PRESENTAZIONE DEL LIBRO "PANZANE"

Added: 2026-05-17

[00:00:00]So you put on the cushions and even if you don't come.

[00:00:05]You have in my cell phone there are his 10 cards if the small one, the one there. Bravo.

[00:00:13]You've already logged in here.

[00:00:19]Thank you.

[00:00:20]We can take photos. Well yes. Well yes.

[00:00:25]And it also has the amplifier you can see by voice. Let's go then.

[00:00:32]Yes, he parked a Fiat Panda somewhere, but obviously he was going somewhere.

[00:00:42]So, let's use a natural voice and the microphone is only for recording.

[00:00:49]In the meantime, thanks and congratulations to whoever organized this thing, which is not just Ider, but especially Alessandro.

[00:00:59]Cassano, the microphone.

[00:01:08]You're funny because we go to the same hairdresser, right? All three spring.

[00:01:13]And he doesn't, it seems like they did it because he feels bad.

[00:01:21]Well, for those who are down there, they already feel bad.

[00:01:25]Ok, I hear a microphone.

[00:01:26]Oh my god, there's a microphone. Well yes. excited, you can sing.

[00:01:36]Go, go.

[00:01:37]So, let's start again from the beginning, let's go back with the images and in the meantime, thanks to everyone present and a special thanks, a special compliment to Alessandro Cassano who is here on the right and who organized this thing. Then we sent invitations, stuff, etc. to many people, but we don't need to talk at length about who worked there because we have an important guest who will talk to us about important things and who is coming from Palermo. For me, Palermo was a magical city. I taught autostomatology at the University of Palermo and Gabriele Prinzzi is a surgeon specializing in emergency abdominal surgery.

[00:02:30]expert in functional medicine, great knowledge of the microbiota and for all those who follow him, he is a man who doesn't give a damn about what needs to be said. I'll pass him the microphone because now I'll be quiet, at least there will be some questions.

[00:02:48]And then Alessandro, who has already prepared a series of rock questions that they have concerted because he doesn't remember them.

[00:02:58]This is the brain-microbiota relationship and therefore it is a living testimony.

[00:03:03]Please.

[00:03:05]Sorry for the meantime. Good evening.

[00:03:08]Thank you. And whoever is at the bottom doesn't see me. Oh, all thanks to all the friends who came considering the weather in Rome and the impossibility of finding parking in Rome. I thought Palermo was a complicated city, but Rome isn't any different either. So, first of all, thank you because each of you has surely changed plans, will have thrown a lot of bad words in the middle of traffic, and thank you for being here.

[00:03:36]Alessandro, whenever you want. I go.

[00:03:38]Hey, hi everyone. Thank you, too, from me, and I mean, obviously, for anyone, let's say, anyone who wants to ask questions, we'll have a way to interact with you and so at least it will be an even more enjoyable evening than you think. And I'll start right away with a joke, Gabriele, your book published by Mondadori is part of the Vivere meglio collection, which in my opinion is a bit at odds with the title, right? That absolutely your title is nonsense. So I ask you, is this a contradiction or is it in line with this era of revelations that are demolishing the healthcare system built on marketing?

[00:04:27]And it's not that there was a lawyer from some pharmaceutical company when they proposed the title to me, because theoretically this book should have been called the Prinzi method, but I said this title in my opinion has a laxative effect.

[00:04:45]And when the great Paola Violetti, I hope she's watching us live along with all the others we greet on YouTube and Facebook, when she said Panzani I initially turned up my nose a little because it seemed a bit provocative, a bit too provocative, but she said "You are the doctor of bellies".

[00:05:07]This me who calls myself professor is a provincial doctor. Palermo isn't such a big city, but Banzan is an alternative way of saying [ __ ], and I've been told that [ __ ] is a bad word here in Rome. Some of my Roman friends say even worse.

[00:05:22]And the idea was to bring people, the masses, understandable information about all the nonsense that drives those health workers blindly towards the guidelines.

[00:05:37]Unfortunately, the pandemic we've all experienced has led to a change in the rules of the game, so the law states that if you follow the guidelines exactly and the patient dies, no one can say anything to you because you followed the guidelines.

[00:05:55]But I had been hearing for years, the project was born the following year, listen to your belly and it was boiling, let's say, when we wrote with Lidia Emma who I greet and who greets you all when we wrote the listening recipes on your belly. I wanted there to be something more specifically gastroenterological, oh sorry, gastroenterological with a C when they ask me "Are you a gastroenterologist?" No, I'm a Castroenterologist who goes and dismantles all this nonsense that causes discomfort or can worsen patients' diseases or can make them chronic because our medicine doesn't care about treatment and doesn't care about prevention.

[00:06:38]The important thing is to turn off a symptom. He has a headache, here's the pill.

[00:06:43]He has a stomach ache, here's the pill. Hey, if you fart all day, here's the pill. But when you say, as a free citizen, I would like to understand why—that is, I would like to understand why the headache, I would like to understand why the stomach ache— I would like to participate in the diagnosis process, in the treatment process, and build a relationship among peers.

[00:07:06]Is that clear? She is a professor, head physician, doctor, whatever she wants.

[00:07:11]But in my house, before being a head physician, a surgeon, a doctor, or a graduate, there is the man. Good morning, good evening. How are you? he seems polite to me, I mean we're not talking about he seems polite. When even this starts to be missing, in such a complicated profession where you have to take care of and are civilly, criminally, and ethically responsible for the health of a Christian, the idea that I would like to be involved begins to seem nice.

[00:07:47]talk to me, explain to me.

[00:07:50]Sorry, I'll stop later because it's a long answer.

[00:07:54]Now we all have in our cell phones, all of us, if you have a smartphone you have in your search engine an artificial intelligence that has been fed over the last few years with everything medical knowledge can possibly know.

[00:08:10]If you ask a question, artificial intelligence gives you the answer. If you know how to ask the question well, then I tell you, there's a free book that shows you how to ask questions to artificial intelligence, you can even get complex answers that no one ever answers. But why artificial intelligence yes and professional intelligence no? Because I can't have an open dialogue with a professional by saying, "Look, I read, no, on Facebook, I read literature that artificial intelligence gave me the link to, I opened it, I read it, I'd like to discuss this."

[00:08:46]If this is not possible, it means that we are subjected not to a health regime but to a health regime of slavery. slavery as Plato meant it when he said that there is the medicine of slaves and the medicine of the free man. The slave's medicine must quickly soothe the symptom because the slave, damn it, must return to work immediately. Who cares if you're sick. The medicine of free men instead seeks the cause, questions the... Plato writes this but Hippes continues it. Ask your relatives and friends, understand if your problem occurs in one season or another, in the morning or in the evening, what you drink or eat, explain it, explain the meaning of prescriptions, and perhaps even give a prescription that isn't even a pharmacological one.

[00:09:40]To everyone I meet who has trouble sleeping, do you know what my prescription is? 30 minutes before going to sleep, turn off any LCD screens, pick up a boring book, a boring novel, and help your eyes rest.

[00:09:54]It's not a pharmacological prescription, but it makes sense if we teach people that the darkness is no longer there and that our brain interprets this as light turned on like the sun and interrupts a series of hormones, interrupts a large group of hormones, a beautiful orchestra. Hi Riccardo. Hi mom.

[00:10:15]HI.

[00:10:15]HI.

[00:10:16]HI.

[00:10:17]I interrupt a series of hormones that, if interrupted, make us sleep badly, make us wake up with a swollen face and make us inflamed.

[00:10:25]What does it mean when someone disconnects?

[00:10:27]That is, yes, yes, yes. Okay.

