The debate provides a sharp, text-based analysis of the logical contradictions between predestination and free will in Islamic theology. It demonstrates how deep linguistic and legal knowledge can effectively challenge traditional religious dogmas.
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Hello.
>> Hello Christian friends.
>> How are you my friend?
>> How are you?
>> I'm fine. I'm fine.
>> You are a Muslim, right?
>> Yes, I'm Muslim. I'm not expert in Islam but I have some knowledge.
>> All right. What do you want to say to us, Mr. Muhammad?
I just want to comment about what you say about uh Satan and uh and you keep talking about Satan. Just I want to know what is your criteria to judge what is wrong and what is right because my friend let us we if we use when I speak to Muslims I use what Islam consider to be right and wrong. Do you agree with that? Is that fine with you?
Yes, it's fine. But when when so isan according to you as a Muslim you as a Muslim isan for you a good person or a bad person?
>> It's it's not a good person and not a bad person. It's a good it's too good to decide is it a good is it a good person or not?
It's not okay. According to your God in the Quran, did he decide that Shayan is bad or good? Did he decide already? Did he tell you?
>> Our God tell us to that Satan will go to him.
>> Okay. And you want to change.
>> Okay. So that that's me my friend. My friend >> Satan is a Muslim or Muslim.
>> My friend. So So based on what Allah sayan is a bad person. Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So how Shayan became a Muslim?
Uh it it's not about Muslim. It's not it's about is Satan will go to hell or will go to hell.
>> My friend, how howan is a Muslim? He will go to hell. What are you talking about? He's a Muslim.
>> Show me where you say a Muslim.
>> Okay.
>> I know. I know that Satan believe Allah but he didn't want Allah. So he will go to h because he didn't do what Allah him.
>> All right.
>> Because to be a good Muslim because there are there is a Muslim in Arabic a moment.
>> Do you know do you know a little bit of Arabic? Do you know a little bit bit of Arabic?
>> Yes I am Arabic. I am from >> Oh you are Arab. That's wonderful. Okay.
Read with me in the screen please.
That's wonderful.
>> My my English is >> my friend. My friend that's even better.
Read with me. It says uh Allah he helped me against him and he converted to Islam. Who is the one speaking?
>> Do you know do you know what is mean that?
>> No you tell me what does that mean? He became a Muslim. that it's it's it's no no it's about dear prophets. It's it's a mean that that Satan cannot cannot uh cannot cannot tell the prophet to to do but do you know because in Arabic uh it have other meaning it doesn't >> my friend >> it doesn't mean what Islam mean a Muslim >> what the word Islam means Islam You speak Arabic. I speak Arabic. What Islam mean? Make it simple.
>> Just tell me. I I will I will tell you something.
>> To to go to go to heaven. What what are the condition to go to heaven?
>> My friend, let us make it simple.
>> Don't talk about that.
>> I know that you >> No, I'm not done topic. I just gave you a hadith. I want to know what the word Islam mean. Your prophet, he said that Allah helped me against so he became Islam. What Islam mean?
Okay. Okay. Let's assume that Satan is Muslim. Okay.
>> Okay. So, you just said no. So, >> you said you saidan you said is a is not you said to mean is bad person. So, howan is a Muslim and he's a bad person?
>> Muslim doesn't mean good person. Muslim the Muslim who who do the good work is the Muslim who do the bad work is >> okay. So shaitan he say shahada and he converted to Islam.
>> Uh yeah you you see where is tell me see that he see >> it says it says that Islam Islam who is the one who made who is the one who made Muslim >> Allah help Muhammad help Muhammad so now we are debating huh and then you made me convert to Islam. Let us say let us say let us say for the sake of argument you you think I am shaitan because little Muslims think okay so now you made me convert to Islam >> you made me convert to Islaman he became a Muslim so Muhammad he converted to Islaman he said shahadas yet still he's aan how is aaitan he's a Muslim now >> he didn't say that Muhammad he himself he he returned satan as a Muslim Who is the one that died? Muhammad who is the one.
>> Allah. So Allah he converted to be a Muslim. How would that happen? Can you explain to us >> how he converted him? He >> converted him.
>> So no it says Islam. Islam he became a Muslim.
>> Islam. What what is converted? He didn't say the word converted.
>> If we say a this person Islam, what does that mean? It mean he became to a Muslim, right? Just I will I will go with your with your argument. Just let's say that Satan is a Muslim. What did you see to me is why Satan will go to hell when he is a Muslim.
>> Muslims they will go to hell.
>> This what you say >> Muslims will go to hell.
>> Is this what you say?
>> No. There is a Muslim will go to hell.
>> Show me where? Show me where Muslim will go. Show me. Show me one Muslim. Where?
Where in the Quran says Muslim will go to hell?
>> What? What? I will show you. There is two condition to go to heaven.
>> What is the two condition?
>> What is the condition? Tell me. I'm I'm learning from you.
>> The first the first condition is to believe in Allah. When you believe in Allah, you become a Muslim. The second condition is to good to to do the good work. This the second condition. Satan do the first condition but he didn't do the second condition to do the good work that Allah chin him it's finished >> I don't understand my friend >> my friend in the Quran in the Quran Allah say the Quran Allah said Allah Allah in the Quran listen listen Allah in the Quran said Allah he forgive all sin except shark do you agree >> Allah forgive all the sin of the Muslim except except the Do you know >> my friend? Chapter verse number four.
Chapter 4 verse number 14. I know. I'm asking about this one now.
Work and believe and work good works.
>> Okay. But your prophet said that you your work will not save you and his work will not save him. Don't you know about this hadith?
>> I know about it. What that mean?
>> That mean that is the you the work the work you do.
