The debate effectively exposes the logical frailty of the "potentiality" argument by highlighting its inconsistent application to contraception. It serves as a sharp reminder that moral convictions often crumble when forced to reconcile with their own underlying premises.
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And why do you support Trump?
>> Uh I support him on his uh immigration and uh the abortion uh rule.
>> Okay. What about him?
>> Um I like the fact that uh he's he's trying to ban all abortion. Isn't that correct?
>> Uh just left it up to the states. You left it up the states which is restricted access to abortion. Uh but I would uh say that's a bad thing. Why do you think that's a good thing?
Um, one because I uh I kind of agree that it's kind of murder.
>> Oh, what makes you think it's murder?
>> Um, because it's human. There's possible human life. And I mean, killing it, wouldn't that be considered murder if it can go into a successful human?
>> Uh, I wouldn't consider it murder because it's not sentient yet. In the same way that we don't think it's murder to pull the plug on an individual in our family that is brain dead is the same way I wouldn't think it's murder to get an abortion prior to sentience.
>> Isn't there a difference between uh having a brain dead person like hooked up to a ventilator and pulling the plug than having a unborn like child that can be successful? Like if the person's already brain dead like >> you're saying there's future potential but there's been no past or present established. So why should I care about just future potential alone? The same way you don't care about sperm, why the hell would you care about just future potential alone, you're going to care about it once it's existed and can continue, you're not going to care about it uh when it hasn't existed yet over like someone who's sentient, who's pregnant, who has to go through all the context and the obligations of pregnancy, the risks on their body, right? There are countless things that uh financial risks you're not counting.
You're not counting all of these different obligations that people would have to maintain for this, which I don't think are necessary at all.
>> Okay. I mean, I guess >> why do you think it's valuable prior to sentience in so far as that it should uh like someone should be who sentient should be forced to go through a pregnancy?
>> I mean, it's like it's like you said, if they're leaving it up to the state, I guess it really depends on the state.
Like, say if you live in a state that will allow it, I mean, I guess you don't have to be forced to have one.
>> Yeah, but like I mean, it should be federally protected where you shouldn't be forced anywhere. You can even disagree with it, but it doesn't mean you should you think it should be illegal because I don't think that because of the considerations of pregnancy and the exceptions and whatnot, we're going to treat it the same because I don't think after the context of sentience, right, people are just, you know, getting lethal elective abortions at that point, it's induction of labor, right, after viability. So the like there's really no basis for saying that it should be restricted by any means, right? It's not we don't treat it the same as we treat murder under the law because there are different implications. Like for example, you could by by restricting abortion access, you might actually increase the amount of abortions. Well, because you could push people to use telealth services, which has happened so far. And or you can also push people to do so through the context of the black market and unsafe circumstances because of the fact that you won't investigate miscarriages because that would yield absurd conclusions.
>> Okay.
>> Sorry. Excuse me. Like would you investigate miscarriages?
>> Me personally?
>> Yeah. Like do you think the government should investigate people's miscarriages?
>> No, because I think it would also be a waste of time. But at the I mean I guess there really is no. And but I just I think >> Yeah.
>> Okay. So you if you agree that we shouldn't be investigating people's miscarriages, well then how would you be able to identify if someone got a an intentional abortion but through the context of the black market? They could just claim that they had a miscarriage.
>> Yeah, this is true. I never thought about it like that. I was just saying like if you go to like I don't know the actual name of like a clinic that like allows like abortion and stuff like that. Like I don't think you should be able to just to walk into a clinic and be like I want to have an abortion like help that. I don't think I really don't think that should be like legal anywhere.
>> Why?
It's like I said, I mean, you're taking away the the life of what could potentially be a very successful individual. It can uh >> Yeah, they could potentially be a horrible person, too. I just like I don't think that we have any uh any obligation to uphold potential. Like, do you think it's wrong to pull out because there's potential human that could exist there?
>> I mean, it's just based on like your choice, I guess. I mean, >> do you think it's wrong to use to to use a condom because there there could potentially be a kid there? I mean, I don't like I said, it's like I guess it's like like preferred by the person.
I mean, >> okay. So, so you don't care about the potential alone, right?
