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Ezekiel 16:7.
I made you grow up like a plant of the field. You grew up and became tall and arrived at full womanhood. Your breasts were formed and your hair had grown. Yet you were naked and bare.
Okay. So, um, some ticks and today is Tuesday, suckers, so it's an appropriate verse for us to start with. Welcome in everyone. Hesses all around. Hi, I'm Mezzo. I'm an atheist.
It's fine.
It's not a big deal.
Doesn't m like it doesn't matter.
just hanging out, you know, ride the wave.
Oh, yes. Okay. Uh, let's see what we have to say today.
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Got to buy tickets to the water park. That's not related. Okay.
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Okay. So, if you're a uh a Christian believer or or a Muslim or believer and you uh think got some sort of a God is real, come on up. Let's talk about it because really uh we're just riding the wave of atheism. There doesn't seem to be a problem with that. So, uh, come on up and say hey to us and we'll, uh, we'll vibe a bit.
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Wow. waking up after a late night over on Joel's Live last night. We went uh deep into the evening, deep into the night, and uh woke up early. I've been up for hours already. Uh it's Yeah, it's almost 9:00 here. I've been up for like 3 hours. So, um you know, I'm going to be tired. like this whole live is going to be exhausting, but uh you know it's Tuesday, so I'm happy to be here. And uh I do have a hard out. Um normally hard in, but this time I have a hard out. So So uh probably around 11:30 I'll have to just uh just tap out here and ditch uh out. So um am I a time traveler? No, it's it's 8:54 Pacific time and all around the world. I'm not sure uh what other zone you could possibly be in.
Okay, let's see here.
I wanted to bring up a point that I wrote down.
Oh, yeah. Here it is.
two things just like these are like the things I think about throughout the week. One was I don't was it during my last live? I guess it was two lives ago, we had um someone on who uh we were getting into all the omnis and um she was saying like once once I suggested well we can imagine a uh a god that isn't omni benevolent and then this uh they can do more things because this is a common thing with the omni contradictions uh for people who like know a little bit more about Thomas Aquinus and the [ __ ] they're talking about will say, "Well, it doesn't mean that he can do everything. It means he can do all logical possible things or something like that." And they refuse to say for him what's logical for him. Uh which I think is their flaw because you can imagine a god that can do sins or can do bad things uh and is still like an ultimate being and has in fact more powers because they can do that stuff.
And uh and she was saying how like well I don't I don't just don't know what that is. And I moved past it, but I thought about it later. And I was like, "What a lie. What an absolute lie to say. I can't even con like I can't even conceive. I can't even think about it."
Yeah, you can. And if you can't, I can I can't think of a square circle, right?
I can't think of a of what like 2 + 2= 5 means. I I can't think of a a a rock that isn't a rock, you know, or a P that isn't a P, you know, like those things.
I really can't even like it's it's a contradiction. I really can't >> clock it, >> but but I can imagine the bad god. So, I think it was just a failure. Uh it's an obvious uh copout. Hey, anyways, Aussiey's here. Hey, Aussie, welcome in.
>> Hello. How's it going?
>> Very good. How are you?
>> I'm great, thanks.
>> What's your age and religion?
>> I'm 27. I don't know if you'd speak to an agnostic.
>> Uh maybe >> maybe.
>> Yeah.
>> Um I was just wondering what you would think about uh the uh the notion that anybody who claims to know what happens when you die potentially either lying or being deluded.
>> Uh yeah, I think that's true. Like people think that they they know what's going to happen when they die.
>> So, but we don't really know because we haven't died.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You don't really know. So, would it be the same type of dogma that religious people have that, you know, the blind faith that a god exists?
Wouldn't that same dogma come to those that think it that that one certainly doesn't exist?
>> Yeah. But I have uh like I'm a east uh or a western orthodox atheist. So I do have that that dogma in our teachings that when you die um you just turn off.
And I mean we do have evidence of that.
So it's not the same thing as um you know my my consciousness is going to go somewhere else and be awake still in a like brainless mind. You know like that.
That's there's like that's a huge big wild claim with no evidence. But we have seen uh that when things die, they turn off and we do know that brain functions need uh to be on to to work. We can turn them off, right? With anesthesia and stuff, you can like turn brains off or certain parts of them or by killing them. You can turn brains off and we see like that liessness go away. So if the claim is that somewhere somehow you have a mind that exists uh like a brainless mind like you got to they're going to have to prove that that that's a big claim to say that like well what what I think happens is what we can see happens the personality turns off when you talk to someone who's dead they almost never respond you know what I mean so like it it it is evidence that that is what's going to happen is that they're going to be off just like the rest of their body is.
>> Yeah. In this reality certainly um we can't see where they go if they go anywhere. You could just >> in other realities absolutely like you're right. If you like make other realities and stuff. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um what else was I going to say?
Wouldn't the uh this is my last point. I don't I can't stay long but uh thank you for uh for talking to me. Um if uh if you look at the paradoxes that exist like I'm not going to ask how many you can name because there's like you know many many paradoxes that exist. I would personally see these paradoxes as evidence if not proof that the science that we currently have today no matter how true or uh or or or accurate or close to reality I don't think we have it right otherwise the paradoxes wouldn't exist. I think they are indicators that we're not dead on.
>> Maybe give me an example of one. What do you mean?
>> Oo, paradox. Oh, you're putting on the spot. What paradox exist?
>> Like this this sentence is a lie. Like those types of things. uh >> like linguistic par like I think that's just >> like quantum mechanical paradoxes like uh the for instance the uh the the double slit experiment of of of I don't know I don't know if that's a paradox but the fact that when you observe the particles they behave differently to if you're not observing them and uh I'm I can't I'd have to look up some uh >> we don't know that's true because we don't know how they're behaving when we're not observing them but I get what you mean that like uh they act they seem to act differently when you look at the patterns later, but that's because in order to observe them, they they fire a laser into them.
>> Like that's how you they observe them.
And so it's like introducing a whole bunch of energy, so it's going to mess with it. So I don't think that's some like mystical paradox that uh is like both possible and impossible. It's just a weird thing that has a like totally normal explanation.
>> Yeah. So if you can think of a paradox, I I clearly cannot think of a paragraph right now, but um if you think of one that actually exists um um and then you you know use it as a as a medium to sort of um if if if you see the paradox as an indicator that um we've not got some science or maths correctly, then the potential that uh there is some sort of creator which personally like I'm an agnostic. I don't fully believe it or not believe it. If there was any potential that we were created by any kind of divine alien race that we see as gods or whatever, I think the the potential of that existing shouldn't be completely not thought about. I think you you'd have to be quite stubborn to think >> alien race.
>> Who knows?
>> What are you talking about? Oh. Um, I I don't personally believe it, but you see all these crazy conspiracies, ancient aliens, gnosticism, and and >> Yeah, but divine is a religious word.
Like like you mean like a like a a righteous like a morally good and supernaturally powered group of aliens?
>> I wouldn't I don't believe I think those are real.
>> Yeah. Well, we don't know if aliens are real. I know that people are saying they aren't, but >> to to say that um aliens are real is one thing. To say that divine, supernatural aliens are real is a wholly different thing. That's nuts.
>> I use the word divine as an embellishment. Um I say divine because people would potentially see aliens that come and uh you know u uh do whatever they say they they do the ancient ancient ancient alien history channel.
um like if if if they came down and visited and people thought they were angels or gods or whatever.
>> Thinking something is supernatural and it actually being supernatural are two very different things. So yeah, absolutely. If you're just saying like, oh, it's possible people might be mistaken about the supernatural. Yeah, that obviously happens every day. But to say that there really is something supernatural, no, there's not. But what tells you that they couldn't have potentially created a garden of Eden like planet where they >> an alien race totally >> maybe a really smart alien race could have come seeded life on Earth. That's possible. I don't think that would be God though. That's not the right >> creationism though.
>> Okay.
>> I suppose that's why I would classify myself as agnostic rather than >> because you think that maybe that you think maybe that's what happened. That's why you're agnostic.
>> I don't think it is what happened. I think that the to to to say it never to say it's impossible is is is not you know it's >> no one's saying that aliens like could have come and messed with a DNA that was already happening on Earth like sure maybe I don't know why we would believe that ancient aliens is a bunch of [ __ ] I know people who used to write on that show they make it up >> they make it up it's very fun toize about but what I'm saying is but if you currently don't believe that it's the case that a supernatural being made life on Earth, then then you don't believe in God. Atheist is the right word for you.
>> Agnostic is when you're like, "Yeah, you know, the juryy's still kind of out on that. I'm not totally sure." But a lot of people are agnostic atheists where they're like, I mean, I don't know for sure, but I'm currently unconvinced.
That's agnostic.
>> There's a lot of um links between physics and spirituality with quantum mechanics. And I I think that uh potentially the uh that the evidence in manifestation that um I would I wouldn't be able to name much sources or anything but like people talk about manifestation existing and and uh the law of attraction and whatnot and you could probably explain a lot of it scientifically. Um I personally can explain the law of attraction quite scientifically or psychologically even but um essentially if if uh sorry yeah if if if the uh >> I'm not totally sure what you're talking >> law of attraction I've derailed myself in um in my >> I don't I don't know what you're talking about at this point.
>> Yeah, neither do I. What was I saying? I think that's a common thing is that like there's a whole bunch of spiritual mumbo jumbo words >> manifestation. So like if people um if people could manifest reality and whatnot um it does tie into the many worlds theory of shunting through whatever or or manifesting the reality that >> but that's not real.
>> Yeah. I mean there's there's no evidence that it's not real. There's it's just speculation really. But um essentially like is whether or not it's that manifesting thing is [ __ ] People can't really manifest things that couldn't happen otherwise.
>> And I can explain scientifically.
>> Okay. Manifest something for us right now. Let's test it.
>> Um it's more of a psychological thing than like a mystical thing. If you um pray and I use that word loosely like uh if you tell yourself I want this, I want this and you put it at the forefront of your mind like a Christian would do when prayering to God then you are more likely to see the opportunities that present themselves regarding this uh focal point that you have and you you can manage >> that's not supernatural. That's just like focusing on a goal and then getting it. And I think that potentially Christians can mistake that for God answering their prayers.
>> Yeah. It's absolutely not magical or supernatural. It's just if you think about something enough and then you you'll like be more aware of the opportunities that show up. Yeah, totally.
>> So I suppose my argument is not that it's a supernatural being. I my argument is that >> Yeah. And I wouldn't call it God or manifestation or divine or use all these supernatural words because what you're doing is giving like validity to the magic.
>> Like if if you can say like I think there are psychological effects where people think they're manifesting things but it's not real, then that's more accurate. But if you say maybe manifesting is real, maybe there were divine aliens, what you do is you're like validating their insane supernatural claims because then they go, "Yeah, and angels." and they kind of like like you know double up on what you're doing. So it's better to like use uh not that language if you're talking about it in a not that way.
>> I suppose I'm not fussed about what the way that people perceive how I'm thinking about it, but I do see what how that how people can conflate that. Uh but I guess that's why I I call myself agnostic. Uh cuz I I don't believe in uh a god or I I mean I I believe there's equal potential of many gods. um or many beings that people classify as gods. Cuz if you look at all religions, all pagan religions, cuz you know there's tons of them, a lot of them have a lot of links where different places of the earth see um these and they get they have different names for for for these certain types of gods that have a similar likeness. like there is always like the chance that maybe however many years ago um there were some sort of aliens and and like us like I us like we both agreed earlier there's it's definitely a lot of fabricated [ __ ] that you see um as fun as it to be I I I personally put it in the same category as Christianity and whatnot but then also um believing the science um when there's paradoxes I think is quite optimistic you can't I personally can't >> remember you couldn't a paradox and we were confused about what you meant by that. I think paradoxes are like apparent contradictions where it's like it seems like a contradiction but we haven't just figured it out yet. Just cuz there's some like uh yeah PK is right like a gape in our knowledge.
There's something we're like hey we don't know we haven't figured this out yet to to plug that with supernatural is stupid because every time we have figured it out it's not supernatural. It should mean that there's definitely room for more uh research and study and if that ends up um falling towards anything not supernatural but anything uh creation related. If there was a if there was a you just can't say that there was not a a race previous to humanity that created us. There's no evidence for it. There's no evidence against it. So I can't confidently say no that never happened. Well, I think the evidence against it is the evidence against it is the like abundant lack of evidence. The amount of non-evidence, right? Like when we look through the geological layers, when we look through the geological layers and we see this like natural progression leading to us from earlier uh life forms like we see that there is a lot of natural evidence that is counter evidence to some sort of a divine alien seeding theory that um you know TV producers made up. Yeah, I I think that the evidence against all the divine spirituality stuff uh doesn't necessarily mean evidence against creation. And I think maybe that's the problem. I think maybe um the the way that I'm describing my agnosticism is more through uh knowing that I don't know and knowing that you don't know.
>> Creation, I guess.
>> Sorry.
>> Of of I guess maybe I don't know what you mean by creation. Are you talking just about like um like a biogenesis?
Are you talking about the like the world, the earth itself? Are you talking about the entire universe?
>> I've I've I've only seen a couple of your lies, but some people mention um um some people say, "Oh, some there's that whole argument about um uh uh intelligible design like like, oh, how could someone not have made it?" And I see that like obviously evolution could be a very easy response to that. But um you can still create something that evolves. AI is a really good example of how you can create something that learns things. It's evidence that that something could have done that and made us >> I don't know which you're talking about from like creating life on Earth. Is that what we're talking about? Well, how far of a jump is it between creating AI that learns and >> I'm just trying to figure out which thing you're talking about create because some people mean the entire universe is created. Some people just talk about like uh the the stars and the planets and then some people are talking about life. You're just talking about like biology >> argument. I Yeah, I guess um maybe maybe I'm not the best person to talk to about this. I don't necessarily believe in a Christian God.
>> Whatever created life still exists. So we you like it wouldn't be a god necessarily.
>> You're saying it would be outside time like a dimensional >> being. Why would why would what made life on Earth be outside time?
>> I don't know. The machine elves. Have you heard of them? I' I've not I've not actually done DMT, but people always talk about the machine elves. The these entities that >> that people Yeah, people have shared hallucinations on DMT and they see these these uh these entities that um that you know like uh seem to interact with them.
Um there's >> Yeah, that's them on they're on drugs.
>> But they have the same they see the same things.
>> That's fine. Drugs can have similar effect because we all have brains.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. There's some drugs that you look at it makes your everyone's hands look weird.
>> Yeah.
>> But you know it could be just that you're not wrong.
Hello.
Something's wrong.
[ __ ] I'm like I could be gullible. Yeah.
I'm just uh open open mind.
Yeah. I I get the idea of being like open-minded, but if the evidence is, hey, when a bunch of people took uh drugs, they they all saw something, I don't think that we would go, >> that probably has to do with the creation of life on Earth. Like, what a weird jump to like why I don't know why you brought that up even close to this.
>> It might have something to do with how drugs interacts with human brains. It's like I think that that's a a fair connection to try to to figure out. But like if we were doing science, we were like, "Okay, we're trying to figure out uh how life on Earth happened." Um there's a few things we can look into.
We can uh check into chemistry uh and and like the early uh Earth as we know it and try to like um make that um like uh you know, simulate early Earth with the chemistry stuff in there and see how it uh connects. Or we can like take a bunch of drugs and guess about it and see like like obviously we're going to do the first one.
>> What a weird crazy leap to make. Like it just doesn't there's no connection. If there are machine elves that when you take drugs we're able to see into some other dimension where there are elves that are like working on stuff. Why do would we we assume they made life?
What's the >> I'm not saying that you'd assume that, but uh it's it would mean that there's life outside our spectrum of what we can sense, see, hear, smell, and there's obvious necessarily.
>> Yeah. But what why why would we think that means that they created anything?
>> Well, do you believe in simulation theory? Like the the whole matrix simulation theory thing?
>> I believe it's a theory, but I'm not convinced it's true. I believe it's like an equal equally relevant and um acceptable theory to um some religions and spirituality. I think the personal spirituality if you ignore the science and just focus on like >> you guys talk for a second. I got to do one thing. I'll be right back.
>> That's right. I've got to go anyway, but it was lovely talking.
>> I don't know how to leave these. There you go. Bye.
>> Hey, how's it going?
And that's the thing whenever when I see a a deal Bill I'm a big fan of Bill Maher u love I've been watching you know real time for a long time. Usual argument I get you know is the is the classic you know there's so many different religions and if you believe in one then you have to believe all of the wrong all of them are the rest of them are wrong.
If everybody thinks that everybody else is wrong, aren't they all wrong? And I got to admit, I I I've never really found this terribly persuasive for the simple fact that it just means that there are a lot of people out there through the ages that have, you know, tried to contemplate, you know, is there anything out there? Is there, you know, is is it just the universe happens to exist? Is it all random chance? Or is there some, you know, greater mind, greater force out there? I don't think it there's anything I don't think there's anything ridiculous about the concept of a creator because you know as you know as the comic said that's been making waves recently you know if you believe that nothing created everything that's sounds like a hell of a nothing you know to me you know it's like well stuff just happened to exist like you know when something didn't exist it's because it had to be created it had an origin somewhere So again, I don't find it terribly persuasive that nothing created everything.
You know, I mean, I do understand the the concept that a creator um you know, if a creator creates everything, then it begs the question, where did the creator come from? And I and I get that, but again, you don't it doesn't really solve it.
>> All right. Sorry about that. Okay. Did we figure out the uh >> Wait, did that guy leave?
>> He Yeah, he he left like two seconds after you got up. Okay.
>> Um, no, I just started pontificating the uh Are you a fan of Bill Maher out of curiosity?
>> Uh, no.
>> Okay. Well, Bill Maher is an atheist and and despite the fact that I'm religious and he's very obviously not. I one of his common lines is that, you know, if you believe in religion, then you believe all the other religions are wrong. So, since everybody thinks everybody else is wrong, aren't they all wrong? And I was just commentating that I didn't find that terribly persuasive because I don't find it stupid to wonder if there's something else out there besides just everything happening to exist.
>> So you uh think Bill Maher got that wrong?
>> I again it's it's we don't really know because because either nothing suddenly became something or >> Well, I mean I mean It's a good point that like if one of the religions is true, the other ones aren't.
