Would You Buy A Used Car From Carney?

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[00:00:01]Welcome to Inside Politics with Kevin Klein. Beyond the headlines, beyond the spin. Straight facts, sharp analysis, and common sense conversation you won't hear anywhere else. Let's get started.

[00:00:14]>> Welcome to another edition of Inside Politics. I'm Kevin Klein, and I am joined by two of my Winnipeg Sun colleagues. We have Robert Falcanoulette, the former Liberal MP for Winnipeg Center and a professor at the University of Ottawa. As well, we have Lawrence Pinsky KC, a former human rights adjudicator and a council with a very large law firm also here in uh Manitoba. Gentlemen, I want to talk about what I think is the biggest news right now, and that is that Canada has fallen into a recession. Uh, and it seems that the mainstream media didn't get the story, but uh, officially Stats Canada is coming out saying that we're in a technical recession because that's kind of the nice way to say it right now. If we have a couple of more quarters just like we've had, then we're in a big recession and there's no turning back for stats can after that.

[00:01:06]What are your thoughts? Cuz we've had Carney now for I'm going to check while we're on here how many days Carney has been in power and uh, he promised to turn things around and they're not being turned around. We're in a recession.

[00:01:17]What do you say to that?

[00:01:18]>> Well, the first question I have for people is, would you buy a used car from Mr. Carney? Cuz I wouldn't. Everything he says turns out to be backwards and wrong. There's so many examples of this.

[00:01:29]But let me first focus on the recession that we're in. Months and months ago, Kevin, uh, Royce and I, and I believe you all said we are headed to a recession. There's no doubt about it.

[00:01:42]We're going there. Unemployment's going to go up. uh Canadians will feel it over time. It's going to take a few months to weave its way through the actual economy and that's what we're seeing. Now, why do they say a technical recession?

[00:01:55]There's a few adjustments, but whether you call it a recession or whether you call it almost zero growth, it really is the same thing. We have approximately twice the unemployment rate of the United States, almost 7%. I think it's 6.9% last I looked. We have and other people have commented on this. This is remarkable. The highest rate of bankruptcies since the collapse of 2008. It actually we track that from 2009 but that was a direct fallout of what happened in 2008.

[00:02:26]We have the highest rate of bankruptcies, personal bankruptcies. We have enormous household debt and we have particularly in Ontario enormous numbers of families who are laid off from the auto sector. And it's just going to get worse and worse. The only reason it's not an even more profound recession is because of oil and gas.

[00:02:47]>> Yeah, >> that's the reality. And unbelievably, >> Mr. Carney and his liberals still have the same policies in place, exactly the same pieces of legislation that say you can't get oil and gas out. We have uh leaders in the oil and gas field and the pipeline field saying until those things are removed, we're not going to invest.

[00:03:08]And so, so we have major problems and it's just going to get worse. And um that's the reality. But at the same time, I've got to tell you, some Canadians that I speak to, intelligent people, in my view, somehow still are duped or something by Carney's doula tones. When you compare what he says here with what he just said in New York, it's shocking. I'll I'll let you pick it up there.

[00:03:36]>> Let Let's go from that point. First of all, Carney has been in office for 442 days. And yet again, I've said it on our last show, you can't point to one thing he's done that has helped the Canadian economy. Um, I want to give Robert a chance to talk about as a former Liberal MP. I want to give him a chance to talk about that. But when your country goes into a recession, that's a big deal.

[00:04:00]Bells should be ringing. There should be emergency meetings. They should be doing whatever they can right now. But Carney really is, in my opinion, and I think Lawrence had it right, sitting back saying, "Well, Alberta, Alberta has oil and we're taking all of that money, so we're not in a full-blown recession because of that, so we're we're okay.

[00:04:17]We'll keep things going the way they are." I mean, Robert, you you've got to admit this is this is bad news for Mark Carney.

[00:04:26]>> It certainly is not news. uh but as uh I used to be on the finance committee and uh what we used to say is a technical uh recession you know as you put in the quotation marks uh is very very important so they don't say it's a recession they call it a technical recession so we're not at the dooms moment uh if we do look at the quarters you know it was uh a contraction of 0.1% and then last quarter it was 1% and then there was a plus 2% % minus 1% 3 plus 3% plus 3%. So things seems to be going along okay. Uh and now they've getting now they are getting worse. Uh I was talking to a a military member out here in Ontario who's being posted from Montreal and he can't sell his house. He said he's gotten not gotten any officers. He's had to put in some extra bonuses, some cash back to anyone who buys the house. So he's getting a little bit worried cuz he needs to sell the house to purchase a new house. So he's like, "Well, we might have to go into the PMQs while I sell the other house."