>> I don't think it's wrong to like like I go back to your thing. I don't think it's wrong to like pull out or like use a condom or anything, but like >> But you're getting rid of that potential that that could be the next uh most amazing person you could ever think of in your head.
I mean it's just like whatever the whatever the woman and guy like decide on I guess. I mean the choice of the personal choice. What?
>> So So you think personal choice is going to be better in the circumstance to uphold than prioritization than a potential human that would exist in the future?
>> I mean like I just said it's like you're I guess it's like the whatever the guy or whatever the people want to do when they're having uh intercourse. I mean, I don't >> Exactly. Right. So then, like, why not in the context of pregnancy? It's whatever the person who's pregnant wants to do.
>> I mean, I still think it's I just think that is murder at that point.
>> Why is it murder?
>> I mean, you're basically like, I'm I'm trying to I mean, I guess I'm going over the same thing. I guess I'm repeating the same thing. I mean, because that's pretty much what my belief is, but like I still think it's murder because like you're taking the life of something that could potentially be great. And like you said, it could potentially be bad, but you're never going to know. There's like a 50/50 chance, and you might you never know like how that person is going to turn out until it's actually born. So, why not just take a chance? Everybody deserves at least one shot.
>> Okay. So, uh again, you could say the same thing with the condom thing. You could say, "Oh, because there could be a potential. Give give it give the sperm a shot, man.
>> It's cellularly speaking alive. Do not let those sperm die without filling their purpose.
>> Yeah.
>> So, do you think it's wrong to use a condom?
>> I mean, in my opinion, no. But at this I don't I mean, I don't I'm not going to speak for >> But it prevents a future child from existing.
No.
What about the future child?
>> You are murdering those sperm.
I mean, at the end of the day, I don't I don't really know. Me personally, you know, I don't think it's wrong to use a condom. I mean, it can can it can like protect you from like diseases that people are carrying. I mean, >> let's say let's say you're in a relationship.
>> Okay.
>> Monogous relationship. Do you think it's wrong to use a condom?
>> Okay. What does that word mean? Cuz I'm not going to lie, I have no idea what that word means.
>> Monogous.
>> Define monogous, Parker.
>> Yeah. Define monogous.
>> Okay. It's just two people in a relationship, just them two, and they don't have sex with other people or have any other type of emotional relationship with other people in a romantic way.
>> So, you're basically saying it's just two people together that only have sex with each other and no, like nobody else.
>> Exclusive.
>> Yes. Exclusive relationship. I could have just used that word. That would have been a better way to explain it.
>> Yeah, that that might Yeah, for me.
Yeah. Um, so what is your question?
Sorry, >> I got you back. What's up? Go ahead.
What is your >> I had your back.
What is the question that you're trying to ask me with the with >> Yeah. in the context of an monogous relationship, right, where people there's no risk of STD because obviously it's just you and your partner, right, in that scenario, right?
>> Given that there's no risk of STD, right? Do you think it's wrong >> to use a condom?
>> I mean, at the end of the day, it's like your choice, I guess. I mean, or it's whatever you prefer really. But I mean, if you just want to practice safe like intercourse, I mean, I guess there's not a problem with it. I mean, now speaking me personally, I mean, I probably wouldn't use one. But, I mean, at the same time, it's just whatever you prefer, I guess, or whatever your partner prefers as well.
>> So, it's not wrong.
>> The point we're trying to make is it's not wrong because you're getting rid of the potential future human that could exist there.
Right.
>> So, you don't think that's wrong, right?
>> I mean, probably not.
>> No, because we don't care about just potential alone. We care about once there's a p a past or a present like experience established and that they're going to continue that experience or they could continue that experience in the future. Like those things would be valuable to us, but before it's ever even existed, it's just a potential future human. We have no obligation to maintain that potential future human in existing.
>> There's no obligation to do that. You do not have to you you are you don't have to like you don't have to throw away the condom, I guess, right? And ban that [ __ ] right? Because you think it's murder, right?