[00:10:28]But if I ask, the rude answer might be, this is a patient's story. But who is the doctor? Leo, don't go on Google, don't read the leaflet.

[00:10:40]When you could, madam, read the leaflet, go to Google, let's take 5 minutes and discuss. If I can be helpful and if this nourishes your information and helps you feel better even without me, I win. She won.

[00:10:58]If someone obviously objects to this, I guess the question will then arise: why? What is the advantage of those who oppose this type of information?

[00:11:10]I'll make an interlude right away because I have to say, and this is my personal testimony, that lately I also have to say especially thanks to Mimmo, um I've met, I'm meeting doctors who finally have a sensitivity that, uh, we 're not used to. Here among us now is Raffaele Dalterio, who doesn't know what I'm about to say and whom I thank for being here, who is a doctor, let's say extraordinary, and who at Vivi la Conchiglia in 2024 said a phrase that particularly pleased me, and that is, he said when I visit people, I deal with a person on the other side and I grow together with him.

[00:12:02]As a doctor, I listen to him and we grow together, I hold his hand, we hug. Well, that was the gist of it, and I have to say that this medicine is one I like. There's no longer that disconnect, as Gabriele is also testifying, and this was my personal testimony, thanking that there are doctors like this, and truly, thank you, thank you, and I'll move on.

[00:12:31]in the introduction you have a prize pool if I answer well no the headphones the big ones answer well example.

[00:12:40]In the introduction, you refer to medicine as not being an exact science and to the level of complexity with which we view the world in order to best intervene on disorders. So I ask you, the doctor must also be an excellent psychologist to diagnose the best treatment for each individual in front of him. In 1948, the World Health Organization, the health branch of the WHO, made a declaration in which human health is not considered exclusively in the absence of physical disease, but refers to the biopsychosocial model.

[00:13:16]This presupposes, according to the biopsychosocial model, hygiene or health of thoughts, emotions, body and relationships, both relationships with the internal world and relationships with the external world. If I can ask a person a question about how many brothers and sisters they have, how they were born, whether they were breastfed, etc., and about any traumas they 've had, I can identify social, emotional, and work-related stressors and understand more about their problem.

[00:13:47]If I tell them this in a gentle way, without criticizing, without accusing, without playing the psychologist—because I'm not— maybe I'm passing on information that 's integrated into the other person's map and enriches it, right?

[00:14:00]If we only see the symptom, if you who are in this room are only a cardia, a pylorus, a bladder, the ankle and the rest, where is it?

[00:14:13]If we don't learn and return to this vision, which unfortunately is a bad term, the holistic vision because it makes you think of holistic massages, one thinks of something else, Alessandro, but holistic means the holos, therefore the person in the whole body and I have osteopath friends here in the audience besides Mimmo who know what I'm referring to because I don't look, I can't look at the colon, I don't look at the ribs and I don't look at the pelvis, I can't look at the pathologies. of women if I don't go and look at the stomach and colon pressing on the bladder. Add to this the level of emotions, thoughts and relationships. And I'll ask you a question in advance: relationships with the outside world, but relationships with the inside world? Because we are guests in our bodies.

[00:15:03]I am a guest in my own house too. My cats look at the photos when I come home and say, "Is that you?"

[00:15:09]and they do me a favor and let me in. I'm going to involve Mimmo in this because obviously it's another part of the medical and osteopathic aspect, right, Mimmo? And you who also treat, let's say, by touching the body, etc., how much does the interaction with your patient affect it, right? both for what he tells you and for what he does n't tell you. I mean, I'll go into even more detail, there are times when you, um, find pathologies, no, that the patient had not been aware of.

[00:15:50]The body is an open book for those who have known it for many years, so eh the word osteopath for many of you don't know what it is. One thinks of orthopedics, it has nothing to do with it and in truth it is called etiopathology, etiopathogenesis, but it is a very long discussion. So, and the answer is yes, and since I don't want to, let's say, steal Gabriele's time, absolutely yes. Every part of the body has its own experience, its own memory. The ascending coronet which is connected to the valve is connected to the relationship with the father. If the father did not love his daughter, the daughter will do unaite etc. etc. So we can and at the same time we will have pain in the right shoulder and therefore tennis elbow on the right.

[00:16:39]Look at that guy over there, he says, "I've never played tennis." But this is practically the inflammation of the apprentice because my relationship with my father has always been a failure. So it's a question of when and if we'd like to address it one day. I have been holding seminars for 30 years and among other things, I also thank Viviana and Leonardo, I am a guest at the resistant market on the fourth Sunday of every month where Gabriele was the guest of honor where he gave a wonderful presentation of his method and not only that, he filled the entire structure with his followers and everything else.

[00:17:27]Well, with so many followers, eh, that's his name, it's a worse follower, people who for whom I tell myself my speech is a very complex speech. As always, it's the second Thursday of every month, thanks to Alessandro Cassano, and we've carved out this space here by asking Marcello Ciccaglioni, who deserves a huge round of applause because he represents the history of the bookshop.

[00:17:58]A round of applause for Marcello because it really is a lot of stuff, an ugly word is a lot of history indeed. So as it is my institute and we always try to promote these things for 30 years we keep the conchiglia alive and Alessandro Cassano we say carries it forward. But stealing time from a character that we are lucky enough to have here, that is, you think, no, I've been living in Sicily for 30 years, every time going back is very difficult. We have it here. Take it, everyone. You have it, sorry, you can take a little piece, but then your human awareness as a doctor that is evident from the book you wrote, eh, made me think about what kind of relationships you generate, develop with your colleagues? That is, there are situations in which you find yourself compared to your colleagues who you see really belong to another world.

[00:19:08]Well, a bit of a complex question, I can tell you that I've been lucky enough to travel around Italy and meet interesting people who I call brothers, and then some people on Facebook say, "Are you Freemasons?" No, we are all children of Hippocrates and in France we write to each other with dear brother doctor letters. I'm lucky enough to surround myself only with people I enjoy being with. Anyone who wants to read, as you did this evening, is welcome, but then there are many others I don't know, with whom I've never had the opportunity to say maybe it's not even a pleasure to meet you.

[00:19:42]The world is diverse and as they say, relatives are snakes, there is always some rotten apple in the basket. I feel sorry for them. As a wellness enthusiast, I'm not a doctor, mind you, but I don't remember when I was, let's say, you have quite a few snarky questions. Yeah, let's warm up the room a bit first, okay? No Then, let's sing, a joke. I am a gynecologist. Oh, just kidding. Fabrizio, I love you, and you're one of the few in Italy I respect for the work you do.

[00:20:17]Professor Cerusico back there is one of the best gynecologists you have in Lazio. You have it back there, it's hidden and it does work that you don't realize because it teaches people how to improve fertility by changing their diet.

[00:20:38]I mean, he's always been considered crazy, but he's a fantastic crazy guy, he's efficient at what he does.

[00:20:46]If you go and look for Fabrizio Ceruzzi you'll see all the reviews and he did me the honor of being here with us tonight and I'm grateful to you.

[00:20:56]And so I go on and say that I don't remember anything said in my past, doctors who often and willingly talked about 'eh what do we do now?'

[00:21:08]He also has cats, or rather microbiota. Okay. Ah, but microputo is a trend, I didn't know that.

[00:21:13]Eh, fine. That's what I'm asking you. So, I ask you, but um, you talk about it as the main responsible for our psychophysical balance and can you tell us a little about it in a few words. Well, already 2500 years ago Hypocrates said that all diseases originate in the intestine.

[00:21:32]Today we know that internal medicine is entero, that is, entirely based on the intestine. I'll give you just three numbers. If we consider the length of the tube from the mouth to the anus, so 7-8 m of tube and we open it like a book, it has a surface area comparable to two tennis courts.