[00:05:29]And it does have impacts right across the across the country. So, you know, housing sales are are not great right now. Um, but you know, Mark Carney, uh, you know, maybe he's just going to start spending more money. We don't know. As you know, that has an inflationary impact. Uh, the bank with their inflation, uh, you know, the interest rates. Who knows what they're going to do? I'm sure they're tearing their hair out right now. in the Bank of Canada with the Ministry of Finance trying to figure out what it is they should be doing.

[00:05:58]>> But but but let's look at this and I I'll note that you're in a you're at an army base somewhere in Ontario. You were freezing up there a little bit on us. So uh I want uh viewers to know that uh Robert is uh hard at work uh on a Canadian military base somewhere in Ontario. Is it a se I think it's a secret military base. Uh it sounds better if I say it's a secret military base. Um, I I agree I agree to your point that the government's going to immediately try to figure out how they can spend more money. But that would be the biggest mistake ever. Where are they going to spend it? That's going to help the economy. And how do you help the economy? By borrowing and borrowing more and more and more and more money. That's why we're in the situation we're in. We had Mark Carney 442 days ago tell us he was going to solve the trade issue with the United States. And what did he do this this recent week? He flip-fpped even though he can't do a pancake. He can't flip-flop a pancake. He flip-flopped while talking to US investors saying, "America only succeeds with Canada." And then he disappointed Trump. So, here we are back again to Trump making statements Canada only will succeed as the 51st state. You know, it's remarkable to me. This is why I say, would you buy a used car from this guy? I wouldn't because you can't rely on anything he says. You can, and don't take this as investment advice, you could invest in Brookfield cuz rest assured that will keep going up. But what you can't do is trust anything he says on policy. He comes in promising he's going to get a deal by July 2025.

[00:07:33]No deal. He says elbows up. He's the guy who can get the deal. He's the smart guy. Completely a complete turnaround when he and frankly the premier of Manitoba insult Mr. Trump, insult the Americans, try to make them the enemy, exactly the opposite, aligning, interestingly, with China. And now he goes to New York and tells the people there two very interesting things. One is he repeats the make America great with Canada strong nonsense. And I don't know how liberals in man in Canada are going to rationalize that cuz 3 minutes ago that was the enemy, the the cursed word you couldn't say. And now suddenly uh Mr. Carney says and that's okay. The other thing he said >> flipflop >> which >> of course it's it's complete flip-flop and and Robert I I just went watch instead of pulling their hair out remove what was bill C9 remove the restrictions on oil and gas remove the restriction on getting oil to tide water remove all get out of the way it's basic economics but what >> yeah but I don't think it's going to be these huge projects that save us it's the medium and small >> hang Hang on. Just allow me to finish if you don't mind. What um if they got out of the way and allowed oil and gas to be developed because that's the one thing that's keeping us out of what would be called a full-blown recession, frankly.

[00:08:57]And so if we did that, got out of the way less restrictive, then we could actually boom and we should boom. The problem is it's not consistent with Mr. Carney's learned philosophy of elitism and government intervention. That's the problem. It's taught in Oxford. That's where that's taught. It's taught at Harvard and it's wrong. It's wrong economics. It's been proven throughout history that that doesn't work. We see it in the United Kingdom. We see it all over the place. It does not work and it's not going to work here. But that's the solution.

[00:09:32]>> Lawrence, you said there was one more thing that Mark Carney said in New York.

[00:09:35]>> Right. This is this is changing gears a little bit. Right.

[00:09:39]>> He unbelievably said that he was prepared to send Canadian troops >> to quote unquote Palestine, by which I think he means Gaza, to enforce, mind you, to not to keep, but to enforce peace, which doesn't exist. A kamas is still completely armed, would kill a bunch of Canadians who are underfunded, underpaid, underequipped. Robert, you're on a base.

[00:10:05]You know that that's true. And I know the government has announced more funding for the military, but it hasn't siphoned it all its way through. It makes zero sense. Nobody agreed to that.

[00:10:16]And it's a disaster for Canadian men and women who are serving if they're sent to face kamas. They're not equipped for it.

[00:10:24]Nobody voted for it. And uh it's shocking to me that he would say that.

[00:10:28]>> But keep what peace? Sorry guys, I got to ask you this. I mean, let's go back to But what does that mean? Are you going to are you going to fight against Israel then because they're the bad guys or are you going to fight against the terrorist group the Hamas?

[00:10:40]>> He wants he he says to enforce not to keep to enforce >> but what's there is no peace there. So it's to fight kamas presumably which is crazy cuz Canadian men and women will be killed for this terrorist organization that he himself fueled. Kamas thanked him when he recognized Palestine. It is so asinine what this genius from Harvard and Oxford has done to Canada. It's unbelievable.