>> Yeah, that's Yeah, exactly.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, >> so so like like what what are you are you like a Catholic?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, so you think Muslim is wrong?
>> Yes, that's correct.
>> Okay. So, do I?
>> Yeah.
>> So, what's Yeah.
>> What's wrong with that?
>> Yeah. Well, what my point is is that is that um I don't find any I don't think it's silly for people to wonder if there's something else out there and if something else is out there it does I I don't think it's silly to think that that that being or beings whichever you know whatever you happen to believe in >> would at some point you know make contact or make their presence known in some way in order to you know say hey this is what you should do or shouldn't tell the way things are. I mean, however, it's done. I mean, everything's a mystery. I mean, again, you >> Well, that's I think that's where I get hung up. If you're like, "Yeah, there's some maybe there's something out there."
I'm like, "Yeah, maybe." And maybe it uh can telepathically connect with us and it wants us to act a certain way. Then I'm like, "Whoa, hold your freaking horses. What the [ __ ] are you talking about?" That's when it sounds insane to me.
>> Well, I mean, it doesn't sound any more insane than the concept of, "Hey, things just happened to exist, you know, out of nothing." I I think it I think it does like absolutely to say like hey some things uh seem to happen and some things don't and then to say a telepathic guy wants me to act a certain way that is more like that sounds a bit wilder right like you do you not see that >> I mean you're welcome to that opinion but it doesn't again it doesn't sound any wilder than it doesn't sound any wilder than the concept of >> nothing because you have both something some like telepathic being just randomly exists and it tells me how to act. Like you have a lot more >> involved. Like you have the same thing that atheists have where it's like God just randomly exists. We don't know why or how. And he talks to me and he made the universe and he wants me to act right. Like you're you're doing a lot more uh you know like you know the equal stuff I am plus a whole bunch of like strange stuff and microphone noises.
>> I mean if if you're I mean if you want to look at it fine but I again I don't find that terribly persuasive.
that that yours is. Well, you said mine is crazy because >> or or atheism sounds.
>> Atheism sounds absurd >> because it has like a >> No, that's not what I said.
>> What did you say about like about me thinking that random thing?
>> I said I don't find either one more persuasive than the other.
>> Oh, I thought we were talking about which one sounds crazier just like at Facebook.
>> No, no. I'm saying I'm saying like nothing becoming something versus a creator creating something and then you know god forbid having opinions on you know what we do.
>> So >> those sound equal to >> I mean I don't find one more persuasive than the other. That's that's all I'm saying.
>> But do you understand that at face value the creator one has a lot more like questions and variables and insanity in it compared to mine? I mean, I think the insanity part is a little subjective there. Wouldn't you say?
>> Telepathy.
>> I mean, if something has the power to create the universe, telepathy is child's play.
>> Sure. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, you have to posit that there's some being that has minds that can telepathically connect with us and can create the universe. My my view doesn't have that.
You're you're saying that >> why why would being able to make a universe mean you also have telepathy?
Those are like two different powers.
>> Uh yeah, but like if you can create the universe, telepathy doesn't seem like such a reach.
>> Why? Those are different magics.
>> Okay. I mean, you're welcome to your opinion and I'm welcome to mine.
>> Okay, cool.
>> Is that all that's all you came up for?
Well, I mean, again, I I am curious like in terms of atheism, is this is this, you know, kind of the crux of the argument or is there more to it than >> No, that's Bill Maher's argument that you were talking about.
>> Well, I mean, what's your that's why I'm here. I ask what's your argument then?
>> Oh, yeah. I just think God isn't real.
Um because there's no evidence for him and uh the way that most people describe him is contradictory um uh at least to reality if not to itself. Uh, the Bible is the book where um a lot of these ideas come from and it's false. So, there's a lot of reasons to not believe.
>> Based on what?
>> Which one?
>> You mean you said it was false? Based on what?
>> Yeah. The B like it's not a true story.
>> What do you mean?
>> In the B like the Bible has like um you know, Adam and Eve and all the stuff like didn't really >> happen. Okay. You do know that Catholics don't take these story, you know, don't take the stories literally, right?
>> Absolutely. So, you agree not a true book. That's why I don't think it's true.
>> There are plenty there are plenty of books that describe things that didn't actually happen. There's different literary styles in when you're writing a book.
>> Give me an examp like what's another book that says something that didn't happen?
>> Harry Potter, >> right? Fiction. Harry Potter's not real.
Absolutely. Great example. This also fiction. These things didn't happen. the characters aren't real. Perfect.
>> Well, again, it's it's different literary styles. The more important point is what is the point of the story?
Like, what is the message that's trying to be sent with this story? That's the that's >> the point of the Bible story was to make up a god.
>> I mean, okay, but you're you're you're start you're starting with presuming your answer. You're you're you're presuming the answer before you even start the argument.
>> Well, that's what I >> like. It's because you confirmed it when I checked with you. You were like, "Yeah, that those things aren't true."
Do you think some of it's true and some isn't?
>> It's that's the difference.
And I mean, if you don't accept that ar if you don't accept that argument, that's fine, but that doesn't make you more right than I am.
>> Saying literary style isn't an argument.
I don't know what >> what's the argument that the Bible is literary style.
The the the point is that these stories are written to to send a message and the way as Christians we interpret that is the message that is being sent is what the purpose is of it. Not that it's not a you know not everything in the Bible is a history textbook.
>> Right.
>> Okay. So by saying by saying the book >> is that God had people write uh like untrue stories as a literary style to give convince people that he was real.
>> The stories are messages and the question is and the way we interpret these stories is what the message is.
That's the point.
>> Okay. I mean, if you're going to criticize Harry Potter, for example, for not being a history textbook, I'll be like, well, it's not a >> That's why we don't believe it.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Okay.
>> Same. I think it's similar with the Bible.
>> I mean, again, that that's that's fine, but you didn't prove anything >> just that we shouldn't believe in the Bible because, as you said, it's it's the literary style it's written in is fiction. It's like a mythology book.
>> You're you call it fiction all you want.
If you're going to deliberately misinterpret this the the scriptures, that's fine. But but that's not what we believe. So I don't understand why you keep saying that.
>> Well, I don't understand what like point you're making that like it's not true, but it's a it's actually like a secret message from God or something.
>> It's like it's written. So he has he has telepathic powers to to zap ideas into your brain and he wrote down wrong stories about it to get to confuse people because everyone reads the Bible interprets it differently and then started a bunch of incorrect religions.
Like what a what a weird plan for an all powerful smart god to do. Right. Isn't that confusing?
>> If you're going to Here's what I would appreciate. if you could at least be able to articulate what the Christian position is on these stories because you're what you're doing is you're criticizing it for something.
>> It's different for every Christian though, right? So some Christians will go the the point of the stories is to give a completely accurate factual account of history and then for other Christians it's well we're supposed to read these stories and then like grumble around on our microphone a bunch while we like make up what we think they mean to us. And God was just trying to speak to each of us differently for some reason. So yeah, so I would love to be able to do that if everyone could get together and figure out what the Bible meant. That'd be cool.
>> Well, you know, Roman Catholics did that. The fact that there were split off religions that decided that it meant something different really isn't our problem.
>> You have the right one, though.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, yeah, I don't think you do have the right interpretation of the Bible. I think it was written to say, "Here's what we think really happened.
here's what we want people to think happened and uh they they either believed it was real or they were like let's trick people into thinking this is real. That's what I think.
>> All I'm all I'm asking is that if you're going to present these arguments, can you at least do it from a position that's consistent, you know, because it just saying >> you can't do that because every Christian we talk to is different, right?
>> Well, I'm sorry. Religion is hard, dude.
What do you want? May maybe just tell me like what you think is true in the Bible and we can talk about that.
>> I just did.
>> What's true?
>> I just did. A lot of the Old Testament is is reporting on the factual dates like so and so did this, you know, David went here, Moses went there. We believe all of that is it's all written historical narrative. So that's what we believe.
>> Oh, those parts are true.
>> Yes. Well, hold on a sec. When you say true again, like you're just you're just deliberately using >> really happened in history. You're del you're deliberately misinterpreting what I'm saying. And it's really it's it it's really sad.
>> All I hear is your microphone grumbling around like you're rubbing it on your shirt and then you're whining about how I'm saying the same things that you're saying back to you.
>> No, you you're just deliberately misinterpreting what I'm saying. And I think I've had enough. I've had a great time. Thanks, man.
>> Walking Dead, you said the stories aren't true and the literally those words literally did not come out of my mouth. Please stop saying that.
>> Is the story of Genesis true?
>> It depends on which section you're talking about. Some of it is written in >> Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve. Is that part true?
>> Yes. Well, I mean, sorry, I I you spoke quickly and I misspoke. My apologies.
Uh, the way that the Roman Catholic Church deals with it is that it they say that is written in a in a language that's not necessarily historical language. So, it what the Roman Catholic Church says is it's in the eyes of the beholder. Okay, that's their opinion.
>> I didn't know that. That That's what I'm trying to figure out what you're Because it was confusing the way you said it before where we're like, "Yeah, we we don't like we don't take the Bible literal." So, I'm going through and saying, "Well, which parts?" God, you got to get your microphone figured out.
>> What are you doing with it?
>> I'm trying to get a 2-year-old's sleep.
I'm sorry, man. If it's too big a problem, I can drop. It's no problem.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Had a good conversation.
>> Not really.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, if you just characterize it that way.
>> I think you did a good job. You did a good job against Bill Maher. I'll give you that. I think you've wrecked Bill Maher, but I don't know what the rest of the stuff you said was. So, >> you know, you're doing you're doing your position of service by being so >> great.
Uh, robot goat, can you do me a favor and rub your microphone all over your [ __ ] shirt for half an hour?
What do you want me to do? What?
>> I'm just kidding. Please don't do that.
>> Okay. Um, I just got like this frantic call from Bill Maher.
>> Yeah.
>> He's like, I just got beat in a debate so bad. What do I do?
>> Oh, hold on. I can you like talk to these people for one second?
>> Oh, gross. I'm gonna have to babysit.
>> Just tell them about Bill.
>> All right. So, Bill More gave me a call cuz we we have kind of like a a friendmy sort of situation, right? Cuz he said like some really weird like transphobic [ __ ] Um, but like he also makes really really good mac and cheese and that's the way to my heart. Um, so he gave me this call and he's like, "Listen, robot goat, I know we're not always on the best terms, but I got to tell you, I just suffered this devastating loss.
This guy, he he redefined what truth means mid debate." Uh, and by redefining what truth means, he was able to make things that weren't true be true. And I said, "Bill, that's a little bit meaningless then because if you're redefining true um so that it doesn't mean that something has to comport with reality, um, then we would have no ability to tell what is and isn't real."
And Bill Maher was like, "Oh, but the millennials these days are using pronouns." Um, breadcrumbs on top. Yeah. Oh, he does the breadcrumbs on top on top. He does multiple different types of cheese. Um, it is scrumptious.
Listen, I love me any type of pasta dish. Particularly Oh, never mind. Don't tell them anything.
>> Don't Don't tell them what.
>> Huh? No, I I was talking to Chad, not you.
>> But But I'm here.
Well, now you are. Yes.
>> So, you did you want to >> talk to me or No.
>> Oh. Oh, I guess I can.
>> Hi.
>> Um, can >> Hi.
>> Um, >> well, some we we got some real TNA going on. Um, >> we just need some uh DNP, I guess.
Some I was going to say Dan and Phil, but I feel like that would be a reference that's lost on you.
>> Dave and Phil.
>> Dan and Phil.
>> Is that like Phil Donahue?
>> Oh, I was afraid of >> No, it's these two British twinks.
Anyway, um >> we can say twink.
>> I can risky. Um I have to read some super chats.
This one says, uh, "Thank you for your atheisms." It's from Amir. You're welcome. Thank you for yours. Uh, and this one says, "Thanks for the stickers.
We are so excited. Thanks for hilarious and excellent content." I think uh I added some things on uh YouTube.
>> Oh, >> also my YouTube is freezing, I'm noticing, too. Uh, so that's good. But I I added like emoji things on YouTube. I don't know how to do it, guys. I'm not very good at the YouTube still. I'm I'm trying to figure it out still. And it's it is better. I get that it's better, >> but uh the on all on every [ __ ] app, the like way that >> they all set up these like Chuck E.Cheese cheese bucks like these monopoly money, the the ticket system and then like the gifting stuff is so insanely complicated and like you know Twitch is like that too. The cheers and the bits and all this stuff and like everyone you can name everything different on that one.
So it's crazy like I don't know what's people are saying what's the community gift? I don't know what that is. Every time I finish a Tik Tok live it's like you have a bronze shield in the league.
I'm like, I have no idea what anything is talking about. And it makes me feel elderly.
>> Well, it's it's all so they can convert it a bunch of times and you don't realize how big of a cut they're actually taking.
>> Oh, for sure. That's what Yes. And same with Chuck E. Cheese, right? Like that's or like any like coinbased uh or like ticket based thing like every the carnivals invented this a long time ago where you you buy a bunch of carnival tickets and then you go and you go like this roller coaster is only eight tickets and you forgot tickets were 10 bucks each, you know? Um, and so so it's like this scam, but they're all different and they're all confusing. And it I really think it's designed to make me feel like an elderly old old boomer man. I think that's the other part of it is they're like, let's just confuse these old [ __ ] so that we can get all their money. The kids will get it, but they're broke, so it doesn't matter.
>> I mean, as as an under 30, I I'm also confused by it sometimes because yeah, the whole leagues thing doesn't make any sense. And then I thought I had YouTube understood because of like super chats and now it's like you've got 200 jewels and I'm like what the [ __ ] is that?
>> I just got 67 jewels from Matthew.
>> 67.
>> Yeah, they're doing it a bunch of times and I don't know what a jewel is.
>> Yeah, I I I do not know the conversion at all.
>> And then everything has to have their own words. So there's stickers and emoji and icons like everything like they have to like pretend like they're doing their own thing. It's all the same [ __ ] guys.
Everything is Anyways, Colts fan said, "I love tits and so should you." Happy Tuesday, suckers. I love that.
Today is Tuesday, suckers. Thanks, Colts fan, for the $5 super chat. Uh, and then Jigsaw Master sent five more to say, "Can you explain to me what the point of this dono message is, or are you going to misrepresent and straw man it?" Last guest, probably. Um, yeah, that's a quote from the last guys. What is the point of this? Well, this is obviously literary. Wait, what was the word? A literary um >> literary um language. Yeah.
>> Yeah. This is obviously this this super chat's a literary device. It's not true.
That's obvious. Yeah.
Um I'm getting a message here.
The chat is losing their [ __ ] about how this guy yells at women's and babies or something.
>> Huh?
I think the last that last guest has been around a little bit and he's a little bit of a um giant douche.
>> Oh, makes sense.
>> Just a little bit of a huge douche. Um and I don't know, apparently has like done some [ __ ] up [ __ ] on other people's lives. So, uh hey guys, I hate to say this, get used to it. The internet sucks.
>> No, it's a great place. What you think?
You're Are you saying someone would say or do a mean thing online?
>> It's It's like the main place that that happens.
>> That doesn't sound right to me.
>> You know what I think? H you know how like uh you get road rage because uh you're in your private car and you're alone in your car and so you feel anonymous but actually everyone can see in your window and you're like this [ __ ] [ __ ] which you would never say if someone like walked in front of you in the grocery store. You know, >> the internet's just the like uh just this huge car that we can't see in and so every everyone's like [ __ ] nuts here. We just all have uh internet rage in the information superighway rage.
>> I would say that to someone at a grocery store at any of the long list of grocery stores that I'm familiar with. Um that's why I have to know so many when I get kicked out. Mhm. I like call backs. Just say, I know Joel doesn't like doing call back. I'm I'm into it. So, for people who don't know, that's a call back. You don't know what it means. Well, you should pay more attention to all the episodes, right? That's that's on you.
>> You got to watch them all.
>> Yep. Um, hey, AG Ray coming in. Hey, AG.
Thanks everyone for coming by. Um, yeah, I think that swearing at people in a grocery store, you know, if they cut you off, they probably had it coming.
>> Oh, yeah. Like especially if they're like really really old and they're moving super slowly. It's like you're in my way for longer.
>> They should put horns on shopping carts.
That's something.
>> For some reason, the first I thought of was like bull horns so you could like gore people with them. I don't know why my mind went to that instead of like beep beep. Um >> do there's room for both. You know, I had this uh idea for a car horn that I wanted to patent that had two sounds because it does bother me when I'm like at my friend's house to pick them up and I want to be like, "Beep beep. Hey, I'm here." But it sounds like, "Move the [ __ ] over, you shitty old driver." You know what I mean? Cuz there's only one sound. We need one that's uh Sorry, that's going to be loud for a second. We need one that's extra angry sounding and then one that's like, you know, like a little thing. And so you just >> like record your own.
>> Uh yeah. Well, I you know people figure out how to do the like lukar.
>> Yeah. I the lukar is a classic, but what if you could just record yourself like yelling?
>> You get one like you get you can record like a two second. So it's just like [ __ ] move. That's all you get.
>> Just >> Yeah. [ __ ] move would actually be good for the friend too cuz it's like I'm here. [ __ ] move. Yeah. Get out here. Yeah. Maybe they should just all say [ __ ] move.
All right, I got to go tell this person to mow a little quieter. Can you babysit one more time? But don't say anything like Don't say anything weird.
>> Did I ever tell you guys about uh the time I nearly drowned my entire swim class as a child?
So, uh, we would stand on these little acrylic platforms in the deep end because we were like three years old.
None of us knew how to swim.
Uh, and we we were given these little like pool toys to to keep us complacent while they were working with the others in our group. And one started to float away. And so I in my brilliant mind decided, hey, let's all stand on one side of this platform and reach for it at the same time.
um that resulted in this class full of toddlers who didn't know how to swim being dumped into the deep end of the pool. I remember parents jumping in to help scoop us out um as well as the teachers. And you know, >> okay, >> it was a scary moment, but none of the kids died, so I think that it was okay in the end. At >> where?
Oh, you had to be there.
>> At a child's funeral.
No, I said none of the kids died.
