When a municipality defaults on a federal loan, the Special Assets Unit (SAU) of USDA Rural Development intervenes to help resolve the debt through reamortization, which requires the city to demonstrate severe financial hardship, correct management deficiencies, maintain reasonable rates, and show repayment ability; the process involves presenting financial data, rate studies, and facility assessments to the council before the SAU can approve restructuring options.
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We now call a special session of the city council, the city hot coke to order at 6:34 on July 22, 2026.
>> Now take a roll. Miss Barardi >> here.
>> Mr. report >> here.
>> Miss B >> here.
>> Mr. Butcher >> here. Miss Logan >> here.
>> All members are present.
Please rise and join me. And I'm sorry, the invocation is first.
I don't have my Q sheet here, so I'm from memory at the moment.
>> Please join us. Join me in the invocation, please.
Most gracious heavenly father, thank you for this day. Thank you for making it possible for us to congregate together to attend this city of hot co special session.
Father, please encourage us and put it in our minds and hearts to look at the gifts and blessings to recognize them as we go through our days and nights.
Father, thank you for the birth, life, death, and the resurrection of your son Jesus. For giving us a way back home to you in your son's most holy name. Father, thank you. Amen.
>> Amen.
Y'all please rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance.
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>> Thank you.
I lost some property back there.
>> Everybody got an agenda?
>> All right, we're going to go to the next item.
Public comments.
Members of the public may address the city council regarding any item listed on this agenda. Comments are limited to three minutes per speaker.
Goes for every speaker. Public comments shall be conducted in accordance with Texas Government Code section 551.007.
Courtesy is is blessed. Thank you. We'll take the first speaker.
>> Mr. Helms, >> am I allowed to approach?
>> Yeah, but >> what agenda item are you speaking on?
>> Uh, the agenda items.
>> Pardon me.
>> The agenda. I'll be speaking on the agenda items.
>> Multiple.
>> Well, the main one's just >> Oh, okay.
>> Because it was USDA.
>> USDA. Okay. Uh, no. You actually have some other items I'm speaking on.
>> Um, am I allowed to Sorry, did my time start. Am I supposed to be here? There.
Uh, >> just want you to get up there.
>> Okay. I won't go over here, but I would like to be here if that's okay.
>> I think so.
>> Okay, cool. Um, you have three minutes, please.
>> All right. Uh, so my name is Ron Helms.
I apologize for the quite uh somewhat rude introduction. Um, we like to be able to hear our public officials uh whenever we document these meetings. Um, so that's why I went over there. I didn't see any trespassing signs or anything like that here. Um, so might I suggest to put some tape? Um, so we know not to go over there.
>> Well, we put a chair because this is different. We normally don't need >> Oh, this is my speaking time, ma'am. Um, >> it is.
>> So, can I point a word? Can I claim my time?
>> She just took 10 seconds from me, mayor.
>> Okay. Um, so I would suggest that again.
So, I'm here. Um, who's who processes records request since you're going to not respect my time, Mr. Mayor. Who processes records request? Yep.
>> You file records requests through email, >> but who processes them?
>> Who >> who processes them? Who receives them >> off agenda, your honor?
>> Yes.
>> Um, I actually talked to you about public comment because I actually believe people should be able to come up here, item number five, and ask you questions exactly like that. Um, because I actually submit a records request for all your audit information. Uh, very detailed request and I'm very good at playing the attorney general. So, um, just letting you know, you're going to spend a lot of money trying to deter my records request if you want to play that game. I'm going to actually try to help you. It's not it's it's public comments.
Again, I'm speaking. I would like for the council body to be able to address these matters in front of you without interruption because you are a public official. And so, I have another item I would like to speak on, which is number eight, executive session. Matter of fact, question for that agenda item. Do you have an executive session tonight?
>> No.
>> So, why is it on your agenda?
>> Because it must be on the agenda in case we you have to move into a executive session.
>> Wrong. And I actually don't have it uh right now, but I will send you into your email so you can see it. There's an attorney general opinion that actually suggests, highly suggest you do not have executive session boilerplate language on your agenda because what if members of the public came tonight and were wondering, "Oh no, they're having an executive session. I need to show up.
That's really important, right? I want to I want to be there." But you don't actually have one. Well, I just wasted my time driving an hour halfway here because I thought y'all were having an executive session tonight. So, you're going to pay me for my gas for misrepresenting what you're talking about to the public or are you going to fix your agenda and comply with the law?
>> I'm going to let you go.
>> That's what I thought, Mr. Mayor. U let's go and see. So, open session again. You're citing um various codes.
We reserve the right to go into executive session under code 71, 72, 74, 87. Again, boilerplate language. You cannot do that. Um what else can I uh can I do here? You're very Did you do the pledge? Uh, agenda item number three, the invocation. I believe you did the pledge, ma'am. Um, you're very rude.
I don't think you should do it anymore.
Uh, thank you for your time.
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>> Hi, I'm Otto. Distinguished counsel. Oh, >> uhoh.
>> I try to catch it. I don't think she's going to try and help help me. Uh, distinguished counsel, dishonorable mayor, I hope you're all having a fantastic evening this night. Uh, slide that that way a little bit. Notice that again there's multiple recording devices on this table and the only one you guys had a problem with is mine. and also apparently this other guy who wants to record. Um, I'm addressing the USDA meeting tonight. Hi, I hope you guys are in here. Um, we just recently fired the guy who was operating the plant. He had two 10-year contracts and uh, his contract said that um, that if he was to be fired, it would be required that everybody on this council was to vote on it. And nobody voted on it. This lady right here decided that he needed to be fired. he needed to be fired because she asked him allegedly I don't want to be arrested for ma for saying things uh because she asked him to fudge some of those reports that you guys received. Also um uh there was two um requests for funds to uh repairs. One was I think 30,000. I can't remember what the other one was. One was a was an air pump and the other was a valve an air valve. They refused, they absolutely refused to repair them, which is why the plant was failing. They also refused to pay the bill for the the services uh the testing services. And because of that, uh you guys didn't get all the information that you need, but his contract says that he is to be paid for the remainder of his of his term in full within 30 days. And I don't believe that that was on the profit and loss sheet. I did an open records request for that earlier and uh of course they told me I can't I can't have it. It's going to it's going to take me a while to get it, I'm sure. Um and that's understandable, but that's something that you guys need to know that they're about to be riddled with with litigation involved in a contract dispute with the city. So, I hope you guys have a fantastic day. Um, remember that the council, you guys do have the the option to speak. And this guy gave you down is is uh, you know, not in the best is not in the best interest of the city.
>> Top agenda.
>> And this lady is wrong. Like, every time she opens her mouth, it's wrong. And it's also rude. Can I have your earbud back, ma'am?
My earbud flew out. Thank you, sir. At least this guy has the has uh the people in mind. Uh, you'll have a good evening.
Thank you for your time. I yield back your your honor.
He's not a judge.
>> Oh, [ __ ] >> That need to be fixed.
>> Mr. Head, please. That needs to be fixed.
It's all me.
I'll start my public speaker. All right.
Good evening everyone.
Uh tonight during the special city council session, um I'd like to just take a minute and talk about um the way things are as I understand them. um what everybody's responsibilities are um what their place is in this process as I understand them special assets unit their main function is getting the taxpayer money back for the loan period the end um the USDA has a caveat in most of their literature if you go online and look that says and keep users cost reasonable so these people could have come in and shut us down day on they didn't and so here we are today.
>> Mhm.
>> City administration's main job where the SAU is concerned that >> his concern is to provide them with records of past and current financial information that has been going on now for over two years. The council's job and authority is being the governing body of this municipal government. The council is the only entity who can make decisions with the SAU since you or they are the governing body.
We have to have a united agenda as citizens and council. Now is the time to unite for grant eligibility. It is the single biggest thing that will improve our quality of life. Self-serving agendas, personal grievances have no part in our day-to-day lives of every citizen in the city. We are the people.
Now is the time. You, our elected officials, have a responsibility to all of us.
The SAU is here to help us achieve that.
We cannot become grant eligible till we go through this hoop.
Tonight's council meeting will not answer everyone's questions. We will have many questions still. But if I hope if we pay attention to what the SAU says and listen and learn, try not to react with motion that we will all walk away here tonight with a common goal and a new focus, a new agenda for all of us.
Because I can't do it without you. You can't do it without us. And we can't do it without them.
We all have our place.
So, um, the goal has to become to be grant eligible again, period. Let's come together. Let's focus on that and make our city better. Storm drainage, new roads, lighting, sidewalks, repairs, and updates to our wastewater treatment plant and our infrastructure. All of that comes from grant money. Can't have a dime.
SAU is here to help us get to that goal.
So, thank you so much for letting me speak.
>> Thank you, sir.
Item six, old business. We have no old business.
Item seven, new business.
Presentation by representatives of the United States Department of Agriculture, Rural Development and Special Assets Unit regarding the city's wastewater treatment debt, loan status, repayment options, reamortization proposals, and related financial matters.
>> Mr. Payne You got a volume. I can't.
>> It's up at 100%.
>> Oh, well, lovely.
>> Mr. Pan, can you hear me?
>> I can barely hear him. Yeah, I can barely hear them at all.
>> Yeah, we're having an audio problem here. If you just want be have a little patience with us.
>> Everything is up to 100%.
>> Everything is up to 100%.
>> Okay. Well, we got some audio here.
What's up?
>> One of y'all turn your microphone.
>> All right.
>> Uh, Mr. Payne, >> I think we have part of our audio resolved.
>> So, Mayor, can you mute your microphone?
I can actually hear you uh through Rhonda's uh computer.
>> Done.
Yep. Can you hear me?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Yes.
>> All right. Great. Give me a thumbs up if we're good to move forward.
>> Can you guys hear anything?
>> A little bit. Not really.
>> Can you hear me?
>> Not really.
>> We have a mic.
>> We have >> Can you move the mic closer?
There are too many microphones that are feeding into the >> test.
>> All right, >> I got a thumbs up from Mayor Evans. I see uh Rhonda McKenon on the screen.
Ron, if you could could you turn the laptop towards the council so uh we can see the council, please.
Yeah, it's got a lot of attached >> and I apologize. I should have should have mentioned that beforehand. I apologize.