[00:11:11]So that's what's going on. Robert, >> what I will say is Mark Carney, I think they the Liberals, I'm not but I think they uh they do need to they have their their method and they the goal is to wait outweight uh Donald Trump. The goal is to get past the midterms uh to see a bit of reduction in the power of Donald Trump to see if they can get a better deal or even to wait even longer than that. Um I don't think they want to have a deal really with this president. Uh the I think the issue is Mark Carney seems to be poking the bear a little bit at times and I think you need to stay away from the bear if you don't want to deal with the bear. Uh if you don't want to fight the bear, stay away from the bear.

[00:11:55]>> Yeah.

[00:11:56]>> And so maybe he shouldn't have gone to New York. He should be he should come to Winnipeg. He should go to Edmonton or he's spending a lot more time in Alberta because I think Alberta's got a lot of troubles right now and that's where he should be focused his energy on uh and not uh I know he needs to go people say he should go into to talk to the Americans.

[00:12:16]>> Yes, >> I think to have a whole of government approach to this. They need to be working with all the MPs, the senators, all the political parties, uh, going down to United States, down to the states, MLAs going down and making sure we just continue to make our case quietly and slowly how we want to be friends with the Americans and how we want to have good relations with them. This can be solved.

[00:12:41]>> We want to be having big things in the media.

[00:12:44]>> This can be solved pretty quick.

[00:12:45]>> Yeah, but he does also doesn't want to roll over. Like we don't want to give up all sorts of stuff.

[00:12:49]>> Yeah. I I I'm going to note that the Canadian government can't even afford good internet on their military bases.

[00:12:55]Um so I don't know how we're going to do anything else, but but I want to say this. It is was right for Carney to go to the US, but you know what? He has to go and sit down with Trump. I don't care what people think about Trump. I don't care what people think about Carney. I don't care. I care about Canada. I care about Canadians. And we are in a recession. If you want to call it a technical recession, go ahead. because that gives you flapping wings like elbows up. But the reality is is we're in a recession and we are losing investors and we've been losing investors since the day he was elected 442 days ago and we were losing them when when his friend that he worked for Justin Trudeau was prime minister. So yes, I think he should be spending full time in the United States trying to get something done because guess what? He can't wait until the primaries and that's not going to change Trump. If he loses more seats, he's just going to become more angry. He's going to become more like he was in the first term.

[00:13:53]We're in a recession.

[00:13:54]>> Are we going to get a good deal from Trump? Can we trust Donald Trump? Would we not reneg on his deal >> on July 2nd though? He could he could walk away and say, "Here's your six months warning. I'm done." And and not only that, I mean, we can look at successful countries in dealing with Mr. Trump who's very transactional. Look at what Mexico is doing, how much smarter they are. Look at what King Charles, my god, what King Charles got accomplished when he visited and he's just a constitutional monarch. So there's and I got to say that it's I agree with what Mr. Carney said in New York. We should be fortress North America. We should be strong together. All of that is true.

[00:14:36]The problem is he like Trump's not an idiot. Marco Rubio is not an idiot. Even JD Vance is not an idiot. These folks know what Mr. Carney is saying in Canada and in Europe and at Davos. They know that. They know what his philosophy is.

[00:14:52]They know the ridiculousness that Premier Canoe mocks Mr. Trump >> or President Trump. They know that stuff. So the fact that he turns around and misleads again finally on the right course is really problematic. There is if if I was an American, I would repose zero confidence in this confidence man that we call our prime minister. It's it's unbelievable how bad he's being.

[00:15:18]But I do agree that what like for example what Daniel Smith did, she went down to the United States tried to make nice that was the right approach not to be weak, not to make any terrible deal to be strong but strong together. And that's what Carney finally said in New York. But the problem is who can trust him? He's he's as trustworthy as Mr. Trump's posts on social media.

[00:15:44]>> I would actually encourage uh if the government really wanted to get in the grace of Donald Trump, what they should be thinking about is inviting him to the Ottawa for a state visit and wine him and dine him. But that means you have to stand on a stage with him and you can't say critical things of him. You have to celebrate him. You have to boost his ego. You have to make him kill the center of attention that he's the most important person.

[00:16:09]>> And that's what the British did. They had a state visit. Charles Kh went back to the United States for another state visit. Uh Donald Trump loved it. He loved the carriage ride, the military bands. He went to China and got the same treatment from Shishi Ping and they came up with some great deals. Are we willing to do that as Canadians, the Liberal Party, uh to stand on a podium with Donald Trump and and wave uh Trump flags, you know, Trump uh 2028 flags? Are we willing to put on those hats? I don't think the government is willing to do it. I think it would enrage their base, but sometimes you have to, you know, sometimes you have to eat your vegetables. Sometimes you just do the things that's right.