>> Oh, what? Um, seems it seems like something weird happened. Uh, I don't know. Um, okay. Well, look, we have another like uh spot open here. If any guests want to come up, you're welcome to come up and say hello. It's Tuesday morning. We're doing a an atheistic live. Although maybe I'll switch the background up and see if we can uh um uh you know get some more more guests up here. Um I love this background though.
>> Calonga, dude.
>> I made this little lady here.
>> Hell yeah.
>> But um I get it. People don't want to ride the wave of atheism. They think like God's true or something weird like that. So um I don't know. We can work on that. Maybe I'll make a God isn't real background. I should do one of those.
>> I had a Christian last night who wanted to argue with me about the laws of logic, specifically laws of non-contradiction and identity.
>> Are those true?
>> Uh, according to him, no.
>> Let's do this for a little bit.
I was talking about the nature of like God changing his mind about the golden calf with one guest and the guest was like, well, his intentions were always the same. They were just viewing it from a different perspective. Like a cube that's half red and half blue. So if you look at one side, it's half red and the other it's half blue. And I'm like, it'd be more analogous to say it is a cube but also not a cube at the same time, >> right?
Um, and then this other guy came up and said, "Well, something can be a cube and not a cube at the same time."
>> What?
>> Because a cube can have qualities outside of the ones that are necessary to make it a cube. And those other qualities because they are not specifically the qualities of a cube are non cube qualities. So that would make the cube not a cube.
>> But then it's just not a cube.
>> Well, he said there there I notic he gave was Fortnite. There's apparently a cube creature and he's like, "Well, this cube creature is intelligible."
>> A gelatinous cube like from Is it gelatinous in Fortnite? They got it from D and D.
>> Do you think I know that?
>> Well, you're Are do you not play Fortnite?
>> Not anymore. I haven't for like months.
>> I've never even seen it being played.
Did you know that? Like I've never even like seen the game on.
>> That would be funny if if if I got you to play Fortnite for the first time. It is free.
>> I I really don't like I don't know what it looks like. I get that I've seen like ads for it, so I get that there's characters that run around. I assume >> and I >> Well, you know the basic premise, right?
>> Oh, sure. It's like uh uh how long is a Fortnite? Like 40 days? It's like a 40 days. It's like >> a Fortnite. It is. I thought that was a score.
>> No.
>> Okay. So, it's like the show 24 except it's two weeks of it instead of 24 hours.
>> I think we've nailed it.
>> How long is a score?
>> I I >> many years.
Oh my god.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Four and seven years ago.
>> I signed a contract. thinking that it was um uh just for two weeks because it was for a score and I I may have [ __ ] my life up here.
>> So, what I'm hearing is new season of Bad Bible Debates.
>> I accidentally signed up for 20 years of that.
>> Jesus Christ. Well, the thing is we only have to do one season over the course of 20 years. So, uh well, it's going to be a slow uh slow build, but yeah, we'll get to it. Season three there. We just have 20 years to make it. So, coming uh soon in uh I'd say in May of 2046, we'll have >> to write that down.
>> Yeah, jot that down.
>> Pencil in.
>> Yeah, pencil that in. Um, hey, by the way, I have this. Um, I don't know if I should show this publicly. Is this the right size for the thing that you needed me to make for you?
Um, can you make it a little smaller?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'll get that.
I'll just sure if because uh I wasn't sure if you're doing inches or centimeters or length or width, but yeah, I got Oh, look at that. Right there. Maybe if I do it right about here. Does that >> Yeah, I Oh, a lot smaller than >> Okay. Okay. We'll get that set up.
That's just a sample. That's not the real thing yet. Uh, I made uh some This is unrelated. I made some cornhole the other yesterday.
>> Cornhole.
>> So I my when we went on a trip uh recently, my kids played cornhole at this hotel and they liked it and they were like, "This is fun." And uh we had tried it before, but they didn't really like get that into it and they for whatever reason just like really got into it. And then we were like, "We can we can buy some cornhole at home. It can't be that much." Getting a cornhole set's a bunch of money. They're like way more expensive than you would think. was like $80 for the cheapest one and they're like small and I'm like it's a hole in a piece of wood. Like I have the tools for this other, you know, for this other uh thing that I do. I have a whole hole in wood making tools. And so I was like, I could probably just do this if I had a good piece of wood. And so when uh uh yesterday like it was Memorial Day and we had finished doing all the business we needed at home, I was like, "Let's just drive around and look for Sometimes there's wood out, you know, and uh like people are >> there just wood out."
>> Yeah.
You You don't ever just see like wood kind of out?
>> I can't say that. I Well, not in public.
>> Yeah. You drive around in my neighborhood. You drive around like you'll just see people have their wood out. That's on the side of the street.
>> And you went out with your family.
>> Yeah. And they're like, "I'm not using this right now.
Do you want some wood?" And you you can you can just grab it >> for free.
>> Yeah. Usually. Yeah. And so, um, uh, so we went around, but we couldn't find any. I was like, "Yeah, you know, you never know. Like sometimes you get some, sometimes you don't." And we went to Lowe's, which is like a a hardware store. They wear >> Know that one >> really hard stuff there. And uh I was like, "Do you guys have scrap wood?" And they're like, "Sometimes maybe. We just have this one piece [ __ ] perfect thing of plywood." But I was like, "It's too big to fit in the car to I was just going to make one."
>> And they're like, "Well, we'll we'll cut it in half for you." And perfect. So we cut it in half two things. Went home and just uh you know, >> got the uh going and uh and then we made we tried to go buy bean bags at the dollar store and they didn't have them.
So, we bought zip locks and rice and just made bean bags out of ziplock. It's like my my wife came out. She was like, "This is so hood. What the [ __ ] are you doing?" Just putting rice and throwing.
>> That's a good memory.
>> Yeah, it worked. And we we ordered some bean bags on Amazon now, but like they weren't going to be here that day. And so, we uh Yeah, we we were checking around. It was super fun. And like building them with the kids and the drill and everything out uh little little danger, you know. the to cut a like because the actual uh hole is I have this saw that it's a you attach it to your handheld drill >> and it just is a big bladed circle. Uh pretty reckless, you know. We're in flip-flops just cutting this thing up.
So, it's a good memory >> and uh and they uh they liked it and then they sat there and throw threw the things at them for a while. So, someone said put Orbeez in them. I hate Orbeez.
>> What? Not interested.
>> Why do you hate Orbeez?
>> Cuz they [ __ ] splatter all over your god damned house and your pets eat them and [ __ ] die from it, I think. I don't know. I ate a bunch of them and I don't feel great. So, like, everyone has their own Oh, hold on. We have a guest.
We don't have to get into that too much.
Yeah. It's like just they're not they're not good um at all. Horrible for the environment. Yeah. and your like uh um what's the what's the word like gut bio?
What's the >> your gut biome?
>> Is that the biome? Is that the right word for it?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Really bad for you. Uh hey Shane, are you there?
Shane, are you are you uh >> Hello.
>> Hey, welcome in. What's your age and religion?
>> Shane, you're uh >> Is it Is it my >> you have it's not connecting very well like you're not on on uh the internet maybe >> okay I'll head out >> do you have access to uh internet >> oh that sounds better whatever you did sounds better how old are you no it's worse 30.
>> Get get by some Wi-Fi and come back. All right.
>> Okay. Yep. All right, brother.
>> Okay.
Just a little like >> Thanks, Shane.
>> Yeah, Orbeez are pieces of [ __ ] But um you were talking about a cube.
Uh yeah, he was claiming that that because this Fortnite cube um is sentient that sentience is not a quality of a cube inherent. Like because sentience is not a specific quality necessary to be a cube. Therefore, it is a noncube quality, which means that it is both a cube and not a cube simultaneously. I just got a harassment and bullying um warning for talking about Orbeez.
>> Orbeez.
>> I think that's what it's for.
>> You shouldn't have bullied the Orbeez, dude.
>> Or Fortnite. It could have been. I don't know.
>> Yeah. I don't think >> Fortnite you took a pretty neutral stance on. I don't think that sentience makes something a cube or not.
>> Yeah. And I was trying to explain that, but then he called me like a fat [ __ ] or something. Um, so he won, I guess.
>> Yeah. But a cube could be a fat [ __ ] Like that doesn't that doesn't negate.
>> Yeah, but being fat and being a [ __ ] are not qualities necessary to be a cube. Therefore, not cube qualities. And so that makes it not a cube was his reasoning. They're they're like um what's the word for like uh ancillary or like accessories? What's the word for like a quality that isn't necessary quality? Like an unessential maybe?
>> Sure.
>> Like a cube can be a cube and a fat [ __ ] and it' be a unessential trait of it, right? So it's like you could you could be a [ __ ] or not and still be a cube. Supplemental is interesting.
Auxiliary. I don't auxiliary the right word. I think unessential is the right like way.
>> Non-essential.
>> Maybe that's Yeah, that's might be more accurate.
Unnoness. But the unnoness uh traits are its cubeness, right? Its sides and its uh shape. Exactly.
Ancillary. What is ancillary?
>> He seemed to forget that this entire thing was just me trying to explain like the laws of logic to someone.
like law of non-contradiction.
So he was arguing against the law of non-contradiction by saying, well, something can be P and not P at the same time if it has other qualities outside of those that specifically distinguish it as P.
>> Yeah. Just like absolute gibberish. just like so confused about. Yeah, because the P uh like could also be also by the way like really for it to work it has to be like that like P equals P it's like that cube is that cube like it wouldn't be that like any cube is any other cube that's like not the exact same thing you know sorry something got stuck in there uh so yeah I don't know why they would think. What a weird thing. Yeah. A weird like to sit here and argue. I love it when they come out and be like, "Well, here I'm going to just prove that logic doesn't work.
Go ahead, go nuts. Like, have fun.
Change the world." You know, there's um fuzzy logic.
There's um uh weird things with set theory. you know about set theory.
>> Uh like in a theater >> um >> because they have sets.
>> Ye kind of the Yeah. Like the set of things in a theater of all things that could be in a theater. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That's basically it. Yeah. I mean um there's weird things that happen, but the way like no no one comes up and argues it that way. It's just kind of it's this [ __ ] where a cube can be not a cube. Uh and then they have no idea what they're talking about.
All right. Well, this one didn't work.
We had one person with a Wi-Fi. Also, I might need to do a restart because I got that um that uh flag >> for your vicious Orbeez hate campaign.
>> Yeah, I'm going to make a whole background that says Orbeez are evil.
[ __ ] I'm going to get it again. What am I doing? Yeah, maybe >> Orbeez are a protected group on Tik Tok.
>> I was I'm I was actually wondering like is Orbeez like also like a slur for some group I don't know about it, right? Like like there's some like there's a country of Orbia that I don't know of and it's like people are like those Orbeez and I'm just like I don't know. I was trying to think like could that mean something?
Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it is.
People who orbit. Isn't that all of us though?
I don't even know what it would be.
Maybe it was maybe it was for cube hate >> or for non cubes.
>> Yeah, >> they're like orbs.
>> Yeah, right. Yeah, non-cubes are orbs.
>> The two genders, cube or orb, >> right? Um, all right. Well, I guess I'll I'll try a restart real quick. Um, it takes just a moment. I got to I'm going to go uh pause the YouTube and then I'll I'll turn this one off. And so come right back over to Tik Tok and we'll uh we'll try it again.
And here's some music that you won't be able to hear for long while we wait.
Heat. Heat.
Hey, hey, hey.
Hey, hey, hey.
Hey, hey, hey.
Welcome back everybody.
All right, for the delay, I took some time to read some emails. nails.
>> That's all right. I was scarfing down some chips um cuz I don't want to blow people's eardrums out. But now that I've got you here, I have a few thoughts about Orbeez that I wanted to share.
>> God damn it. We're going to get in trouble.
Unless it's like they're they're great.
>> They're fine. Um >> hi. Hi. Welcome to Jesus's Evil.
Sponsored by Orbeez. We love them.
>> Sponsored by Orbeez and also Pepsi.
Yeah, you're made of Orbeez. It's fine.
Everyone's Everyone's Orbeez.
>> Everyone Everyone is Orbeez.
>> Isn't it weird how these like um like some random toy or idea like I I still get just like weirded out how these fads happen. You know what I mean? Like um >> I get that >> Dubai chocolate is a big thing right now, too.
>> Oh, still. I thought that like died out like a year ago.
>> Oh, maybe. Yeah, I I just haven't really tried it that much. Shane, did your internet work?
Much better.
Shane, are you there?
>> Oh, hello.
>> Hey, is it working better now? Are you there?
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. What's your age and religion?
>> Uh, I'm 30 and I am Orbeian.
Yeah, I mean everyone is but like uh like are you a Christian or what?
>> Mostly Orbian but some Christian I guess.
>> Just is this like just a troll thing or like is it just the joke just one joke or are you actually do you think Jesus is real or what's the >> No. Yeah, it's a joke thing. I was just ripping off the Orbeez thing because I like Orbeez. You said you hate them.
>> I never said that. I love them. We're sponsored by >> sponsored by them.
>> Yeah. Don't say that. Don't come up here and say that.
>> Uh this is just educational purposes only. Uh I love the Tik Tok shop and I love Orbeez. So um don't listen to that.
Hey Jester, what's your age in religion?
>> I'm 18. I Catholic.
>> All right. Well, as a Catholic, um do you think Jesus is evil?
>> No.
>> Why not?
When what did he do?
>> Well, uh you know, he um let's see. Uh didn't do anything, I guess.
>> So, why is he evil?
>> Well, because a lot of bad things happen that Jesus doesn't, you know, help with.
>> Like what?
>> Like, do are you familiar with the trolley problem? You know the thing where there's like there's five people on one track and one person on another.
Do you know what that that thing in philosophy?
>> Can you repeat my Can you repeat?
>> Yeah. Have you ever heard of the trolley problem?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So there's like uh five people tied to a >> on the trucks and you can pull the lever to kill only one person.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and and then you have to figure out what to do. But I want to present you with like a different version of it. There's a lot of different versions of it, but in this one, there's uh five people on a track and uh there's no other track. And there's just a lever on the train that if you pull it, it stops. So, they don't get, you know, hit by the train or you can not pull it and let the train just go and they don't want to get hit and the train engineer doesn't want to hit them, but they're like asleep. Do you think it'd be good to pull it?
Yes.
>> And if you could pull it and you were in there and you didn't pull it, do you think that'd be kind of evil to just like let these people die?
>> Yes.
>> Right. So that's what Jesus does. That's why he's evil because he lets people die all the time. People get hit by trains in reality and and in the Christian or or Catholic view, he is in the train. He could stop the train and he doesn't. So that's pretty evil. That's what we just said.
Nice tally, Mezo.
>> Thank you.
I've been wanting to make a new uh background that just says, "What would Jesus do?" And it's the trolley problem because people come and say like, "Well, I have this objective morality. I know what all the right stuff is." And I like, "Okay, well then what's the answer to the trolley problem?" It's kind of a fun thing. But then I was realizing like the trolley problem for God does happen.
like people it's like a real >> thing and there's no >> there's times where there's no one else getting hit like the trolley problem for God is a new variable that everyone else we would say you got to pull the lever stop the train even if you're not the one who started the train but with God he doesn't he just lets the the train plow through people so it's a big problem for him being good right right Jester Jester you're muted I don't know if you're talking or if you're >> and sorry my internet is really bad. Uh but uh we have free will. We can't choose to hurt people and don't and if we do this this is our fault, not God.
>> Right.
Yes. That's why I'm saying in this case the will of everyone was to live and to not have a a train hit anybody. Uh and God could have said yes that is your will. I will help you with that and do it. But he still doesn't, right? It's not that there's an evil person driving the train trying to to hurt them. It's just like an accident is happening and he just lets it happen. He lets these people die. That's so evil.
If it would help, you can think of it as like a tornado coming instead of a trolley on tracks.
>> Um, >> or a shark NATO maybe.
>> A shark NATO 2. The second one. Um, if you think of it as a shark 2 was Shano.
It was a volcano that erupted sharks.
They like changed the >> Don't insult my [ __ ] knowledge of the Shark NATO trilogy.
>> There's a third one.
>> Oh, there's more than that.
>> What's the third storm? Cuz it was shark. It was tornadoes and volcanoes.
The third one is Shark Noodle 3. Oh, hell no.
>> Oh, okay.
>> There's more after that, but not canon to me. They introduce time travel.
That's real, by the way.
>> Time sharks.
>> Uh, primarily the people time travel, not the sharks, but I'm sure you know >> there's some old ass sharks. Uh, what's that? What's that oldest shark? There's like a 500y old shark. That's kind of time. like to think >> like to think that there was a shark alive to there's a shark alive right now that was like alive before uh like photography was invented you know what I mean like before the civil war you know uh or as you where you're from they call it the northern oppression I'm sure but like uh isn't that the is that the um what they they call it but uh yeah that's like so weird to think about is it Greenland shark? What's the oldest? Yeah. Oldest Greenland shark.
Uh 400 years.
Yeah. Before the US was started, I guess then.
That's nuts.
>> Yeah. You think that shark knows what happened at at Rowan Oak?
>> Yeah. They just they all the settlers are in this shark. I found them. Yeah, I got them right in here. They're still >> style, >> man. Uh they can go from up to 500, they think. But this one that there's one that they I guess they found it's about 400 years old. Happy birthday >> to uh the Greenland shark. What's a cooler word than rowanoke? That's a pretty cool That's a cool name for a place. I always liked that. And it sounds a little mysterious, which I think is why people have clung to it for so long. If it was like uh >> well, I was going with Paddle Willow and that just doesn't work.
>> Yeah. If it was like the the mystery the mystery of like Yeah. some like shitty name. The mystery of like Derpville.
Everyone be like, "H we don't care much about but Rowan Oak is so >> Hey, what's going on meo? How you doing today?
>> Hey Lolia, what's your age and religion?"
>> Age 25. Religion is a Christian. Nice to see another fellow white man on this platform.
>> Gross.
>> Why gross? just like a weird thing to bring up.
>> Why are you not proud to be white? Come on. We used to conquer all the time, these [ __ ] [ __ ] all the time on the platform, if you know what I'm talking about.
>> I don't know why you're being like this.
Is there like a real reason for this?
>> What do you mean? Do you not hate [ __ ] like me?
>> No, I'm going to block you.