>> No no I will I will show you what that mean. M >> that's mean you will you you work a good work >> but you don't you you you don't know that you you do the perfect work and good it's too good to judge your work because when you do a work you you don't >> my friend my friend my friend this is not what it says my friend my friend my friend my friend this is not this is not what it says read with me the hadith this Muslim. This is >> I know it. I know it. But it's not about Okay, let us read. You understand it, >> my friend. Let us read. It says there's nuns amongst you whose deed alone would attain salvation for him. The companions they said Allah messenger, not even you.
He said not even I but Allah warps me in mercy and he grant me burden. So your >> this is the point.
>> Okay. So your deed is not a way of salvation.
>> It's Allah didn't say you will not going to to heaven or that without work. God tells you do your best work. And it's not just your work that will will make you to go to to to heaven.
>> You you you must do a good work. But after that you need because I I will tell you something because if you do all good things always you make some sin you make some some some mistakes then good then our good will judge you about your works and he will forgive you about other sins.
>> Okay.
Okay my friend, your prophet he said that a person he will do the deeds of hellfire and then what is written by Allah will take over his deed and he will go to to heaven and a person who is doing the deed of heaven Allah what Allah wrote for him in his destiny he will take over and he will go to hellfire so the deed in Islam is a joke because simply you do good deeds or you can do good deeds I will I will make it easy for you. I I I I I want to comment about this. When when good when God writes everything that you will do in future, >> you you telling me that Allah >> writes that this person will go to hell and this person will go to to heaven.
>> I want to ask you one one one question.
>> Can you hear me?
>> I hear you. Go ahead.
>> Did you believe Jesus is God?
>> Yeah, I believe. Yeah.
>> Tell me, did Jesus know everyone where he will go?
>> Yes or no?
>> Did Jesus what? Know what? What >> did Jesus know? Every person where he will go is in heaven or in hell. Did he know or not? My friend, he is going who is going to decide for you where you will go? His knowledge is his knowledge is decision he will make himself. He is the judge.
>> Yes.
>> Just know or not.
>> Yes. He know but not based in destiny.
Not based on destiny.
He he know he know because he's God. No.
So what have to do with our talking?
>> I will he will created you. He know that you will do this and you will do this and you will do this. Then he write it and and it is not the what?
>> Okay. Now this is this is not the point my friend. This is this is not what it says my friend. No no no that's not what it says. Read with me carefully my friend.
>> My friend. My friend. Hold on. Hold on.
Hold on. Hold on. The sin, the sin of Adam, the sin of Adam, my friend. My friend, my friend, my friend, do you know the hadith about Adam and Moses? Do you know the hadith about it and I know this?
>> Okay. So, so Adam here, Allah, Allah, prophet Muhammad said that Adam he won the debate and what Moses was saying to Adam because of your because of you commit sin, we are out of paradise. Adam said to him, "Are you going to blame me for an action written for me before my creation? Written for me in my fate which mean and and your prophet agree that Adam he refuted Moses which mean this is not the action of Moses anyway of Adam for Allah he wrote that for him.
This is not about Allah he know it is about Allah he decide your destiny not about knowing. The same story about the child. No, my friend. The same the same story, my friend. Hold on. Let me No, no, no. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. I I want to make it clear.
>> Do you know that? Do you know the hadith about the baby who die?
>> Very easy. Very easy.
>> Do you know the hadith about the baby who died? The hadith about the baby who died as a as a Muslim.
The baby who die as a Muslim. Do you know the story?
>> I know it. But it's about your understanding.
>> No. Let me read. Okay. Let me read my friend. Contradiction.
>> Give me a second. You make it contradiction.
>> My friend. My friend. My friend. Let me read. As long as as long you say it. As long you say.
>> I will tell you something. I will.
>> I will tell me. I will give you time.
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. As long as you are the one who said you know the hadith, my friend. Hold on. As long you said you know the hadith. I'm going to give you time to explain the hadith for us and I will listen.
>> What he say?
>> Hold on. Hold on. I will hold on. What you will say? This is the let me let me let me read the hadith my friend let me read the hadith she said to the prophet there is a happiness this is about a child who died from the ansar the ansar are Muslim people they went to the funeral and and Muhammad are coming back in the road she said to Muhammad Allah messenger there is a happiness for this child who is born who is a bird from the birds of paradise or it commit no sin nor has the reach that a person commits sin.
Muhammad he said to her advantage adventure Aisha it might be the otherwise which mean he might go to hell. Now I will give you the the question and you can read the if you want from the beginning to the end and explain to us.
Hold on. Okay. Hold on. Let me give my question. I did not give you my question yet. She assumed that the baby I did not give you my question yet. Hold on. Aisha assumed that the baby will go to heaven.
Muhammad don't agree. He said it might be the otherwise. Why? Go ahead. I'm listening.
>> Okay. Just let's let's uh let's uh say something.
Firstly, he say he may go to hell or he may go to heaven. And you see and you you see it's contradiction. First thing if there is two there is two probability. The first one if he go to heaven there's no contradiction if he we what what the prophet say he because say this baby will go to heaven and in Islam we know that heaven and hell it's to go to decided it there is there is no person and and prophet prophet himself he he cannot decide that that this person will go to hell or this person will go to hell. Even he do the good works because God he is the only one who who see who see what is in the heart of everyone.
The second is what this hadith it's not proof what you think it is it's it's like what I said good our good he he he he knows the future he knows everything that every my friend okay hold on hold on you see you are not answering the question you are not answering the question the Question is this is a kid who did not what know the future? There's no future for the child. He's a child. He is just born. What do you mean future? Who's talking about future? He is an infant, my friend. He is an infant. He died.
What a future. What a future. He's an infant who commit no sin. So how it is possible? How he is? Listen listen. You are talking to yourself. You are not listening. How how funny what you are saying. This is a kid who commit no sin.
And he was an infant. So what do you mean Allah? He know the future. This guy he have no future. He died. He died as a baby. He commit no sin. So what is the reason for somebody never commit sin to go to hell? Can you explain?
>> Okay. Uh you see you see where he say he will go to hell.
>> He said that in front of you. He said it might be otherwise. He you make something. He >> my friend. No it says that in front of you. What's wrong with the Muslims?