[00:16:50]>> I totally agree with you. If we think back in history not that far, Brian Moroni did exactly that with Reagan and everyone was afraid of Reagan at the time that he was a a wararmonger and all this other stuff. Turns out he was a great president, but people were afraid at the time, myself included. And Brian Moroni did that at the Shamrock Summit in Quebec. I was there and uh uh and uh >> I can see your Irish eyes are shining there, Lawrence.

[00:17:17]>> That's exactly right. And uh and that's exactly what has to what should have happened and still could happen. Uh even China has done it although Canada and China are the two biggest countries who've tried to do this weird elbows up dance which China can afford but Canada can't. So, um, I agree with you that's what should occur. And he and I also agree with you that the prime minister instead of insulting Albertans for having a referendum on whether they should have a referendum should be there selling the opportunity that Canada poses for them. But the way he should do that is by getting rid of the barriers to trade. Of course, he'll never do that.

[00:17:59]>> Well, I mean, 40 442 days he hasn't done anything. Let's be honest about this. Uh he's he gives great speeches. I'm going to give him that. He is wonderful at a podium. He is calm, cool, collected. He knows his stuff. He he likes to pres He likes to talk. He likes to hear himself.

[00:18:19]And I agree. I was going to bring up the fact that when he put out that it was a, you know, a bluff, that the separate the separatist move in Alberta was a bluff and be careful. I thought, well, that was probably the biggest mistake you made. On top of that, you get Wobb Canoe, uh the uh Premier, sorry, oh, I almost blew that one. Uh premier of Manitoba, who comes out and talks down to Premier Daniel Smith when he has his hand out first among all the provinces to get $5 billion in transfer payments a year and we're still in debt. Uh why would you bite the hand that feeds you?

[00:18:54]I wrote an article about that and I got to tell you some of the people on Twitter, some of the left-leaning people on Twitter. I have no idea where they're coming from. They're like, "Oh, he did the right thing and someone has to tell her, you know, she can't leave Canada."

[00:19:06]That's not that's not how you win this.

[00:19:08]You you don't win a hockey game by going into the corner and fighting every time you're on the ice. You spend most of your time in the box, right? So, why would you why would you even try? Why wouldn't you just talk to Alberta? We know what the problem is. They're under reppresented because of our system. So that's a problem. And they're getting uh they feel they're not being heard by the Canadian government because they want to get their oil to market and the rest of Canada is stopping them. All Daniel Smith is doing. This isn't even on separation. That's what kills me. This is all about should we even have >> this is the uh this is the crazy part about the referendum question is it's not really a question about separation.

[00:19:48]about having a question on separation which people could then vote for which sends things even to more chaos at some point. And I think uh the premers should have probably sat down uh in camera behind closed doors and said what is our strategy uh to actually talk to Albertans about how important they are to Canadians and how we appreciate them and what we can do to make Alberta feel included. I remember back in 2015, 16,1 17, Albertans felt enormously ignored because they didn't feel that their economic needs were being looked after.

[00:20:26]There was a recession in Alberta. Rest of Canada was doing well, but Albertans were suffering. And that's where a lot of this comes from because people didn't feel that they were, you know, being heard. They didn't have the good jobs that they were used to. People were in debt. People were losing their homes.

[00:20:39]Edmonton, Calgary, Fort McMurray weren't doing well. And today we're reaping the consequences of some of the decisions that were made. Now, Robert, Robert, we wanted to talk about the environment.

[00:20:51]>> And I'm going to tell you, there's a lot of reasons why Alberta feels bad about being in Canada. There's a lot of reasons why they're upset. You can't have big brother telling you what you can do and what you can't do all the time. And you're the one that's feeding all the money. How many trillions of dollars? And I used the letter T. How many trillions of dollars do you think Alberta's given in uh transfer payments?

[00:21:17]How much do they give a year? What is it? It's in the billions how much they give a year, right? So, I mean, how many trillions have they given to Canada? And what has Canada done for them? Nothing.

[00:21:26]What did Trudeau do? Well, when I was there, we called it the Trudeau salute.

[00:21:30]I think you know what that is. He gave the Trudeau salute. What did his son do?

[00:21:33]Nothing. His son went and said, "Oil's bad. Oil's bad. Alberta's bad. They shouldn't have oil." So I I mean I think you're and I don't say this very often about you. I think you're completely wrong. I I think that what what she's doing is she's giving the people a chance to say, "Do you want to have the vote on separation?" And then they got to start doing the work towards that to have a real vote. I think this was the right >> that's a workar around the judge's ruling that she couldn't have a vote.

