In Islamic theology, the concept of 'analogical predication' allows for the application of Allah's names (such as 'the truth') to creation, but with the understanding that the underlying reality differs from how Allah possesses those names. This means that while Allah is 'the truth' in an absolute, uncreated sense, Muhammad can be called 'the truth' in a relative, created sense. This theological framework distinguishes between Allah's exclusive attributes (which cannot be applied to creation) and attributes that can be applied analogically, maintaining Allah's uniqueness while allowing for prophetic authority.
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I am the way, the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the father except for me.
>> I will not enable your silly old faith.
You lie on my god then I'm flipping some tables. Bible makes no difference. I beg you, bro. I don't hate trying to give you a breakthrough cuz it one way.
Apologetics.
One way. One way. Apologetics. God bless. There's one way. Jesus is God.
One way. One way. Hey. Apologetics. I see. Jesus is God. You can try to keep my mind if you think that's all right.
Don't manifest me, buddy. If you still be calm today, I'm going to teach you.
For real of his time, keep it here and I'll make you a copy. H don't be should be shocked here. Who's the one true God?
Yours cannot compare. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and why I have no fear. I step up and see if all the energy remains from your days to the mental gym and never see no gain. I'm yet to see the evidence to represent your claims.
Now I'm trying to think everything you ever said is strange. The scripture that I'm reading don't need anyone to change.
Anything they say you don't need to run away. Know that I'm going hold you to whatever you might say. And God is great. I'm ready for you any time of day.
>> I will not ename your silly old face.
You lie on my God. Then I'm flipping some tables. Bible makes no difference.
I beg you, bro. I don't trying to give you a break through cuz it's one way.
Hey, apologies.
God bless us. There's one way. Jesus is God. One way. One way. Hey. Apologies.
God. Not afraid. I'm a man of respect. I love the Lord in his hand. I project.
That's why your ignorance had no effect.
And why you ain't sicking your fangs in my neck. You flavors have wisdom but you lack the innocence. It's love and blissful when you have to live in it.
Y'all go against the if you ain't feeling it. Make up SOMETHING INTO IT.
WE NOT THE SAME. HIS WORD IS THE PROOF.
THE fact that you lacking. I'm working the boot. You panic attacking. I'm slapping with truth. And that's why you have to be young like you. But we don't have children to marry for one. And we don't have orders to hurt anyone. I know your demons are hurt cuz we won. But you can be free if you turn to God.
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All right, y'all. All right, y'all. You know the Imam was going to have to bring you this review that Hey, did y'all think the same thing I thought? I bet y'all thought the same thing I thought when I saw this video pop up.
Here we go. Here we go. Avery trying to be like Lady Logic. I see I see Lady Logic is out there doing four on fours, 12v1s.
So what does Avery try to do? Avery tries to do a three verse one.
He getting up there. He getting up there.
Now we know that Lady Logic done smashed her 12v1.
She destroyed those Muslims. something awful in that 12v1.
So, can Avery, aka God logic, can he defeat three lowly old Muslims?
Let's see if Avery can be at least a third of Christina's level. Let let's see if he can do that, right? What do you Hey, I need ones in the chat for Team Logic. Twos's in the in the chat for Team Lady Logic.
Ones in the chat for Team Logic. Twos's in the chat for Team Lady Logic. Where we at, y'all? Where we at, y'all?
Who we supporting today, y'all? Who we supporting today?
That beast is like, "Keep me out of it.
Keep me out of it."
That's right. We see ones and we see twos.
1 plus two equals three. There we go.
Hey, Sandra. Come on now. You're going to get me laughing up here.
Treeuine.
Sandra says, "Tree.
You related to Junior?
Are you related to Junior? I'm just asking. All right. So, I'm team logic, which is Lady Logic and God Logic. So, I I'm on both teams.
So, let's see if God logic can do to these three Muslims.
What Lady Logic did to the 12 Muslims.
Let's just see. But before we get into that, y'all, I just wanna I just want to do a little bit of flexing here. I just wanna show how loyal I am to my brother in Christ. Look at this. We We going back We going back four months ago, y'all.
You notice these red bars all the way across the bottom of these videos?
That means I was watching them all.
see all of them last four months.
I may have missed like three.
Oh, four or five maybe.
I may have missed four or five videos in the last four months, y'all. And I'm at work.
And I'm at work.
So, I'm going just let y'all know, it don't matter if you're at work, where you are, you can turn it down a little bit. You always can show some support, show that viewership, and hit that like button.
Just like that.
All right. Notice uh we gonna have to back this up a little bit here. Wait, let me fast forward it because we don't we don't want to we don't want to give away some of the some of what's going on here. So, let me break this down a little bit for you. So, what we have here is every now and then God Logic likes to go into Muslim Tik Tok lives.
Um, and he likes to have discussions.
Well, this particular Muslim had on this topic saying that Muhammad is the way, the truth, the life.
Savory was like, "All right, let's let's challenge that then. Let's challenge that." And this is what we get.
You're here making the claim here that Muhammad is the way, the truth.
>> Oh yeah, I'll pause it. I'll pause this for my brother. I'll pause it. I'll pause my video any day for my brother.
Hey, shalom, brother. God bless. I hope that you and the family are doing well.
May Yeshua, our King, bless you and your family mightily. God bless you, my brother. Good seeing you. Good seeing you, my brother. Here we have God logic verse three Muslims. Let's get it >> in the life. You obviously stole that from Jesus. And we have an explicit verse that says that about Jesus. And you're trying to take that and apply that to Muhammad. So what you would need to do in order to back up your claim that Muhammad is the way, the truth, and the life, which obviously actually Islamically is blasphemous to say is that you would have to show the verses that you know uh demonstrate this sherk.
You have to show a verse that says Muhammad is the way. You have to show a verse that says Muhammad is the truth.
