executive certification through the American Correctional um agency through Washington professional certification commission as well.
>> How long have you been even up till now working in this field? over 41 years.
Over 40 decades >> and I know you discussed you're currently working a capacity in a facility in Texas. Is that right?
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> And what is that?
>> I supervise over a jail population of 4,000 inmates and about 1100 employees.
It's the fifth largest jail in Texas.
>> When was the last time that you worked in corrections in Florida?
>> Okay. Last time I worked in corrections in Florida was 2010 when I was uh separating myself from retiring in 2010.
>> That didn't work out too well. You're still here, right?
>> 25 years and then six months later went back into the business.
>> From the time working in the Florida Department of Corrections specifically, did you become familiar in those capacities that you described to us with their department policies and procedures?
>> Yes. as a classification supervisor, particularly at the Central Florida Reception Center, which is Central Florida's hub, receiving almost 6 to 900 inmates a week from county jails and processing them out throughout the prison system, as well as my role as an assistant warden for seven years and my wardship and directorship. Very familiar. We all had to be familiar with warden assignments because we got moved when the agency needed you to be moved.
And Department of Corrections is a stateun program, right?
>> Correct. This is third largest state prison system in existence.
>> So those DOC procedures would be pretty consistent from facility to facility.
>> Correct. They're pretty consistent.
Maybe some SOPs might change a little on the design and the age of the prison, [music] but they all pretty much operate the same.
>> Okay. And you indicated one of them um correct me if I'm wrong was the warden of Herando Hernando Correctional Institution and was that with youthful and adult um women?
>> Yes, I had a population of 350 youthful offenders from the age of 15 to 21 as well as the adult women population as well.
>> Why is there a separate prison for youthful offenders?
>> Um every summer the correction institution is the one for men in many cases. We have to sort of separate segregate the youthful offender population with the adults particularly in that facility those individuals that were in the youthful offender program.
There's certain expectations we provide them particular education programs when we have them and necessary as well as you know keeping in standard for safety purposes. We want to keep them separated because of their age and often because of their behavior between the age of 14 and 26. the behavior is sort of different in a prison setting compared to the adults.
>> That was going to be my question. So 14 to 26th is what the department considered a youthful offender.
>> Yes. In the industry that population even though they are sentenced to an adult prison, you know, from um I'm not a professional psychiatrist, but knowing the business that's a very rambunctious.
They're at a point in their life where they're still maturing. We tend to see that population have more dismay reports, more egregious behavior, more fighting that you have to deal with in that population versus the adult that they're more settled and mature once they settle in.
>> And you also as part of your career, you worked with ju as a juvenile case manager up in New York at some point, right?
>> Correct. I did two years with uh two contracts one with Hawthorne seed nulls which was mental health juveniles as well as the other ones with juvenile group home children. my first employment in social services. Yes.
>> Based on your past work and experiences, um, are you I think I already asked you.
You're familiar.
>> See, Nemesis, See, Nemesis, you trying to use logic and stuff. You trying to use pre like prevention stuff. They don't want prevention. Prevention don't fill prisons. Nemesis, what you talking about? Prevention don't fill prisons.
They don't want these young men to be smart. They don't want these young men to not be caught up in these situations.
Prevention does not fill prisons. Come on, nemesis with the policies and procedures of both jails and prisons specifically in Florida.
>> Yes.
>> And how since it has been some time since you physically worked in the building, how do you keep up to be able to educate us um on the policies and procedures of the Department of Corrections? Well, it's been a while, but actually always a corrections officer at heart. I actually in my current assignment, I walk the units and the compound on a weekly basis. Also keeping up with the Department of Corrections particularly still have a lot of friends and family members who work in the agency. So keep up with that way, but also keep up with the annual reports as well as some of the changes that the agency goes through as I'm familiar with a lot of the current leadership in different capacities because I came up with them.
keep up all the current going on that they have to publish as well in the agency website.
>> So, in a [clears throat] little bit I'm going to ask you about some specifics regarding um life without parole and death row inmates in Florida. So, part are you able um to give the jury that information based on what you've just described as far as how you keep up with those policies and procedures?
>> Yes, I am. Okay. And before we get to that, so you're working now um other than what you >> that light head beaming off her >> forhead. Is that more in a consultant?
>> She put some petroleum jelly on her forehead.
