The Mega Church Implosion: 50 Years of Watching Empires Fall (And why they need to fall)

Añadido: 2026-05-27

[00:00:01]Hey everyone.

[00:00:02]>> Hi everyone. Ah, >> it's us again.

[00:00:06]>> Uh, on a very uh May gray day.

[00:00:11]>> That's what we call it here in California because when it heats up because we're Southern California and it gets so hot, really hot in land so fast, like literally overnight that it sucks the moisture in from the ocean and it creates this wonderful overcast and it's cool. We're 10 degrees cooler, so we have zero complaints.

[00:00:32]>> Yeah. Inland, like she said, 10° it's amazing. Wherever the sun's shining inland, it's a lot hotter. So, we're really blessed. And we're going to take you with us again today at the speed limit.

[00:00:46]And we're going to talk about uh what it means to be in ministry and how some of the models have not been so uh perfect these days.

[00:01:00]Okay. So, all of us have been ringside.

[00:01:03]We've had ringside seats. If you've been around for a long time, we've been around for a long time. And just as an overview, looking back at starting probably from the early 90s, uh I'll just started from there. We just started to see these huge ministries develop.

[00:01:23]I mean, enormous ones where it was >> mega churches.

[00:01:27]>> Yes. mega churches and it became the norm. like everybody wanted to go to a mega church and there was all these mega conferences and everything was revolved around numbers like how many people it's like oh that guy's church he's got he's got 10,000 people this guy has 20,000 and we're not here to name the names you already know who it is we don't have any I don't even want to name their names but the point is is I've been thinking about lately about and it's this term too big to fail now that has to do with big monster corporations that get bailed out because they are too big to fail. But the church has become a great business. I think of the words of the disciples who said, "Master, look at how what great buildings these are, what great stones these are." And how he said, "There will not be left one stone upon another."

[00:02:27]And so we've lived through many decades of seeing these I I hate to even use the word ministry.

[00:02:36]In fact, to be honest, when I hear the word ministry, it's a really hard word for me or even the word church because of just what we have experienced, what I've seen and personally experienced.

[00:02:49]But the point is is that we have been seeing probably in the last I don't know four or five years the two bigs to fail fail.

[00:03:00]>> Exactly. Uh and I've been in I've been in ministry in social circles in the church uh from small church to mega church. I I I've I've been in all of those arenas and where you have ministry, it happens really in a small place. Uh home groups, one on-one, meeting somebody on the street. So this large concept where we tend to want to go and be a part of this big thing, it actually creates a barrier to ministry. And another thing it c it creates in it creates depend a dependency that Jesus does not want people to have. Um because there's no way people get lost in gigantic ministries. And not to mention like Jonathan just mentioned he talks about like home churches and stuff. I I try not that I had a home church but I was invited to a couple of home churches in my day and I thought these are just scaled down mini versions of the p too bigs to fail and it's a failed model and there's just it's just a reduced size.

[00:04:16]You go to someone's house I know that there's probably some out there so please this is not a blanket covering message to everybody so I digress.

[00:04:27]This is what I see and what I've been contemplating on and thinking about. You know, I think about the words that God says to his prophets, to certain people throughout just throughout the Bible. He always says, "Son of man, what do you see? What do you see?" And God's given us eyes to see for for a reason. God wants us to see exactly what's happening. God wants us to be affected and all you know even Paul says it is good to be zealously affected as long as it's in a good way and so we've been seeing enormous like you know I will mention TBN look at TBN in its glory days TBN is not that far from us how far is it do you think I don't know like an hour up the road >> 20 minutes >> oh 20 minutes >> 25 minutes >> and everybody remembers that big building and Paul and Jan said they built for Jesus to come back to that they thought that he would come back to that building and recently and we know they passed on that building went on to other hands and now it's scraped off the earth it no longer exists. There are so many big name pastors um and women teachers that had millions I mean literally millions of followers throughout the world and where are they now? What's happening? It's like and and and another thing too is that they became multi-millionaires and some of them in the up to a hundred million dollars. And so the church really lost its way. This was never the model for the church. You know, the model for the church, you know, we can look back at Acts and say, "Yeah, they went from house to house and they did all those things." But you know, concerning what's going on in this world today, you know what? You know what God wants? He wants you to come to him. He doesn't want you to be dependent on being fed by, you know, >> a place. He wants you to be fed individually uh in the moment that your crisis comes and that your blessing is found. There's there's so many places in scripture where a one-on-one encounter with Jesus did more to change that person's life >> always >> than the crowd that he preached to.