[00:21:58]>> Okay. Well, that's okay. It's my turn.

[00:21:59]People have a right to be heard. People have the right to be heard.

[00:22:02]>> It's my turn because I have a right to be heard.

[00:22:04]>> I agree. I wrote an article right two weeks ago. But >> so Robert, wait Robert, >> Lawrence has a right to be hired.

[00:22:13]>> So, and forgive me folks for like I I'm laughing, but it's not funny in a sense.

[00:22:18]But let's go back for a sec. It's not just economic. There are substantial substantial cultural differences.

[00:22:26]>> Yes. in Alberta versus Ottawa, uh, central Canada for example, whether it's DEI, whether it's this nonsense of keep the oil in the ground, which is, it's not that Trudeau did nothing. He actually stifled growth before Harper came in. I remember uh, the slogan was the West wants in. Well, they got in for a while and then Trudeau came in and completely locked them out. And now a number of Albertans in the 30 to 40% range are saying enough already. We tried it before. We've we've gone to this before. Now I want Alberta to stay in Canada. I want also them though to be respected. I want them to get their oil to market. I want them not to have DEI nonsense, absolute nonsense imposed upon them. So I want them to feel at home. the way we do that and I should say Daniel Smith I thought this was a really smart way because she has a big element of her party who says enough already we're done. So this satisfies the the legislation she passed that satisfies give giving people a voice but it also doesn't offend the uh court decision because it's going to take a long time for that to wind its way through the court. So it's a good compromise. I think a smart one. I think what Mr. uh um Carney ought to be doing and and others in the federal government is saying this is why we want you in. We do love you. This is what we'll do. This is how we'll respect your autonomy. Just like in Quebec when back in the day my Canada includes Quebec. Well, my Canada includes an autonomous respected Alberta and also a respected Quebec that also is the f that represents the French nation and the French fact in Canada. We should be able to do that. That's the miracle.

[00:24:17]That was the miracle of Canada. And um it's disappointing to me that Mr. Carney is now really, forgive me for saying, but crapping on Miss Smith, as is the premier of Manitoba. Oh, completely wrongfully. What about Eie?

[00:24:32]>> He did the same thing. The premier of British Columbia.

[00:24:37]I'm just going to try to talk over Robert for a second because he's at a military base and they don't have very good internet. Um the EIE came out also kind of went after attacked Premier Smith. I think that you're right, Lawrence, we have to talk to Alberta as part of Canada. And Robert, if you want to know what really bothered a lot of Albertans is that they elected senators and the prime ministers, many prime ministers have never recognized their elections. So if you're not going to let the people speak and you're not going to listen to the people, you shouldn't be there. your turn.

[00:25:10]>> When I was in the House of Commons, I actually said we should I do have a right to speak, but when I was in the House of Commons, I actually said uh to the prime minister that he should actually uh appoint the senators from Alberta if they had been elected uh because that's the legislation and he should respect the will of the people.

[00:25:28]They haven't done that. They actually appointed liberals uh or non they weren't liberals. they were people who had applied who had certain leanings uh in or certain ideological beliefs what you know whatever uh but the end of the day it wasn't the people who were actually elected and I knew some of those people who were elected I'd met them and I said to myself well this is what Manitoba should have been doing under Brian Pallisterry he should have put forward legislation like that uh Scott Mo should be putting forward legislation like that taking taking back the power giving it to the people from their uh their province But the I think for me when I look at Mark Carney, I think he is actually from Alberta. He's from Northwest Territories, but he also grew up in Edmonton. He should have an understanding of Alberta. He should be able to fight and include Alberta in that. Obviously, he was trained at Oxford. He comes from generally he has a lot of connections to Ottawa and the Laurentian elite, but at the end of the day, he should be able to manage this in Canada. Uh you know, perhaps he's inherited uh some long-term feelings and, you know, Trudeau senior, the old Trudeau, Pierre Trudeau with Justin Trudeau, the younger, uh, you know, combined have, uh, gotten people very upset and he's got a lot of work to do.

[00:26:46]The issue I think as well is like how do you deal with all of this without opening the constitution, without getting Quebec upset at the same time, keeping First Nations happy as well, uh keeping this confederation, this community somehow content and yet still uh responding to people's needs. Very, very hard. It's easier if people have good jobs, the economy is doing well, and you have to go back to small and medium-sized businesses. Uh, Robert, to your point, whether it's the mega projects that he's stifling or the fact that we're so horribly taxed, there's such a disincentive to people to earn more, to do better. Why? Because the government has their hand in everyone's pocket. And not a gentle finger, not like a a gentle Oliver Twist sort of pickpocket, a grotesque claw that goes in and grabs over 50%. It looks to me when you tally up all the taxes, you if you buy anything, there's a tax. If you sell, there's a tax. When you die, there's a tax. When you're like every step of the way, there's overt taxation.

