The daycare system, created during the Industrial Revolution to enable parents to work, introduced structured routines and peer socialization that can lead to attachment anxiety; similarly, YouTube live stream panels function as digital daycare systems where creators and panelists escape personal realities through parasocial relationships, competing for attention in a structured digital environment that mirrors the original daycare's shift from private home to public institution.
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So, sub up to that. I'll put that link in the in the chat. Today's episode, daycare, the live stream panel.
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So, What are we doing?
What's the lecture at hand? Today's lecture is the parallels between the the origins of the daycare system and uh this panel experience. This is a bit a bit meta today and whatnot, but uh it's for a reason. You know, daycare is something that uh some of y'all had to experience whether you wanted to or not.
And uh the way it's done in particular today is uh it sets the foundation for for a lot of the idiosyncrasies and somewhat weird behavior we see in people cuz um that daycare system it was originally brought into existence during the industrial revolution.
Uh so parents could have their children looked after while they worked and uh it freed up the family the parents to to take care of their economic survival, right? Because normally in the past you would have the the traditionally the mother and the older children raising the younger ones, right? While the father um either did some agricultural work, which they would all do actually, or in during the beginning of the industrial age, he would go out by himself and work. But as we know now, like one income isn't enough, but who's going to watch the children, especially the small ones?
So, this daycare system is interesting because, you know, I I had to do that when my mom uh went back to work after I was born for a couple months. I had to do that. Like, psychologically, this daycare system, it introduces infants uh to structured routines and socialization amongst their peers.
And um and it teaches them imprints on them like how they have to share adults uh the attention of adults the caregivers which can sometimes lead to let's say like attachment anxiety and pretty much constant bonding issues right FOMO fear of missing out you It's a real thing.
And I thought and the more I think about it, the more I think about I it resonates with uh situations that we occur in our everyday lives, particularly on I mean since we're all here on YouTube, right? That one in particular, it's a big one, you know. What's up, RLM? Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Yeah.
Yeah. You'll be a good person to talk to. We We already had some kind of opened up the discussion on this in a roundabout way. Um there's the link right there.
You're more than welcome to come up as we riff on this daycare and the parallels to the panel verse, I guess you could say.
um on the YouTube live streams, u us creators and the panelists, we often turn our broadcastes broadcast into uh I'm being a little dramatic here though, like digital daycare systems cuz I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of things that that's on our plate out there in the quoteunquote real real world. I call it squish reality, you know, and some of us we want to escape difficult realities of our personal lives.
Um, and it doesn't have to be so heavy.
It can just be like, you know, you you're with your uh you don't even have to be in the field.
You, you know, taking care of your kids all day. Now you get a break because your wife's home or your husband's home to share the load or you were at work all day dealing with all you know everything that work has to be be dealt with or school. You just want to kick back and uh soak up the soak up the um reality cuz it's like a reality show I hear in the end. What's going on? What's up Mike? Good to see you. Good evening.
Insane wheels. Yeah, good old Mike over there, Mike Ball.
Um, great show on news on news and current events and what's really going on.
But, uh, yeah, I really do see how this like when I looked at the history of of daycare and how it started during the industrial revolution.
um the history of it and then when you think about the psychological aspect of of it, it really parallels this modern internet phenomenon. We call the digital experience.
Um from the daycare in the beginning, there was a shift from from home to institution, right? In that original system of the daycare, it moved the children uh and then in the child raising from the private home into the public uh domain and it and these and our children had to be managed in these spaces and and it was in the drive was economic an e economic necessity especially for you know the parents who needed to have someone to take care of their their children and keep them safe right while they were working trying to provide and keep their families safe, right? And then it was a drive for the the people that own the daycarees too, right? Appreciate the love, too, bro.
Good to see you, man. Always a pleasure.
Yeah, you always want to pop up, too. We got the link in the in the chat for sure. We're getting cerebral a little bit here.
A little meta, right?
Um yeah that in that that origin the original uh system that daycare moving the from moving the child from the private to the public right it is kind of I look at the the parallel between the you know the live streaming panelists has as as us as panelists have moved cuz I'm a panelist too you know by heart uh the panelists have moved from their from our private struggles we'll say. Um, and how we used to vent to our friends about it, our social circle, our loved ones, and our personal lives.
uh that that has moved into the public digital space because uh a lot of the offline environments that that we're in, you know, that we live in, they feel uh people feel no one's really a available or or even if you do share with somebody, it's kind of unrewarding, right?
So I see that shift from home, you know, your home, your home social circle and your friends in the squish reality to institution to institution of a of a live stream, right? A social media platform. That's what YouTube is.
And I'm not I'm not one of these people that says like, you know, it's all bad.
Like social media is, you know, the the death of everything. Ah, no. I mean, if it is if it is, it'll look me because I think there's there's good to it. You could you can make some good connections on a personal level and also business-wise, too.
And maybe on some aspects that we haven't even uh tapped into that can't be qualif quantified and whatnot. What's going on, Stanley? Good to see you, man.
It's getting a little meta at daycare, right?
this whole thing about this the origins of daycare and the live streaming panel.
How how there's parallels there. I don't think it's much of a stress stress once you see it laid out.
I don't see it really. Yeah.
Good to have you, man.
Yeah.
Uh having our this this this thing I I've been working with in my mind about uh structured attention uh v verse escapism too. You know, normally I would have been uh these times I'm online, I probably would have been trying to level up on some uh educational self-development stuff, reading journals or writing strategizing plans and spreadsheets, you know. Um but sometimes it's like I want to turn like we used to do with the TV the zone out turn on the bloop tube right now we hit the panel and then the original system of daycare it is also it was kind of cool because it it did provide a scheduled environment where children could compete uh not wait actually it's not a good thing about competing but I would say it did provide a a structure for the children to like you know learn routines and whatnot but on the but on the back end on the in and I guess a negative aspect was they had to also compete for the intention of only a few caregivers right where in fact if you were with your mom or your dad I mean there unless you have a huge family which a lot of people didn't have like you know I grew up in the 80s and 90s we didn't have huge families I mean you got you had the whole attention of your mom or your dad or both of them if you're lucky but now when you go to when you went to the daycare you had to compete eat for attention. And I see a parallel with that in this live streaming thing when um when these YouTube panels um they compete people panelists and chatters compete for the attention of the host sometimes and the chat, right?
And and because it's a way for the audience to feel validated that, you know, someone's actually paying attention to me for once.
uh you know and it and it made it it makes it cool because like YouTube you can just hit the panel especially if someone's on a schedule somewhat of a consistent schedule you know you can get that interaction that parasocial interaction Rebecca was talking about that RLM parasocial um a parasocial aspect to it but you know you can just hit that panel and get that or turn on the the chat and you can get that interaction you need right any moment moment. What's up, man? What's going on? Blessings machine lives. Good to see you, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah. The parasocial parasocial, you know, one-sided sometimes uh that uh bond between the host and the panelist or the chatters.
This for some of us that's been substituted.
um for for real bonds that we had with people we know.
The thing about the the the struggles of the daycare, which a lot of people had problems with from the beginning and also now, is that uh sometimes uh that deep emotional uh care and attention that the child gets at home because it's more of a one v one-on-one relationship or two-on-one relationship depending if you have siblings. it's not there with the with the daycare provider. They got a lot of things on their plate or or they don't even have a connection with you because they're like, "Yeah, it's not their kid." You know, and and in the and the parallel I see with the live streaming panel panel is sometimes we go on this um on these panels as as a form of uh DIY, do-it-yourself therapy, right?
and and and it could for those who really need it that DI DIY therapy could be substituted for realworld therapy that you could get from a professional and um and there's you know which is some supposed supposed to be healthy usually it's healthier healthier than having some of these superficial digital connections that end up blowing up in your face and you end up being worse soft than you were them before. I guess it goes with with with a lot of risk comes great reward and whatnot.
Yeah. Yeah, man. Look at Look at this guy, bro. He can't even uh I don't know why you're here, bro. Like, you're not wanted yet. You You stick around, bro.
I mean, I get it, bro. You We heard what your friend Junior said about you the other day. Yeah, man. He had to buy you dinner and [ __ ] That's pretty bad.
You're hurting, bro. I get it.
But yeah, you're not wanted around here.
You can leave like a man. You always talk about being a man and whatnot.
Leave on your own accord.
You know, this guy reminds me of how, you know, this codependency out there and um and people coping in the original system of daycare, like people, the child would adapt to daycare by relying heavily on their their peers that they were in the group with at the daycare.
And uh that but once again that schedule for that that scheduled routine gave them comfort and a sense of identity.
Yeah. Remember some of these you see some of these groups they would go out these these Kinderwood Kinder Care groups they would go out and they wear the same little t-shirts or or um or vest to to you know so they wouldn't get lost. Of course they could be spotted but also too it kind of like they were clicked up you know that was their identity and whatnot. And in these live stream panels, um, folks get get into this trauma bonding to their digital community, aka their their YouTube channel that they're always in.
And they use I think they use the constant noise and the drama and interactions of the live stream to block out all the painful realities of their online online lives, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right, Stanley. Good to see you.
Yeah.
What you trying to say? What are you trying to say? You're trying to We need to go to the to the psych doctor. What up, Chad? King. Yeah. [ __ ] That's on That's on you. Probably. It wouldn't help.
All right, man. Thank you for that, bro.
But uh it I wouldn't doubt it, bro. like it probably would help, man. I don't know about that couples therapy and all that stuff, but like but uh individual one-on-one talking to someone that's a quotequote professional.
Hey, man, you're probably better off doing that than uh than doing this uh trying to get therapy out of this. But it's always good to talk to somebody, you know? I mean a lot of females uh for example will will valid invalidate men from having feelings and said you can't you shouldn't you know express yourself which I don't know you probably shouldn't so much around certain women and men but uh it's good to have some friends that you can talk to especially if you're a dude bro you can talk to [ __ ] talk to him about [ __ ] like my my like my best friend right here bro welcome bro good to have you Good to have you, man.
So, you think you should, huh, Chatter King? You think they should probably get some help with the coping and whatnot?
Yeah, man. This shit's crazy. This, as we call it, the panel verse, right? Some people call it the boy. It's another sector or the beef sector or the mode the MO3 sector, you know?
it the the the the commonality is like most people are using Streamyard. We can't even do that.
Shout out to John G, the urban landlord.
Folks can't even really learn OBS where you can, you know, you won't have to pay for the StreamYard and also you can trick it out and it's free. But uh now anybody can can stream just press the button, right? And that's the Streamyard and these c these creators get together and they just gossip or react to other internet gossip and the relationship between the host and the panelist operates like a toxic ecosystem and rather than uh rather than like a regular standard moderation mod the mods be interacting on a way to you know facilitate make some good healthy conversation.
The the the balance between the host and the and the panelist that dynamic that dynamic relies more on the power imbalances and financial manipulation sometimes even and once again codependency.
The host is basically the puppet master, right?
See, Mike, I was wondering why I never really see you on the panels, man. He said, "This is Insane Wheels." Mike Boss, the great Mike Balls said, "This is why I watch panels. I don't participate them." Yeah. He runs his own show, right? We do our own daycare on oursel Stanley sees it. Yeah, pretty much.
The machine lies has seen it for a minute, man. My streaming buddy.
This is uh something that's that's crazy. Like the puppet master, right? Remember that movie with the puppet master? Those Nazi uh puppets that were in they were in invoked with the demonic ver energy. And there was the puppet master, the guy that made these puppets, right? And they would attack people and whatnot.
Yeah.
So the host is like a puppet master because I mean as a host we we control the digital environment and we can use technology to dictate uh the terms of human interaction. Like I can literally like ban people and I can bring them up here.
Uh I can make their voice louder. I can make their voice lower.
Um, I can even do it like like a real puppet. Like let's say the puppet is sentient like a Pinocchio is alive.
I can still be controlling them if you want. You can still be controlling them.
You can mod them. You can do all that fun stuff, right? Cuz that the mute the mute and the boot power, right? That that that's the ultimate authority that the host holds. Um, we can mute a panelist mid-sentence, right? Or I can boot him, kick the baby back down to the waiting room right there to the nether world to the basement.
And this actually it's kind of like behaviorist therapy, right? This forces some of the panelists to perform according to the host standards, right?
Or they risk losing their spotlight, their precious uh microphone, right? their one time where they can shine because they can't do it in their offline life.
Man, sometimes I want to get off the stage, bro. Uh, every class is a spotlight opportunity in the real world for me.
I guess that's a good problem to have, though, huh?
Because as a teacher, which in a sense it's kind of like daycare, too, cuz you're teaching children how to conform.
not only to learn but how to be a positive functioning member of society or whatnot whatever that means right it means many things what's up Becca love you having I'm having a really good morning appreciate you yeah appreciate you yeah controlling the narrative some is something that's fun and we love narratives everything's a narrative right shows on narrative theory and whatnot.
The host can cuz you know the host literally can frame the drama any way I want, any way they want.
I I can they the host can choose what receipts they use receipts receipts, you know, what screenshots, what videos, what text messages, uh what shows on the screen, right? And then if for the untrained mind, the wide openen prime mind, prime m prime time mind, literally um the host can act as a judge, jury, and executioner all at once in terms of someone's internet reputation, right?
Yeah. It's fascinating.
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This is that daycare. Do you see it? the daycare um parallel sometimes in some of the panels.
Uh yeah, I think um the whole daycare uh scheme kind of goes back to the Montasauri program, right? Um and there's actually a lady named Maria Monttoauri who was a Fabian socialist, right? um who developed this Montasauri program and um you know obviously you know the whole concept in Fabian socialism is that the children need to be handed over to the state >> because it's nepotism that's based on family and religion um that is sort of the final place um that establishes the hierarchical order within society. So you have to uproot the system. You can't just change the economic system. You have to change the cultural and social mores.
>> So >> yeah. Yeah, you're right. And uh that is a good point because off the top Maria Monttoauri what she's done what she did was actually it seems very empowering what she did with children like how she kind of focused on children being quote unquote more like self uh self-sufficient independent.
Um but with that said, you're right.
There was a overlay of um that o of handing your children over to you know someone else in this case you said like in the guard broader screen the state which was never really done before right was never really done before. It's funny because people pay thousands of dollars extra to send their children to monastery schools rather than kinder care uh cookie cutter daycare where they just, you know, uh one two plus two is four stupid Barney [ __ ] right? Whereas like Montasuri is supposed to be hands-on, you know, and your artist and all this stuff, but nonetheless, you're still handing your children over to the state, you know? So that's true. Yeah, I think it closely parallels the old folks homes.
>> It's a reverse, right?
>> Yeah. And sometimes the panels, you know, you get two or three boomers on the panel and it's almost reverse. It's like in a, you know, you know, you're in like old folks home or like a mental asylum, you know, where >> Yeah.
>> Now you're taking care of the elderly, you know, that don't, you know, that have these old ideologies, you know, that you have to settle and, you know, you have to like >> Yeah. They don't understand any nuance in any subject.
>> Yeah. Unless the host gets like draconian on them and like like puts a big check. Yeah. Those those boomers can uh run away with their with the narrative of their story. Huh. In my day, back in my day, we did this or whatever. What? Uh he says back in my day, >> back in my day, he says, "Mani work with special needs children in the the slums of Italy with highly neglected street urchants." I said, "Unt I have a place in my heart for Monasuri in the sense of like what she literally taught about like I was say if I had to not had to, it's a choice. if I was going to send my kid to a daycare, I would love for them to learn some of the things she taught them because it wasn't like she wasn't doing the arithmetics and all that. It was more like can you uh can you pour yourself a glass of water? Can you get yourself up in the morning if you're an infant? Can you, you know, can you cut vegetables for dinner? Can you dig a hole for a garden?