She said he will go to heaven. Muhammad said it might be the otherwise. Can you tell me what might be the otherwise mean? Me?
>> Do you know what is mean?
>> What otherwise mean? She said he will go to heaven.
>> He said it might be the otherwise. What does that mean?
>> Did Did the prophet say he will to the surely >> my friend? He said it might be the otherwise which mean it might go to it might go to hell. What's wrong with you?
Aisha is the one who said he will go to heaven.
>> What otherwise mean?
>> When Aisha she said he will go to heaven >> and Muhammad he said listen listen.
Muhammad said it might be the otherwise.
What is the other option? She said he will go to heaven. Muhammad he said it's the otherwise. It might be the otherwise. What is the otherwise? What is the other option?
>> Okay. Okay. There is two options.
H >> yes or no >> the first one is heaven as said Muhammad don't agree you said it might be the otherwise so what is the otherwise >> do do you do do I I I I my friend the question is very very simple she said he will go to heaven the prophet said it it might be that the otherwise so what otherwise present him the one who said that is leave he will go to heaven. So Muhammad he said he might be the otherwise. So what otherwise according to your knowledge mean?
>> Do you know why?
>> Do you know why prophets decide to to what?
>> This is not a question I'm asking you.
What is the other wise? What is the other wise? Don't don't jump it. What is the otherwise mean?
>> Otherwise heaven and hell at >> what otherwise mean? I make my arguments.
>> What otherwise mean? And I want to understand first word by word what otherwise mean said he will go to heaven. Muhammad he said it might be the otherwise. What does that mean?
>> What what is the otherwise? What's wrong with you Muslim? Do you not know what otherwise mean? If I if I say to you we might win the lotto and we will win the lotto. The other guy he said it it might be the otherwise. What does that mean?
It mean we will lose. So what do you mean when she said he will go to heaven?
He will go to heaven. He's a baby. He commit no sin.
>> What Muhammad explain?
>> Let me tell you. Talk tell you just let me see what I want to see.
>> Say go ahead.
>> If you want to tell just let me >> I will take a nap. Go ahead.
>> Say he will go to heaven. M >> it's like is sure he will go to heaven and prophet will teach that no one can decide that person or that person will go to heaven or or to hell. He he teach that to anyone there are there are two ways hell or heaven and to go to decides which one. In this he never say he will go to he said he will go to h this >> okay so why it's possible okay hold on I will go with you I will go with I will go with you my friend I will go with you >> make why it's possible hold on hold on why it's possible for this infant to go to hell why it's possible >> because it's too good to decide who who will no you are the one who said the one who do good deeds etc etc etc. The Quran says Allah promised them heaven already is promised. So now this is a child this is a child he is born as a Muslim this child is born as a Muslim. I'm not born as a Christian. There's nobody is born as a Christian. This is a stupidity. So your in your religion everyone is born as a Muslim. This is a child who is born as a Muslim from a Muslim family. Now >> okay okay do childrens let me ask you do childrens who die in the age of infant in Islam they go to heaven or they will not >> okay I will I will tell you something >> don't tell me something don't tell me something I want an answer can you confirm to me according to Islam >> I I answer >> a baby a baby child no I want a simple answer you see this is simple logic because if if the reason to go what is the reason to go to hell my friend what is the reason to go to hell Is it sin or it is something else?
>> I will I will I will >> What is the reason to go to hell? What is the reason in Islam to go to hell? I want to know. Is it sin or something else?
>> Just let me uh make my argument.
>> No, I know Muslims you speak forever.
You say nothing. So I want to make it short and clear. Are we going to go to hell?
>> Now you you talk with your >> my friend. Are we going to go to hell because of sin or because something else? I want an answer.
>> You go to hell. You don't want to answer >> if you something if you if do not do what your god tell you.
>> But this is a child. Why he will go to hell? He's a baby.
>> You see where he say he will go to hell.
>> It says that. It says that. It says that. It says my friend. My friend. Hold on. Hold on. Go. Go. I I don't have time to talk.
>> You mean >> my friend my friend just go just go guys where it says that it's in front of you.
Your prophet said that it says be adventure Aisha. Maybe the otherwise because God No don't call me. Don't call me. I don't have time for kids. I don't have time for kids. Beer adventure. It may be the otherwise. What is the otherwise?
What is the otherwise?
Muhammad he explained because Allah created who is for hell when they are in their father sperm.
So this what what a change in this child since he was created until now nothing he commit no sin correct guys we need to think carefully what happened since this child is created my friend Muhammad if you will not answer don't call me please >> my friend my friend just just listen in Islam if you have if you have an other. If you make an argument in just one, that's an argument.
>> We don't make an argument in one. Don't you believe in Don't you believe in?
Hold on. Don't you believe in destiny?
Don't you believe? Don't you believe in destiny?
>> My friend, do you believe in destiny?
Yes or no?
>> Yes, I believe.
>> Okay. What destiny mean Islam?
This mean that Allah knows what you will do in then he write it. He don't force you.
>> That's false. I challenge you to show me one reference for that.
>> That is false my friend. I challenge you to show me one reference for that.
>> This is the understand of all Muslims.
>> My friend, don't watch my time. Can you show me one reference that this is about the knowledge of Allah, not the decision of Allah?
destiny. This is a logical argument.
>> No, you need to you need to show me reference. Do you need Can you show me reference about what you just said?
Because what you just said is absolutely false.
>> Annance is a logical argument. You tell me that Jesus know what he will be in the future.
>> This is about this is about this is about knowing, not about this. No, no.
The Quran, the Quran teach all over. I can show you. Listen my friend, I can show you tons of verses.
Tons of verses that you believe because Allah he decide to you who to believe.
What are what's wrong with you? Are you telling me you do not know what's written in your book?
>> Who is the one who decide who believe or not?
>> Based on the Quran, who is the one who decide who will believe who not? Is it your decision or the sin of Allah? I want an answer.