>> Consulting means um not in my work capacity is my role now. Take actual time off to to with consulting. We tend to always come for retirement purposes [clears throat] and I take up cases cases, penalty faces, even some civil cases where there's some wrongful death involved either for the agencies for the actual plaintiff as well.
>> And I assume you're not doing that work for free. Can you tell us how much you charge per hour? No, my my fees are $200 an hour to interview, review records, as well as um $225 an hour to testify and $110 to travel time as well.
>> Okay.
>> And that all gets approved when we get you onto a case.
>> Correct. Everyone that I work with, regardless it's private or government, there's an agreement and and that the hours are authorized offense.
>> And have you previously testified in court before in that capacity?
>> Yes, I have. And do you know approximately how many times?
>> Just what capacity [music] we [laughter] >> as a consultant >> as a consultant over 55 60 cases >> and was that in state and federal?
>> Yeah, that light beaming off that that black lady behind the light beaming off her head.
>> Was that just in Florida or anywhere else?
>> No, I've done work in South Carolina, state of Georgia, Texas, Florida of course. Um even though some work in Louisiana as well >> and have you always been allowed by those courts to give an expert opinion in the area of corrections policy practices >> legal slavery they signed themselves up to be legal slaves but remember they were slaves in their minds first testimony in the areas of practices and conditions prevention is too much light right >> have you ever consulted on cases for the prosecution or state attorney's office?
No.
>> Okay.
>> Now, I'm going to get into some specifics. We talked about um the difference between a life without parole sentence and what a a death row inmate.
Let's start with life without parole. Um throughout your lengthy career in corrections, have you become familiar with how inmates serving a life without parole [clears throat] sentence are housed in the Department of Corrections?
>> Yes, I have.
>> Okay. And can you tell us physically how that how they are housed? Well, all my assignments in the Florida prison system were all at Lifer facilities. So, I'm very familiar with that layout. What happens is an individual who is sentenced to the Department of Corrections, particularly like in this case with Miss Garthrite, he will go through a reception center process. He will be given an inmate number. That inmate number will remain with him for the remainder of his sentence while in the prison system. They will then be transferred after 6 to 12 weeks in which they go through a reception process.
They have to see all components medical, mental health, social services and classification. And we assess their custody level and then we will assign them to vacant beds throughout the prison system. When that individual were to be received at a facility, let's say Tamoka correction institution, which is a lifer facility, holds all custody levels to close, that individual will be classified and assessed based on their skill set, their behavior, their pri prior behavior, whether it's in the county jail or in another system, in another agency, and then determine their housing assignment, determine their job assignment in which every inmate that is serving a term of life will always have to be assigned a job assignment. So what that means is every inmate serving a life sentence is required to work up to 60 hours a week, whether it's cooking meals, preparing laundry, pushing about 100 lawnmowers, gasless, of course, keeping up with the day-to-day maintenance of that prison. That is a requirement as well as following all the other rules and regulations as required by the agency. So part of the procation and I know probably just out of habit you said we you obviously aren't working there anymore but the department will find a facility where Mr. Gath would be the most useful.
>> Yes >> and fit in the best.
>> Yes. [music] >> And also have they have programs and things you mentioned right?
>> Yes. They have programs.
>> Can you explain um what a typical day in the life of an inmate serving life without parole would look like since they are required to work. What what else does a day look like? A typical life for an individual inmate serving in the Department of Corrections is they're woken up at 4:00 in the morning. We do a secure account. At that time, we will escort them to their appropriate chow hall, which is where they eat their meal. They have up to 10 minutes to sit [music] and eat their meal. They will return back to their housing unit, which we will conduct another count, and then we will allow them to go to the day-to-day operations. So, inmates have work assignments. They are to report to their work assignments as scheduled. If they have call outs for medical classation, case management, they are to be accounted for and we will go through the same process uh three times a day.
So closer to the noon meal around 11:00, everyone will fall into their assignment. Those who are working regardless of where you're at, we will do a count. We will go through the lunch meal and then we will repeat it again around 4:30 approximately in the evening so we can make sure everyone's accounted for. Then they return back to their housing unit and after dark they are all secured in secured housing and no inmates are allowed to be out of those buildings to unless there's an emergency with proper security shackles to whatever assignment they have to go otherwise they remain in those housing units till the next day in which it is repeated again.
>> So they're not just roaming around the prison all day.
>> Absolutely not. They told when to do what to do when to do it.