Like that's a lot of the stuff, hands-on stuff that she was teaching. And uh I think she was amazing with that stuff. But the system like but as when we were talking with machine and neuro you guys were looking at the big big picture of things zooming out and the whole concept of having to give away your kids especially when you don't want to to people you don't even know. It's very scary. Could be very you know what I mean? Could be damaging.
Right. And shout out to him. Is that >> Yeah. Is that from um That's from Mr. Rogers. That means what? That lady, Lady Elaine. Lady Elaine, is that her name?
She looked like a drunk, huh? Like she was weird, bro. On that show.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> And and uh what's the other one's name?
The Lamb Chops one. What's the You remember that show? Lamb >> Oh, yeah. There's Lamb Shops with uh Yeah. with Carol something like that.
Yeah. But Mr. Yeah, >> this one with um the puppet show he used pupp he did all the voices >> puppet show >> because he said that um that as a child he was the only child I don't know for nine years or something till his sister came so he had to entertain himself so he he learned all the you know the voices and use his imagination and that was the he was one of my first teachers besides my mom Mr. Rogers bro he's he's a legend over there from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania yeah >> Mr. Rogers was interesting. Yeah, I watched it a lot really young and so it definitely had an impact on me before I can really remember. But I'll never forget like the first time I saw a real puppet show and I only saw a few as a kid, but >> those were really good. Right.
>> Well, I thought it was really cool and a lot of people like I noticed a lot of kids didn't like it. I thought it was very interesting. Like it's it was a very like >> interactive experience in a way. Pretty weird.
>> It's next level, man. Like I showed this when the Aven was here the other day. Uh in Taiwan puppets are big, right? A puppet show. Their culture whenever they have a festival, there's always like a puppet show cart that pulls up. But in Taiwan, they they took like basically like the the the the spirit of Transformers in the 80s and 90s and they made these elaborate puppet shows with kung fu anime type [ __ ] and um like epic with the epic stories of the Chinese sagas and whatnot. Yeah. So that's a big deal. So uh Himza says I had two years of book club on her. She is deep reading. Yeah. Deeper than Ti the De Shardan the Jesuit. Right. Dude. Yeah. I read I read her book too. From infancy to high school. Her problem is she didn't patent her method and most schools are ripoff of her methods. Not about Right. Right. I noticed that even here in Taiwan. Oh LAR seven days. Yeah.
Is that LAR?
I sound like I don't think >> this is this is a guy from uh this is a guy from like England or something.
He has a new name. I like that Gollum in there. Oh, yeah.
>> No, no, no. That's not It's not It's not It's not >> Okay. Um Yeah. Yeah. We use these clips.
Um What's the matter of you? Like a radio host for sure, bro. Yeah, we got you.
>> People be okay cuz I know I'm not as a real [ __ ] with feminine energy. I am not okay with the act.
Maybe not that one. But yeah, the system looks scary when they have no idea who's alone with them doing what. Yeah, you don't know what what the teachers are and whatnot, right? Yeah. There you go.
Lamb Chop, Daniel Tiger. Mr. Roger became Daniel Tiger now. Lady Elaine.
Yeah. All this stuff. Good. Lady Lane reminds me of Annabelle. Both her possessed dolls. Lady Elaine is just ugly.
Ugly. Jesus Christ. 33 is your favorite number. Just a Freemason here like trying to make a day. A dollar out of 15 cents, math and science. Yeah. Back to this um uh this daycare um you know the origins of daycare and whatnot. Yeah. Like we do control the narrative here, right? And then the and then there's the economy of clout, right? Economy of attention and clout here is that's the currency of the panel verse. It's it's it's a tension and uh it does sometimes create an unbalanced uh relationship, transactional relationship like you do something for me, I'll do something for you, right? Or there's there's people that are just appalling that get get a chance to to spew their nonsense just because they give money or something, right? Or because they're a a big time supporter of a show, you know?
And I think ner do you ever see like it seems like there's there's there's there's a segment of of hosts who exploit some of their, you know, members, panel members. Kind of like Howard Stern and his whack pack where it almost seems as though some hosts are actively seeking out unstable or controversial uh highly emotional panelists, right?
because of their their raw outbursts on live stream to get super chats.
>> Well, I I've I've I've been accused of farming like you know this kind of stuff and uh >> I I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever done it consciously, you know, but definitely like I find some of those interactions very highly entertaining, but I think it goes from in my opinion is like >> is the host conscious of what's happening or not?
>> Yeah. Yeah. And do they have any like mentality about what could come out of it or the dangers involved or and I think that's a hard thing to know because you know even as myself who host a tiny show that nobody watches right like it is something that you have to think about like you know no you know what I mean but like relative to like someone some of these large creators or yourself like >> you know I'm saying like it's something that you should be thinking about I guess and it's kind of like it's kind of like with your well I It's an analogy that works, right? Like, >> I saw this guy the other day say something like, >> should you let your kids watch violent movies and stuff like this, right?
>> Um, and the question is like, well, what's what's the purpose behind it, right? Like, if your kid um watches it with no guidance or direction, it could be extremely destructive. But if you're teaching them about >> when to fight for the right reasons or not, you know, >> it can be very instructive, right? And it's very visceral and it's something that they're going to have to learn about at some point. So, >> you know, like I I grew up watching a ton of violent like, you know, '8s movies, right? I mean, just incredibly violent stuff >> and um I don't feel that it really uh you know made me a violent person. Uh but it definitely made me very capable of violence, you know what I mean? So, you know, I don't think that being capable of and I think the same way with like mental illness or whatever you want to call it, right? um you know, can the audience handle what's happening and can the people on the panel handle what's happening? And that's unfortunately that's one of the problems I think that's the hardest about the medium, right? Like we don't really know who's the audience. We don't really know who we're talking to on the other side, right? So that's that is a big danger I think that we have to >> learn to appreciate or we should learn to appreciate. We don't have to, but we probably should.
Well, whereas the the Nelson the producers would use the Nelson reading and focus groups to get a get a feel for who's watching the show. Um, I guess us as hosts and producers of these shows on on YouTube, we can live we can uh we can come to our own conclusion by who shows up regularly, right?
>> Oh yeah, for sure. But but I mean but if you get but like imagine if we had like like I saw one of the guys that I used to watch you know, one I mean, I don't want to name anybody, but you know, like the people that I came in to this watching, right? And then I saw that like when I was watching their show, he might get a hundred views at a time, right?
>> Now he's getting 500 I mean uh 5,000 views, right? Uh live.
>> Oh, wow.
>> That's that's an incredible number. But my point is that how could any one person really know all those 5,000 different people and what they're feeling about it and are they mature enough or are they getting what you want them to get out of it or whatever? I mean, you know, >> well, you could I mean, I'm not even a creator, but I can watch cuz I was watching the last few months, not anymore, Sneo more than any other creator. I wouldn't watch it like religiously, but I would watch it more than I watch other streamers. And uh I noticed us his chat uh in general were a certain type of of archetype of a person. Um like young man kind of like kind of edge lordy uh you know red kind of red pillar um um into what what's trending but also yearns to for a conservative some type of conservatism in their life. So anyway, so what I'm saying is like like you can I think you can kind of get a of course you can't know everybody like I can't know everyone in my chat per se even even though it's not that large yet but I can get a kind of a feel you know >> I would say >> I'll give you I'll give people that >> yeah I'll give you a personal example of mine right like like with the alt-right you know like when I was watching the altight >> are you going to give me a personal example? Sorry I'm a little slow with this. I got to I got to do something real quick.
>> Yeah, you're good.
stereotype.
>> Let me give you a personal example. And then you do a little >> um Yeah. I like this little cartoon you have in the back, too. It looks like a little like >> uh chaos magic or something.
>> That's exactly what it is. Justin, Dmitri, and I made it. And then we I think we invoked C19 after we made it cuz if you I'll just tell you this uh that little writing you see around them uh you can kind of like those lines and so those are actually the the writing of the the manuscripts of the Austrian painter. I'll just leave it at that.
>> Oh, really? That's >> Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on there. But go ahead. Yeah, it's cool.
>> Well, it's funny like I Well, really quick. It's funny because I made this like little AI thing about uh tell tell me the Gnostic interpretation of the Little Mermaid. So like I've had the Little Mermaid on my brain for the last >> month and so maybe eventually I'll like turn it into like a little thing. But >> I thought it was just funny. But uh so the personal story about the alt-right, right? So when I was watching the alt-right, I got a lot of jokes that were about, you know, these very controversial topics, but to me it was kind of like like have you ever seen Sarah Silverman?
>> Of course.
Jimmy, >> you know when she says like >> Yeah. So, you know when she says like all these like extremely blasphemous things about Christians, right? So, >> when I was watching that as a kid, >> she said um >> um she said if Jesus Christ came back, she'd kill him again.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. She said crazy stuff. But but but like when I was younger, I was a Christian watching it, right? Or I'd watch like the Rose stuff where they're like talking mad crap about people.
I kind of saw it somewhat like that where like yes there's truth in it and yes all this but it was also kind of like >> it's kind of like cathartic like I said right like it's like >> you get all this comedy and you get to like you know >> crap talk each other and then out of that there comes like a resolution that's kind of how I saw I was like >> maybe this will like heal the divide right it's just like watching Dave Chappelle right >> but then I saw burn and these Yeah well yeah well and that's when but I saw it take a turn where people kind of took these things that I thought were a positive thing, right, and they turned it into something that obviously turned into very negative. And I think that's what happened with Dave Chappelle. I mean, I remember him very clearly on his one of his uh interviews. And I disagree with him at the time, but in retrospect, I understand what he's saying where he's like >> he would do this joke that was really vicious, you know, about, you know, the n-word or whatever. And he's like, and then you'd see people laughing at the joke and he would think, are they laughing because it's funny or are they laughing because they really have hate in their heart, right? And I think that's a question that you have to really ask yourself, you know, and you don't know the answer to that, right? I think that's kind of >> maybe because I'm mixed. I think I'm laughing at both. If I want to keep it 100 cuz sometimes the reason why some race jokes are funny because it's [ __ ] I maybe I'm [ __ ] it. I'll speak out speak my heart.
Being being horrible to someone is actually quite funny because it's absurd.
So I can see why people like race jokes, right?
>> Because it because it's making fun of something that someone really doesn't have control over.
uh and and that's why kind of they hit hard. But but with the with his question is true though I guess but in the end um you can ask that question but as an artist that's up to the people to decide. That's why I say never ask you shouldn't really ask a painter like what is what does it mean you're painting you know?
>> Well well Tom said this the other day because it relates back to the thing we're talking about which is daycare right? is like he said that um you know uh education in general will kind of like serve the middle right and so women have like a middle level of intelligence they have a they have a middle level of you know agreeableness right like they they may hate each other but they don't uh let that spill over into the classroom often right you see what I mean so generally speaking education will cater to women and cater to their needs And again, I'm not saying I 100% buy the argument, but I'm saying like in general, right? And I think that's kind of the way that uh a lot of society is starting to uh manifest, right? Where it's going to like >> Yeah.
>> kind of go to the middle, the people the status the people that are okay with the status quo, >> um it'll cater to them. So like you know for a period of time the the comedy would be transgressive and all this because uh there was a market for it right but then as as uh society's gotten more about becoming a daycare for adults right >> for whatever reason right um it's kind of necessary for them to cater to the people that are >> not really uh you know interested in rocking the vote, right? Because societyy's now been structured in a certain way where uh it wants to it wants to cuddle people or it has to coddle people or whatever. So, I think that's part of what's going on, I would say.
>> What do you think about that machine? I see what he's talking about, though.
What he's saying?
>> Uh yeah, definitely. um you know uh I mean in terms of the uh online space right um you that we were talking about I mean it's totally um you know manufactured right like for example there's three examples I'll give >> right one is the actual manufactured drama content that's on the interwebs right um that is based on paying the trolls and the other people to show up to the show right so sometimes this is collaboration between the shows, right?
So, there's a certain level where the drama will be totally um you know, manufactured beforehand, right? Or um you know, and a second way is that there's actual production companies and um and actual um I mean know production apps, right, that assist people with creating the content, right? And sometimes these even um basically give you subjects to talk about um you know and whatnot. So a lot of these production companies their job is to sell um high-end audiences to other companies, >> right? So the whole game is of audience capture and um and um you know these audiences are basically curated beforehand, right? Uh because they belong to a certain group or they watch a certain show, right? And they're basically by and large sold to other shows, right? um where they um um you know manufacture this content and then lastly right they'll give themselves money like for example right they pay themselves right like they'll divide up the money that they're getting from the company into several donations that they give themselves through bots so if they're not generating donations they'll simply pay themselves right by giving the donations they've already gotten um I mean dividing goes up into several bot accounts and um and then generating new donations, right? So, it'll make it look like they're doing a really good job and getting all these donations, but actually it's just uh >> you know, just passing it back to themselves.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's true. And then like Yeah. And then you're bringing like talk about finances like in the drama-driven panel verse the the super chats and mon monetary donations to kind of act like a financial fuel that turns the these conflicts into like a profitable sport.
I look at it like a video game even man because the money it directly alters the behavior of of not only the host but the panelist and it and it transforms something that could be like a normal conversation into something that's like like you said engineered and it's like a like a high stakes circus for attention and money and probably if you want to more speculation like mind control some weird [ __ ] distract you from like u benefiting from self.
>> Yeah.
>> Like yesterday I was like uh denied uh >> I was not reapplied from monetization. I had to wait 90 days.
>> Oh wow.
>> And they still did and they still did it again. It's like and I I cleaned up. I took all the copyright which says you have you know reused content. So I cleaned that stuff up and still >> so it's like um yeah but yeah that's that's just something personal. But um but um yeah, this whole crowd sourcing uh using the donations is like the viewers even in the chat, they use their money to insult people and start rumors and >> well and and >> well, I'm trying to question if some of these uh regular donors are viewers or are they the production company acting like they're giving donations you know, because you see the same donors in two or three chats, right? And they don't just contribute to the show, they run a few shows.
>> Well, they're also paying YouTube directly because if YouTube takes 30% and they're sending a super chat now, you're actually releasing the hands of the host, which is actually YouTube, right? So, that's part of the thing.
>> Well, yeah. Well, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Neurojack brought up a huge point because the channels that are monetized, they're going to be promoted above the channels that aren't monetized already, right? So, that's a actual factor because they're in business with YouTube, right? YouTube is going to promote the channels that are in business with YouTube, right? Why wouldn't they? They are a business after all, right? So, you know, >> well, well, because they get a double side, too, because you both get advertising and you also get super chat.
So it's a double it's a dual income source >> for YouTube itself >> and uh and ultimately it just gives them more data right because then it's like okay now you have more transactional data then you have more >> ads data right so so it's actually I don't even think it's necessarily the money it's also the data right that it generates >> I think yeah for sure this is data driven for sure what shab Buddha said right here I saw I talk to him about this real quick he said Gabriel at Gabriel, have you have you noticed that the past few days that the bloopers versus the millennials have been occurring in the pal? Yeah, for sure. I saw that with the I saw you at Orthodox guys. I was like, "Oh, cool. I haven't seen this in a while. Machines up there." And um it's funny cuz Orthodox guy, I think he was happy to that to see you up there.