[00:21:53]Having a surface area the size of two tennis courts means that there is the greatest concentration of microorganisms on this surface, but on the inside there is obviously the greatest concentration of those who are our protectors, the immune system, the white blood cells.

[00:22:10]If you look at the tip of your finger or maybe the lips of the person you are talking to, there are places where we have 47 layers of skin.

[00:22:21]But between these microorganisms on these two tennis courts and the immune system below, what separates them is a single layer of cells, like the tiles in your house, that is, your floor tiles. So you realize that this is a precarious balance because we have to live and we have to eat. To be able to eat, we don't put our finger, say, on pasta, on meat and our finger absorbs it. We need a particular structure where food arrives close, close, close, is processed, is ingested. That's where they are. If our relationship with them is a balanced one, we are all happy because there is a symbiotic relationship. They eat my things, but they produce structures, substances that are the most powerful anti-inflammatories in our bodies, we produce them.

[00:23:15]But if these bacteria, microorganisms, viruses, parasites, candida, whatever you want, are anything but balanced, not only do they not produce the substances and leave us, I was about to say, with our ass up, they leave us with our backs exposed, but they activate the immune system over a large surface, two tennis courts, 70% of the immune system fighting a battle on a layer a thousand inches thick.

[00:23:47]And do you want this not to be the cause of all pathologies? Because if that layer gets perforated, who is who who is who Sicilian here by show of hands, when that when the layer gets perforated you get lacerations in the intestine.

[00:24:03]Excuse me. This means that information from the outside world, bits of bacteria, heavy metals, bits of protein, entering inside them, inside us and having the immune system already pissed off there, keeps it pissed off, worsening the situation and creating what everyone knows today, I hope, which is intestinal permeability.

[00:24:31]I add and then I shut up.

[00:24:33]Since 2016, we have known that all pathologies are based on the so-called interruption of communication between the gut and the brain, not the brain-gut between the gut and the brain, therefore anxiety and nervousness are secondary, not primary.

[00:24:51]However, what we have known scientifically since 2016 is not contextualized to three pathologies that are becoming extremely frequent: Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and dementia.

[00:25:05]Current literature recognizes that they originate in the gut, including the fibers, the fibers that then characterize Alzheimer's and Parkinson's in the brain, originate in the gut, not in the brain. I hope you take this message home with you, because when they tell you, "Ah, ma'am, it's Matte who 's telling me these things," it's compelling scientific literature. Me today, in the last 10 years.

[00:25:32]In your opinion, it is not important to go and study whether these microorganisms are friends or are causing inflammation.

[00:25:38]Absolutely. Certain. So, now when I was reading your book I had to, let's say, smile because at a certain point you refer to the knowledge of the universe, saying and we know the universe by about 4% and the same thing happens with regards to the knowledge of our body, more or less, more or less as a parameter.

[00:26:03]So, the ironic question I'm asking is, do we really have to have that much courage when we come to you or any other doctor and trust you, either out of desperation or out of courage, precisely, to say you can help us heal, right? Because we don't even know this 4%.

[00:26:24]That's why I mentioned this information, because all scientists who study the physics of the universe are aware that we see 4% of the 96% is dark matter and dark energy. This isn't something out of a Harry Potter book, I swear.

[00:26:44]So, I wanted to use this metaphor to express what we see in a person, which could be a headache, a stomach ache, diarrhoea, difficulty digesting food, knee pain, that's the 4%.

[00:27:00]But does anyone ever ask themselves, go and look for the remaining 96%, because if the 4% is the symptom, treating the symptom is very simple, give the painkiller, the antibiotic, okay?

[00:27:14]But the remaining 96% that we professionals should be involved in, and many do it, steopaths, all professionals already do it, we should be committed to looking at what's underneath, what's under this tip of the iceberg, what causes these problems, because otherwise our work is partial.

[00:27:33]I mean, if I've ever had a friend slip and break their arm, it's clear that breaking an arm or a leg is incredibly painful, and the first thing a doctor should do is try to ease the pain. It might even be more powerful than performing physical acts. Yes, but this guy who has no pain goes home with his arm swaying and keeps taking painkillers until he becomes addicted. He has side effects from using painkillers.

[00:28:01]for example with morphine she becomes fatally constipated and that arm will never work again. It wouldn't be possible, while we work on this Christian's pain, to call 911 and take him to the hospital and have an X-ray and, if necessary, put a brace on him.

[00:28:21]Take this example and carry it with you always. He says there's a problem here, there's the antibiotic. Yes, okay, but then there's the antibiotic, it's such a powerful antibiotic that you have to take it three times a day for 10 days, then you wait a week and take it again. Then you take it again three times a day for 10 days a month, every month, which is very powerful. This antibiotic is the best-selling antibiotic in the world.

[00:28:46]Great, I ca n't name the name because there will be a lawyer from the pharmaceutical company. I was kidding, huh? lawyer.

[00:28:55]Um, I was really intrigued at a certain point in the book where you talk about hypothesizing. This is what he was saying 2,500 years ago, precisely, when he said that our health depends on four bodily substances: blood, phlegm, yellow bile and black bile.

[00:29:16]The so-called doctrine of humors. Can you tell us about it? That is, in two words and then they tell us that we are anti-Semitic, eh, because yellow, black, no.

[00:29:29]It's so hard, is n't it? And because it is barely mentioned.

[00:29:32]I refer to that because then it is from Harvey in 1600 that he dismantles the old medicine, he creates the new medicine because he discovers that the heart is the pump.

[00:29:44]Sorry if I used the word pump because it could be misunderstood. And together with him, with Marve, comes René Descartes, and René Descartes destroys the world and makes it as we are today by venerating what is reductionism. So my reference goes directly to Descartes, for reductionism the individual organs exist.

[00:30:06]So I ask you by a show of hands: can you imagine the shape of a heart? Raise your hand. Very good, very good, very good. Especially women. Can you imagine the shape of two lungs?

[00:30:19]Can you imagine the shape of, say, the brain?

[00:30:23]Can you imagine the shape of the immune system, the diffuse neuroendocrine system, the microbiome?

[00:30:32]So for some who still live in reductionism they are students of Freud personally, very young. This is why some things are trendy and they don't want to talk about them because they can't imagine it, because they can't see it within the system. The system is brain, lung, kidney, heart, uterus, bladder, vagina, bones, muscles, microbiota, immune system. How do you take a person and say, well, today let's not deal with the immune system, put it over there, let's not deal with the microbiome because it's a fad, put it over there, let's not deal with the brain, let's forget it because then we'll bring out the politicians and there will be someone I say hello to. I love you. Thank you.

[00:31:21]So the mistake that is still made today is that we are in another phase of medicine, that is, Freud's medicine ended in the 80s with the discovery of the helicobacter pylori.

[00:31:35]That world no longer exists, nervous gastritis no longer exists, nervous colitis no longer exists, except in Freido's students, obviously, because there is either a bacterial reason or a hormonal reason or an immunological reason or hormonal, immunological and bacterial.

[00:31:56]It's what we call anxiety and stress from the gut nervous system. The enteric nervous system reaches the vagus nerve, or ITO for our osteopathic friends, directly from the vagus nerve to the brain and from the brain directly to the vagus nerve, directly physically touching the cells of our immune system, the mast cell, the stamina producer that many of you and those who are allergic to it know.

[00:32:25]How do you dismiss everything by saying it's anxiety, it's stress. If I write correctly in the book, that is the answer to the refuge. When you don't know what to say, it's anxiety. Doctor, but I have a pain in my shoulder. It's anxiety. What does it mean? Now I ask you the question.

[00:32:42]No, I read the book so I know what you're referring to.