[00:06:56]>> Yeah. Jesus.

[00:06:57]>> Look at >> look at Zakius, a a guy who was despised by the the group, but God intervene in his life through Jesus and he became uh one of the the most principled >> figures in in history in Christian history.

[00:07:19]You know, you you look at a guy like that, a Zakayas, a little guy. He was wealthy, but you we know the story. He saw Jesus coming and a big crowd following him and he runs ahead and he climbs a tree and Jesus stands under the tree and he looks down to Jesus and Jesus looks up to him and he says, "Zakayas, come down from that tree. It must needs be that I must come to your house today." You know, Jesus wants to come into your house.

[00:07:51]He wants to sit down at your table. He wants to eat with you. He wants to live with you. He wants you to live with him.

[00:08:02]It's not a place. It's not It's your common daily life. And you know, I will tell you this. I don't There's no gloating. There's no looking at all these um massive ministries. I mean the day star debacle that I I won't even touch that. It was so awful the things that we have heard and you know a lot of things I heard are factch checked and you know what I felt sad but you know what God is always not he's not going to play around with his word you know God will let something go go go for so long but then God will come and knock it down especially where his son is concerned and his word because God is not to be used as a road or a means to an end or to achieve receive great wealth and posture and privilege and to have a name after yourself. Even Eliu in chapter 32 of Job, he was the fourth visitor that was silent all the way. You know, he had the three visitors. Uh Job did the three miserable comforters. And finally when it was all said and done, he she spoke up. He said, "I thought aid should speak and wisdom should speak, you know, because of how old these men are." He said, "But I've got," he said, "I'm like a wine skin that's ready to burst. I'm full event." And he said, "It's the wisdom is not always for the aged." You know what we need is we we need the Holy Spirit. We don't need I mean, there's so many people I don't know about you, but I got to a point in my life where I became sermoned out. I was like, I'm I'm listening to the word of God, but it's dead. And it feels like the dead burying the dead. Remember Jesus said, "Follow me and let the dead bury the dead."

[00:09:48]You know there when you come alive there something has to happen in your life and it should happen in your life where you come awake you come alive something opens up in you where you go I've got to have Christ not just another sermon not another song where not another church service where you stand up sit down clap tithe you know the whole program I believe with all my heart like Jonathan pointed out.

[00:10:18]Look at all the accounts of Jesus.

[00:10:21]Yes, he was with crowds, but his ministry was always one face to face, one on one.

[00:10:31]You know, I want to talk to you. I want to take this a little further.

[00:10:34]I was thinking about Daniel.

[00:10:37]Now, I'm not going to get into the whole story. We know that there was the Israelites went into captivity under Babylonian power. under King Nebuchadnezzar.

[00:10:48]And there was three others, Ananiah, Mishael, and Azeriah. I like to say their Hebrew names otherwise is Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. And he was one of them. And he was one of the choice children that were able to stand before the king. And I don't want to get into how he found favor with the king, but it started off really well for them.

[00:11:10]And there came a time where Nebuchadnezzar had a dream. No one can tell the interpretation of it. And then Nebuchadnezzar became mad and said, "I want everyone to die." Like, I want all the uh pro, you know, monthly prognosticators, the magicians, the astrologers, they're all going to be put to death and their houses are going to be cut down and made a dungill. And the word came to Daniel and Daniel said no.

[00:11:36]He didn't want anybody to die. And he requested of the king. He said, let me just read his words because I wanted you to hear something. It says in Daniel chapter 2:1 16. Then Daniel went in and desired of the king that he would give him time and that he would show the king the interpretation. Then Daniel went to his house and he made the thing known to the other three guys. I don't want to read the whole thing. And then verse 19, then was the then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision.

[00:12:17]Daniel was in the captivity. The the temple had burned down.

[00:12:22]There was nowhere else to go.

[00:12:26]And so Daniel went to his house.

[00:12:32]There was nowhere else to go. He went to his house. And furthermore, let me go further here. I want to jump over here.