>> Summarize a lot of the events um that transpired >> um largely for my own edification and for that of the audience. Um, and I believe I I accurately >> I told you so, right? Type [ __ ] You're You're like, "I told you guys."
>> Well, I mean I mean I could say more, right? But I don't want to give away the plot, >> right? Uh because you know obviously we see more than we say. Um you know and um obviously that is a situation that has not come to a close yet from my >> well >> you know perception of it. Yeah, I'll use I mean no disrespect the orthodox guy. I don't think he'll take this the wrong way. We're cool. But like let's use him as an example because that's something that I witnessed the last couple days. It seems like he's in a uh all comes razor. I'll just look at it.
Who knows what motivation and all the strings behind it, but it looks like it's a pull he's pulled between the boomers like Chuck and Cynthia and like and uh you know Tutti and uh even though she's an exer generation X like and versus the millennials like Crab and um >> Hornet. find it fascinating because um um as you know I've had to clean house recently and so there's a lot of interesting um >> dynamics with that because it seems like >> things are coming to a sort of confrontational phase right where >> you know um certain energies turn to be um totally >> um you know untenable when placed in the same sphere and then they start to become um you know erratic. They start to give off erratically.
>> Yeah.
Yeah. The start the distortions are coming out like seeping through >> distortions.
>> Yeah. Um the chatter cake says these idiots get their camera and mic to work can't get their camera and mic to work together at the same time. They're not using bots. [ __ ] 90% of them are when you say 21 Q points uh above disabled. You know what? Like uh that's something that like John John Gold the urban landlord has been been uh stressing about like normally if it wasn't for Stream a lot of people wouldn't be be streaming.
>> Yeah.
>> Streamark makes it so easy.
>> Yeah. I mean um if you look at thumbnail to thumbnail to title to title um you know to donor to donor >> and you looked at three different chats these people are not the only ones that are running their channel. If you if you believe that these idiots that can't run their camera and run their microphone that they're the ones running the channel and they um you know happen to acquire um you know an audience of 30 to 60 people then um you know I think you should look again because there's something else going on there.
>> Yeah. Look at Jack Telkott for example like his thumbnails he like he admitted that somebody else does it.
>> Yeah. Of course >> whoever does that it's like very religiously uh dedication like every day they they're on it. Bam. Bam, bam, bam.
That's wild, bro. Um, good for him. But, um, yeah. Oh, yeah. Um, we have a new channel. Uh, cuz we're going to I mean, this one is for the next 30 days till August 16th. Um, can't can't get any super chats or anything like that. So, we're going to this hour watch hours away on my other channel. Um, it's called Mantra 93. We put it in the chat.
So, we're streaming there. We're streaming from there right now. And uh yeah, so this is going to be the main chat channel we're going to be streaming for Shadow Buddha and I. And we're going to do a um presentation on Saturday for you guys. Uh he says we'll be doing a a formal 30 minute presentation on mindfulness in the body and how the body is uh important as much as the mind. And uh we'll do we will do an easy to understand deep analysis. Yeah, for sure. We're going to do that. Hit it with the visual aids and whatnot.
And then we're going to open up the chat to seeuh what y'all think about it, you know. So that's going to be that's going to be fun because not to say there won't be drama because you know organically drama is everywhere, right? It's life, the Maya of the world, one could say. But with that said, we're going to be strictly focused on the topic at hand, right? Uh so that's going to be new for some of y'all, but it should be refreshing, too.
Um, yeah. So, this whole thing about this this uh panel verse in daycare, right? Because did you guys have to go to daycare when you were young, you know, or did you have like relatives take care of you most of the time when you were a little uh you know?
>> Yeah, relatives. Yeah.
>> Okay, that's good. Yeah.
>> So, so I did have a daycare experience uh and it was very negative, I would say. Um, >> what's up, Tom? So I don't remember a lot of it because I was pretty young and because because it it did after this after this experience I never went back to daycare so it never became an issue again but >> my experience of daycare was bad. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I'm pretty sure they didn't have daycarees um you know in Pakistan in like 1996. It is what it is.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe in the expat community they did >> which is probably small but yeah for the most part they probably did. Yeah.
>> Well I'll tell you what it was like. Uh there was a guy named Michael Aino. No, I'm just kidding.
>> Yeah, that's uh that's um No, I know.
But that's um [ __ ] I can't think of the name. It's the San Francisco the Prescidio. The Prescidio the the daycare there. That was the military base, right? And interestingly enough, DreamWorks >> uh took that was right there. Took that property over. Yeah.
>> And uh Lucas Films is not far away.
>> Lucas Film. Yeah. So, >> yep.
>> Yeah. Think about this like >> in a lot of ways if you think about it.
>> Weird, but not the uh and then down the street is Christy Field, the beach right there where uh the Zodiac Killer was on the was doing his thing over there. Um that so the >> so uh you notice this when when a host will try tri triangulate >> like because I heard this accusation of this yesterday on OG's Orthodox guys like where not he was doing it he was claiming somebody else was doing anything the host will like uh pretend to be like neutral while in the back on the back ends they're feeding information to different panelists behind the scenes to like fuel to fuel the so it's not boring or to cause drama and whatnot. There's all kinds of there's all kinds of stuff, right?
Yeah. And I think that trauma bonding is a big thing, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, well, that's kind of what I was going to say about the daycare thing because here's where it gets weird, right? So, >> there it's it's dynamic, right? And this kind of goes back into conspiracy theory as well because like, you know, are events that we watch on the news real orchestrated? Well, obviously both to some degree, right? Like you know, uh because like okay, if there's a war, like the leaders have to send those people to war, so it is orchestrated, but at the same time, people do get hurt because it's a war, right? So, >> it's both, right? And so, so for example, when I went to um daycare, like my experience was there was a lot of dirty diapers. There was a lot of kids that were biting each other. There was like a lot of like >> Yeah. like really negative stuff. And again, I only went for a very short period. But what ended up really pushing me over the edge was like, you know, for example, we went to uh see a movie uh at the daycare, right? And then at this daycare, um you know, I mean, at this movie theater, I needed to go pee and there was not enough people to take me to there and watch all the kids, so I had to wait. And you know, obviously as a little kid, that's pretty hard to do.
And I don't think it worked out so well, right? So um but you know those little negative experiences they really imprint on you and give you like a negative impression of the world right because you know and so I don't know it's it's pretty weird. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Kind of gets that way too because as school gets less personal it becomes more you know mechanical. Go ahead.
because it is a daycare for a lot especially if the uh if the students and I don't blame them aren't engaged with the material or excited to be there it becomes a daycare at best for them whereas like a student uh either because they're ignorant or because they're just really excited about learning whatever it is they're engaged with the material so they're able to you know follow follow the directions and whatnot whereas someone who's bored um the teacher becomes the daycare like, "Hey, stop doing that. Hey, pay attention."
No, no, no, no, no. You know what I'm saying? And uh and yeah. Yeah. And the thing another resonating parallel between daycare and the paddle verse is uh if if you if one spends most of their time here on the live stream panel hopping chatting, um they take that mentality offline when they do interact with people.
And I I don't think and I don't I don't get that some people go like people don't act like >> H I think you dropped out.
>> Yeah, your audio your audio your audio disconnected >> cuz I I raised my mic when it was that I don't know what you heard.
I think a lot of some people who make the claim that um uh the panel verse the the online experience is not like you wouldn't act like that in real life. I think some of those people they do act the same and and in a bad way, right? And they don't even see it.
I don't some folks here are very not self-reflected at all.
Um, >> read the room, bro.
>> Yeah. I mean I mean I'd have to see it to believe it, right? I've not seen any of these people, right? Um >> Uhhuh.
>> So, uh, out in the wild as um, out in the wild as they say, right?
>> Um, I have met one of the homies from online >> and he turned out to be very surprisingly normal, >> right? He is into like history, politics and stuff and we have had several conversations and um you know uh you know we talked about a book by Carl Schmidt and all this type of stuff. Um that gentleman came on the show we did an entire um I mean know um you know I guess breakdown um I mean of a book by Carl Schmidt right um you know the political um I mean a philosopher of the Yazis, right?
So >> yeah, I mean Michael T talks about him.
>> Michael.
>> Oh yeah, a lot of people talk about him.
Yeah, Michael T, >> right? Um the self-hating Pit.
>> Who's a bard? Irish bard. Pit.
>> Yeah. The house negro.
>> Pretty much.
>> Uncle Ruckus.
>> Uncle Ruckus.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. The Uncle Ruckus. Yeah. Yeah, taking shots. That mentors over there machine. I see >> you taking shots at my entire my entire situation. So, >> yeah.
>> Damn. Yeah. Be careful, bro. There's legal liabilities and real world consequences. Though there are some people like with that snafu snaps, right? That's another thing that gets into >> bacon out of out of the you know these uh you know losers up there right you know you know once they cross a bridge you know it's on a baby >> that's not that far from Michigan right >> yeah it's not >> pull up >> well well that's what's weird about it too is like you know most of the beefs that I've had and I'm sure this has been other people's experiences like um I don't take because I don't know most of these people personally or have any desire to.
>> I don't really look at it that beyond what it is, right? But it is kind of like weird that you have like people that take things very seriously or out of context whether it's truly how they feel or part of what they're doing on one hand and then the other side they try to bait people into be making things personal where otherwise >> wouldn't seem to be for any reason. So, seems to be a part of it. And again, I don't know if that's personality or something else going on or it's hard to know, right? So, but it does kind of go back to the whole idea of daycare because it's a daycare for the people on the panel and for the people in the chat, right? But but even think of it like this economically, right? A lot of jobs are just daycare for adults in a sense too, right? Like that's kind of the thing is like >> that the the economics have now turned from like a pure capitalism to what Mafina started to call like >> technosocialism or something or I can't remember the exact term but >> technoliberalism. Yeah.
>> Right. Right. But but but no but you said but remember Tom was saying that we live in a capitalist society and you're saying well we're kind of beyond that and now we're into like a different type of uh situation. And I think that kind of plays into the panels as well where we're all kind of being uh given a sort of welfare like jobs are more like welfare than a job now, right? They're not really >> necessarily uh about bringing the best out of you as a person. It's more about Yeah.
>> giving you something to do to occupy.
>> It's busy work. It's busy work. It's like you could be a teacher that that plans out a lecture and uh really breaks down and unpacks the the subject a topic you're you know and and and wants to go out of your way to engage the students, right? Or you can be one that says like open your workbook number two to page 53 geography and do the next 10 pages while I sit here and doom scroll or something or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. And some of these jobs do seem like the busy work, bro. You're right.
Or I got that when I was in the working at the drugstore. I called it at the at the Italian grocery store. Yeah. I was I was ringing people up, but it was still like [ __ ] bro, this is just trying to keep me out of quote unquote trouble or something. Well, well, and and there's this idea that machine has brought up and Tom has brought up and I'm sure you you're you're aware of it, but it's also come up a lot in uh a lot of commentary recently about this idea that uh you know, responsibility without authority is slavery, right? And I think more and more >> this is the kind of you know overarching critique of technology and economics and political things and all these things where like we're given more and more responsibility as humans but we're also kind of removed from it for various reasons, right? So >> yeah, >> we don't really have the authority to really take any input, right? And so the idea that we vote for things and have some authority via that is kind of like going away, right? So >> yeah, what's it becoming? You think >> we were we replacing the traditional work?
>> Sure. A day. A daycare.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Managing these people. Huh.
while they collect I would say I would assume that a majority of uh good seem like a majority of the people on in this space are disabled maybe collect some type of uh hopefully they can if they're disabled they can collect some type of assistance right to take care of themselves but uh you get a lot of time on your hands have a lot of time on their hands man um it's weird when you think you when you you may had the best intentions you're like ah I finally have some time off my hand. I got laid off or something. God forbid. Like I'm going to try to improve myself. But what happens is a lot of times is you you get in a rut of being comfortable and uh Yeah.
>> Well, but that's the thing is like if if your if if your daycare of a job is not going anywhere, but then you have a daycare where you get the illusion of control, right? So it it's more attractive because then >> you know um how many people will trade like king of the king of the mountain for that's not real for like king of the molehill that's like seems a little bit more real, right? So >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the only person I know of that went from a tradition a traditional job to doing this full-time is Powder Dusty, thus his name. like he went from uh doing drywall which probably like or or I think he just said he did something else like safety compliance some whatever it was it was construction sound like bass from going to that where yeah I'm sure even if he had a decent job it's he's not the boss right probably but to go from that to to being in control of your own quoteunquote community where you get money I can see how that could be attractive for some people Um yeah, bro. Like I had a content creator out here, one of the biggest one of the biggest expat creator. He had told me like years ago, maybe like eight years ago about the uh the importance of parasocial relationship if you're going to be a YouTuber. And uh because like if you if you have a parasocial relationship with these people uh you get you they get imshed into your life like confused right cuz a lot of viewers are we're were lonely and they lack meaningful real connections in their life right so or in their communities right their family or even communities like >> well well think think about it from this angle too like how how many people are in a parasocial relationship with their own family like their mom, their dad, their brother, their sister because they live far away, right? So like they just get a phone call once a month and say, "Hey, what's up? How are you?" And that's about the extent of the relationship. Like does that become >> parasocial in a sense at at a certain point or >> mean with your relative, >> right? Because like because as you continue to live your life away from them, >> you know what I mean? And so you're living like in meat space, but also you just kind of communicate through that about nothing.
Particularly important, right?
Uh it's one-sided. Yeah. And that's what isn't that what a parasocial relationship is?
Uh it's one-sided.
And if uh if you if you're the person that's always sharing and uh and you have this strong connection with uh your relative that you're speaking to and while they're they're completely unaware of like how important it is this relationship you have with them is yeah that's definitely becomes a parasocial relationship right if you're if you're putting in kind of like sing that's what parasocial in a broader scale I can see it as whereas A simp is someone who puts all this effort to to help somebody, to care for somebody where the other person could care less about what they're doing for them and gives them nothing almost.
>> Well, well, that's kind of the misery of the whole Only Fans economy now, right?
where and that's kind of what a lot of the YouTube commentary and all this is where I mean like Jay Dyer I don't want to name him by name but he has a very interesting >> meme where he calls like his uh his he calls his audience pay piggies like okay pay piggies some and it's and it's kind of funny but it's also like to some degree true right because >> yeah yeah yeah >> you know like you're looking for guidance in a sense from somebody you don't know and you know not that it's always bad I mean do you really know Pythagoras when you're learning from Pythagoras. No, >> it's not bad, but it's the truth.
>> Yeah, because like in the with with with Jay Dyer, like they're literally donating to him uh kind of to buy kind of like entry into his tribe and they they probably he probably if he reads the comment like or the the donation, they automatically get validation, right? Oh, he read my name around even though he called me a pay piggy.
Uh >> right. But then but then when you but then if you get excommunicated like every the whole crowd will turn on you, right? And it sends a message to everybody else that well this person's now outcast because whatever. And again that's natural to tribalism but now it's a you know digital tribalism.
>> Yeah. Because today's cuz today's guest is tomorrow's uh or tribe member is tomorrow's target. Cuz a panelist uh who's even like the host uh closest ally one night can easily become the main subject of a takedown stream the next week if they cross the host or the audience member.