[00:32:47]I forgot the microphone and so I think I have to say that I was talking about it with my son today in the car.

[00:32:55]And I was telling him precisely this aspect that you touched on a moment ago. I touched it, yes. I didn't notice, sorry.

[00:33:03]No, absolutely because you intrigued me with the fact that you said that, well, I've always thought, even because of the phrases, as you were saying, of doctors in the past, who said that, um, let's say, stress, nervous tension, anxiety, uh, worries brought, um, let's say, unpleasant effects on the gastrointestinal tract, right?

[00:33:28]exotic theories.

[00:33:28]Here you are. And so now reading you made me think a lot about what you did when these two these two guys rediscovered the ECobatter in '83-84.

[00:33:40]I say rediscovered because we have known about ECobatter since 1874, 100 years before, when they rediscovered it for 3 years they thought they were crazy. I was telling you, the stomach is sterile because there is acid, so it is impossible for there to be bacteria. They managed to demonstrate this using a particular culture medium and then a whole series of independent researchers demonstrated it and they demonstrated that taking an antibiotic made gastritis disappear. So the Nobel committee that awarded him the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2005 didn't say, "We're giving you the Nobel Prize because you discovered this bacterium." They write, you have changed the paradigm of medicine because we thought that medicine and witch hazel were linked to anxiety and stress and instead we discovered that it is a gastric infection and that it can be cured with a course of antibiotics. It's not that I wrote it, I swear, this is the Nobel committee. Sure, sure.

[00:34:37]And in the meantime, at this point, halfway through the evening, I'm asking if there's anyone who actually wants to have surgery, right? Here, good.

[00:34:46]You can ask some questions etc., if you want to prepare them too. In the meantime I'll move on to the other question, but we want to hear the dirty ones.

[00:34:56]Um, so in the book you refer to the importance of nutrition and I ask you: can a careful diet cure pathologies?

[00:35:10]Mmh, I'm going to extend the question a bit because a few days ago I saw on social media, let's say, the testimony of a middle-aged person who was praising a detox diet he had done thanks to his colleague and who had cured him of the rheumatoid arthritis he had been suffering from for years and years and he thanked him profusely because he had solved a problem in his life. So, I ask you how important treatment through healthy eating actually is. Food is both the cause of pathology and the cure for pathology, but we must consider—yes, we must—it is clear that there are global indications based on kilocalories that are irrelevant because neither our bacteria nor our insulin think in terms of kilocalories. I'm sorry if there's still anyone, let's say, fond of Freud and kilocalories, I'm sorry.

[00:36:20]Anything that makes bacteria bad is bad for us. Anything that creates holes in the intestines is bad for us.

[00:36:30]In 1990, Professor Alessio Fasano, a world-renowned expert on celiac disease, honored me, Livia, by writing the preface to Listen to Your Belly. Truly an honor. In the 90s they discovered a molecule called zonulin. If you ask your family doctor he will tell you that it is not in the database, then he will tell you it does not exist. Okay, I might say that. What was zonurina? They were trying to understand what caused celiac disease and discovered this protein.

[00:37:02]In the 1990s, since celiac disease is an autoimmune disease, in the 1990s there were two sufficient and necessary conditions for an autoimmune disease to occur.

[00:37:14]Genetic predisposition is exposure to an environmental antigen, which in this case was gluten.

[00:37:22]with the studies they did afterwards and particularly starting from 2013, obviously they made a lot of money with the foundation, so many studies that were going on, they began to follow a lot of children with the genetic predisposition exposed to, you know what? A shitload of them didn't develop celiac disease, some developed celiac disease at a few years old, some developed celiac disease at 30, 40, 50 years old and they didn't understand why until they started looking at that layer I was telling you about. Now two tennis courts and they discovered that the presence or absence of certain bacteria and the presence or absence of certain anti-inflammatory structures produced by the bacteria made a difference. So today, in 2026, but already years ago, the sufficient and necessary conditions to generate an autoimmune disease are five: genetic predisposition, contact with the trigger, hyperbelligerence of the immune system, says angry immune system, intestinal permeability and intestinal dysbiosis. So the last three are the ones most directly connected to a topic called epigenetics. that is, those situations and information that tell DNA to activate or remain deactivated. I sometimes explain to patients that epigenetics is a bit like DNA was this book and I put drops of glue between the pages, the book remains the same—that is, it's printed, the words are there, but you can't open the pages.

[00:39:06]Certain.

[00:39:07]This is why if I know what my patient's pathology is, some of the things I'm telling you are measurable in the lab down the street.

[00:39:15]Fecal zonurin, blood zonurin, no, you can find it, that is, they make it under your house.

[00:39:22]If I know that condition exists, if there is intestinal permeability, Fasano writes Fasano in 2020. There are two most powerful triggers of intestinal leakage. I have a small amount of bacteria, what in the book I call sibo, actually I call it bacterial overgrowth, he calls it a small amount of bacteria and gluten.

[00:39:45]These are the two things that have been studied, they are the most powerful triggers to unleash the urinary zonule and therefore permeability and therefore keep an autoimmune disease active. Yes. But does that mean we all have to eliminate wheat, we all have to eat gluten? To be fair, gluten comes from gluten which means glue.

[00:40:10]So we have a problem in that we can't digest gluten and our entire system isn't so happy with things it can't digest, but you're healthy, you play sports, you're well, you sleep, that's your problem, but if you're sick it's intestinal perturbation, it 's dysbiosis. The first thing to suspect is a proinflammatory trigger, a trigger that modifies the microbiota. Another thing that modifies the microbiota will surprise you, maybe you'll already take this one home with you. None of us eats just for ourselves when we eat.

[00:40:48]When I eat and put something in my mouth, the thing I put in my mouth touches the bacteria on my lips, the bacteria on my tongue, the bacteria that perforate my throat, the bacteria in my esophagus, the bacteria that live in my stomach, the bacteria that live in my duodenum. That is, between me and my body there are them and they are not stupid, they live by eating the things we eat and therefore what we eat decides and determines who lives and who dies, who is too present and who is not present enough. And if we eat a diet based on refined flour, we are foolish. I was about to say, idiots, we are fools because all scientific studies have shown that refined flour is devoid of any nutritional properties.

[00:41:40]I mean, I'm not saying it's wrong because it contains gluten and is devoid of any nutritional properties.

[00:41:46]So what are you giving him and who are you raising with that stuff?

[00:41:52]We should ask ourselves this question every time we're in the mood for what I ate. But what did I feed?

[00:42:00]Because just asking the question means being one step away from understanding that we are not alone, that we are aliens, we are guests of this body, because certain numbers I put in the book are extraordinary, but they make you worry, they make you think. They are 10 times more numerous than our cells, and have a genetic heritage that is 150 times greater than ours. The worst thing is that the publisher actually wanted to make a box about mitochondria. The mitochondria inside your cells are not yours, they have their own DNA. Yes, they are cyanobacteria, they don't have our moons, they don't have our DNA, they have mom's DNA and so if we consider that we are guests, the question you asked me makes more sense. Who are we feeding?

[00:42:53]Who are we favoring when we eat?

[00:42:59]I, well, for several years now, having worked for at least 43 years, I've been in an existential crisis, not because of what Gabriele says, that is, if all this happens because we nourish others, if all this happens because we nourish others who they are, but who we are, that is, the individual himself for what his evolution is, for what his entire philosophy is, his entire history. I'm 73 years old now, and as you know, more than 200, one might say more than 200,000 people have passed through my institutions, with a team of over 60 specialists, including doctors, researchers, neurologists, and others. At present, rather than having clear ideas, I'm increasingly confused about what the microbiota is, where it comes from, what supplements to add, and what bacterial flora, by adding them, will only further damage that layer.