>> I didn't hear you mention shower. Do they get to shower?
they get to shower. We are required by accreditation standards to give them a minimum of three showers a week, but because those individuals are in an environment where they don't have their own showers, it's based on who the population is usually about 250 inmates for like seven to 10 showers. So, they're sharing spaces.
>> And I don't know if you might have mentioned this, but the housing itself, are they in a dorm style or what does their personal housing look like? Their personal housing is um Department of Corrections, we know it as HO5 and HO4 housing. That's the housing assignment we give individuals who are serving a life sentence. And HO5 is an individual cell that's designed with two men in it.
Um that's more the old prison style like I I worked at Tmoka Corrections in Poke old prisons because of the the design at the time. Um because we've had individuals serving life, we also code them, the department of corrections codes them as HO4. HO4 is the same type of secure housing, but these individuals are more in a communal environment almost like a military style. The integrity of the building is still designed to hold lifers, but because a lot of the old prisons uh the footprint is very antiquated and very [music] manpower intensive, we have other type of industry standard housing. So, but they are in an HO4 status.
>> If someone is sentenced to life without parole, meaning they're not getting out, is there any incentive for them to follow the rules while while [music] they're in prison?
>> Well, every inmate in the Department of Corrections is required to work. And if they do not show up to work, even those who are medically indigent, they're required to work. um they will face administrative outcomes. Basically, receive a dismay report for refusing to work. And if that continues to escalate, we move them into another level of status based on the classation and their negative adjustment in the prison setting.
>> And what would be their incentives to follow the rules other than just where they're housed? Do they get any benefit for following the rules?
>> They would have their privileges not revoked. privileges such as family visits, um commissary, inmate tablets, access to the TV, those may even access to programs. Those are the privileges in which they have to follow the rules in order to keep them.
>> And so you indicated that they um are required those inmates will be required to work 60 hours a week >> um and even if they're disabled.
>> 60 hours a week. Is it safe to say that prison can be made even more comfortable for a person or uncomfortable sorry if they refuse to work or they're not following the rules?
>> Yes. And the system it's designed if they continue to refuse to show up to work or they're assigned area they will get disciplinary reports as they continue to escalate those disciplinary reports. Then they will be considered for close management. And what close management status is those individual inmates in the prison system that are not following the rules, they become a security concern not only for the other inmates but the day-to-day operations at which time the institutional classification team will review them, place them on the docket as they say to be reviewed by central office and move to a facility such as Santa Rosa Correction Institution, Martin Correction Institution, Colombia to name a few in which we house they house close management one, two, and three statuses.
These individuals, for the most part, are locked in a single cell by themselves. They don't have any privileges just to see medical every day as well as their meals and and not even but twice a week at uniform and allowed out of their cell three times a week.
They will remain in that status till they start complying with the rules and regulations in which they will eventually hopefully move out of that status if they start conforming to the rules.
And you gave some examples earlier. I just wanted to follow up some of the things that inmates do in the way of work at the uh prison. You included um cooking. Is that right?
>> Yes. We we have to prepare three meals as well as even dietary meals for the inmate population. So we use a lot of the inmate labor to do all the meal preparation as well as keeping up with sanitary requirements. We have to all the food as well. We have also inmates.
The department has to assign inmates who have skills in maintenance.
The department of corrections utilizes 80% of the inmate labor to keep up with the aging facilities that the prison system has. That's something on a national level. We put them to work.
They do not have any kind of financial compensation. They're required to. We also keep up the grounds as well as utilize them in different capacities.
those who might have a high school diploma might be part of the orientation for the new inmates coming into the prison system. Sort of like a peer-to-peer helping those particularly those coming in with a term of years to uh hopefully take advantage of programs and not return back to the prison system.
>> Can you mention yard work? Do they do painting, electrical work, things like that based on their skill set? They do plumbing, painting, electrical. Keep in mind, they're under supervision of what we know as a vocational instructor. So, they're not freely having any access to tools. They're always supervised because of a prison design, things do break down at night. So, sometimes depending on the skill set, staff or even the corrections officers have to supervise them to keep up with these repairs. Waste >> and Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But the culture that we are existing in is a destructive culture and it's helping to breed more and more and more young men like this.
Like Battle Ginger said earlier, the adults are the problem. The adults are the failures. The adults ain't on cold.