>> I had that experience in the with the on the other guy's channel.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? So uh >> well think about it like this too. Like remember clvicular? He uh took only girl and then brought this brought this girl to uh >> uh meet the guy who gave her like $2 million and she didn't even want to touch him or even speak to him because >> Oh, Alice Rosenberg.
>> The chubby girl. He said, >> you talking about her?
>> Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> She's not even chubby. He said he met her and he said the first thing he said to her was like, "Wow, you're fatter than you look on screen." Wow. I didn't That's the one you're talking about, right?
>> Yeah. Well, I didn't see the whole thing. I just saw the clip where >> I watched it like a couple times >> where he brought this guy and he's like, "This is the guy who gave you $2 million." He's like, "You you want to give her give him a hug?" And she's like, "No, >> no, no." But she might have though. But here's the thing. How here's how it started. First of all, the metaphysics behind it is Curvular most likely is already already having sex with Alice for free in exchange for clout. She's, you know, he she goes on his stream, right? For the last month, I've noticed her around, right? So, he brings this her biggest pay pig, right? And he's typical weird looking incel dude. And he he shakes her hand and she looks kind of excited but kind of nervous, which is suspected. I'm being a guy that probably goons to me all the time, right? And they introduce and the first thing he says is literally, "You're fatter than than you look on screen." And once that once he said that, she was done. She didn't know what to think because it already was weird.
>> Well, well, what's interesting is like if Clvicular said that to her, >> um, >> even if he had way less money than this guy, right?
>> She'd be like, >> um, she'd be like, well, yeah, but I like Clive for whatever reason, right?
But then this other guy who is just awkward weird guy >> even though he's provided her with a living for the next 5 years, you know, he's not allowed to make her feel a some type of way, right? You see what I'm saying?
>> No. No. Because he only has money. I mean, under the I guess under the black pill, it's a special pill or whatever you want to call it. He he had status, but that guy, he didn't have I mean, he had money, but he doesn't have status or looks compared to Kvicular. And Kicular even said like, "Yeah, uh, maybe you're right." But like, and she didn't even she's still probably going to, you know, [ __ ] with still. So, it's, uh, yeah, it's wow, bro. Like, >> but but but that kind of goes back to this whole uh, panel burst as a daycare type of thing, right? Because again, it's like there's like there's like a whole ecosystem, you know, of like you said, clout and parasocial relationships and like people who want a dad, people who want a brother, people who want a sister, people who want to, you know, get laid or whatever. So, it's like it's a lot of >> different things, but because it's so inaccessible, >> um, you know, in any sort of real tangible way, uh, it puts everybody at a weird disadvantage where you don't really know even what we're doing now.
Like, we don't really know >> the full like cost of what we're doing, right? So, >> yeah. Right. I mean, that's why I do like one and the monetary is nice because I look at it as a video game of a game. We are all gamers, most of us, right? And that's like that's that's points on the board, but there's also in intangible points you can get with like great supporters that come. They may not even uh drop a dime on your stream, but they're like the work that they've done either being like exceptional panelists or great chatters uh is like priceless, you know. So there's different lot of different ways you can uh get points.
Shadow Buddhist says, "Gabe Nero is spitting that real black pill about looks and being king and a woman will make up some crop to be with cavicular from Clap." Yeah. Yeah. He sees it.
>> Yeah, he sees it right there.
>> Well, that's why that's why I'm so interested in clvicular because it is kind of like a macrocosm of like what a lot of people are actually experiencing.
Imagine all the people, you know, you know, 25 years old and they're, you know, their girlfriend either does Only Fans or they don't have a girlfriend and they watch Only Fans because they feel like they have an experience of it, right? So, >> they have that girl and she's like, they already have a quotequote solid relationship. Someone say, "Hey, it was never solid, but hey, [ __ ] shit's very delicate, man. Don't even think about it." Like, she's like, "I'm considering doing Only Fans. I want to pay off my college loan." It's like, god damn, that's [ __ ] >> Well, well, there's a whole >> Well, there's a whole economy of women who expect to get paid just because they're women. Um, and they get and some of them do get it, but but because it's this kind of general expectation, like women don't believe in having any sort of like u two-lane uh relationship where it's like it's a back and forth between a man. It's kind of like, well, if I get what I want, maybe I'll grace you with giving you what you want because I want to give it to you or something like that. Which, you know, of course, we want to think that relationships work that way, but the reality is there's always a give and take of some sort in any relationship, right? It doesn't necessarily mean that there's no love, but there's always going to be an some sort, right? So, >> yeah, listen. I mean, granted, maybe there isn't. Maybe there is the you want to call it caveman where the guy's like you do what I say everything I you know oh you know shut your mouth all that [ __ ] like maybe that is a relationship uh maybe someone maybe a woman would certain women would like that but I don't see it really uh but I certainly don't agree with one when you're getting walked over as a man e too you know uh so I would say every every body needs a head. Every team needs a leader, right? If you are a part of a team, your family, or even if it's just you and your girl, um you got to be the head as a man. However, you take compromise too when applicable when when when you know when when it's when it's poignant and you take counel probably from her too, you know. So yeah, people can say all this [ __ ] put out their chest and say this women and men, but like talk to me when you you done plus 14 years of marriage and then maybe maybe uh what you have to say will hold a little bit more weight. Not to say that I can't get knowledge from someone who's single, but like just remember who you guys are talking to though. Oh, it's a different Yeah, it's a different it's a different whole different thing because like every year that you're married or in a relationship, even if it's a friendship or something, every year is going to change, you know, like it's going to be different. It's not going to be >> the same. It's always going to evolve. I mean, and if it doesn't, then that's probably a really bad sign. If it doesn't either, you know, even if it doesn't, that's probably not good either. So, >> you like bliss out on shrooms 24/7 or something.
Yeah. Well, who said something? Oh, yeah. Um, our friend Becca, she said, "I'm so confused. What What do pills represent?" Uh, this is pills represent like kind of like a a in this case the state of mind of how you uh how you would address a certain situation in in this case in terms of male female um dynamics, interactions particular sexually. And um I think Shadow explained it a little bit here. Gabriel he said uh so the pills right the black pills it's kind of like the existential pill black pill equals looks money height status as that's their they think that that's what attraction is based on right not being a nice guy uh not yeah I'll just keep it at that looks money status basically this is what that's based on right this is this is your lot in know what you have know what you're working with. And in a lot of ways, if you do that, if you do want to talk to a woman, engage with a woman, you can kind of almost judge where, you know, where it might take you. You might not go out of your league or you might not underell yourself either, right? And then the red pill, uh, social awareness and techniques to dating, career, and money.
Like that's kind of like self-improvement, right? like you already know what you're dealing with right now. How am I going to level up so I can take advantage of what I'm working with? You know, get my body right, uh, get my finances right, get my they call RZ or whatever, charisma right, your game right, and get your money right.
Then the blue pill is like what we're all were born into basically a world of you're still asleep to how things are going on. You're not awake. It's to the realities of life which you do need sometimes especially if you have a job especially if you do have a wife or a girlfriend. You you got to be blue pill in the sense I call it being humble sometimes and the nice guy, right? Uh it's okay to be the nice guy when you have other things in order, but if you're just the nice guy throughout your life you're going to get [ __ ] on. So, this is kind of like a quick overview of uh the pills, right? Black, red, blue. Mhm. And don't get me wrong, you only take pills when you're sick, right?
Um don't don't live and die by these things. It's just something to remind you >> of situations.
>> What What color pill would the daycare pill be?
>> The daycare pill would be the the blue brown one with the dirty diaper.
the bluish brown bill.
>> Oh. Oh, you know, I I forgot to mention this earlier.
Um, and and I think there may be somebody joining soon. How much longer are you going? Because somebody told me they wanted to join, but they did not come up.
>> I'm going to go at least another hour. I got to go. I got to go to the dog park in an hour or something like that. Yeah.
>> Okay, cool.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. They're more than welcome. What's up, Marilyn? I just saw you. What's up, sweets? Good to see you. Yeah. Shout out to this person ex I think they changed their name. Who the like they're killing it.
>> This is a guy. This is this is a fan of our show. I think he used to go by a different name, but he's from like the United or something like that. Yeah.
>> But um he's a funny guy. I like his I couldn't I couldn't understand his mic uh sometimes, but he's he he has a lot of interesting stuff to say. Uh I wish you would join. Um >> but no, I was going to ask you, what do you think of Waldorf schools? because uh I was kind of thinking about this recently cuz I tried to pick my kid to a Waldoff school walled off school uh last year which was a little bit too early I think but um I was kind of intrigued like I think they have an interesting thing but I didn't look that deep at it.
That's um >> So, do you know if I'm >> not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, they're they use some of the um Jesus Christ, what's his name? Cool guy.
>> Steiner. Steiner. Steiner.
>> Rudolph Steiner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like his stuff. But I'll tell you from anidically people I know, my good friend Jeff uh Jeff Sodto, the the author with the college with his daughter and son went to Waldorf school and is very like art artsy like art focused and creative as I remember him saying. And um and if you know the lore from this channel in my life, like uh my surfer girl that I used to date back in college, she was a product of Waldorf school. And I remember when she would talk about it, she would tell me very great artist, right? Um visual artist. Uh she would tell me that like, you know, she loved her school and all that and they taught her like, you know, painting, but they don't read. They don't they don't promote the kids to read till they're like a certain age.
uh they don't I don't think they focus on traditional academics right away. So the kid may be off the charts with art, but I remember she was telling me Tia would tell me that like uh when she got to quote unquote regular school, conventional school, she was like way behind and didn't know like you know the STEM STEM stuff for example probably, right?
And then some English language. Well, I noticed Yeah, I noticed one thing like my my own schooling was kind of uh it's kind of a blur for whatever reason, but you know, when you raise your own, you notice one thing >> very quickly. Um and I'm sure you notice this because you have a kid and you're and you've taught, right? But >> um the whenever I realized that my that you know my son could read very early compared to most of the kids >> um it's extremely weird because kids kind of just pick up on the meaning of things on their own. Right.
>> Right.
>> And I've noticed that it's like it's way earlier than I think people give them credit for in a lot of ways. And uh it's kind of like a self-fulfilling thing.
Um, and I noticed when I when I saw some of these more artistic kids, their uh their ability to kind of pick up on things was kind of stunted, I guess. And so I was kind of shocked by that cuz I didn't expect it to be so pronounced.
But yeah, I was kind of you insight why that might be or >> it's only it's probably only there's only probably so much processing power the kid can have. I'm looking the video game um um metaphor, right? in their in their build out building out their character and I I guess like that could be it. Now, if you if you could find someone that's like a kid that's on on genius with STEM but also a great visual artist, that would be insane. Uh yeah, we got a guest right here. Let me get let me bring him up real quick.
>> That's a good dedication.
>> Way to go.
>> Good morning.
>> Hey, how's it going, Paleer? Good to have you, man.
>> Good. Yeah. Uh it is 11:38 a.m. here in Busousan. I just had cheese to Pokei and uh saying hi to Jack and machine lies >> and >> blessings.
Good to have you. What's on your mind?
What's trending? I mean, it's rare that we get someone with a mind like you here, like legend like that. So, what's what's trending with wheel?
>> What's on your mind, man? Uh the American market again crashed yesterday from American America Trump returning and uh I question the ethics of day trading all the time. But I think in this type of society, if you want to make money by doing nothing, I think everybody's day trading and not telling one another how to do it. But uh even when you tie yourself into it, it's kind of like the pack with the devil. So if the devil falls, you fall too. But if the devil raises you, you get a rise too. So uh in that kind of dysfunctional society, uh that's kind of the only means of quote unquote producing anything if that means sitting in front of our computer and being dictated by digits that give us keys to open doors that really don't mean anything.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then on top of that, it's like uh whether you're, you know, working with the devil, you know, winning with the devil or losing with the devil, you're going up and down like this roller coaster in the background.
Like that's that says something for the state of the the the collective consciousness. I would think >> pretty much.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just feel the same way, too, where if American society would be any better, at least there would be some form of security, but it's it's almost lacking.
And a and I think that just might be a sign of collapse, but maybe I'm just being too pessimistic there.
>> Would you say like when we hear that some of these u conservatives, I don't know what else to call them, but like when they say, you know, we need to get back to the trades, the trades, that's where it's at.
Um, is that push back from this uh day trading mentality going on? You think >> I don't think the trades are going to work because >> that that that hole has already been filled as used. I don't know what else metaphor to say, but >> you can only have so much that robots will just replace you and you can only tenure those people who got in 10 years ago to make sense of a trade or a quote unquote skill. use the rhetoric to make sure it's all about individual liberty than it is about uh you know an actual objective thing going on. And the only thing they can do is uh like I said, create quick retirements or at least put quote unquote tenure on these people where it kind of creates a type of private socialism for they but not for you or and it just seems like it's just a part of the whole ideal that uh you know it's unnecessary unnecessary pain when you could reduce it to do something else like crypto. So like day trading, like a managerial job in New York, even if it's, you know, there's this argument whether you get more wealth from what you do. But if it's a credit society and everything's borrowed, well, there's no real wealth being made. Uh it's kind of this weird debt society of owning to owning by owning something. It never ends >> and it's just a society perpetuated upon interest. So that's pretty much I think people are just kind of they've made sure that there is a non-physical economy and people are just lost in kind of a newer cast system.
>> Yeah, Nero, is that a gut punch to you?
We've been talking about that day trading. I have like my best friend Brian Leo. He's he's pretty much on uh trends and stuff. That's options. That's his thing right now.
>> Yeah. Well, that's what I'm trying to learn. And I realize it's like you have to kind of like uh you know you got to kind of like you know that like I'm not big into like obviously like I'm a Christian but like if I think if you're going to like there there is this kind of like uh communion that you would want to do with like lady luck or something like please like let me win because there's no and that's the same thing in business too like if you want to make a lot of money it's always gambling at the end of the day right and I think the gambling analogy is very poignant because there's like no way to gambling or not. But >> they love to say investment though. This is an investment. It can't be gambling.
And when it's investment, they're just it's a vagueness to cover the front that it is gambling. uh because if you have x amount of money to make this amount in return and it's just probability in the end yes I guess it's a skill but then also at the same time they could control the market at any will to bail out people and you at the expense even if you had statistics on your side and everything was proven right.
>> Shadow Buddha has a question for you. He says, "Do you think Japan and Europe will want to demand pay payment back for the debt for their debts anytime soon?"
>> I don't think so because it's a whole debt society. They It's usery. They're basically stuck within this like I said a devil pack of like I take a very here here's the thing. I think this is a cryptic Marxist view that I have. I seriously believe Japan has been colonized, but it's under a soft form of colonization. Uh it's I know it sounds >> uncanny, but if you ask a hardcore Marxist or some kind of new leftist today, they will talk about Japan being colonized even at the soft level. And I think that colonization has to do with being entrapped in a system that perpetuates, you know, a economic liberal capitalist society that has its value system against, you know, other forms of socialism. And uh it just divides the world into this again 1950s cold world capitalism versus communism ideal. And I think that binary still never left. It just evolved into bricks which is you know any argument of multipolarity you know which means everybody can grow without the west divides say G7 America it's leftover of Europe and only Japan and uh then some other Asian countries that are sitting on the fence and they don't know if it's G7 or bricks but you have agents within it and uh that kind of ideal is what what do they say ethno nationalism. Everybody goes to your own room, but there's no external reality.
