Transalpine Brother On An Abusive Pope: 'You Have To Call The Police'

Added: 2026-05-06

[00:00:00]Well, we are now joined by brother Nicodemus, brother Gabriel Maria, and brother Aiden from the community of the Trans Alpine Redemptrists. And uh I'd like to ask uh all of you if you could share anything that you'd like to additionally explain about today's program, about the the topic itself, and what other people who are watching should actually know. Uh brother Nicodemus, would you be mind uh kind to start us off?

[00:00:26]I'd like to to say a few words for people who are in a quandry or people who are wondering what to do in this situation. I've lived uh in the congregation for many years and lived through many iterations of uh of tradition. Uh and so these are just things that helped me. I thought they might help other people.

[00:00:52]Uh the first is that I think there's a certain conspiracy within the traditionalist world to hide uh the conclusion that we've reached.

[00:01:04]>> Uh there's a lot of what I would call traditionalist chithat which takes place over tables uh after mass and such like in which you hear all kinds of theological propositions which you never really study and you never really get past. Uh the first one I'd like to I'd like to say which I think is helpful is uh on the question of the papacy we have the opinion of St. Robert Bellamin who is a doctor of the church and this is continually juxtaposed against uh theologians such as Kadan or Suarez and etc. What people never seem to take into account is that St. Robert Bellamman is very clear and that he's a doctor of the church.

[00:01:51]The church shouldn't make him a doctor of the church for fun. It's because he has something to teach us and he is a superior teacher to all of those other theologians and therefore his opinion can in my opinion be followed safely.

[00:02:06]And it seems to me that's what the church is proposing to me uh by making him a doctor of the church. Uh so I think that people should really take the time to read uh about these questions and really study them before they perhaps throw stones at other people.

[00:02:27]Uh I would also recommend the the writings of Father Sicata. They're very accessible and very easy to to be understood by anybody and and very amusing as well. Uh the second thing I'd like to say is that um I find it surprising that in our world where more and more people especially traditionists are very quick and very awake to accusing and seeing skull duggery in the political world and analyzing and making uh insightful judgments into what's happening in happening in the political world. Switch this off when it comes to the church.

[00:03:12]But if you juxtapose the two uh the church and the world in this day, you will see that they're actually on exactly the same trajectory.

[00:03:24]And to add to that, uh I think also people should possibly go back to reading uh things that were quite common for example in the 70s like Alexander Soljanitsen uh to see that the way the church is functioning is utterly Soviet. the abuse, the propaganda, the lies, the shaming of people, the forcing, the racism, all of this stuff is very, very Soviet and very surprising when we know that Russia will spread its errors. I'm not saying that the people in the Vatican are card carrying communists, but the error has certainly been spread. And if you're familiar with the one world, you can see it so clearly in the other world.

[00:04:19]Uh >> do you think uh brother that there's collaboration between what I guess some call the deep church and the deep state and does that overlap with this consilier institution as well?

[00:04:30]>> Yes, I think so. I think it's obvious when one institution says exactly the same thing as the other >> in tandem. Well, it's fairly obvious that there's a collusion. Uh I think it's obvious but people don't really want to make that conclusion. Uh I would also like to compare the situation um to the situation of abuse in the family.

[00:04:55]And I think that someone who is being abused in the family may live for many years in that situation and be very afraid of doing anything about it because they would be afraid of breaking the fourth commandment. They would be afraid of many things of honor your mother and father and etc. But they could be living through a hell of a hell of abuse.

[00:05:17]>> Mhm.

[00:05:18]>> But there comes a stage when you have to call the police.

[00:05:22]There comes a stage where you have to say I have to do something about this. I have to take the law into my hands and get out of that situation.

[00:05:34]And even the child that escaped that situation, they may never be normal.

[00:05:39]They may have been scarred by that uh abuse, which I think is very paralleled in the church. If you took the things that people in the church do to, for example, traditionalists and you applied that to a family situation, if it was the father of the family, they would probably be arrested for the way they behave. But they're not. Mhm.

[00:06:02]>> So that child that's riding away from their house in the police car will never be the same. They've been abused, but they're free and the abuse has stopped and they can say something about it and they can get their siblings and those that they love out of it and stop them from being abused.

[00:06:21]In that sense, I'm very happy in our congregation that we talk to each other.

[00:06:26]We love each other and we've gone through all of these things in an open way with each other. Discussing uh having forums in which to discuss these things, not pushing these things onto one another, but trying to find the truth together. And in this I was once told that um well Poglio is a heretic but I can't judge.

[00:06:52]Uh it comes down to the same question of pay grade.

[00:06:58]>> Yes. But lies are not above anybody's pay grade. Uh when you go to confession you judge yourself. If you think you've committed a sin, you say, "I'm not sure, but I think I've committed a sin." You accuse yourself.

