Christians Walk Away After Muslim Opens The Bible | Mansur | Speakers Corner

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[00:00:00]Relax, relax, relax, relax.

[00:00:01]>> Well, I need to go now.

[00:00:02]>> I know. I know. I know. When the tough gets going, of course, you need to go.

[00:00:06]We know that already. No problem. No problem.

[00:00:24]These people are from Germany and I have a very good conversation with them, you know. It's about Yeah. My name is What's yours?

[00:00:31]>> Paul. Nice to meet you.

[00:00:32]>> Nice to meet you, Paul. So, you're a Muslim? Yeah. From Germany?

[00:00:34]>> No. No. I'm a I'm a Christian.

[00:00:36]>> Why are you not a Muslim like Jesus Christ?

[00:00:38]>> I uh I don't believe that Jesus Christ is Muslim. I'm myself, but I think he was God and the Quran said that he's not God.

[00:00:49]>> So, do you know what we mean by Muslim?

[00:00:51]The word Muslim is not an English word, but I think we need to put it in an English dictionary. What's the meaning of the word Muslim? What in my question?

[00:00:59]What why are you not a Muslim like Jesus Christ? Do you know what what I mean by Muslim?

[00:01:03]>> I know what you mean, but my English isn't that good. In German, I could say it and Muslim means that's like give his life to God maybe or something like this.

[00:01:13]>> Close. So Muslim is someone who submits their willingly and sincerely to the will of one true God.

[00:01:22]So if you do that so in the generic sense you'll be called a Muslim. But Muslim also have a technical meaning like when God has sent prophets and messengers to follow the final messenger the last of them and following God's will through them makes you a Muslim technically. So the last of the final messenger of course is now prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam. But Jesus when I say he was a Muslim. So what I mean is he is someone who submitted his will as a person willingly and sincerely to the will of one true God. Was I wrong in my assumption?

[00:02:04]Did he not submit to the will of God willing and sincerely?

[00:02:10]>> Yes. Yeah, I know. I I think I know what you want to say, but uh I have other topics. What? Uh >> so do you agree then? We can go into the other topics of your interest. That's not a problem.

[00:02:23]>> So you agree Jesus submitted his will >> of God.

[00:02:27]>> Willingly and sincerely to the will of one true God.

[00:02:30]>> Yes.

[00:02:31]>> So remember when we submit to someone, >> it's not submitting to our own self.

[00:02:36]>> That will be like self worship. Yeah.

[00:02:38]>> So when we submit to someone else, we submit someone who is higher in authority, someone who is more greater than us. So obviously when we talk about God, God is the greatest of all. There can be no one greater than God. So Jesus having submitting himself to God means he recognizes the distinction between him and God. God is the greatest being who deserves our submitting to and Jesus is not the greatest. So God being the greatest, anyone else who is not the greatest, would you not agree that they cannot be God when you said Jesus to you is God? So if you are submitting to someone greater than you, how can you be labeled as God in any way, shape or form? Because the Bible says that Jesus made him by his choice choice um under the father and in the moment where he wasn't a human he was like god but of his choice he said I want to go under the father and submitted to prayer maybe and something like this right that's was by his own choice but he was god and he was with the father they are separate yes they are separate but they are one god that's what I believe >> that's why you confused Excuse me.

[00:03:58]>> If Jesus is someone who has a father, so presumably you call him the son.

[00:04:04]>> Yeah.

[00:04:05]>> So there is son and the father >> and the father is greater. Jesus is submitting. How do you then make all of these two persons into one god?

[00:04:17]>> It's not about us how we make them. It's about how God is. We we can't understand God. God is so big and we we can't even understand how uh how everything on earth's going, how the oceans are, how big they are. We only know 3% of the oceans and we talking about the god. Of course, I know it's um it's logical to think God is one thing and we believe in one God and it's for us uh difficult to understand that he's in three parts, right? I understand but it's God. We're talking about a God.

[00:04:50]God being more than one person.

[00:04:54]Each person, how do you describe each person in relation to the overall God?

[00:05:00]Is each person equal, less, more, greater than God? So what I mean is this. Suppose we are a community of five persons.

[00:05:12]Individually each person is less than the group.