It seems like ethnationalism, the G7 side, and multiplayer on the brick sides is literally the same thing. It's just >> the agendas are different, but the application has this libertarian basis, which >> I believe is still liberalism. It's just a very convoluted form of soft liberalism where we play agents, too.
Well, and I don't mean to interrupt, but I but I want I wanted to ask uh Pillier this because I wrote a comment to you when you said you might want to jump on.
I said Grahamshi Daycare is the like new model or something. So that's kind of like how I feel about it, but I I was wondering do you think that's accurate or not really? I would say um again I would say James Burnham's the managerial revolution where coming from a troskist background and realizing you know if you know something about Troskism the permanent revolution the third world is problematic and racist they can't be reformed into communist therefore you have to have a first world elite that could change the world to its interest well that just morphed into the neoonservatives who you know were they were center right leaning but withroskus based and then denied Marxism kind of like Austrian school for economics and then like if it's Grahamshy then Graham she's arguing you know well the only reason why I'm in prison under Italian fascism is because the the media and what people believe is more important than the application of practice well then that that problem is that just subverts back into like a defeatism uh there there can you Attina, there is no alternative. And this kind of you can't debunk the liberal system. There is no usurping going on. And I think that type of infiltration comes from the American left, whether that's from PSL or uh DSA.
And uh any talk that communism is a a metaphor like uh Tony Negri argues in Commonwealth for Empire or this Mark Fisher hipster obsession obsess obsessive nature that things are metaphorical and I think all this is a ploy so they wouldn't create Mauist or Stalinists. Uh, I think that's the funny part which has a benefit but has a doubt but I think it just creates but I've heard the grant long story short I think there's this more obsession with controlling the platform and telling what's on TV than it is about politics. So, uh, I was sending Neurojack um, about Mixtape, you know, this new video game game that's just about 1999 and it's three hours and it's more like a a movie visual, not really a game, but, you know, everybody hates it because it's what you can do if you had that much money. You can make a game about yourself and put the music in you like and the aesthetics you like into it against the will of the people. You might not like it, but this is what they like. And if you want to be cultured, you got to like what they like. It's just like reading the New York Times or NPR stuff white people like, whatever.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's a form of metaphorical Graham Sheen daycare. They just think >> I think the problem is assuming everybody wants that. assuming somebody in Africa likes that and somebody in Asia and I see this a lot with >> liberal journalist outlets. Yeah.
>> Do those people even care really though?
To me they seem like they >> No, they don't care. I don't care because they're in their they're in their own reality. That's the point.
Because they're so aloof with money.
They can do whatever they want, not take consequences, never be in debt. They could lose money, but it won't hurt their way of life because they have trust funds upon trust funds.
>> It's funny you say that like, okay, now I'm trying to make the the the parallel to the the topic of what I was trying to do here with the daycare in the in the in the panel verse parallel like people are basically like, you know, biting time here, right, from their normal misery life for some people. Um, so with that said, would you say like some of these panels are, you know, like the people just like those those top tier upper class people you're talking about making that video game in their panels? They're doing like a ghetto version of that maybe.
I mean, if you mean ghetto, I I mean like aesthetic or in subculture.
>> I mean, um, >> men in a chat, a Tik Tok chat, being resentful against how the world's against them, I guess that's real. Um, and then you can have a chat full of trans people taking how they and they create these weird terms, how they hate outsiders in a very cultlike manner. Um, >> I think that's more like some weird division sex, if that makes any sense. It's like, okay, you Yep.
>> Yeah.
>> In general, what do you think? Cuz you have a uh your work seems to have a vast like a zoomed out version of what's, you know, what's going on and how the system in the systems that are like pushing things or whatnot. Um, how would you think this like in terms of Streamyard uh culture, YouTube live culture plays into some of the things that you've been recognizing and observing?
>> Well, I mean, it's been going on for a decade now with Google Hangouts. if I remember when it was Luke Ford and Luke Ford um on his show would have pretty much everyone from >> uh some of those names don't even exist anymore but I mean they're all on X now but the longest you know Google Hangout person was Beards Beardley with the weekly sweat and now he seems to be a big general with the Nick Fuentes party but it seems like after Google Hangout we >> have this splinter of Streamyards and just public Access TV for uh creating virtual hangouts and mimicry of Discord and X spaces and sex spaces have only been around for four years now. But it seems like the discord ideal that we are coming into a virtual room to out of boredom to exercise mental and thinking activities we can't really do uh in person or in the meat world because >> there's nothing really to do uh unless we're in academia but it's already compromised. So, >> uh, everything's everyone speaks in code now. And I think that has to do a lot with or you're just not in the the beast world. You're not in the, uh, belly of the beast. You're somewhere else. And I think that's true with a lot of people is that they can't even be in the places where they are targets to be destroyed.
Whoa.
What do you think about that machine?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
>> Yeah, I got a little quote here by Montasauri from the technological society, you know. Um it says, "We must awaken the child's social conscience.
I know that it is complicated um um that it is a complicated educational question. But the child who will become the man must be able to understand life and its needs. The fundamental reason for all existence.
The search for happiness. He must know exactly what he must do and what he must not do for the good of humanity. To reach these ends, we must prepare the child to understand the meaning of the necessity of the in um intente among the nations. It's like the peace among the nations, right? And then it says the organization of peace devolves more.
Did you catch dropped off for a second?
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. He dropped off. Yeah. I heard that what he said about the happiness like the the point of uh the point of, you know, the purpose of a child is to find out what makes them happy. That sounds like hedonistic or uh um what does what does the society look like if it's if the top priority is what makes you happy? That sounds all right.
Or am I missing something?
>> Well, just off the top of my head, I mean, well, happiness it can't be a constant thing. It's going to be psych cyclical at best, right? I would say. So that's >> it's convenient to the present, right?
Whatever happy is now isn't happy tomorrow. Um that's another weird thing.
Whatever >> your form of pleasure isn't the same as a general acceptance of pleasure. So that's uh there's a self-defeater there.
Um >> and I think it's a part of the problem where the liberal world order basically just says you do you or why do you care about what others do? and this kind of again selfsegregation libertitarian soypism that uh there's no external reality >> machine can you finish that quote uh because I I do have some comments I want to say no >> idea when I uh fell out of here >> oh will you fill out about well one like 30 seconds in so >> um yeah um oh says um he must know exactly what he must do and what he must do for the good of humanity. To reach these ends, we must prepare the child to understand the meaning and necessity of the ente among all nations. Like peace among nations, the organization of peace devolves more on education than on politics. To secure peace practically, we must envision a humane education.
Psychopedi which affects not one nation but all men on earth.
Um, education must become a truly humane science to guide all men to judge the present situation correctly.
>> Yeah, you do you.
Yes, Stanley, you're more than welcome to come up. Let me uh before we comment on machines, let me bring in our new friend here.
>> Yes, hyper individualistic.
>> Yeah, let me uh where's the sh uh good radio right here?
What up, Stanley? How's it going, man?
Good to have you.
>> Yeah, you're on live and direct. What's up, Lil Wing in the chat? Good to see you.
>> Well, good to be here.
>> She dropped down again. Good. Yeah, good to have you, too. Um, you you asked a great question about like, uh, is there would you say is there really uh child care?
>> Well, yeah. Um, is there such a uh shoot I can't remember now. Um, >> is there such a thing as childhood?
>> Basically, is there such a thing as childhood?
>> Oh, childhood. Excuse me. That's what it was. Yeah.
What do you guys think about that machine?
>> Um, I mean, um, definitely the line is being blurred, I guess.
Right. Um, and they're perpetually drawing a conflict between sort of young versus old, that's sort of a low-level conflict, right? Uh, also like men versus women is another form of like a lowlevel like the uh, you know, like the lower spiritual level, you know, like conflict, >> right? So, um, but yeah, um, you know, curious to know what you mean by that, Stanley. You know what I mean?
Well, I I'm I'm an old man. I'm 61, >> right?
>> I grew up uh in the US South um back in the day. And you know, one of the things that I was lucky enough to have were parents and grandparents for that matter who were, you know, let a child be a child. uh the child you know doesn't know what happiness is technically they are just happy uh you bring them into adulthood you know in stages um and I'm a big believer in that children should be children um seeking happiness happiness for a child is good parents who look out for them Um happiness is not it's very subjective.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So you think that what um you know Maria is saying is like hyperindividualistic um you know that >> I don't care about that. Um children should be children.
>> Right. Right. So you don't think they should search for happiness is what you're saying?
>> Nope. They don't know what happiness is until how many how many two year how many two year olds can spell happiness?
And if they can, they're probably unhappy.
>> Well, can you define child or can you can you give me your definition of child and happy?
>> A child a child is basically someone and I'll do it legalistically. A child is someone who is dependent on a parent.
>> Do you think do you think that the do you think that the state or or systems act >> the state has nothing to do with it in a US context? state has nothing to do with it.
>> Sure they do. They absolutely do.
>> If the state if the state did not birth that child, >> doesn't have anything to do with that child. Now, of course, you know, there are rules, you know, you got to have an education, you got to have your shots and stuff like that. But parents are responsible for the child. The state does not uh birth a child.
Well, but would you ar wouldn't you argue that?
>> No, no, no. I need you to help me out here. Does a state birth a child?
>> Does an environment?
>> Okay. I need I need you to I need you to concentrate on my question.
>> So, wait. Are you a bank?
>> Does the state have does the state have a womb?
>> Leaving a blank slate. We're not pulling we're not pulling children out of uh the state's womb, >> right?
>> So says you. I mean, I don't know that it's >> Oh, wait. Hey, I I was there when my son was born.
They didn't pull it out of the state.
>> You are the >> They had to clean it. They had to give They had to give the woman They didn't give the state They did not give the state uh the state needed an apeziottomy.
>> Holy [ __ ] >> Who who raised your son more, you or the state?
>> Me.
>> As a matter as a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, he he came home from college. Damn it. The state couldn't keep him once I tossed him out.
>> Now that's a joke.
>> But but you see, >> you just came home a couple weeks ago, right, Sally? Literally, right?
>> How do you separate how do you separate the man? How do you separate the the the the person from the environment? Right.
Like >> uh the person's the person, the environment's the environment.
>> Sure. As a matter of fact, if you really want to think about it, um, you come in from the environment in a shelter.
People need shelter like they need protection from the environment sometimes.
>> Here's Ben when he was born. Like a literally 15 minutes after he was born right here.
>> A number. Okay. Okay.
>> 3,000.
A >> 15.
>> That's a big baby.
>> Yeah.
>> And toys is five.
>> Five.
>> Yeah.
>> Five. Five.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you. That guy's eight years old.
He just did a judo tournament yesterday.
Came in second. So, yeah.
>> No way.
>> Time flies. Time flies.
>> What boy does it?
>> Yeah. It's just crazy for you.
>> Yeah. Thanks, man. Yeah. Congratulations on the Stanley, too, man. He has a um one of our great thinkers over there in the over there. Yeah.
>> Oh, I wouldn't go that far.
>> Come on, man. Yeah. So, shout out to Oh, this is a man that has What's up, uh is this Tom Noi?
>> Y up, man. What's going on, brother? How y'all living?
>> I'm chilling, bro. Speaking of children, this man is a master at having children right here. Right. What's up, man?
>> I'll tell you, bro. Like, listen. I got eight I got between eight and 12 kids, depending on which female you talk to.
You know what I'm saying?
>> Jeez.
>> Oh, man. We're talking daycare and I mean, I was trying to relate it to, you know, this panel verse stuff, but it it it got us to a wider question about we're talking right now, you know, if you caught up about childhood and what is a child and all that. Um, I don't know. Any thoughts? Can I ask you a quick favor?
>> Can cuz I wasn't able to listen to the whole thing. The panel verse. Can you make that link for me?
>> Oh, the link um >> No, no, no. The the panel verse to the daycare.
>> Oh, yeah. because uh you know the the daycare system um uh in terms of the US it was you know it came about uh it was a move from the home uh to the industry to to industry right during the industrial age we needed that right and I'm thinking and I made that it made me think because I'm thinking about how this these panel uh these panelists as panelists a lot of people they take their private struggles and you know they vent normally what they would event to a friend or a family member remember um they do it on these digital spaces because a lot of times their offline environment um is they don't they don't feel like they have a a place available or people available that will uh actually listen to them.
>> So >> yeah, >> that's one of the connotations I was I was looking at. Well, well, well, and really quick, you just kind of, you know, give me a little insight like, you know, think, think think of whose responsibility it is to raise children, right? It used to be parents alone. Now it's teachers and >> No, it was never it was never parents alone, dog. It was never parents alone.
>> No, no, no. But, but what I'm saying is that it was clear about who who was in charge. Now, now it's like mostly raised by women or mostly raised by the state or mostly raised by the government or propaganda or media.
>> No, no, no. you're raising them for the government, right? That's the that's the thing that like a lot of people don't understand. Like, you know, when you when you think of America, like you go, "Oh, this is a nation. It's not a nation. This is an economic zone, right?
And as a parent, your job is to raise good economic units, right? To feed into the economy. That's your purpose. And so, like, how do you do this?" Well, you send your kids to school to go learn like the social structure, right? You know, I mean, to be molded into like the proper type of citizen, right? But the daycare leads into that to give them a head start on that, right? Because everybody is like competing to be able to stand here and have their children, you know, I mean, like have a, you know, I mean, like a normal middle class lifestyle. And that's why like they send everybody like to college over the past, you know, I mean, like 10, 15, 20 years, whatever it is, right? Is because like they want you to be able to stand here and like be decent economic units, number one. But number two also, right, they're pushing the responsibility of, you know, I mean, like training and education and the structure and the culture of like the the the economy onto like the individual rather than having it be, you know, I mean, like a community thing. It's like it was never like the the the entire idea of the nuclear family that's actually only ever existed after the industrial revolution.
That didn't exist before then. Before then it was like a multi-generational family.
>> Have you read uh David Brooks's the the nuclear family was a mistake?
>> No, I haven't. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah, it's the same argument. It's basically the same argument that the nuclear family is an economic unit rather than a nation.
>> And Brooks famously wrote that out and uh we should go back to the extended family which you talk about as the community because the extended family puts the people in your blood first. And this was written by Atlantic journalists pretty much.
>> Yeah. Right. And well, journalists have done a lot of just like the Nine Nations of America was written by a journalist, right? You know, I mean that's a that's a fascinating I forget the guy's name, but it was back in like 1923, right?
Where they broke down the different nations of North America, right? Because like it's actually like we're not like one nation.
>> The one I read was Colin Woodard. Have you read that? It's a more >> version. Yeah. Yeah. Colin Wood. I think that's the guy's name. Colin Woodard.
>> Yeah.
>> Yep.
>> What was he talking about?
>> Really? Well, basically it's, you know, how America is regional and I I don't want to distract, but uh >> it there are basically 11 regions, you know, deep south, New England, Midlands, you know, and it influences so much of um our politics, our culture, etc., etc. And uh it actually when I read it just gave me oddly enough an insight on black culture, you know, which is what I talk about a lot, >> right?