[00:44:19]subtle thing that Gabriele was referring to and many other things, that is, seeing how what is called anxiety, but in some way it is the psychoneuroemotional behavior of an individual and so on, all this has led me to further reflections and further doubts that I want to pass on to Gabriele, are you right Gabri? I asked a question, sorry, I didn't hear that they are really the problems, I also follow philosophical, spiritual paths and so on, they are problems that more than anything else lead me to reflect on what happens in there and what are the conditionings of a not only neurological, but psycho-neuroendocrine- immunological order in a much more complex sphere. It was a question.

[00:45:22]Yes, I missed it. Tell me again.

[00:45:27]Since I'm further concerned about this, Ah, there are two of us. This library is bigger than mine, but I'm a city bed sp more further ahead more all this idiotic speech instead of calling the ideas that come a huge path there is too much there we were the first in our congresses of vivi la conchiglia to present this.

[00:45:57]But invite me to the next Vivira with Assolutamente sì.

[00:46:02]Mammuzza.

[00:46:03]Yes, Mammuzza. But I'm saying this because it's the real problem. You go and buy which one, which relative, what the money and then yes, but this one before that other one, right? This before lunch, actually no, this loa jumping really huge confusion and this thing then is the problem that I touch on every day because when we talk about it we talk, right? Tonight they applaud us, we are alone. Giovanni, the patient, is bloated, tired, depressed, and has a whole host of problems. I'm increasingly confused about this, and I think you are too.

[00:46:44]I thought I was doing something that wasn't planned. I would like to show you what generates anxiety. Obviously we stay dressed, eh no, but I need help from the public, I need someone who takes their cell phone and Googles someone who maybe has it underneath. Okay. And I'm asking you as I speak, if you can Google whether magnesium deficiency affects mood and then I'll ask you to read everything that comes up.

[00:47:17]We have carried forward, perhaps we were the first with the IDM starting from 2019, the one with the poop scheme. No, it's not like the political election posters, but more or less it goes from goat poop which we call Bristol 1 on the Bristol scale up to rice water which we call Bristol 7. In the middle, Bristol 4 is the perfect poop, it's smooth, not dirty, it's a perfect cylinder. When we move from the perfect, clean cylinder to the moist, and from the moist to the rice water, we are losing three things: electrolytes, i.e., mineral salts; B vitamins, which are water-soluble; and vitamin C.

[00:48:05]Please ask your artificial intelligence if magnesium deficiency affects your mood, and it will tell you anxiety, agitation, depression, disorientation, and brain fog. These are the mild symptoms. When you ask what the serious symptoms of magnesium deficiency are, depression and osteoporosis also come up.

[00:48:32]There is a vitamin C deficiency depression, so scurvy causes depression. There is a type of vitamin B12 deficiency depression, so before accusing a person of having a brain problem, couldn't we ask them how they poop, how they go to the toilet?

[00:48:51]Normal response. What does normal mean?

[00:48:54]But why do we sometimes not even look at it? We are polite, modest, we don't look at it.

[00:49:01]But if I know that my stools are frequently soft or very soft because I eat refined [ __ ] that feeds the bacteria that give me diarrhea, you see there you are generating anxiety, agitation, depression, etc., not because there is a brain problem, but because the nervous system runs on electricity. How do these light bulbs work? They have two wires, one goes, the other comes, one from the positive, the other from the negative. Imagine an immune system cell as a long light bulb.

[00:49:39]The positive and negative s are those that allow for something that doctors call electrophysiology, nervous system and muscle.

[00:49:51]The heart, for example, is a muscle and has its own nervous system. This means that when we have a problem with mineral salts, in Chinese medicine it would be said that the small intestine is the twin of the heart. Because if the small intestine no longer absorbs and leaks, the heart suffers and arrhythmias, tachycardia, and extrasystoles begin. Please, you can find all this on Google by asking closed questions like yes, no, you don't have to tell Google what the cure is for cancer, you have to say "But is it true that this thing causes problems of this kind?" Then Google will tell you yes or no and provide you with the literature if each of you wants to delve deeper. So when patients come to me they say, ah, but I was there the other day, why did this happen to me? This is the heart, the cardiac, how do you [ __ ]? I don't tell him, I'll just say it like this, but it's clear that I have a dual screen that I bought on Amazon with a dual screen and when I want to show him this thing he says, "Look, let's play a game, let's ask the artificial intelligence." I ask him the question in front of him, the artificial intelligence answers and the patient stays like that. And you are I am doing two things. I am planting a seed and teaching a way to ask the right questions and get the right answers when those answers don't come from a human being.

[00:51:19]We have artificial intelligence, it's breaking our balls everywhere now, there's artificial intelligence everywhere, but we could also decide not to simply suffer it, but to exploit it at zero cost. And besides, they're spying on us there, aren't they?

[00:51:33]Whatever movement we do from home, right? from the telephone door to when we are in part, when we enter the site. So, let's make use of this stuff a little, instead of just being passive and at zero cost. And please, go home and ask these questions about magnesium, B vitamins, and vitamin C, so at least you don't make me look like a crazy person, because the editor asked for a whole chapter about it, but because you write a whole chapter about what proton bomb inhibitors do in terms of magnesium absorption deficiency, iron absorption deficiency, calcium absorption deficiency, potassium absorption deficiency, zinc absorption deficiency, strontium absorption deficiency.

[00:52:13]struntium, you can't say that, sorry, because then they tell us that we have it in for politicians and B12 deficiency, that is, all that stuff. What if someone with osteoporosis takes their calcium tablets and has a protein pump inhibitor? Nothing. Doctor, I have an anemia problem, right? The Department of Health website states that if you take metformin you are at risk of P1 deficiency. Be careful if you get anemia.

[00:52:42]How does it work in Italy? There is anemia seen in proctology, yes.

[00:52:48]Gastroscopy, colonoscopy, iron supplement.

[00:52:52]This is the sequence, iron supplement which obviously has no deaf. And this is what Gabriele was telling me, but why do you have to write a whole chapter about it? said because there are the SIG guidelines and the SIMG guidelines and the Igo guidelines that say it, but do people know that there are guidelines from the Italian scientific society that put this thing in writing or do you think that taking a drug for life because they tell you "Oh, Alessandro, I recommend this sachet for life, I recommend this tablet for life". Sometimes they even tell you this supposed life.

[00:53:29]Thinking that this thing has no long-term side effects and making a huge misunderstanding, that is, a huge nonsense, when you see an iron deficiency and a hemoglobin deficiency you don't realize that the drug and you think it's a new disease and therefore you fill the patient with anxiety and say to him "I don't know, it could be a tumor, it could be this, it could be that".

[00:53:58]But not the drug, in fact, let it be known, vitamin B12 causes cancer, vitamin C causes kidney stones, vitamin D causes the liver to explode, but the drugs have zero side effects. Cortisone has no side effects, proton pump inhibitors have no side effects, antibiotics, 120 antibiotics in 10 days have side effects, but we are Mr. Lemma.

[00:54:25]These are the answers that patients bring me and I see 8 of them a day, 5 days a week for years and I'm fed up with being the only one who says these things and above all I've pissed off hundreds or thousands of people who follow me. So this information needs to reach you, it needs to be your antivirus.

[00:54:48]Sorry, but you can't even say virus anymore because that's also vulgar.

[00:54:53]They must be your way of protecting yourselves from a population of exceptional, wonderful people, graduated with top honors, but who are all subjected to slavery by a national health system that has failed and is just waiting for these doctors to retire and replace them with either robots or artificial intelligence. This is the project. I know you're taking me for granted. This is the project.