[00:27:58]So that higher income people are taxed over 65% of their income goes and that's in dangerous territory that leads to people leaving the country. So there's a brain drain. Entrepreneurs, educated people leave to make a go of it in the United States or elsewhere in low tax countries. um quite apart from the uh frankly the anti-semitism that this this prime minister is fueling in his government causing lots of people of uh that faith who were Jewish to look for refuge elsewhere. That's the reality of Mark Carney's Canada. Keep the oil in the ground, talk a lot, achieve nothing and um create really havoc in the economy while his personal investments are doing quite well. Thank you very much. So, um I I do agree with you, Robert. There's a a middle income like the entrepreneurial sector, but why would they stay here?

[00:28:53]>> Why aside from your family being here, aside from >> don't really have a choice. Most people like if you think about the average person, people are not mobile as a very >> But think about what you're saying.

[00:29:06]>> Your family is here, you've got grandparents, but if you go like why would the Americans take you? You need to be so skilled to go down to the states. You need to be a doctor. You need to have a high type of degree that people have.

[00:29:20]>> No, Robert, that's false. You don't need that green card to work in the States.

[00:29:24]Now, it's very difficult.

[00:29:25]>> No, that's not true. That's not accurate. You can be an investor down there. You can buy get into your own company. They'll let you down there.

[00:29:31]Different types of visas that get you in there. But for I want to say this to Lawrence's point. I >> But but but and and that's what I'm talking about. But I want to go back to what Robert said. It should not be the case that people want to flee but can't.

[00:29:45]And that's what you said essentially, which is it's not that easy to go. It shouldn't be that people want to flee.

[00:29:51]Those two kids that Kevin just talked about should want to stay. Should we should be the land of opportunity as we once were instead of the land that people are looking to flee from, but maybe they can't because their loved ones are here or they can't have the money or or whatever it is. It's backwards. And that's this is a huge curse and problem. I I don't want to be so negative and I'm going to tell you two good things afterwards, two great court decisions, but but but this is a huge problem economically and it's self self-imposed. The problem, as I said once before, is can is in the mirror.

[00:30:27]Canadians need to look in the mirror and say we are on the wrong course >> and fix it. There's still time, but we got to fix it. I listen let's end because Robert had some wrap this up but uh again I'll state 442 days neither one of you can give me one thing neither one of you can point to one thing that this government has done to make life better not one of you can do that >> may I share one good thing though I I agree with you I I don't see a good thing so this is this goes back to the cowin lower court decision in BC I'll just touch on it for a second there's two really good decisions one out of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal that said that indigenous title does not trump free uh sorry fee simple title. You can get damages but you can't upset fee simple. Supreme Court of Canada refused leave. Uh so that means >> who pays the damages Lawrence?

[00:31:22]>> It would be government of Canada or or provincial. would not be yes it comes it comes out of taxpayers dollars if they are not saying that there are damages but if there's a claim it's in damages it's not that you can attack v simple that's one thing the second thing is uh a 2024 case um from the Alberta court of appeal Wesley said that limitations apply to indigenous land claims which means they can't come back and say there's all this land stuff so the likelihood now is what we talked about ages ago which is probably the lower court decision in Kawichan was wrong. Um it is they're trying to reopen and they'll go to the court of appeal and do all sorts of things, but uh it looks likely now that that will be uh overturned by the BC Court of Appeal or the Supreme Court. So, a couple good decisions. It sometimes people say the court makes mistakes and sometimes of course they do because they're human, but we got to give them kudos when they get it right and they got it completely right in my view.

[00:32:22]>> No.

[00:32:24]So, we're doing all the good news now at the end.

[00:32:26]>> Sure. If you want, you've got some good news. You're frozen again. So, you you look sad, but that's all right. Go ahead.

[00:32:34]>> You don't look happy. I'll tell you about the uh uh so the health minister more uh doctors from the United Kingdom over 50 doctors and paramedel to potentially come to Manito and the cost was around $200 in promotional cost relatively cheap I think for healthare profession. So kudos.

[00:33:08]>> So we lo So that's an internet problem.

[00:33:10]But let me just say what he said uh to do him some fairness. Um he talked about the minister of health of Manitoba who went over to the United Kingdom uh to attract medical professionals to Manitoba. Uh the bill that she incurred for doing that was not insane. I can't remember what the number was. I think Robert said 200,000, but I'm not sure.

