Different Black communities (such as Caribbean, West African, and Black American) have distinct historical experiences, cultural identities, and struggles that should be respected rather than conflated under a single 'Black' identity; the term 'Black British' can be used to erase the specific identities and histories of Caribbean and African communities, and while shared humanity exists, each community's unique heritage and experiences deserve recognition and respect.
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Liking Yourself Is "Rude"? 'Black British' Is Not An Identity. Live Discussion Vol 9.5
Added:Rain girl, go ahead. Your ethnic background and where you're based.
>> Thank you. I'm based in the UK, but I am actually African.
>> Okay. Ethnic background.
>> Yeah. Thank Well, I am Nigerian. Um I think the problem here is um we think Africans think a lot of the black people that come that they see all over the world are African. And I know people from Papa New Guinea who look black. I know some native Australians who look black. But do they try to claim them as African though? Rainey, do they?
>> No.
>> Uh, Sam, are you driving? Andy, hold on.
Let me mute you cuz I want Tik Tok to Listen now. I need you to park up. I heard indication. That's what I heard. I heard indicators. Tick tick. So stick around, but pull over. Are you >> I am I I am driving. I will stop if you if you connect me.
>> Yeah, Addy, you're here. Just pull over for me and then I'll let you talk. Okay.
All right. Um, so Samantha, your ethnic background and where you're based.
>> Um, I'm in um I'm in Texas. I'm um 58.
Um, okay. So, um, let me answer the question and I have a a couple of questions for you. Um, so on Blackish being used to >> Samantha, I'm so sorry. There's like this weird feedback. Are you in a quiet room or I'm hearing like when you're talking I'm hearing like two of you or something? I am. Let me Is it still echoing?
>> No, it's fine now. You're good now.
Okay, go ahead.
>> Cool. All right. So, is um black British being um race Caribbean? I do. You know what? I'll answer the second question.
Um are you pen are you a pen? No, never have been. And yeah, you know, I never thought of that. I mean, not for any reason. I just haven't, you know, but um black British race. You know what? I've never thought about that um Holly until I start coming across your >> I'm so sorry the noise. It does sound weird. I don't know what that is. It's like this feedback when you're speaking.
>> Okay. So, I'll drop down and I'll come back because I don't I'm not sure what it is. I'll I I'll drop down and come back. Is that okay?
>> No, you you sound fine NOW. I DON'T [laughter] WAIT, DROP DOWN. COME BACK UP. Maybe that will make it more consistent and I'll bring you up.
>> All right. All right.
>> Okay. All right. Uh, in the meantime, Andy, I'll come to you in a bit. Let me know when you pulled over. Ricky, your ethnic background and where you're based.
>> What's going on?
>> I'm in PA. My mother's My mother's Jamaican and my father's from America.
He's black American.
>> You live in the States?
>> Yeah, I live in Pennsylvania. I live in Philadelphia, but >> Okay.
>> Um, yeah. I mean, you're right though. I stand with you on on most of the things that you say. Uh, and I don't want people to think I'm anti-African before I say anything. You >> have to be that. But fair enough. I get it. [laughter] I >> Yeah, because you got to say that. You got to say that before you get into your, you know what I mean? People going, "Oh, he's anti-African."
>> Actually, I don't care anymore. People People will call you that regardless.
So, I just stopped saying that. I stopped saying it.
>> But there's a what I see is that people use this thing like unity talk, right?
They'll I don't have a word for it. I don't really But it's like unity talk.
They'll use the word unity. Why do we unite? Ra.
But really in function it's like a takeover situation, but you're using words like unity to veil the fact that you're trying to overtake like everything that I am. My history, my my name. If you can erase my name, you will do that too. I mean, think about it. How can I be in community with two billion strangers half a world away?
I can't.
And if I unite with you, all that happens is you overwhelm through sheer numbers.
And then >> you do know them that the people that you're referring to aren't even like that there. So like literally the people because the continent is so huge. The continent of Africa is massive.
There are loads of different countries there, right? And within specific countries, there are like hundreds of tribes.
Everyone's different there. And so this the this unity thing that you're referencing, I know exactly what you're describing. It's extremely disingenuous.
Uh guys, let's get to 65,000, please.
Let's tap it up. Okay, let's get there.
And what I've learned is I I've learned is that words can be used to manipulate people's minds. Like word games, >> you're saying something you're saying a word that has positive connotations, >> but you're using it as cover for for an actual action that's different, right?
Because I asked myself, what do I gain by so-called unifying with you? I don't gain anything.
Um, yeah. I mean, it's a dicey situation. We deal with it in America and now I mean because I have family in the UK cuz you know >> One second Ricky. I'm so sorry guys.
65,000 please. Literally like I need to see hearts on the screen. What's going on? I just need to see you tapping because like I hold my pee, right? And then I have like two toilet breaks. Last week I was on for like 15 hours. The week before it was 15 hours. The week before it was 15 hours and a half. The week before that 14. Week before 12.
Like reciprocate. Please cuz it's no joke. And I won't go to bed today. Look, when I came on it was dark. Look, it's bright now.
Like come on. Show love. Please. Go ahead Ricky. I won't quit you again.
>> No. No. Um but yeah, like I was saying like um yeah, you guys are going through it too. Um, and I don't want Africans to think that I have anything against them, per se, but you got to say what you mean. You got to mean what you say.
There's a lot of manipulation that goes on with word games and what have you, saying certain words that, you know, have positive connotations, but it doesn't really mean in function uh what would happen or what's what's going on. But, um, yeah, you know, I stand with y'all. Only thing is that there is a lot of anti-American sent sentiment in the UK and other parts of the world and sometimes I feel like that bleeds into this these conversations but I'm going to land with that.
>> So what do you think's happening? Like why do you think at this point these are the kind of conversations where we're having to have and why do you think it gets deemed anti- African?
>> Well, because there's there's like there's acceptable bigotry, right?
There's bigot there's two types of bigotry. There's bigotry that's acceptable and there's bigotry that's unacceptable. Right? You can't be anti-African.
You can't be anti a couple other things.
But like and in these blind spots of acceptable bigotry like you can be anti-American. That's fine. Nobody's going to shout you down. And I don't know about where you're from, but maybe you can be anti-Caribbean and people aren't going to shout you down >> or whatever. little acceptable bigotry.
And in those spaces of of acceptable bigotry, right?
>> You have a situation where these the conflicts fester, right? These conversations, that's where they grow and they breed in those because the people that are subject to the acceptable bigotry are like, "Hold on, wait. I'm being discrim I'm being this is not fair to me. this situation, this dynamic, this conversation, but because it's socially acceptable, um, you know, it it becomes a thing.
[clears throat] So, I feel like the the forms of acceptable bigotry need to be need need to be addressed. And people say, well, it's because people have privilege and dynamic uh uh people have privilege and and and whatever. Um, I don't know. I mean, I I don't know in the UK if it's acceptable to be bigoted towards Caribbean people or Caribbean descent people or whatever, but >> I think like, okay, look, like, yeah, people won't like it, but the reality is being Caribbean heritage in Britain is a flex, >> right? It just is like being Caribbean heritage in Britain is a flex, but Caribbean heritage people in Britain love being Caribbean heritage because it's a flex and we like we [snorts] like what we are and no one's ashamed in Britain to say they're Caribbean. You you won't come across someone who's Caribbean heritage in Britain who when you ask are you Caribbean? They say you won't you won't hear that they're Caribbean. They'll just say, "Yeah, because it's so great to be that." So, >> I love that. I'm seeing the [ __ ] I'm seeing at the moment, >> the [ __ ] I'm seeing at the moment, uh, yeah, call it call it call it racism, call it whatever you want. Like, we we just like what we are. So the thing is people that are doing the stuff I'm seeing at the moment where um they're not Caribbean heritage and they're of West African backgrounds and they're trying to mock Caribbean heritage people or push stereotypes and so on and so forth. When I've addressed this, the conversation has been with some of the people it's been well when we were kids uh we got we got bullied and we were bullied for being African. So maybe that's why people are doing what we're seeing now. And I'm like, okay, so there's trauma. Um, but generally speaking, like no one can make me feel insecure about being Caribbean heritage is dead. Just not going to happen.
>> Right. Right. That's >> KK K said, "But FBAs don't like Caribbean people." I imagine this is going to come up quite a lot because it it does every week. Um, I've already addressed people that don't like Caribbean heritage people. I've already addressed it. Um, so I'm not going to keep addressing it. But what I will say is if anyone does not like Caribbean heritage people, I don't like them.
Anyone that doesn't like my community, I don't like. Now, we have plenty of FBA people that come through every week that are very supportive and very fond of what I'm I'm talking about and so on and so forth. So, I try not to put them in a box. But generally speaking, there are many people, right, um that in addition to showing support, there are people that claim to be that and do dumb [ __ ] and when they do, I stick it on them. It happened last week. Like I'm not I'm not shy. Anyone that doesn't like my community, I just don't like or not. And I will match energy. I promise you it's not it's not an issue for me.
>> As you should.