[00:12:39]There was another situation where Daniel was made one of the presidents. There was several presidents over 127 provinces in Babylon. But uh and then there was three there was three presidents. So there was a group of men that were made uh rulers over all the provinces and there was three presidents and the two presidents conspired against Daniel because he was an upright man. He was had an excellent spirit and they hated him. And so they they tricked the king into passing a law that whosoever would pray unto their god other than the god of Nebuchadnezzar that they would be killed. And so Nebuchadnezzar or I think it was um not Nebuchadnezzar at this time. We'll just say the king. So the Das So Das went along with it, signed it, and then he realized he signed Daniel's death warrant. So when Daniel heard about the signing, here's the word in Daniel 6:10. Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneel down upon his knees three times a day and prayed and gave thanks before his God as he did a four time. And so what do we have here? You're looking at a man who was given ultimate privilege. He could have at any time, even the first time, said, "Is there a place? Is there a room for me here in your palace house that I can seek the Lord my king? I believe it strongly suggests that he went to his house. He left that palace because he didn't want to pray under the roof of that heathen king. He did it because of their gods. He went to his own house and he kneelled down three times a day and he the it said the cha the windows being open to the east and he was praying toward Jerusalem and he kneled three times a day and he gave thanks unto the God and to our to the his to our God his God and finally the thing was revealed to him in the night. You see, God wants you to get to a place where you're not so completely dependent on your church group, even on anybody, on anybody.

[00:15:15]Jesus just wants you to know you are a temple of the Holy Spirit.

[00:15:23]There are chambers. I think about that word in Song of Solomon, the king is held in his galleries. You know there there's a gallery in your heart. Christ is there. There's a chamber in your heart and you can pray to him. You can look to him.

[00:15:42]Jesus always says come unto me. Remember the disciples uh uh John Baptist disciples a couple of them were following Jesus and Jesus turned to them and said what do you want? And they said master where do you live? and he said, "Come and see." And then there's another time where he says, "Come unto me all ye that are weary and heavy laden."

[00:16:10]You know, he says at the end to the disciples after his resurrection, he made food on the beach that morning in his resurrected body and he said, "Come and dine." You know, the Lord is always asking you personally to come to him.

[00:16:28]And I think that because of what's going on in the world today, the failure of the church system, I know there's good churches out there. I know people that belong to them. I'm omitting that. But I've been along around long enough over 50 years in Christ to see that all these models failed.

[00:16:46]Everybody's always coming up with a new like kind of a marketing thing, you know, like for instance lately I've been seeing a lot of uh advertisements on Instagram uh new church opening up in our area and I've been seeing like kind of a lot of them.

[00:17:06]>> Well, and what is the attraction? What is what is it in the person who finds an ad like that and says, "Oh, I I want to go. I want to go." What what are they missing? And what are they hoping for in I got to go to this church. I got to go to another church. I got to find a church >> because they're hungry >> because they're they want hope. And we've been talking about the encounter that Jesus had individually with people.

[00:17:36]And it every incident where there was some uh d redirected attention, the woman with the issue of blood, Zakius, >> manful, the manful of leprosy, >> all of them had some kind of distress that they needed hope. They needed to to latch on to something. And if you're a person who kind of goes through life, everything's going well, uh, hope is probably not in your daily routine. Uh, discipline, obedience, but not so much hope. But if you're a person who has to deal with situations where you don't know what you're going to do, uh, and if it keeps going in a certain direction, it's not going to end well. So what happens is your heart is suddenly summoned by the Holy Spirit through hope and you want to find an answer that has eluded you. Um part of part of the discovery of of personal relationship with Jesus is relying on him in faith in hope and in love.

[00:18:54]Uh, and to have faith is to believe something that you can't see and a hope in it that it will be true and it's beyond what you can taste, touch or feel. You know, I think that there's, you know, I think because we're encased in these bodies of flesh, in mortal time, in a material world, in a 3D world, um it's difficult in the body because it's very hard to delineate the divinity of God, you know, the the the God that is beyond our understanding.

[00:19:33]And we unfortunately tend to create a God, a Jesus, not even on purpose, not even knowing that we're doing it. We're creating a God out of our own understanding. You know, in the word, I loved what John said. He said that the de he said one day he walked in the room and he said, "You know what the you know what the verse is of the definition of surrender?" And I said, "No, what is it?" He said, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him and he will direct your path." You know, um I was looking at a testimony yesterday. this man in his 80s, he's got to be 80s, probably near 90. And he said, "I was one of 10 men that were gonna go one day to one of Billy Graham's uh you know, >> crusade."

[00:20:28]>> Crusade and we were going to kill him.