>> Give me a heller. Come on.
>> I hate I hate you and everything you're about.
Uh, what a weird like to to come and try to like sound articulate and be shitty.
What a strange thing.
>> Yeah.
>> It's like the kids when you get like those 12year-olds who just come up and like spam nword as much as they can like grew up and got a job and is just still like that.
>> Yeah. You know what I mean? They haven't had to face like the consequences for their shitty actions yet.
>> Yeah. Really weird. But behold a Christian.
>> Behold the Christian. Uh yeah, that guy his viewpoints were from when this shark was born.
That's when he >> Oh, that's a good call back >> from a second ago.
>> The shark was before the civil war.
>> I've learned that like to be funny, you want to do a call back as immediately as possible.
>> Don't wait too long.
Uh, >> waiting too long. What does this mean?
>> What is it? This shark dying. Waiting too long to die. Just do him all about the shark. We'll get it.
>> All about the Okay.
>> This episode's all about sharks.
Um, okay. Anything over on YouTube?
Nope. Quiet over there. I don't know what's going on. I'm going to stop streaming like >> like forever.
>> Yeah. Guests don't come up anymore.
There's no reason to do >> that.
>> Well, what's the point?
>> Well, it's it's Tuesday and it's pretty early >> and people usually come on Tuesdays, though.
>> Well, I used to come on tit >> when I first started tits, people would come on tits.
>> I genuinely think that Tik Tok has reworked their algorithm to show people things they agree with more >> rather than things they don't.
Interesting.
>> Okay. Well, I can I'll put this up. Uh we can I have something for that. We'll just do one of uh uh I mean I have this one. I might get them in.
>> Oh, there you go.
>> Uh but uh I don't want Okay, >> put the Why should Joel be a Christian one up? That's great.
>> Yeah, there we go. I don't know why the font is smaller on this one. It's like a older image. Uh, back when I was we were using we were using more AI and then we stopped doing this.
>> Yeah. Who is that man?
>> I don't know. I don't know. I think we just someone said make a guy that looks like someone named Joel in the internet uh prompt. They they they kind of nailed it. I mean like to be honest it's like pretty close um sweaterwise.
>> Yeah.
>> He doesn't look like a Joel but he looks like a Joel.
>> A Joel. Okay.
>> Yeah. Well, not any of the Joles that I've met.
>> Uh, there were multiple Joles. Uh, here's this like same guy coming up with a Trump hat. Uh, yeah. I don't I don't know who you are. I'm not for sure not going to let you up. Uh, at least we're getting guests now.
Racist trolls.
Maybe I should just make a background that says racist trolls.
>> Trolls.
>> Racist trolls uh are idiots. Prove me wrong. And then they can come up and uh and do that. Yeah. Because I Why can't you come up? Because I think you're the same guy as the other guy. Obviously, that's why, right?
>> He both is and is not the same guy.
>> Yeah. You're just going to come up and and say uh uh other stuff that's racist and [ __ ] And we don't I don't I'm not interested in I don't think it's interesting. Like I think if if uh like in actual honesty, if someone wanted to come up and be like, "Hey, I was raised to think that racism is true and I want to talk about it." I' I'd get into it with you, but when you're just going to do uh like weird like slurs to try to get the live taken down, I don't think it's interesting.
>> Yeah. And just generally there is no place for racism in in society. Um, like I understand like the tolerance paradox, but like we cannot tolerate intolerance.
>> Um, so [ __ ] like that just not going to fly.
>> I also always think that like tolerance is like uh it just it has such a negative connotation. The the thing of being like, "Yeah, I'll tolerate the gays, but I don't like them." You know what I mean? Like it sounds like you just have to >> Yeah, it's a weird word for it, >> but I mean >> better than >> definitionally it it functions.
>> Yeah, >> but all the the like trolls and the horrible people lately. That's been why I wanted to do like more call screening for mine. Why I was like recruiting the call screeners because yeah, >> I had people come on just say stuff to get my content taken down. Um, and there's not too many ways to stop that from Tik Tok or YouTube natively. You kind of have to put in your own security. You would think that that would be an option, like you could have moderators like vet people within Tik Tok andor YouTube.
>> Uh, but no, you have to jump through like a billion hoops to do it yourself.
Yeah, it'd be cool if like you could even just um bring them on where you can hear them but they can't yet >> and and you just be like, "Hey, just first like let me just hear your voice."
Like people would get through. People would get >> You technically can on on TikTok live studio.
>> Oh, and we can keep hearing you.
>> Uh no, you would have to >> just mute everything.
>> Yeah, you can mute all guests.
>> Mhm. Yeah. It'd be cool if it would be like, "Hey, hold on everyone. I'm talking to person. how old are you? And then okay, I'll turn your mic on now.
You know, they go I also the other function I want is I when we mute them, they can't unmute until I say so. And of and I want the one that's like uh I'm going to unmute you. And then in order to unmute, you have to choose yes or no.
and it'll show on screen what it was. So that I I like I know Tik Tok has no reason to implement this, but for like a debate thing when you're like asking a yes or no question and they're not doing it to be like you're muted until you say yes or no and then you can answer and you can respond and say why you chose yes or why you chose no, but you you're locked until you actually like agree to one of those or you can [ __ ] drop. Uh I think that would be so cool. That'd be so useful. Um, Shane, did you become a Christian yet?
>> Uh, I don't know. Do you talk to deconstructing people or no?
>> You know, sometimes if you're still like a leftover believing in stuff, but if you're like an atheist who's kind of like sorting out some other stuff, then normally we talk to you on Sunday mornings. We do atheist Sunday school.
But what do you what do you believe in?
Like what's your where are you at right now? Well, I just I do just want to point out that Shane absolutely did comment, "Do you take Christian Larpers about two minutes ago?"
>> Oh, no, we don't do that.
>> Oh, I did. I did. Well, that Yeah, that was like three or four minutes ago. I did I did comment that.
>> Yeah, we your faith has changed in the last three or four minutes.
>> Um, more so my attitude.
Okay. So, normal. Yeah. So, I think like Sunday morning would be good. If you want to come talk about your deconstruction process or something, that's what you want to do. Well, I mean like there are teachings that I think about a lot that I learned from like >> supposedly Christian people that maybe I could hear like your thoughts on if you >> wanted.
>> I don't understand what you mean. You you heard a teaching from a Christian and you want to know what I think about it? Is that it?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sure. What teaching did you hear about?
>> Uh so the teaching is that uh people and Christians uh can get demons in them through sin uh knowingly or unknowingly and then that kind of causes like problems in your life.
>> Yeah, that's that's not true. Demons aren't real. So that's that's my thought on that.
Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Sorry, my brain broke for a second cuz like that's like a thing that I was thinking out thinking about for a long time. So, >> yeah, demons aren't real uh things.
that's a madeup supernatural mythological being that does isn't real.
Just like uh uh you know um centaurs or uh or um fairies, demons. It's like >> wombats.
>> Wombats. Yeah. Uh sharks, right? Like these are things that are >> wombats are a thing.
>> No. And so, um, these are things that are were made up to, uh, describe like, you know, I bet with demons a lot of it was like, uh, someone just has epilepsy.
Yeah, I think that that that was probably a thing that happened where someone had, you know, um, a seizure and there and and if you ever seen someone have a seizure, >> mom culture >> in what?
>> In Mong culture, um, it's it's spelled H O N G. Mong.
>> Mom.
>> Mong.
>> Oh, >> mom. Sorry.
>> Yeah. So, in Mong culture, those with like epileptic um conditions are seen as shamans and spiritual leaders because >> um they are said to possess a connection with spirits >> um potentially evil spirits.
>> Um >> so yeah, in in the Mong tradition, uh yeah, precisely what you described. And in the mom tradition, um just uh I want you to know that Nancy from work, her uh kid uh you probably remember them. They have been taking piano lessons and uh and they they did a recital uh and it was at the the place that used it used to be a theater and they com like a movie theater and they converted it into a little concert hall. You remember at the old old place there? Um, and then, uh, when they did the show, we went to watch even though, uh, we don't have kids in the house anymore, uh, as his mom tradition. Uh, so um, you but do you remember NY's kid, Eric?
>> Uh, yeah, sure. That's cool. So, are are you going to send the 50 bucks today or?
>> Yeah, I Yeah, I'll I'll be sure to send that to you. Okay, Shane, thanks for that. Thanks for the mom culture. Okay.
That's a classic mom move. Talk about NY's kid from from their their work.
That's like the main I think the main thing.
>> Talk too much.
>> Yeah.
>> How is it there?
>> Good. Uh, hey Justice, what's your age and religion?
My religion is Dutch reformed. It's like a Protestant religion of Christianity.
>> Okay.
>> And then my age is 46.
>> Great. Um, so we're talking about if God was evil, would you know if God was evil, would we still be here?
>> Maybe.
So yeah, you can think about it in many, but we're a moment ago we were talking about demons, but even the Bible is speaking about not to call upon spirits and ghosts. So whether you believe it or not, if you believe in the Bible, you need to believe in that one also.
>> Yeah, but those aren't uh real. Like spirits and ghosts are pretend.
Yeah, but the Bible speaks about it that our Lord God says or to the to the people in the Bible that it's forbidden to call upon spirits and ghosts.
>> But is it >> so if the messenger is not to call upon spirits and ghosts, >> it means that they existing.
>> Maybe they're just saying don't call on them because it doesn't work. They're not real.
Why would you forbid something like why you for why would they >> God forbids a bunch of weird stuff, right? Like he his rules are nuts often.
Like there's a lot of rules that are crazy and don't make any sense. So >> yeah, like the very first one, don't eat the fruit.
>> Yeah, stupid. Bad rule. Yeah, great point.
>> Why Why is that stupid then?
>> Because the fruit would teach you about like morality, right and wrong, good and evil.
Yeah, but the first humans were immortal. They became mortal after eating the fruit.
>> They didn't have to. God God did that after.
>> He could have said, "You ate the fruit, but you can also live forever."
>> That is the punishment for eating the fruit.
>> Yeah, that was [ __ ] up. So, that's what I'm saying. It's a good example of another one of God's rules. If you uh want to know right and wrong, you have to die. Hey, that's a bad rule. Um, you know, there's a whole bunch of rules that don't make any sense. And, uh, don't talk to ghosts is kind of a silly rule, too. Although, I guess that it's like they should the rule should have been like ghosts aren't real, so don't even waste your time, you know?
>> But that's depending on who you ask. If you then look in the the world situation, I think there's like more than 40% or less than 40%, but around 40% that believes in ghosts and spirits. Yeah, that's why we should uh work on that. We should correct that probably, right? We should lower that number. Do you think ghosts are real?
>> Ghosts?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I believe in the Bible, so yes, I believe that what the Bible preaches that it's supposed to be real.
>> What do you think a ghost is? Like someone dies and then they their like spectral spirit is on Earth winkering around?
>> Uh, no. So I need to so for my learning from the Bible is that the body or a human being is existing out of three parts. The physical body, the soul and the spirit. Don't ask me what is the difference between the soul and spirit.
I I cannot think about it right now. But I think part of the soul can still linger on with attachments.
So it doesn't go to heaven or hell.
>> That is also my opinion. I'm not saying that everyone will agree with it, but some religion the idea is after you die, you either go to heaven or hell. But you're saying you also might just hang out on earth.
>> Yeah. But it doesn't say when will you go to heaven and hell.
>> After it says after you die.
>> Yes. But after you die, you live forever. Either in hell or in heaven.
But the the kingdom of heaven will come to earth.
Okay? In in the last chapter of the Bible in Revelations, the kingdom of heaven will come to earth.
And that is when all the people but it never states anywhere in the Bible that after you die, immediately you're in heaven.
Immediately you're in hell. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible.
H that's a good question. Yeah, I don't know if it does or not. Um like they don't really uh answer it, but also I just don't think it happens at all. Like I don't think you go to heaven or anything. Um but there is this stuff about how like um where is it here? Uh so is one diesel. They all the same breath. Um all are all go to one place.
All are from dust. All return to dust again. Who knows whether the human spirit goes upward uh and the animal goes down. Yeah, I guess it doesn't say right away. So, you're saying that the idea like when Jesus is talking about, you know, coming to heaven and hell after you die. Uh, he was kind of being misleading. He was like after you like a while after you die.
>> Like when he says to the to the thief, "Today you shall be with me in paradise." He meant like in a long time from now. Today >> when when the day is there upon us that the chosen ones or the person who are Aside from the chosen one because that aside you have the US people 44 * 44 blah blah blah those who are the chosen people of the Jewish people but then you also have yeah the good people and the bad people so to speak the one who go to heaven >> and those who will go to the fiery pits of hell.
>> Okay now and then >> how delightfully unrelated. Um so I' I have to go unfortunately it turns out you're supposed to return to work after your lunch break.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. It's just like uh it's not like this where it's like after lunch and it's like weeks after lunch.
It's like after lunch you go right >> immediately after like today.
>> Pretty common knowledge. All right.
Well, I'm glad that you could um you know eat your chips.
>> Thank you. Oh, I did loudly.
>> I didn't I didn't hear any of it. You're fine. Um so, Justice, I don't think any of this is true or relevant or interesting. I think what's would be more interesting is if you could like show that ghosts are real or demonstrate a soul or a spirit in some way or a god at all. Is there anything that you could do to make us think any of that's true?
>> And there is a story in the Bible that preaches about someone coming back to life, Lazarus, and then he has stories about what he experienced.
>> But Justice, that's not true. that didn't really happen.
>> How you know it didn't happen?
>> So, the Bible has a bunch of mythology in it of stuff that didn't really happen. Uh it's not a real like factual story of history.
>> So, it's like the the climate hoax.
Scientists are saying, "Oh, the world is going to end in so many years." And then it doesn't happen.
>> Yeah. It's just like that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But that's that's that's a religion for you. Religion is having faith. Having faith >> in things that don't happen or didn't happen or can't happen.
>> We were not there. So I cannot judge for everyone else.
>> Well, you are jud you're saying it did happen. You're judging that a supernatural event happened with no evidence. Right. So So you are judging it as true with zero evidence, which is like nuts, right? And then for me to be like, "Yeah, I don't think a guy came back to life." I think that's a fair assumption to lean into since everyone else we've seen died didn't come back to life. Right? There's a ton of evidence in favor of me thinking that that happened the same way it does every other time in history. And for you to go, "Well, because it was written down, I think it's true that a guy came back to life." I just think that that's nutso buto.
>> Yeah. But the thing is the Bible that that we read now it's of course a bunch of books together but there are many testimonies about this person coming back to life like Jesus coming back to life that he that he died many testimonies that he was died crucified stabbed pulled off the cross and that he was dead there are >> it's just the one so it's from the Bible it says that but if the Bible isn't true, which it's not, then that's just not a these are not true stories.
>> So the Bible is a bunch of stories told by apostles. I'm talking about the New Testament. So different apostles having their own testimonies. So they are a little bit like he sees it in that way and he sees it a little bit like he was stabbed on the left side and he was stabbed on the right side, you know, like that discrepancies.
But the overall story is the discrepancy is that a guy came back to life. That's the part where we go, this didn't happen. Once that part is in the story, we go, I don't believe these guys, right? This is nuts. You know, just like if I was telling you a story about um how I was just like walking through the woods and on a hike and then I came across a Sasquatch campground and I hung out with all these Sasquatch for a while and then I teleported away to the moon.
You would probably think that story wasn't true because of the supernatural elements, right? The hike part, the Sasquatch part, like you're on board.
This is all fine. Teleporting to the moon. Wait a minute. There's a there's an error in the story here. That didn't happen. Right? So, once you hear the magic part, someone came back to life, walked on water, teleported to the moon, then you go, "This isn't true anymore. I don't believe this story anymore." At least not from written evidence. because it's written down. That's not a good enough reason to believe something crazy happened.
Writing a written testimony will never be enough evidence for a miracle ever.
Miracles need way more evidence than someone said. So, >> but you need to also consider 2,000 years ago, there were not a lot of video cameras in that time.
>> Yep. Good reason not to think. lot of things to to record anything.
>> Yep. Then we should not jump to any supernatural conclusions because we don't have any kind of good evidence like that. Yeah.
>> No. Yeah. The dead cloth because when Jesus was buried, they put like a cloth over him. That is at the moment in the Vatican City somewhere in a museum. One of those.
>> Yeah.
>> The Vatican museum has a lot of museums.
So >> that's him dead though, not alive.
>> That was when he died. Yes.
>> Yeah. That's proof that that's proof that he died. He's dead. And by the way, you know what? It's not cuz like he was all bloody. So when you put that cloth on him, the blood is there. If he got up and like took it off, it would have smeared blood, but it was still there.
So it's just proof that he is still was like still dead, you know, never came back.
>> Ah, no, no, no. When when they laid his body to rest, they washed his body first.
>> Then why is then why is there blood on it? And because there is no blood on it, there are stains on it.
>> Where does it say they washed his body?
Where's that?
>> But that uh it's in the Bible. Just read it. That is a normal funeral, right?
>> So what? So it's just the stains are just from like his dirty skin.
>> How do I explain it? If you put like your bed sheets on something for a long while, the dust settles in or whatever.
>> Yeah.
>> Leaves marks. How how long does that if you if you just if you just cleaned Yeah. Yeah. You just cleaned like you just took a shower or they just cleaned him. How long would it take for stains to like permanently stain a sheet?
>> Yeah. But you're now talking about a human body, right? Like it would take months.
>> But a body is existing out of skin cells, >> right?
>> Hair follicles and things like that. So it goes quicker with that one.
So, you're saying God has dirtier skin than humans?
>> Like deities uh like stain sheets more than humans do or something like that?
>> Not not more or not less than any other.
Remember, he was made human, made flesh.
>> Okay. So, how long would it take for a clean dead body to stain a sheet?
>> I have no idea. probably like weeks or months to like permanently stain it. It would have to be there for a long time.
>> I don't think so. I think you think in 3 days enough like body oil. By the way, a dead body isn't producing new oils or anything. So, it would it wouldn't do that.
>> So, so like there's no reason for this to be here.
>> You can test it in the house. You buy a fresh fish, dead fish. You put it in a towel. Let's see what happens after 2 days after >> and wash wash the fish off and put it and and then see if that towel gets stained for like years >> or days because Jesus raising back to life after 3 days.