>> Do you do you choose to be to be >> Don't change don't change the topic. I'm asking you what is what is who is the one who who is the one who made decision to believe Allah or you >> and Allah.
>> That's false answer. Show me reference.
>> It's a logical.
>> Show me the reference my friend. My friend to be.
>> Show me the reference. Show me the reference.
>> Show me where do you choose to be a Christian or no? Just answer >> my friend. What's wrong with you? I'm asking you question and you gave me the answer. I am just saying to you, can you show me? Can you show me the reference?
He knows that.
>> I'm not asking you about knowing the future. I asked you when you believe my friend, what's wrong with you? I don't I don't like Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen. I don't like to talk to kids. You I'm assuming that you're an adult. I don't want to insult you. I'm saying to you, if you want to have a nice conversation, you have to give me a reference.
>> So, can you provide me a reference? Can you provide nicely, nicely, friendly, can you provide me a reference saying that in in Islam a Muslim he choose his belief?
Can you find me reference?
It's not that this hadith that you that you mentioned my friend the you mentioned it's approve it's not about the it's >> my friend what's wrong with you >> forget about the hadith I mentioned to you I'm asking you you said you as a Muslim you can choose to believe or not to believe can you show me reference You mean >> so what does that mean?
Because what you will you will be >> still this is not at the end of at the end of the day are you see I'm talking about listen listen you see you just gave me you just gave me my friend my friend my friend you just gave me a verse proving Islam to be false how Allah saying to you to believe or not to believe is my decision and then he says to you believe or not it's up it's up to you is it the decision of Allah to believe or it is your decision. I will repeat the question.
>> It is your decision because Allah if you want to believe. If you want to believe don't believe.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Believe or not to believe.
>> If we go right now to the Quran, my friend, my friend, my friend, if we go right now to the Quran, hold on, hold on. Do you believe the Quran is a book of contradiction or there's no contradiction?
a contradiction. It's about your understanding. You you make contradiction in a false.
>> No, we will not. We will not give our interpretation. We will use the Muslim interpretation. Is that fine?
Is that fine with you?
>> Go. Go.
>> No. No. Don't tell me go. Go. Do you accept your Muslim interpretation for the Quran or you don't accept the interpretation of the Muslim?
>> Huh?
Allah say in the Quran that that there's some verses that anyone can understand. There's verses that >> So now you want to play the game with me. You want you want to play the game with me? That's there's verses nobody understand. Guys, did you heard this?
This is a book of guidance. Yet nobody understand because Allah he said in the Quran there's verses uh nobody understand. So now he start playing the game of okay you are going to quote for me verses nobody understand. Just just go in the verse and just read.
>> But why you are saying to me there is verses nobody understand in advance? Why you are initiating that?
>> Okay. Okay. Let's let's assume that every verse is >> chapter chapter two chapter 2 verse number 253. Can you read it for me?
>> I don't have I don't have just read and let's discuss.
>> Okay. According to the Quran they are saying that Allah he sent messengers one above others. All right? And some they have high rank and some they have low rank. And Issa he was sponsored by the Holy Spirit. And then it says if Allah want they will not disagree those who came after him. They will not fight together.
What Allah mean by he? If he want they will not disagree.
>> What >> what Allah mean by saying if Allah want the Christians after Jesus will not be in disagreement.
What he mean?
They will not fight each other.
Allah send the Isa.
>> It's to Allah to >> Allah send the Isa. Listen listen. Allah send the Isa. All right. And Isa delivered a message and the verse saying and Allah support Isa by the Holy Spirit. Okay. And then it says here if Allah had so willed succeeding the generation would not have fought among each other. So who is the one who decide that those people they will fight each other? It was the will of Allah. Do you agree with that or not?
I will. Yes, it's Allah. But the the people >> So what? They will fight each other about what? Okay, hold on, hold on, guys. Hold on, hold on, hold on. So they will fight each other about what? About belief, right? About belief. Correct.
>> What?
>> They will fight each other about what?
About belief. Do you agree?
The verse here is speaking about what?
They will fight each other about what?
About believe. They became sick. They fight each other. Okay. So who is the one who divide them and make them in disbelief in each other? It is Allah. So who is the one who make decision?
>> No no no. Allah he gave him the choice.
>> What choice? Where is the choice? Where what is the choice? Where is the choice?
Where is the choice? It says it says it says if all my friend >> it is the will. I asked you this is the will of Allah or the will of the Christian. You said it's the will of Allah. So Allah is the one his decision to divide them. And continue reading please. It says after a clear sign had come to them but they you know between two brackets is not exist to go wrongly some believing and other rejecting. If Allah had so willed they would not have fought each other. So it is it is and then he continue but Allah fulfilled his plan.
>> Do you see the word the plan my friend?
Do you see the word plan? Allah fulfilled his plan. So it was Allah plan to make the Christians divided. Do you agree with that?
>> I will tell you something. It is the same.
>> Is it a plan or not? No. I want an answer. Is that a plan or not? Is it a plan? Is it a plan of Allah to make them divided or yes or no?
>> Is it a plan?
>> I will I will tell you something.
>> Don't tell me something. I want an answer. Is it a plan of Allah or not?
in the same in the same uh in the same topic. I wish you no no we want an answer here. It says that this is the plan of Allah. Is it the plan of Allah or not?
>> I'm losing you.
>> Is it is this >> is this the plan of Allah or this is the plan of somebody else? It is the plan of who?
>> Watch what I didn't hear. When the Quran here in this verse chapter 2 verse number 253 it says this is Allah plan and Allah fulfill his plan. The plan is to divide the Christians. So it was a choice for the Christian to be divided or it was the plan of Allah.
>> It I I will answer but I will ask you something.