Allah, which is one of the names of Allah, by the way. I can't believe you're doing this. And that he's the life, right? So, that's what you have to demonstrate. Not that, oh, somebody said that he's basically a walking Quran or that he abides by Allah's uh words and gives his teachings exactly how it is or never speaks of his own desire. That's not answering the question. Where does your Quran say or identify Muhammad as the way, the truth, the life? Either you I don't even need all of them. Give me >> you done. Are you done? Are you done?
But now you're shotgun. Give me spoke.
You're going to let me respond.
>> I'm not shotguning anything. I'm literally 5 seconds. You asked two different questions. 5 seconds. Right. First you made a claim you shot.
>> Show anywhere where it says >> actually. You know, I'm not stealing anything from Jesus.
>> Hey. Hey. I got I got to give this host credit.
>> He did almost let Avery finish. He did.
He almost let him finish. It It was close. He was about 5 10 seconds off and he jumped in there. would it wouldn't let but hey he he did get a little bit out now I can't see where he was shotgunning but apparently saying a few things that shotgun okay all right so now we going to get the response to why Muhammad is the way the truth and the life >> and now they're meeting >> this is a Muslim is a Muslim prophet wait dude You you >> Oh, wait. Avery just said they muted him.
So, we are right now 1 minute and 30 seconds into the video.
And I probably only watched actually about 30 seconds, maybe 20 seconds of the actual discussion.
And so far, Avery's been muted one time.
So, let's do a run in total, y'all. I need somebody to keep track in the chat.
How many times does logic get muted in this discussion? Let's get it.
>> That's the question. I'm going to answer. Jesus is a Muslim prophets, right? And I'm not stealing anything from him, right? And the Torah in J originally were Muslim books, right? So if I see something that you're calling the Torah and I see something in it that is a verse, right? And you're saying that this verse claims divinity, I'm going to refute it. If you say that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, this is a claim of divinity, I'm going to refute it, right? This is basically the point of the lie. And you basically refuted yourself, right? You said it says that Muhammad does not speak of his own whims. Yes, of course.
This is an argument of being the truth, right? And it's also an argument of being the walking Quran as follows, right? I already demonstrated, right, why he's the way, the truth, and the life. Innocence that he does not say anything except that he hears this from God and whatever he says is going to be the truth, right? Regardless, right? And also I showed you right where the salaf right we don't just understand the Quran with our own understanding I gave you the verse it's right if you read if you read a couple verses down it says and he's a man of upstanding character if you read the verse there is a hadith for my mother where she says have you not read the Quran when she was asked about Muhammad and now he is so this basically the argument if you if you're looking for verbatim this is going to be a verbatim fallacy and you don't have an argument so can you like answer the actual question that I was meant to ask you is >> all right. So, we didn't really get anything there but a yapfest.
Uh, there's no verbatim fallacy or anything else like that, but here's a question that Avery was supposed to answer. What's that question, Mr. Muslim?
>> God knowing.
>> Yeah.
>> Let me back this up again so we we can get the whole the whole question.
verbatim fallacy and you don't have an argument. So can you like answer the actual question that I was meant to ask you? Is God all knowing?
>> Yeah, >> God is all knowing. Thank you. So now Oh man. Oh god, man. This gonna make me laugh, man. This is going to be good.
You notice right there, the Muslim tried to shuffle to Jesus being all knowing.
Is Jesus all knowing? Is he's trying to get out of logic? So, he's trying to bring it over to the Christian side. The Does he know who he's dealing with, y'all?
Does he know who he's dealing with?
You don't try to do that. No. No. Hey, Logic. You You let him know who he's dealing with.
>> Let me respond. Let me finish my response.
>> This is the Let me finish my response.
>> I appreciate it. Thank you. So, you you want to you want to run away from your own topic so bad. Like, I came up here addressing topic and you're changing your topic. I don't care if you >> Okay, cool. All right. So, here's here's the response to the the non-answer that you gave. Uh, so telling me that Muhammad is of excellent character, which obviously I would disagree with, but this is your paradigm.
>> Saying that Muhammad is a is of is an excellent character. It's okay, guys.
You guys don't don't guys don't panic.
Don't panic. Good lord.
>> Thank you, >> dude. Stop crying, bro. Go ahead.
>> Stop panicking. Hey, stop panicking.
>> Go ahead and respond, dude. He's interrupting you and I'm telling you I'm telling you to stop. So, let me go.
>> Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> All right. Appreciate it. So you telling me that Muhammad is of excellent character doesn't touch your prompt.
Your prompt says Muhammad is the way. He is the truth. He is the life. Nowhere in your Quran does it say this. Nowhere in your hadith does it say this. You got a thousand. You got thousands of them. You can use your whole hadith corpus. You can use your entire 114 chapters of your Quran. You won't be able to find me one statement from your books that says Muhammad is the way, the truth, or the life. Now, what you do have is that you have chapter 22:6. It says verbatim that Allah, he is al-hawk, the truth. This is one of his 99 names. But you're applying one of Allah's 99 names to a creature.
And you want us to believe that you're monotheistic. Let me know what you're doing.
>> You're put I I'll let you know. I'll let you know. So right here, what you're doing, what you're showing us is that as Muslims, you guys elevate Muhammad to the status of Allah, acknowledging him as the names that Allah bears himself.
>> Wait, let yo, are you done?
>> I'm done.
>> Okay.
>> Bam. Hey y'all. Hey. Hey. W's in the chat right there. Uh, he kind of let Logic speak. He did actually mute uh the Muslim that was trying to speak over him. Uh, but Avery's right. If you're applying the name the truth to Muhammad, that is sherk. Plain and simple. Mic drop. Oh, like no explanation needed right there. That that that's Avery in a nutshell, right? Like we we don't talk about those red herrings that they wanted to bring up about the Bible.
Let's let's deal about Muhammad and why you're saying he is the truth. Why is that?