[00:05:18]So when you have Jesus in a community >> in a relationship of three persons making one God >> that whole thing is greater than individual person right >> um I would say they are all the same with the Holy Spirit that's also a difficult part but I would say that the son and the father are have similar states the holy spirit it's it's like it says the spirit who goes in the believers and if other functions you know but uh Jesus and the father are the same yes >> same what >> same rights same everything >> so they have the same ability >> yes same ability >> so the father had the ability to beget to generate a son does the son has the ability >> generated he don't generate him not generated >> does he have the ability to generate another son >> yes >> so has he done it >> no >> so it's possible that there can be other sons and grandsons of the father.

[00:06:19]So God is no longer restricted to three persons. There can be more. There can be millions and billions because each person that is generated as a son should also have the ability to generate. So the sun generates another son and this son generates another son and it can go on and on and forth. So you'll have how many sons? How many persons in God?

[00:06:38]>> Yes. Okay. Maybe I can do it. Yes.

[00:06:40]>> So So how do you then understand what you mean by one God? Because you no longer have one. You have many.

[00:06:47]>> We have three in one.

[00:06:49]>> But these are three gods.

[00:06:50]>> But but you can have many now. Many sons.

[00:06:52]>> And we also can seven or five or something. But if the Bible says that the three parts are one God, then I believe it.

[00:07:00]>> Okay. What does Jesus say? What does Jesus say about himself? Does he say he is one God? Part of one God.

[00:07:06]>> Yes. Often >> where >> I can show you a lot of verses where he didn't say I am God directly. Yes. But he uh said it in some verses uh that everybody understands pray to him. He don't didn't interrupt him. He let him pray to him.

[00:07:20]>> Yeah. And so what was Thomas saying and what Jesus how he did he respond?

[00:07:26]>> He he didn't respond wrong. He didn't say uh stop it. He let him pray to him.

[00:07:31]>> He fell down.

[00:07:32]>> So Thomas falls down and pray. So if somebody falls down to you, >> I am the parter. We are one.

[00:07:39]>> No, that's not with Thomas. That's something else. So let's deal. Let's deal one at a time. If somebody comes along from speaker's corner >> and falls down and starts worshiping you, >> does that make you God?

[00:07:49]>> No, of course it don't make me go. Like I have a trust in Jesus Christ.

[00:07:52]>> Even if you even if you don't say anything, even if you say it's okay, would that make you God?

[00:07:56]>> No. But I I have to trust in Jesus Christ that he would say something if someone's falling down and he's not God.

[00:08:03]>> No.

[00:08:04]>> I'm trying to I'm trying to understand something.

[00:08:06]>> The actions of people. So if somebody comes along and falls on on the ground and worships you, >> would that make you God?

[00:08:15]>> Right? So it's not about people's actions, what they do to Jesus Christ or to God that makes God God. What are the essential characteristics of God that makes God God?

[00:08:24]>> Um I want to say something to this point. He um if someone down to Jesus Christ, I have the belief that Jesus would say something against it in at this moment. But when Joseph and his brothers when the brothers came and fall down to Joseph exactly likewise does that make Joseph God? He didn't say anything.

[00:08:45]>> No, this was this kind of respect that was something else they didn't pray to him. Right.

[00:08:50]>> So what did Thomas do?

[00:08:52]>> That makes a prayer of praying to God.

[00:08:56]What did he say exactly?

[00:08:57]>> We can read the verse if you want.

[00:08:59]>> Yeah. Go ahead.

[00:09:05]And that doesn't of course change away from the fact that if somebody comes and prays to you as oh God, it still is not going to make you God.

[00:09:19]The verse goes like this. Thomas answered, "My God, my Lord and my God."

[00:09:25]Something along this line.

[00:09:26]>> Yes.

[00:09:28]>> Yeah. What was the question he was answering? My my God. He said it already and Jesus didn't say to God.

[00:09:34]>> Was what? Thomas was answering. What's the question? He was answering.

[00:09:40]>> Wait a moment.

[00:09:42]The question is not there recorded in the scripture.

[00:09:53]>> Yes. The uh Jesus answered um here.

[00:09:58]Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed. Jesus said uh that is good to believe that he is God even we don't see it. It says clearly here >> when Thomas said look it says clearly Thomas answered him. What was the question?

[00:10:21]>> Put your fingers here and see my hand and put out your hand and place it in my sight. Do not disbelieve but believe.

[00:10:28]>> What was the question?

[00:10:29]>> There's no question.

[00:10:30]>> But he answered.

[00:10:31]>> Yes.

[00:10:32]>> So if you answer something, obviously you are answering a question that was asked. It's not recorded there.

[00:10:37]>> Yeah.

[00:10:37]>> So that's why we're saying now you understand something about this scripture. Do you think God wrote those scriptures or human beings writing it?