[00:55:24]So let's protect Yes, but let's keep a little humanity, right? That is, he comes here to you, we are hugging each other, saying why, because artificial intelligence can't hug you and the robot can't hug you.

[00:55:37]And so this is my will, let's say, until someone decides that they'll make me end up like Falcone, and it's to remember that we are human beings and that our best revolution is to remain human within a world that is becoming inhuman.

[00:55:55]Thank you.

[00:56:05]Well, Gabriele, while you were talking, something came to mind that I wanted to ask you because it comes to mind now when I'm talking about vitamin C and magnesium. As a layman, I know that if we take vitamin C supplements, even in large quantities, we don't risk anything because we then excrete it with PP.

[00:56:31]Well, tell me later if it's true. Oh, and the same thing also happens with magnesium, I mean, we can do this thing, it also happens, excuse me, with what the what's it called? With that first antibiotic in history.

[00:56:45]You know that in the beginning, during World War II, penicillin was in such short supply that patients' lines were filtered to recycle it.

[00:56:56]Ah, yes, yes. Okay. So vitamin C obviously goes away with the UIR, but the same B12 for those who are undergoing therapy with vitamin B12 for example with injections yes the urine becomes fluorescent. If anyone tells you that B12 causes cancer, you should ask, "But which organ concentrates B12?" The organ that concentrates B12 is urine.

[00:57:23]Then, regarding vitamin C, it would be nice to say that we should take small amounts of vitamin C constantly because then there is also a peak in the blood, that is, the so-called buffered vitamin C that we prescribe by the kilo when there is oxidative stress and we make people take even a little, half a gram, but we make them take it constantly.

[00:57:43]The same thing also because magnesium, you're worth it. Now I'll tell you about magnesium. There is a wonderful scientific work from the 80s that compares two groups of students with the flu. One group of students is given 1 or 2 g of vitamin C a day, the others are given 8 g, 1 g every hour, I don't remember if for 2 days or 3 days, and then they are given 1 g of vitamin C three times a day. Well, those who took 1 gmo of vitamin C every hour reduced their fever symptoms by 80%.

[00:58:15]You have the flu, you take a tablet, a serbagnette, you take a vitamin C tablet for prevention, a seragnette. Linus Poling spoke of at least 4 g per day for healthy people.

[00:58:28]But is it true that vitamin C causes kidney stones? Why the proton pump inhibitor? No, because I salted them with too much tomato, and not with calcium supplements. They won't have told you that calcium supplements cause kidney stones. When a woman with osteoporosis comes to me, the first thing I take away and prescribe is a calcium supplement. It's the first.

[00:58:51]Do you want to absorb calcium?

[00:58:53]Fried ficeri, that is, fried fish, but you have to take huge quantities of magnesium, because it's not the calcium that goes in.

[00:59:01]Sorry because I have to say this.

[00:59:06]When I studied medicine, consider that I'm from Palermo, that is, the sea is right behind my house. If they had told me "There's no football, give me football, there's no iron, give me iron". Damn, I could have saved myself a year and a half of lessons. Biochemistry 1, biochemistry 2, pharmacology. That is, it would have been enough to say that we absorb calcium and iron by the power of the Holy Spirit and physiology is of no use. So, if someone is lacking calcium, you prescribe calcium; if someone is lacking iron, you prescribe iron. In my opinion, one of those who threw it away on a nice sunny day and went to the beach. But it is not possible to hear these things in 2026. How could I not hear them in 2024, in 2019, in 2018? That is, what physiology is needed? What's the point of 6 years of medicine, Fabrizio?

[00:59:56]If we have to transform ourselves into robots that prescribe according to protocol, excuse me, give me a degree with a 6-week course and I'll become a specialist in prescribing, why do I have to do 6 years of medicine and five of surgery or five of gynecology to then prescribe protocols? So, we wasted 10 years too much, not one and a half. This is not this, this is not medicine and these are not humans because the same prescription can be made by artificial intelligence or computers.

[01:00:28]Yes, I imagine the ATM, you get there, put your finger, it takes a drop of blood, processes it and then gives you the receipt. No, it doesn't say three pater had and glory, but it says Yes, yes. 40 mg of sadine, 20 mg of ezetimipbe and three suppositories. What is it for?

[01:00:47]I mean, let's close down medicine, medical school, it's no longer of any use to anyone. Excuse me for the outburst because I see many friends in the audience and I feel at home. I try not to swear, but it really does take a lot of courage.

[01:01:05]Magnesium, magnesium.

[01:01:08]I was struck by lightning on the road to Damascus, I was in Sardinia taking a course. We were teachers with Livia, actually of two courses and then we did an evening at the Sports Hall in Cagliari. At the sports hall, questions were opened, a girl from the audience stood up and said, "Oh, I have a problem," and told us her entire medical history.

[01:01:30]I say we're in front of 100 people, stop, I'll stand outside here as soon as we finish and tell me, I mean these are private things, not in public and he tells me all this stuff, etc. etc. By the way, he accompanied us to the hotel, it was one in the morning, I said, "Do one thing, send me the emergency room reports." I look at these emergency room reports, everything was perfect. Too bad the potassium was a little low, the calcium was a little low, the chloride was a little low. I said this for me is a magnesium problem. and start searching with artificial intelligence 2021-2022 and a scientific paper written by cardiologists from 2018 comes out called Subclinical Pagnesium Deficiency, a public health crisis and a major cause of fatal cardiovascular disease.

[01:02:20]He said to the face written by cardiologists. What do cardiologists say?

[01:02:26]Since it's subclinical, you can't see it in the blood, you can't see it in the blood, so no one measures magnesium and if they measure it, everything is normal.

[01:02:36]But I learned the signs by heart, I learned to ask people for the signs, and I learned them by heart. And my vision of therapy has changed because before there was a period when I did the Coimbra protocol and I gave people 40-60,000 units of vitamin D when their parathyroid hormone levels were high, when there was osteoporosis, but sometimes the parathyroid hormone didn't move.

[01:03:01]I'm talking about many years ago, more hair and more patience, and I'm reading because I'm still a student, I haven't really graduated yet, I'm still a student and I read about the causes of severe magnesium deficiency, osteoporosis, and parathyroid hormone resistance, as well as magnesium deficiency, which makes vitamin C not work, and it doesn't make vitamin D work, and it makes you intolerant to histamine.

[01:03:36]Then I'll explain this to anyone who wants it.

[01:03:40]And my way has changed. I no longer give 100,000 units of vitamin D. Hey, hello Valè. Two G, 4,000 units of vitamin D.

[01:03:48]The right magnesium and vitamin D shoots up, parathyroid hormone drops, I add K2 and osteocalcin increases and I bring calcium to the bone with three vitamins. If I tell you how much they cost, you'll laugh.

[01:04:06]two drops of vitamin D, the one I prescribe, the only one in Italy, I can tell you, or AD3 plus, the only one in Italy with two drops that lasts 10 months, it will cost €26, it lasts 10 months, but it is the best product in Italy, magnesium, I look for bisglycinate, olea D3 Plus, magnesium, I look for bislicinate because it is one of the best in terms of absorption and bislicinate should be taken like eutilox on an empty stomach, 20 or 30 minutes before a meal, not at the end of the meal and there is K2, they drag it to me, that is, K2 I think there is no cheaper vitamin. I don't know if my friend Fabrizio Marrone is here, but I think he's one of the best people from a professional point of view, let's say, and he's a wonderful pharmacist. He sells a pack of 300 tablets of K2, 200 micrograms 300 tablets, €20. Yes, I mean, it's not that we need to go to the NAS or spend a shitload of money, but we have to understand that sometimes a little goes a long way. Of course, it doesn't take much because it's not that I lack calcium and absorb calcium or that I lack iron and absorb iron. None of you, including me, can absorb iron and incorporate it without labyrinths and without copper.