There we go.
>> Back a little more.
>> If we take it back any further, it's going to fall off.
>> Turn it down. Turn it back. Turn it sideways.
>> This way.
I don't hear them. So, we may want to do the microphones muted. Uh, you will have to unmute one probably. Uh, the Rhonda Mcmute that >> Oh, no. That's not going to work. Is that how you >> No, I'm good.
>> There we go.
All right, good deal. All right, so we'll go ahead and get started, guys. Uh again >> you there's >> like you like each other >> Mr. pain. I'd like to introduce our council to you.
>> Got too many microphones open.
>> I think it was spread out any day.
>> And council place one is Miss Becky Bernardi.
>> Miss Becky Bernardi.
>> And council place two, Mr. Kenneth Cork.
>> Mr. Kenneth Cork.
>> Council place three. Council place three.
>> Miss Brandy Ball.
>> Miss Brandy Ball.
>> Council place four.
>> Council place four.
>> All I know is Mr. Butcher.
>> Mr. Butcher.
>> Mr. Butcher. And council place five is Miss Sher Logan.
>> Sherry Logan.
>> And you know me.
>> And you know me.
>> Wow.
>> Great. Nice to see everybody. Uh, I hope that you can hear me. Uh, my name is Clyde. I'm with the USDA rural development in the Special Access Unit.
Uh, nice to see a few of you all again.
Uh, as I know I did, uh, I think I we did virtual meetings some time ago and I actively remember a few of you. So, nice to see you again. Uh, we do have a couple other members from USDA rural development on the call as well. Uh we have Brandy who's also uh in the special assets unit. And then you also have Michael who's from the the state of Texas there works is the program director uh for the state of Texas which I know you guys uh I mean know Mayor Evans is well I'm familiar with. All right. Um just want to let you guys know we we don't want to take too much of your time. We just wanted to take a few minutes uh to discuss uh the loan and grant account uh that you guys have the USDA rule development. Um Bry and I, we do have a hard stop uh at 7:30, so we will be quick uh with our presentation uh give you guys a status update and uh hopefully there will be maybe a little bit of time there to take on any questions that you may have.
All right. Uh, and I apologize again that we aren't on camera. Uh, it's best that we aren't on camera. Uh, because uh, the bandwidth.
>> Well, Boston.
>> What's on your mind about Boston? Great city.
Mr. Pang, we lost your audio.
>> Okay. Are you with us again?
We're going to hear Okay.
>> Can you hear me?
>> Yeah. Yes, sir.
>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
>> All right. Great. All right. I don't know how much of that you heard, so I'll just start from the top. Okay.
>> Is Is that I don't know if you guys can hear me. Can you give me a thumbs up?
>> Okay, great. Awesome. Yeah. All right.
So, my name is Clyde P. Glad to be here.
I'm with the USDA rural development, the special access unit. Uh we also have Brandy who's also in the special access unit as well. She's a lead uh in our division. And we also have Michael who's also the state program director uh USDA rural development in the community program on the call as well. Uh we want to thank you guys for the opportunity uh to address and give you guys an update on the loan and grant account. Uh we don't want to take too much of your time. We just want to take a few minutes uh to give you guys a quick update. As we know there's a new some new council members uh that are on the board as well. Um Can you hear me?
>> All right. Great deal. I know we're getting a little bit of feedback there.
Uh we're apologize if we aren't on camera. Uh we felt that it'd be best if we just uh remain off camera because of the technology and the IT issues that we may have. We didn't want to drop the call just because of uh we having the video on. We wanted to make sure that we had the best connection uh for that route there. Um and again, we're here today just to update give you guys an update on the account. As you guys may know, uh the special assets unit has been involved uh for about almost 3 years now as the loan was transferred to us. Uh the USDA rural development special assets unit deal with some of our more severe delinquent accounts. Um that made me need a little bit more assistance uh to get the account back into good standing.
Uh we previously met with the council uh it was I myself. We met virtually um about two years ago. We made a presentation to the council uh to give a quick status update. And tonight uh Brandy and myself are here to do the exact same thing.
Uh we're here to talk about uh the account, the loan and grant account. As some may know, the loan is currently not in good standing. Uh but the USDA Rural Development Special Asset Unit is here to help. Um we're here to resolve the delinquency. Uh get you guys back into good standing. That allow that way you guys can get back into that grant eligibility status. As I believe one patron was talking about earlier, it's normal course of action uh for us to meet with the borrowers um that we're dealing with whether if it's a weekly basis uh bi-weekly uh sometimes even monthly uh to to do to talk about their account and to identify a plan to resolve a delinquency.
Um we typically identify one to two point of contacts uh that we can work with and we let them uh invite those who may be needed uh to that conversation.
Um we aren't able to come to each and every uh council meeting and provide a status update just because this is out of normal business hours for us. Um, but we are appreciative of the opportunity and we're here to just give you guys a quick update on the account and uh so I'll just stop there and I'll pass it to Brandy as she'll give uh a little bit of information about the account.
>> Sure. Thank you. I wanted to double check and make sure everybody can hear me first. Can you just give me a thumbs up if you can?
>> Oh, fantastic. So, I want to thank you all for being here today to hold this special session so we can share the information that we need. I think Clyde, like he said, had met with most of you when he came out. Not all of you because obviously that we have some new board members, but uh he met with Hawk Cove back with Ivore and so I'm kind of new to that. Um but I will say um since a new council is in place, we wanted to take the opportunity to meet and share information with you about the current status. Like Clyde said, this is outside our working hours. So, we're doing our best to give you a quick update on where we are and essentially um sharing the information that we have and hopefully uh getting a plan moving forward. Um so, I'm going to share a little bit about the current status of Hawk Co's water and environmental web. It's called water and environmental direct loan. Um the WE is just an acronym. I think you may already know that your tech Texas state office and your field office of USDA rural development services this loan that Michael is on that this call. He's your local program director in Texas.
However, this loan has been transferred to our special assets unit for review and hopefully resolution. And what we do is we're within USDA rule development and we work out of the national office but we're spread all over the country and we essentially try to resolve trouble loans as best we can and we do that in very creative ways as long as it's within our guidelines um and uh we work very closely with the programs. We do not have approval authority. That means we can't approve or deny anything. will be sent in program and then they will will make a recommendation and if they agree with our recommendation then they will um approve it hopefully um through the administrator. Um I think you uh may know that the goal of why we're all here is to forge a path forward so we can resolve this and hopefully together. Um many of us here at least I think I can probably speak for Clyde and I we were not around when when this loan was originated, right? It was closed back in 2007. I actually came to the agency 18 years ago to USDA and that was in 2008.
So um this loan was closed one year before that. So nevertheless, we're all here now and we have this loan delinquency on our hands and I think we share a common goal which is basically to resolve this so that Hawk Cove can get the loan back to good standing and that it can open itself up to subsequent federal funding particularly with our agency as well. hopefully um once that occurs, we won't need to continue regular meetings and you could go back to regular routine servicing, but we have a little ways to go before we get there. So, I want to start with a quick status of the loan. Um because I know you guys are probably curious as to where the loan stands right now. Um we may have provided a statement, but um I would like to update the entire board so they're aware. The loan currently has an outstanding balance. And I will tell you that I did not confirm this with the finance office. I pulled this data off of our loan account records. I will have to get a certified copy of the current uh the current balances for the loans, but this is what was in the system.
A loan currently had an outstanding balance of a little over 1.45 million.
Um I believe this included something like 370,000 in a rear, something to that effect. Um and so I will need to shore up those numbers. Um, we also at the time we originated this loan and closed it, which I think was back in 2007, as I mentioned, we provided a grant of 500,000 at that time as well.
Um, the original loan payment schedule was scheduled for 40 years with a one-year intereston period, which was a 39-year amortization. Um, I think, and don't quote me on this because I have not looked um closely at the loan documents, but I in the system it appeared that the interest rate was around 4.13. So, we will verify that.
Um, the typical payments on this loan when they were originally set up were semianually. Um, so it's kind of interesting because some of our borrowers do uh annual payments, some semianual, some monthly, um, some quarterly, but I think in this case it would be more helpful if you guys were set up permanently on a monthly basis.
And we did change your pre-authorized debit agreement to a monthly, but it it didn't change your loan documents. So, we'll talk about that in a minute, but you're set up semiannually and your payments were 39,545 in the system I looked at. Um, and that would equate to around 6,590 monthly. And right now, the agency permits Pop Cove to provide a reduced monthly payment, which is around 1,800.
And that is basically where you're at right now. So what we would like to do is get you to a position where when you're making those payments, they're not just going toward your rears. We're getting you into a place where you're actually making a debt on that balance, right? So I think that's the goal everybody probably has. Um, per the regulations in the loan docs, h hot cove is required to repay the loan timely, set the appropriate rates, maintain insurance, provide us financials, and all of those kinds of things and other other action items that are required in that loan agreement. Um, I would encourage you to review the terms of your loan agreement and the letter of conditions issued at the time of the loan. Um, if you need those documents and Clyde and Michael can check. We don't know if the file is in archives, but we certainly can get a hold of those documents if necessary and share those with you. Right now, this delinquency is preventing hot co from applying and obtaining other federal funding. And so, we want to do what we can to resolve this with you and get you back to good standing. So, to do that, we have a few tools. So, I've kind of told you the the the piece that I have here on the loan status. Clyde's going to talk to you a little bit about some of the tools we have under our regulations that might be able to help um and and we're gonna explore those.
>> Thanks, Brandy. As Brandy mentioned, you know, we're here to find a solution uh for this delinquency. We're here to help. Um that is the overall goal. Um, as you may know, um, if a borrower does not repay, uh, the loan timely, our agency does have the authority to issue a demand and acceleration letter if it chooses, calling it due in full uh, at that point in time. Um, but this is typically reserved for the cases in which asset values are at risk um, where we don't have full cooperation from the parties or other compelling reasons. Um, and as of right now, we do not see that with the city of P code. We do understand um that the loan was made some time ago, but we believe it is still a valuable system uh that was over a $2 million system uh that was due there and and we also have had full cooperation uh up until this point in identifying a path forward to resolving the delinquency. Um, and so I do want to just talk about uh some of the other options that we have that we can resolve uh the the delinquency. But please know that uh all of our solutions, all of our options uh have to be within the confines of our regulation.