[00:10:46]>> Human beings writing it through the Holy Spirit and God uh influenced them.

[00:10:51]>> Do you believe in the Gospel of St. Thomas >> which is not in the Bible? No.

[00:10:56]>> Do you believe in the Gospel of Philip?

[00:10:58]>> Gospel of Judas?

[00:10:59]>> Judas? Yes.

[00:11:00]>> No, it's not in the Bible.

[00:11:02]>> Gospel of Gospel of Judas.

[00:11:04]>> No. No.

[00:11:04]>> Do you believe in the Gospel of Mary?

[00:11:06]>> No.

[00:11:06]>> It's not in the Bible. So, who wrote those Gospels?

[00:11:10]>> Humans.

[00:11:11]>> Humans.

[00:11:11]>> From random people.

[00:11:12]>> So, were they lying?

[00:11:14]>> Yes. So you establish from earlier on there were people who followed Jesus in some way or another and they were lying about God and they writing scripture with their own hands and they were attributing this to God saying this is from God. This is precisely our objection. The four gospels that you have I am saying the same thing. People are writing with their own hands and attributing this to God.

[00:11:40]What do you have to say that these four writings are indeed what Jesus was preaching? What is the credibility that you can derive from it than saying I'm certain these books are clearly truly authentically describing the life and teaching of Jesus? What is the indication? What gives you that guarantee and what gives you that confidence? Um okay uh we have many um scriptures from this times who can say when the uh scriptures are got wrote right and um we need to look at the time when Jesus lived. Yeah.

[00:12:24]Maybe John wrote 19 after Christ uh Mark earlier than that and we have a lot of this and the other scriptures you talk about are 100 years after Jesus lives.

[00:12:35]First of all that second of all I trust in Jesus Christ and in God that she are um uh looks at the Bible is clean. No I don't think that if God want to have a book what calls his word that he let any books outside his word and inside of the influence of the holy spirits got in this book in the bible that that's my trust to Jesus Christ that everything that I read in the bible his word. So this is a circular reasoning. You assume there's a Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit has inspired these authors to write. But what I'm asking is when we examine these books, what does it give you as an evidence to share with a non-Christian that these books are indeed from God? Because when I examine these books, do you know what I find? I find the author is changing history, giving misinformation, incorrect and false information about the past and writing things, attributing things which actually those previous people didn't even say. To give you one example, Matthew writes and he says, "He shall be called a Nazarene as was spoken by the prophets." You go back to the Old Testament, read every single book, you won't find a prophecy by any of the prophets, any of the prophets who prophesies that he shall be called a Nazarene. So what I am saying, he just invented a prophecy which does not exist.

[00:14:08]>> So that shows the what a credibility of an individual. He has no integr integrity to be relied upon because he's making things up which does not exist. If you ask Christian scholarship for the last 2,000 years, they aren't able to find a verse there. There's an option which some people have suggested maybe there was some writing some scripture which is now lost. Then what? Then it tells you that your Bible, the previous books have not been preserved.

[00:14:43]>> So you either have Matthew being someone who's making things up as he goes along or Matthew is correct, but the books that he's referring to, they have not been preserved. So the question that we should be asking now is, does God preserve his statements, his scripture, his teaching?

[00:15:06]preserve. What does it mean?

[00:15:07]>> To keep it intact.

[00:15:10]>> Yes.

[00:15:11]>> Not to get lost.

[00:15:12]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:15:12]>> Not to be changed. Not to be corrupted.

[00:15:15]>> Yeah. Yes. Of course.

[00:15:17]>> Then how do you explain that the book is is no longer available. It's not there.

[00:15:22]And Matthew is trying to make a point that Jesus won't call the Nazarene.

[00:15:28]>> But he can't make a point because no one can go back to this book which doesn't exist.

[00:15:32]>> Can you show me the verse?

[00:15:33]>> Yeah. If you open up the first chapter of Matthew, if you had a physical copy, it's in the second page almost.

[00:15:42]So, I'll show Do you have a Bible? Can I borrow it, please? Thank you, woman.

[00:15:48]Here.

[00:15:58]This place is >> Wait a moment. They come.

[00:16:04]>> That's That's fine. That's fine. Take your time.

[00:16:11]>> Yeah.

[00:16:11]>> Learn something. Don't be embarrassed.

[00:16:13]>> Honestly, Muslims generally we like you.

[00:16:16]>> All right. So, one question then I will really wrap it up for today. All right.