>> I don't I don't pick and choose.
Anyone that was here last week saw that.
So I don't I don't pick and choose. If you support what I'm doing and you support my community in Britain, cool.
If you don't, that's fine. But like if you try something, I will match it.
That's it. I don't like who doesn't like me and I don't like who doesn't like my community. That's as simple as that. So people are here that are supportive of our community. You saw that were you were you there for that?
>> Yes. [laughter] >> I don't know why she thought she could do that [ __ ] I'm just saying. But hey, listen. Like I like I said like I said I match energy. That's it. I just I'm not picky and choosy. If you don't like me, I don't like you. If you don't like my community, I don't like you. Simple as.
If you like my community and you like me, then I like you. If you're respectful, I'm respectful. I match energy.
>> All right. I got one question for you, host.
>> Hold on, hold on, hold on, Ricky. All this be the bigger person coalition [ __ ] is [ __ ] and I don't subscribe to it.
Being the bigger person is why people are running their mouth the way they're running their mouth and no one's saying anything to them. So, I will uh go ahead and play that. Yeah, I'm going to land.
Uh, does it affect, And I'm going to be honest with you, does does it affect how you see uh your countrymen in the UK?
Like, for example, do these conversations affect how you approach your real life as far as um dealing with people? Because for me, it does a little bit affect like don't get me wrong, if I come across Africans in real life, I'm like, I get along with them. It's okay. But I I'm not going to lie, there was this one time where my mom had to get something fixed on her house and the guy he was African and I said, "Hey, uh, does he have any credentials? Has anybody v" Because they scam a lie and I don't want my mother to get scammed. So I'm like, "Yo, did does he have any credentials? Uh, does any did anybody vouch for this guy?" D and turns out >> check Ricky might check again. You think you think we're better? That's why that upset you when I said that. Are you upset? Did it upset you that I said Caribbean heritage people being Caribbean is a flex. That upset you, didn't it? Like it upsets a lot of people. Yeah. When I say that, because that's just what it is. You don't like when we enjoy what we are. That's my point. And I'm glad you're proving it cuz you're here and you're upset about it. You are upset cuz I I read your comment, bro. I saw it. You said, "See, she just showed her true colors." Like [laughter] she thinks she said it's a flex. Like she thinks that they're better than us. THAT'S WHAT [laughter] YOU SAID.
LISTEN, I LIKE WHAT I AM. I'M NOT GOING TO CRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT. Just cuz you don't like it. It is a flex. It is.
It is. Now, what you should do is see your identity as a flex. That's what you should do, shouldn't you? But you won't cuz you don't want to. And then you want to stick your trauma on me. I'm mine. WE LIKE WHAT WE ARE. I'M SORRY THAT'S UPSETTING FOR YOU. I'M SORRY, but again, think of your mental health. If this is triggering for you, don't watch. YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR HOURS. Uh Ricky, I'm sorry. I got this.
>> No, but uh I was telling a story about how I told my mom not to trust this African guy. Turned out to be a scammer and I was right and he was upset about it. Ra. But like the point is I I the one question I wanted to ask you was does it affect how you view things in real life? Like suppose you had a business deal to do, right? Or or or one of your folks, right? And it it turned out to be an African person. Would you like like I don't know. Would you take pause and be like, "I don't know. Hold on. Wait. Let's check this guy's paperwork."
[snorts] Okay.
So, okay. In real life, I'll just answer the question at the base level. In real life, the way I interact with people is how I interact with people in general, which is I'm respectful to who's respectful to me. That's literally it. Um, especially given the fact that I've been around so many different ethnic backgrounds when living in London and so on and so forth, right? Um, I was very open-minded with the different communities and their different cultures and all the rest of it. Very open-minded, right? But because of the stuff I'm seeing at the moment, I'm just more cautious.
So, I will I have no issues engaging with other communities. Like, duh. Like, that's this it's Britain. Like, you're going to meet people from everywhere and it's not an issue. But I am very mindful of uh the sentiments that people may potentially be holding secretly. Right?
So the way I interact with people hasn't changed and it's not going to change cuz I'm going to interact with people the way I interact with people. I'm always going to be respectful. Um, but I I guess really to answer your question, what has happened and what has changed for me is the panafricanist sentiments that I once held, that's what's changed.
So for me, this whole well, you know, we've all got these shared experiences and, you know, black, I don't I don't have those views. I've always been very proud of my culture and my ethnic background and my community and growing up in Birmingham around Caribbean heritage people. I love what we are and how we are and how we do things. Um, but I never I never focused, should I say, on um the potential resentments that others might have towards my community until uh I started seeing some of the content I was seeing and then I ignored it and then I started engaging in these conversations and then I saw it on a huge scale. And so because of that now I'm just a lot more mindful should I say but my interactions haven't changed or wouldn't change. Uh it's just my my uh views on certain ideologies around panafricanism have absolutely shifted completely. Like I'm I don't subscribe to that anymore. But yeah, the way I interact with people is just the same.
That hasn't changed.
>> All right. Yeah, that that's completely understandable. I'm I'm in the same uh mindset.
>> Might check again. You're so upset. I love it. Uh, sorry. Go go go ahead, Ricky. It's just It's just >> But I I land though cuz I I I just wanted to cuz I'm of the same mindset.
But I'm not going to lie. There's a lot of scammers that happen to have African last names where I'm at. So, if I have a business deal to do, and I'm not going to I'm going to be honest. Well, >> if they got an African last name like the four the 419 stuff >> whatever whatever it is but like I everybody in the United States I don't know about it in the UK but everybody in the United States at some point an African has try has tried to scam them or maybe their mother or maybe their one of their folks. So now it's like is it like an unspoken thing? Because nobody wants to lose their job or or get highlight or or get tagged as a bigot, >> you know, cuz you could lose your job.
You could lose your job.
>> But Ricky, the thing is you will you will get branded that way regardless.
Like for example, right now you've got uh what are you called, Mr. Mike? You're called Mike Checker Game. Now Mike Checker Gang has been here for hours.
Okay, he's been here in the chat for hours. I haven't blocked him. He's just been here though for hours crying. See, she thinks she's better and she thinks he's this and he he's engaging and he's sitting here stressing himself out watching this, right? And being upset instead of leaving. But he's here and what he's saying is, "See, she thinks she's better. See, she's doing the same corny [ __ ] and see this effect." This is YOU'RE GOING TO GET this regardless, Ricky. So I think being being if [clears throat] you're aware of like certain things uh that happen uh frequently uh with certain groups, right? There's nothing wrong with being aware of that and being and being cautious, but I just think the only thing you don't need to do is like uh discriminate or be cold towards X community, right? But being mindful of things that you just know are a thing statistically, there's nothing wrong with that. But if you talk about certain things, yeah, regardless, people are going to get upset. It's just gonna happen regardless.
>> All [clears throat] right, that's up. I land.
>> That's okay, Rick. Stick around. Someone might want to uh address you. Okay. Uh, Samantha, should we try again?
>> I'm not driving now. I'm fine. I'm holding.
>> I'll meet.
>> All right, Auntie. Hold on. I'll come to you. Samantha was here before you. Okay.
So, I'm just going to let her speak.
>> All right.
>> How do I How do I sound?
>> Girls composing about how Africans view.
Can you write properly, Mike? I don't want to have to block you. You need to do better with how you writing sentences.
Furthermore, stop trying to pretend like I present Africans as a monolith. You know who I'm talking about. I've been very specific. But because it's uncomfortable for you, you would have throw yourself in there with every African. [laughter] You know who I'm talking about. Let's not do that.
Go ahead, Samantha. Your ethnic background and where you based for those that can't remember.
>> I'm in Texas. Um, and I'm Can you hear me? Okay, >> I can. You sound much better.
>> Thank you. So, I'mma answer the first question. I mean the second question first. So um are you? No I'm not. I've never subscribed to that and it's nothing I don't have anything against Africans or anything like that. It's just that I just never subscribe to it.
I always focus my community here on this. Um the first question is black British being used to erase Caribbean identity. This is very this is a very interesting conversation and I'm glad that you brought it over to Tik Tok because I'm going be honest with you it's something that a lot of us look at because when I hear British I don't think to differentiate between Jamaicans Africans not do you understand what I mean and you know because they put it out there is and I'm gonna be honest with you now I I did my research about the gold rush and my stuff when you brought it I think I heard about it before, but once you brought it to Tik Tok, I started doing a lot of research and it kind of opened my eyes. See, >> the wind rush.
>> The wind rush. I'm sorry. Go rush.
>> That's okay. It's okay.
>> You You know what I mean? I'm sorry, guys. [clears throat] >> Yeah, I see it. Don't worry.
>> Wind.
>> Yeah, but the wind rush. So, I did my re on that, right, for you guys. So, that's very interesting. That's one thing. The second thing is what I'm coming to see is and again I don't have anything against anybody. I'm not you know FBA's like you just we're not a monolith you know everyone doesn't every FBA doesn't you know dislike other people you know all this kind of but we just kind of see things as they are. What I'm oh god I hate to say this but I'm just going to say it. When Africans kind of migrate into other melanated cultures, they try they tend to tame themselves and try to take over the struggles and everything that that culture has fought for in front of you. You understand what I'm saying? They haven't gone through what we went through as you know the um you know of Jamaican um I'm going to I'm only speaking to you the Jamaican Brits.