>> Don't ask me something that ask me first but you know but then you can ask me. I mean why you want to change the topic my friend? Okay. Listen, listen, listen. Is it the plan of Allah or it is the plan of the Christian to be? Is it the plan of the Christians? Preset plan by Allah or it was the decision of the Christians. I want you to answer please >> allow everything to happen because the life it's a test.
>> My friend, this is not the question.
>> Something >> this is not the question. Okay, let me ask you. Let me ask you let me ask you let me ask you. If you work, do you do you decide in Islam how much money you make or Allah decide for you?
>> What >> do you decide in Islam how much money you make or Allah decide for you?
>> It's to decide.
>> It's who?
>> It's the the man who decide how many will >> that's that's false. The hadith of your prophet, the hadith of your prophet in the Quran says that it's Allah who decide for you your wealth, >> your bad deeds, your good deeds. You write it down 40 days before you are born.
>> There is a difference between your money and risk >> risk. What risk mean? What is risk? What risk? What risk mean? What risk to Arabic?
>> Okay? What risk mean? Risk doesn't mean I will go and go and raise and read in that risk doesn't mean your money risk some some scholars say that >> mean it mean you not >> okay >> let me let me ask you let so what is let us make it simple my friend let us make it simple what is what is res what is res mean? What does risk mean? Make it make it make it clear. What is risk mean?
>> A risk mean >> the uh risk mean the not all money that you spend.
>> The Quran says that Allah he gave you Okay, hold on. So the Quran the it mean it's money.
>> So what does it mean? Does it mean money or something?
>> What does it mean? What does it mean?
What does it mean? Money or something else?
>> Uh it's it's not just about it's so it can be about money. Okay. So that included then so Allah he decide for you how much money you will make. Yes or no?
>> But it's to you to to search money my friend. My friend, why you don't why Muslims will not give why? Why they will not why you will not give me why you will not give me an answer? What's wrong with you? It's up to you. It's up to you. It's up to you.
Listen. Listen, my friend.
What does that mean?
>> What What does this mean? It mean destiny. Is it destiny that you will be rich or poor according to Allah? Is it your destiny to be rich or poor? Yes or no?
>> It is just >> I'm tell this what it says in the Quran in front of me. It says it's Allah who decide how much you will get. It's in front of you. Chapter 2 verse number 12 this I I will teach you some verses and you and you tell me this is it's about interpretation of this same verse >> okay let us go to something easier let us go listen listen you you like you like to play games you like to play games I like that >> it's not >> okay hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on when Muhammad he said that the angels they you know a person between him and heaven. He is doing the deed of heaven. He is doing what? The deed of heaven. And then what Allah wrote for him will take over, will proceed and he will act as the people of hellfire and he go to hellfire. So look at this now he is doing the the deeds of heaven. De what? Of heaven. This is his deed. He's doing that already. And then there is one cubit between him and heaven just one. And then what is written by Allah will take over and he will start doing the deeds of hellfire.
So he go to hellfire and vice versa. So here this one you're going to play games with it. The man is doing the deed of he heaven. What he's doing? Let me read for you. Do you see this? Do you see the screen with me or you didn't see it?
>> I know it. I know it.
>> So the guy Okay. So the guy is doing what? He's doing the deed of heaven.
Thank you very much. Now what is going to take over? What Allah wrote for him, not his deed. His deed is to go to hell or his deed will go to heaven. At the end of the day, it's what Allah he wrote in his destiny will take over and his and then okay.
Why a person listen listen what is going to change in this guy life is what Allah wrote read carefully with me my friend stop playing games here let me read to you again let me read let me read again you see okay I I have your argument >> you are just you you know you are just being playing games I don't like those kind of people guys isn't in front of us saying clear that the guy is doing the deeds of heaven that's it He should go to heaven to the point no don't call me I don't I don't have time for kids don't call me please you are not being honest all Muslim believe in destiny and destiny is what Allah he made for you is not about Allah knowing that's false not even a single Muslim believe in this garbage don't call me don't for me to block This man is doing the deeds of heaven and then what Allah wrote will proceed not his decision.
If Allah wrote is about knowledge then he should continue the same. Nothing will change. He's already doing the deeds of heaven.
This is his lifestyle.
There's what is going to do or change in his life.
Read carefully with me.
Then the soul breathe into him and by Allah the person among you or a man may do the deeds of fire till there is only a cubit or an arm. I mean he is almost there.
That's mean this is your lifestyle.
And then that which Allah has order the angels to write proceed. This is not knowledge my friend.
That's not knowledge. It's what Allah wrote. That is his faith.
What will proceed?
Is it the deeds of the man, decision of the man or what Allah wrote?
Are you involved in what is written? No.
Is this his knowledge? No. Because as you see here, there is an exchange in the life of the person. Things doesn't happen in this way. A person who is a criminal all his life etc etc etc. Suddenly he will go to heaven.
That is what is written for him. Will take over.
Will take over what? His lifestyle. The way he is. And then the opposite. A person who is doing the deeds of heaven all his life. He's a good man.
All his life is worshiping Allah, killing Christians and Jews and raping women.
So what is in you?
Are you going to give me an answer or you will play games?
>> I will answer.
You see, if you don't answer, don't don't don't uh just let me answer >> my friend. Let me let me make it simple for me and you. Who is your scholar in Islam?
>> What? Who is your scholar you learn from in Islam?
Don't tell me >> I use my brain.
>> Here we go. Here we go. No, no, no, no, no. So if I say to you, if I say to you now, I'm going to understand Islam as just using my brain. Okay, you use your brain. When when the prophet saidan take hair from your ass when you pray, do you use your brain?
>> And and I I will I will tell you something. If you want to dis >> do you be honest. Be honest. Do you use your Since when you Muslim use your brain? Since when you Muslims, my friend? Since when you Muslim use your brain? You believe Muhammad will give you virgin in the heaven? You believe Muhammad will give you boys in the heaven. You believe Muhammad he will give you an endless penis in the heaven.
And now you are telling me I use my brain. Do you >> what your criteria to judge what is wrong and right in hadith?