>> So is that what >> you don't need to wait. You don't need to wait.
>> Just to be clear. So you're saying the shroud of Tin the the the markings on that are from body oils and not from blood.
>> Yes. Okay. Is that what the official statement of the Vatican is or is that just your your own thing you made up?
>> That is my own thing.
>> Okay. They all say it's a blood.
>> The thing the thing about faith and believing is it's like >> you just >> I never I never seen $1 million or euros cash on my table.
>> Doesn't mean that I don't believe that it doesn't exist that I didn't see it.
>> What? Yeah.
>> Did you ever see Did you ever see a million money? I think money does exist.
>> Exactly.
>> But you've never seen a flying unicorn on a table. So, do you think that exists?
>> No. Also, >> why why not?
>> Because the How do I explain it? Wait, let me think about how to explain that one first.
>> It's magical. It's supernatural. It's mythology. Well, supernatural thing that that you don't believe it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>> So, you do think maybe unicorns are >> maybe they did exist because many people are talking about it.
>> Yeah. I think that I think that you have that's the right view as a Christian. If you think that like uh uh you know the the miracles and stuff can happen, you have to think maybe unicorns. Yeah. uh gnomes, mummies, fairies, uh ogres, wizards, all this stuff is is uh like really likely. Uh this is all stuff that's like just as likely as it's not.
It's like a 50/50. Um and you're right, people talked about it, so it probably uh in your view did happen. Now, as a as a skeptic, as an atheist, I would say I don't think this stuff is real. I don't think that uh unicorns are real. I think people just made it up, right? Um but yeah, I think you're right. As a Christian, you have to kind of uh accept all the supernatural mythological beings as being uh equally possible, right?
>> The thing is also no one nowadays have seen a dinosaur for real except that we seen it in the movies and we see the bones in the museum.
Same like with Jesus, we see the scriptures. We see all the drawings and the 100 or more plus testimonies what he did when he was alive about the miracle things that he did.
>> It's not just one person.
>> Written testimonies don't make something true.
>> And by the way, we don't have a hundred testimonies. There's only four gospels.
>> So, no, there are many more than that.
>> Who who else has a written testimony of Jesus? Yeah. But but besides that, so you say >> No, no, hold on. You just said you just said there's a hundred testim.
>> I will I will I will go back to it later.
>> No, let's do it right now. Who are the hundred Who are the hundred witnesses to Jesus?
>> I will come back to it in a minute.
>> No, no, I want to do it right now.
>> Did you graduate from college or university?
>> Who are the hundred?
>> Yeah, wait for it. Did you graduate? So, do you mean your diploma is written down? It doesn't.
>> Okay, Justice, you made a big wild crazy claim. We're going to talk about it.
Hey, back with something. What's your age and religion?
>> Um, 40.
>> Good.
>> Christian.
>> Okay, slow down a little with these answers cuz Justice is trying to unmute, too. Uh, Justice, I muted you. You made a crazy claim and you're brushing past it. It's not true and we caught you on it. So you said there are hundred this it's not true. Run away. Good.
Okay. Hey back with um so what do you think if God was evil? Would you even know it?
>> Uh yes.
>> How would you know?
>> I would know because um like >> just like how they acted or something. I like things like morality will be um chaos um everybody in this world will be born with no legs.
Um >> that's interesting. Why? Why would that >> or blind?
>> That's interesting. Everybody will be born with no legs.
>> Everybody. Everybody. Death or blind.
>> Why would that be?
>> That would that would show me that God would be evil. because God is like uh torturing us or something like that.
>> No, I'm gonna say that. I would say that because the question is um how would I know, >> right? Yeah, that's what you would know that that was so bad because God made us born that way to harm us or something.
Yeah. Yeah, I see I that's an interesting point.
>> Um yeah, but but we know that God is uh good because everyone is born with legs and sight and stuff, right?
>> Um well, yeah. Well, I would say that >> Oh, [ __ ] You know what? Some Yeah, some people aren't though. That's That is confusing.
>> Yeah, I was getting there. Yeah, I was getting there. Um, so that would show me that um that there are there are what you call it? Um um >> special please.
>> Oh, no, no, no, no. It's a um deformity there. That's another word for deformity. Um disa disabled. That's a word. I I'll come back to it. But anyway, uh there are some people that are that are born with some type of disabled um disabled uh disabilities that um you know just had to do with their, you know, with their genetics and everything like that. You know what I mean? But it's not.
>> But since you're saying God could make us all born without legs and blind. Uh but now if we're going to say that he's good, then everyone should be born with legs and with uh sight and wings probably, right? Like uh so why like do you think God is good?
>> Well, I think you dismissed something because the question was uh what why would how would I know that God are evil if everyone on this planet would be born without legs? But there aren't people that are born without legs like you.
>> So now I'm switching it. How do we know God is good? Well, everyone's born with legs and sight. But that's not true. So now we know that God isn't evil and we know God isn't good. So I think this is I think it's a good point that you made.
>> No, I I think I think that that that um we know that God isn't evil because not everyone are born with um with with with with our legs. It can't see it, can't see it, can't hear. But but for the but but but the world that we live in right now, God is good because for the fact that you can see >> you said that opposite of that.
>> I didn't get that. I I I'm getting there. So that you can see there are people who have disabilities that literally praise God anyway. I know I know a person that has no legs, right?
That still give God the glory. Why is that?
>> I don't know. I wouldn't.
>> Okay. Right. So, you ungrateful?
>> Probably he was indoctrinated as a kid.
>> No, probably because he's grateful, right? Because God still gave him life even though they he doesn't he's about No, no, hold on. You didn't get the point.
>> Go ahead. I I'm understanding what you're saying. I'm following along. So even though even though he was um even though he has these deficiencies, right, he still give God the glory because uh he still has life. Meaning that he's grateful, right?
>> Yeah. Right.
>> So God is saying I don't mind making this guy uh born without legs because he's still going to like me. So I don't have to give him legs or something.
>> God didn't God didn't make anything happen. I said there are deficiencies and there are disability that people are born with due to their genetics, right?
But even with those deficiencies and even with those genetics, people still give God the glory because he's worthy to be praised. So with you, you there is no excuse with you. See, with you, you have your legs. You can see, you can hear.
>> I don't know what you're I don't know what point you're getting to now. You made your point about the guy and now you already landed about the guy. But here's my question to you. I don't believe in God. Just calm down.
>> So what I'm saying is uh and I talk about this on when we go to evil island.
Sometimes we'll make this point where like uh imagine we go to some island and there's a a people there that have like never interacted with humanity and they have like this uh uh never seen us and we've never seen them. It's like a uncharted um uh island and when we go there they say, "Oh wow, you're here.
There's other people. That's exciting.
You have to leave right away. There's a God here that is all powerful and all evil and knows everything and it wants the worst for you. Um, so you have to get out of here right away cuz it could just it could just take your legs right now, right? You know, and you look around and go, "Sure, I I guess there are some people who have like that person has is missing a foot and that that seems bad, but that person's on a hammock, they're fine, and this person seems to just be drinking a Mai uh on the beach." So, it's kind of like I don't believe this god is real, right?
That's the evil god that you don't believe in. But when we go back to, you know, the mainland, it's the reverse. We say over here there's an all good God who's all powerful and wants the best for us. You go, sure, I get it. There's people on hammocks and my ties, but that guy's missing a foot. And even though he's still worshiping and praying and and and loves the God and is grateful for their life, the all powerful God could give that guy a foot. Why not give him a foot?
Oh, that's a good question. How How about this? Let's Let's Let's give a guy No, listen. I got you. How about let's give a guy that thinks like you a foot.
Why would God do that for you?
>> Say that one more time.
>> Let's say the guy that you want that you said that God should give him a foot.
Let's just say that he thinks like you.
You say, "I believe in God like you do."
But you want him to you want God to give him a foot. Why should God Why should God Why should God cater to someone that hates him or don't even believe in him?
That's that's the main thing that bothers the mind.
>> Yeah. If he's all good. Yeah. If he's all good, then he should all Everyone should be all foot, >> right? But you're not all good. That's the thing. Because in order for you Yes.
Yes.
>> I'm not. But if God is, then he if I were all good, >> if I were all good and all powerful, I would give everyone feet even about to show you what you're talking about is nonsense.
>> If you was to have if if Okay, let's say that you're a good person. Are you a good person?
>> I'm really good at person. If I'm being honest, people say I'm like one of the best at person.
>> Okay. I would challenge you to go to Skitro and grab one of the homeless people that's there and cater for them for two years.
Okay.
>> Would you be able to do something like that? Even if even Yeah. Even if they Yeah. Even if even if >> you could do you could do one person from Skip Roll have >> I used I used to go I used to go down there and I would bring stuff to them, >> but I didn't have a home that had room.
>> Sir listen, sir. You You're a good person, right? So you're a good person.
You're a kind person.
>> I want you to find a homeless person that's there that's a Christian, right?
someone that think differently than you do and you house them for two years.
>> No, you don't have to I didn't say convert them. I said to grab a person like help them out.
>> Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Because even though even even though Right. Even though No, even though they think differently like you. I said to preach your religion to them. I said for somebody to um to think differently like you, just have them come to your home for two years. You cater to them. Even now, they might not be perfect. They might they might smell a certain type of way. They might have some some some some habits that you might not like and everything like that, but you can't kick them out. You can't what if what if they were a bad person?
>> Would it still be good? Would it No, this is my question. If they were a piece of [ __ ] >> would it still be good for me to like it would be a good act for me to care for them?
>> Um, what do you mean by bad person? What do you mean by a bad person?
>> They're like uh um like they spit on babies. It's like when strollers come by, they're like >> Oh, that's cuz I didn't mention that in my scenario.
I'm asking about this person that I'm gonna invite to my house. What if they're mean and and they're like just a real piece of [ __ ] Should I would it still be good for me to help them out?
>> Oh, what do you think?
>> Would you do it?
>> I think it I think it still would be good for me to help them out >> even though they spit on babies.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. That's You would do that. You're I don't know. I don't know if people believe you, but I I I guess you're saying this because you want to help out your your your your point, but we both know it's not true.
>> Beck, this is this is a hypothetical.
Hold on. Hold on.
>> Right.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Stop. Slow, Beck, slow down a little bit. Just slow down a little bit.
>> What you're saying is it would be Are you okay?
>> Yeah. I'm laughing because you said you would take care of the person that spit on babies. Man, it's crazy. Go ahead.
>> No, no, I'm not saying I would do that.
I'm asking you in the hypothetical, would it be good for me to do that even if they were bad?
>> Right? That's why I was asking you, would you do it?
>> No. Listen to the question.
I'm good. If they're a good person with a different view and I house them, that makes me good. That's me being good to them.
>> What if they're bad? What if they're bad >> back? Are you just follow along? It's good for me to help someone who's good, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Is it good for me to help someone who's bad? It's still good for me, right?
>> I'm still being good.
>> Oh, would you? That's what I'm asking you. Would you do it?
>> I'm not asking who would do it. I'm saying if I could do it and I did it, would Yeah. Yes. So, I do it back. So, let's say I help a good person. Did I do a good thing?
>> Wait a minute. Thank you. So, okay. So, >> back. You got to answer this. You got to answer this or I'm going to move on. If I help someone who's bad, did I do a good thing? somebody this bad. Would you do good to know? No, it's not just.
>> Okay, I'm not saying just was it kind?
>> No, it was it was it was it was not.
I'mma tell you why.
>> Okay. They're bad. I should leave them in on Skid Row, right?
>> Do you know why? Do you know why that's bad?
>> To help somebody.
>> No. Tell me why it's bad to help people.
>> I'm sorry about this.
So, you're cutting in and out a little bit, but you're you're going to say as a Christian why you think it's bad to help people.
>> Okay. Listen. No, no, no, no. Hold on.
No. We gonna stay right there. We're gonna stay right there. I want you. You tell us why it's bad to help people.
>> Oh, gosh, man. All right. Okay. First of all, man, um um you you accepted the fact, right, that you are a good person because you were taking someone that even though they're spitting on babies, you will still take him in and that'll make you a good person. Even though that you're being kind, you're being kind this person, right?
>> They still they still need some food and a place to stay.
>> But what about the baby?
>> Yeah, I could help them out, too. I could clean the spit off their face.
>> Well, they just got you could Okay, so you So, you going you going to do all of this? You going to clean the spit out the face and all that? That's what you would do.
>> Sure.
>> Why would you do it?
>> And by the way, by housing the person, the spitter, they're not going to be spitting on any more babies because they're going to be at my house. I can take care of them and I don't have babies here. You know, I have kids, but we could put like a mask on the kid or something like that so that bounces off.
Yeah.
>> So, would you explain the the homeless man what he did was wrong and not to do it again?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, great. Okay, great.
>> And I would help him out, right? And hey, hey, um, I'm going to help you out as for future. Maybe don't spit on kids, but whether you do or not, I'm going to help you out. Do you think that I'm being good by doing that or >> Right. Right. We're getting somewhere now. We're getting somewhere. Yeah, you are being good about doing it. And also, you got to inform them too, right? That since I'm taking you in, right, and I'm asking you not to >> not because I'm taking you in. That's not why. Just letting you know I I'm against baby spitting, but I think it would be uh good to help you anyways.
>> Okay, that's the same thing. Okay, so I'm going to help you out anyway because you're spitting on babies and I just explained to you not to do it, right?
And since I'm doing this for you, since I'm being kind, I need you to respect me as the I need the respect from you because I'm the one being kind to you.
So you must offer me disrespect because because the moment you disrespect me, right, I can kick you out of my home because you're not being grateful for the things I've done for you.
>> Correct. Says you want to play this game.
>> Did you just say you're correct?
>> Correct. Oh, I'm asking you if I'm correct.
>> I don't understand the point of >> Okay, I'll say Okay, I'll say it again.
No problem. I know you're supposed to play like you're supposed to play this game. You're supposed to play dumb.
Okay, so >> pay back. Just hold on a second. Just so you know.
>> I thought you said jokes. You said be warning. Yeah. Yeah. Stop talking for a second. You're talking really fast and you're changing the hypothetical at a million miles an hour. I I don't understand it.
>> Okay.
>> If I don't understand it, I'm going to ask you to clarify it. And it's okay.
That's okay. Do you want me to understand you?
>> Yes, sir. And I'm I'm going to say it again.
>> Slow the [ __ ] down.
>> Okay. Okay. I'm going to slow the [ __ ] down. Thank you.
>> All right. Relax.
>> All right. All right. So, relax. Just so we know where we're at. Before I was trying to figure out if it was good to help someone who's bad and you said yes, it was still good of me or no, it's not good of me.
>> Anyway, man, so you said out of your >> Just so just so I know where we're at before you do the next part, >> I'm going to remind everybody.
>> The question we were at is I was saying, is it good to help someone who's bad or is it bad to help someone who's bad?
What was your answer to that?
>> I know what I said. Okay. What was your answer to that?
>> I'm going to repeat what you said.
>> Yeah. I'm just asking what your answer was to that question.
>> That it was kind to help somebody bad.
Yes, >> it is kind. Okay, that's a good thing.
Okay. Good. Good. Now you can go ahead.
Now we know where we are.
>> Okay. Since it's kind to help somebody that's bad. When I asked you, are you going to explain to the homeless man not to spit on the baby? You said yes. Good.
That's called respect. He had to respect the the boundaries that you have. Now that he done the act, now you put a a a a um a boundaries. Don't do it again.
Okay. Because that would be consider Okay. You were you said you said that you explain to him why he did this bad and not to do it again. That's what you said.
>> Sure. But you're adding a bunch of stuff like because I helped you, you must never spit on someone again. I wouldn't do that.
>> But but but that is it is it is it is it kind to to just let somebody do that?
>> To let someone spit?
>> Yes.
>> No. I I don't have babies in my house.
No, it doesn't matter that. Okay. So, so it's not kind to let somebody spit.
Okay. Good. Okay. So, now you now that you explained to the homeless man not to spit on the baby because it's not a kind thing to do. I just put a boundary. Now, you must show me disrespect since I'm taking you in in my home. Do not break this rule. That's called respect. Now, with >> I would do that, >> bro. This guy's acting like he's dumb, bro.
>> Dude, you're changing the hypothetical a million miles a second again.
If it's me and I wouldn't have like kick out. What I would do is put a mask on him or something and not let him spit. Like I would just make it where he can't.
>> But that's not what Hey, host. That's not what you said earlier. Stop playing games, man.
>> I I'm trying really I'm really trying to track you.
>> Hey, host. Host. I'm genuinely trying to track your conversation here.
>> Hey, host. Host. I'm going to repeat what you said.
>> Okay. What did I say?
>> So, you said that you will explain to the homeless man not to spit on the baby. Correct.
>> Yes. But I did not say >> Shut the [ __ ] up for a second, dude.
Shut the [ __ ] up.
>> You did not say that. That's a like rule where if you do it, I'm kicking you out.
You added that and I'm saying no to that.
>> Okay. So, if you're telling if you're explaining to this price, dude.
>> Okay. If you're explaining to this homeless man not to spit on the baby, that's not a rule, you dummy. No, I'm saying, hey, I listen listen to the way I said it. I said, "Hey, it's really not good to do that. I would encourage you not to do that."
>> Okay. I don't know. I don't care how many times you try to word it, you dummy. It's still a rule.
>> I didn't say it's a rule.
>> All right. What if he does it again?
Since you want to play that game with your glasses all thick, man. Go ahead.
>> If he spits on a kid again.
>> Yes. After you told him not to do it, it's not good to do it. If I'm all good, I would block the spit with my hand and then give uh the baby a candy bar and give the guy a candy bar. Everyone >> good. Okay. Okay. Good. So, if he does it again, even after you block the after, he's not getting it.
>> Just keep doing it. Keep >> Yeah. Just block the Okay. So, when do you when do you punish the act?
>> I don't have to punish him. I'm just blocking. So when you So when you deal with your child, right, and you and you telling your child, "Hey, Sunny, stop messing with the stove. He keeps doing it. I'm just going You going to tie him up to a chair?" What are you going to do to have that child not go to the stove?
>> If if I'm all powerful in this scenario, >> I'm talking about you as a parent.