You know, you guys went through slavery.
you guys went through, you know, the migration, of course, black Americans, FDA, you know, we went through, we everybody knows what we went through, right? When I think about, don't get me wrong, I know that they were colonized, but they didn't go through what we went through and we came outside of the struggle because they're still being colonized on their on their continent today and slavery is still happening.
But what they're doing is they're coming over to um cultures that have gone through all of these struggles. for me in America is four and five years struggling and fight that establish our coming over to latch themselves on to that and from listening to your conversation it seems like they're kind of doing the same thing as you guys correct me if I'm wrong you know the same thing with you guys and pretty much trying to erase everything that you and your people just like me and my people has fought for and it's almost like they look at us like less than because in their minds they feel like we all der from them like we're their child or something like that. You understand what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. Someone said that actually. They said, "You're our children." I said, "Oh, >> in America, a lot of us was already here." But that's a conversation for a whole another day. I'm not even going to get into that, you know, argument, you know, to stick on this topic. So, they didn't put any points on the board and they want to dominate the field. Does that make sense?
>> You understand what I'm saying? And like I said before your conversation came to mind, I only looked at it as I'm gonna be honest with you as black British culture. I didn't think to separate it.
So I'm glad you're bringing this up and you are, you know, shout out to you. You know, I I'm talking you guys, you're standing up for yourself and I don't want to call them cancer, but kind of it that's what it is. when they go to other you know areas with millions of people who has been there they want to you know um monopolize and take over it and you know so that's what I wanted to ask the conversation uh co >> okay so that cool thank you so um I was trying to listen really carefully cuz your voice is coming in and out a little bit but what I'll say is you see how you said um and it was a very honest take so thank you you see how you said We I didn't know uh that like I I used to view you guys as like just black British and this that and the third. That was one of the things that I was seeing from American uh black content creators and I was hearing references to like black British movements and there's a new black British movement and oh well you know they're talking about black rich culture. I said, "Who is telling them this?" Cuz it's not a thing. And anyone here knows that that's not a thing.
Like, we've got race. Yes. But then we're ethnicity focus. So, who like who's doing that, right? Um, I had some people a good few weeks back that were like, "Yeah, well, Coley, like uh you you guys like black British uh uh actors are are coming into our American spaces and taking over our taking over our roles and this that and the third." And I was like, "Shit." Like, you don't literally THINK THAT IT'S LIKE A shared monolithic [clears throat] identity over here. Like I know which which actors for example people are referring to that are really big and amazing in Hollywood and I know what their ethnic backgrounds are. You see what I'm saying? Like I just Ala is Sierra Leon, right? Uh John Bea, he's he's Nigerian. So the guy that did uh what's it called? They clone Tyrone, right? Did you watch They Clone Tyrone on Netflix? Was he a he he was somewhere in a he's African, right?
>> Yeah, he's Nigerian.
>> Yeah.
>> And Cynthia Revo, who talks negatively about black Americans, but always plays like Harriet Tubman and stuff, which is wild.
>> Like flipping um the guy that did Get Out, he's Ugandan.
>> Ugandan.
>> Ugandan, I think he is. that called Newborn. That gentleman that plays in that movie, I cannot think of his name, but I know that I think he's not three and two.
>> Newborn, >> but he's British though.
>> Which show did you say? Newborn.
>> Oh, Newborn.
>> Newborn.
>> Is that a series?
>> No, it's a new movie. It just came out this month.
>> Newborn.
>> Newborn. Oh, okay. Oh, 2026.
>> I've seen him before. Um, I think >> he played um >> David. Oh, yeah. Wait, that name is definitely a Nigerian.
That's a Nigerian name. Hold on, let me look. [clears throat] Uh, that's definitely a Nigerian name. I'll be shocked if it wasn't.
Yeah, he's Nigerian. He's Eurovva.
>> And he played He played Martin Luther King Selma. He He's been playing a lot of Yeah. A lot of Yeah. So, that's when I think that But he's British though.
He's He's Nigerian British.
>> Well, yeah. Um the guy who played So if you saw the movie uh 12 12 is it 12 years a slave? Is that what it was called?
>> British.
>> No. Is he?
>> Yeah. He's Nigerian too.
>> He's evil. Right. So this is the thing like we in Britain we we know what our ethnic backgrounds are and we focus on it. I think what happens is when people outside of the UK are are looking in, they don't know that. So then they think there's this monolithic thing and it's not a thing.
Like those are Nigerian actors. THE DUDE WHO ACTED in Snowfall, which I watched, Snowfall was amazing. He's Nigerian. The lead dude is Nigerian. He's British.
He's Nigerian.
>> Right. You see what I'm saying? Like >> Yeah.
>> A lot of us didn't know that. A lot of us didn't know the difference, you know.
>> I know. I know.
>> I agree. Because even on on on like Tik Tok, I always knew there were black people in Britain, but like the recent Tik Tok back and forth, I was like, well, I didn't know black British people had an issue with us. Like I thought everything was, you know, at least kosher. But then after like having a better lens into things, I'm like, uh, cuz the issue seemed to arise when a certain influx came into Britain.
because I never really saw this all the other decades. So, this is interesting.
>> Oh, what did you uh Sorry, just a second. Kim, I heard you. By the way, anger said uh Kim Badok, Kami Badon, sorry, is black British, refuses to call herself Nigerian. What do you think of that? I think uh what I think of everyone that doesn't like to say what they are, I think they're self-hating. Simple as that. Simple as that. [laughter] >> Because we're delineating.
>> It's as SIMPLE AS THAT. KAMI BAD IS against reparations, right? Um for Caribbean heritage people. Okay. as far as the transatlantic slave trade goes, she's against that, right? And anyone who is racially black, which would include um Thank you. which would include people in the Americas as a whole, right? She's against uh reparations being paid for that because according to her, why should we um pay for something that we helped eradicate? She's Nigerian.
She's Nigerian. Do you KNOW HOW IRONIC THAT IS THAT A Nigerian heritage woman is talking ABOUT WHAT AND WHAT she feels Britain should do as far as reparations is concerned for people that were victims of the transatlantic slave trade that her ancestors didn't experience. Do you know how crazy that is? But this is the thing, like outside of Britain, uh well in the in the US, should I say, there isn't necessarily an understanding of of ethnic relations within blackness in in the UK and in general, cuz we're very ethnicity focused. We know what race is. That's just our racial classifications, but under that, we're ethnicity focused. And um I don't think people necessarily in the states know know that. Like I I don't think people really know what that is. But yeah, so when when I hear stuff like, "Oh, well your actors are taken off." It makes me laugh. Like [laughter] the list of the actors.
>> Yeah. The the only one with Caribbean descent that I know of is Delroy Lindo.
And we love him. We lowkey kind of claim him, not going to lie. [laughter] Yeah, he played in centers, but he's um >> but he's always been like so supportive and Yeah, he's great.
>> Oh, bless him. Yeah. And um >> Krooklyn also.
>> Yeah.
>> The lady in um uh what's it called? Uh Queen and Slim, the the leading female, she she was I think she was Jamaican Heritage, but that's it. Like generally speaking, when I look at like the the the actors that have really broken Hollywood for the most part as like British actors, Yeah. a lot of them are are African heritage for the most part heavily.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] >> And we're very we're very clued up on on ethnicity. Like there's this film, what's that film called where they have to walk and not stop walking or else they'll get shot. Have you seen it? Uh, it was a horror. I don't know if you've seen it.
It's called The Long Walk, right?
Have you seen that? It's like a thriller. It's to be honest, I wouldn't recommend it. The film was [ __ ] >> There's another one called Behind Her Eyes. Have you Have you Have you heard of that?
>> That's a good one.
>> Pretty girl. She's Yeah, she's She's Jamaican.
>> She's Jamaican. Oh, okay. That one. That was great. That was a British show though. That was British.
>> It's a great great series. My brother showed me that from a series. I really enjoyed it.
>> It's kind of creepy though. You know [laughter] >> that astral projection [ __ ] Yeah, it's no joke. It's no joke. Um but yeah, like if you if if when people look at like British British actors, like there's a guy who was in The Long Walk. I looked at him.
He was um so not the leading black guy, it was the guy who was like one of the leading black guy, should I say. And I looked at him, I said, "Oh, he looks sen." And I'm looking at him like not phenotypically. He looks sen. I can see that, right? His acting is an American, but he's a British actor. And then when I checked, he's Sudanese.
And it made sense cuz I was like, "Yeah, well, he looks sin. He's he's British, but he's he's Sudanese." And this is the point. It's like um I think for people in Britain, we we we're kind of trying to look at ethnicity in general because it's just a normal way of life. Um so it's never a thing where I look at someone and say, "Oh, they're they're black British." It's just not it's just not how we we leave it. Ebo City Girl, what's her name? City Girls.