[01:05:27]Don't use copper, you take kilos of iron and it stays there. And it 's copper because, I mean, why aren't these things talked about anymore? Why don't we hold conferences open to the public where one might not answer the audience's questions, but one might intercept things, give information that will help you from tomorrow onwards and make you curious, move you to go and find out whether Dr. Prinz actually told nonsense or whether these things are real. Hmm.

[01:06:04]And when someone is available to compare, beautiful, when they tell you "Madam, what kind of doctor I am" and they tell them "Don't go on Google". You already understood. Have you understood yet?

[01:06:15]I need to explain this to you, right?

[01:06:19]So, since we're among friends, is there a glass of wine?

[01:06:24]Eh, maybe yes.

[01:06:26]No, it's water. The water goes into the shoulders.

[01:06:29]I was hoping we weren't playing a game and I'll play the patient.

[01:06:32]So, 30 years ago I chose not to eat meat anymore, I made, I said, an independent choice and the same thing was the one who even kept a glass of milk next to his bedside table in the evening. I'll stop that too.

[01:06:50]Um and so over time I have eaten the Mediterranean diet, so to speak, without meat, without What is the Mediterranean diet?

[01:06:58]Eh, very good. This was also the reason for the question, but I'll go further for a moment. The thing that changed my life was once an intuition I had that I later saw reflected in getting up in the morning and drinking half a glass of still water, eh normal, and half a squeezed lemon and half a teaspoon of honey.

[01:07:29]My metabolism has changed, I mean, I used to go at 2 miles an hour in the morning, now I'm not doing a speedster, but hey, I go, let's say, like how come I went.

[01:07:42]What's inside the lemon?

[01:07:44]Uh, citric acid and then C and then salt and sea water.

[01:07:55]Who among you has ever heard of Quinton Water?

[01:08:00]Sea water.

[01:08:03]I teach all the women who come, all very good, warm water with squeezed lemon in the morning. I said but it 's picca squeezed lemon. Do you know what I teach? Ginger decoction is low in nickel. it is a detoxifier, an alkalizer, a prokinetic. For some, at certain concentrations it is an anti-parasite. I make it with a little lemon peel and four bay leaves the night before, 20 or 30 g of ginger in 1 l of water. Boil for 5 minutes, turn it off, and cover it until the next morning. Then you can also add 1 kg of lemons, but it's ginger decoction.

[01:08:43]You go and look for what they are.

[01:08:46]Not powdered ginger, not the ginger you buy as a spice, because that has been ground and is with a transparent glass that the first thing the sun does is oxidize it. So what you buy for spices may be good, but it has zero pharmacological properties. Instead, what you buy in your supermarket, 20 or 30 g, try it, especially people who have constipation problems or problems who have dyspnea because it is a pro-kinetic.

[01:09:19]But I only have to take the cup in the morning. Start with the cup in the morning and put in it either a vial of quinton water or the I buy quinton water on su giardino de sulpetto on macrolibrarsi on Amazon because a 1 l bottle costs €16-17. At the pharmacy, 300 ml costs you 40. So I am, let's say, they tell me Amazon sucks, but in the meantime, I use the contents of a cup of coffee put inside the ginger decoction. It is the most powerful, the most balanced of the hydrosaline supplements and then 1 kg of lemon, if you want, Sicilian, please, not from Kenya, Chile etc. with the peel is not very delicious. And when they tell me, "Doctor, I don't know where to find a good lemon," and I say, "Buy a little tree down the street from the nursery with four or six lemons. At least you're sure they haven't sprayed that [ __ ] on it?" Because when we eat apples and pears and peaches and bananas, and you don't know what they put in them, and you don't know that this stuff, some of these substances in grapes become organic, it's not in the peel, it's in the grapes.

[01:10:35]But they'll tell us that we have to eat this is the Mediterranean diet, five portions of fruit and vegetables. Then we have a big belly.

[01:10:41]Sure.

[01:10:42]But when is a big belly okay? It's just that this big belly pushes blood pressure up and pushes it down, usually even higher, and it's the main cause of gastroesophageal reflux. Oh God, if only there was someone honest enough to say, "Get rid of this [ __ ]." There are some, they tell you, "Get rid of the onions, tomatoes, etc." Fermentable foods like wheat, barley, spelt, and rye flour are never excluded during the patient's recovery period.

[01:11:19]Yet all those flours used to make bread are fermentable, right? I 'm sure that during the pandemic, many of you will have been on MasterChef and that was it. Then there was no yeast left either. But that yeast that eats the fermentable fibers of wheat makes it rise. Yeast, more or less, each of us has one in our bellies, and not just flour, but the fibers of artichokes, onions, garlic, mushrooms, broccoli, peaches, and apples leaven.

[01:11:58]So even a minimal amount of awareness is essential. I have to believe that a Mediterranean diet exists because I'm convinced I'm eating well, or I try to listen to my part and get help to understand what makes me feel good.

[01:12:30]Of course.

[01:12:33]A minimal amount of awareness is an invitation. The invitation is that let's all reclaim the ability to take care of our health ourselves as much as we can, rather than always delegating it to others.

[01:13:57]fundamentally.

[01:14:04]Our intestines and we allow it to do what it should do, which is the worst meal, the worst meal where we overeat, is in the evening. But since we're slaves, from 4:00 in the morning, there's a friend who accompanied me who gets up at 4:00 to go to work until the evening. When I get home and say, "Ah, space." It's the evening. When the sun goes down, if there weren't artificial light, our brain would already change its metabolic setup and say, well, let's go to sleep, and while I should go to sleep and help my body repair itself, and this is the nighttime phase, a repair.

[01:14:59]What do I eat? Everything I didn't eat during the day and with a full stomach, so while I'm still digesting, I lie on the sofa or in bed, etc. We think this has no effect on quality. You do it once, you do it twice.

[01:15:16]Of course.

[01:15:17]The daily intake is a bit complicated, excluding that on Saturday night, which is Saturday night, there's pizza, so We leave the house before we decide to go get pizza, an hour passes.

[01:15:29]We arrive at the pizzeria at 9:00 and we're there waiting. They seat us at the table at 10:30.

[01:15:39]We order at 11:00; if I screw you, the pizza will arrive at 12:30. Do you know what I mean? And then what do you do? You don't have a beer, you don't have 6 kg of French fries with bread? Fried with what? I'm not even talking about bread, by the time the pizza arrives, you're already there with the tent, you can put it up.

[01:16:00]The literature shows, and great doctors, unfortunately not Italian, also show, that fatty liver disease and type 2 diabetes respond divinely to fasting and respond divinely when you remove all the insulin stimuli. It has nothing to do with kilocalories, it has to do with insulin.

[01:16:24]Insulin is unfortunately—I translated a book by a great scientist, Dr. Johnson, an American who studied it for 25 years.

[01:16:33]Insulin needs fat. Insulin doesn't need fat. Dead, it needs fat. This means that when, by some stroke of luck, I manage to find that sugar group that can fuel me, insulin acts as a watchdog for my brain to use up my reserves too.

[01:16:50]Liver, do you want some sugar?

[01:16:53]It says, I'm not okay, I even have my reserves, I'll throw it away, I'll put it aside.

[01:17:02]Kilograms, LDL cholesterol, lipids, fat.

[01:17:13]But since insulin is needed to be alive, it needs grams, there's no way it'll give up that fat, and sometimes in calorie-based diets you should ask yourself if you're losing fat or muscle, as the most recent scientific reports show.