[00:16:20]>> Okay. One question.

[00:16:22]>> If you know better English than me, he will help me a little bit if it's okay for you. Right.

[00:16:26]>> So fulfilled what was said through the prophets. He will be called a Nazarene.

[00:16:31]>> Yes. So, where did any of the prophets say he will be called Nazarene? It's a specific prophecy.

[00:16:37]>> Let me go there.

[00:16:38]>> Yeah.

[00:16:39]>> Isaiah 53.

[00:16:41]>> Mhm.

[00:16:42]>> Uh yes, 53. Exactly.

[00:16:50]>> Yeah.

[00:16:50]>> Yeah. Go and read.

[00:16:51]>> It's 53:es 1 and 2. Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender chute. And this word for tenderoot in the Hebrew it is neter.

[00:17:03]This is related to Nazareth the town where Jesus come from. He's a neter because he's a Nazarene. This is where they get the prophecy from.

[00:17:10]>> No, this is it. You misunderstood what I'm saying.

[00:17:12]>> And that is the last question.

[00:17:14]>> No, you you you misunderstood. So this is what Christians try to explain it and it fails as a reasonable explanation why. It's not about finding a root of that particular word. Netzer means a shootute. The prophecy is very specific.

[00:17:33]He shall be called enzarin. He shall be called he shall be called Emmanuel. He shall be called prince of peace, right?

[00:17:42]Mighty God, the everlasting father. So where did the prophet say that he shall be called? So I'm afraid your friend has done exactly what the Christian scholarship is trying to do for the last 2,000 years. find a verse to support Matthew which is not supportable.

[00:18:01]>> Why?

[00:18:02]>> Because the prophecy says he shall be called a Nazarin.

[00:18:05]>> Yes.

[00:18:06]>> Hebrew and that statement in Isaiah >> doesn't say he shall be called a Nazarene.

[00:18:15]Night and day difference. It's like imagine the prophecy someone says you know what the prophecy is said by this he's saying I am happy today >> what's the connection he shall be called the Nazarene and be happy today no connection so this is one example out of many in fact even the very first page I mean this shows how we cannot trust the Bible or the writers of the New Testament here Relax, relax, relax, relax.

[00:18:46]>> Well, I need to go now. I know. I know.

[00:18:48]I know. When sentence, when the tough gets going, of course, you need to go.

[00:18:51]We know that already.

[00:18:53]>> No problem. No problem.

[00:18:54]>> So, today I just coming for you.

[00:18:56]>> So, basically, so basically, you're going to go now home now because you you have no time or are you going to spend some time with other people?

[00:19:02]>> All right.

[00:19:03]>> Which one is it? Are you going to go home back to your hotel back to Germany?

[00:19:07]>> Back to my friends. So, >> and then are you still going to speak corner?

[00:19:10]>> Yes.

[00:19:10]>> Right. SO, THAT MEANS YOU are you have time to speak. So, here is something educational for you. Why does Matthew actually I'm not going to say he lied because it's really nice.

[00:19:29]>> Keep running boys. Keep running.

[00:19:31]>> Jesus loves you guys. So, so this is an example. Thank you very much. This is an example of how when the Christian theology, scripture, belief system is critiqued by a non-Christian and they find it uncomfortable, they are not willing to engage with it. We are Muslims and we are here every week to take your questions.

[00:19:53]>> So just to give you a background, so these guys initially came, you know, obviously Rob Tommy Robinson's fan saying that, oh, radical Muslim, radical this, and that is what they wanted the clips. If that is not coming, they didn't want to record it.

[00:20:06]>> So, we brought the Bible. Okay. And they ran.

[00:20:09]>> Yeah.

[00:20:09]>> And he admitted on camera, he doesn't have enough knowledge about the Bible. I said, "Why you?"

[00:20:13]>> Yeah.

[00:20:13]>> Why you putting your nose into other people's religion when you haven't studied your own Bible?

[00:20:17]>> Yeah. So, as Muslims, we invite questions and criticisms. If you have any questions about Islam, you're more than we are more than happy to take your questions. Okay? Because truth is very clear and self-evident.

[00:20:32]If you are not a Muslim like Jesus Christ and you are a Christian, ask yourself why are you not a Muslim when Christ was a Muslim?

[00:20:40]If you are not a Muslim, ask in general.

[00:20:44]WHY ARE YOU NOT SUBMITTING your will to the will of one true God? Isn't that where would lie your salvation? That's why it's important to engage with these critical questions and may God guide us closer and closer to it.