Oh, hold on. Let me do it this way.
Let's have a look, shall we?
>> So, while you're looking for that, let me ask you a question if that's okay.
So, are you guys um delineating on paper? I mean um how as far as paperwork, how does it go over there for you guys?
>> So, okay. So, to be clear, this is the thing. This delineating thing, that's not a thing because structurally we already have our respective ethnical identifiers. So under black British, you are black Caribbean um or black African in Britain. That's just what it is. Or black other.
>> Okay.
>> So when I'm saying I don't like this other thing which is this attempt to remove um the Caribbean or African from things and then tell everyone it's just black British. That's what I have a problem with. On paper, we're already different.
So, I find it really annoying when people try to blend it. It's just flipping irritating. Do you know what I mean?
>> Got it. Yeah. In America, we're like we're all under one category.
>> But they're they're starting to um separate cuz like when you um fill out the uh I think it's the fast Yeah.
Uh-huh. They're separated there. When I started doing these lives, I was told um no co we don't call ourselves like Africanamean. We actually say uh black American which was new for me. Like I said earlier that was new information. I didn't know that. Right. I thought uh everyone was every like I thought African-American was a separate ethnic identity and then anyone who was um racially black came under black American in America. That's what >> that's what I thought. [clears throat] >> It's like interchangeable. The thing is that we've been reclassified due to like us not having the power like when it comes to the names that are put on documentation, but we've been reclassified several times. Um, and even the term African-American, that didn't come around until the '8s.
>> Like our grandparents were not saying African-Amean when they were growing up.
>> So like it was a new term and even then there were black Americans cuz there's even newspaper clippings of them kind of pushing back on that term like who decided this [laughter] and >> I'm laughing at I'm laughing at Mike Check again is actually having a a crisis.
>> Oh. [laughter] trying to figure out anything to say like >> and the thing is that it's taken as like us like hating Africans and that's not that's not what it's about. It's not about being anti-African. It's we are American. We are black Americans and the reason why we say black is because it's white people in America too.
>> You know what I'm saying? So that's why we have the white American black American thing. But if not like we would be like Jamaicans and Haitians and just say American. You know what I mean? So, >> and not just that, black is also our culture. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
We fought and died in blood and you know for black is our culture and our ethnicity. You understand what I mean?
And when that aa term came about in 1988, my grandmother I remember cuz listen I ain't going to tell my age but I remember when it came about the first thing that she said was we ain't African. We're not from a you understand what I'm saying? So, and and like you said, Kim, it's not hate. It's just us as identifying and loving who we are.
And and what I hear a lot of Africans say, "Well, you're you're self-hating.
You hate yourself." No, I actually love myself.
>> I'm just going to let you know who I am, so you should love you, too.
>> You know what I mean? So, yeah. I think as soon as I think generally speaking, if you are if you are the way I'm seeing it being used within this specific context anyway with these lives, guys, um let's get to 100K real quick because it needs to be at 200k by the time I'm done anyway. So, let's get to 100K. It's free. Um let's tap this. I don't want to turn the chat off long.
So, let's just get to 100K. It it won't take long. It's just easy to do. Uh, I will look I will look at that BLK love.
I saw that. I will I will look for that.
Um, yeah. I think generally speaking, when you're when you're proud of what you are within this context, when we're having these conversations, that's when I suddenly see this whole you're you're selfhating or you're anti- African or you're xenophobic or you're this that and the third. It's like, you know, if you just stand in what you are, then I'll just celebrate what you are as you celebrating what you are. And I'll say, "Oh, yeah. I love that you're celebrating that." And I'll leave it like that. And then when we're celebrating what we are, then you should do the same. But usually it's taken as though in celebrating what you are, it's it's anti- West African or or it's self-hating or it's putting down another community. And usually the people that have that talking point, I am convinced they are self-hating, but they use the self-hating argument to make others feel uncomfortable with celebrating what they are.
>> It's a projection. It's all a projection basion. It is it is projection. It literally is projection. Like when I when I started these conversations and I was focusing on my community and speaking to my community and then I saw the foolishness from from people that weren't part of the community, right?
And I was seeing the stuff I was being very mindful of my words because I understood how sensitive uh people were around their identity. So I didn't I didn't go where I could have gone. Right. But then I realized that no matter what it it's it's going to get treated as as that in general and it's going to be weaponized this whole well you you just you're just self-hating and you don't like arrogance. I knew it was it was just going to go there regardless and then I said oh well [ __ ] if that's just what's going to happen then I'm just going to have to speak very plainly.
Let's let's be very honest about what's going on here cuz I don't try and steal from other people's identities. I don't try and cosplay. I don't pretend. And I don't get upset if someone says they're what they are and they're celebrating what they are. I I love that for whoever they are. If they're celebrating their community, I love that for them. I've been around loads of different communities that like what they are.
Nothing wrong with it. It's nice. But when uh the way you feel about your community now needs to encroach on on how my community sees itself or how we celebrate our identity. Then I have to look at you funny and say, "Oh, well, do you not feel like you're good without attaching yourself to what we are?"
Like, it's weird. I just don't take it seriously. And I feel like not everyone uses the or views the term black in the same way because I've noticed and in many instances black is used to kind of like merge yourself with the group to be like, "Oh, well, we're all black, so you know, we should all get X, Y, and Z." Or if there's like a negative stat, it would be like that's that's black, right? But if there's a positive stat or like something that's about them, it'll be oh yes, like that's that's a Nigerian thing, you know? But like blackness is is used in a way to either kind of sweep their negative things under the rug or it's used as a way to kind of merge themselves in with other black Americans on that like oh like we're all black now >> and that's problematic because that's not how we use our blackness.
>> Great point. YOU KNOW >> ORIGINAL ORIGINAL ONE I DID see you try and come up. I don't know what happened though. You can try and come up again. I I'll bring you up. I don't know what happened. it just like dropped you. But you you can try and come back up.
>> And another thing >> Yeah. And another thing um in the ' 70s we're the ones who made, you know, um black um a cultural thing. We made it um proud to be black. And I remember, you know, growing up, the first thing that they said when I encountered them, if I hope y'all can hear me, okay, when we encounter, >> okay, when we encountered them, they was like, "No, I'm not black. I'm African or I'm Nigerian or I'm Domin."
But now that you know um and I'll just say this for me not denigrating anyone else but how they view a lot of black Americans some of the most powerful melanated people on the globe. Now everybody wants to be black. Do you understand what I'm saying? And I'm not talking for black Brits and all that kind of stuff cuz I looked at y'all the same. I'm going to be honest like I said earlier. You know what I mean? Because I just didn't know the difference. But I'm talking about the ones who >> You understand what I'm saying? And again, I don't want to sound like I'm crapping on Africans, but because they see us in such a negative way, I'm not feeling y'all either. You understand what I'm saying? So, they use it for their convenience, but also they use it as a weapon against us too. Stay away from and you know, we have, you know, they have terms, you know, for us, but stay away from those people >> like slave babies. Have you had babies, Akatas, uh, >> Jaries?
I had Nigerian people tell me about the slave babies time for for Caribbean people in Britain. That was crazy. A Jet magazine survey from the 60s. It's a video. I have it up, but I don't it it's it's like a minute long, but they literally referred to African-American as a skitso term. Like like they had did a survey and they was just like, "Which one do you want to be called? negro black color afroamerican or the skitso term African-American. So our our older >> what >> our older like generation they never liked that term like it was never something that we created for ourselves.
>> And so think about this what what's happening now in our renaissance in our delineation is only a response to what we've been dealing with for decades. Do you understand what I'm saying? This didn't come overnight. We're just like, you know what? You're you. We're us.
That that's just it. We have been dealing with this psychological torture from them for decades. And I feel like it's due to pan-Africanism where like we're just like, oh, well, like, you know, they're family. They don't really mean it. [laughter] >> Well, I wanted to say something about the slave baby comment. I >> Go ahead.
>> I I am I look, I'm somewhat familiar with what goes on in Africa. And if you know what goes on in Africa, black Africans are of by other Africans are often referred to as slaves. Um, North Africans refer to black um Africans, South Sahara as slaves, East Africans, South Africans. So, it almost seems like it's like, oh man, here's our opportunity to to offload that cuz that's trauma that everybody on your continent caused you slaves cuz that's what they do.
So now gi given the narrative that they get from the west, they have an they see an opportunity to offload that trauma.
And that's kind of what I I I I I see it as um >> yeah, I mean >> you're right, Ricky. Another thing I want to add to the conversation, and I hate So I've been getting my hair braided off and on for about um with the same woman for about 20 years now, right? I'm going to tell you something.
A lot of the girls that used to come into her shop, this is what they told me. They told me that that >> the lady who did your hair >> Yeah. They're African. Uh-huh. Off and on for about 20 years. This is what they told me. And listen up um uh panel and chat. They told me that they never even heard about the transatlantic slave trade until they got to America. They said that they didn't learn it growing up that they didn't even know that they was connected to us. So this is something that um do you understand what I'm saying? So for so again off and on for 20 years. So this could have been 10 years ago when they told me that, right?