[00:20:31]He said, "Me and nine other guys, we got our guns, we put them in our, you know, we packed them in and we were going to go kill him," he said. And so we got to the crusade and he he kind of alluded that he was in an area where he kind of separated from the nine others. And while he was hearing Billy Graham speaking, he said in his mind, "What am I doing here?" And then he said he heard an audible voice in his ear say, "Yes, George. What are you doing here?"

[00:21:08]And he said that shook him to his core and he couldn't believe it. He said he just and then you know he went he just stood there listening to the entire message and at the end he said he pulled his gun out and threw it on the ground and he ran to the front and got saved and the other nine guys were there and they all got saved. And then later on he prayed to the Lord because he said that when he was young, God uh took his he said God his father died and he blamed God for that and that from that time that he was hurt by God all those many many years and he was angry with God and he was going to kill him. And he said to God, I was I've been angry with you because you hurt me. You took my father away. you hurt me. And he heard Jesus say to him, "I didn't hurt you."

[00:22:07]He told him a couple other things, but he said, "I didn't hurt." I know. He said, "I would never hurt you." That's what he said. I would never hurt you.

[00:22:16]But see that? See what I'm saying is he got alone with God and he said what he needed to say. I think so many people are buttoned up and afraid. Well, I'm afraid to come to God like that. Like it's I can't pray like that, Joanie.

[00:22:28]It's like you've got to get to yourself.

[00:22:30]You got to get yourself to that place where you let yourself, you release your spirit. You open yourself up and you go, you know, I'm I'm upset. I'm hurt. I'm You hurt me, God.

[00:22:45]God will God says I've heard so many testimonies where God just spoke words of power and healing into that broken life and they went on to enjoy the rest of their life. So >> yeah, people carry around a suitcase full of events, things that they lose their identity if they don't have that suitcase. Their identity is wrapped up in >> anger, >> anger or misfortune or >> self-pity.

[00:23:25]Um, and we we carry stuff along the way that God wants us to have open hands.

[00:23:32]open hands that are held out to him.

[00:23:35]And if you have something in your hand that you can't let go of or you have a suitcase full of remembrances, it's time to forgive to let to open your hand and let God heal the brokenhearted part of your life.

[00:23:51]>> And you know, I want to say something.

[00:23:53]You know, a friend of mine reached out to me and she said, "Joanie, I know this guy. He needs prayer so bad." and she gave me a list of the most horrendous things that are happening to him that were like that took me beyond like you know those times where you go how do you pray about that like that's so intense and so beyond kind of like my pay scale you know and you know what the Lord and and lately I've been getting a lot of emails from the most beloved Christians Christians that have been serving Christ for decades absolutely beautiful believers and they're telling me they're coming down with cancer home situations that are devastating and I won't I will not say it because I don't want to give away anything where you're like okay how do you pray about that you know the Lord so gently in a way that I heard him very clearly in the spirit of understanding where if I were to put words on it and I want to be clear I'm not putting words in the Lord's mouth but in a way it's like I heard Jesus say to I'm not asking you to.

[00:25:04]I'm just asking you. No, he didn't say I'm asking. He said yours is to pray.

[00:25:10]Just ask me.

[00:25:12]God is all power. We don't have the answers. We don't understand why. You know, there's people that go, "Well, I've I have fasted. I have done this and that." We don't have answers. But that doesn't mean Jesus is done with you. You know, we watched that movie, the uh George Whitfield movie, A Great Awakening. We watched it yesterday.

[00:25:33]And you just see this guy who was born in a terrible home life. His stepfather was horrible. And you can watch a movie yourself. And he goes through series of things in his life. and he just bec what happened was when he was at college he was able to go to college and John and his brother John and uh what's the other Wesley you would think I remember that but the Wesley brothers they saw him he had a role of being a servtor which means he couldn't afford to go to Oxford but he had to work his way through there being a servant to everybody and they were horribly mocking him and mistreating him. And he had a defective eye, obviously an injury, and they were laughing at him. And and so these men that were part of this group, a small group, were I don't know the names of them, but uh John and Charles Wesley were part of it, and they saw how he was being treated. And so one day they came to him, and they watched it. They were watching was happening, and they brought a bowl of water. And at this point, Charles West um uh George Woodfield, he wanted nothing to do with religion because he said, "I've seen religion."

[00:26:51]He said, "I have seen it." He said, "Nothing happens. It's dead. It's dry.