Um so a few of those options to resolve the delinquency or loan modifications, right? Uh at sometimes we are able to either extend the extend the term uh to lower the payment um and also at times we are able to lower the interest rate uh as well right to lower that payment to where it's more suitable uh for repayment ability. Uh we also can do transferring assumptions uh through another eligible entity. If there's a neighboring system um that is within the service area, there's going to be a transfer and assumption. Uh there's also the ability to pay off the loan in full uh early. Um there's no uh penalty for early repayment at all. Um and also a couple other options uh refinance uh as well. um acquisition of regionalization uh again kind of through that transfer and assumption um or also sale of transfer sale of assets uh as well or debt settlement. Um, so there are uh a few different options uh for us to explore. Um, and we'll go through those uh as we need to.
Um, and just give me one second here.
Um, and and just talk about one option um that we have been considering uh is a possible loan reamortization.
Um just I just want to talk about a few things that need to be present in order for us to consider a loan reamortization.
Um severe financial hardship uh that needs to be present and doc and well documented uh through the budgets uh and through financial statements. Uh any deficiencies in management or operations they must be corrected. Um, as some of you may know, we have a a communities unlimited involved. They're a technical assistance provider um that contracts with USDA and works with our borrowers and potential borrowers uh providing that technical assistance whether if it's on the water or on the wastewater program. Um, and this is at no cost uh to the community, right? They'll come out. They'll help you with those reports. They'll come out if you're having a sis a issue with your system that you can't figure out. Maybe there's a vendor that you that you need to reach out to. You're having a hard time there.
Or hey, maybe you need to apply for some grant money, right? And you need to know what programs are out there. that technical assistance provider, that boots on the ground person to help you guys and also help the agency um to allow you guys to maintain service uh at a reasonable cost uh within that community. And they also um provide training uh to the council uh and to operators. And then one awesome thing that they do as well is they provide a rate study uh for Um there are reasonable rates. What do our rates need to be set at in order for us to maintain operation but also repay our debts as well and also has some system reinvestment uh as well. And so that's the great thing about that technical assistance uh provider uh as well. Um and so there also needs to be um sufficient remaining useful life uh within the facility if we're going to consider a reamortization, right? Um because as you guys know uh you you have to have collateral whenever you're doing these loans, right? And you don't want to over uh collateral or under collateralize uh as well as well. So you have to have remaining useful life. Um, and that is also where Communities Unlimited can come in and help us determine what is the useful life of that facility. Um, what upgrades or renovations need to be done to extend the useful life of that facility as well. Um, so I know that was a little bit uh or a lot uh to cover. I'm just going to pass over Brandy for one more time and we'll open it up for questions.
>> Okay. Um, in order to explore any of those options, we're going to need some information from uh, Hot Cove. And I just want to be clear that we're still in a due diligence review stage.
Previously, when we were working with Hotco in this last these last few years, I know Clyde has been working closely with Ivor before and what we were doing was doing workout agreements, assisting with those those periods where there needed to be um, the reduction of payments and things like that. Um, I want to make it clear that we're still in that due diligence phase on some of the options, but um, no decisions can be made until we have all the information because it might lead us down a different path. So, we may be going down a path of bree, but we might end up finding out that there's another option that works better, too. So, we'll definitely be discussing that um, once we get the information that we need. So, I want to talk about the first step. Um, the first step is we're going to need a date when the rate study can be presented to the council. Now, it's my understanding that Communities Unlimited prepared a rate study. Now, if they did, Clyde and I will need to review it and you that you, the council members, will need to review that as well. um after Communities Unlimited presents it to you um then you'll need to consider it and let us know if it's a if there's any um you know any uh comments feedback and if if anything is u adopted if there's any changes we need to know about that once that rate study is presented and community does a pretty good job of laying that information out. I do not have that rate study in front of me.
they'll need to provide it to us so we can look at it and then we'll be able to um discuss it further. Um I want to remind everybody here that USDA is not operating your system. This is Hawk Cove sewer system. We are the lean holder and you have a loan to repay. So it's up to the town to oversee and operate the system efficiently and repay its obligations. And if for any reason there's not sufficient management or lack of you know um operate you know uh deficiencies in operations or things like that um then the council and the management needs to address that um so it doesn't impact um you know the repayment of the loan. Um the other thing I want to talk about is just uh the the rates themselves. So rates are very important and and I'm going to be clear on this. Rates are important for lots of different reasons, but not just rates, fees, collection activities, keeping up with the number of users that are build. Oftent times the system will, you know, when we make a loan, there might be, let's say I'm working with I'll just make up a another um entity that I'm working with right now. I can give you their information without the name. So, initially when that loan was made, there were an estimate of like 750 users.
Well, five, six years later, many of those folks moved and the management didn't oversight those individuals and as a result in those accounts and as a result now they're left with something like 375 accounts. Well, clearly they're not going to cash flow, right? So, you're going to have an issue where there's a no no not enough funds to be able to cash flow that and as a result they're going to, you know, they're going to go delinquent. And so, it's really important that you keep up with billing of your accounts. It's important, and I'm saying this in a general statement, not to code directly, but just generally we tell our borrowers this. Keep up with your counts. Keep up with collections. Always always the board should be um the council or board or governing body should always be reviewing um the the the rates on a regular basis, the fees, all of those things because expenses change. There's inflation, there's all those kinds of things. So, that's very important. As Clyde mentioned, we will not be able to reim if the rates are lower than similar systems. So, I just want to make that clear. Um, you know, of course, we always want the rates to be reasonable, but at the same time, the agency has to be repaid and you have to cash flow, right? So, there has to be repayment ability for that option. So, that's something we're going to review. So, the first step is that communities unlimited rate study for you guys to consider that rate study. Um and then the second step would be Clyde and I are going to need to kindly request some current data um just on the users rates and and some historical and projected financials, some perform financials and budget so we can consider options under the guidelines. Um once we get that data, it'll help direct us and guide us. While um uh your folks there, the mayor pretend and your clerk and those kinds of things have been sending us financials as we've requested, we will need some special uh documents. So, I will make sure I get that list over to you. It may take us a little time to put that together, but the very first step is that rate study and you letting us know what the outcome of that meeting is and we can certainly follow up afterwards so that we can um get some feedback on that. Um, so just as I mentioned, you know, we'll we'll review the ream. You know, sometimes we start out looking at one thing and sometimes it's something else. But the most important thing thing and the common theme that I see in successful resolutions is when everybody is cooperative and we're all going in the same direction toward the same goal, which is the delinquency resolution. So, in the coming weeks, we're going to need to work together to address this. I appreciate the council's time. And as I said, step one is that rate study. to get that on your council schedule if possible. Clyde, I think that's all I have.
>> Thanks, Brandy. Uh, I want to stop here.
Uh, Brady Michael, uh, is there anything you want to uh say uh to the council or mention?
>> Thank you, PL, for that. Brandy, thank you for the information you provided to city council. Um, good evening everybody. I just have a couple things to say as far as as trying to get this thing solved. Um, a as um Brandy mentioned and as Clive mentioned, seems to have been going on for quite some time. Uh, we thought we had a a few uh opportunities to to solve this delinquency, get the city back on track a while back. Um, things have just happened and materialized that uh we didn't realize would actually happen and and now we're at the point as Brady mentioned that the city council has to come together. Um it may be a situation where that not everybody's on the same page, but uh the underlying theme is if the hop co city hop wants to be able to apply for additional funding either through the agency or through some other state agency, uh the account has to be in good standing. And so at this point, whatever it's going to take to get that done is going to be to the benefit of the community. Uh rates need to stay reasonable. We understand that. Uh but the the work that uh Clyde and and Randy have put into this uh situation now uh is is phenomenal. Uh typically uh as we've had in the past, these these chronic delinquencies linger for quite some time. Interest interest gets out of hand and and it's a a unsolvable uh dilemma. Now with the the possible presentation of that reamortization that was uh just done by Brandy, uh it it could be a path forward. So let's put our heads together uh make knives for a minute and uh see about getting information to us so that we can comfortably approve or make a recommendation to administrator to remotize his account or whatever other option comes out uh once finances be received uh and move forward with it.
>> That's all.
>> Great. Thanks, Michael. Clyde, if you could let me say one more thing. I also want to point out Michael is your program director in Texas as y'all know.
And um I know he dropped, but y'all want to stay in good standing there with Michael because Michael's the one that approves the grants there locally. So if you get back on track, you're going to be calling Michael. So um yeah, he's he's he's your local contact. So that's always a good thing. Um last thing I just want to say is, you know, you're y'all are the new board is in a in a tough position. And I can imagine when you come into a new role, it's it's you know it's challenging. You got a lot of things that you know perhaps you weren't initially involved in or or and and those things are dropped kind of on your lap and you're making decisions, right?
Um so our goal is to present what the options are. Um gather the information from you and then try to present uh what proposals we think the program would approve and see if we can all resolve this together. But it will take some um you know some work and um it'll be need need to be some tough decisions made. Um but we're confident that y'all can do that. And I also wanted to say that I appreciate your cooperation and help and also listening to us today and that you guys have a golden opportunity in front of you to solve a very difficult problem that's been around for a long time and it could be a success if we all work together. So that's all I have.
>> Awesome. Thank you Brady. Uh thank you Michael uh for the little comments. Um we got about 10 minutes here. Uh so Brandon and I can take uh probably maybe two to three questions u before we have to drop. Uh so I don't know if you guys need to move to one computer or one phone or whichever, but we'll open it up for questions.
>> Question.
>> Miss Brownie.
>> Uh can you hear me?
>> I'm sorry. I I meant I cannot hear you.
>> We can't hear.
>> Yeah, >> you can't hear.
>> Um I think it's muted, right? I think your computer's muted or muted.
>> Can you hear me now?
>> One of them.
>> Can you hear me now?
>> Hello.
>> Yes. Is that >> This is Bernardi. Can you hear me?
>> Council Bernardi.
>> Yes.
>> Try that.
>> Yes, I can hear that.
>> All right. Rhonda.