And so now all of a sudden they're saying, "Oh, okay. So these people come from us." Do you understand what I'm saying? So my question to them is if the >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
base journey. [laughter] [sighs] The host is letting him spread lies.
You're a child. I imagine you're a child. I'm hoping you're not a child because listen, I let people respond. I let people talk. I let people address things. What goes on in Britain is what goes on in Britain and I'll talk on Britain. What goes on in the States, I can't talk on. So if you feel that there's something that's being said that's not true, what you should do based journey is request.
So I'm going to give you a chance base journey to request up so you can set the record straight.
How about that? Base journey. Everyone pause for a moment. Base journey request up.
I'm literally going to give you a good 20 seconds as well to request up and set the record straight.
What happened to base journey? What happened?
Base journey is like not here now. Huh.
Interesting.
Feel like there's like 5 seconds left.
face journey. No, you're not you're not going to come up.
No.
Oh, not everyone has time to talk about she, but you've got time to be here and it crying. You got time to be here crying and typing a it. That's what you've got time to do. But you ain't got time to come up and talk what you're typing. Is Is that right?
You waited ages just to type stupid [ __ ] Come on. Just come up. You got time to type. So, I imagine you've got time to talk. It's quicker than typing.
Actually, did you know that? You can actually just say it instead of typing it out and hitting zen. Of course, he's scared.
Are you going to come up based?
No.
It's really not. So now you're just going to say things that don't make sense. Okay, based you can shut up then, can't you? And stop chatting [ __ ] cuz you're shook. Like literally waste maning. You're so shook. You can't even come up and say what you were typing.
There's names for people like you. But let me not. There's literally names for people like you. It's embarrassing.
If you're going to accuse me of something, accuse me of something that's true. Don't just chat [ __ ] like I'm in America. Do I know what's going on over there? No. So, I have to trust Americans to speak. Say it, bro. Oh, I think you're a [ __ ] That's what I think. I think you're a [ __ ] Think you're a little little [ __ ] and you can't cover up cuz you're shook. Say some more stupid [ __ ] I'm blocking you.
Okay. Uh, who was speaking?
>> Oh, >> I can't go I can't follow that, honey.
No, I was just saying um my my the ladies was tell a lot of things that they learned about our history, they didn't know it until they got here. You understand what I mean? So, it's not like you and so for them and and I wanted to say this to say they always tell us we don't know where we came from, but we have 500 years uh plus document. Now, this is on paper that we know our history here. Yeah. You know what I mean? and plus the verbal, but they, you know, travel from and I and and another thing that I didn't learn, and again, I'm not trying to denigrate anybody. A lot of them don't even know their grandparents or great-grandparents. So, you understand what I'm saying? So, how are you going to tell us? Because we're we're the most documented people in America. [laughter] You You understand what I'm saying? So, that's just something I wanted to put out. So, when people in the chat, listen, when they come to y'all with these arguments and stuff, they're just projecting. They don't know who they are. We know who we are and same as you, uh, Coley, you know who you are. We know who we are and you know, it's kind of sad actually. So, yeah. And I I'll meet up from there. I'll land right there.
>> Can Can I jump in here, please? Uh, host. Thanks for >> an African boss. HOLD AN AFRICAN BUS. I need to let Rainy go speak first cuz she was waiting. So, give me a moment. Uh, let's get this to 75,000 by the time Rainy Girls finished. Might as well have to pause and wait. and it's long and send me pretty things cuz I like to see it. Rainy go. Go ahead. Your ethnic background and where you're based.
>> Thank you. I'm based in the UK but I am actually African. Um ethnic background.
>> Yeah. Thank you. Well, I am Nigerian. Um I was just going to say thank you for this platform. It's not just an eye opener, but it is a real it's it's very educative and it's way more educated than we realized.
um what most of the speakers have said most of them are really right there is oh well which we all know there is a lot of generalizations who's coming from a lot of people including mostly from the last speaker um things like we don't know about slave trade we literally have museums we still have things in in you know we know bedagri where people were actually buried underground we have the tankers where people were put in and stuffed for days in horrible, horrible conditions.
People were left to die. Some people who didn't die were then transported in ships that are terribly packed down to the US. So, pardon me if your um uh knowledge of Africans has been maybe people who were braiding your hair or probably have come in through illegal means and things like that.
um that obviously doesn't depict the lot of Africans. Um and also we know about people who then tried to escape who then really did not know where they came from because as you rightly said there was no countries then. It was mostly communities. So some of some people spoke um languages that were spoken in Cameroon or in Nigeria.
But because they escaped, they they had to stay in Syria alone and sort of leave there. Um, so it's it's unfortunately that's not the generalization, but I do understand where you're coming from. Um, I would say from my own personal experience from being in the UK. Like I said, I am a Nigerian immigrant. Um, I work with the NHS and I quite frankly also didn't know much about the Caribbean culture. I >> How long have you been in the UK? Do you mind me asking that or?
>> Well, I've only been in the UK for 10 years, >> so I'm still >> I'm quite new to Okay.
>> I am very Yes, I am a baby.
>> Yeah. So, and I wouldn't and I wouldn't in any way denigrate anyone who's been in the UK for hundreds of years or whose culture has actually been, you know, inculcated with the UK culture. Um why yeah why I would say that was like I said I really didn't know so much about the I knew there were Caribbeans in the UK but I didn't know the extent of what had happened before I came. So when I think I needed child care and the the one one of the persons that came to me well that I saw the profile was you know black. So I assumed, oh, she looks she looks evil. And then she had a she had a white, you know, a British name. And I got her and when I saw her, I couldn't understand her because she, you know, she she was Caribbean. And I could tell you she made me, she was a wonderful, wonderful lady. And she made me understand a lot of things that I didn't know about Caribbean people. And I think that is the ignorance of how it plays out in a lot of us who do not know much about other people's culture. It is the same. It's just the same as maybe two nurses arguing at my place of work and one saying, "Well, I am >> Journey. I'm not going to tell you again cuz if I have to tell you again, I am blocking you. If there's something you don't like, come up. Stop moaning."
Like as a man, you should do better, bro. Seriously been moaning sitting here talking about I haven't got time to come up and talk who [laughter] people don't have time for that. YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR AGES LITERALLY TYPING. YOU'VE GOT TIME clearly to come up.
I'm going to give you a chance to come up again. One second, Rainy. Let's give it let's give him an opportunity. Let's see if he changes his mind.
ages. 15. Oh, now we're counting. 15 minutes. You said you didn't have time, but you've been here for 15 minutes typing.
Oh my gosh.
Pathetic. That is so embarrassing.
That is so embarrassing.
Lord forbid I ask you to turn off your camera. You won't cope with that [ __ ] Oh, yeah. Go ahead, Rainy.
>> Right. Getting disconnected.
>> One sec, Andy. It's all right.
>> Right. So, so like I said, um it's it's not in any way to, you know, to denigrate any culture, but it's also good to say a lot of people are actually ignorant about what happens outside outside their community. I mean, we've had cases where you've actually had to Google certain people because you didn't know them. You shouldn't know everything in the world. Um but when you then get to know that has to be respected and I think that's a problem with a lot of people. Now that you know that there are people who have been in the US for 500 years you need to respect that and you also need to know that there are a lot of things that has formed their culture and that needs to be respected.
um um the the people who are Caribbeans didn't just you know have to survive the trans the transatlantic slave trade.
They had to survive coming to the UK being told yeah you just come here do all the work we would you know would have you do and then you know the the whole deception and that needs >> the wind rush. Okay.
>> Yes. The the wind rush. I didn't know about that until I got to the UK. I had to study it for you know for um a lot of things and [clears throat] you know it's also understanding that there is that difference.
>> Mhm. I also wouldn't compare myself with a congalles who has you know been in war who you know the British or whoever it is they the white people are are trying to control who are you know constantly in civil war who you know or people who are fighting wars and I wouldn't in any way disrespect or denigrate what they've gone through because I haven't gone through that and I have a lady who I follow on Tik Tok who talks about the most horrific um terrible the most terrible thing that has been done to humans and that is the slave trade. So I feel I feel so annoyed when anyone either white or African or otherwise kind of just you know belittles what had happened. No, it is something terrible and for any African to say oh we don't know about it is a big lie. We do know about it. We have things. I mean, I still there's a place in Badagri in in in Lagos where, you know, just next to the sea where you have a museum where they showed what the white men actually used to sell the slaves. So, an umbrella was 20 slaves. A teacup was five slaves.
And we have that. We have that. It's still there. So, it's and so it's it's it's not something it's not it's not a small deal. It's not oh pe people have just traveled and lost their identity.
No, people have their identity. They have formed it. Um so I'm going to JUMP TO >> SO RICO is is is the transatlantic slave trade actually um is that taught about in >> I I went to I went to school in Nigeria and I was taught I was taught in primary school.