>> What? This is in the the Quran. The Quran says Allah will give you boys.
They are pretty.
Is it the Quran? You will tell me the Quran now is weak.
>> Just listen to me. Just listen to me.
>> My friend, are you going to say to me?
Are you going to say to me the Quran is weak? Is it the Quran promised you boys in the >> Quran and hadith is not weak.
>> My friend, is the Quran promising your boys in the heaven? Yes or no? Boys, they will not bleed and they are pretty and sexy. Yes or no?
You see it's okay.
>> Yes or no? What's wrong? I mean are you are you ashamed of it? Okay. Yes. So did you use your brain when you accept that?
I'm not changing the topic. I'm not a changing the topic. You are the one changing the topic. You keep saying to me I use my brain. I asked you can we go and see what scholars they say. You don't want to go there. Do you know why?
Because the scholar agree with me.
>> No. No. You're not.
>> So why you don't want why you don't want the scholars why you don't want the scholars to go and explain to us what we are discussing about? Is that a problem?
>> Are you against the Are you Are you saying the scholars are taking my side?
Yes or no?
>> Is the scholars taking you >> my friend? Don't tell me misunderstood me. Can we solve this issue between me and you by accepting >> make my arguments?
>> No, no, no, no. You know, you said you are you said to me you are you are just using your brain a sense when you are not a Muslim.
>> No, no, no. It's not just >> I'm asking you brain with >> my friend my friend my friend my friend I'm asking you if we want to understand this is it okay with you if we see what the scholars they said.
Yes. Yes. Yes. We >> Okay. Who is the scholar you like use our brain >> my friend? Who is the scholar of your choice? Can you tell me please who is your best scholar? The one can you give me the interpretation for this hadith from your scholar and I promise you in front of everybody you choose a scholar and whatever he's saying I'm not going even to discuss with you. Is that fair guys?
Whatever he say I am not going to discuss.
Let us see what your scholar says. Which one you want? Who is your scholar? The one you want. I >> I will tell you something. I will tell you something.
>> Tell me something.
>> When when you when you readit, >> you need an interpretation.
>> My friend, why you don't want to give me a scholar you agree to give us interpretation for this one? What's wrong? What is the problem?
I don't have I don't have with me the the the hadit and others it's it's need to say about it but we we discuss our understanding or my understanding in this hadit I wish I read to you something when you read hadith you need to enter this hadith and the same this same thing when you read the interreation of the scholar you need you need someone else to understand what this scholar understand from.
>> Hello.
>> Hello. Uh brother, how are you?
>> Uh fine. Who is with me?
>> Uh yeah. Uh I'm just the one four months before I just uh debate with you and later I converted.
>> Oh, you became a Christian, right?
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Good to have you, my friend.
How are you doing?
>> Yeah, good. Yeah, I'm fine. And uh uh actually I have seen all the evidences and uh they are in front of our eyes and uh I don't know why people denied and uh because uh they have been accepted uh until Christian apologetics uh came to expose those things because they were hidden inside because uh no they have been uh well accepted there is sah bkari and sahlim uh we used to accept all those things because nobody has doubt until uh people uh start exposing the things and I understand this guy because why he's just trying to defend uh uh as much as he can. That's what he's just trying to do. That's why I understand because uh you gave him the reference in front of the camera and he did not accept and I don't understand why. And also uh I think he got a lack of English because uh even you when you showed this verse to Kenny Bulmer, Kenny Bulmer did not reject this verse. You remember?
>> Yeah.
>> Because uh >> well anyway you know for for us I'm asking him okay let us go to and see what the scholars they say about that.
However however you know the the the thing is very clear. The Muslim they believe in destiny and Adam he is saying to Moses before we saw the hadith that why you blame me so we cannot blame Adam. So how we can say we cannot blame Adam for his sin because it is not his sin. I mean it's very simple right? If Adam say >> yeah it is where is and everybody know that >> yeah if Adam >> Muslims believe in if if the Muslim believe why the Muslim don't believe in the original sin because they believe Adam's sin is not his sin it is Allah who decide for Adam his sin and when when uh uh uh when Adam he says to Moses are you going to blame me for a sin or denied for me 40 years before my creation. What what Muhammad he said took the side of who? He took the side of Adam. Which mean which mean we cannot blame Adam for his sin. So how you say to me this is about knowledge. If you just admitted that Adam he commit no sin.
Are you going to blame me for a sin or denied for me?
People who they are watching do you see it how clear it is?
>> They can play as much games as they want. Muhammad he >> it's just like uh hide and seek uh because it is there's no they know that even the word says Bkari is you have no doubt and also I just want to ask you something uh uh based on the Quran or the hadith uh how was the uh Adam uh kicked out of heaven is it because he ate from the free. I don't get uh I I haven't really found a clear answer in >> there's no there's no answer by the way because if you remember in the >> why he was kicked out of Jenna.
>> Yeah. Uh if you if you read actually according to the Quran even that tree thing Allah he uh he forgave Adam you know uh it says okay >> uh he Adam uh he received words from his god okay he received words from his god so why Allah kicked him from heaven Any Muslim can't tell us why Allah kicked him out from heaven.
Chapter 2 verse number 37.
Read the translation.
Adam received from his Lord words which would which mean what? uh he to repent Adam he been forgiven and his lord to turn toward him and he was merciful so Allah he forget forgive Adam he's already forgiven why he is out >> he kicked them after he kicked him out of ja he forg no before before he kic him out he forgive him this is why Islam is doesn't make sense anyway because you forgive him and then you kick him out from from heaven You know >> if you go to any interpretation for this verse it says it clearly that Allah he forgave Adam. Let us go chapter 2 verse number 37. So the Muslim will not say I am making things up. It doesn't mean that I will go there. Here we go.
Chapter 2 verse number 37.
This is the Muslim interpretation not my interpretation.