>> Um >> um >> well, let's mute um Rhonda, can you mute yours? I can hear her on Mayor Evans.
>> Okay. Can you hear me now?
>> Sure can. Go ahead.
>> Okay. Um you had mentioned about as far as loan rampization you gave us three key components and that was uh a city that's in position of hardship, financials, budget.
Um and one main thing he said was useful life. So um I was told several times that there was an engineer that was going to come out and um I don't know if that's been scheduled for her to discuss. state got dropped in file 13.
But my concern is it that we get an engineer out here to actually tell us the condition and as you call it useful life of our system. Do you know if that is in process or still there to be done?
>> Yeah. Um Brandy, you want to jump in there?
>> Yeah, I'm going to answer that. Um, councilwoman, essentially what what usually takes place with a reimization is if we are extending the term in any fashion and we have to get the useful life. Normally, if you're not extending the term, we wouldn't necessarily need that. But if we are extending the term by any years, we would definitely have someone come out to do that. And usually we ask a technical service provider like um we might have rural Texas rural water come out or someone qualify for communities unlimited. Okay. They may come out and do that if we need when we go down that road. Um the other thing I wanted to answer in response to your question was you mentioned three things for the the loan the loan revertization.
We mentioned five. There are several things in the regulation. We just pulled out the most important things. It's severe financial hardship if you want to write it down.
>> Uh correcting any deficiencies in management or operations if they exist.
So for example, there would need to be a licensed operator in place and we would need to be satisfied management is sufficient. Yes.
>> Um meaning the fiscal responsibility of the finances the operations of the system. And then the third thing is rates not not lower than similar systems.
>> The fourth thing was sufficient remaining useful life of the facility.
And the fourth, the fifth was demonstrated repayment ability. And that would that would also include your reserve accounts. Other words, we like to set you up with equipment reserves and debt service reserves. So you're set up for success forward. You have these reserve accounts.
>> Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I know you're in a hurry. Um so yeah, we don't have a reserve account. We've never had a reserve account. So um are you already aware of that? Has that been documented or what? We've never had We yes we are aware and usually when our borrowers are dealing with yeah they have we'll set you up that normally gets set up as part of the loan grant and it'll start to be established. Does that make sense?
>> Just to piggy back off of that too as well Brandy uh that race study that communities unlimited is putting together. It'll have all those items um budgeted for uh set aside for it'll have that reserve account the amount that you need in there. it'll have an amount that you are uh needed or that is recommended to have for for reserve maintenance and things of that nature. Um and then our agency relies heavily uh upon their opinion when it comes to that useful life. So those are some of the the outstanding things that they'll be able to provide uh for your community at no cost. You wouldn't have to go out and hire an engineer. You wouldn't have to go out and pay engineer 10 to 15,000 uh for him to go do that. Uh the agency is saying you have put some money there by having that technical assistant provider go out and provide that service for you.
>> Okay. And the in I'm sorry I didn't hear what you said on the the initial was about the engineer. Do you have that >> in the works? Um where's where does that stand on the engineer piece?
>> I'm I'm confused as to why you're asking the agency to provide an engineer. Um so the local state offices typically and not all of them have the engineers that usually come out and do a prel they they will they will do an um construction meetings if there's a construction project. They'll review plans and specs but they're not the engineer that prepares your preliminary engineer report or cost estimates for upgrades.
Generally you have your own engineer for that. But we do have a program it's called PPG and another one called search grant. Those grant opportunities are available if a system wants a a a grant to hire an engineer to prepare a preliminary engineering report and environmental report to to look at options upgrading the system. And again, grant eligibility can come open again once you guys become current.
>> We have others have questions. Mayor has miss >> Mr. Butcher.
Well, you guys are basing all of this on how many folks for a township.
Can >> you hear me?
>> Can you hear me?
>> Yes, sir.
>> I'm asking you uh how many people are listed for this this size uh sewer system that we have?
>> We do not have the current. That's a great question. Uh that's a question that we've that's a question we've asked as well and that's why the race study has been prepared. The race study will have the most accurate information as far as what is being charged, what could be charged and also the current customers as well.
>> Okay, as Brandy mentioned, uh when the loan was originally made, there was an estimate that was put out there. Um, I believe it was maybe I don't have it right here in front of me, but I believe it was roughly maybe 500 or maybe 450 customers.
>> Nope.
>> Never.
>> We have 180 customers on our system >> that are paying of the world. We have never had that many people here.
>> Right. That's >> we're getting charged $121 a month for our >> This is This is something >> I'm trying to get so they can hear.
>> We understand that. Go ahead.
>> So, uh my thing is is >> I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> We are being charged $121 a month strictly for sewer.
>> Um I can I respond to that, Clyde? Um so I want to I want to respond to that in a couple ways. Um, one, when the original loan was made, as as you know, I mentioned to you that Clyde and I weren't involved in that initially because that was a, you know, a loan that was made in 2007. At that time, those user estimates came from what I believe would have been the preliminary engineer report prepared by the engineer who was working directly with the city at the time. I think >> how many years ago? Excuse me.
>> Okay. Yeah. Can you let me finish for just one second? Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm the only reason I say that is sometimes I get a backlash and I can't hear everybody so I don't want to miss anything that I wasn't trying to be rude. I apologize. So >> couple quick things. So as I mentioned in that story sometime that I that I provided as an example sometimes we have situations like this where initially there was 500 users or there was 400 listed when maybe maybe after the you know loan was made there was really only an account of 300 or 200 or maybe you know 20 years later they're down you're down to 150 or 180. What is important is the rate study will tell you exactly how many users you have. Small systems especially small systems get hit harder because to operate a small system if you don't have enough the number of users that is supposed to be expected for the system then the other users are are sort of stuck paying the costs right for the system because there's not the other users there to pay. I have and I'll just tell you this. I have a system I'm working with in another state and they they have a very small system. It's probably small just a tiny bit smaller than the the users you mentioned. And those folks are paying if if I recall the last time I checked $250 or maybe more. Um and that happens when you have a small system and you have debt. um and when a loan was made and there's been you know a longstanding delinquency or things like that. Um so that is what we would want to do is look at the rate study and see specifically what the recommendations are made. I have not seen it so I will need to review it and then the board will need to review it and then ultimately what I would recommend in a case like this is if you had a significant change to your number of users Clyde and I will take a look at that information take a look at the rate study. take a look at the changes and that will be part of our review, right?
So, it'll be part of the recommendation that we submit to the program. I hope that helps. And >> hey, Brandy, and I just want to piggyback off. I know we be we're out of time on our end, but I just want to piggy back off of that as well, Brandy.
Uh there's been instances what we know in rural communities where there may be a large manufacturer, right? Um and sometimes that large manufacturer may exit the community, right? And therefore a lot of those users maybe that that large commercial user is no longer there right and those residents those jobs those they are no longer there those employment opportunities aren't there right >> no res I'm just I'm just giving an example I'm just giving an example and so the agency is aware that the customer base can change so for just for those And so the agency is aware that the customer base can change. That is why those options within our regulations are available uh for us to explore.
>> What happens becomes an unsolvable dilemma as Michael stated.
>> That's what the citizens were blocking home.
>> I'm sorry. Is that a question?
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> What's the question? Michael stated something about an unsolvable dilemma.
So what happens if it becomes an unsolvable dilemma as Michael stated?
>> That's a great question. Brand, you want to take that one?
>> Yeah, I will. I will say thank you for that information and that question. One of the things that we do at SAU is we like to see the positives of whatever situation we're going into. We try not to look so much at the negatives, but we do look critically at the situation.
Sometimes we get to a situation where we don't have any assets left and the there's only, you know, there's only limited options under the regulations.
I would not say this is an unsolvable situation. I would say I think what Michael was trying to say and he can jump in here if he wants but I think what he was trying to say is it looked to be an insolvable situation but we have options and the council has the ability to review those options and determine um you know which they want to propose to the agency and then we will review that and determine whether or not we can proceed. Now, if we're in a situation where there's been such a reduction of the number of users, we still have to evaluate all the other things that are required um under the regulations and we may be able to make a proposal that would um you know assist the town in resolving this. So, but we can't do that without you guys reviewing the rate study and then also providing the information that we requested. Okay.
>> I have a question before we hang up.
Um, I'm looking at a September 17th, 2019 email regarding Dagmar Babcock who came out and did a a trip report.
And he states in here that the at that time the 12-year-old diesel generator should have no problems if maintained properly. The plant capacity seems to be an overdesigned system since not all basins are in use.
So if you want to go back to the originals on this at the very beginning, um the projections for our community were way over because y'all were using the city of Quinland's population numbers.
And so all those projections by Daniels and Brown did us a great injustice.
So if you'll go back and reflect on that um and look at that information, I think that will help uh you know come to a better understanding of where we sit and why we've never had 600 population here.
We've never had 600 people in this town.
and the 2020 census, we had $450 people here trying to carry the load at $121 a month.
So anyway, I think there was only uh like Mr. Mr. um Mr. Butcher had said about 180 users I believe.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you all so much for the opportunity. Uh we did again we provide the next step actions uh to move forward with the account. Um I believe you guys have good information to move forward.
Uh you understand uh the next step actions. Um and Brandon I think you have one last comment.
>> Yeah. One last thing is I I I know that the the council probably wants to know you know when can we meet with USD again and discuss this. What I will tell you is we cannot meet at night um on a regular basis with y'all. This is outside our working hours. Normally when I work with a town or a county, I work with all kinds of borrowers. We have a point of contact that is a representative that the board has has told us is going to work with us. That may be even. It may be the city administrator. It might be, you know, um, you know, a president of the board who's on off hours, you know, during the day. But we have to have a representative that meets with us bi-weekly or or you know on a regular basis so that we can talk to them. If there's a a significant reason we may be called back into a board, but it's it's rare. We will submit the options once we get the information from you. We'll review it and then we will share that to the point of contact and and then it it could be shared directly with the board at the meetings if necessary. Okay.
>> Thank you Brady.