[00:07:18]Uh you don't perhaps make a decree about yourself. And I think that's a similar thing with with the papacy. I can't make a decree, but I can make a practical pragmatic decision. And I think I should make that and I think we should all make that in a communal way because the same uh question is brought up that uh in fact the same person who told me that about he cannot judge when I asked him what are you going to do when uh somebody shuts you down and you are wiped out the person told me I'm prepared to suffer.

[00:07:58]Well, that's very ludable and that would really be my approach. I'm I'm famous in the monastery for always saying that we should go and live under a bridge if things got got bad enough and >> people people are amused by this. Uh but myself living under a bridge is not actually the solution. But that same person, if you were a wife, if you had a wife and 10 children and you came home and you said, "Uh, I've been fired today unjustly. Uh, my boss is an abuser, but I'm prepared to suffer. Your wife will tell you, "Hey buddy, go back and you make sure you get your job back because I have to eat and your 10 children have to eat."

[00:08:35]>> Yeah.

[00:08:36]>> That's what we live in in the church and what we live in in our congregation.

[00:08:39]We're not here as individuals.

[00:08:40]>> Yes.

[00:08:41]>> We're here as a congregation when we make vows said with the we have we're in communion with one another. We're there for one another. So when I see uh Tuchro uh saying he's going to make room for the espics and make them welcome.

[00:09:02]The man is a filthy purveyor of lies.

[00:09:08]>> He's abusing you. He's lying to you.

[00:09:11]He's gaslighting you. He's everything that you would file on your report for abuse against an abusive parent. When you see that person in Charlotte abusing believers and at the same time putting his miter on young girls heads left, right and center, the man is abusing you. When we hear prevast who can't who can't make a statement against superich for giving awards to people who are backing abortion when you can't stick up for an innocent child in Chicago who's going to be murdered but you tell me I am not pro- life because I'm not blow the death penalty which is heresy.

[00:09:55]Well, you're an abuser.

[00:09:58]And thank God, I'm very honored to be able to call you out as an abuser and all of those people for the sake of all of my brothers and sisters, for the sake of all of my people who are the traditionalists who have suffered through this abuse for decades.

[00:10:16]And uh thank God I'm very honored to to be part of this, to put my name to this document, to be part of this congregation.

[00:10:25]Very well said, brother. Thank you for sharing that. And I'm I know that our our viewers uh listen to your words with great attention and and very well very well stated. I think um of the the the this idea of uh we cannot be complicit in a forced suicide or our own uh you know murder u so complying with with totally unjust decrees to shut down um you know and be quiet that's that's not Catholic. we have we have to defend the faith as uh uh uh brother was saying earlier as well. So um that's that's very well understood and I hope our viewers appreciate that. Um brother Aiden, do you have anything to add for today's program?

[00:11:03]>> Yes. Yeah. Thanks for having me, Mr. Cox. Uh I'd just like to say sort of why I uh signed the letter and supported it.

[00:11:14]Uh yeah, I'm pretty pretty new to the scene here. Uh just being here two months. Uh so still yeah learning the ropes.

[00:11:23]>> So you're just like two months behind brother Nicodemus's time there. That's >> Yeah. Two months and a little bit more.

[00:11:29]Yeah.

[00:11:30]>> But but already racing past me.

[00:11:33]>> Yeah. So I think yeah entering the monastery and sort of uh getting more time to to study and to learn about this crisis in the church cuz as brother Nicodemus said it's talking after church uh with your fellow parishioners about the crisis and it's not a it's not enough and >> um so It's yeah to at table we hear the papal encyclicals going back and I think what has really struck me is this crisis isn't hasn't just formed at Vatican 2 it's it's further back and the popes have been uh warning us against modernism and all these errors Uh and so growing up in the in the Novas auto uh and sort of just being desensitized to all these errors as yeah I think coming here it has uh sort of yeahve I've seen that uh this this cannot this cannot be the church uh Uh and yeah, we we have to follow what the popes from centuries back have been telling us and not not these popes who uh kiss the Quran and say all all religions lead to God. Uh cuz yeah, it's obviously not Catholic. Uh I'm not a theologian, but it's pretty obvious to me that that's not Catholic.

[00:13:30]And uh yeah, >> one way one way they will argue is that well those those events were misunderstood or they were not rising to the level of doctrine and the teachings of blessed Pas 9th and St. Pius the 10th. Well, those were for that time, but the church can develop now. And so I I wonder as you said you are former Novasordo and maybe there's others in the community as well. I don't know how was that sort of awakening if you will uh to learning about those traditional uh encyclicals and teachings because the arguments that are put forward in the novasurto are quite convincing at times you know they don't they they try to hide as much I think as they can from from leoty from especially religious about learning those preconciliar documents and teachings and trying to explain them away as if they don't matter. H well I think uh what helps is to to think where where is Jesus in this situation? Where is our Lord?