>> Yes. I was taught in primary school, and I do not care if you think I'm misinforming you, Ron. I don't know what school you went to. I went to a public primary school. I went to um um I went to uh what do we call this? A a faith-based primary school. And I was thought I don't know about you if you didn't go to school or anything. I was thought um >> really girl might check again. Oh, you're definitely a troll cuz you've actually said so many different things now that are like um pulled from a script from different communities. It's actually fascinating. Um you need to pick which angle you want to want to come from because now you're pretending to speak like someone who would be someone that would say they're FBA that doesn't like Caribbean people. Like I recognize that talking point. So you're picking and choosing.
You're literally picking and No, no, no.
I'm talking to the the Mr. Mr. Mike. Mr. Mike check, whatever he's called. You're You're picking and choosing. No, no, no.
Uh I know you want me to ignore trolls.
Uh and um I'm sorry, I can't see the rest of your name. And I understand, but the reason I have to acknowledge certain trolls is because I want people to see what they're doing. Um so that it doesn't go unnoticed. Uh, so I need people to see what these people do because they are working so hard to stop people from having these conversations and you go into all these different places and people are getting pissed off about the [ __ ] you're doing and you don't want anyone to address it. So I've had people come on who pretend to be FBA >> who aren't FBA they're West African or they pretended to be Caribbean. They're not a Caribbean. They're West African.
Like literally it's the same [ __ ] So, I want people to be very mindful and aware of what's going on here because it's actually sick in the head. Seriously, that's why I'm not blocking him, though, because I need I need people to to see this. Some of them Some of them aren't black. No, correct. No, definitely. I'm not lying. I'm telling you, like I've I've seen it. Seriously.
>> The girl who said she was light-skinned earlier, >> she was not a black American.
>> I didn't want to call her out, but yeah.
>> Yeah. I I wanted to say that, too. She definitely was not. Yeah, she she wasn't. Yeah, she was cosplaying, you know, and and it's I mean, she she with especially on this platform, she could have made her point as herself. You understand what I'm saying? But, you know, yeah, she was definitely cosplaying, but it is what it is. You know, >> it is weird. We we like generally speaking I have people from uh as far as the British context is concerned we have people that pretend to be different things. Um and it's it's it's actually funny like for the British context we have people pretending and it's actually hilarious because like if Mike I wish you were here last week you would have seen what I did to the last person that said that super [ __ ] to me.
Host, you're not going to stop me from highlighting stuff, you know. Oh, you can't type properly.
Um, Mike, can you actually just send me something for this material that you're clearly trying to get? Cuz I know every time I address you, it's giving you tingles. So, please send some [ __ ] but I'm going to stay on it. You're not even making sense. Can you send something, though? I usually charge for this.
If not, I'm going to need you to come off my live and find a cam girl.
What material? This is all top of the dome. Oh my gosh, you can't speak.
>> I'm going to stick around though with you. I'm not blocking you yet. I like how weird you are. It's It's um It highlights the kind of uh mental illness that a lot of people have that don't like these conversations. Thank you, Andy. It highlights it. So, I need more people to see people like you. It is helpful. Thank you, Jesse James. I appreciate it.
>> Let's get it to Yeah, let's get to 80K real quick. Let's get to 80K. We can do that. Um, okay.
So, uh, Raino, I'm going to let you conclude your point and then I'm going to bring in African boss.
>> Right. So, so in conclusion, like I said, it's all a matter of respect and sometimes you don't know things and then when you get to know them, you need to respect them and also respect people's struggles. And I think that's where the I wouldn't call it hate for Africans, but I do realize that there there is a lot of, you know, hate because and it's not, you know, it's not that it just didn't come off of a sudden. is because people have said things to people that have been very they've been very mean to people or they they've literally um belittled their experience or their life, you know, what they've gone through um in life. So um anyway, I'll probably just quickly address your question. So is black British culture being >> that so you know with what you just said, do you know what the the cause of that is? like is >> a lot of it a lot of it is one pride to there's this air of I'm better than you which um I see well not just well like I said I work in the NHS I've had Indians who sort of think they're better than me who I have had to then really gotten aggressive about [sighs] which I shouldn't but but I've had to literally have to stand my ground in a lot of I think it's the way of man. And that's how I see it. I might be wrong. It is the I think it's the way of man. It happens a lot in Africa. You'd see Nigerians and Ghanaians at it. You would see Nigerians and South Africans at it.
You know, your experience is nothing.
I'm better than you. Um it's just unfortunately um the way of man. Um the fact that we need to be united is I don't think it's possible, but I think we need to be respected. We need to be respectful of what we all are and that's I think that's probably where I wouldn't call it unity but that's where the purpose of yeah let's move forward will come from. Um a lot of people who you know laugh at things I've had people would say look my um your African son and the Caribbean son is probably going to face the same thing at school because they will all be seen as the same color.
Um that is possible because you know people are going to generalize them in a place where they are both ethnic minorities.
>> Um but at the same time they're different and distinct people. So in a way they will unify because they would then be grouped as as the same by others but at the same time they need to also respect that they all from different struggles and um one should we shouldn't be belittling another. I would say for sure whoever it is he's telling you that um the the the um signs of slave trade aren't there in Africa, I can tell you.
I would try and see if I can send um you know um videos of people doing documentaries about the things that are just in Nigeria alone in Syria alone as well about how people were in bunkers in buried and the bunkers still exist >> um in Fkadas in in in in Portacott in Nigeria in Badagri in Nigeria I know of those cuz I'm Nigerian but other places do have those places in the ports that where places where slaves were kept in horri in horrific conditions. So that's my >> I'm surprised you've come through saying that you're taught that in Nigeria cuz >> I was >> Yeah. Interesting cuz >> Yeah.
>> Can Can I respond real quick and it'll just be real brief. Uh rainy. Um so my ladies they they they're from um Senal.
>> So sorry just cuz you said Nigeria and you said well at some point you were >> I never said Nigeria. I didn't [laughter] I did not. Yeah. No, no, no.
So there and and and this is the thing.
So when we and I said my my ladies, you I notice whenever we say a lot of Nigerians automatically assume that we're talking about No, not at all. You know, I know in certain parts because you know it's West Africa and that's where you know the remnants of it actually is. You understand what I'm saying? But these ladies, they were not from there and they were just telling me their stories. So they they I've been knowing these ladies for 20 years. there was no reason for them to tell a falsehood. And that's fine. And another thing that I wanted to um to um tell you Rainey is when if you ever if you're interested, you know, when you learn about because a lot of people know about the transatlantic slave trade, I would uh I um challenge you to look into the um of course child slavery and how the there again I don't like to have this conversation openly, but there was a lot of uh uh black people that were already here where we were, you know, um um shuffled around here on this mass. A lot of us didn't come directly from Africa.
That's something that people >> Yeah, that's absolutely fine. We, like we said, we, you know, kind of use race to think, you know, um, America is basically the people that were indigenously American and Native Americans.
>> But if if anyone says >> Native Americans are Siberian, so let's let's be clear. Um, but indigenous, that's completely different. Yeah. Yeah.
So, for example, if someone tells me, well, 10 10,000 years ago, >> my ancestry was was American, that's fine.
>> It's not here. Do we do we have to go back 10,000 years? Let's just be >> No, no, no. I'm only saying for for example I'm only saying um if anyone thinks I think the problem here is um we think Africans think a lot of the black people that come that they see all over the world are African and I know people from Papa New Guinea who look black. I know some native Australians who look black.
>> But do they try to claim them as African though Raininey? Do they?
>> No. No. Because they don't have African Aboriginal Aboriginal Australians. NO, >> WAIT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND what now? Do you guys see my point? [laughter] >> Yeah, I get what your point is.
>> What I've been saying is Aboriginal Palian Polynesians.
No, they leave them alone.
>> YEAH.
>> DESPITE DESPITE the nose shapes.
>> Exactly. So, okay. So, since we're talking about this, Randy, thank you for being honest. So, okay, let me ask you something. Why is that? Why do they And and hold on. Another thing, a lot of times they skip over the Caribbeans too, the Haitians. The Haitians and everything and come straight to us. Can you tell me why is that?
>> In South >> I don't understand. Sorry. I'm sorry. I just I literally quickly Oh, sorry.
Someone asked by ethnicity. Yes, I'm Yoruba and I speak Yoruba very well. Is that okay?
>> No, sorry. Someone >> Yeah, don't worry about them. Yeah, we're having a conversation. So, can I ask you something, Rainey? So, you know, we talked about the Paralanisians. We talked about the, you know, the Australians. We talked about them and, you know, and and they skip over them and even sometimes South America, the Haitians and and come straight to black Americans. Can you and and try to claim us? Can you tell me why?
>> Did you start? Just a sec. Hold on. One second.
>> Uh, full stop. What's your ethnic background?
>> What's your ethnic background? Full stop.
>> Me?
>> Yes.
>> I'm African.
>> What's that? What's your effort?
>> Seronian.
>> Ser Leonian. And were you trolling in the comments?
>> Nope.
>> Okay, stick around. I'll come to you in a sec. All right. Go ahead, Samantha.