We the one keep passing this crazy stuff down to these kids. We the one keep creating environments for these kids to exist in. We the one make make this stuff viable for these kids and and glorified for these kids. They trying to be like the people around them. In the beginning, in the beginning of the show when I was showing you the the conflict between Julio Fulio and um Young and Ace, if you go back, it's another full documentary. If you go back and check out that full documentary, they were all trying to be like older cats around them. Then that family situations like my parents, look, my parents was on me, man. My parents was on me to make sure that the influences of the streets don't get me. The adults did a lot of failing >> water treatment program. Some of the prisons in Department of Corrections I know personally have been assigned in places where we don't have direct water access. So we have our own water and treatment program. So we have to keep up with that as well.
>> You indicated that the inmates themselves don't make any money or commissary off of that work. Is that right?
>> No.
>> Would you say that they save the Department of Corrections in the state of Florida money? [music] >> Yes, they do.
because you indicated I think what 80% of the work done is done by inmates.
>> Yes. I mean keeping in mind we're talking almost 80 prisons throughout the state of Florida and the aging buildings that they have. If it was not for the inmate labor it would be quite challenging and financially a challenge to the agency to keep up with all the repairs.
>> Hey, >> do they do anything that can that they can contribute outside the prison? Is there any work? I know. And this may be like way old school. We'd see inmates making like license plates. They probably don't do that anymore, but >> are they doing anything for um people outside of the prison?
>> Actually, they still do license plates.
>> Oh, they do?
>> Yeah. Um in my years and still to this day, we have different events. So, actually, we use inmate laborers who might have some carpentry skills. They actually do a big thing every year in the in different agencies throughout the United States for toys for tots. Um, we also use them to create the inmate uniforms, their inmate boots. We keep up also refurbishing of vehicles. We uh when I worked at the women's facility, the women there did the eye contacts and the dentures for the >> There you go, Nemesis. So, we utilize to work through our partnership through Pride, the prison um rehabilitative industrial enterprise um company. That is a partnership. We put them to work with this particular partner to keep us sustained and also cost-saving. They also do the furniture at Poke Correctional Institution for those agencies that want to buy furniture.
There's a furniture factory there as well.
>> And Pride, I think you said, is it prison rehabilitative industrial diversified enterprise?
>> Yes, >> that's a mouthful.
>> It's a lot. Um, so an inmate sentenced to life without parole, would you agree is a resource for inside the prison as well as society in some cases?
>> Yes, >> he's a resource.
The inmate is a resource.
>> What about um you talked about visitation um and some incentives for following the rules? What are inmates in prison allowed to communicate with people on the outside? And if so, how?
>> Yes, they are allowed. There's the new industry standard. Typically they can call on the phones in which they can call out but also we have tablets. It's the new industry standard. Inmates are assigned a tablet in which they can either do video stationation in some facilities and even text in a secure server to communicate with their family members as well.
>> And I assume that's all monitored by the department >> completely. Yes.
>> And is it free to the inmate?
>> No.
>> The tablet's free but the communications aren't. Is that right?
>> Correct. There's a fee they got to pay for the text as well as any kind of communication.
>> They got to pay for all of that commentary, all that.
>> Now, I want to move on to talk to you a little bit about if someone's serving um or they're they're sentenced to death and they become a death row inmate in Florida, how is an inmate on death row housed >> physically? Um physically when you're housed in a death row environment particularly at Union CI um go there often they're housed in a 6 by9 cell single person housing >> with a mattress >> their assigned TV part of the money we get down here in Florida >> as well as um our provided services they also uh three years ago changed the process in which now inmates on death row also are allowed and issued a tablet as well as they're allowed a lot more time out of their cells as historically and also have family visits. Their food is delivered to them and their uniforms are delivered to them, but they're not required to work.
>> Let me just take those a little bit one at a time. So, you said the TV, do they have their own TV?
>> Yes.
>> What about the inmates that are serving life without parole? Do they get their own TV?
>> No. each side of the dorm or each pod or quad is depending what you call it. The department has to share a TV in that environment. So there's often fights and stuff, but they basically amongst the prison population have to determine what channel of the limited channels they can see.
>> Okay. But somebody that's on death row will have to no channel.
>> Yes.
>> And do they go to the chow hall to eat or you said they get the food delivered to them?
>> Their three meals are delivered to them on the road.
Do they do their own laundry?
>> No.
>> So somebody else, the inmates that are working do their laundry and bring it to them.