Okay. Thereafter Adam received certain words from his lord which is inspired him vert reading of etc etc. Meaning that the word came to him those of those verses Lord have wronged ourself etc. And then he accepted his repentance. God did it say that do you do you see it? M >> he accepted the repentance of Adam.
Okay. Allah accepted the repentance of Adam and Allah forgive Adam. Why he kicked him out of weapon? Because this is his plan.
>> Same time how you need and why you need Adam to repent anyway. If Adam is saying according to Muhammad, this is not my fault.
It was Allah who wrote that in my va. Do you see how stupid it is? Why? Why even Adam need to repent for something? It's not his choice. Because here in the hadith, Muhammad made it clear that this is was the decision of Allah.
>> Yeah.
>> Was not the decision of of Adam. Adam, he is just a victim and you cannot blame me. And let me read carefully what Muhammad said. This is the statement of Muhammad. He said to him, "Oh, Moses, >> you are the one whom Allah selected for his message." and for his direct talk.
Yet yet, listen carefully. Yet you blame me for which for a thing which Allah or denied for me. What Allah or denied for him? The sin. You see the the the the Moroccan guy who called us, he said this is about Allah knowledge.
Correct.
>> Yeah.
>> He was arguing saying this is about knowledge. This is about about decision.
No, it says here or denied.
or denied. It is hard.
>> Yes. This is this is something Allah prepare for Adam to commit sin. It is not about Allah knowing Adam would do sin. So Muslims they try to lie as much as they can to solve problems in this cult. But this cult is fake is stupid.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I don't understand why they don't give uh direct reply.
uh because whenever uh you asked uh yes or no or no actually uh I tried my best when I was debating with Christians for many many years but later on what I did was I just want to advise for Muslim brothers and sisters uh they can go back to and refer uh to uh Islamic sources just like uh Alortoi and Iban Kir Deline and other Islamic sources and even and uh even also and they can refer all these uh things if they are Arabic speaker they can uh go and read them but uh when someone um because uh knowing the truth is not by defending uh uh the lies is because everybody wants to save uh in the end right >> you know when When you yourself when you used to call me, you used to call me to debate me.
>> Yes.
>> First time, first time you heard of me, what you thought about me? Be honest.
>> Uh uh >> I was just like a person who was sent by Israel and uh >> and the person who hates Islam.
>> A Jew. You thought >> and I was annoying.
>> I am a Ms. >> I was Yes. And Mossad. I thought you were Mossad. And uh we were a person just who was sent to destroy Islam and I was anger that you I was really uh uh I lost my temper. I remember even I took us uh uh a panadol uh most of the time because I used I used to love my religion uh honestly because I grew up with it uh because uh what I never saw it the way you understand but later uh I was thinking that you were giving your own explanation but later on I myself got to uh kier and all other resources and I found out that all these things are true. And uh why uh this was uh not uh tell why I was not told by uh scholars all the times because I was uh been learning the good things uh uh of even uh the word the salah means it's there's no meaning there is no different meaning uh just like salah when you say salah let's pray that is a literal meaning and I never thought that I never thought in different way because Allah and his angels pray on whom I don't understand until you said that and when I heard the word from you I start to notice that uh something uh is wrong in that verse and uh uh I was felt sorry and there are so many verses but uh uh actually uh there is no centralized book in Islam. Uh uh when you go to one shake the the other shake will tell you one thing and when you go to the other because there are different scholars uh because uh there are four major uh uh just like hamfi you know this all right >> right >> yes and everyone gives you his own suggestion and when you ask them uh you cannot use dawi I you cannot not use a logic uh in Islam. I think it's forbidden in Islam to use your own logic.
>> Yeah. But the funny >> just like water.
It's just like obey Allah and his messenger. This is what people do most of the time in Islam. That is the major problem what I see even it was my problem too.
>> Yeah. But you know you see that guy he called me. He said I use my I said which interpretation this one. He said I use my logic my brain. But here we go. It's in front of you, my friend. What is your brain when you believe that God will provide your women for sex? I mean, this is the brain. What What is the logic that Allah will abuse children just to make me happy? 80,000 little baby will serve me in heaven for eternity. This is heaven. So when Muslim they speak about logic, I mean what is the logic of all of this? If notice with me guys, Muhammad he is saying Adam he overcome Moses in this argument. So who is the one is right? Who is the one is wrong?
Adam is right and Moses is wrong. Moses believe in the original sin like us as Christians. Adam believed no it's not my sin it is the sin of Allah and Muhammad taking the side Muhammad you see Muhammad did not quote the story and finish it without saying who won the debate no Muhammad he took the side of the winner so Muhammad agree with Adam over Moses and Adam saying that my sin is ordenite for me 40 years before he created me and this guy he said it's about knowledge. No, this is not about knowledge. This is about he or denied it for you. This is why you cannot blame me because if this is was the sin of Adam, I can blame Adam for his sin. And you can blame me for my sin. For my sin is my sin. But because now it is ordenied before he was created, we cannot blame him. and Muhammad agreeing with Adam saying yes how we can blame Adam for what he commit as sin when this is was his fate so the Muslim they try to play all the games they wish but it doesn't work for simply it is written in my fate and or denied for me I cannot be blamed for my sin and then we ask ourself self all the sin we have it is written for us read with me carefully here Adam said do you blame me for an action which Allah had written in my faith it's a fate fate is not about knowledge you see how Muslim they lie even translating the word is not knowledge Allah he designed and he set a plan. He made it ready. So he decide how the sun goes. He decide how the moon goes. He decide how the earth goes. He decide how a tree grows. This is the decision of Allah. And here is the same Allah Adam 40 years before he created him and he decided for him that he will commit sin and this is what the hadith here proved to us. But those hadith are very harmful for Islam. So the Muslim today they try to give us false explanation to avoid the madness of this man Muhammad because he just told us that if you convert to Islam you go to heaven. If you do good deeds you go to heaven. If you do jihad you go to heaven. If you kiss the black stone you go to heaven. If you do if you pray the night of alad Allah will forgive your sin for 83 years. And now we find that all of this is garbage because it is written before we are created where we will go. And this why we see a child who never commit sin.