>> Thanks Bernie for >> for that. Again, thank you all for your time. Um, and I do just want to mention, uh, I know there's emphasis on the loan, right? And rightfully so. Uh, but I do want to point to when we mention these credits uh, within our division, uh, we mentioned the the entirety of the project. This was a loan and grant project. Uh the agency did extend $500,000 in grant funding for this project based on the community's makeup. So I so but so I just wanted to point that out there that when you do make mention of the loan, I ask that you make mention of the entire project and make sure you mention loan and grant. Uh but again, thank you guys for the time. We appreciate it. Uh we'll be in contact with Mayor Evans in the near future. Uh thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Payne, Brandy. Thank you all.
>> Okay.
Anybody need water or anything?
>> Sure.
Yes, please.
>> All right.
>> All right. We do meet via teams on a regular basis.
when they ask for something, we bend over backward to get it to them.
Uh the population point that has been uh brought up has been addressed with them in the past.
Um thank you.
that has been addressed.
Every financial statement, everything they've asked for, they've been getting as fast as we can get to them.
We are definitely working for this.
Um, we spent a lot of extra time on this.
So, are there any more questions for council?
>> All right.
There is no executive session.
>> Mayor, I have a suggestion.
>> Yes, ma'am. Miss Hodgees, >> I would suggest that each individual council member for any questions that were unable to be answered tonight that they bring them either to the next council session or they email them to city administration so that they can be addressed in the next um teams meeting that we will have with USDA next Tuesday.
>> Yep, that's a good idea. And what time is that?
>> It's at 9:30. 9. No, 11:00.
>> 11:30.
>> 11:30 a.m.
>> in the morning.
>> Yep. In the morning. And it is the team's meeting.
>> Is it every other Tuesday?
>> Every other Tuesday. What day of the week is it?
>> On Tuesdays.
>> And that's going to be >> right now. It's scheduled for every other Tuesday.
>> And that's open for council to attend those?
>> No, >> I can't. It's It's not because of the time constraints on >> them.
>> They allow us an hour.
>> Yeah.
>> That's a lot of our problem is that we're not we're not getting that communication.
>> Well, >> we're getting secondhand information.
So, >> yeah.
>> If you have specific questions, >> no.
>> Provide the questions. We'll get them to USDA and try to get you the answers.
>> Maybe a recording message. Maybe recording. Can you uh record that and we can obtain >> copies of those?
>> We will try to get that to you.
>> We'll work on something.
>> Uh they switched it to Wednesday.
>> They switched it to Oh, >> I don't know if that's ongoing. Well, we don't know.
>> Okay. Yeah, I do know it's it's next week when a week from today.
>> Okay.
>> It's being shut out again. What the deal is, >> we're not shutting you out.
bringing you on.
>> We're trying to keep everybody. You're getting the same information we get.
>> We We have gotten nothing else on this.
>> Nothing that they've said here. Uh we've got nothing more than what they've said here.
>> I don't know cuz I ain't got nothing y'all got.
>> Wish you hadn't gotten to this point along.
>> He got to this point long before any of us were here. Right.
stuck with it.
>> Well, they're the ones that have to deal with it.
>> Not involved in that.
>> The people who are involved with that are dead.
>> So, um I will now entertain a motion to adjurnn.
>> Yep.
>> I have a motion motion by Miss Logan and a seconded by Miss Ball.
All those in favor indicate by saying I.
>> I.
>> The eyes have it.
>> We are now adjourned from the special session of the city council for the city of O Cove on July 22, 2026 at 7:42 p.m.
Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
>> You don't mind if I touch it to get it to you?
>> Oh, not not anymore.
Yeah.
>> Is he like that?
>> Thank you so much.
>> You have a good day, ma'am.
>> So, what was the purpose of the screen besides?
>> Was there people on it?
>> Oh, you were watching yourself. That doesn't do a lot of good.
>> Yeah, they you couldn't see them. I would love to.
>> Okay. Okay. Excuse me, ma'am. Can I can you sense?
>> So I help small cities that that kind of have some problems with like God.
I think that the council >> should should pass an ordinance prohibiting themselves from being shut out of everything. It' be fantastic. Sir, have a fantastic evening. Hopefully, I won't see you for another month or unless maybe next Wednesday if I can sneak in here. They're going to have another meeting about on on Wednesday.
I'm going to try and sneak in, but I don't think they're going to let me.
Hey, what's up with all this foil? It's hot.
>> That window right here, >> that window, this windows, >> this this right here is blowing cool air. Anyway, I don't think so. I don't I don't think that's what it is. You know better than You're a smart man.
That's in the shade.
>> That's in the shade.
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>> Oh, welcome.
>> It is hot. They're going to That's the story they're >> throw up.
>> That's the story that they're going to tell.
>> Yay.
>> Oh, yes, ma'am.
>> Yeah, I'll do that for you, ma'am.
Yeah, you're you're Will you pull up?
>> Will you pull up for the the lady?
>> Yeah.
>> Thank you, sir.
>> Okay. Studio, you with me? He's He's on his way.
>> Well, yeah. Yeah, he was paying attention.
>> You okay?
>> Your butt hurt, >> huh?
>> Did your butt hurt? Well, it should.
>> I'm tired of getting >> it should.
>> Are you okay, ma'am?
>> No.
>> Oh, man.
>> We're back to square one >> again. Attend the meetings and they're not going to record it. So that's there.
>> Well, they're they said they're going to try to record it, >> didn't they?
>> I will never get that. No, >> ma'am. I'll volunteer.
>> They won't even let us go up here.
>> I'll do it for free. You can't even come up here.
>> No, we can't.
>> Well, if you were, >> you know, they're saying the time. Okay.
Most of everybody's retired. They can't come.
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> Well, no, it's not that. Just >> We know what it is. I know what it is, ma'am. I appreciate you. despite, you know, how we started out. I sincerely appreciate you. Even though >> I'm glad that you're recording and you were a little more >> well civil.
>> Well, the the whole the whole thing is that I have to establish that I'm willing to go to the edge and then once I realize that that that I can be at the edge, there's no point in being there anymore, you know.
>> Well, no. The main thing is you you're providing public content that >> that's and that's that's the whole point.
>> You don't need the effings and all that.
>> No, but to you know to express that, >> right?
>> You know, you need to get credit for your content.
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> What you're doing, not for the other stuff. You don't need all that.
>> Well, I might not need it, but I I do it for a very specific purpose because >> it's a shock factor.
>> Well, there was that gun.
>> Yeah. There was seven people that got arrested out of this building for far less than I did.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. But I wasn't arrested. Why is that?
>> I don't know. I don't know.
>> I Well, you know >> I don't know.
>> I I have a pretty good idea. You know >> what? Because you'll expose them even further.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, that's fine. Just Just know that this is this is >> You see this that the dropping my earbud wasn't something I didn't do that on purpose. It just happens.
Okay.
>> And I tried to catch it and threw it at the at the meanest lady in the whole building. Um >> anyway, that that's that we're back to square one. I mean, and we were in a mini cram session, 100 miles an hour of talking, right?
>> Not enough time for >> And you had 10 minutes for the whole council.
>> Yeah. And not everybody got in there, but there was a lot more that needed to be said.
>> Yeah, absolutely.
>> I'm like, you're sitting here talking about stuff that we've never had a reserve account ever.
>> Never had a reserve account. You've never had 600 people in town. How is this a type A municipality >> if it's if it's never had more than that has right now 452 people >> and um the current census says that there's a good chunk that are that are non-citizens.
>> I can believe that too.
>> So >> I mean you know what I mean?
>> Yeah.
>> So let's let's let's figure some things out here. you know, u and the all the the billing accounts I from what my understanding is they can't even find the property owners of most of the people that live here. They don't have no idea. And then I saw the building all the bills on the on the the counter in there today and uh they had a whole stack of them that had yellow return to sender things.
>> Yeah.
>> So I mean a lot of people aren't even getting their bills.
>> Um >> which for which >> I don't I don't know. Oh, bill for >> for the sewer. For the sewer in the trash. Yeah.
>> Well, you got people that are weekenders out here, people that don't >> live here, right?
>> Yeah. So, there's just a lot of questions, but we're not getting any answers from the people that are supposed to have them. And you guys apparently get them either.
>> You're not allowed to get them. You're I mean, they're you're not allowed to get anything. Nobody on that on that board is.
>> I think there are certain people that do.
>> Oh, you think so?
>> Well, Mayor Evans Mayor Evans is absolutely getting the answers. He's just not providing the information out.
Um I saw him riding around with the USDA doing site inspections.
>> He was there.
>> He did. We just got a second session yesterday.
>> Yeah. But he was there for more than just a little bit.
>> And then he come and then he comes back here. And this is why I hang out in front of this building all day long to see what's actually going on, you know, because their security cameras don't work every time I request it. Right. So anyway, I don't want to keep you, ma'am.
I'm sure you're berraggled enough as it is.
>> Thank you, ma'am. I I sincerely do appreciate you. And you too, sir.
Oh, fantastic.
I'm going to set this up out here. And then >> How are you enjoying Mr. Head?
>> Oh, he's so pleasant. And so is Amanda.
They're one of my biggest fans. They just won't admit it. They follow everything I do. They watch every post that I make. They even go back into my old old videos and watch every second of it so that they can have something to say. Uh what they don't realize is that I don't give a [ __ ] I mean, >> he's something else.
>> He hates you.
>> He hates you. just just because we happen to agree on on certain things, right? We dis We disagree on things, too. Obviously, I mean, you know what I mean?
>> Why?
>> Yeah. You disagree.
>> I'm with the other >> I'm with the people, the citizens, not the building, >> not the administration.
>> Right. So, as long as you're >> all of a sudden we're in relationship with each other.
content.
>> Yeah, we we agree on the substance, that's for sure. Um solutions maybe a little differently.
>> Remember though, dude, if you're in jail, you can't do anything in jail, so try to stay >> Oh, I'll do the best I can to stay out of jail, but that's not really up to me.
>> Was it up to you?
>> Huh?
>> Was it up to you?
>> No. See what I'm saying?
It wasn't up to Mr. Cole, was that his name? Kenneth Cole.
>> Oh, yeah. He wasn't here today. Yeah.
>> Oh, no, no, no. The guy the other guy.
>> No, the guy with a hat uh on the council.
>> Mr. Butcher.