You were talking to a rainy girl. Go ahead.
>> Yes, ma'am. Did you Did you hear my question, Rainey?
>> Um, sorry. I just I got a bit Yeah. Ask Ask again, please.
>> Okay. So, we just talked about the Palanesians, you know, the Australian.
Yeah. So, can you Okay.
>> Yeah. I think I got your question and why is why it is that these people aren't um claimed. I would say because someone had said in the comments, oh um you're obviously educated.
Yes, I I read books and when I went to school, I went to, you know, a school where it was colonial British um reverend sisters and everything who taugh who taught us and they read, you know, they wrote the history books.
Unfortunately they wrote about races unfortunately. So there is something called negroid you know there is there is you know caucasoids there is mongaloids >> and they will tell us where the negroids originally came from.
So it is difficult for you for someone to now tell me okay I'm American. Um, I've got the negro.
>> But negro features would would still be Australian. Those are negro features.
Pelos, hold on. And some and and some and some Chinese. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'll tell you I'll tell you why they're not.
>> Yes. I'll tell you why. See, here's the here. Here's where it comes. Here's where it come. Okay. So, let's look at science, though. Listen. Listen to this.
>> Hold on, Rainy. Hold on. Let me finish.
Let me finish. So if you believe that, you know, we're the dominant, you know, um, black people are the dominant, you know, race all over the world, anywhere that black people are, they would you agree that they were the first people on that land. Would you agree with that?
>> Uh, not necessarily. I'm I wasn't the first set of people in Britain.
[laughter] I I I wasn't. They've got, you know, >> Yeah. Well, I understand. Not >> Okay, so that that's not a negro to you.
Look at that. So, I'll tell you why they're not. That hair is not the typical ter, you know, very kinky curly hair.
>> My hair doesn't look like that, ma'am.
>> No. No. So, let me tell you. So, that lady you showed me, that's what I'm trying to tell you. There are loads of people >> hair doesn't look like that.
>> Who's Yeah, that's who's whose hair?
>> The host.
>> Yes. Yes. But what I'm trying to say is that that look >> Okay. What about Haitians? What about Haitians? So Haitians to me when I see them they kind of look like me I you're you're very right to say they don't but I'm only saying >> yeah I yes they do they do they do look black and I'm I'm sorry if I cannot differentiate every Asian from every Jamaican or from every Nigerian until they talk to me and tell me who they are >> again. So you jump over all these people and come straight to us when we're telling you who we are. We're telling you Hold on. I don't care about what Hold on. But we're telling you who we are. We showed you pictures of other people. First of all, my brother has green eyes and and and and straight hair. Okay. That That's not an African.
But he's still Hold on. Let me >> Hold on. Hold on. Rainey, I'm not attacking you, darling. I'm not. I'm not. I'm trying to make you understand.
>> The wrong person. I haven't said I haven't said I don't recognize who you are. I don't know you. Do you understand that? And I would never I've told you about the people I have worked with and the people I have interacted with. And if any tells anyone tells me this is what I am, this is who I am. I respect it and I don't argue. I haven't come to argue with you.
>> I've only come to Yes. I've only come to tell you that [laughter] there are certain things that can't be generalized. Do you get what I mean? So, I I wouldn't I wouldn't If you tell me you've got blue eyes, that's fine. If you tell me you're not >> No, no. But my question to you, darling, was why do they Hold on. My question to you was even with those Hold on. Even with those Hold on. Even with those pictures that she showed you, it's they look more African than any black American would ever look. Okay, let's just be clear. And so, I'm trying to figure out why people why Africans don't attach themselves to them and try to figure out their genetic background. But they come straight to black Americans and demand that we, you know, we prove to them who we are. That's my point. I And I'm not talking about you, >> Samantha. Hold on. HOLD ON. WHAT I WILL say is we actually like, so this came up uh a couple of lives back. Now, um it was a conversation I was actually having with someone who was Caribbean. But then when when uh he was making reference to phenotypes and indigenous people and I said, "Well, Aboriginal Australians have a very particular phenotype."
>> Yes.
>> That would also be associated with a West African phenotype if if we're going to do that, right? Like nose shapes and stuff like that.
>> Um do you believe that people that are black that look like West Africans were in the Americas before Christopher Columbus came to the Americas?
Okay. And just to and just to be clear before I answer so I'm sure of what you're asking me. Are you referring specifically to phenotypes? So the shapes of noses and lips and is that what you're asking me?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Um the reason I will say yes possibly to that.
>> Yeah. Can I can I quickly just say [laughter] no no wait. Mean him. Wait one sec. One second.
>> Everyone stop before I lock off the whole panel. No. Stop. Just mean him.
One second. My thing is this. Here's my question to you. Are aboriges in Australia indigenous to Australia? Yes or no?
>> Yes. BUT WE DON'T LOOK LIKE NO I'M GOING TO ANSWER this question like you answer to me after question. I'M GOING TO I'M going to Hold on. I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM ONE MORE CHANCE TO answer my next question cuz I want to hear what he has to say.
>> What is the phenotype of Aborigin people in Australia? What's their facial phenotype? What's their nose shapes? Thing is we're going to do that. What is it? What do you associate that with?
>> Yeah. Even the >> Cuz I didn't mute you. So, go on. What do you associate their phenotype with?
>> Evil. The a um even the aborigines um has um like um I have to read more about the aboriges. But um >> now you have to read. Yeah, I have to remember that originally.
>> Okay, now you have to read. I asked you, are you referring to phenotype? You said yes. And then I said, well, yeah. And the reason for Yeah. is because when I said Aborigines, now we know what they look like. Let's not start playing games. You want to start talking about West African phenotypes. THEIR NOSE IS NOTHING LIKE my nose, is it?
>> I have been there.
>> The nose on my face. WE KNOW WHAT PHENOTYPE WE associate with, but you're uncomfortable. Hold on. You're uncomfortable with that. Now all of a sudden you have to go and read.
>> Have to go and read. Exactly.
>> You just have to go and read something.
Now we have to read something. You don't need to read anything. You ask me ABOUT PHENOTYPE AND WHAT I ASSOCIATE them with and do I think people that shed a phenotype that we associate with the West African phenotype, did they possibly uh exist in the lands at the time prior to the transatlantic slave trade? I said yes because see you lot get funny. You think that the West African phenotype is something unique to West Africa only. That's the point. You lot think this [ __ ] >> Even if I LOOK AT PACIFIC ISLANDERS, I'M looking at them and I'm like, "Yo, then look at all these different phenotypes."
You like know to live. Damn the hell know you don't play this [ __ ] do you?
>> Exactly.
>> I look at them and I see all types of phenotypes. I see I see broad noses. I see round noses. I see. I SEE ARROW NOSES. I SEE LOT I SEE all this [ __ ] You don't look at East Asian people.
share the same phenotype as the poison people. They share the same phenotype as the sand people OF AFRICA. THEY HAVE African noses. They have West African noses are not the Chinese people. BUT YOU'LL NEVER SAY THIS [ __ ] SO WHY IS IT now when you've just you've just asked me a question about do I think people that and I was specific on purpose. I said the phenotype were you referring to phenotypically? You said yes. You asked me, "Do I think people that shed a similar phenotype to the West African people were possibly there?"
>> Uh, yeah. I don't What are we talking about? Um, but what was interesting was when I said that, there were people in the comments, thank you, that were like, "Yeah, but they're also African from thousands of years ago." I said, "Okay, [laughter] [ __ ] Okay, I guess everyone is just that and no one is what they are now." ALL OF THAT'S IRRELEVANT. I need to go back and just say that and leave it like that and that's it.
Started there. Leave it like that.
Everyone, WHITE PEOPLE, BLACK, EVERYONE'S there and that's it.
>> Could Could this be a reason? Could it be because black Americans spending power over the world is $2 something trillion dollars? Could that be a reason?
>> I I don't I don't know that, sweetheart.
I don't >> Do you understand? Do you see where I'm going? Um, Coley, right?
>> No, no, no. I I I don't understand what you're saying about something about Trillian. I think I think what you've said in terms of who has, you know, who has attacked you, I think they need to be faced. I don't know why they're doing that.
>> No, it's not about being attacked. It's not about being attacked. I I'm just trying to figure out because you're being very honest. I'm trying to figure out if they specifically taught y'all to um to connect with us specifically and no one else.
>> No. Okay. No. [laughter] No, no. So, let me just be honest with you. I think the problem, like I said, is this in this natural tendency for a human being to think they're better than anyone else.
So, for example, if people come into the UK, some people stupidly think they're better than every other black person here.
um some people which which I totally do not you know I am totally against if I like I just I just told you about some who's someone who's been my nanny for five years who's just then left and now become family a family she is Caribbean I knew nothing about the Caribbean culture but I learned from her and I learned from studying about the British history because I had to to pass the you know the life in the UK test and things so um I no one really cares about you know Um, I haven't been to America before, >> you know, and I really don't know what's going on there. And I know that there are, but what I know is number one, we know that people So, no one in Africa, well, except people that aren't educated. We have a lot of people who aren't educated. And that that's that's the honest truth. Um, some people will say, "Oh, I didn't know anything." And you're very right. Some people don't know their grandparents. I know mine, you know, but some people don't. Um, but that's not the generalization.