[00:26:57]Nothing happens. I don't want anything to do with it." And then they got down and they began to wash his feet. And he was so touched by that, he started hanging around with those brothers. And then one day he went to the prison house and they were praying over people and he spent the entire night with those brothers washing the feet of all of those dirty prisoners whose lives were trashed and lost.

[00:27:27]And I really was thinking about the two bigs to fail. And I'm and I say this with reverence to the Lord and respect.

[00:27:40]They need to fail.

[00:27:43]>> We're constantly being fitted every day through the common life, through the special life, through the intricacies of life to be the hands and feet that bring hope to the lost.

[00:28:02]>> Right in your life, >> right where you're at. Stop looking around the corner. You know, >> it's not out there somewhere. It's right where you're living.

[00:28:08]>> Yeah. Because here's the deal. The model for postmodern Christianity is there's always something around the corner that you need to be, you know, going to uh divinity school. You need to get all your different books. You need to get your your dials. You need to get your Strongs concordances. You need to get all these different books. You got to get all these things. And that puts you at absolute complete variance with the Holy Spirit.

[00:28:38]>> Yeah. There's some there's some people that I I knew before they were seminarians that they became different people and they lost the hope that they started out.

[00:28:51]>> You know what? It's just it's amazing how you change intellectually when the spirit is out of the picture.

[00:29:00]>> You know, AB Simpson said this. He said, "I did not lack the I did not lack power. I lacked sweetness."

[00:29:09]There is a sweetness. There is a sound that is heard in the voice of nameless millions of people all over the world that love Jesus Christ in sincerity.

[00:29:21]They love them in little villages in India and Nigeria and all places of the world and they don't have the big buildings. They don't have the laptops and they don't have all the books. They have nothing. But you know what? I in myself, I just feel so empowered in my own spirit just to say to you, you know, there's a reason why Jesus became violent and he knocked over the tables of the money changers and he let go of the doves and he had a whip of cords and he was mad and he said, "Take these things away.

[00:30:01]My father's h you know what is it?" He turned our father's house into a den of thieves.

[00:30:08]>> Yeah. A den of thieves. You know, you're making merchandise out of the He goes, "You're making merchandise out of the out of in my father's house. You've turned it into a den of thieves." You know what I think to myself? I think so many churches have have become a a den of thieves. There's no life in them. The dead are talking to the dead. That's why everybody is going from place to place, you know. And Amos 8:11 is says God says in the latter days I will send a famine of the hearing of the word of the Lord.

[00:30:41]Uh a famine not a famine of bread nor thirst of water but a famine of the hearing of the word of the Lord. And many shall run to and fro going from north to east or something like that. How he puts it different. He said, "But they will not be able to find it." Because, you know, a point comes where God has to knock down big ministries and ways that they done it. You know, everybody likes to pick on the Jews when they read the Pharisees.

[00:31:08]Oh, look at that. You know, they should have known. They should have known. It's like what we should know by now. You know, we need to stop pointing at the Jews and go, well, you know, look at how they treated Jesus. It was pretty bad.

[00:31:20]It was. But I'm saying in in so many so many ways we have told Jesus we are rich and we have need of nothing because this because this because I don't even want to say it's a body of Christ. It says in the word the throne of God standeth sure upon this foundation having the seal. The Lord knows them that are his.

[00:31:53]God knows who you are.

[00:31:56]God is not impressed with the big shot up there with with doctor uh PhD, Ph.D., You know, all throughout the Bible and all throughout history, there are nameless people, little children, little men and women in agrarian societies who were powerful in their faith. They didn't know how to read or anything.

[00:32:21]I'll tell you something. I would rather and I asked the Lord, if it is possible, I pray you burn up all the wood, hay, and stubble in my life. Because I'll tell you something you guys, I've been around a long time. I was with Minute to Midnight and then all eight years down Joanie Stall's Field Notes and I confessed to God on my knees, my spiritual knees. And I said, "Lord, I have done nothing.

[00:32:48]You are all I see.

[00:32:53]I have nothing.

[00:32:55]And you are my all and all. Burn it up.

[00:32:58]Burn it all up." and that we should all take a knee and can make that confession of renewal, make that confession of uh forming our own religious life. Lord, we're in the we're in the last days, folks.

[00:33:15]>> And it's going to get bad.

[00:33:17]>> It's the love of most are going to go grow cold. Uh, and to the extent that you can warm the fire, light the flame, be the light on a hill, take up that challenge. This is a new life, a new day, and we're in the times where it's going to get harder to do as we see and and pray and hope for Jesus's return.