>> So uh I think I I think that nine nations uh idea, America started out as 13 colonies uh not a contiguous nation. We have federalism for a reason. um states have a lot of power. We are not as um homogeneous, you know, like a Switzerland um as we tend to think we are. And uh that's kind of the reason there's so many ideas floating around.
So I don't I don't want to, you know.
>> Yeah. Well, that's and that's that's the whole daycare thing, right? like the whole daycare structure, right, is all based off of like the period of America where everybody was more homogeneous and that's because like we were >> uh America has never been homogeneous if you actually take that nine nations never been never been not even at the beginning.
>> Let me let me had a whole civil war >> from the period of 1945 until 1980.
Right. actually technically like 1937 till 198. Wait a minute. If you go look if you go look at like the voting patterns, >> right? Like go look go look at >> and >> wrong.
>> Go look at the votes.
>> There was there was a whole civil rights movement in there. Tell me about how we were homogeneous.
>> All right. So, I'm I'm gonna explain you. You don't need to explain, son. I'm not a neophite.
I mean like listen the homogynous after the homogenity argument after 1945 is ridiculous.
>> I mean it's not >> you don't have to mean I have done my evaluation. It's ridiculous. We've never been homogeneous from day one July 4 19 uh 1776 to now. We've never been homogeneous.
I mean, can you break down for the hold on hold on can you break down what does what does what do we talk about homogeneous a definition for that? Well, well, well, the first definition you need is nation. What what do you mean by nation first and secondly homogeneous?
>> Where they're from?
>> Well, yeah, go ahead.
>> All right. So, like the homogeneity idea, right, of culture. I'm talking like homogeneity of culture, right? Not homogeneity of of like people's ethnicities, religions, anything like homogeneity of culture, right? All right. So the reason I say this is is because like everybody at that point like go look at the approval rating of the government or the trust in the government at that point like from like 1945 until about 1980 right I mean it dipped after like Kennedy got shot and it dipped after Nixon some right but like it >> okay was how many years after Kennedy got shot where is your argument going >> it was 27 years after Kennedy got shot Where are you going? Why are you doing these huge leaps in time?
>> It's not 27 years is not a huge leap in time.
>> 27 years is a huge leap in time if you want to talk political homogeneity.
>> It's not. Well, hold on.
>> It literally is. The 250 year old country, 27 years is quite a chunk of time.
>> I know the Wait, I know the disconnect between you guys. You guys are using different definitions for the term nation.
>> I'm using a right definition. And no, I understand what a nation state is. So don't go there.
>> Once you once you got the once you got the publication of mass media through like radio and television, right?
>> It was much more homogeneous, right, than it is today, right? before we had the internet age and everybody ended up like you know uh like put into their own boxes and had their own like uh algorithmic like you know I mean different little echo chambers that they have now right things were much more homogeneous right between 1945 and 1980 than they are today >> can I help you out >> the approval the approval in government and the approval in the economics >> a thingow it's a thing right it's a thing like everybody watch the same movies listen to the music. Everybody Everybody should listen watch the same movies listen after the same cars had the same goals had the same truck. The American dream was the idea that was pushed by Ford after that time.
>> Am I wrong?
>> Should I Should I sing a Negro spiritual?
>> I was about to say something wrong.
>> Are you Did you catch that?
>> Oh, dude. You are so [ __ ] wrong.
Black people weren't black people weren't hearing that [ __ ] Dude, you are so >> I don't even know where to go.
>> He may be wrong, but it's like a little bit more saying the negro.
>> Where did you get the homogenity argument? Black people. Yeah, we we were we were there. We witnessed.
>> Hold on. Wait. Wait. Cuz you know, >> you got to remember where Stanley where he grew up. Man, the South is a little different than other places.
>> Yeah. I'm from I'm from PA, bro. Like, listen, we have black suburbs where like you had steel workers and [ __ ] and they were like 100% there. Do you Okay, we have black kids. I have black children.
>> I don't care. Okay, let's go back to your argument about the homogenity.
If you have black kids, do you preach this homogenity argument to your black kids? To your black friends?
>> Oh, no. No. Listen, I got my black kids.
My black son. My black son. My black son's down in Georgia right now, right?
>> Actions.
>> When you preach, >> my black son's in Georgia. My black son's in Georgia right now playing football. Right.
>> Hang on. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
He's out there playing football in Georgia.
>> Listen. I'll listen.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Good. Good.
Good. Right. Yeah. Listen and like literally like it is well understood that like you know I mean when he was up north, right, and he went up to like Rock Haven, right? He was around Italians and like you know I mean like black kids and mixed kids, right? You know I mean it's like he was fine. You went down there to Georgia and he's like but like these [ __ ] are different down here. This is a whole different type of thing, right? It's a different thing as a whole. But hang on a minute.
>> And you have defeated your own argument about homogeneity. It's a different thing. you when it comes to you argument >> when it comes to the economics economics right and the cultural aspects of the economics it was very similar it was it was pretty much homogeneous during that period everybody wanted the same [ __ ] they wanted a car a house you know what I'm saying like two or three or five or 10 kids right they they wanted [ __ ] like to have property to participate in the econom the time frame. Can you give me a time frame when everybody wanted the same thing?
>> Again, it was 1945 to 1980 and everybody believed it was possible, too.
>> So, was that Martin Luther King's argument? We all want the same thing.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. You You I don't know how I argue with this.
>> Well, hold on. Well, hold on, Stanley.
Let me help you out because put it this way. Egalitarianism means we have the same access to it, but it's not the same as sameness. That we're all the same. You may have equal access to it, but some people won't have that access.
>> Yeah. And he wanted the same access.
>> He wanted the same.
>> I don't think so. I think I think black people in 1961 just didn't want their asses beat when they when they protest.
They want when they sat at a lunch counter, they did not want any guff.
They just wanted coffee.
>> Yeah, I agree. They wanted the opportunity to participate.
>> All I have to say, and I'm going to be rather gentle here >> because it's my first time. It's my first time here.
>> I will I will yield the floor, but your argument about homogeneity and we all wanted the same thing. Yeah. maybe at a meta level, but um I think sometimes they just wanted a cup of coffee and a cheese sandwich and couldn't I >> How do you How do you pay for a cup of coffee and a cheese sandwich?
>> Really? You're going to go there, son?
>> We're talking economics.
>> The whole civil rights movement was paid for by McDonald >> again.
again. I'm just gonna I'm just going to calm down.
>> Let you think there's two different schools. Liberalism means that we have or that we're all the same the will to do it. And egalitarian means we have equal access, but it doesn't mean we're all going to have the cheese sandwich or that we can't. We may try to get the cheese sandwich, but >> don't even know what that means.
Egalitarianism and liberalism.
Liberalism Not the same thing.
>> No, not even close.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, let me help you out because really quick, uh, Stanley, I want to go back to what you first said. You said this nation has never been homogeneous. Well, what do you mean by nation, though?
>> Cultural. I mean culturally, >> but that's not the definition of a nation though.
>> Okay. Yeah. I think a nation can share a government. nation states are basically under a same government. Um, it tends to not be a monarchy. There on a whole bunch of different um, I don't know, kingdoms, thieftdoms, that sort of thing.
>> Now, you can sharpen up my definition because I hadn't thought about it, but I know what a nation state is.
>> Yeah. A nation a nation is a group of people who shares the same shared history, economics, um like uh like ethnicity, language, culture, and religion, right? That's a that's that's a definition of a nation technically, >> right? But like you know, we're not we're not a nation no we have Oh, hold on. I'm talking nation state.
>> Um a nation state is like something else completely.
>> Correct. We have a nation state in this modern world.
>> I mean, yeah, a state something out completely as well. Like state, >> that's why I keep That's why I keep saying nation. State, not nation.
>> Nation.
>> Yeah. Nation. Uh, all right. So, like a state as a whole, like state as a word didn't exist until like 15.
>> Okay.
Interested. Uninterested in the tap dancing. American.
>> No. No. It's important to understand what it means.
>> It is literally a modern concept. A lot of it has to do with the industrial revolution.
How >> you know all these all these tribes, all these um whatever like Germany, >> Germany is a bunch of little kingdoms. I agree with like >> economics economics forced economics forced a bunch of nations into nation states.
>> There we go. Yeah, you're right. This is emerging class.
>> I know I'm right. Thank you for confirming.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Hold on real quick. Hold on real quick.
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>> Thank you.
>> Right.
>> Well, you'll receive great conversations like these. Go ahead.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, boy.
>> Yeah. Like, so yeah, sorry. Like, listen, listen. So, like this whole thing, like what we have right now is a capitalist structure based on like merchant colonial [ __ ] uh economics from like 1480, something like that, right? That's where all this structure came from. Um, and up until, you know, I'm saying like probably the 1800s, the 1880s, like with the advent of like electricity or mass electricity, oil, transportation, all these type of things, right? everything was much much more localized, much much more divided, much more generational after that period after like the 1940s, right? Cuz like you had in 19 in 1930 in 1930 in 1930 there was there was 10% of the population >> which country which which country >> in the United States in the United States 10% of the population the United States correct?
>> Well, we're only talking about the US right now. I don't care about the rest of the world. Right. So like >> well let me let me help you out with your very niche point of view.
>> This is not a niche.
>> There's a book there. It is a very niche point of view.
>> And when I say when I say niche I have a better word but I'm new here.
>> So >> thanks for your great >> uh there is there is a book called Empire of Cotton and I'm new to the book. I had no clue that cotton was like the first global economic thing. It ushered in um the actual industrial revolution.
Uh you must read it and it will solve a lot of these weird notions.
Um, cotton, uh, had no clue, but cotton independently was grown and woven in several different parts of the world.
And, uh, it wound up being that, you know, England wound up taking over the whole thing over, you know, a couple hundred years.
It will tie together a lot of what's a nation state, how nation states were formed, how the industrial revolution got to be the industrial re revolution.
Spinn Beckard is uh the name of the author and he's also written a book on capitalism which I haven't read. You got to read it. It it's seinal. Um and it wasn't just about the United States. It wasn't just about the United States.
But I had no clue how the Civil War changed a world economy. I I had no clue. It It's just a brilliant.
>> So So you said the Civil War was not about slavery alone. It was about >> No, no, no, no, no. My point was the Civil War Well, it wasn't about slavery.
Not initially. But the Civil War changed the a world economy. The Civil War had a major impact on the industrial revolution and I had no clue.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. Um like you ever heard of a guy named George?
>> Ever heard of a guy named George George?
>> No.
>> He's a Frenchman. Tell me about him.
He's he's an economist. Um he writes about the origins of capitalism. It came to be in 1450 in a place called Madiraa, right? where MadiRaa uh was the first place where you had the commoditization of labor, land and money at the same time. And basically what that means is you divorced like money, land and labor from like its traditional cultural like ties. So like when they like these explorers showed up there, they realized that sugar grew really well, but like you know I mean the land was like wide open because you know it was like an island >> Madiraa Spain.
Madiraa. Yeah. Yeah. It was discovered in 1450 was on an right.
>> Oh, where? You'll have to help me. I don't know where.
>> Madira Madiraa Portugal. Madiraa Madiraa Portugal, not Spain.
>> Okay. You and I will disagree on that history then.
>> I mean, okay. Right. But all right. So, Portugal Portuguese uh colonists discovered it, right?
>> And these Portuguese colonists showed up, right? And they stood here and they ended up um they ended up standing here like having the first time where they had land discover this >> uh MadiRaa on the island of Madiraa in 1450.
>> Oh, okay. So, you mean off the coast of Africa?
I >> think it's off the coast of Portugal, but it might be off the coast of Africa.
>> Okay. Well, let me let me help you out with your history. Um, >> go ahead.
essentially Portugal uh creeping.
There's a whole thing and there's a book called Born in Black uh Born in Blackness by Howard French and there one or two other books I can't recall off the top of my head. Portugal basically um kicked off um African slavery.
>> I agree. They crept down the west coast of Africa. And it was so funny because sailing techniques, tacking, the sailing technique, sailing against the wind or oblique to the wind, tacking back and forth across, you know, the wind. Um, Europe would have never been able to discover the new world without um Arabic uh sailing techniques. Arabs invented u >> Yeah, I know. And yeah, it was the Italians who originally brought the English to like North America. I Yeah, I know. Like >> if you if you say so.
>> So, it took it took it took Portugal like 80 years or something to make it to the tip of Africa. Portugal.
>> Yeah.
>> Um there was uh and then the Spanish tacked on uh Madiraa. If there is an island, uh, if it's off the coast of Portugal, it's probably south and closer to Africa. And if you know where Portugal is, it's shoot >> uh, hop skipping a jump across Gibralar to the continent of Africa.
>> Yeah. So, all right. So, anyway, like what happened what happened was is they stood here and they didn't they didn't have any people. There was no one who lived there, right? So they couldn't just like, you know, borrow ser or like get serves from a noble or, you know, I mean, like hire people. So they went to Canary Islands and they just snatched black slaves and brought it over, right?
And then, you know, I mean, they needed money. So they went to Venice, they went to Holland, right? They went to London, >> right? They went they went to other places to be able to go get money for the first time.
>> What's the name of the Can you put >> Can you uh let me know this book?
>> It's George Manat. Mbiat. M O N B I O T.
>> Is he Is he Portuguese?
>> Uh, no. I think he's French.
>> What's the name of the book?
>> I'll put it in the chat.
>> Uh, I think it's uh like the origins of liberalism.
>> Okay.
>> I think it is like >> the origins of liberalism started with slavery.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, all right. Here's the thing. This started off with they ended up Okay, hang on. Wait a minute. Let me finish my [ __ ] All right, so they ended up standing here having these slaves.
They [ __ ] cut down all the trees, right? Because it takes like uh 60 pounds of uh timber to make one pound of sugar, right, to process it out. And so they ended up like running through and they got to the point where it was no longer efficient to be able to get trees. And by this time, you know what I'm saying? The uh [ __ ] Columbus had gone over to the new world and Brazil had open and they sat here. They abandon the top of the top of 1450.
>> 1450.
>> Okay. Columbus >> 149.
>> What are you talking about?
>> Yeah.
I I need Okay. I know you're driving, so I'm not gonna We found the We found the author. George Mandelbot. Mandabbot. Yeah, thank you Readington. No, let me say this before when he gets back um to bring it back to the reset the topic in a sense uh the daycare right aspect. I want to ask Pill Eater. Um do you do you see a does South does South Korea does Korea um handle daycare or look at daycare the same as as they do in the West?
>> No.
>> Do you see? No. How's it different?
>> No. Um I would say that well I mean if your son is only like one and a half or two it goes to you know daycare where in the west you know those are kind of private sectors unless it's >> you know the state pays for it which is kind of getting a >> less and less >> and the uh you know >> listen >> requirements or what's that what's I'm sorry But no, maybe just a long story short, I guess, take your turn.
>> There's more, again, I don't mean to be biased here, but it seems like there's more activity to do in Korea for your children and more of purpose at a very, very young age compared to if you're delayed in kindergarten where you're beginning to speak. like they're you're learning Korean by the time you're like one and a half or two and doing excessive exercises and other things that I feel like in America would we would be lazy and delay it until they're like four or five.
>> I see that in Taiwan too. I see that in Taiwan a lot. There's a lot of activities that that my friends back home they don't when I tell them the stuff that we did with Ben and stuff they're like oh I wish we had that here.
I wish you know type stuff.
>> Yeah. and things. And in America, you would probably have to pay for it like private college, like at state school.