>> The inmate laundry is done by the inmate laundry trustees as we often call them and they will be delivered on a weekly schedule. Exchange their uniforms.
>> And you I believe you said that they um are not required to work. Are they able to work?
>> They able to work but they >> ain't got no lips. So you know he probably right. Do inmates sentenced to death contribute to the prison workforce in any way?
>> No.
>> So, let me turn your attention to Mr. Gathight. Sean Gatright. Did you have an opportunity to meet with him?
>> Yes, I did. I think this part was March 1st, 2026 at the Hillsboro County Jail.
>> And what was his demeanor just generally when you met with him?
>> Very pleasant. Um, a young individual who was very articulate. Sean, we spoke and very respectful. Had a good meeting with him.
>> And I assume you know that he's he's relatively young at 20 years old right now.
>> Yes. He was booked at the age 18. He's >> We crazy as hell down here.
>> Um did you learn through records provided by my office that uh Mr. Gatright had was a >> and he he'll be he'll be lucky if he get more of the South Florida prisons because South Florida is a lot more lean than North Florida. They don't [music] give a This is This is the deep south up here in North Florida. He better hope they they put him down in South Florida.
They put him up here in North Florida.
It's going to be worse.
>> A high school graduate.
>> Yes.
>> Let me ask you a little bit about that.
You mentioned earlier in your direct about somebody with an education.
Certain inmates can maybe be kind of mentors or peer-to-peer, I think you described it, working with inmates um that are serving a term of years, meaning they are getting out of prison.
>> [clears throat] >> Do [snorts] you think that Mr. Gathight would have that ability if he were serving a life without parole sentence?
>> He would have that ability. Of course, classification would have to look at his behavior, but the fact that he does have a high school diploma, that is one of the requirements to be an inmate student aid because they're helping other individual prisoners obtain some kind of education programming. So, they have to have high school diploma. he does have the credentials to be considered for that type of work assignment.
>> And as you said, when he gets to classification, somebody there will make all these determinations once they evaluate him physically, mentally, behaviorally, all of that stuff, right?
>> That's correct.
>> And based on your um your previous work as a classification officer, you feel comfortable saying that he could potentially be in that role? based on my experience and four decades, the someone that who I met and got the opportunity to speak to and uh his current housing assignment, he has the potential to be considered for an assignment like that [music] once in the prison system, but that would be over a period of time.
Every inmate who's brought into a permanent prison will have to go through a period of observation and usually they start on the inside grounds for the first three to six months. And depending how well they do out in the heat and behave and follow the rules, then they can be considered for other positions which have more responsibilities or level of trust, but always supervised by staff.
>> And in the department of corrections, are there also um what you consider faith and character facilities?
>> Yes, that is a industry standard in the last 5 to seven years. The Department of Corrections has quite a few.
>> It does like a face about to fall off and skeletor about >> spread out through without state.
>> And what does they offer to an inmate serving? Well, I assume they they don't include death row inmates, but if somebody's serving life without parole, what would that mean?
>> Anyone in the prison system up to life is eligible to be considered to go to that facility. For example, you have a Sumpter Correction Institution, Everglaze Correction Institution, but you have to show a 2-year record of following the rules. no dismay reports, no kind of security concerns just to be considered. There's an application process in which they will have to go through because these facilities, they're also known as incentivized prisons. So, they only want those inmates who are respectful following the rules and not going to be a security concern.
>> And based on Mr. athletes, age, physical abilities, things like that. Do you think that the prison did benefit from him in a work capacity if he were sentenced to life without parole?
>> I say yes. With my experience, not only just in classation, but as former warden and even as a jail administrator, [music] he's someone that's young. Um he's healthy. Um in reality, we need that labor. We need that um sweat equity. And we will put them out there to work because we do have an aging prison population, jail administration.
We have that. So, we put these young individuals to work and get some sweat equity out of them since they are young and actually can do the work.
>> And so, that's that's the that's how far I want to get to. Make sure y'all heard that. Get that sweat equity out of them, right? Get that sweat equity out of them, you know, for for the sake of time. So remember, for these young men, their prison system, that prison sentence began in their heads and their minds and their ideologies long before they hit the courtroom. Yeah. They going to get that sweat equity out of them. See that? That little clip, right? Somebody clipped that up and that went viral over the internet. People like, "Oh no, I can't believe he said that." What the hell you thought went on in prisons?
What did you think went on in prisons?
You thought it was a volleyball tournaments.