>> So now your arguments Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. is argument guys argument is that one of the names of Allah is al right and we cannot call anything anything else other than Allah al that's false the Quran is called alak if you go to if you go to the Quran you read it it's called al the Quran is called the truth this guy is obviously not read the Quran so he doesn't know if the Quran is called the truth if the Quran is called alak and the messenger sallallahu alaihi wasallam is the walking Quran then there is no problem calling the messenger the truth Right. So since I already responded, you don't have arguments. Can you answer the question, is God unknowing?
>> No, no, no. I want to answer this question.
>> I already answered that.
>> Okay. If Jesus is Jesus, >> destroy you on this. I'm about to absolutely I'm about to show you. Notice this. Can I respond to you? Can I respond? I'm >> not responding like so I don't look Look at these. Look at these cowards muting me. Oh, tallied up. That's the second mute there. Muted them again.
and all he's trying to do is respond and they won't shut up. Again, this is the difference between a Christian live and a Muslim live.
Muslims are always like, "Come to our lives. We're always spare. We don't mute. We don't do this."
>> They're running away from their subject.
No. Look at them.
>> Let them respond to what I said. The Quran is what? Come on, guys. You guys have the truth, right? Don't be afraid of what I got to say. The Quran is called alk. Go ahead.
>> Got it. Thank you. I appreciate it. Now, really quick, host, is the Quran an attribute of Allah?
>> Yeah. So, Allah has an attribute of speech, right? But obviously, the Quran is spoken by Allah.
>> Exactly. So, the Quran is an attribute of Allah's speech, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Very good. The attributes.
Yeah. So, let me respond. Are you going to let me finish?
>> I just You already answered You already answered the question.
>> You asked me a question. I'm going respond, right? So you're not gonna if you're not going to let me like go ahead I'm listen if you're not gonna let me actually answer right.
>> Hey we hearing you. Hey we hearing you Farooq.
>> Go ahead man. Floor is yours. Explain >> just one straight up. Yeah. So just calm yourself right. Just calm yourself.
>> I think you need to calm yourself. Like your your words you're not calm because you're betraying you. I'm trying to let you speak. Right.
>> Avery. Would you stop smiling so much?
You need to calm down, man. Seriously, Avery, stop your smiling.
You need to calm down. I'm with Farooq on this one. Hey, Farooq, I'm with you on this one. Avery needs to stop He needs to stop smiling.
He need He needs to He needs to settle down a little bit. I I see where you're going with this, Baroo. I see I see where it's going. But you're you're you're not letting me you're not letting me see. I'm literally saying go ahead.
When he interrupts you, I'm telling him to not interrupt.
>> Look at what you're hanging on to. Go ahead and answer.
>> Dude, calm down, dude. Calm down. Calm down.
>> And they mute him again.
>> Go ahead and answer.
>> Dude, I'm going to answer. Are you going to let me answer, >> right? So, I even just like lost my train of thought, right? But I'm pretty sure I already answered, right?
>> Yeah, you did. You did.
>> Okay. Okay. So, you asked again. So, you asked again. You said I didn't ask attribute of Allah because the Quran attribute of Allah this dude track >> okay be quiet but let me speak dude if you don't let me speak I'm going to drop you I don't want to drop you excuse I don't you want me to drop you because you're going to absolutely get buried go you go ahead and talk everybody >> I'm going to talk I'm going to talk let me speak right so Allah has an attribute of speech right where he has the ability to speak however he speaks right and these words that he's speaking are going to be his words but they're not going to be an attribute of him right but the ability the attributes of speech is distinct from the Quran itself right and the Quran itself can be called the truth I already showed you that Allah himself calls the Quran the truth right if the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam is the walking Quran then it's also going to be truth so what's your argument man you have an argument or he's going to y >> I appreciate it so dude I I just asked a simple question I didn't need you to monologue just if you could if you can answer this simple question it'll >> and that's what Muslim Muslims do. You asked them a yes or no question and you get four minutes of nothing.
Yes, we heard you the first time you said that the Quran is identified as Alhawk and Muhammad is the walking Quran. So therefore you can call him Al.
Okay, I understand that.
But you didn't answer.
Help me make my argument. Okay. So, I'm not asking you this question to give the turnover for you to speak. I'm asking it to build an argument. So, I just need a yes or no. Just clear. Is the Quran part of the speech of Allah? Yes or no?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that. Appreciate it. Keeping it simple. So, yes, the Quran is part of the speech of Allah. Is Allah's speech created or uncreated?
>> Uncreated.
>> Awesome. Is Allah's speech one of his attributes that you cannot separate from Allah?
Yeah, it's going to be an attribute of >> very good. So the Quran is an attribute of Allah. It's his speech. It's part of his speech which is an uncreated eternal inseparable attribute of Allah. That's why it's appropriate that you can appeal to Hold on. Let me finish. Brother conflating, >> brother. Let me finish.
>> Yeah, it doesn't follow.
>> Notice they mute me now. They muted him again.
Muted him again.
Keep that counter rolling, y'all. Oh, my turn to speak. Notice you muted me.
>> Wait, wait. You gave an argument response.
>> I didn't even finish my argument.
>> No, no, no. So, we're not going to move on.
>> Let me land my points. Let me land my point. No, no, no. You obvious >> muting them again.
Add it to the total.
>> Everybody sees it and y'all shake it.
>> Yeah. So, you're going to lend your points after I respond. This is not This is a conversation, not a debate. Let him ran away from the Bible. He ran from the top.
>> Muted him again. Add it to the total.
>> You got to let me finish.
>> This is the topic. This is the topic.
It's fine.
>> You got to let me finish, bro. Please.
>> Yeah. So, >> why are you muting me?
>> You said >> because you don't you don't deserve to be up here. You're too under underass.
>> Dude. Dude, stop speaking to him. What's wrong with you? He >> He doesn't He doesn't belong up here.
Ah, >> I see what you're doing, Avery.
I see what you're doing, Avery.
Oh, I see what you doing, Avery.
Oh, we about to have a mubahala on this stage. Oh, we going to have a mubahala on this stage. Watch this.
>> Be quiet. You're speaking to me.