>> Oh, as Oh, as a human, yeah, it's different.
>> What do you mean it's different?
>> Yeah. As a human, we have limitations.
So, we're going to have to like enforce things in certain ways and say, "This is going to hurt you, so I'm going to like keep you." The rule is don't go in the kitchen or something like that.
>> If he does it again, >> does what?
>> If the child does it again, goes to the kitchen and mess up for Yeah. He's not listening to your words.
>> I said, "Don't come in the kitchen."
>> It's still going to the kitchen. What do you do next?
>> Put him out of the kitchen.
>> Right. He does it again.
>> How many times do I have to put him out of the kitchen? Like, what? I >> He's not learning. He's not. Let's say he's going to learn by just you just putting him out of the kitchen. You just are Are you assuming that he's going to learn by you just putting him out the kitchen?
>> Yeah. After a while, kids do learn from that.
>> Yeah. What if you move them out of the kitchen and after a while they go, "Oh, I can't go in the kitchen. I I keep it there." Okay. So, he does it again just because he keeps like that.
>> Just put him out. Okay. He's just going to do it forever.
>> Yeah.
>> He's going to do it forever. Just ingenuous, man. Okay, that's fine.
>> Why Why wouldn't I? What would you suggest? I let him I let him come in the kitchen and burn himself.
>> So you won't yell at him. So you won't yell at him.
>> If I'm all powerful.
>> I'm I'm talking to you as a human being.
>> Me as a human.
>> No, I would say don't come in the kitchen.
>> Right. Right. He does it again.
>> Don't come in the kitchen.
>> You go to work. He does it again.
>> I leave him home alone.
>> Well, yeah. I mean like like like Okay.
Say like with the with the with the mother or whatever he does. He's being disrespectful to the mom.
>> This is the hard thing. So, like the reason that I'm having a hard time with your hypothetical is because you're like you're like wavering in and out of like reality and hypothetical fantasy. So, back hold on let me let me explain to you why. Because sometimes it's like imagine it's like this and then it's like this but you have superpowers and um just I'm not living in a world I'm talking to you about this conversation for a second and why it's not productive. So, just listen for a second cuz I want to understand you. If in the hypothetical you're like wavering in and out of reality, it's hard to track. If you're saying, let's just do a hypothetical that's like you're all powerful and you have a kitchen and a child that doesn't listen, then I can think about that hypothetical. If you're asking in reality, what do you actually do? Yeah, I'm going to ground my kid. If you come in the kitchen again, no screen, so I give them some consequence and so they think, oh, I don't want to do that. Right? For sure. In reality, we're stuck with our limitations and there's certain things. We're talking about a God in the scen and the reason we're talking about this isn't because we're questioning my parenting skills.
That's not what this is about. We're talking about God who's all powerful, right? Can do anything, right?
>> Do you agree with that? That's the point. The point of this conversation is to bring us back to the religious.
>> So, with the God, he can help the guy on Skid Row and help the baby not get spit on. He can do both.
for me that for for you and me that's a difficult thing to do. I don't have an extra room in my house to put uh homeless people in. God does. He has a house uh with he has infinite rooms, >> right? So So he can do both those things and he doesn't.
>> In reality, there's babies that get spit on and there's people who are on skid row that don't get help. So we know God's not real, >> right? Okay. So again, all right. So, so, so again, man, doesn't matter how the scenario you try to put it at the end of the day, right? Um, I know and I know and you know >> 11:00. It's not like it's like A.M.
still here.
>> All right, man. Hey, bro. You and I know, right? You will not take in a homeless Christian. We know this. We know this for a fact. And another thing, >> I'll just say yes. I would I would never do that. I would [ __ ] I would go kick that that person and I would never give him anything. Next point. So, so you you you coming off a world that you thinking God should cater to a non-believer that talks like you that blasphe right. So you think that oh you know what because because I'm because I'm good even though he's disrespecting me.
I don't know who would >> I'll spit on that. Right. Right. Right.
Right. Right.
>> If he was all good he would still help me.
>> Says who? You.
>> God says like that's what goodness.
>> No wait hold on hold on hold on.
>> Yeah. And yes. Wait wait wait wait wait.
Hold on. Wait. Hold on. Your definition of good can't trump what God knows what's to be good. You You're basically saying you're basically trying to have authority over what God knows. What definition of what good is. You don't know. You don't have the standard. You can't talk at You got the standard, bro.
>> You can't.
>> I don't know. What are you talking about?
>> Okay. This is what I'm talking about.
This is what I'm talking about.
>> You're coming off.
>> Why are you changing the conversation?
>> I'm about to explain to I'm about to explain to you. You're coming off that you're coming off as you have the standard of good.
>> Okay. Here's my question then. If I'm if I'm flipping off God >> and I'm being mean to God, >> is it bad for him to give me legs?
>> Is it bad for him to give you legs?
>> Is it bad for him to cure me from cancer?
>> Why Why should God What? This is the question. I'm flipping off God and I have cancer. Would it be bad for him to >> You don't believe in God? Would What you mean it would be bad? It would be bad for him to heal you. It it >> I'm asking you your opinion if I have Listen to Listen to it.
>> Is it an evil act for God to heal me from cancer because I'm mean to God?
>> I'm answering it. It won't be consistent to what he teaches.
>> So this turn the other cheek stuff is like not true.
>> Yeah. Hello.
Are you there?
This the treat your enemies with love.
This uh turn the other cheek stuff is all just like false, not true, bad teachings.
>> Hello.
>> Are you there?
>> Oh, sorry about that, man. I told this person not to call me no more. Go ahead.
So the question is, if I say I have cancer and I'm flipping off God, would it be evil for him to cure me?
>> It would it would it be evil for him to cure? No, it would.
>> Okay.
>> Would would it be evil for him to cure you?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, no, no, no. Answer my questions for me, my friend.
>> So if that's Listen, so a person that's being disrespectful to God, you expect him to heal you. Then you said that would it be good for not expecting anything?
>> It would be It would be good.
>> Why are you yelling at me?
>> It would be good. It would be good.
>> Why are you so mad right now?
>> It would be It would be good not for him not to heal you. It would be good.
>> I'm going tell you why. It would be good for him to let me die of cancer. That's a good act for God to do. Okay.
>> I'm going to tell you why.
>> So then what you're saying is No, I know. I know why. Yeah. Because Jesus was full of [ __ ] Because love your enemy, turn the other cheek is [ __ ] And he was he was wrong about all that.
Yeah. I got I get you. That's perfect.
Yeah.
>> No. No. That's not why. That's not why.
>> Oh, wait. That's confusing.
>> Chill. That's not why. That's not why >> you're going to tell me to chill. You're on [ __ ] amphetamines right now. You sound like a million miles a minute.
>> But you're not letting me talk, bro. I'm trying to answer your question. I'm going to tell you why God would be good.
>> Because I'm I'm going to explain to you why God would let this person die. It would be good for you.
>> It would be good for you. Because first of all, >> you're answering your question. Okay. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. Whatever, man. First of all, because this man right here is a sinner.
He did not come to repentance of the Lord, right? And he expecting God to move where he wants him to, where he doesn't even believe in God. First of all, he didn't even come to the repentance of his sins. And then you still want him to move where you want him to move. God is not a puppet. He's not a genie. None of that was in there.
You're adding so much stuff to the scenario that God is not. Okay, I'm going to tell you what God is not. He's not stupid. He's not a genie. And he's not someone you could just manipulate. I agree.
>> Right.
>> Or real.
>> Good. So when you said that would it be evil for God to let him die, right?
That's that's that's try to force him that's kind of like the 40 nights and 40 days that when Jesus was in in a desert where Satan was trying to get him to do things what the scenario was. I think you got a bit confused about.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So so so what what you trying to do you trying to do the 40 40 days and 40 night situation which God is not going to move. God is not stop.
Stop. Can you stop? Don't land because that's not what I'm talking about. I didn't say and the guy is saying and God should cure me and I expect that. That's and you're a genie. None of that is what I said. You're adding a whole bunch of stuff that I'm not talking about.
>> You you don't but but you're trying to say because if God doesn't move when he wants him to, he's evil.
>> No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just let you listen to what I'm saying so that you stop getting confused.
>> I was asking I I am confused as to why you're rambling off about other stuff that I'm not asking you.
>> Why you backpedaling?
>> Yeah. Yeah. But what I'm asking you is in the scenario where someone they don't even know they have cancer and they're just like I don't like God. I like sinning. God could heal their cancer or not. It could be someone who like doesn't even know about God. Maybe someone like like say there's somebody uh like that just never heard about God and they're like uh in you know what's modern day Mexico but it's 2,000 years ago. They've never heard of Jesus or God and they have cancer and they're just like don't know anything about it. God could heal them or not.
>> This makes no sense what you're talking about, bro. You're not making sense.
>> He could heal them or not. And sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't. Right.
>> Okay. Okay. God especially doesn't have to move when a sinner wants him to or >> I'm not asking that the sinner asked him to. It's just if it's good to heal whether they ask or not.
>> Understand?
>> You got to add because you're adding stuff that isn't about it.
>> I'm not even done yet.
>> Answer answer the thing that I said first and then adjust it.
>> I did.
>> I'm going to draw this out so that we can stay on track here. Okay. I'm just going to make this really clear. I >> just got to lose this argument so bad, bro.
Okay, here's >> this is what happens when you believe this is what happen when you believe you you evolve from meteors.
>> Yeah, true. I agree with that. Okay, we have I'll I'll do it with with two people.
Okay, there's two people. Okay. And this one has cancer.
And this one is cancer.
Okay. And this one is a Christian, so they get another C.
And this one is uh an atheist, but they just never never heard of it. Okay. They just never heard of God. They just don't know about it. They're just like chilling there. Would it be good or bad if the Christian said, "Dear God, please cure me of cancer." Would it be good for God to cure them or bad for God to cure them?
>> Yeah, it would have be it would be good for God to cure them for sure.
>> So, in this case, even though he's not a genie, he asked and it would be good to do it.
Would it be good for God to uh if they if they prayed and asked to say, "No, I'm going to let you keep the cancer."
Would that be good or bad?
>> Um, God is worthy to be praised and if that's what God's will is and that's what God will. That's the thing that you don't understand about Christians. But yeah, >> I didn't understand. Meaning meaning Yeah. meaning meaning that we we'll accept whatever comes with this world which is >> I understand you can accept it. But is the act of God ignoring them?
>> He doesn't have to. And so he doesn't have to do it. That's my thing.
>> I'm not saying I'm not saying he has to.
I'm just saying is it good or bad?
>> It it would be it would be good to cure.
It would be good. Yeah, it would be Listen, it would be good for God to do it. Yeah, but I'm not tripping about that if he does it or >> is good >> and to ignore.
>> Oh man, I had to do this one >> will be his choice.
>> And is it a good choice or a bad choice?
>> I I I don't know the I don't know the future. I don't know why. I don't know the out.
>> So, ignore is a question mark. You don't know if that's good or bad.
>> Yeah. Because I don't know the future. I don't know what's the It could be a play on that.
>> Someone else cure them.
>> It would be not. Yeah. It would be It would be cool.
>> You would know that that's morally good that God cured the Christian cancer.
Okay. Good.
>> How many times you going to ask question >> because I just want to make sure we're clear. Now, with the a >> Now, with the atheist, >> doesn't ask doesn't say God's a genie.
doesn't even flip God off. Just doesn't believe. Would it be good to cure that atheist cancer?
>> Uh would it be cure? Would it be good to cure that atheist cancer?
>> Yeah.
>> No.
>> If he cured it, it would be bad.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So, God could cure an atheist of cancer and that would be bad for God to do.
>> It would be consistent. Yes.
>> Okay. So cure I'm blown away by this. So what about uh >> you're laughing but you're not you're not trying to hear my explanation. So >> no actually I do want to hear why is it bad to cure someone's cancer who doesn't believe in you >> right because first of all you don't have Christ in your life because uh to to like I said you must come to the repentance of God and first you must believe that God is.
>> If you don't believe that God is there's no faith there's no there's no faith in you. So you can't ask for a prayer, right, and and expect something to happen when you don't even believe in it.
>> He He didn't pray.
>> He doesn't. That's my point. An atheist doesn't believe it.
>> So So it's not a genie, but you have to ask for it to be.
>> No. No. No.
>> Okay. You didn't hear what I said. In order for you to know that God is, you must first believe that he is.
You know what that means?
>> No.
>> That he's that that he's that he's the eternal father, right? That he exists, right? And he and he gave his son for you. He gave his son for your sins.
>> Okay?
>> If you don't believe in those things, right? If you don't believe in those things, it's impossible, right, for anything to turn out any type of good in your life. Impossible.
>> Well, that's not really true because I don't believe all that stuff. And I have lots of good stuff in my life.
>> Yeah. But you know what? You don't have to. You know what you don't have? You don't You know what you don't have? No.
>> Cancer.
>> You know what you don't?
>> Cancer. That too.
>> I don't I don't have cancer.
>> You're answering my question. You know what you don't have is eternal life.
That's what >> Do you think I deserve cancer?
>> You don't? No. Do you hear what I said?
>> Yeah. I don't have eternal life. I >> Right. What What do you mean by that?
What do you What What do you think that is? What What do you mean? What What do you think I mean by that?
>> Like I don't get to go to heaven or something like that, >> right? So, you separated from from God, right? Because you chose, right, to believe that you chose to disrespect him, right, and not believe that he exists. So with all them little little little games that you're doing, >> just to go back to this, do you think that >> you don't have eternal life? Do you think that the Christian who has eternal life >> deserves cancer?
>> I I wanted to bet you that he's okay with either or. You know why? Because he believed that Christ died.
>> Listen to me, man. I'm going to the question. Do they deserve to have cancer to have cancer, but we live in a fallen creation.
>> I know. I know. Fallen Adam. try to understand it. So I'm going to tell you anyway. We live in a fallen creation which causes >> I know the fallen thing. Try to >> if you know you be asking >> strap on.
>> If you know it, then you won't be ask the question. You don't What's the question I'm asking you?
>> Yeah. You you you >> What's the question I'm getting to? Tell me the question I'm asking you.
>> Okay, good. If you know that the question >> I'm about to so the audience will understand. Can you >> tell me what question I'm about to ask?
But I want the audience to understand.
Well, you don't know because I haven't done it yet.
>> Sir, >> you're answering before I asked.
>> Sir, I need the audience to understand.
>> They know about the fall. They're >> so if No, no, no, no. So, if if the fall of creation, right, is that the world is full of sin. So, what he's asking, right, it's things that are happening because of sin. So, go ahead.
>> Does the Christian deserve cancer?
>> Nobody deserves cancer.
>> Okay. Well, I was going to ask the atheist. Does the atheist deserve cancer? So you would say no.
>> The So does sin deserve punishment. Sin deserve punishment.
>> Does the Christian sin?
>> Of course.
>> Is cancer a punishment?
>> It's it's the it's the consequences of sin.
>> Is it a punishment?
>> It's a consequences of sin. So the consequences of sin is death.
>> Is the consequence a punishment?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So if they sin and they deserve a consequence and the consequence is cancer then their sin makes them deserve canc I'm I'm I'm speaking I'm a Christian I'm telling you that that we will we accept it we accept whatever comes with it because >> I know you accept it what we're talking about is if they deserve it and the reason I'm asking >> why are you saying they >> them Christians Christians with cancer >> I'm one I am >> sure you do you deserve cancer this is you >> right so So, so if if >> this is me, >> okay, >> this is you.
>> I I'll give a little um just so that we know this is you.
>> Okay. So, so as a Christian, I understand that we live in a sinful world. So, the wages of sin is death.
So, if I was to get cancer and things like that, I will know that will that is part of the fallen creation >> and I accept it.
>> That's the difference.
>> You accept the punishment because you because you deserve it.
>> We all deserve it. Yeah. And cancer is one of those.
>> Cancer is one of those. You >> So when you said they didn't deserve cancer, what you meant to say was they do deserve cancer. You just slept up on >> No, no, no. What I'm saying is that we accept we accept >> you accept it because you deserve it.
>> Yeah.
>> We accept it. Right.
>> Right.
>> What about the >> Because you deserve it. That's why you accept it. So why' you say they don't deserve it?
>> Okay. Okay. What answer do you want me to give you? So that way you could like like what I'm going to go to say it again so you're not confused.
>> Let's just start from let me start from the beginning. Let me let me I'll ask it in a more clear way.
>> Tell you no.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Stop. Stop.
Stop. Stop. So let me just ask in a more clear way cuz I'm trying to make a point.
>> Do you think Christians deserve cancer?
>> Do I think they serve Do you think Christians deserve cancers >> as a punishment? Yeah.
No, I don't think u u Christians deserve cancer. No.
>> Okay. Do you think atheists deserve cancer as a punishment?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Is the punishment sin?
>> It's it's uh due to the fallen creation.
Yes.
>> Okay. And do Christians participate in sin?
>> We fall. Yes.
>> So when Christians sin, they don't deserve cancer as a punishment. When atheists sin, they do deserve cancer as a punishment. Were the people who did the fall uh Christians like Adam and Eve, were they Christians? They believed in God.
>> Well, of course, they believed in God.
>> So, it sounds like they uh should all be part of the fall, but us atheists, I don't know why we deserve it. That's kind of weird.
>> That doesn't really follow the >> Yeah. So, I was going to answer all of that that way that you know, I just told you that we live in a fallen creation that we're going to have these uh these deficiencies in our body because we're we're we're we're living in a sinful sinful creation. Basically, that's what that is.
>> Yep.
>> I don't understand what I don't I don't get what your I don't what your point is.
>> The point is that >> so so so the point is >> if that's the case, then God shouldn't cure any cancer because we deserve it all. But if some people don't deserve it and so he cures them, then he's treating people differently, which is not just, it's not fair. It's not good.
>> Okay. Okay. So, so, so you say he's treating people differently, right? You mean you mean the people that he called to follow to deny yourself and pick up the cross and follow me?
>> Well, some Christians die from cancer and some atheists get cured from cancer.
So, there's there's a problem.
>> I'm going to tell I'm going to tell you the difference cuz you're an atheist.
You don't know any better. See if a when a Christian when a Christian pass away with cancer, right? We have the faith and we have to know that we when we die in Christ that we have eternal life. As an atheist as an atheist, you don't have that.