>> Mr. Butcher. Yeah. He spent a lot of time in jail because he he stood on principal. I got a lot of respect for that. You know what I mean? That man right there, he should be he should he should take Rhonda's position. There's people out there.
>> To move to what?
>> He shouldn't be there. Just saying.
>> No, I don't think so.
>> I don't think so.
>> The whatever it takes. Whatever it takes to win, I guess.
>> Yay. Oh, >> that was an interesting interview.
>> Oh, yeah. With who?
>> Oh, yeah. With your city administrator.
>> Oh, she [ __ ] talked to you.
>> She hates me.
>> She likes me.
>> Yeah. Smile real quick. Smile. YAY.
UH, hold on everybody uh that's in the stream. I got to take a selfie right quick with two of my biggest fans.
Two of my biggest fans. I got to take a couple of pictures out in public. There we go. Yay.
Oh no.
Hey uh studio, if you're in my pocket in my ear, are you with me?
No.
Okay, I gotta work on this right quick.
Okay. Uh, can you pan that PTZ in front of this uh Hyundai between the black, the white truck and the black car? Oh, hold on.
I want a good good set of facials.
the two.
>> Have a good day, officer.
>> Oh, I'll be all right, buddy. I appreciate your concern, though.
YAY! THAT WAS THE BEST council meeting ever.
I'm so GLAD TO BE A NEIGHBOR.
HEY, do you know the Mr. Rogers song?
>> Uh, oh, I haven't heard it in a long time.
>> I haven't heard it in a long time either. the uh Won't you be my neighbor?
Won't you be my Won't you be my Won't you be my neighbor? Yay! Y'all have a good afternoon.
Have a good day, sir.
>> Oh, you're good. You're good. I appreciate I would have run over there and fallen under your car before I let you hit it. Uh the medical bills would be cheaper than that that vehicle is than that than that is.
>> Oh, that would be fantastic. Don't lose your cigarettes. They're trying to fall out.
He wants to see everybody in that building walk out in handcuffs.
>> Hey, we got a >> Do you have enough? You're going to have to start bringing some extra. Thank you, sir. Thank you for your service as well.
And I appreciate you. Thank you're uh for for all not not just the thing on your hat, but the other thing that you do that I'm not going to tell everybody about. You know what I mean?
>> Okay.
>> No. Okay. Thank you, sir. Have a good one.
Yay.
That was so much fun.
Oh man.
It was literally the best meeting ever.
>> One, two. Did you get your two?
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Do we get Do we leave anything in there?
>> No, I think you got everything out right. You got your camera, right? You got Did you get all your mics?
>> I got only brought the two extras and then I'm wearing the one and then I'm wearing the extra. Yeah, I'm good.
>> I got my cell phone. I even got my bag of popcorn. You still have your freedom.
>> And I still have my freedom. And my butthole has been untouched.
Okay, so let's move this out of the way.
Um, guys, that was phenomenal. I hope everything worked out good for you. I hope everybody saw all that.
If not, it was recorded. It was recorded.
Um, I hope that it went well. So, uh, a couple of things that they did today because I got out here at like nine, a little before 9ine this morning and um, I started autoing.
I did, uh, it's hot. It was 104 degrees today. Uh, well, by the time at noon time, by like at like uh, 8:30 this morning, it was already over 90°.
So, it's been a long day and I am exhausted. Um, but a couple things they did today. They started covering the windows with foil and and they're claiming that it was to keep the heat out, but they covered these windows that are under the the awning here. And I don't think that that helped any. Um, they also covered the window that was inside and there they um and and the sun the sun sets on the other side and it's under an awning. So, I don't think that helped. They didn't cover the windows that were over there on that side. They didn't cover those windows in foil. Um what I think they did is they covered these specifically because um I was sitting out here all day. All day I sat out here for public transparency. Uh I filed some open records request. I observed some things.
Um not a whole lot super interesting except that uh these ladies take a 2-hour lunch uh between 1 and 2 between noon and 2:00. they leave and take a two-hour lunch.
Um, I also observed that the fire the the the chief of police, the city administrator is now driving a fire truck.
This is the one that Ronda McKehan came in today. Uh, they all went to lunch together in this vehicle.
They all went to lunch together today in this vehicle right here behind me. Um, this guy, Mr. Head, Mr. head. The guy in that truck right there, he showed up early today uh and he apparently had an appointment.
They let him in the building. They wouldn't they wouldn't even accept my handdelivered um open records request.
Uh I because I asked them uh to for a picture of it to allow me to take a picture of it, they refused. They removed the document and then they immediately started foiling up the windows.
So, I don't appreciate the the lack of transparency here. Um, notice in the council meeting they were talking about uh that that they didn't have um they didn't have that that something about the the population that they were uh they projected they were pro basing all these numbers off of projections.
Okay, those projections are inaccurate.
The projections are inaccurate. Uh they project they have projected that they were going to have uh 650 people in town by now. Uh that never happened. They they uh based themselves they call themselves a type A municipality because they thought that eventually they were going to have 650 people here.
Yeah. YAY!
THERE GO MY TWO BIGGEST FANS.
They watch everything I do and then commented on Facebook, but they don't let me comment back. They want a one-sided conversation just like everybody else in this building.
Just like everybody else in this building. Um, so they projected their uh the growth of the city and then made a few assumptions that really killed them. It beat them up and they're not going to make it. I don't think the city's going to survive this. Um, and again, I was talking uh last time I was in Point, Texas, and they have a financial crisis. Uh, not near not quite as bad as this one, um, but similar.
And um, and I think that Point's going to recover. Hon, I don't think it's going to recover. Uh, the citizens here need to start considering whether or not they actually want to be a city. And and if they don't, then they need to start dissolving some [ __ ] This city needs to be dissolved. Um it it has it has failed by every metric in which a city can fail. It has no money. It has no reserves. It doesn't have a functioning administration.
Uh the only thing it does have is the police department, which is the exact reason why they haven't been able to pay their bill in 20 years. in 20 years, they've never been able to pay their bill. Uh the the council at the time, 20 years ago, were lied to. They were lied to and they were bamboozled. Uh they installed a plant that was far larger than they needed. It was too big for them at the time. It has never been been at full capacity. And uh and as it sits right now, they owe more money than than they can ever possibly hope to repay.
And that's terrible.
And it's a shame. Uh, and guys, I wish I had some better news for you, but I don't. Um, we did have a slightly uh better conversation tonight, but for some reason, it left more questions than we started with.
Um, they don't they put a chair in the way so that we couldn't approach the the the dis. Uh they installed this big ass gigantic screen that we couldn't see.
They hadn't thought that maybe the USDA would like to see the council members instead of the two old hags who are running the city under the ground. So they didn't have a webcam set up to see anybody. They didn't the the USDA didn't even turn on their own cameras. So, uh, the council was basically sitting there watching themselves talk to a voice on the phone. What the [ __ ] good is that? YOU WENT THROUGH ALL THAT EFFORT FOR WHAT? NOTHING.
And then and then they at the end of the meeting, they said, "Hey, we're going to have another another meeting like this."
Uh, come to find out, it's actually going to happen on t on Wednesday. And they were like, "Hey, well, you know, can we be present?" NO, YOU CAN'T BE PRESENT.
THAT THAT'S the This is the mayor.
The mayor's like that all the time, right? Uh Mr. Darren Evans, he says that the people who who uh who have gotten the city in the situation that it is are all dead. That's not true. Ronda McGee's still very much alive. [ __ ] if I know how. And so is Darren Evans, also. I have no idea how that's even possible.
So, those two have been in this in had their foot on the throat of this city for far too long. And it's time that we take it back. It's time that the citizens take it back. Uh there's already so many people in this council meeting that the fire marshall should shut this [ __ ] down. They should shut the [ __ ] down. Thank you, ma'am. Hope you have a good evening.
That was the best COUNCIL MEETING EVER.
WE GOT SO MANY QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
NO, we didn't. We still don't know [ __ ] So anyway, uh I think that the council should should demand a live stream of all meetings.
All meetings should be live streamed.
But you know that won't happen because the the city administrator makes the agenda and she makes all the decisions and the council don't matter. So [ __ ] you citizens. You don't even have a say.
You don't even have a representation.
YOU HAVE NO REPRESENTATION. TAXATION without representation. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I WROTE THAT declaration of grievances and posted on July 4th because they're taking your money.
They're raising your rates. They're doing it administratively without without council approval. They're not NOTIFYING ANYBODY. [ __ ] THIS CITY. [ __ ] THEM. And Rhonda, but especi especially you. I'm pretty sure you're inside watching right now. So, this one's for you. This one's specially for you, Rhonda. Uh, Miss Massie, if you'd move over to the side. This was never intended for you. And please do not get in the way of this finger right here because this finger will hurt you.
It's very pokey. It's very pokey. And that's not a threat. I'm just saying.
Um, I don't want to hurt your feelings.
You see what I'm saying? That, you know what I'm saying? Um, also, I made a misstatement this morning. I thought that Miss Massie got out of the car with pepper spray in her hand. Come to find out, it was actually just a vape.
It was her pacifier.
Hopefully it was some THC. Hopefully there was some weed in that vape. And if you wouldn't mind sharing some of that [ __ ] around in there because those [ __ ] need to chill out.
>> Stress the [ __ ] out, too.
>> Yeah, they were all stressed out. and uh and Miss Miss uh Miss Hodgeges, um please go back to whatever cave you belong to and and and and turn yourself upside down and let the last drops of blood flow into your brain because obviously it is starving. Okay? Please stop. Please stop doing everything.
Please stop being so [ __ ] rude. Uh you know, I'm I'm I'm a pretty nice guy.
Um, I don't take uh I don't take um [ __ ] very uh very well and you're full of [ __ ] and so is that lady that sits beside you. So, please stop.
Uh, you might be not like me, but I'm here on behalf of the citizens and uh from what I can tell, citizens are pretty [ __ ] happy that I'm here.
Yeah, because I was I was being hassled today by the number of citizens that kept coming by and and talking to me and giving me giving me a FIST BUMP. YAY.
HERE COMES MAYOR SLAG JAW.
HERE COMES MAYOR SLAG JAW RIGHT HERE.
YAY. SIR. SIR, uh you're record the meetings, sir. You're out of order.