>> I'm going to drop both of you if you don't shut up. Like, actually, like just wait, man.
>> You had the conversation with myself.
>> You're not letting me speak.
>> Tell He speaks with him by yourself.
>> Now he's in Now they're going at each other.
>> You're letting him speak.
>> Can I respond? Are you Are you really fighting with me right now? Really?
Right now?
>> He just kicked them.
He kicked them off the stage. Oh, I knew it was going to happen. I knew it was going to happen.
Oh, let me talk to him. No, let me talk to him. I've been sitting here waiting to talk to him. I want to talk to him. I want to ask him. You know what? Bam. Get off the stage. Watch your head. He he been watching the word night, isn't he?
Hey, word. Now, you got you got another follower. I think Farooq's been watching you cuz he said to the Salipy guy, "Hey, don't watch your head, man. Watch your head." That's what he said.
Oh, that was classic, man. That was good. That Oh, man.
Rogic, I knew you was going to do it. I knew you was going to do it.
>> Okay. No, >> I knew he was. That's why I did that.
>> Because Allah, the Quran, >> I need to point something out here, y'all.
and this comes from years of dealing with Muslims is that you can tell when you can turn a Muslim against another Muslim.
And Avery saw that chance.
So he poked at the bear. He g he he grabbed that stick and he poked at the bear right there. Right.
And it worked.
Hey, all I'm say good job Avery. Good job.
>> Is from Allah's speech and this follows that the Quran is an attribute of Allah.
Well, no, this doesn't follow, right?
The attributes of speech itself is going to be an attribute that is that is um >> that subsist in the essence of Allah himself, right? The Quran is going to be something that Allah spoke, right? So if that is called the truth right this is this can be called the truth it doesn't now mean that now oh then the Quran that's is going to be uncreated and that's everything that's called the truth is also going to be uncreated but this doesn't follow right so you don't have an argument so can you actually answer the question that you're running away from like so like uh you know so vigorously >> yeah Avery you running so vigorously away from the argument what's your argument anyway Avery What's your argument? What? What? That Muhammad can't be called the truth?
Hey, my man already just said he done that. He heed that walking Quran. Heed that walking Quran, man.
That's why heed the truth.
Now it it is a little sherkish.
Now I am I am going to say that it it is a little sherkish. Baroo.
And since I am on your team, you also got to agree it is a little it is a little sherk. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, >> right? Is this is Jesus on the end?
>> So, you cut me off to say all of that.
Um, I'm going to show you how you got yourself in trouble. Now, I didn't interrupt you, so I hope that you give me the same respect, my brother, if you're not afraid of what I have to say.
So with you saying that the attribute that the Quran is part of Allah's speech which is an uncreated eternal inseparable attribute of Allah and notice God you see that you see that immediate interruption you are what are you scared of bro >> what do I mean by >> brother what what are you afraid of what are you afraid of tell me >> what do I mean that it's part of Allah's speech what do I mean by that >> it's okay you could you could talk to me man what are you afraid of tell me >> yeah so what I mean by it's part of why you cut me off is that it's something that's going on.
>> Why are you cutting me off?
>> It's not going to be part of the >> I can hear your voice shaking like you're you're in straight panic mode, bro.
>> Yeah. So, we don't we don't care, right?
Whether what you hear >> and now he's muting me, guys.
>> Yeah.
>> Another mute added to the total. Another mute added to the total.
>> I turned my live status on on purpose so that everybody could see. You said I'm not letting you speak.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't care. I don't care.
>> You said I'm not letting you speak.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, let me respond.
>> You're cutting me off. No. No, it's it's No, you're a coward.
>> You're a coward. I'm muted him again.
Added to the total >> speaking. Let me finish, dude.
>> Okay. If if I'm the one if I'm the one panicking, then be quiet and let me finish.
>> No, no, no. So, you >> muted him again. Add it to the total. It seems like I'm saying that quite a bit right now. So, so therefore the Quran can be called Allah's truth, the truth, because it's part of Allah. It's one of it's one of his attributes. The truth, >> but Muhammad, but Muhammad is not one of Allah's attributes. Is is is Muhammad part of Allah?
>> Yeah. No.
Is Muhammad an attribute of Allah?
>> It's going to be part of >> Is Muhammad Is Muhammad Is Muhammad an attribute of Allah?
>> No.
>> Thank you. So it's inappropriate for him to be in any way, shape, or form likened to Allah in any way. So if you're going to come here and you're going to take if you're if you're going to come here and take >> Look, he's muted me again. If >> add it to the total, another mute, >> you're going to take if you're going to take a name of Allah and apply it to a human being, Muhammad, one of the 99 names, you're immediately going against and you're committing shark. Let me let me let me educate on. Do you know what analogical predication is?
>> So do do you concede is is Muslim apologetic jumping in now?
>> Let me educate you. Do you know?
>> I already begged you.
>> Oh, Farooq done call for help.
Uhoh.
Farooq done call for help. Oh man.
Oh, the Muslim apologetic had to come up and try to save the day.
All right, TMA. All right, let's see what you got then. Let's see what you got. Super warrior Salam M in the chat.
Did you see Big John Steel on Mimi Hijab stream? No. No, I did not. Um, I bet you it did not go very well uh for Mimi Hijab though. Uh because I know Big John Steel. Um, and Big John Steel is definitely way too intelligent of an individual uh to speak with like man that would have been real bad for Muhammad hijab. So, well, we got a little pause here in the information before or in the in the stream before we go to the next moot manoon that wants to get the smackdown from God Logic. I just want to let y'all know that here at Oneway Apologetics, we I am trying to get a full-time ministry right now on Patreon until the 30th of this month. Um 50% off Patreon is offered for your first month. If I get 150 Patreons, I will be able to go fulltime. Also, I do have a link into the description to uh uh give SendGo link. What that's going to do is provide a new computer with a camera. Uh so that I can do these reviews on camera. Um and I'll be able to have my own computer, my camera. So it'll be for equipment and for things for the ministry as well. So if you want to help the oneway apologetics ministry become a full-time ministry, uh subscribe to the Patreon. If you want also help get equipment for the oneway apologetics when I'm doing street ministry and also having equipment here so that I can give more professional videos for you guys. Please uh feel free to help at the give and go. And with saying that y'all let's get into the next contestant on the you want to be cooked by God logic show.