>> And here, it's offered by the government.
>> So again, I guess there's more incentive to have children in Taiwan Taiwan or South Korea if the government is literally paying you to do it, which sounds like 1950s America. And as much as that is shown in our faces, nobody's taking the initiative to do it. I think to rewind 30 minutes ago, it's kind of like how I was saying you can't have our conversations in the belly of the beast, so you have to leave. And I think we're pretty much all in that situation where >> if you're in Taiwan and I'm in Busousan and here we're talking about esoteric topics in English, that shows you something about more of ourselves and our society than us, say, being in the same room in New York City talking about this.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? What do you guys think that that says about us?
Like rather than we're we speak about it here rather than we were if we were in that that room of >> we were in New York together or like we had one city, one commune. We don't even have that. We're not even allowed to have that.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I mean, go back to Neurojack. It's like, well, who's in New York City? Is it the Grahamian daycare people of the trust fund society that has to dictate the a ruling elite and whoever deep state politics just to absurdly use the dog park in lower Manhattan to pay $5,000 a month?
>> It's kind of ridiculous, you know, and for a small space, but I don't know. All that to see a concert. I don't know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, Stanley Stanley like I love their story about when you gave us that that insight about like your avatar about like how what a big moment that was and like in particular like how your son was basically out competing quote unquote Asian-Americans, right? A lot of the Asian-Americans >> No, that that was half a joke.
>> Um >> Okay. Well, you tell it. I like the story.
>> It was it was a you do Y'all probably don't know who John G is.
I think they do some of them.
>> I did.
>> Yeah.
>> It it literally wound up u I tend to be uh to put it bluntly uh a liberalism person, but uh you know more a philosophical sort of you know liberal >> liberalism.
So I don't want to be I don't want to be mean but don't you but couldn't you see how liberalism could lead to slavery?
No, I don't.
Liberalism doesn't lead, it lets you lead.
>> So, and I can go through a whole history. Uh, whoever brought up uh this crackpot uh ambiot. Yeah, I know who he is. I've seen some YouTube videos. Dude, he's not a historian. Um, don't I I could I don't even know why you would ever think there's nothing about historian even in his Wikipedia, which I did look at.
So, um, it was just a pure joke. My son, and I talk about my son too much. Uh, however, >> here >> he he's at he's he's at Georgia Tech and uh the majority population of the student body is Asian.
>> So, >> I made a joke to John G about black people need to stop black people like him need to stop worshiping white people. Like the white the white standard in America is over. The Asians have a higher standard.
>> They do better, you know, they do better on testing.
>> The income per capita is higher, etc., etc. >> So, I just made a joke. I just made a joke. Um, y'all keep telling me about how black people should be more like Asians. Well, my son is. I I raised him to be an Asian standard. He's at an engineering school where Asians are the majority population. They more Asians than white people.
>> Well, let let me ask you a question.
>> My son is there.
>> My son is there. So, he met an Asian.
>> Yeah, it's it was a dumb joke. It was It was racist.
>> Well, let me ask you a question. Is is is uh authority >> is responsibility without authority >> is is is authority without responsibility uh slavery or not?
>> No, it's uh I don't even understand that question. It is so ridiculous.
>> Yeah, you're stuck under slavery.
>> Are parents are kids slaves to their parents? Parents have authority over their kids. Are the kids the slaves of parents? Ridiculous question.
>> Do we wait? No, it's not. Do we undermine literally >> Are you going to let me speak or you just going to talk?
>> Gabriel Gabriel is the host and first time here. So, >> yeah, but you've interrupted people. I want to just get >> I will listen more than talk.
>> Okay, just let me just This point is very important. I'm not trying to be rude at all. I'm really not. I promise.
I >> Take your time, Narrow. Take your time.
Take your time, bro. Like, you got this.
We got We were all >> I'm going to forget. I'm going to forget my point. So yeah. Yeah. I'm not mad.
>> No one's interrupting.
>> Sure. So here's the thing. Are you sure that liberalism as you understand it does not give the illusion of authority along with the responsibility it gives us?
>> I am absolutely sure.
>> And can you demonstrate that uh that sure that how sure you are to me now?
>> Nope.
>> Fair enough.
>> And why not? Now, now let me tell you how liberalism works.
>> So, so what you're saying is an assertion. So, what you're saying is an assertion.
>> When you're done, I'll answer.
>> Yeah. I'm just saying what you're saying is just an assertion then, which is fine. I'm just pointing that out.
>> Well, let me finish my assertion, sir.
>> I am I believe in liberalism so much.
I'm going to let you stew in this weird thing about, you know, is authority uh the people who are under authority slavery. Liberalism allows people to make their own beds. That might be the fundamental um thing about my type of liberalism. As long as as long as you're not making my bed, as long as you're not hurting me, you make your own bed. Think what you want to think. Raise your kids to be to be what you think they need to be. And I'll raise my kid to be the way I think he needs to be. And so far, I'm winning.
>> But but here's what you said. You said you just said that that we were forced via economics into a into a nation.
>> I said nothing about economics.
>> What do you mean?
>> I literally I'm pretty sure you did >> didn't talk about economics.
So, so but didn't you say that what we call a nation and a nation state is different because economics is involved >> did I say that?
>> I don't remember.
>> Uh for economic reasons. Yeah. Okay. So, it's involved.
>> So, sounds good.
>> Would you would you like me to tell you why I think that? It's because um for places like England and the United States and Germany and France um the the the nation the government basically had to get involved with the economics um to make say um one of the reasons the United States uh compromised with the South especially after the compromise of 1850 is cotton was king.
So, you know, for as long as America could there's money coming uh excuse me, big money coming into the country from the south selling cotton.
Um the funny thing about um Sven Becker calls it war capitalism where places like Germany coagulated into um a nation because it was more effective in colonization.
um economics um everyone being on the same page making uh the economics enriching the country enriching the uh the merchants the capitalists basically um capitalism and nation states nationhood hand in hand probably the best in think maybe Holland but uh capitalism and nationhood nation statethood it's hand in hand colonialism um it it was kind of like a a booster rocket you have different stages and what comes out of it is actually where we are now um it's kind of fascinating >> and and I feel like we got upgrade. We got a trade. We got Stanley aka Dominique Wilkins for CM uh Mike Dunlevy.
>> What the >> Oh, no. No, no, no. The >> I give you a cop, bro.
>> The Mike Dunlevy say Terry Teagle.
>> And let me tell you right now, I'm not a historian. I I'm just a reader. So, um, >> you know, if I'm wrong, >> I didn't I didn't mean it super contentious. I just wanted to get the point across because I think that like I mean, personally, I would say that, >> as you said, these things that you characterize as boo booster rockets that led us to here, but like if we're in a good place, then that kind of justifies slavery and all these things, colonialism that came because where we're at would not be possible without them. See what I'm saying? Well, um, that is an argument that I'd have to think through and discuss through. Where we are now is because of slavery.
I know I'm not going to disagree, but boy howdy, that's a whole show in and of itself.
>> Damn. Because if you're if you're going to make that argument, then um who is picking the cotton um for free and why can't they be compensated?
I can explain.
>> Well, they're not alive anymore.
>> How? Well, okay. Well, I think that's a [ __ ] argument. And let me tell you why. If you got a couple minutes, let's just give you slavery because apparently that I didn't own slaves. my family didn't and you're you're not a slave.
That is a weak argument.
Let's talk about once slavery was fought over and then we can go into, you know, the Civil War wasn't specifically about slavery until the end, but that's a different show, too.
Explain Jim Crow after slavery, after the 13th amendment, 14th amendment. Why was there Jim Crow? Jim Crow is where America owes reparations.
I can give you off the top of my head a couple examples of where generational wealth in a black family was lost. Jim Crow is specifically where reparations are in order.
If I if I find out that uh >> Okay. And and your daddy's daddy lived in Jim Crow America.
Have try and slough that off with your [ __ ] Well, my my grandpa didn't live in Jim Crow America. Explain that one.
>> Sure. So, so, so what you're arguing for, I would say, is >> No, no, no, no, no. I'm not arguing. It is literally American history. I don't have to argue it. Sure.
>> Read a book.
>> Well, well, here's what I'm saying is like if I find out that a uh a guy, you know, did a crime to my grandpappy, you know, 100 years ago or something, right?
Do I now have the right to go to his family and demand reparation?
>> Okay. Do you really think I'm that stupid? Jim Crow was a law.
We got to have Wait, >> I forgot about the beer. You want some?
>> How about some ether?
>> What?
>> Never mind.
>> Hunter S. Thompson.
>> That's it. Aka Johnny.
>> When the go gets tough, the weird turn pro.
>> That's right.
>> I I'm woring loathing in Las Vegas.
>> So, he's a Kentucky boy. Here's the deal.
>> Repeat that line. Repeat that line.
Sorry, I didn't I didn't catch it.
>> Go ahead, Stanley.
>> Um, when the going gets tough, the weird turn pro.
>> No, no, no, no. Before the before the drop, before that >> Oh, my bad.
>> Bottom line. Bottom line is your uh greatgrandfather, grandfather.
Um, my parents grew up in Jim Crow, and you sound younger than I am. Jim Crow is where the uh the uh generational wealth was literally stolen.
>> Great.
So So wait, I just want to make sure I understand your argument before you continue. You're saying that the people subject >> just get to the point. You don't have to steal me.
>> Stop interrupting me and I will. Okay.
>> Oh, I interrupt when I get bored. Just make your point.
>> Okay. So, um, your your argument or what you're what you're claiming is that, um, anybody who lives under a government, hold on. Anyone who lives under a government is now responsible for that government. You >> lost me, >> dude. You argue your point correctly.
>> Oh, no, no, no.
>> If you live under a government, I've literally said it was the law, >> right? But >> you're not gonna argue your own point correctly. Come on now. You're gonna love that. Jack >> Oh, wait. You brought up Dennis.
>> Stanley is going to tell you how you're going to argue your point. He'll tell you what your point is, Jack. Go ahead.
Listen.
>> Hey, why don't you why don't you help the Why don't you help your buddy out?
>> Who?
>> All right. Chill out. I'm trying to help. You want to interrupt me, X? How How about you uh help your neurojack out?
>> I listen, I didn't mean to I didn't mean to be rude, Stanley, but as you're proving right now, >> the only way to be on a panel with you and actually talk is to interrupt me because you are largely >> a sponge.
>> All I need to do is ring I need to ring the thoughts out of you.
do not that's not going to happen. I'm going to do whatever I want to do. You're not the boss of me. This is Gab's panel. I'll follow his instruction and and and honestly I I wouldn't I've already learned better than to share my thoughts with you, Stanley.
Let your little friend let your little friend finish his little saliloquy and then I'm going to come back to you.
>> Can you let him finish? Let's see if you can let him finish without interrupting and him telling him what his point is while he's talking.
>> No, no, no. You don't get to tell me what to do. You said you're going to do what I asked. It was a form of a question. Do you know what an interrogative is? It's when you put that little curly thing at the end and then you change the tone of your voice. You like raise it at the end to imply that it's a question as if to say, Stanley, can you let him finish? Can you let him make his point? Yeah, I'm I'm I agree with you. It's up in the air. There's no telling you. Stop talking and let him finish.
>> We got about 10 minutes.
I had a date with uh my beautiful other half.
>> Go ahead. Nurero, you're you're landing your plane. I got up to go to the bathroom. Sorry, guys.
Nurero, Jack, Stanley, Dennis, Pill Eater.
>> Well, I said what I said.
>> I think Nurero tapped out. All I need All I need folks to do is explain Jim Crow.
>> What's up, Willa?
>> That's where the damage was done.
>> Oh, wow. He left.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> There's machine still here.
>> The machine's still here. Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. I'm here.
>> Yeah.
>> No, I I promise Gabriel I will never do this again.
>> What do you mean? I hope you come back.
You just won't go uh you mean your this style. What >> you will never do.
>> You know your [ __ ] You either know your [ __ ] or you don't.
>> Yeah.
I I think you have a capital even though you're new here. I don't know. Maybe it's what I listen to you a lot lately.
I'm like I just let Stanley speak. Even though normally I would say respectfully maybe you could say so with a little bit more of grace or whatever in terms of like when when you're bored but hey man I'm not do what you do because you you know you impressive I hear other people talk and I'm like I I can sense when they don't know they're a little nervous in their argument know anymore. But >> we can hear you, Bill.
>> Maybe if Machine's hearing, just to digress, um I was uh before I have to go, I was going to ask Machine if he was uh aware of Jeff Mills.
>> I'm not.
>> Yeah.
>> Who was that? Pill Heater. He said he's not. I If you heard him, can you expand on it? Uh let let us know a little bit know a little bit about him. Jess Mills it.
>> Yeah.
Well, we gone doing we're doing tap out tag team. Nero's back. Hey Dennis, I love how you were you were compelled.
What what what uh what was the catalyst to get you on here on here? I wish you would have came earlier. Um, >> just unfortunately I was wasting my time on another panel that wasn't interested in having a conversation and by the time I closed that out I saw you were live.
>> Um, yeah, I wish you had hit me up because >> from the beginning.
>> Yeah, cuz I definitely would have picked this spot over that in a heartbeat.
>> Um, yeah. And I just came up because you know like these are some of my favorite panelists up here. Um, >> this is what I come to YouTube for. You know, the kind of conversations that that you and I have, that TML has, and that Neurojack, I I appreciate his thoughts as well. I always have.
Um, and uh and and I heard Stanley Cooking about reparations.
I actually probably agree with him on reparations, so I thought it would be an interesting dynamic. Well, you actually missed my point about reparations.
>> I I did, sir. I didn't hear it. You're correct.
>> I agree with them on reparations, too.
Uh if somebody did something wrong to somebody any time in the past, I can go and assault and do whatever I want to their family members with the government to >> Well, let me help you. Let me help you out. I'm not um hardcoded for reparations.
Um, I think the harm is done.
>> Yeah, I was going to say I might not agree with the >> You're trying to You're trying to justify it. So, obviously, >> and that's what I might not agree with is the justification.
>> See, this is what this little child doesn't understand.
>> Well, sometimes the justification doesn't necessarily require u reparation.
Reparations are reparations are literally owed. But what if I just go, hey, you know what? It's okay. How can you owe reparations to where I'm at? I know you're waiting.
>> I'm surprised how similar Stanley and I are on this. How can you How can you owe reparations >> for the actions of a government, >> number one, and number two, to somebody that doesn't exist anymore? How is that possible? explain that.
>> Okay. What I need you to Are you talking slavery or Jim Crow, sir?
>> Whatever you're talking about.
>> Okay. That's okay. I'm not going to I I'm not going to bite on that stupid [ __ ] Whatever. I >> I mean, you're clear you're clearly You have no clue what I'm talking about.
Really?
Well, you're saying that somebody somebody that was related to people that lived under a government 200 years ago owes reparations for what happened 200 years ago.
>> Say again.
>> My look, uh, Dennis, I'm glad we agree on that one point. How do you feel?
>> So, you're going to run away from the You're going to run away. I >> I literally want to come back to you.
>> Man is going to run away. Dennis and I have known each other for a running away. I run away. Run away. Run away.
Run away. Dude, I'm not running away.
>> A grown ass man running away from the topic. You are because you're not sticking to the topic.
>> You made the claim and you don't want to stick to it.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Because you don't believe in it. You just want to spout whatever nonsense.