You're off agenda. DON'T TRY [ __ ] INVITE THE COUNCIL, you piece of [ __ ] YOU DIRT BAG. RECORD THE meetings and share it with your council.
THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES DESERVE BETTER.
THE CITIZENS DESERVE REPRESENTATION. You dirt bag.
WE FOUGHT A WAR AGAINST A THOUSAND tyrants just like you, sir.
and your illegal tent. In my my opinion, I believe that tent might be illegal.
Maybe. I don't know.
>> Did he drive it off in the hole?
>> Yeah, a little bit. Little bit.
>> Oh, there there's a bunch of uh trip hazards in front of this building. Um I stepped in one. Another dude stepped in one today. Uh it's been a it's been a whole thing, dude. It's a [ __ ] disaster. or this whole place is a disaster. Um, so anyway, we've got we've got to we've got to make some changes. The citiz citizens need representation. And I'll tell you what, uh, if they don't get it, um, then then what are we pledging to at the beginning of these meetings? Rhonda Hodgeges goes up there and prays and prays and prays that her God is going to come down here and save her from the mean words and and the truth. And uh and I don't even feel like I should be bowing my head when she does that. Um not because I don't have respect for for the Almighty because I don't think we're praying to the same God. Okay? And that's a damn shame. I don't know who you're praying to, lady, but it's not the God of the Bible that I read. Okay.
Um, also we pledge allegiance to the flag and then [ __ ] on it and we wipe our ass with it. I don't even feel like I should be removing my hat when we make this pray when we when we pray and and and pledge to the allegiance in before this meeting. And I see your comments saying that we should have a separation of church and state. Prayer prayer and and has been a thing since the beginning. Um, and despite what you feel about pledging the allegiance, it's more symbolic than anything. Uh, you know, it's just supposed to be a reminder of what we're here for, what we're doing, and and how we got here. Okay? So, that's how I always look at it. If you disagree, that's awesome. That's what this country is for. SAY SOMETHING IN THE COMMENTS. It's fine. I love it. I don't mind reading it. It's awesome. I do read your comments. Um, thank you to all my channel members. You guys are awesome. I saw somebody else join to the Ultimate Watch Back today. Um, I I think we're up to 800 members now. Um, thank you for everybody who's Thank you for uh everyone who's purchased from the shop.watchdog.com uh to keep the automobile rolling. Uh, it was uh somebody in the chat says they pray to the spaghetti monster. Awesome.
Awesome. I love the spaghetti monster. I love him so much. Uh I don't think that the Spaghetti Monster would allow these guys to do what they're doing in here.
So, as long as your Spaghetti Monster has more justice and uh and believes in more freedom than uh than what Ronda Hodgees does, then I'm fine with that. And that's up to you, I guess. I mean, I can't do anything about it. So, man, I'll tell you what.
What do you guys think? Should I get sing them a couple of songs before we wrap this up?
If you think I should sing them some songs, I mean, light up the chat. You tell me if I should do it or if I should just walk away. What do you guys think?
>> Kind of tripping out over this license plate. 96.
>> 96 for every water account that's paying $120 a month for >> $120 a month for sewage.
>> Yeah. And then they just just to take a [ __ ] And they added $10 a month billing fee to the trash.
>> Wild, >> right? Even though it it was up to to [ __ ] I don't know.
>> And the ordinance says you can't ever go down >> on any increases.
>> I think that's what the ordinances say.
It is.
>> Yeah. So the city ordinances say that you can't go down. Um even though the mayor keeps saying, "Oh, that doesn't mean it won't go down." It always means if they get it now, they will never reduce it. Okay. So, I'm just going to assume that some of you guys at least want one song. Do you at least want one song? What song? Here, how about a new one since I don't think everybody saw it this morning. My And uh studio check mics.
Check mics so we don't blow people out.
My favorite thing to do is [ __ ] with you.
It's fun and easy to do.
THAT'S WHY I LIKE [ __ ] with you. Yes, I do.
THAT'S WHY I LIKE [ __ ] with you. YAY.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY [ __ ] RUN day and every day of the week.
This is how I keep you [ __ ] away.
It's justice that we seek away.
YAY.
IT'S SO GOOD. It's happy freedom day here in Hawk Cove. Um, and the fact that the council seems to all be absolutely understanding how [ __ ] they are is beautiful.
It's beautiful. And the citizens uh have known that for a while. But, you know, we're going to take this town back or it's going to be pushed into the lake.
Whichever one it is.
>> Okay. Somebody just did auto start on the on the truck up there.
So, hang on. Hang on. Wait a minute.
We'll do another one.
Woo!
Yay!
I love the USDA.
REPO THE SEWER PLANT.
THE USDA IS GOING TO REPO the poop plant. YAY.
NO, Mo po.
>> I'll go ahead and let her take that question.
YAY!
O, let's go.
USDA, please take this [ __ ] back.
WE CAN'T AFFORD RONDA [ __ ] ANY [ __ ] MORE.
SO, this town gets $68,000 in taxes.
They can't locate most of the people who live here. Um, a lot of the sewer, like this many this many sewer bills were returned to Cinder because there's nobody that lives there and they don't know who where they go. Um, the city owns most of the property in town or or should own most of the property in town because nobody's paid taxes in forever.
And also um if the city doesn't own it then then the county is going to own it because uh you know most people they can't get in touch with most these people and the taxes haven't been paid in forever. So um there's one two three vacant houses right here that I can see directly. Um I know that there's I know that there's more down that way. Um I think there's another one over there.
I think there's one directly behind this building.
They uh they have continuously used projected populations to do things like uh based how much money they're going to charge people and uh on taxes and everything. So, it's been it's been a [ __ ] up [ __ ] up situation for a long time. Um I'm going to continue covering the story.
Uh, you're you're going to have to to hold me down with rocks and nails to keep me out of this town. Rhonda, you should resign.
You should resign. I will spend a lot of time here. I will protest the absolute [ __ ] out of this building as long as you are here because I believe I truly do believe that you are the problem. Mayor Evans, you should step down. you should step down because the the the your council has no confidence in you.
Clearly, I could see that from the back of the room.
Um it's a terrible situation that that we've gotten ourselves into and I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. And I do believe that uh that change is coming. One way or another, change is coming. So, >> may not be the change people want.
>> It may not be the change that they want, but it is coming. It's going to be a rude awakening.
>> It's going to be absolutely rude and not very much fun.
>> So, I wonder how long Yeah. And the and the they they said the USDA said that the loan has to be repaid. So, whether or not the city dissolves right now or it doesn't, this the loan still has to be repaid. So, you might as well uh shake off the fleas and and just pay back the loan.
independently of this city that's been draining you for so long. They just bought a new printer today for what?
It's damn sure not so they could print open records. You know what I mean?
Damn sure not THAT ONE. HEY, COME ON.
LET'S GO. I GOT [ __ ] TO DO. COME OUT HERE AND GET YOUR ONE LAST HARRAH.
Quit [ __ ] around.
Oh man, a potato suit. Hey, look. I would be a soft boiled potato if I wore a [ __ ] potato suit out here. The only thing that a potato suit would do me good is that it's got a little fan in there. And maybe it'll dry me out. Look, I'm [ __ ] soaking ass wet like I've been in a pot of water all day. I would literally turn you into a human.
>> I would be a human potato. I'd be all soft. You'd be able to pull plugs out of me.
Oh, here's something I think is funny.
Um, in front of the in front of the post office, that's the post office right there. That that little row of boxes right there.
They've got some boxes of food sitting out there.
It's been sitting out in the sun for at least three days.
At least three days it's been sitting out there.
and it's been hot as [ __ ] You think any of that food's good to eat? No, I don't think so. I wouldn't trust a [ __ ] thing in there. Uh, but they're going to let it sit there and they're going to let people come home. But heaven forbid you should try to give away fresh potatoes. If you try to give away fresh potatoes, you're going straight to jail.
You're going straight to jail. Isn't that right, Rondo?
>> Straight to jail.
>> Straight to jail. Oh, look. Ron's checking him out.
That's a pretty sunset.
>> Your peanut butter will be a little melted, but it'll still eat >> it. It says it's got peanut butter that's all melted.
>> He says he'll eat it.
It's peanut oil.
Oh, look. You're doing a city service right there. Picking up a cigarette. But now you got you probably got whatever the [ __ ] that [ __ ] mayor's got.
>> OH, NO.
>> OH, YAY.
ALL RIGHT. YEAH. LOAD UP THAT [ __ ] PROJECTOR. THAT WAS SO HANDY. SO THAT THE CITY COUNCIL could watch themselves.
That's awesome. That's so good. Miss Rhonda Hodes is the smartest Ronda Hodgeges is the smartest lady that has ever existed.
the smartest lady that ever existed. And there goes Miss Rhonda, the the chief of police, the fire chief, and the city administrator. That's so [ __ ] fantastic.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY [ __ ] RUN DAY.
It's every day of the week.
This is how we keep that [ __ ] at bay.
It's justice that we seek. Yay, sir. You might want to go take a shower. I'm afraid you're going to get whatever evil entity is is inside of that lady right there. She prays. She likes to pray, BUT I DON'T KNOW TO WHICH God I think that god is very hot. I think the god you pray to is very hot. Has a fork tail and horns in my opinion.
You did SUCH A GOOD JOB. HEY, THANKS FOR HELPING THE CITY GET INTO THE SITUATION THAT it's in. Did you author those agendas? DID YOU AUTHOR ALL THE AGENDAS THAT ALLOWED Miss Rhonda to take over everything and block the city the city council from being able to speak or even discuss anything with their contractors?
Is it your fault?
Do you enjoy blocking constituents from representation?
Are you a tyrant, ma'am?
>> I might as well I might as well interview this [ __ ] telephone pole behind me.
>> Miss Hodes, can you explain what your license plate means?
96 tears.
Are you going to park your vehicle right there to make it difficult for the city secretary to get out of here? Come on back. Come on back.
>> Come this way.
>> Oh, come on back. You're good. I'll stop you before you hit anything. I promise I WILL. EVEN THOUGH THAT'D BE [ __ ] HILARIOUS. I'll stop you. Come on back.