[00:33:32]and uh she apparently attracted I thought it was 54 nurses but maybe it was doctors and nurses to Manitoba and Robert was giving her credit and I think he has an article in this week's son uh I think Robert's coming back hopefully it'll be a better connection and uh he was giving her credit >> okay good I I was trying to do credit to what you were saying but you can go ahead >> I was thanking her for at least for a couple $200,000 getting over 50 paramedical to uh come to Manitoba potentially. Now, obviously, there's a lot of things that need to happen.

[00:34:07]>> That's what I was going to say. We lose over 30. Yeah, potentially.

[00:34:13]>> But we do also lose up to 34% of our medical graduates from the province.

[00:34:17]They go elsewhere, perhaps the United States. Uh we need to do a better job of keeping people here.

[00:34:23]>> Okay. So, two observations. One is the policies that Mr. Carney is following are the same ones that we see out of Mr. Starmer in the United Kingdom. The fact that people are fleeing there and maybe don't know what's going on in Canada is an interesting situation. That's number one. And number two is I think the correct approach, it's nice to sort of attract people, but the longer term solution is to open up more positions to train Manitobans to be doctors, people with actual ties to Manitoba who want to be here. Every province should be doing that. um opening up more spots, opening up more spots uh for residency in putting more of our money into the areas at university where we need people. Not, you know, areas that we don't need more people. We don't need more nonsense, but a practical approach like Finland uses.

[00:35:12]That's what we should be doing in Canada. We're not doing it. But it's nice that uh the minister went out to the UK and is trying. I give the minister credit for trying. However, it turns out even if we get two, it's something. Although at $200,000 for two, it's a bit of an expense. Anyway, >> I think it was last year that I had a friend whose son graduated as a doctor from the University of Manitoba and now lives in Florida.

[00:35:34]>> Yeah.

[00:35:34]>> Um I mean, he he did not stick around.

[00:35:37]He's got >> I will reply to >> and that's the reality. That's the reality right now. And I think it goes back to the problem with Canada.

[00:35:45]>> It is difficult to find all the reasons, especially right now, all the pros. If you're doing a list of pros and cons, it's really hard. It's really hard for young people who say, "Yes, I want to stay in Canada." When they look at how much money they've got to pay to the government, and what do they get in return? And politicians have to start thinking about that list. What's the pros and cons of staying in Canada?

[00:36:08]Well, hopefully the changes will happen that there are more pros than cons, but these young people, and I've talked to their parents, they had they did the same thing, right? and they had way more cons uh than pros for staying in Canada.

[00:36:22]>> Super sad.

[00:36:24]>> Numbers don't lie.

[00:36:25]>> All right. Do you have something else you wanted to add, Robert, before we uh sign off?

[00:36:28]>> Well, sometimes uh you know, I know Lawrence said that England uh people don't know what it's like in Canada, but sometimes ignorance is bliss. Uh when you don't know, >> so sad.

[00:36:40]>> I'm going to cry. It's terrible. Anyway, um it's it's a fascinating thing to watch. Just just one final thing. I this is before my time. Barry Goldwater when he was running for president and he got trounced said he'd rather be right than president. I would rather have Pierre Polv be prime minister and a little less right. He's been right across the board on the economy, but he has to get elected. Being right in opposition is not good enough. He has to get elected and somehow he has to find the path to do that because Mr. Carney will not change. Um I I don't think uh Carney uh especially given his personality and ego and what's happening in the country. I don't think Carney's going to call an election until the very last day. Um because we're in a recession, he's going to try to wait and see if we get out of it. He's more I mean even if he comes out with a big spending budget, he enough people would vote against that that he's not going to call an election.

[00:37:35]So I think we have Carney uh we've had him now for 442 days and I think we're going to have him for the full five years. I think he'll stick around full five years that he's allowed to stick around before an election is called, unfortunately. Robert, you were a Liberal MP. You're not now. And I I acknowledge that. But uh what do you think? Do you think can you see Carney honestly calling an election early?

[00:37:57]>> Uh no. His coalition is starting to crumble there with Steve Gibo, the former advir environment minister, upset over Alberta and perhaps a potential pipeline or even just thinking about doing one. He's left the uh the House of Commons, resigned from cabinet.

[00:38:13]>> Uh good news. I'm not sure what First Nations is going to do.

[00:38:16]>> Uh good news for some, bad news for others, but you know, the Liberals do have a coalition. And I'm sure Mark Carney is treading a very tight tight line, a tight rope there, trying to satisfy everyone. And with the economy not doing well, it's going to be another issue. Uh especially if thei US economy uh grows. Um, you know, I guess the war in uh Iran uh between the US and Iran, the state of Hormuz has had some impact, but maybe we'll continue to get more money from Alberta to prop up uh Liberal spending because they do make money when oil is price is high, right?