>> So you give up cuz I don't mind talking apologetic. Avery, please.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Really quick. I'm talking to the host. Do Do you concede now, host? Are you giving it over?
>> No. You got >> He's not conceding. He's not conceding.
>> So, you concede and you're giving it over, right?
>> I told you. I told you this doesn't follow that it's going to be part of the intrinsic attributes of Allah. That substance is essence. It's not It's not >> So, so you you're telling me that you can apply things you can apply the names of Allah to things other than Allah. Is that correct?
>> Yeah. I'll tell you why. Because we affirm a concept known as analogical predication, which means that >> Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Slow down, Speedy.
Whoa. Whoa. What? What? What did he just say?
Whoa.
Did he say yes?
Did he say yes to that? Oh, no. No, you didn't. No, he couldn't have done that.
Let me back this up just one second.
Let's just make sure that I heard this correctly.
>> The intrinsic attributes of Allah that subsist essence. It's not >> So you you're telling me that you can apply things you can apply the names of Allah to things other than Allah. Is that correct?
>> Yeah. I'll tell you why.
>> What?
Oh.
>> All right. Tell us why. Muslim apologetic. Tell us why you can commit shirt. Go ahead. Tell us why. because we affirm a concept known as analogical predication which means that the reference dependent on the reference the underlying reality of the uh predicate will differ. Avery, >> can you break that down in similar terms?
>> I got you. I got you. For example, the subject >> Yeah. Ju just one second here y'all. I got to I got to put on my my herinades here so that I can hear the Muslim apologetic just a little bit better y'all. All right. All right. All right. So go ahead TMA explain for us this shirt >> predicate sentence of Avery exists. We can say that Allah exists. Now >> is the underlying reality wait is the underlying reality of the existence the same. Is the modality the same? Of course not. Why? Because you affirm analogical predication. Avery meaning that the underlying reality of the predicate differs depending on the subject or the reference. Do you refer to anything as is is one of Allah's 99 names the self-existing one?
Hey, all we got is some shirt going on in here. All we got is some shirt going on up in here.
Hey y'all, is it a little sherkalicious in here right now?
Come on, man.
Come on, man.
What What are we doing here, man? What are we doing here, man?
>> This guy doesn't have an argument.
>> Yes, but for example, >> can you refer to anything else as the self-existing one?
>> No, because self-existence is something exclusive to necessary beings.
>> Hey, thank you. So, so this is exclusive to Allah. This is my I I said this for >> Let me finish.
>> I said this for a reason, bro. I said it for a reason.
>> I will you let me finish my point.
>> Let Let him speak. Let >> me >> added to the total. He was muted again.
>> Excuse me. Can I finish my answer?
>> Can I finish what what I'm building?
>> No, no, no, no, no. You asked me a question. Too bad. Unlucky.
>> Yeah, he said too. He said too bad. So, forget that. Just just just finish that after.
>> What you did was if you gave me something that's disanalogous bringing up something Oh, Allah exists. Avery exists. I'm not saying that I have to say that cuz Allah is a subexisting one.
>> Ask me a question. I'm >> And they muted him again. NOTICE HE'S EVEN TELLING THE host to mute him.
>> Allah is the subexisting one.
>> Stop panicking. Stop panicking. Relax.
>> You guys are back muting me and saying stop.
>> Can you relax? Can you relax?
>> Yeah. Like I don't even know if we can count anymore because like every time Avery speaks they mute him. So they just muted him again. You guys are straight cowards up here, man.
>> Panicking, bro. You turned your live status on for another.
>> Yeah, I turned my live status on to show how embarrassing to get.
>> You guys are embarrassing. Hold up.
Wait.
>> Uh, muted him again.
>> Avery, relax, hab, relax. When we ref when you when you ask the question of self-existence, something exclusive to Allah.
Yes. That doesn't mean that there can't be subject predicate sentences that can be applied to Allah and can also be applied to creation. That's a nonsequit.
So that doesn't work.
>> Can the names of Allah be applied to creation?
>> What do you mean?
>> They literally muted him when he spoke.
He has He's muted right now. They literally muted him when he spoke.
>> So yeah, for example, >> look, they muted me again. They muted me again. So we got your question.
>> What what do what do you mean? What do I mean? Can the names of Allah look let me ask it clearly. Can the names of Allah >> be applied to creation? Yes or no?
>> Yeah. If Yeah. For example.
>> What? He did it again.
He did it again.
No. No. We got We we we got to hit you with this one, TMA. No, we got to hit you with this one. Nah, you ain't getting away again. Nah, let's get it to him, y'all.
Oh, that shirts, y'all.
Hey, we know TM may be sherking it for life.
And he and and he WAS PROUD OF THAT.
And he was proud of that answer. Wow.
>> Yeah. Can I can I finish? We have a of Allah.
>> Thank you. You have a of Allah that he is existing. He is high, right? He exists. That is a attribute of Allah.
>> That's not one of his names.
>> Excuse me. Can you let me finish?
>> Oh my gosh. You're not even Go ahead.
I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> Yeah, it's an attribute of Allah. And and that can also be applied to creation.
>> Is that one of his names?
>> Wait, can you let me finish?
>> Is that one Is that one of his names?
>> Yo, this guy is actually slow. Can you let scared, bro? Honestly, panicking.
>> When when the when the title when Wait, one sec. When the title on the on the background says Muhammad is the truth, obviously the underlying reality of what it means for Muhammad to be the truth is not going to have the same identical nature of how Allah is the truth.
>> No.
>> So we don't hold we don't hold that Allah Muhammad peace and is the truth the same way that Allah is the truth.