Look, their minds were already trapped in destructive programming and their parents had a lot to do with that programming. Their environment had a lot to do with that programming. The failed adults around them had a lot to do with that programming.
Now, we know for Gothright, Gothright decided to play Thug, though.
So [ __ ] him even more because he decided to play thug. So prison becomes the physical extension of the psychological captivity, right?
So now they going to be prison labor sweat equity.
They're part of this economic exploitation, but they put themselves in that in [music] that position. For some of these young men, it's generational incarceration.
It's a loss of political power and more broken families.
This is what happened. Well, the the position our communities are in now is what happens when black communities repeatedly disappear into graves and prisons. When our young men disappear, continue to disappear. when our leaders are not developed because stuff like this because you know real black culture is in these streets right real black cultures in these streets we got to get our mind right this is the result this is the outcome that's why I say the real work starts offline we come [clears throat] online and we talk we have some fun we get entertained we learn and we go back into our communities and we work.
Without real work in our communities, this stuff right here continues to be the norm.
We we four young men who threw their lives away, but thousands of young men, probably hundreds of thousands of young men who lost their lives over the last 10 years because of a misunderstanding between some Yins that led all the way up to this. And this is not the end of it. Remember, this is not the end of it.
So, I hope every last one of us was disturbed by this conversation. We all should be disturbed.
Too many of our young men are dead. In this case, Julio Fulio's the young man who's dead in this situation, but four other young men, they are going to spend the rest of their lives behind prison walls. And the deeper tragedy is somewhere along the way, this outcome started to feel normal. outcome became normalized.
That should terrify us that us taking out each other is normalized in our community. We cannot continue to pretend that this is simply street business.
These are human beings. These are sons.
These are broken communities. These are broken families. These are traumatized minds trying to survive in environments that often reward destruction more than healing. Remember traumatized minds trying to survive in environments that often reward destruction more than healing.
But we also must stop glorifying self-destruction. We got to stop romanticizing prison. And we got to stop celebrating emotional emptiness as masculinity and stop celebrating people when they come home from prison. Real strength is discipline. [music] Real strength or real power is emotional control. And real manhood is protecting life, protecting life, not [music] taking it. Dr. Amos Wilson told us that power begins in the mind.
France Fenan warned us about internalized violence. Nila Fuller warned us about systems that benefit us that benefit from our destruction. Like this prison industrial complex, it benefits from our destruction. Dr. And Dr. Joy Degru reminded us that trauma passed down without healing eventually becomes behavior.
So the question now becomes, what are we going to do with this knowledge? Of course, we know most of us ain't going to do [ __ ] but for us on this live stream, what are we going to do with this knowledge? Because if nothing changes, more birthdays will become funerals and more young men will walk willingly into cages believing that they are free, believing that they actually stood up for something until the consequences hit. Then they look like young golf and realize that their futures have been taken away from them.
Matter of fact, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Their futures haven't been taken away from them. They gave their futures to the white man.
It's got to be better, man. Got to be better. But happy Saturday, man. Y'all enjoy y'all Saturday. I ain't going to take up no more of y'all time. I appreciate y'all. I got to go eat, hit the gym. But I know even here in Tallahass, I do my best to stay away from young from these young folk in certain environments. And then in in in well in certain capacities and in other capacities, I'm 10 toes down in these environments, making sure I'm working with these young men, building with these young men, empowering these young men, helping these young men get resources, helping these young men make better choices. I don't hang out in the hood, but I do all my work in the hood. And the thing is, if we're not going to work to help our young men be better, then we can't be ones criticizing stuff, cuz we are part of the problem. Cuz remember these young people didn't create these environments that they are in. They were born into these environments and adopted everything around them. And remember the negativity was reinforced.
So it's a us problem and a we problem, not just a young people problem. Hey, y'all know how we do it. And if and if we keep doing this, more of us going to be in jail and more of us are going to be legal slaves.
Hit that like button, comment, subscribe, share, hype this, share this with as many people as possible. Make sure that young people see this video cuz we need to learn what real consequences is. Life is not a video game. You can't start [music] over.
Can't hit reset. You're not going to get a you're not going to get a a one man or a extra man, anything like that.
And until black people start giving a damn and and learning to like and love and care about ourselves, we going to keep destroying ourselves. But hey, I'll see y'all later. Y'all have a good Friday. Peace out. And let's love ourselves.
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