>> Because preventing future humans from existing because more humans would exist >> if we banned contraceptives such as condoms, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. But um I do have another thing to like I mean I guess ask her to point out whichever one you want to take it. Like if a woman let's say a woman does get an abortion like if they live in a state that allows it can't an abortion you said like the pregnancy could like potentially cause h cause harm to like the woman or like in that situation. But can't abortion also like harm like if like >> there are medical risks with pregnancy and abortion, but it can determine but it could be lesser in the context of abortion depending on the scenario compared with the pregnancy. So obviously that's the choice of the individual in the circumstance because they get to choose what medical risks they're going to impose upon themselves in the scenario, right? Uh that that's what it's their consent. So they get to choose whether or not they want to continue with the pregnancy or they would like to get an abortion.
>> Okay?
>> Like that's kind of the point. You have to consider like for the pregnant individual the finances that they would have to put into this. You'd have to consider the medical risks on their body. Not just maternal mortality that has increased since Trump is overturn versus Wade, but also the medical risks associated with uh the cause of disability conditions uh things that could be threatening >> uh to their ability to have children in the future. There's countless things that you can bring up specifically that are relevant towards the medical risks associated with pregnancy that people don't consider, right, as like a risk.
And that's something that someone should be able to determine themselves of whether or not they would like to go through, not something that they should be forced to go through considering all those facts, >> right?
>> It's not murder, right? You don't have to view it as murder. You can still value human beings as people and not consider it murder because personhood doesn't begin until the point of sentience which is around 23 24 weeks in the womb, >> right? Okay. Yeah, I get that now.
>> Okay. Well, is there any other reason why you support Trump?
>> Uh I mean yes and no. Like we've talked about it previously, the immigration thing and you kind of like beat I I don't want to say beat down. I mean, you kind of defeated my uh thing because my thing was get uh people out of the country with actual process. I mean, yes, it takes long. Like, I want to I want to get them out of the like people that have a criminalized background or a criminal history. I want to get them out of the country and make uh like places like on the borders like Texas or stuff like that. I want to get criminal people with criminal histories out of the countries and like or out of the states and pro like protect more of the community and >> like Trump get them out.
>> Yeah, pretty much.
>> Yeah.
>> What do you What do you mean get them out? If they have a criminal history, do you think they should remain in the country where they could potentially >> Yeah, right. We should also get them out of the Oval Office if they have a criminal history, right?
>> Okay.
Well, I'm just I'm just curious like would you agree because I agree we should get them out of the country if they have they committed a serious crime or a violent crime, you know, but you know in the situation where we're talking about for the president, would you say the same thing for the president if he has a criminal record? Do you think he should be removed from from political office in the same way you think they should be removed from the country?
>> In a realistic answer, I'm going to have to say yes, just because I don't want that backlash. But at the same time, well, listen, listen, Parker. At the same time, I mean, I would still rather have Trump. Is it >> You'd rather have Trump over Harris, yet you think Trump should be removed from office?
>> No, I No, I don't think he should be removed.
>> Okay. So, you don't think he should be removed from office?
>> No, I I would rather have Trump in office than Harris.
>> Okay. But why?
I agree with like two of the I mean I I mean I guess I agree with more than that, but those are just like the two main things that I agree with that he was running his campaigns on.
>> Okay.
>> Immigration being the biggest one.
>> Okay. So you agree with those things, but like what particular policies?
>> Um >> because you know that we went after those that have committed violent crimes and bad crimes, right? And actually under the Obama administration, 20% of those deported had a violent criminal record.
>> I did not know that actually. Is there like a source that I can go look that up on?
>> Yeah, that's from the DHS themselves.
>> Okay. Is that just dhs.gov or whatever it is?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
I'm I'm going to just write that down because in order for me to look it up, I would have to leave the app.
>> That's okay.
>> I'm just going to write that down to >> Got you.
I I really just think he would do a better job than Harris on it. I mean, yeah, I really think he would. He's done it better so far, and I think that he could still do better things than Harris probably could.
>> Okay, but like why?
>> You're probably going to like call me sexist or something. I just really don't think a woman or Wait, let me rephrase this because I'm not trying to be completely sexist, dude. I really don't I think she I think she's capable. Like in all honesty, I really think she's capable, but I don't think she would better the country.