[00:14:32]>> And uh it's he he set up the the Catholic Church to be the one holy and apostolic church. And it's not, he didn't say, "Oh, it's a good good way. This I set up this church. It's it's one way to get to heaven. Uh there might be other ways." No, he said this this is the the Catholic Church and the only way to salvation. uh and when when I saw I recently watched the uh the meetings at Aisi with uh Pope uh John Paul 2 uh meeting with all the religions uh not once but many many times uh and there where where is Jesus in there there's they're cru crucifying him by their actions really >> right >> um and yeah as you can see there's every single uh religion and any other religion other than the Catholic faith is from the devil uh and I think yeah I I I just want to be a a Catholic and sadly this uh breaking away from the the church. Uh yeah, the the postconilia church is the the only way to uh keep my faith. Uh so yeah, I think I don't know if that answered the question really. Uh >> well, it's not an insignificant thing when you put the the vicor of Christ so called on stage with Buddha and uh Muhammad and the false Anglicans. So I I agree with you. It's it's not just a small scandal. It's a it's it's an affront to the truth in every way doctrinally, theologically, and it was just something I'd never really thought about as a Nova myself who was raised in the dasis and church is um it sounds like you you were as well. And so, you know, that that that process of coming to see the truth. I um I guess I'd wonder how how how was that for you? Was it over time, a slow uh awareness of of studying uh these issues as well? Yeah, it it was definitely time and slowly Yeah. studying more but being being open uh to yeah to as you study you have to be open cuz as a yeah noasto Catholic before I think we have the wrong maybe idea of what uh the pope should should be and do. Uh, and growing up I thought, okay, the the pope can just do all these crazy things, all these put out all these encyclicals on like Amoris Leitzia and uh, Feduchia Supans and but we still have to we still have to say that he's the pope. We don't follow that, but we still have to say uh, he's the pope. But that's as I'm learning that's a totally uh heretical mindset really uh to yeah recognize you're familiar with recognize and resist. Um so yeah it's been over time uh being open and uh yeah prayer as well. Uh >> yeah so >> I appreciate that. Brother Aiden, uh, do you have anything else to to add, uh, before we, uh, turn over to Brother Gabriel?

[00:18:24]>> Yeah. Uh, just about the the Unam Sangdam and the council. I think, uh, we're all all different groups that have uh, gone different ways. The different the SSPX, the sort of Aantis uh, sort of groups. We're all, I think, searching for the truth and at the it's obvious that the uh the sheep have fled and uh we have no shepherd. Uh and so we we can't solve this uh on our own. We need to unite as it said before in charity. Uh because this is I I believe this is the only solution. the uh the imperfect general council. Uh and yeah, so it it would be great if all the all the Catholic bishops could unite. Uh yeah, in in charity and be open uh cuz I don't want to be sitting here till I'm 80 uh saying that there's no there's no pope. Uh yeah.

[00:19:40]Uh yeah. So that's that's all I had to say. Thank you for having me.

[00:19:47]>> I think what you're trying to say is you don't want to be here when you look like brother Nicodemus.

[00:19:55]>> Well, that's okay. You didn't say it. I said that. So >> I love I love the beard. But yeah.

[00:20:01]>> Well, white hair is a reflection of wisdom. I think that's what scripture says. So, we appreciate that.

[00:20:08]>> Um, last but not least, Brother Gabriel, I'll turn the floor over to you.

[00:20:13]>> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Cox. Uh I was just uh uh thinking that uh the church and our society now we lack the sense of trusting uh somebody like uh I explain myself uh we should in a normal word be able to trust the authority and trust the pope like when we go to the paper encyclical the old ones. I remember father Michael saying at table once that when we were hearing the encyclical of Pope Leo the 13th that everything you hear from that you can say I believe I believe and I do not doubt that this is true and he cannot be teaching me what is wrong. But we lack this uh in the church and because of the fake church now and in all this time since the council because we see all those abominations happening uh not only a but doctrines and even like the conservatives uh even the no conservatives let's say they are actually uh recognizing and resisting think in some way because they all see strange things happening and strange things being said >> but they actually try to go around it and explain it somehow and try to avoid the problem but actually this is only creating more problems. Uh so actually the whole world uh nowadays if we don't assume this position uh of like this is actually not the church the whole world is distrusting authority and is against uh an authority that we can actually hold to um yes I think that's what I what I thought saying >> well it reminds of what um uh the the statement here itself says and I'll just um probably close with this very soon.

[00:22:36]Let us cling to Christ yesterday and today and forever the same. Let us cling to his mother co-redemptrics and mediatrics of all grace. For a child of Mary can never be lost. Let us pray to our lady for the grace of perseverance and that we may keep the faith of our fathers and be given the grace to die in it. And of course um uh the founder of of your order uh St. uh Alfonsus Lagori who I've written a book on myself and have great admiration for. He was um uh very much devoted to our lady and um I I pray that she'll continue to guide you all and everything you've you've done so far and going forward with all the efforts. I thank you all for coming on