>> Thank you.
>> That's the difference. No, that's a fact. You don't have it. So you could say you you could sit here and say >> no one was contesting that. I don't know why you're mad.
>> Okay. Listen. So JC had a good life, too. Jay-Z, all these superstars with all these money, they have a good life.
So, but once you pass, >> did you say JC like Jesus Christ or Jay-Z?
>> No. J Jay-Z the rapper. All these people that have this the money, the fame and and and living good and things like that. They're living good now like you are. You said that you're living good.
You have a good life. So, you can't say nothing when you see the father. When you see Christ, you can't say, "You know what, God? You wasn't good to me. You didn't give me anything. You didn't give me a family. You didn't give me a job.
You didn't give me There's no excuse for you. He gave you everything and you still spit on his face.
>> Yeah, that's because um his followers think I deserve cancer so he can eat my shitty ass.
>> But you don't have cancer out of everybody.
>> But you think you think But you think I deserve cancer, right?
>> But let's put it this way.
>> Just to be clear now that that was me.
You think I deserve to have cancer, right?
>> Yeah. We're going to we're going to go back to you. I think that >> Well, in the drawing it was me. remember the the long I had, but I do. Now, I'll tell you this, just as an atheist, I don't think either of us deserve cancer. I think that's an insane thing to say. I think you have to be a full-blown lunatic to say someone deserves cancer. Like, that was that was crazy. That was crazy. You said that.
>> No problem. I got you. You said that, right? But see, yeah.
>> Can you admit that was crazy?
>> No, it's not crazy. And you know, it's crazy because you know you know what's funny because actually it's not funny.
You know, you know, God even said that the wages of sin is death. But you said that no one deserved these things. Who are you? That's my question.
>> I messo, >> right? So you going to pass one day. I don't I don't see how what what type of authority you have to say anything cuz once you pass, people going to forget you. So I don't understand where you coming from. It's like, oh well, people don't deserve this. Even though they're sinners and they're atheists, they don't deserve this. Like who are you?
>> So the fact that I'm the fact that I'm going to die the the the fact that I'm going to die doesn't mean that some people deserve cancer. I don't see the correlation there.
>> Right. U Okay. So, you don't believe in uh in God. You don't believe that he is the father. You come on here, you blasphe his name every day and things like that. And I can say why. You know what I mean? And and I think those blasphemy do deserve a punishment.
Whatever fits, whatever God see fits.
>> Yeah.
>> But but out of everybody, >> I can tell you why I don't believe though if you want just super easy. I I I but but out of everybody that he could have singled out, for some reason, he allowed you not to have cancer. He allowed you to have a family. He allowed you to wake up every morning and do all these things. And yet you still spit on his face. So when you see him, he's going to ask you why I gave you all these things.
>> And I'll And here's what I'll say. Do you want to hear what I'll say to him?
Do you want to hear what I'll say to God? What do you think? What do you think I'll say to God? What do you tell?
Let's listen. This is fun. I die. I'm at the pearly gates and God's like, "Okay, >> meo, mezo, mezo, you're dead. I gave you so much. Why didn't you believe in me?"
What do you think I'll say?
>> Right. Um, so so the arrogance, right?
Same thing with Satan. He said the same thing, right? So he >> Why did you bring that up if you're not going to participate in the thing? He said, "What would you say?"
>> I'm going to answer I'm going to answer the question, my friend.
>> What would I say?
>> You told me to chill, right? You told me to chill.
>> I'm still I'm still telling you to chill.
>> You know what? To tell you the truth, man. I don't know what you're going to say. And and it's easy for you to say what you're about to say right now because >> Do you want to do you want to know what I would say?
>> Sir, let me land my plane, my friend.
It's easy for you to say what you're about to say right now because you're not a you're not in the presence of them. When you're in the presence of them, man, all that energy that you doing right now, you're not going to say those. I'm telling you, you're not. So, that with that being said. Yeah. Okay.
All right. We going to see. We gonna see for for for atheists that can't explain where back how bacteria evolve into human beings is crazy.
Go ahead, man. What you got to say?
Yeah, man. This guy lost the argument.
>> Oh, you done preach.
>> You lost the argument.
>> You done?
>> You lost the argument, bro. Go ahead, man.
>> I lost the preach.
>> You lost the argument, man. Yeah, you lost the argument, bro. But what you going to say? I'm curious. What are you going to say?
>> Yeah. The reason that I don't uh I didn't follow you is because I didn't believe you were real. Because in the story it says you were good and uh it also says that you could do anything and heal anything and then some people died from cancer. And so if you're going to tell me that some people deserve cancer and you're good. Well, that doesn't make sense. I don't I don't that doesn't make sense in my heart of hearts. I can't believe maybe it's written on my heart that that doesn't make sense. Uh, but that seems impossible to like issue out cancer as a punishment and still be good. So that's why I didn't follow you.
And he'll go, "Fuck, you're right. I should have healed everyone's cancer.
That was stupid of me."
>> So then I'll uh then he'll say, "Come on up. You have some good ideas. Maybe you could workshop some of them around with the angels and we could better Earth life down there." And I'd be like, "Yeah, I'm done with rape. Like don't have that anymore." And they'd be like, "Really? I thought you guys liked. No rapists like it, but the other ones don't like it." Yeah. Hold on. And then I would say, >> you know, furthermore, >> thank you.
>> I think we could get rid of all the school shootings. That'd be nice to just get rid of those. And they would say, I thought, would you guys don't you guys like guns and stuff? Yeah, but we don't need it. It's fine. And then I would say, uh, maybe reveal yourself in some way so that people know you're real. And they would go, I hadn't thought about that. We did that a long time ago with Jesus and stuff, but did people like that? I was like, yeah, pe a lot of Christians came out of that. You should do that again. Okay. Okay. So, they would take some notes on that part and uh yeah, probably just give out some more ideas as to how to be a better god.
And I don't know, like unless you can come up with some reason why these aren't good ideas for a good God to do, then I think you're trapped just defending a piece of [ __ ] lying God who doesn't exist, which is where you are right now.
>> Okay.
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Welcome in. What's your age and religion?
>> Hi, I'm 32. I'm a deist.
>> A what?
I'm deist.
Oh, >> okay.
Do you think >> I actually didn't mean to join. I'm so sorry.
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>> I love your work. I I love the conversations. It's quite an >> Thank you.
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>> Uh hey Rawit Desi. What's your age and religion?
Hey, I'm 21 and I don't have a religion, I guess I would say.
>> Atheist.
>> Yeah. Or agnostic.
>> So, we're just talking to people who like do believe in God. But on Sunday mornings, we talk to fellow atheists called Atheist Sunday School. Uh it's a good time to come, you know, give the channel a follow here and come back on Sunday morning.
>> Okay, I will. I'mma just be here watching my True Blood.
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Okay, we'll see you then.
Uh, hey, not what's your age and religion?
>> Hey, I'm 28. Uh, I'm a Christian. Non non-denominational Christian.
>> Yeah, right. Uh, well, we're talking about how if God was evil, if you'd be able to know. What do you think about that?
>> Yeah, I think I have an answer. I've been here a while and now of course I have a meeting in two minutes. But the the quick part of it is I think if God were evil more people than not who were able to off themselves would off themselves and because there's not there's clearly more flourishing than suffering in this world. So it's a net positive thing and I don't know if you can call him evil.
>> I'm not sure what so like you're he's like neutral.
No, he's positive. Unless it's the case that more people are offing themselves than not.
>> Why why is that the um like metric >> because that's that's the option we all have if life isn't worth living because the creator is evil. So the fact that we go on anyways, >> I don't think having an evil creator would mean that you have to do that. Ne neither would having a good creator. I don't see the relevance. Maybe I'm confused.
Dang. All right. Well, sorry. I have this meeting. Maybe I'll pop back in.
>> Okay.
>> If you if you're interested at all in this, if not, you can ignore my request, but I got to jump on this meeting.
Sorry.
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>> Okay.
I'm not I don't understand what the connection was with that.
>> What would that What would that be?
>> Run. Hey, what's your age and religion?
I am 40 and I am a Christian.
>> All right. Well, we're talking about how if God was evil, would you know? What do you think about that?
>> Um, yeah, I do know he's not for sure. 100%.
>> How do you know?
>> Well, we're still alive.
>> Some of us, A lot of us died, though. In fact, more people died than are alive, >> right? But the amount of evil in this world, the patience of God is still on it, which tells me he's not evil, cuz we all deserve better.
>> Are you eating like uh cheese right now or something?
>> I'm eating a really, really, really good sandwich.
>> Do you think you could just like uh not chew while you're on the phone because it it it ech sounding?
>> Yeah, sure. And then for you. And then what?
>> Anything for you, sir.
>> Oh, become an atheist.
>> Yeah. If you're if you're offering, for sure. Yeah, that'd be great. Um, yeah.
Yeah. So, I don't understand. I mean, the idea that like we are alive. Uh, so God can't be evil, but we are we're all going to die. So, like that kind of doesn't really follow.
>> Well, we all deserve death. None of us is good.
>> None of us is good. Are you saying you're a good person?
>> I don't think I'm of death. I think >> so. You do think you deserve life. You think you deserve stuff. You think you deserve something?
>> Yeah, I think so.
>> So, you think you're a good person then?
>> I think I'm good enough to be alive.
>> What makes you a good person?
>> I don't I by the way don't know what goodness has to do with life. You know what I mean? Like whether someone is good or bad, I think that they could be alive. that that like shouldn't be, you know, contingent on their >> Well, I think I think if someone feels that they're a good person, they also feel that they deserve >> I don't believe that. I don't believe that.
>> Why do you think we deserve death?
>> Good.
>> Well, um cuz people are evil >> and then we brush and we brush it off on God like he's the evil one when we're the evil ones.
>> You think evil people deserve death?
I think we all deserve death and it's going to come eventually. But God's grace is upon the world.
>> He has a limited grace. It's like I'll let you be. That's enough. Like >> the whole world still. That's massive grace. The whole world is in exist existence still.
>> That's a lot of grace, sir.
>> I just don't understand why you think we deserve death. Like what deserves what what do we do that deserves death?
>> I'll go right back. I was saying earlier. Do you think that you're good?
Do you >> ask I'm asking what have we done that makes us deserving of death or is that the default in your >> Well, let's Well, let's look at the planet as a whole. Do people lie? Do people cheat? Do people steal? Do people murder? Do people um fornicate?
>> Some people do that stuff and some don't, >> right? And and like look at here now like you're bashing God on the internet in front of hundreds of people and he's allowing that. He's allowing that.
That's what I'm trying to figure out. Is making fun of God a crime worthy of death?
>> Here's the thing. Judgment is going to come. And that's all.
>> The question is, is making fun of God a crime that deserves death? The death penalty.
>> Yes. But he doesn't grant it because it's we're still here.
>> Okay. But he does eventually he grants it to everybody. Right. So everybody, so everyone does different crimes and the punishment is the same for all of them.
>> Um, it's to the individual. The heart is the issue. But God deals with Yeah. But God deals with everybody individually.
So my sins are >> live longer than atheists or something like that.
>> I never I never would say.
>> Well, they would, right? If this was the case where it was like he's going to have a grace for people who do less sins then like Christians would live longer and then people who do like like when you're young do a whole bunch of like atheisms would die younger, right?
>> Well, God didn't have grace on King David. King David committed murder and went in under the man's wife and God said the sword of violence will never depart from your house and he suffered for it. So, I don't think um I think God's judgment is upon the individual.
So sometimes it's death and sometimes it's like I'm going to have your wives raped or something like that. That's like a different punishment.
>> It's whatever. It's whatever God wills.
I know exactly where you're going.
You're about to go into scripture.
You're about to talk about oh God told people to rape and did all do all this stuff like >> the same thing you guys talk about. It's the same same story in dance, man.
>> And here's the thing. At the end of the day and here's at the end of the day it hasn't been addressed which is why we keep talking about it. But I don't look I didn't bring it up. you did. You were saying that we all deserve death and now you're adding some people deserve to be raped. I don't think that's true.
>> I just knew where you were getting at.
>> Which um like crime do you think is deserving of rape as a punishment?
>> I think we're all deserving of death.
Period. But God's grace is upon us at the end of the day. If you want to answer that, read the word.
>> Sure. Where do I look? read the whole thing in context from Genesis to Revelation. Get an understanding of who God is as a whole. And even then, it's just a drop in the bucket of the character of God. Like he's >> Yeah.
>> He's infinite in knowledge. Like the knowledge that you spew, the knowledge that I spew is nothing. It's nothing.
>> I I don't know why >> nothing compared to God.
>> I I don't That's a lot of extra stuff just to say we're stupid. I I >> No, it's just it's just to say that we're minuscule compared to his knowledge. You're spiraling a far away from the point. I don't know why you're doing that.
>> What's your point?
>> My point is I'm trying to figure out what crime is deserving of death. All of them.
>> All of them.
>> Okay. All of them.
>> Are all crimes equal?
>> All sin is equal in God's eyes. Sin is sin is sin.
>> Do you agree with that?
>> 100%.
>> And you're a sinner?
>> I I've sinned and I am a sinner. So you've like done the equivalent of child rape.
>> I would no negative.
>> But it's that's a sin, right?
>> Right. It is. But >> it's equal to the other sins. So you've done in your view, you've done the equivalent of child rape.
>> Oh, I see what you're getting at. You're trying to find out something that's equally bad >> than others. You're trying to find >> You're saying you're saying you think you've done something that's like equally bad as child rape, >> right? No. So here's the thing. You're talking about No, no, no. You're talking about levels of sin. And there is levels of sin. There is greater >> sin. Because when I asked you that, you said there wasn't. So that's why I was confused. Okay.
>> No, I know where you're getting at.
Yeah. But there is there is greater sin.
The Bible says that.
>> It's just because when you say that, I'm going to think that you believe that, but we can we can backtrack that. Yeah.
>> Right. Right. No, you're you're absolutely right. The Bible says that a man will be judged according to his deeds, whether they be good or evil. And there are greater and there are lesser, but sin is sin at the end of the day.
>> But they all deserve the same punishment.
>> Oh, 100%. Yeah.
>> See, that that seems unjust to me because like I don't think if somebody like rapes a kid and someone else steals a candy bar, we shouldn't give them the same judgment, the same.
>> But you also But you also don't know God's grace on the person that stole the candy bar. You don't know that if he's going to have mercy on that man or not.
So we're we're >> they're both going to die, right? Yes, we're all >> they both have the same punishment.
>> Well, we don't know that because of the individual. It's the individual's heart is the matter because God has grace on all of us right now. That's why we're able to speak about him. That's why we're able to mock him. That's why we're able to criticize him and mock his followers. We're able to do that because his grace is upon us and we're and he get grants us the free will to do so.
>> Let's do a little of that right now just to like ex explore this idea. Uh, God's a dumb piece of [ __ ] and like his followers are like brainless uh followers, I guess is the right word for it, that just like mindlessly repeat dribble that doesn't really make any sense to avoid the question at hand.
Yeah, that is that is a nice like uh experiment to try out. Um, I don't know why you wanted us to do that, but it's it's I guess it's a good time. And we're experiencing grace cuz I did that and I didn't get struck down with death immediately. Right.
>> Mhm. That's your free will, my friend.
You think for me saying that that I deserve like to be just to fall dead right away?
>> Well, no. I I think uh I support whatever God does for your life and I hope it's something that is far better than where you are now.
>> You're so wishy-washy. You keep going back and forth. We all deserve death. We don't deserve death. I hope you don't get what you deserve. I hope you like it's just confusing.
>> Right now, if you were to if you were to pass, god forbid, yeah, you would you would get death. Do you think it's the actual sins that people commit that um makes them deserving of death or is it just that sin exists in the world so we all deserve it? Like do you think babies who are a month old deserve death?
>> Uh the heart is the issue. Babies are automatic deposits into heaven. The Bible says that every man will be judged according to his deeds.
>> Babies don't have the conscious awareness of sin right and wrong >> like 8year-old or something like once they're eight or 10 or something. I have 10 year olds and they know what's going on.
>> I I I don't know what the conscious age is of right and wrong and mentality or morale. I don't know any of that. I'm not a psychologist.
>> It's it's probably not an age. It's a heart thing.
>> Yeah. Everything is a heart issue. That that's why I said God deals with the man individually. So like if you're like if you're a sinner now, God knows your heart.
>> He knows that if you are truly going to love him or not. He knows if you're going to follow him or not. He knows if you're going to turn from your ways or not. Um he knows that deep down you may know right and wrong. Even in your subconscious you just may not know it yet.
>> Okay. Um so uh with some some age or some like uh brain development they just get an instant pass into heaven. Is that what you're saying?
>> Uh yes. Even even if like as a baby like they don't know it but like they're three and they're just like God's a [ __ ] or so they say something like that they don't really know what they're doing right >> so they like in fact I have like my kids are 10 they could say that and actually know who they're talking about and know what [ __ ] means you know uh they they watch a little TV they know they learn the stuff at school I don't teach them [ __ ] but they they know so they could say God's a [ __ ] and they're 10 >> do you think that they would uh and then you know they do that right as they like get hit by a truck that they will get to go to heaven or cuz they didn't they didn't >> Well, let's do let's do this. When were you conscious aware of right wrong, knowing to steal, knowing not to steal?
When did you reach that age in your mind to know not to break the law and >> probably seven or eight?
>> Eight. See, I was a little bit older >> for me. I think I was more around 13.
One of my conscious started to really recognize um this is good, this is bad, stay away from this.
>> Yeah. I mean, like it got more sophisticated as I as I got older, but like I learned to like act good at a younger age, but you're saying that like maybe when you were 14, uh you deserved the death penalty at that point and eternally.
>> Yeah. Especially the way I was raised.
Uh, a lot of people are talking in the uh in the chat right now. They don't know what it's like being raised in a um basically a trap house. So, they could be as ignorant as they want. They don't know what it's like having a rough life.
>> That's what So, because of how you were raised against your uh will or understanding necessarily uh that at at age 14, you think do you think some 14-year-olds deserve the death penalty?
>> I think everybody does, my friend.
>> Man, that's a crazy take. Yeah.