[00:33:44]In the meantime, occupy till he comes.

[00:33:49]>> And you know what? Don't be afraid to run your race. Stop asking people permission. Stop running things by everybody. What do you think I should do? What do you think? What do you think? You know what? There has to come a day where you take the training wheels off. You remember? And I hate to use express, you know, the this movie view, but remember in Forest Gump and he had those leg braces on and those guys were throwing rocks at him and Jenny says to him, "Run, Forest, run." and he could barely run his stiff little legs because of those braces. But he starts bolting hard and those braces blast off of his legs and he runs like the wind. You know what? Jesus wants you to run your race with confidence in Christ. And listen, yeah, there are things coming that are that look, we don't want to even discuss it. You yourself know that what is coming um today might seem okay.

[00:34:47]grocery prices, rent, nobody can buy a house anymore. Nobody can afford anything. And it's going to get way worse. And this is the time now to start letting those braces blast off of you.

[00:35:02]Get rid of the training wheels. Stop making your pastor, your friends. I'm not putting people down. They have your best intentions. But what do you say?

[00:35:10]What Jesus is saying, who do you say that I am? Who do you say that I am?

[00:35:15]You know, I'll tell you Jesus is call the Apostle. I'm going to end in this and then you can close out. In first Timothy chapter 6, he said um that we've brought nothing into this world and it's certain we can carry nothing out.

[00:35:35]You know, let me see. And then he further I think I'm going to probably get it mixed up, but the main thing he says is that a man may boldly say, "The Lord is my helper. Whom shall I fear?"

[00:35:53]You know that boldness is not meaning you're yelling. It doesn't mean you're talking louder. You're stamping your feet and you're waving your hand because there is a holy boldness that comes from knowing my God shall supply all my need according to his riches and glory by Christ Jesus. But he says, see, you can memorize that word, but do you know it?

[00:36:23]Do you know it for sure? I mean, Paul said, "Knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men." And perhaps today, us knowing the terror of the Lord, we're persuading you today to break free, to to fly. Let your faith fly. Believe God for the impossible. Watch what he will do. John and I have watched the impossible happen to our life. And you know, that was only a taste. Look at what happened at Billy Graham. Billy Graham, he was obviously people have been praying for him. for me as a praying life. God was protecting him.

[00:36:57]Those men got saved. And one one last I know this is kind of going along long.

[00:37:02]One more story. I was listening on Instagram and this one guy was you know on Instagram how they can play a video behind them. They're featuring it and the guy goes, "You guys, you need to understand about prayer. Listen to what this woman said. You need to start praying more."

[00:37:18]And this woman said she was in her car and she said, "Not that long ago, my husband uh passed away in a car accident." And the day that he passed away, I was in my car and I got a phone call and they told me my husband had just been in a car accident and that he died. And I was hysterical. And I got home. I drove home and I picked up the phone and I called his mother and I told her what happened. And she said, "What?"

[00:37:51]She said, "I am a witch and I belong to a coven with other witches and I've been passing your photo around to them and we've been cursing you to die."

[00:38:11]But look at how she But and she said, "But now but we knew that it wouldn't work because you pray too much."

[00:38:25]>> Well, that was a fitting uh conclusion to this lesson today. We want to thank you for listening and remember, it's your race, it's your lane, and it's your fight. So keep the faith.

[00:38:40]>> It's a good fight of faith. It's not just a fight. It's a good fight.

[00:38:44]>> And be be influential in your sphere.

[00:38:48]And find people who will listen. And the people that won't listen. Don't spend too much time with people don't that don't want to hear about it. Uh God is the one who's prompting those people that will listen. So you be available.

[00:39:02]Thank you for being available for us.

[00:39:04]Thank you for your patience.

[00:39:06]>> Yeah.

[00:39:07]>> Thank you for your prayers. Thank you for your support.

[00:39:10]>> We uh live and breathe on the the the heartbeat of the Lord.

[00:39:15]>> Praise the Lord.

[00:39:16]>> And we thank you for being with us.

[00:39:18]>> Amen.

[00:39:19]>> So, we're going to leave it there. Uh I'm Jonathan again in case anybody doesn't know. And our Patreon account, you can become a Patreon subscriber, uh PayPal, uh and any other means that you feel like you want to. We are here and we're here as your humble servants. Thank you again and we'll talk to you next time.

[00:39:44]Praise the Lord. We love you guys. Bye for now.