[01:17:48]Obviously, they're not funded by the pharmaceutical companies that make the famous injection that helps you lose weight, let's name names.

[01:17:56]Too bad that the side effect is that if it makes you lose lean mass, not going to the gym is a problem, not eating protein, whatever the source is, it's a problem.

[01:18:07]You go on a calorie-based diet and who cares, you can say. Yes.

[01:18:13]So be careful, we do these things. But badly, doctor, they told me.

[01:18:19]They said that ketogenic diet is very harmful, that it can't be done for life.

[01:18:24]Doctor, I have multiple sclerosis, but you can do ketogenic diet. They told me it's dangerous. Wait.

[01:18:34]Chinese artificial intelligence is wonderful, it steals your data, it's free, but there's literature that ketogenic diet has a positive effect on multiple sclerosis. Yes, I have scientific reports from the last three years with meta-analyses. It's not that Dr. Prinzzi says so, it's written in the literature.

[01:19:03]But why are we afraid of fasting? And why are we afraid of ketogenic diet?

[01:19:13]Who's afraid?

[01:19:23]Who's afraid of doing ketogenic diet?

[01:19:29]Right, Fabrizio, that man there, the one thinking, my colleague, my brother, he, this one, Ja.

[01:20:51]Danni wrote three books about it. He takes patients to the right.

[01:21:15]To be more healthy even in terrible situations, doing this type of diet, not the Mediterranean one.

[01:21:51]Then, since we're in a biopsychosocial world, physical activity.

[01:22:20]Why not? We have to dissolve that sugar.

[01:22:32]Some time outside the house. I I love him, he's a person I live with, but once in a while, an hour a day, two hours a day, I want to know my own business and do something else.

[01:26:29]Well, that's how it is, but I'm not, let's say, an expert on the Mozzi diet or the blood type diet.

[01:26:47]When someone comes to me and says, " My life has changed since I started doing the blood type diet."

[01:26:51]I say, well, don't change, you don't change a winning team. I don't want to be dogmatic or rigid. If this thing works for you, you've got the rhythm and it helps you. Damn, keep going. I 'm not, however, and I'm sorry because maybe there are some of you, I don't agree that an omnivorous animal like humans makes a total choice of veganism or vegetarianism, convinced that that's our diet.

[01:27:37]We are mixed, we have teeth that are a bit frugivorous, a bit verbivorous, a bit semivorous, and a bit carnivorous. A bit, but in our bodies we don't have the cow's rumen that It's alkaline, meaning the stomach is alkaline. Our stomach is acidic, and so following a diet—that is, living a lifestyle of that kind too much in that direction—wasn't two problems. The stomach isn't stimulated by acidity, which means that whatever comes in from inside, that is, what I eat, the dirt in what I eat, enters and makes itself at home inside me. And the other, which is the excess fermentation linked to fermentable foods, which are all plant-based, stimulates frequency, which could lead to stools that are too soft, and therefore, in addition to not having a source of vitamins, they also lack magnesium and vitamin C.

[01:29:11]Then you say, "But I'm convinced of my choice." Well, then start supplementing with B vitamins, vitamin C, etc. Sure.

[01:29:25]Then they have iron under their feet.

[01:29:27]Be careful, gospo vitamins are of bacterial origin; they come from yeast, so there's danger. Vitamin C is synthetic, magnesium is obtained from seawater, so we're respecting all the beings in the world. But you can't think it's the healthiest diet. of the world.

[01:29:54]Convinced. I don't want to be caught on one side or the other. I did an interview on Symposium on YouTube with almost 200,000 views and they called me a carbophobe because I said that in my opinion, a diet made up of 70-80% carbohydrates is scientifically incompatible with human beings and they said yes.

[01:31:22]Carbos.

[01:31:47]Well, then you something protein in your hands.

[01:31:56]Yes.

[01:32:20]Yes, fish eats. Eat fish that doesn't have vitamin B12. What is vitamin B12?

[01:33:01]omega 3, so fatty fish.

[01:33:10]And so salmon is fine.

[01:33:22]Seafood.

[01:33:23]Seafood.

[01:34:04]Ah, okay. Okay, great. And we're boring.

[01:34:19]1 kg of butter onion.

[01:38:58]So, before saying goodbye and passing the floor to the host, obviously if there were any questions that can't be asked in public, I then And and before, of course, thank Marcello here who hosted us in this beautiful bookshop of his that offers so many things throughout the whole The span of the year and clearly it's special. And I ask a question now that's a little more personal. It's the last question I ask Gabriele, and being sentimental, I ask him about the dedication he wrote in this beautiful book where he writes that he defines it as the most powerful mirror in which I've ever reflected myself.

[01:40:03]So, as a father, I ask you the profound meaning of this sentence.

[01:40:12]How many hours do we have?

[01:40:17]A few minutes, otherwise Marcello will mess around.

[01:40:21]If there's a figure, no, who forced me to see myself over and over again as a student, etc., it's my son.

[01:40:40]I separated when he was very young, a complicated period also from an operating room perspective, I hadn't left her yet and I probably wasn't ready to get married or ready to have a child.

[01:40:55]I was ready to work 24/7 as an operator. That was my status, and one of the things my son told me a couple of months ago—he said about all the things I remember when I was little and that you were never there. He can't leave this stuff behind, I mean, a sentence like that. He can't leave himself without ever, and obviously 12 million replies arrive, not just one. So, for me, mirror means that, even though he's my son, even though he's small, there's another book I dedicated to my son, more than one, but he's my point of reference. He makes me understand the stupid things I've done, he makes me understand that I could avoid repeating myself, and he makes me understand that I can be better, and maybe he doesn't know it. But this gives me, that is, this is the reference for me, the reason why I mirror myself in him and see things that I might not see on my own, and therefore I might not change my own, I hope, which I spent my time with. I hope you could have seen the beautiful presentation of Gabriele's book live.

[01:42:40]Maro, please.

[01:42:45]Good evening everyone.

[01:42:47]Well, I apologize to the people left at the back, but this afternoon we saw how many people we had, right?

[01:42:59]25 people, and I also put the chairs up, Costa Piana, production grades. It might seem like it, but in reality, then I began to realize that there are 80 of you, since I started putting the series here. We've been here for 2 hours, no. And I don't know how, because this gentleman is a truly extraordinary man. There are two very important things.

[01:43:40]One is that many of you may have recognized this when you came down here, but 8 years ago, this was a warehouse. It was the warehouse that diary you might have recognized. However, how I decided to close these 18 bookstores, precisely, and I had to create them so that I could meet people physically and that they could enrich themselves.

[01:44:30]No, I listen to things that we would have.

[01:44:54]It's a fact here. Here, it happens from the morning, in fact, tonight it's 11 because tomorrow morning we have a Francise class anyway.

[01:46:21]I left, right? And they really happen, but the really important thing is that I systematically, so there's also physical activity on my part, but then while listening, I realize that for me, there's really nothing here, and so. So, it did for me.

[01:47:30]Oh, for you, so I would really do it again, all the events we do. 8 years. If I did this activity for you only, this hall, this same one, there are 750.

[01:48:33]Here there's Immaginozo, you're great.

[01:50:50]Okay, but it was Thanks.

[01:51:19]If the message arrived, it was recorded, maybe I'd have a nice one.

[01:51:38]Is there something? You have the teacher nearby anyway. No, no, they're starting to see each other, even if they're there, do you ever start seeing them, you know?

[01:52:04]Oh, yeah, damn, white guys.

[01:52:12]I want to. Come on! We can do it in Rome, though, Mimmo, you have to talk.

[01:53:47]No, I know.

[01:54:34]Maybe he has.

[01:56:18]Yes, yes. Yes, yes,