>> And and you stand by the rape one too that some people deserve uh not just death but other consequences like uh sicknesses, rape, other like everything bad that happens is like a deserved punishment.
>> I don't Listen, man. I know where you're going with this. I I don't want to teeter totter around that debate. I've been there before. It's the same thing that everybody talks about on this app.
And without the full context of understanding who God really is, I at the end of the day we are born in flesh.
We have sinned. We have lied. We have cheated. We have stealed. If you stole a penny, that makes you a thief. Okay? In your heart, that makes you a thief. If you >> I don't I don't think of being a penny thief gives make someone deserving of the death penalty or any other consequences. You should be, hey, just give the penny back or honestly don't worry about it. we have give a penny, take a penny, it's fine. Just let them have that. It doesn't really matter. Um, and say just don't do that next time.
Keep your own stuff. Just like let them know. So >> ultimately what I'm saying is we we really don't deserve anything. We don't.
We as a people are >> This is classic Christian. They just think everyone's a piece of [ __ ] Yeah.
Yeah.
>> We're not. Look at the world. You think the world is good? The child trafficking, the politics, the division, the hatred, the anger for people, the divisiveness.
Nobody >> saying that some kids deserve death penalties avoiding the topic. Thearves divided. There's no loyalty. There's no loyalty in families anymore. Loyalty is just dissipated. It's gone. There was a rage in the 50s.
>> In the 50s. Hey, honestly, Run, if you want to like rant off and not respond to the questions I ask you, I'll probably just go to a different guest because I I started asking about something like I don't want to talk about that and now you're just doing some weird rant. So, I'm probably just going to move on.
>> That's fine.
>> Okay.
See you.
>> Bye.
>> You like uh Yeah. Yeah. Just no reason to like listen to a rant. Uh, that doesn't really help anybody out.
So many requests today.
It always happens where like I have zero for a long time and then 50.
>> Uh, Ryu, right?
>> Hey, uh, are you there?
>> Yeah, I'm here.
>> Hey, how old are you? What's your religion?
>> Uh, I'm over 18 and I'm a Christian.
>> Okay, we're talking about >> I'm a follower of Jesus.
We're talking about if God was evil or if Jesus was evil, would you know it?
>> Um, if God was evil isn't really a smart like thing to say because it contradicts what he who he is in scripture, >> right?
>> Well, not really scripture. I mean, it's >> he does >> simple >> bad stuff in scripture. So, that kind of matches a scripture. What we're trying to say is like if you if someone said they were good but they were lying cuz they're >> Wait, did you did you get what I meant?
>> Did you understand what I'm saying before you just go off?
>> Yeah. Repeat.
>> You're saying scripture he does good and bad stuff. So it's just not true.
>> That's not what I said.
>> No, I'm I'm adding the in scripture he does bad stuff too. I responded to your point.
>> Repeat my point again. You were saying it doesn't make sense that God is evil because in scripture it says he's good.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> And then and then and then I said the problem with that is that in scripture it says he's bad too. It says both.
>> You can say that and I mean that's your belief but >> well I just have read it.
>> Keep going.
>> You don't you don't think >> say what you were saying.
>> God does stuff that's not good in the Bible. Did have you read it?
>> Um, I'm pretty sure you're just gonna Bro, I'm pretty sure you're just going to talk about the Amalachites. Let me guess.
>> I'll tell you I'll tell you this.
>> We can talk about anything you want, but there's times where even God himself says, "I'm going to hurt these people and it's not going to be for good."
>> Okay. Sure.
>> So, >> you can to mean it's not good. Yeah.
>> Just let me respond real quick. to cut all of this semantics and stuff off and all the jokes. All I'm going to say is this. Whether you believe in the Bible or not, the way that like God, if God is omnipotent, omnipresent, if he's all powerful, all knowing, all present, if he does exist, that means that everything in the Bible is true.
>> And that means that whatever he sets as a standard false >> is the objective truth.
>> And so, I got to stop you right there.
If there's an all knowing God out there, that doesn't mean the Bible >> That's just your own opinion, >> Rayu. If there's an all knowing God out there, that doesn't mean the Bible's true.
>> What do you mean?
>> If God is all >> because there's other religious texts, too, right?
>> That means that means that >> if the God Bible is true, then the Bible's true.
>> But to just say if there's some other random God that's all knowing, then it must mean the Bible's true is just insane.
That doesn't >> all I'm saying is that the Bible, you can say the Bible isn't true, but we know that the crucifixion happened, that Jesus existed, and it's up to the person whether to believe that if Jesus really died or rise from the dead. Like, >> let's say he did.
>> If he died and risen again.
>> Yeah. Let's say let's say he rose from the dead. Sure.
>> Yeah. If he rose from the dead, that means that he's the one true God because he claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life. That he's going to die on this mountain.
>> Sure. Let's say it does. Jesus is God.
How do we know he's good?
>> Because he's God. What? If Jesus is God, that means that he's per he's per >> How do we know?
>> He's holy. He's righteous. That's all it means.
>> How do we know that? Just cuz he says so.
What do you mean just just cuz he said so? If it's if if Jesus went to the cross like he he said he would. If he did all these miracles, if he risen, if he rose people from the dead, if he uh if all the Old Testament people in the Bible prophesied that there's going to be a coming Messiah, even the major world religions acknowledge Jesus. If all these things are adding up, it just supports what I'm saying.
>> And so like, >> but check out this scenario.
>> If Jesus is God, then he's God.
>> Check out this scenario.
>> There's a go against that.
>> Um, the universe is created by a God and >> in Are we still on the on the title of your thing >> or are we going to a different topic?
>> This is it. I'm I'm giving you a scenario that you can try to disprove.
>> So, we're going on a different topic.
>> It's this exact same topic. It's a scenario about this topic and it relates to Jesus resurrecting and exactly what you're talking about. Is that okay with you?
>> Yeah. Go continue.
>> Okay. So, the scenario is a god makes the universe. In doing so, they get destroyed. There's an evil god that exists also. Can you stop like rumaging around on your microphone for a second?
>> Yeah. Sorry about that.
>> Okay. It's just hard to hear your smoke detector when you're doing that. Okay.
So, uh, and then this evil god goes, "H, I could get everyone to think that they're going to heaven if they just believe in me." And so what I'll do is I'll come down, I'll do a bunch of miracles, and I'll die on a cross, and then they're all going to think they're going to heaven, but I'm actually just going to send them all to hell to make them trick. And then they do all the trick, and they say all this stuff, and then they go away, and they're like, "That's hilarious. They think everyone's they all think they're coming to heaven. It's not real. They're going to go to hell. Heaven's closed.
How do you know that's not the case?
>> That's completely false, bro. You twisted the whole entire Bible. You read Genesis one chapter and then you closed it.
>> Ray, what?
>> The reason why Jesus Hold up before I continue answering.
>> No, no, no. This is a scenario I just made up.
>> Had to enter into the world.
>> This is a scenario I made up.
>> Try to track this conversation.
>> I'll answer cuz you're twisting the Bible.
>> Yes, I've done a twist on it.
>> You don't even understand. Now, what you do is say, "Here's how I know that >> this guy. He's He's being a false teacher. I'm not talking about twisting the Bible in narrative. Bro, you don't even know why."
>> I'm telling you, I twisted it.
>> You're saying You're saying that God created humanity just so that uh it it's like it's like a manipulative God just so that people can try to follow him.
And he's evil just because >> And he's evil just because he sends >> what I'm saying. And now you disprove that and say and say, "Sure. How do you know?"
>> All right, I'll disprove you. I'll disprove you.
>> The reason why Jesus had to enter into the world was to save us from sin. After Adam and Eve committed the first sin in the garden, he said, God said that there will be like this to the snake that there will be someone to crush the heel.
>> Right. And you're confused about what I'm saying. Sorry. You're confused about what I'm saying.
>> Come into the world to defeat the devil.
>> Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. And so Jesus had to enter into the world to defeat Satan.
>> Hold on.
I know that's the story the Bible says.
>> I'm saying if God were evil, he could type this lie out in the Bible. He could write this story in the Bible and it's not true and we wouldn't know. God's smart enough to trick us, right?
>> And God is smart enough not to lie and go against evil. He would lie. You wouldn't.
>> You're referring to Satan, not God, brother.
>> Good talk, dude. Thanks for tracking the conversation.
People, the guest like I I have to leave soon and this is a pointless waste of time. So, uh, let's let's get some other guest up here before I have to go here.
>> Go ahead.
>> Hey, pretend. Uh, what's your age and religion?
>> Hey, >> uh, 41. I am a Christian, uh, Muslim Buddhist.
>> Okay. And Masa, what's your age and religion?
I'm 20 and I'm a Christian.
>> Okay. And uh this you're like a ghostbuster.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know if you're old enough to be here.
Probably not old enough to be here.
>> Okay. Um so you guys uh go ahead. Why?
If God was evil, would you know?
>> Absolutely. I would I would definitely know if he was evil.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> How would you know?
>> The Bible would be the Bible would be evil, >> right? But the Bible would be the trick, right? It'd be a thing where it's like, uh, it's it's God is evil, and so he tricked people into thinking that the Bible was true, but it's not. Like, how would you be able to determine?
>> Yeah, but that that's a that's a your personal like that's like you're making up an assumption, you know?
>> Yeah. I'm well, it's just like maybe it's this and then you have to be able to say here's how I know with certainty it's not that.
>> Do atheists do atheists have a Bible or a book they read? What do you guys go by?
>> Uh yeah, I mean um Well, we're writing one. Like we're working on it still, but it's not done.
>> Enough said, guys. Enough said. We're we're writing it and we're working on it. Yeah, I'm writing I'm writing >> a religion and creating a religion.
>> No, it's not a religion. It's a counter then.
>> It's a counterreligious book.
>> It's a counter relligious. So, it's a religion.
>> It's a book against religion, not for >> Oh, it's a So, it's a religious book against religions.
>> It's about religions. It's not a book like how to join. It's how to get out of >> do better than this, bro. I I still gave you a follow. Good try.
>> I haven't I haven't finished the book yet. I'm still working on it.
I finished it.
>> He left.
>> You came up to say, "I gave you a follow. I can't wait to read your book."
Yeah, we're working on it, but like it's it's a lot of work, you know? I don't know if you've ever tried to write a book before, but uh Hey, uh Ghostbuster, you're a child. I don't want to talk to you. I'm going to block you for >> No, no, wait. I'm not a child. I'm 17. I have >> 17 is a child, and I don't want to talk to you, so I'm blocking you forever.
>> Yeah. Sorry. Uh you guys go ahead.
>> No. Yeah. If God was evil, we would definitely know >> and what what was the how for that?
>> Just cuz like So we know you know what good and bad is, right?
>> I think so.
>> All right.
>> Like it's like I think it's good to uh um I don't know >> to people or help people.
>> Jesus taught to love even love your enemies. So I don't think that would >> that could be good.
I think it's bad to um like threaten people. I think that's [ __ ] up.
>> Yeah, I agree.
>> I think God does that though.
>> I don't think God threatens anybody.
>> I mean, in the Bible, he does.
>> He doesn't threaten anybody. He may give out punishments.
>> He warns people >> which are warranted, but threaten.
>> He says, "If you if you keep acting like this, I'm going to like have you all killed and slaughtered." That's that sounds more like telling >> like I don't know. When I think of threat, I think of like >> just like something completely out of the random like makes no sense. You just threaten.
>> If you go outside, you're going to get cold. Sorry to just interrupt or budge him.
>> No, it's like if you go outside, I'm going to have someone hurt you. That'd be the threat. If it's like kind of something that's already >> Hey, hey, just so you know, naturally if you go outside, it's cold, you're going to feel that. But if it's like if you go outside without a co coat, I'm going to have the neighbor come kick your ass.
That now it's a threat, right?
>> But the neighbor already wanted to kick his ass, didn't he?
>> Yeah, maybe. But if it was like, I'm I'm not going to let you, but since you don't have a coat on, I'm going to have the neighbor come like I'm say, hey neighbor, here he is. Come get him. like that then it becomes like a you know a violent threat at that point. Right.
>> Was there someone honking their horn because there was another neighbor mad at him already?
>> No. Just there's the one person that he's going out of the house without a coat on. And then you're saying, "Hey neighbor, he doesn't have his coat on.
Go rape him." Then then that seems like the guy's kind of crazy for waking up the neighbors, you know?
>> That just seems evil. Seems like a lot of reasoning that led up to >> that person getting beat up going outside.
>> Sure. Yeah. It's still a threat though.
What was your question, Masa?
>> Could you like give me an example of like cuz you you think God is evil, right? I'm assuming >> I don't think he's real. I'm just the question of just like I don't know cuz it just says he's good and then it sometimes he does bad stuff and so I don't know how Christians tell that like he's good when it says >> God Yeah, God is all good.
Yeah, that's confusing because sometimes he's like evil does I'm going to hurt these people and it's not going to be good. So like why would God say it's not going to be good if he's all good?
>> No, he's all good and he's also a just God. So >> he doesn't he doesn't that means that it's automatically just no matter what we think. It's that simple.
>> Sure it can be just but if he's saying it's not. So your own personal opinion is going to of course be stupid and stuff. So you can't comprehend uncomprehens.
>> Yeah, but like I said, like I said, he's a he's a just God. He will give out punishment if warranted.
>> So So I I understand that. But if God himself says, "I'm going to hurt these people. I'm going to punish them justly and it's not going to be good." Then don't you wouldn't you say well then it's he's not all good.
>> That's very unique verbage.
>> It just goes back to him being a just god.
>> Okay. But I just how can you be a just god if you created sin?
>> No. He didn't create sin. So listen.
>> So so I have a question.
>> Listen listen listen. You got to let me talk. You got to let me talk.
>> Well he he's saying that like he created the parameters of sin. Like he chose >> God God created >> isn't to sin.
>> God created everything. But like so look God created us right? And he gives us a thing called free will, right?
>> Which is our power to do good or bad, right? Because if God just created us to do nothing but good, we'd literally be robots.
>> Yeah. like with or without consequence we can like do good or do bad and it doesn't >> so if if God if God in the in the Bible biblically in the Bible >> it talks about how Satan before humans were even conceived or thought of uh Satan had saw his himself his creation from God he saw himself and became vain >> thus created the spawn of sin but how how could how could God not created all of this evil if he created Satan.
>> But listen, this is this is what it goes back to what I said. He created us with a will.
Now that will we can either choose to do good or choose to do bad and say >> you just wait a second. Wait a second.
But you do agree that the sin originated from God since >> I'll give it I'll put it to you like I'll put it to you like this. God is primary causation, right? because he like like you're saying, he created everything, right? But like I'm saying, he created everything with its own will.
Meaning that it's not it's not directly him making us make the bad choice.
>> Uh Mizo, what's up? Can I introduce myself?
>> I beg to differ because he created everything. He already knew that people would not want to go to heaven.
>> No, no, no. This this is why we have Jesus. This is why Jesus came because >> that's still Jesus still plauses that there's still something that you have to do to like God is not going to love everybody unconditionally.
>> Yes, he listen. He does though. Jesus loves us all. Gang, >> wait a second. Wait a second. Okay. So, I I understand what you're saying. But he can't love when you when you when you tell somebody like like like you're saying he sent Jesus to allow us to choose him. Therefore, the principle in ch. Wait a second. Hold on. When you choose when you choose >> to to like you have a choice takes away the unconditions. You have to meet a condition. If I if I if Jesus Christ died, that means that you have to make meet a condition by choosing Christ. Whe an uncondition would mean that >> an uncondition would mean that like there would not be a choice at all. He would just accept everybody freely. Tik Tok is [ __ ] up.
>> No. Yeah, but like I said, that's what Jesus died for. He died for our sins.
So, whoever whoever believes in that and on that is saved, >> right? But I I understand that what I'm trying to communicate.
>> I love Jesus. On three. 1 2 3. I love Jesus.
>> There's a condition. What I'm trying Do you understand that? Like it's not unconditional.
>> Yeah. But the only the only condition is, bro, is to believe in Jesus. Bro, >> it's it's literally that believing in myself. It's a free gift, bro. And all you have to do to accept it is believe in Jesus Christ, >> right? Let me jump in. Uh Smitty Smitty is not a prerequisite.
>> It's very simple.
>> It's very simple. If I'm a parent and I see my kid going to touch a stove, obviously the stove is like fire. It's bad. Of course, that doesn't mean that I'm going to make sure that every time he's going to touch the stove, I have to intervene. No, he can touch the stove and learn that, oh shoot, this is I'm not going to touch it. I know in the back of my mind, in the grand scheme of things that, oh shoot, >> my son, this is this is fire. He shouldn't go to touch it, but he has to touch it to learn. And so you saying that God knew that, of course, God knows everything. He sees past, present, future at a glance. You saying that oh he knew that uh sin would eventually be created that you just logical.
>> It's not look sorry my microphone didn't work out. I was trying to read some super chats and look over at the YouTube super chat but there's a like a glitch happening so I can't read the uh but thanks everyone for those super chats that got sent during the last call. I was trying to read. Oh, like Oh, only one said 20.
This is Thank you guys so much.
Flockmeister, bro.
>> Um, sorry about that, guys. But, um, it was uh my audio when I switched over to YouTube got like glitched over on the Tik Tok.
>> I'm going to let you all hear both sides at once. I don't know if they can hear me on Tik Tok or not.
>> But, thanks everyone. I appreciate you.
>> Believe except Jesus already. Just >> you can continue with the conversation.
I just wanted to say thank you to the other the people who are sending stuff.
>> Have a good day.
>> Um, >> you can carry on. Go ahead. Sorry for interrupting. It's just that >> Yeah, no worries.
>> The micro like the audio input switched over when I Let me switch it back over to Tik Tok.
>> When on Tik Tok it kind of >> Yeah. I I just I just I I I was raised into Christianity as a youth. Um, so I I'm definitely tracking what like Rayu and all of them said. I know I know the story and the gift that God gives you. I >> So what's your question there? that that well I'm an atheist so I'm just trying to like engage with you guys proving at least or giving any type of evidence because the fact that bro was talking about if I'm a parent and there's a stove the thing that he's missing is that my mom >> you understand the analogy >> no but I don't think you he's saying he's basically saying bro is that I
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