Therefore there's going to be an inequivalence relation. There's going to be a symmetry break Avery. So it wouldn't be problematic on our paradigm.
>> All right. Can I respond now without interruption? Like I just let you speak.
Okay.
>> So, uh, Muslim apologetic, you didn't answer me. You switched. You switched and deflected to Oh, uh, Allah exist and so does creation exist. I didn't ask that. I'm not asking about I didn't ask about that. I asked Please don't interrupt, Farooq, don't interrupt.
Yeah, go ahead.
>> Why are you guys interrupting?
>> Look at the panic.
>> You guys are in zombie. Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> Appreciate it. Thank you.
So I asked about Allah's names not oh does Allah exist okay does creation exists okay you can say both exist but just not in the same way I asked that existing is not one of his names the self-existing one though that's one of his names so my question is very clear can creation I'm sorry can the names of Allah the names of Allah be applied to creation yes or no >> yeah I got Yeah, if they have if if they have different uh uh um under realities, there's no issues.
>> So the answer is yes.
>> Yeah. If they if they let me ask, let me let me qualify very clear. If they differ in the underlying reality, then sure.
>> Okay. So the creation, ladies and gentlemen, we just heard this and we got Muslims down there disagreeing, but it's okay. We got we got Muslims up here saying >> one, brother, let me finish. You got a Muslim down there right now just saying no they can't.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So thank you. So he's in the comments section. He's he's he's in the comments. So fight with your own brother.
>> Yeah. According according to Hold on.
Don't cut me off, bro. Why you Why are you in zombie mode? You guys are y'all in straight zombie mode. Look at them.
Look at them. Look at them.
It's your audience. It's all good.
Finish up. It's all good. Well, relax.
Hurry up. Hurry up. So what we got here in 2025 da mode is that the names of Allah can be applied to creation as long as when you're when you're applying it to creation, you don't think that they they it's in the same modality. I guess.
My bad. My bad. I was muted. My daughter was in here. My bad. I forgot to unfree or unmute the microphone. My bad. My bad.
Uh, and she was loud, too. So, I'm glad that I did mute it when she was there.
Y'all can hear me now, though.
So, I just wanted to stop the video here. Yeah, rookie move big time. But, uh, I just wanted to stop the video here so that I could show that they had to call up more help.
Look at look at the video. You have two more people here on the screen. Islamic Apex and Amar.
So it went from a oneon-one to a twoon one to a oneon-one to a fouronone.
All right Logic I see you. I see you logic. All right let's get it as how Allah this is applied to Allah. But the same exact name that Allah holds to that these names of Allah the 99 names right uh these can be applied to creation. So this right here, guys, and and and break this down for me. I'm apolog Look. I already did. I already did. You guys just you guys are applying this to creation. So you're committing shark because according to according to your according to according to notice the panic again, guys, notice the zombie mode. Notice the zombie mode. You guys associating creation with Allah. Saying saying that you guys Hey, hold on. Hey host, are you gonna are you gonna mute these guys?
>> Hos, are you gonna wait? Wait, wait.
>> Host, are you gonna mute these Hos? Are you gonna mute up? Host, >> stop preaching. He's cooking up.
>> Yeah. Go ahead, Avery. Go ahead.
>> I appreciate it. Thank you. It's okay, man. It's one of me, four of you guys.
It's okay, man. So, it's it's all good.
I know. It's all right. It's all right.
>> So, with you guys with you guys mass muting me and interrupting me at every turn, it we everybody sees We all know, please wait.
>> We all know what this is.
So ju just to be clear, you guys have when you when you talk about the uh sections of you, you have the deals with his names and his attributes and >> uh and so these are supposed to demonstrate how Allah is unique and set apart from creation, >> the oneness of Allah and the and the unification of his names and attributes.
However, you guys defy that when you are now applying these same names and attributes to creation. You guys are committing sherk by doing this.
>> Nice. Are are you done now telling us what we believe? Can you now explain to >> Can you respond to what I just said?
>> I'm I'm logic. I'm literally asking.
>> Stop interrupting anybody.
>> Go ahead. Don't ask me a question. Just respond.
>> At the beginning at the Okay, no issue.
At the beginning of the conversation, I made it very clear that we affirm analogical predication.
Which means that and I already explained this to Avery a time and I will explain it one more time for him and the audience which means we affirm that there can be subject predicate sentences >> and the underlying reality of the predicate can differ dependent on the subject meaning it would only apply pay attention Avery shik would only come into shik would only be obtained if and only if we affirm that the under reality of the predicate is the same. We don't wrong in Islam a moon a muslim cannot call a created being the truth.
cannot happen.
Why? Because of the definite article al the somebody could be called truthful or something like that.
No one, no one other than Allah himself can be identified as the truth.
This is what Muslims aren't getting through their head.
And I got a surah and ayat to back me up, y'all. I got say surah and I to back me up. Sur 7 I number 180 180 surah 7 180 says and to Allah belong the best names.
So invoked by him and leave those who practice deviation concerning his names, they will be recompenseed for what they've been doing. So th this is a double-edged sword too. So those who call Allah father, you can't do it.
Allah already told you what names he has and you can't go outside of those names.
But you also can't use one of his names and apply it to creation.
That was not the issue. And now since pay attention Avery, you specifically had an issue with us saying that Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam is the truth. Right? Let me ask you, pay attention. Do we believe that the underlying reality of how Muhammad is the truth is the same way how Allahh is the truth?
>> Well, this is what uh your host was arguing.
>> Can you answer the question?
>> I I I just did. And then and here's my full response. No notice how you're cutting me off. I say two I say two words. I said two words and I'm getting interrupted.
>> No, the the zombie mode of the Muslims on the panel is incredible. Let me talk.
Let me talk a question.
>> Can I Can I talk?
>> Go ahead.
>> I appreciate it. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Uh Muslim apologetic, >> dude. I I Nice try.