[00:38:50]>> We wouldn't have as big of the impact as we have today if we were able to have our gas or oil get across the country and get to different markets. So if we had a pipeline like we've all been saying for a long time, that problem would have been solved. So we would be in a very different position today than we are uh with or without the uh Iran crisis with what >> so Mark Carney might have to sacrifice some BC MPs who signed apparently signed a letter against uh any uh oil development. He might have to sacrifice him in the overall uh calculation. Is it a sacri why is it a sacrifice? Why is it a sacrifice the right thing to do?

[00:39:32]Because then you might lose government.

[00:39:34]>> You know, he's got a razor majority.

[00:39:39]He's on the edge of tipping either way all the time. So, if he loses even a couple seats, and people are numbers counters. They count those numbers.

[00:39:46]There's people in every political party that sit there counting numbers.

[00:39:51]>> I'm so I'm so tired of party politics like that. I'm just I'm tired of it because it doesn't help the country. 150 200 years of this and we're getting nowhere now. Like it has to stop where you're worried about what how many votes you might win or lose. What's right for the country? Have the strength to stand up and say, "I know a lot of people are against this, but this is right for the country." People are going to food banks that have never been to food banks. We need to create more wealth in Canada. We need to get our minerals out of the ground. He can do that tomorrow. Change the legislation now. That's how you fix this. I am. It's not your fault, Robert, but I I'm so tired. Even when I talk to political friends that I have that are conservatives, and I was a politician, it's like, oh, it's all about the numbers. It's all about getting votes.

[00:40:37]So, when is it going to be about the people who pay you? When is it going to be about doing the right thing? Because it hasn't been yet.

[00:40:44]>> Yes, I agree with you. I completely uh we need the Spike Lee party. Do the right thing. That's that's that's what we need. And you're going to hate me for saying this. Um like Pierre Puv has been consistent throughout about all these things. It's not just about building a pipeline. It's about getting the oil and gas and minerals out of the ground. It's building that reality when even that is more environmentally safe from a global perspective than the nonsense of keeping it in the ground in Canada and letting China and India go crazy on coal and pollute and pour more carbon into the atmosphere that floats around the planet. It's it's ridiculous. Uh but that's what we're dealing with. And um I I I don't know if Canadians like that Pierre's sort of frankness and the fact that he's correct. I don't know if they like that. At least a number like some people do. I'm seeing it mixed in my circles. Some people don't like how what they perceive as aggressive. But if you're not strong in the defense of Canada and if you're not strong as the leader of the opposition, what the hell are you doing in that job?

[00:41:58]I tell them that.

[00:41:59]that his role, but governments uh aren't uh governments aren't defeated by others. They're defeated by themselves.

[00:42:05]And so that's correct. Mark Carney for the moment still has, you know, he has his wonderful gray hair, his soothing voice, and it's very reassuring. And >> when will it be time for Canadians? When will politicians worry about what Canad are happening to Canadians on a daily basis?

[00:42:26]Mark Carney will never have to worry about putting food on his table ever.

[00:42:30]His kids will never have to worry. He has that much money that it even would go down to his grandkids and great grandkids that he never they never have to worry about putting food on the table. But more Canadians worry about putting food on the table today than in the past 101 15 years.

[00:42:46]>> Yeah.

[00:42:46]>> And homelessness is up.

[00:42:48]>> That's really what we should be that's what we should be focusing on and talking about. Anyways, I can go on but that's enough.

[00:42:56]I think a lot of I think a lot of us are paying attention but that's why there's this rise of all these podcasts individuals who come forward who really historically whatever they did it it wasn't this but it's out of a love and a worry for Canada and its future and I I I think it's right to call it out. I don't understand how mainstream med well I do understand I'll take that back.

[00:43:19]It's about money why they're doing what why mainstream media is doing what they're doing. Um, and that's it's not the whole problem, but it's part of the problem. We should do another podcast on that one day, but uh this has been I think we've gone on long enough. It's hard to hear Robert, which isn't fair to Robert or people. So, >> I like this podcast with the people here because we're all educated.

[00:43:41]>> It's not just crazy people spouting around with crazy ideas.

[00:43:44]>> Well, we try we try not >> a lot of experience, well educated crowd.

[00:43:48]>> Yeah. Well, you know, we've been called worse. I mean, we're both politicians.

[00:43:52]Uh, so we've been called worst. Listen guys, sorry that and for you watching, we apologize that Robert was kind of in and out, but it was great that he could join us from Ontario where he's uh doing work uh with the military and that's fantastic and I salute you for that, Robert. Thank you for doing that work.

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