>> I can't believe I'm going to stand up for Stanley here.
>> I You didn't even understand. You >> Jack Stanley does not run away. He the reason why he disengaged with you is because he was asking you what you were referring to whether you wanted to talk specifically about slavery or Jim Crow.
>> All right. Well then well then Dennis respectfully please just stay out of the conversation. Let him let him defend himself because I want to hear of how I want to hear his argument. Let me let me alive today actions of a government. you will recall before you got all hot and bothered was >> why why are you doing a diet tribe rather than >> God I was making a joke son I'm making a joke trying to lighten this trying to lighten the mood a bit May I lighten the mood a bit may I light >> you don't actually care about the things you talk about it's just fun right >> I actually care deeply about the things I talk out.
>> So, >> well, prove it by sticking to the subject matter rather than making a joke.
>> What's the subject matter? Remind me.
>> Do you know what the subject matter is?
>> Yeah. You said that somebody who lived under government, you know, a long time ago, who are who none of which are alive today are responsible for the actions of that government.
Now, did I basically just say slavery, let's just take it on a chimp. Did I not make that kind of move? It's a chess move.
>> Okay, so here's where I'm going to go. I I I literally said Jim Crow was the biggest problem because it robbed blacks, black folk, black Americans of generational wealth and political power.
By the way, post uh 1877 compromise of uh >> right I understand that part. What I don't understand is howbody alive today.
All you need to do, all you need to do is go skip ahead. I understand.
>> So, Jim Crow lasted until which year, sir?
>> More facts. Crow. You need to justify your premise. You need to justify your premise.
>> Jim, justify your premise. You don't need more facts.
>> When did Jim Crow end?
>> It's irrelevant because the people are alive today or not.
>> Yes, they're alive today. You're getting close to my point. When did Jim Crow end though, sir?
>> It's irrelevant.
>> Any idea?
>> It's irrelevant because >> Listen, listen, Jack. You can't say it's irrelevant and then at the same time, >> it's You can't say it's irrelevant and at the same time say that those people aren't alive today.
>> You're making it relevant with your own argument.
>> Well, the problem I just need I just need you Google it. I'll give you time to Google it. Why are you playing a a semantics game rather than >> Because I know I know I'm going to destroy >> I think I just pointed it out, Jack.
Like you're saying your argument is that the people aren't alive today edge me.
Why don't you just Why don't you just destroy me rather than edge me on? Let's go.
>> Okay. I want to do m I want to get maximum pleasure. You remember that Montasauri? That Montasauri thing children should I want maximum happiness.
>> We are better than you [ __ ] Be sadistic. Maybe that's part of the problem.
>> Okay. Well, if you don't want to play, that's fine. 1964 technically.
Um, and and you go, it might be rhetorical, but I kind of agree with the point. My father lived deep in South Georgia in Jim Crow. There is wealth that is very measurable. Go back, look up Bruce's Beach, Manhattan Beach, California.
Um, resort property blackowned, taken away by imminent domain.
>> Um, they just wait. No, no, no, no. I need to finish the story. I need to finish this story, please. I need your father money. Who owes your father money? Who owes your father money? Who owes your father?
>> Literally, this was like >> I can't hear the host.
1920 something this property was taken away.
>> Who owes your father money?
>> Oh dude, I literally cannot finish my story because this child knows I'm going to win.
>> Hey Nero Jack, I got a couple minutes and Stanley. Oh, actually we're on Ascended Time soccer style. So like Stanley, can you finish your story?
You can say >> I will finish it. The the ultimate the ultimate the basically the end of this Bruce's beach story few years ago California paid the Bruce family $20 million be to in reparations but my point where they paid the family $20 million and rented the property back so there's income. My point is it was taken in 1920 something. Who knows how many millions of dollars of generational wealth between 1920 and let's just say it was 2020 might have been a little later than that. How much generational wealth was lost in those years? That is Jim Crow.
That's why there's reparations owed.
Okay. Okay. My question is very simple.
Who alive today should pay for those things that happened?
>> [ __ ] I'm alive. I was born in 1965. My father, Jim Crow South Georgia.
There are plenty of people alive who happen to be black and white, by the way, who lived during the Jim Crow era.
>> Thank you.
>> So, who should pay for the reparations?
the American government.
So they have to get that money from >> listen to what did you not what I gonna let me speak because you're an idiot and you don't listen you don't listen >> how are they going to get the money to pay that >> Dennis I literally said to you sir that you know we might just have to take it on the chin and do the best we can. Now there there here and there things that might kind of but you're not there's not enough money that the US could generate to pay reparations that way even in a Jim Crow um even in the Jim Crow era.
All right, with that said, I appreciate y'all for coming out tonight.
We can uh >> You got to go to work, huh?
>> No. Oh, the real work. Uh a life of a husband. I'm off today, actually. Um my don't >> Oh, man. You can't extend it a little bit.
>> Cause family problems.
>> I already told I was going to be >> All right.
>> We can't do it.
>> Can I appreciate I appreciate the conversation, though. I do. And hopefully no hard feelings from uh from from me to you. So I appreciate it.
>> Can I respond to Wasima too or whatever?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yes. I'm full of condescension. I I am I am way full of condescension for people I don't think that are up to the task.
>> So don't debate me if you're not up to the task.
>> Sir, thanks for noticing.
Uh, my answer was going to be all of us.
Like we all pay just like we have before >> with the Native Americans and the Japanese. And >> dude, wait. Hold it. Hold it. That's absolutely right, dude.
Dude, I don't even think American slavery was as bad as Caribbean slavery.
Holy cow.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. Some of that stuff. And it only helps all of us.
>> Like, >> sorry, go ahead.
>> Not to say some of the stuff that Howard Zinn wrote wrote about in people's history about when Columbus and them were going on those islands, that [ __ ] was diabolical, too, you know? So, yeah, there's a lot of a lot of crazy stuff.
>> I'm just glad that Dennis and I look, I I think we probably do sometimes agree on some things. family. I thought that we would agree on reparations but not on how to get there. And we even agree on how to get there. That's what surprised me.
>> Hey, Nero, thanks for coming by. Bro, I'm glad you guys got a I mean, you saw you and Dennis. Wow, that was that was a shock, but not a shock. And shout out to Ben for getting the silver medal yesterday. Let's see.
>> Oh [ __ ] >> Oh my lord. Oh, >> holy [ __ ] Bro, >> in the judo, a lot of kids.
>> How many people?
>> Uh, I think there was like uh maybe like at least 50 or something.
>> Wow, bro.
>> He did good.
>> He's eight. Yeah, he's in second grade.
It's kind of cool. It was It was literally he represented his school. He didn't have to go to school yesterday.
Instead of having like a basketball team or a swim team, his school does they have judo team, >> public school.
>> Dude, let me say something, [ __ ] You better enjoy. This is the best time. No, seriously.
>> It's good stuff.
>> The best time of year.
>> Second place out of 50.
>> Yes, sir. Yeah.
>> God damn.
>> Olympics.
>> Yeah. He does almost as good as his triathlon. Like he did he did last year.
>> He did.
>> He got second out of 120 in his agency.
>> So yeah, he's good.
Someone you have got to see him.
>> You told me about that guy. I need to see it start pong.
>> Sweep the leg, man. Sweep the leg.
>> God.
>> Yeah, that's what it was. The judo. You got it. That's why he he would have got first if he would have [ __ ] like been mindful of that. The other guy got him on that.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow, dude.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh my lord.
>> Yeah. Yeah. By the way, Neurog, I appreciate you coming by, bro. Yeah.
Yeah, man. This is it's a it's a good life, man. And uh and this is like Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I'll be I'll be totally transparent. Of course, the number one priority is to talk to my friends, but then I But it is Hopefully someday he will listen to this.
>> No, no, no, >> no. Listen, listen.
>> I want to listen to this stuff.
>> You say no.
>> You don't want you wouldn't want your son to hear you.
>> We We No, no, no, no. I thought you meant you your priority is talk to his friends.
>> No, no, no. I'm talking about your no. I was saying no. I'm talking about terms of his channel. Like I always said like it was for him if he wants to look when as a journal when he gets older. He say the conversations.
>> But um >> no, he's the top priority. He's the pro p prototype for sure. But uh but I'm saying like >> you you'll get your time.
>> Yeah, exactly. We'll get our I'll get our my time. Um, but yeah, man. So, shout out to Ben and them. I appreciate you guys, man. This is I think we're we're in a good direction and this channel.
>> I am so glad I came up. Dennis, >> you me too.
>> Much respect.
>> Yeah. All y'all, man. Dennis, Machine, Pill Eater, NeuroJack. And by the way, everyone's channel.
>> Oh, I got you in one second, Dennis. So like our new channel mantra mantra 93 with myself and shadowbuda we'll be having our first episode on mindfulness in the body and we're going to do our presentation it's going to be fire and then we'll have you know discussion about the topic over here on that channel at mantra 93 and Dennis uh yeah man quality people brings quality topics and you're definitely an example of that appreciate you >> thank you sir I appreciate it coming from you it means something and uh and hopefully Stanley, we can run into each other again sometime soon and have a conversation. It's been a while.
>> Absolutely. Well, [ __ ] I got a channel.
You got a channel. Um >> if you uh my streaming rig >> I've still subscribed to your channel.
>> Yeah, >> my my streaming rig is in pieces. If you want to go live right now, I'd love the opportunity to hop over. No way.
>> Maybe TML can join us even.
>> He said no way.
>> 12 o'clock. You know what? If you want, I can do it.
>> Oh [ __ ] There you go.
>> And hell, I got some beer as you can tell. Um, what the [ __ ] No, Dennis. Um, let's just let's chill.
>> I'd love to, but not if you're not in the mood. If you want to wait till some other time. I know. Look, I I literally uh have no mission >> on it'll work me.
>> Hey Des, >> but because I am old, but no dude, I haven't talked to you substantively for quite some time.
>> Yeah, >> it's been a minute.
>> I might I might have to listen when I go to this. Give me one sec.
>> Yeah. Get us before we leave. That way we can direct people over.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Create a popup and then I'll have to just give me two sec here.
>> Yeah. Drop the link in the back.
Stanley, >> I will. Matter of fact, I'll make you a mod. You can do it yourself.
Uh or I'll do it or whatever. That's kind of rude to ask my guest to do that, but here. Uh, let me just do this. Let me create cuz it's the only way I know how to do it. So, I create the uh Streamyard.
Go back and I will put the YouTube thing and then uh make it look nice afterwards.
See, Densson, you were nice about asking to extend the show, not like Hurricane Per was just like chastising me the show yesterday.
>> Well, there's certain hard cut offs, right? Like >> and and date night is, you know, that's >> absolutely >> that's that's up there.
>> Especially when she was gone. Remember I told you it was a bachelor's weekend, >> right?
>> So, yeah. Yeah. So, you got to get this.
>> You know, at one of these days, you have to tell me about living over in uh you're in uh South Korea, right?
>> Uh Taiwan. Pill eaters in South Korea.
I'm in >> Yeah. I'm sorry.
>> I'm in Taiwan.
>> Taiwan.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I would love to have a conversation on that.
>> You should do that. We can do it on your show. We can simoc cast.
>> I would love to know because I You are You are the new Anthony Bourdain.
>> Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's a that's a big uh that's a big I think I think my wife and I combined are because she's the literally that's her profession, the chef, and I'm the Hunter S. Thompson, the writer.
>> Wow.
>> That's Bane, right? Hunter S. Thompson meets uh Julia Child.
>> So funny.
>> This is so funny. You mentioned Hunter S. Thompson. Dude, I I've been reading Hunter S. Thompson since I was in high school.
>> So high school.
>> I've read his novel.
I'm looking at his first one right here.
The Rum Diary when he was the >> the Rum Diaries >> correspondent from Louisville, Kentucky. Yep.
>> That's it. Louisville, Kentucky. Triple Scorpio. I got I got then I got the Hell's Angels.
>> Yeah, you got it. You know what's up. I love Hunter S. Thompson, bro. Especially Johnny Dev Depp's portrayal. B Bill Murray was okay.
>> You know what? I I >> but uh >> this was I literally have a copy of the curse of is it the curse of >> it's the one it's the one it's the art book Ralph Steedman it's half art it's half writing >> yeah I am I'm kind of older now so I'm not quite you know that much into it. Ralph Steedman, by the way, um there's something um something I read. He's got some art or something that's uh in the news lately. I'd have to look it up.
>> Okay.
>> Damn. Y'all are y'all are y'all know who Hunter S. Thompson is.
>> Stanley. Of course, Stanley, you you you must love then like a fear and loathing on the campaign trail. 1972 Democratic.
I've read the book.
>> Yep. Yeah. I had to I had to really search for that one. That one was harder to find, >> but I I have the paperback of that one.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. I love that, man. That >> I remember what was the one the Nixon campaign.
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Dude, I bought that at a Walden bookstore in Savannah, Georgia at the Ogal Thorp Mall. I I can literally remember buying the book. Oh, >> now if you want to get a supplement, Stanley, you got to get Where the Buffalo uh I mean uh Revolution of the Coughro People. It's it's uh Oscar Zeta Costa.
>> He was the Dr. Gonzo, the Mexican attorney. He wrote two books before he before he went missing.
>> They're really good, too.
>> Really good.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Yeah, because he was Caesar Chavez's uh lawyer.
Uh, I know Caesar Chavez is in the news lately, but on some bad stuff, but like he um he was out of the Bay Area and he has a lot of uh interesting adventures and stories as a lawyer in the Bay Area in the 70s. So, yeah.
>> Oh, I I remember.
>> Yeah. Uh so, uh you have the link, Stanley?
>> Uh put it in the back. Uh that is the uh >> Okay, got it.
>> Link. Um >> I'll put it in my chat. I'll be on in like five or 10 minutes. Dennison, please please come over. Let's chat.
Won't be a long stream, but [ __ ] who knows? Um, I have no agenda.
>> Hit that up. And uh, everyone on this panel, there you're in my intro outro, just so you know. I don't know if you seen it, my new one I made. Um, I I pay homage to y'all because it's uh I get to take the village to make this channel at the moment. So, I want to give you guys I want to give you guys your due, right?
So, I appreciate you. Machine lines, do you have do you have a a stream coming up um to Friday or Thursday?
>> Um um no, Tuesday, Wednesday, we'll be going over >> um you know, tons of topics. Um I mean know the thoughts of Henrik Scholowski, right? The Polish philosopher, right? Um you know, we'll be looking at um um I mean Nick Boowm, his history of transhumanism, right? the ideas of Renee Gonan, the crisis of the modern world and then we'll go to um you know Mumford and Aul right which we've been going over uh several works by Mumford and Aul that touch on u um you know the modern um you know technological system so that's all the um discussing so come check it out if you guys get a chance blessings >> thank you machine and uh my wife and I are going to go take these buggers to the park right now. And in the meantime, in between time, uh, appreciate y'all.
That's left to right. That's Trinity, 10 years old. Junior, uh, 5 years old, and Dream, the newest member.
>> Oh, Brindle. Nice.
>> Yeah. All rescue is these guys.
>> Oh, that's the only way to do it. Salute to you, sir.
>> Yeah, absolutely, man. Yeah. I think my wife rescued me. I appreciate you guys.
I love you and I'll see you later.
Peace. Uh this has been uh daycare the live stream parallel. Shout out to you, Ben. I love you, bro.
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