>> It doesn't matter to me if how how you're trying to break it down and say, "Oh, well, yeah, uh I just don't believe that Muhammad is the truth the same way that Allah is the truth. I don't believe that that's the same that's that's the same exact thing.
>> I literally told you the very simple fact excuse me host please don't interrupt me I appreciate it >> the simple fact Muslim apologetic >> that you are allowing creation to hold the divine titles of Allah that are specific and supposed to be unique to Allah. Now Allah is not so unique.
Allah's not Allah's not so set apart >> because now because now you have now applied the divine titles divine names of Allah to creation. That's right.
That's right.
That is sherk.
Applying Allah's divine title, name attribute to a created being is the very definition of sherk.
Get them logic.
>> You are associating. Now that's association. It doesn't matter if you're saying, "Oh, it's the same level." It doesn't have to be the same level. The fact that you are applying this the divine titles of Allah to creation by definition is a um >> basically it goes against goes against guys. Okay, wait. Let me let me >> So go ahead and keep committing shark. I don't mind.
>> Avery, wait.
>> This is my this is my specialty.
>> Can you hush up? Hush up. Now guys, pay attention. Avery said that because we are ascribing something that's only exclusive to Allah that therefore we're committing. Hold on.
>> That's not what he said.
He said that you're applying the divine name of Allah to a created being.
That's why it sherk. Let's get it correct. Muslim apologist, I know you can listen. Avery, we as Muslims believe that the attributes of Allah are exclusive to Allah. Does that mean that if the same or the the the same predicate is applied to creation, does that mean that we suddenly committing shik? Oh, oh no. What what are we doing?
The simple issue that you have Avery is that you can't get it through your head that analogical predication allows for the same predicate and it can change depending on the subject because your line of reason was oh well the names are exclusive to Allah. Well no >> I just want to point out too this other guy amar ain't saying nothing. and he just posting pictures of Avery on it on his thing. Avery's not even paying him attention. But I wanted to pause it here to highlight another thing. We got Bumsy in the house, y'all.
Dawa is Duna. I mean, oh, my bad. My bad. Dawa over Duna. I think that's what his name is. Um, has now entered the stage.
So, right now it is 5v1. All right, Avery, get them.
>> Shit. The attributes of God are also exclusive.
>> Wait, wait. No, they're not. Not anymore. Not to you. They're not exclusive to they're also applied to creation.
>> Wait, let me finish.
>> Let me finish. So now is I've made it very clear to you that our position doesn't entail since would only be a would only obtain if and only if the underlying reality is the same. I'm going to ask you a question that you avoided the first time. When we say that Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him is the truth, is that according to our paradigm, is that going to have the same underlying reality as saying that Allah is the truth? Yes or no?
>> Well, first of all, I already answered that. That's number two. Excuse me. Can you not can you not interrupt me?
>> No, no, no. It's the second time.
>> Can Can you not interrupt me, please?
No, you're wasting No, you're w you're wasting my time by not dealing with what I'm saying to you.
>> So, can can you not interrupt me? This is the third time now. Can you not interrupt me?
>> Yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
>> So So again, notice you didn't even realize how you contradicted your entire position in your same breath. You just said you said and everybody heard you.
You said, "Of course, the names of Allah are exclusive to Allah." No ish. But at the same time, you're arguing that the names of Allah can be applied. Excuse me. Excuse me, please. At the same time, numbum nuts, you're arguing that the names of Allah are not exclusive to Allah, but can be appli but can be applied to creation. Excuse me.
>> Okay, guys. Let me let me talk. Let me finish. Okay, guys. I'm not going to lie, I understand. I understand how this feels. I know that. I know you.
>> Hey. Hey. I I feel their pain logic. I feel their pain logic.
Them demons is stirring in there. Oh, them demons is stirring. They can't Oh.
Oh, they want to come out. Oh, they want to come out right now.
Oh, they can't hold it back any longer.
He been cooking them too long. They can't hold it back.
>> You guys aren't the only Muslims that go through this.
>> I experienced two. You guys have all gone through this this process. You didn't answer the question.
>> Surviving got logic. I understand.
>> You got you guys.
>> He wants to run. He wants to run.
>> Hey. Yeah. Hey. Hey. For all you Muslims out there, we've got Muhammad hijab. We got the Muslim lantern. Uh we got uh Hamza.
Uh we've got Mouser. We got Ali Dawa.
We've got the Orthodox Muslim. Like the list could go on and on, right? And I'll add TMA, Dawuna, the Muslim cowboy, and of of course Islamic Apex to the list. Oh yes, Atachi as well. That's right, y'all. Uh y'all can call 1800 We Don't Like Avery.
1800 We Don't Like Avery. That's your hotline, y'all. that that that's for you guys that that that have been hurt by Avery that are going through that logic effect right now. I know it's hard on y'all. I know life is rough for y'all right now.
You thought you was something and then all of a sudden you realized you wasn't. Hey, it's okay. You call that hotline.
We got your back.
Hey, we got your back on that one. We got your back.
1800. We don't like Avery. That's all you got to do, Muslims. We got your back over here.
>> Answer the question.
>> Yeah, guys. Guys, watch this.
>> Oh, Ramsey's in there. Oh, watch this.
Watch this. Ramsey's like, "Oh, watch this, guys. I'M GOING TO GET HIM. WATCH THIS. Watch this, guys. Oh, I got to back this up. That This is good. This is good. Here, >> cuz Bums is a joke. We all know that.
Answer the question.
One second.
>> Yeah, guys. Guys, watch this.
>> It's okay, guys.
>> It's okay. I promise you. They They have a support group. They have a support group for for Muslims like this that go through the logic effect.
>> They have a support group.
>> I promise they have a support group.
>> Hey, add another one. They just muted him again.
>> Let him drop.
>> And now they're muting me, guys, because they won't let me finish cuz they're done. They're done.
>> Okay. Just Just mute him. Spam mute him till he drops. Who?
>> Spam mute him till he drops. Who cares?
Spam mute him until he drops.