>> Common. I keep hearing that. Is that common? Like people not knowing their grandparents.
>> Yeah, it is. Actually, it is possible because I mean, yeah, some people don't.
Some people aren't educated. Some people, you know, they they they didn't have things written down.
>> So, because I mean, to be honest, some some cultures, if you go to Brazil now, there are certain people who speak my language.
But it's from word of mouth passed on to word of mouth. They haven't got anything written down. So >> I remember so cuz we had someone who was Nigerian British that came on and he was like >> he was like um wow ki like we don't want uh Caribbean people uh to get mixed up with us Nigerians anyway cuz you guys this this is what he said. I'm serious.
This is I'm not joking. For those of you that were here like this is probably six weeks back now. seven, seven or eight maybe. He said this, he was Nigerian British >> and he was like, you know, we're educated and this that and the third. He was Nigerian.
>> And then he said, you know, you guys you guys are different. You have ad mixture and we're like the original human beings.
>> That's not THAT'S [laughter] not joking. These are his words. Then he said, >> but we like align more with Brazilian people. No, >> because they're practicing the Euroba religion.
>> That's that's Euroba is one of 250 [laughter] >> attach yourself to anyone.
>> WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE YOU? WHY HAVE YOU COME TO BRAZIL?
>> I can tell you even Brazilians the people who speak Lumi which is the Euroba are probably like 2%.
>> Right. So it's only quite shocking cuz unfortunately I also knew that because I had an Opair who came around and then I cooked something called Akara and she was all on about it and oh my god we make this you know people and I'm like oh okay and it's not because we're trying to I wasn't trying to in in my way be like her. I think I just found comfort in us having one or two similarities which I think is fine. It's It's And of course I I respected her. We We knew we we She wasn't She was She looks white. I mean, she's she doesn't in any way look like me. But we check, please.
Piss off. We're not You just shut up.
>> So, >> you want us to be you so bad. It's weird. It's so weird. CAN YOU NOT JUST LIKE you like you like what you are and LEAVE IT LIKE THAT OR COME UP AND TURN on your camera and talk about your Nigerian culture and how everyone needs to identify as you. Please come up. I'm tired AT THIS POINT. I LET YOU STICK here and troll and do [ __ ] I ALLOW YOU TO, but now you're trying to come from my community and be weird. Just come up and show yourself. So, >> tell me about how much of you I am and how much of my community is just you.
>> I'm not your sister though. I'm not.
That's the point. I'm not. I'm not. I'm what I am.
I'm what I am. I'm Caribbean heritage.
I'm Jamaican heritage. I have African ancestry with an amalgamation of other things that make up my ancestry. My history is different. My ancestors went through certain things that YOURS DIDN'T. WE'RE NOT THE same people. And I know you for SOME REASON CANNOT STAND on your own two feet. AND YOU WANT EVERYONE ELSE OUTSIDE OF YOU TO SAY THEY'RE you so that you feel better about being you.
But I'm NOT GOING TO BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING to lie for you.
I'm not going to. I know you want ME TO, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO CUZ I'M NOT YOU.
You're not my sister. You're not my brother. You're not my uncle. You're not my father. You're not my dad. You're not my aunt. You're not my mom. You're not any of these flipping things. Thank you.
That you keep trying to stick ONTO MY COMMUNITY. YOU'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT. Me and you aren't. You have your community and your culture. Even Thank you, darling.
Even in YOUR FLIPPING COUNTRY, YOU DON'T SEE YOURSELVES AS THE SAME WITH ALL YOUR HUNDREDS OF TRIBES AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FORCE YOUR [ __ ] ON MINE. SERIOUSLY, I'm not EVEN FROM THE FLIPPING CONTINENT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FORCE YOUR [ __ ] ON MY COMMUNITY. BUT IN YOUR COMMUNITY, IN YOUR COUNTRY, YOU DON'T EVEN SEE YOURSELVES as the same and you're still trying to do this weird [ __ ] It is creepy and sad. And as a man, I think you need to stand on what you are so that other people right in your community feel better about themselves.
And it that's what needs to happen cuz I DON'T TRY AND FORCE MY IDENTITY AND OTHER PEOPLE SAY, "YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WE'RE FAMILY. You know we're cousins.
You know we're related. You know you come from me. You know you're this. You know YOU'RE THAT. NO. [laughter] PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE ME. PLEASE, PLEASE.
It's weird. It's weird.
HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT that maybe, just maybe, if you showed a lot more pride in who you were, PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE talking about you and bigging you up.
Have you ever thought about that? No.
No.
No. I'm not going to chill cuz you're a weirdo. You're a weirdo. And you weirdos keep coming here. I'm Cararibbean heritage with with African ancestry.
Correct.
But you trying TO SAY, "WELL, YOU'RE AFRICAN. YOU'RE AFRICAN. AFRICANS DON'T EVEN call themselves African. Ain't that funny?" The thing is, here's the reality.
You're selfhating. [snorts] So, you think I'm selfhating as a Caribbean heritage person, but I'm not. That's the difference. I'm Caribbean heritage with African ancestry among a bunch of other things. And that's what makes me what I am. And that's what makes me enjoy who I am and my culture and my community and all the rest of it. And I'm very proud of those right in my ancestry who were African, right? Who went through what they went through and came out on the other side after being sold.
Sold. Okay. NOT KIDNAPPED BY EUROPEAN.
SOLD.
>> HELLO. Good morning. Can I say something please?
>> Hold on. Hold on. From people right in your community. I'M VERY PROUD OF those people. Stop trying to force yourself on me. You're not me and I'm not you. We are different people and you guys are very particular with who you do this stupid [ __ ] to. With the exception of the gentleman that I referenced, hold on. With the with the exception of the gentleman that I referenced who did this to um who made reference to Brazilians and said, "Well, we see ourselves in Brazilians as a Nigerian man." with the exception of him. Generally speaking, you are careful. Thank you, realist.
With who you do this with, if you can't understand what language they're speaking, like if they're speaking Portuguese, if they're speaking Spanish, you careful cuz you can't understand them. And it so then you you tiptoe like the majority of of people, right? Like like Brazil alone doesn't have the largest number of black people outside of the continent of Africa. We know the history, but you not tiptoe. But everyone ELSE WHO'S REALLY INFLUENTIAL that you guys know about and and that you know they speak English in their countries as well, then then you need to l I'm you and you need to say you're me and if you don't, IT'S CUZ YOU DON'T LIKE YOURSELF. How about you trying to force yourself on everyone else confirms that you don't like yourself?
How about that?
How about that? So Tib, again, history is what it is. So what?
So what does that change the fact that someone is Caribbean heritage? No, it doesn't. People can be CARIBBEAN HERITAGE AND CELEBRATE THEIR AFRICAN ANCESTRY along with everything else.
They don't need to start running around saying they're Nigerian. Are you okay?
Like Nigeria is the only place that people were taken from. Are you okay?
You don't like yourself? Just say it.
YOU'LL MAKE THE REST OF US JUST FEEL BETTER CUZ WE'RE SEEING THE GASLIGHT AND IT'S ANNOYING.
Now granted, Rainy girl, this isn't really for you cuz I can hear that you're proud of what you are to be honest. I can and you represent a minority of people, unfortunately.
But for people like this, for people like this, I have to address them because they're weird and unwell.
Tib, you're not even black. Oh my gosh.
And you're here, you dusty weird looking ass person. Lord, help me. You see what I mean? You see what I mean by >> say something PLEASE >> LIKE A PARROT LITERALLY. [laughter] >> YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN?
>> AND YOU'RE HERE.
>> You see what I mean by how you get generalized outside. Anyway, unfortunately, like I said, sorry, I'm so sorry to cut you. Um, Alvin Alvin, whatever. Sorry, Alvin Green. Um, like I said, I naturally am likely to be put together um with anyone that is black whilst I'm working because of my skin color. And that's what this well this idiot has done. He has then seen an opportunity. Like I said, every human being would like to pray. He's not Nigerian. He's probably Asian. he's we are I I naturally might do that unless I learn to respect people is to put people together um when they probably do not want that.
Um so and that's what he's done and that's why I said it's going to be a long it's going it's going to be a really long battle you know of unfortunately us trying to prove ourselves. He's looked at you, has looked at any other other person, he's decided you're the same color. You should all be the same. And as you rightly said, >> yeah, which I Yes. And I [clears throat] would say an African who thinks you're African is being stupid also because we are all we all have the same ancestry.
Don't get me wrong. We might have the same ancestry 10 years ago and sorry 10,000 years ago but you have we we all have diversified even the Africans in Africa are not the same as you know 10,000 years ago. So everyone has diversified but if that is not respected unfortunately platforms like this are wonderful for people to you might think I'm just a minority there might have also been have been someone else now who has then understood and decided well I think I need to learn to respect People.
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