The Muslim who called me he said this is about Allah knowledge who will go to heaven who go to hell. But Muhammad is not teaching about a man who died yesterday. He might go to heaven. He might go to hell.
was talking about a child who was an infant and he commit no sin and he did not reach the age of sin. So what is the objection of Muhammad? Because he said Allah he wrote their destiny where they will go before he created them.
It is not about what you do. It's about your destiny. And this is what the whole story here is about. And the Muslim trying to get away with it. But you cannot get away with me. You can play games as much you know. And here the the the gentleman who was calling he himself he used to argue with me. He himself he used to be stubborn and then go and check and study and he will find and he found that Islam is a stupid religion. It cannot be from God.
You see why even why even Muhammad don't have this in the Quran?
Can't he make a verse in the Quran saying it clearly that you a time will come and you are there is a distance between you and heaven and arm and then what is written by Allah will take over.
Why he did not put where where Muhammad he got this example here from? Is that inspiration or this is fabrication?
>> If it's a fabrication, Muhammad is a false prophet. If it's inspiration, Islam is a stupid religion. So which one you choose?
I will leave that for the Muslims. Thank you my friend for calling and feel free to call us again tomorrow.
>> I read the message. I text you the message and I want you to read it.
>> All right. No problem. Thank you very much for calling.
>> Okay. On the Skype. Okay. Okay, brother.
Okay. Bye.
Uh I cannot do that.
uh let us see this guy one more time.
The Moroccan guy. How are you Mr. Muhammad?
>> How are you my friend? You see you was just to ask question and you you will never let me ask you questions. Okay, let let us make it simple. Can we blame Adam for his sin? Yes or no? I want an answer. Can we blame Adam for his sin?
Yes or no?
>> Yes, we can blame him because Allah give him the truth and they kill him. But this is not but Okay, hold on. Hold on.
But this is not what your prophet is.
>> Hold on. But this is not what your prophet Hold on. That I got the answer.
Don't go. No need for explanation. Now what? Just wait.
>> You're a prophet. Don't agree with you.
So who is wrong? Are you saying you're a prophet, >> my friend? Okay. Can you read the hat for me? Can you read the for me? Go ahead. Read it.
>> Yes. Read it.
>> It's in front of us. Read it.
Moses, Moses says to Adam, Moses says to Adam, "You are our for our father who disappointed us and turned us out of paradise."
Then Adam sent said to him, "Moses, Allah favored you with his talk to you directly and he wrote the Torah for you with his hands. Do you blame me for an action which Allah had written for in my fate 40 years before my creation?
Do you blame me? You said we can't blame you said we can't blame Adam saying do you blame me for something written by Allah and then your prophet said and Adam overcome Moses and he repeat that at three time.
So what do you mean we can blame Adam for his sin? Your prophet don't agree.
>> Do you know why? Do you know why? You >> why? Why?
>> Because I you because Adam he speak he speaks with God. When in the Quran God tell us that he he teach Adam the names of >> my friend who the story about name don't go. What is this have to do? Do you see >> man? Man, go. You're a kid. What this have to do with my story? Now Allah taught Adam the names. Who care? Who care my friend? Do you blame me? Adam say, "Listen, listen. Focus with me.
Don't go out." Adam says, "Do you blame me?" Listen, listen. Adam said, "Do you blame me about sin I did written by Allah for me?" Allah, prophet Muhammad said, and Adam overcome the argument of Moses. So Adam was right. Do you blame me? You said you cannot. You said we can blame Adam. Adam said you cannot blame me. And Muhammad agree with him. And now you are quoting me for me the story about teaching the name. What this have to do with this?
You you see you see I will I will kill you. Yeah. When when when God when uh when God tell Adam to do to do not eat apple and Adam he he he do the gifts what God did. After that, God teach them that this is to all humanity that if you do if you do something something that I I I told you to do it, you will you will go to to to hell. And this is the >> Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me ask you. Allah, he taught Adam that if you do this, this is before he ate from the tree or before after >> after. Okay, let me get you busted.
>> Yes.
>> Okay, hold on.
You Muslims are very funny. After, huh?
Okay, >> it's it's your interpretation, >> my friend. My friend. No, not my interpretation. Not my inter Stop saying my interpretation. It is not my inter How you know it's my interpretation, dude. Did I read anything for you?
>> Did I read anything for you? What's wrong with you? What do you mean after?
>> It's not about what you did. It's about what you interpretation.
>> My friend, my friend, according to chapter 2 verse number 37, Allah he he you know he accept the repentance of Adam. This is after he ate from the tree.
After he ate from the tree, Allah Allah forgive Adam. proof my ideas.
>> You said to me, you said to me, Allah told him, if you do this, this is after he ate from the tree. If you do this, I will send you out. Is that correct? You said that just now.
>> What >> you say? You said after Allah after Allah after after Adam ate from the tree >> Allah told Adam after that if you again if you do break my my words my teaching I will send you out of heaven. Is that correct?
>> No no you misunderstand me.
>> Okay explain to me when Allah decide to send Adam out of heaven for what what sin he did? What Allah what made Allah decide to get out Adam?
>> Just I want to ask you one question.
>> Don't ask me question for the sake >> guys. This guys >> it's easy my friend.
>> Each time we asked him a question he said to me I want to ask you one question. You are the one who open this topic. Can't we talk about it?
I mean what's wrong with you Muslims?
We are jumping like monkeys. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. You open this topic. Can't we talk about it? No, we cannot. Let us let let me ask you a question.
How clear it is your prophet taking the side of Adam saying you cannot blame me.
You cannot. Why? Because it is written in my faith. It's Allah. He or denied that for me before he created me. I am just a victim.
And you're a prophet saying Adam.
Allah apostle father said Adam overcome Moses's argument.
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