>> Why?
>> I just I really don't know too much about her. Like me growing up, I lived in a >> You think because she's a woman?
>> No, I don't I'm not saying that like her being a woman really has nothing to do with it. I mean, it has a little bit to do with it, but it's not like the whole reason.
>> A little bit of sexism.
>> There's a little bit. So, a little bit of sexism. There you go. I'm not going to lie, maybe a little bit.
>> Okay. So, so the point that we would then make is that's not a good reason.
That's a horrible reason to say that because I think that if anything, right, that's just going to show that people around the world, including yourself, are going to uh think less of her than what she'll actually be able to do, which actually kind of gives her a strategic advantage if anything in countless circumstances because people are going to think less of her than actually she can do.
>> How would that give her like a an advantage though? because people will think less of her lesser of her than she will actually be able to do. So, she'll be able to catch them off guard.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. I mean, like I said, me personally growing up, I lived in a very very like right right side like household.
Like I never really I mean I had my own like my condolences.
>> What' you say? my condolences.
>> I had it wasn't forced upon me. I'm not going to say forced upon, but I was more like persuaded to like Republican side of everything other than the Democratic side because I lived in a Republican household. I mean, >> yeah. You know, I grew up in a Christian conservative household as well. Why does that lean you towards it?
>> I mean, I really don't know. I mean, my parents, just the way they raised me, I mean, they always just they never told me anything about the Democratic party.
It was always just Republican after Republican, Republican, and so on and so forth.
>> It was always >> Okay. So, then like what what about the Democrats do you disagree with?
>> I would have I really don't know too much about them. That's what I'm trying to get to. How can you make a valid opinion then?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think you just need to do your own research into know what the Democrats are. And then I would just ask you like what about the Republicans do you like?
>> Like are we talking just about Trump or like in previous like years or anything?
>> And you know what? At this point I'm asking you any Republican. What about Republicans in general? Do you like?
>> Um I just like their ideas like running for office like uh hold on. Let me think.
Yeah, this is going to be my god. I don't know why I'm freezing like this.
>> It's okay.
>> I don't know. I mean, I just h I don't want to say something that's wrong.
Like, I really have no idea.
>> Have you He said Trump was a good president, so he already have.
>> All right.
Um, maybe you should maybe you should do research and you should look into these things and >> Yeah, I think I think I think that's what I'm going to have to do. I think we're going to have to do the research about it.
>> Okay, that's that's the move. Look into the different Democratic candidates that will come about and the Republican candidates.
>> Um, do you like JD Vance?
>> I do.
>> You do? Why?
>> I mean, that's my last name.
>> Um, I I'd have to do re more research.
>> That's not his actual last name. He like changed his name, right? I just >> Yeah, I know. I I did know that actually.
Um but I'd have to do re more research on giving like like certain points on like why I like him.
>> You like him, but you don't know why you like him.
>> I mean, here's the thing. Like, >> is it vibes?
>> Yeah. Honestly, yeah. It's pro It's probably going to be more the vibes than anything else until I do vibes does a JD fans give out besides like couch humping?
>> Yeah, just really curious.
>> He gives out couch humping vibes to you.
>> I mean, >> um, >> I haven't seen anything else about >> not confirming or denying.
>> I'm not confirming nor denying.
>> Uh, these these are these are the types of vibes that he gives out.
>> Okay.
you know, just like just like staring at you, dude.
>> Right. Yeah. Thanks for pulling that up, Parker. I appreciate it.
>> I got you.
>> But yeah, I guess uh I guess it's more just the vibes. And I mean, it's probably more that he he is a Republican and ran as uh Trump's vice president as a Republican ticket and him being just a Republican in general. And >> so just straight party, nothing about policy or anything. Just straight party.
>> I mean, I would have to do more research about his policies and stuff like that.
Like certain points I can't just like off the top of my head, I don't know enough about I mean, I know a little bit, but I also don't know like the main stuff.
Why does I keep up?
>> Okay. All right. All right. Is there anything else you want to talk about or add before I go into the next person?
You should you should look into these people.
>> I'm Yeah, I'm going to You have a good day, bro.
>> All right. appreciate you.
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