That's how That's how Muslims debate right there.
That's how Muslims debate right there.
>> No one cares. So >> So they want they want to spam mute me.
They don't want to engage.
>> These guys are cowards.
>> Straight up cowards.
>> Keep on doing this. Look in the Quran.
In the Quran, you don't have anything that says that Muhammad is the truth.
>> You have nothing that says nothing that says that you can share the names of Share the Just.
>> Oh, they end up kicking him. OH NO, THEY BOOTED HIM OFF THE STAGE. HEY, logic effect and full of force right there. Y'all watch this.
>> Who dropped him?
>> I'm so scared.
>> All right. No, we're going to drop him.
Ramsey, I don't know why you love talking to him. Okay.
>> I don't. I don't.
>> Okay. So, why do you why you get mad when a go?
>> We can't talk to him.
>> What did we just SEE HERE? WE >> OH, DID ISLAMIC Apex just go at Bumsy as well? Let's back this up one second.
Let's back this up one sec. I want I want to hear this.
>> Drop the cop. Drop the cop.
>> Who dropped it? I'm >> so scared.
>> All right. No, we're going to drop him.
Ramsey, I don't know why you love talking to him. Okay.
>> I don't. I don't.
>> Here.
>> Okay. So, why do you why you get mad when >> Go ahead and ask. Go ahead.
>> Talk to him.
>> What did we just see here? We just bumsy.
Dawa is done. I mean, Dawa over Duna, you just got put in your place, son.
Oh, Islamic Apex is like, you ain't nothing. You just shut up. Mute up, man.
Mute up.
Oh, man. I hope Dolber aka Bumsy I hope he doesn't think that he has any respect in the Muslim world. Now, Mr. Logic, fill us in on your discussion.
Sir >> saw Muslims are now justifying uh committing sherk. They're now justifying attributing the names that according to the Muslim apologetic out of his own mouth said are exclusive to Allah by also applying these names to creation.
So they're not exclusive to Allah anymore. Sherk. Sherk by the way guys in the Muslim paradigm is when you associate partners with Allah or when you are putting something else you are likening it to Allah. You're relating it to Allah. And so what they're doing is is they're saying Muhammad is the way.
Muhammad is the truth. Muhammad is the life. Now we don't believe that Muhammad is the truth to the same capacity that Allah is the truth. However, we believe that he's the truth. This is a name that Allah has. Chapter 22:6. Allah, he is Allah hawk. He is the truth. So go ahead Muslims, by all means commit your blasphemy. You guys go from we're monotheistic, pure monotheist to, yeah, we could commit sherk. Yeah, Allah is a father now. Jesus is the son of God in the sense. We're all children of Allah in a sense. Yes, Muhammad can share the names of Allah. In a sense, it's all good. Alhamdulillah. Y'all keep it up.
Alhamdulillah, y'all. Keep it up. Hey, there's only one thing I got to say after something like that.
Oh, here here. Let me let let me do this. Let Let me do this. Let Let me do this here. Let Let's get the let let's get this in full force here.
Oh no.
Come on everyone in that shirt that shark that shark and that shark in that shirt that sh to the left sherking to the right then the one tell you all the sherking ain't right. Sherking all day and you be shing at night. Sherking till it hurt cuz you be sherking it for life.
That sh >> All right. I died.
And that shark and that shark, man, I've never seen Muslims so happy to commit sherk in my life. I never not never in my life have I never.
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Matthew Salam alsi says PLLD equals postlogic disorder.
Yes, they're certified. They is they is certified.
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I will not enable your silly old fable.
You lie on my God, then I'm flipping some tables. Bible, Quran, makes no difference. I'll beg you, bro. I don't hate. Trying to give you a breakthrough cuz it one way. Jesus is God.
Apologetics.
One way. One way. Apologetics. God bless us. There's one way. Jesus is God.
Apologetics. One way. One way.
Apologetics. I see y'all. Jesus is God.
You can try to change my mind if you think that's around. Don't manifest on me, buddy. Just be still and be calm.
Cuz today I'm going to teach you about the real of Islam. Just keep it your se and I'll make you a clap. Hust going to be hab should be shock. Who's the one true God? Yours cannot compare. Father, son, and holy spirit. Why? I have no fear. I step up and see if all the energy remain. Spend your days in the mental gym and never see no gains. I'm yet to see the evidence to represent your claims. Now I'm starting to think everything you ever said is a strange.
The scriptures that I'm reading don't need anyone to change. Anything they say so you don't get to run away. Just know that I'm going to hold you to whatever you might say. And God is great. I'm ready for you any time of day.
>> I will not ename.
You silly or fake. You lie on my God.
Then I'm flipping some tables. Bible makes no difference. I'll beg you, bro.
I don't hate trying to give you a breakthrough.
Cuz there's one way. Jesus God. Hey.
Apologetics.
One way. One way. Apologetics. God bless us. There's one way. Jesus is one way. One way. Hey. Apologetics. Be not afraid. I'm a man of respect. I love the LORD IN HIS HAND I PROJECT. That's why your ignorance has no effect. And why you ain't sinking YOUR FANGS IN MY NECK. You vipers have wisdom, but you lack the innocence. Islam ain't blissful when you have to live in it. Y'all go against the verse if you ain't feeling it. Make up excuses to add something into IT. WE NOT THE SAME. HIS WORD IS THE PROOF. The fact that you lacking.
I'm packing the boot. You panic attacking. I'm slapping with truth. And that's why you have to react like you knew. But we don't have children to marry for one. And we don't have borders to hurt anyone. I know your demons are hurt cuz we won. But you can be free if you turn to God's son and neighbor. You silly your favor. You lie on my god and I'm flipping some tables. Bible make no difference. I'll beg you, bro. I don't hate you. Trying to give you a breakthrough.
Cuz there's one way. Jesus is good.
Apologetics. One way. One way.
Apologetics. God bless us. There's one way. Jesus is good. One way. One way.
Hey. Apologies. God bless.
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