You're good. You're good. LITTLE LITTLE F. DO IT ABOUT 45. DO IT ABOUT I WOULD NEVER DO THAT, MA'AM. It's all supposed to be funny.
It's supposed to be funny.
Have a good day, Miss Massie.
Thank you, sir.
>> I thought that was a drone on the side.
>> It's not. It's not. I I don't I can't afford a drone launcher yet, but maybe maybe soon.
>> All right.
O happy [ __ ] Rhonda McKe day.
[ __ ] is [ __ ] up and stuff.
[ __ ] is [ __ ] up and stop and I'll be getting out of here just to I mean lickickety split just for the record. I'm I'm on my way out.
>> Well, I'm on my way out.
>> Okay, good. I I just didn't want to.
>> Okay. Okay. No trespassing or after Okay. Okay. Just checking.
>> Just trespass myself.
>> Oh, good. Good. That'd be Hey, that would be hilarious. We could be in court together. I'll be a witness in your defense if you'll be a witness in mine.
>> Okay.
YAY. IS THIS MAYOR SLAG JAW? WHO'S THIS IN THE BLACK TRUCK? I'M NOT SURE whose this one is.
>> Yeah.
Oh, >> I'm not going to [ __ ] with that guy.
This is uh this is the cop one of the cops that was in there right here.
Parked in the handicap. Oh, he's parked in the handicap. Oh, does he have a handicap sticker?
>> Yeah.
>> What the [ __ ] is a cop doing with a handicap sticker?
>> I don't know.
just took place.
>> Oh, for real?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh [ __ ] Well, hey, at least he's probably steadier with a gun than Guffy.
You know what I mean?
>> I don't know.
>> Hey, this is the only police department that I have. Well, this is now his tail lights out.
>> Oh, it is actually.
>> You're off duty.
>> Well, give me get the [ __ ] out of the way. Let me HAVE THAT CAR.
GOOD CATCH, BRANDON. OH, is Miss McKean?
Miss Khan's a chief. MISS MCKEAN, THIS THIS GUY HAS A LICENSE PLATE THAT'S OUT.
WILL YOU GIVE HIM A TICKET?
>> You're a driver side tail light. Can you write this guy a ticket?
>> Make him go to court.
Make him go to court. Ma'am, you wouldn't GIVE ANYBODY ELSE A SPECIAL FAVOR.
ASK ME how I know.
>> Look, she even looks like a witch.
>> Golly, y'all have such a hard time getting out of here.
>> AND THEN YOU GET BEHIND THE MOVING VEHICLE. HOLY [ __ ] YOU SHOULD BE A COP, LADY. SIR, have a fantastic evening.
THIS GUY. [ __ ] I'M HE'S WITH ME, BUDDY.
HE HE'S HE'S WITH ME. HE'S FINE. I got your back. Hey, I back the blue. At least when it's you. You know what I mean?
HAPPY [ __ ] MISS RONDA Hodgees day.
Thank you, sir.
>> YAY. I'M ABOUT TO WIN. WHO CAN [ __ ] TOLERATE THE HEAT OF THE OF DEVIL'S DEN THE LONGEST?
Oh man, it would be funny if they backed into each other.
There goes the city attorney, advocate of Satan herself, right there, in my opinion. And there's the automobile.
Um, there is a police officer who I actually respect. I actually genuinely do respect that guy. Uh, he has he has four times more training hours than the chief of police in this town. Four times more training hours than the chief of police of this town. Uh, I would go I would get into a goddamn gunfight to defend that officer right there. Uh, however, I wouldn't stand in front of Miss Rhonda if the wind was blowing too hard.
>> And I would really appreciate some wind right now.
I would really appreciate a breeze right now.
>> I'm gonna let him do it.
You guys ready?
You guys ready? You know it's coming.
You know it's coming.
Anything wrong with this vehicle?
License plate lights. All the lights are working. Okay. Little bit of damage back here.
You ready?
>> You guys already know what's up. You guys have been here long enough. You already know what's about to happen, don't you?
Yeah.
>> You think she's going to roll the window up?
>> You think she'll still be able to hear me even though the window's up?
I'm going to have to tighten my belt up to to raise an octave. Hold on.
Tighten that belt up a little bit.
So So I'm Otto and we are the watchd dogss. I'm standing here today in front of the city of Hakua Cove City Hall and police department.
some lady some lady there was a a school bus came out this morning from like the ISD uh preschool center and um I have my sign in the window of the bus and she called I think the cops and was like there's a school bus out here and in at that at city hall and in the window it has a sign and it says [ __ ] is [ __ ] up and stuff and I heard that from a like I can't hear nothing I'm half deaf that's why I have to wear this And um I heard that from across the parking lot because that's my catchphrase. And I heard her say and stuff. And I was like, "Oh, that was me."
I was like, "Ma'am, ARE YOU CALLING THE COPS ON ME?" SHE GOES, "NO." AND THEN she ran off real fast like, "You [ __ ] lying. You are.
You are calling the cops." And that's funny because we are literally in front of the police department.
Up and to the right.
Up and to the right.
Up and to the right.
Up and to the right.
There it is.
You can't get any closer to the police department than we are right here. I I know because the [ __ ] door is locked.
If Mars existed. Oh, because Mars doesn't exist. The planet Mars.
I've never been there. I don't know if it ex Do they have a police department?
If they have a police department, I'll go over there and check it out.
Do they have a do they have a sewer loan that they haven't paid in 20 years and now they're currently in discussions to to open it up for another 20 years? And are they currently using projected population uh that that had the city has never had never ever ever had? Um are they counting uh some houses as being occupied even though they clearly aren't because that's how we got in this situation.
Tony Signs.
Oh. Oh, they're saying Tony signs cuz he he does like Yeah, that's too hard to explain. If if you know, you know.
I love you so much.
I love you, Miss Rhonda.
>> You want to come over here and say hi?
Come here.
>> Oh, really?
>> Okay.
>> He's not. You don't have a camera on you, right?
>> Of course I have a camera on me.
>> Oh, you do? Here. I'll cover it. I'll cover the body cam for you.
>> Here, I'll cover the body cam, too.
>> Just a cordial.
>> Hello, Miss Rhonda. Are you okay? You look withered.
>> What do you think, L?
Oh, look. YOU MADE A SMILE.
>> COULD YOU PLEASE record some of these meetings so I don't have to keep coming back here?
>> Can I what?
>> Could you please You're the city administrator and you're the only one that can make the decision. Can you please start recording?
>> This stuff.
>> I saw the ordinances that you passed in 2023.
>> You passed.
>> You passed you.
>> Okay. The city council passed them because you asked them to.
>> No.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. That's a little demo. Let's keep it cool. Okay. We'll get some other stuff.
>> Well, you are the city administrator.
Could you Could you please start? You believe what you believe. I saw the ordinances change your mind. I understand what the ordinances say, Winston. You know what I'm talking about.
>> Yeah.
>> This is what you've chosen. You know why? I don't know.
>> I didn't. Maybe it's a good thing for you to do. You must love it. You keep >> Oh, I do love it. I love it so much. Do you love what you do?
>> Um Well, well, until you come.
>> Fantastic. So, I should come more often.
>> Well, >> uh >> I can't stop you.
>> Yeah, thankfully. Even though, you know, there's been some hot moments there for a minute. Anyway, I don't want to be confrontational cuz it's at the end of the day and you're you're off the job, right?
>> I I I it was my fault. That was not planned. I just wanted to show everybody that we can have conversations.
>> We can have conversations.
>> I don't know what's happened between you all personally, but I know that I'm new and maybe I can help.
>> I don't think there's a whole lot that's really happened between me and I personally, >> just disagreements and, you know, city politics. People hear stuff, they hear rhetoric, right?
>> They believe it. Well, it was a t >> all these people were going out and um trying to seek truth and justice, >> you know, as opposed to jargon and what's not true, >> right?
>> Could you prove me wrong though? That would be handy. You could post you could you could put Well, I mean, we could sit down and and like really have an honest conversation and I'll do the absolute I mean, I am kind of I'm naturally kind of a little bit this way.
>> I'll kick him out. How about that?
He's been cussing me all day long. I was wondering if he knew any nice words.
>> I I know some nice words.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> He's Winston is a nice guy. Otto has a mission.
>> Oh, yeah. It's It's a different character. See, my glasses are not on on my eyes. So, I'm trying to be Winston instead of auto.
>> See through those?
>> Not Not really.
>> Not at night.
>> I I really can't. There's a block that goes right in the middle of my eyeball.
>> Suppose these things.
>> Those are microphones.
>> Yeah. I have to wear microphones and body cams because I don't trust people anymore.
>> Oh, I wonder why.
>> I can't imagine why. Sometimes they sometimes they make stuff up >> and then they'll and then and then and then they'll and then they'll rewrite ordinances and file them on my criminal case and then fire the judge when the judge complains about it. But that's neither here or there.
>> That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
>> I took the glasses off though.
>> No, that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
>> That's what the judge said.
>> I don't care what he said.
>> I kind of care what what he said.
>> Make it true. I mean, it's a judge. It's a jud. It's a judge in one of the founding families of this town.
>> Well, he wasn't.
>> He was there from from early in the days. Judge Cuchinello.
>> He came back later.
>> I've been looking for him. I found I heard he died.
>> His parents were what?
>> I heard Coochinella died. Tony Cuchinello.
>> Well, I know his his both of his parents.
>> It wasn't Vanzant County, though.
>> I'm just like a third wheel in this conversation. Nobody talking about >> Yeah. So, I just met this guy a few days ago. Once he was out of here. I I don't know anything about >> Once he was fired out.
>> Once he was fired out of here. You mean No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
>> I'm trying. I'm really am trying, ma'am.
>> Oh, you know, I just think sometimes maybe you could should take into consideration consideration that everything that somebody said doesn't mean that it's true.
>> Well, you could you could say some things too and correct some of that.
>> You know, I probably could. My stance on pretty much all of it is I don't get involved.
>> Oh, she she's fine. Uh, I'm fine. She hasn't handcuffed me.
>> Oh, >> okay. No.
>> Okay. Just checking.
>> Oh, >> we can't have that.
>> Hell no. We need you guys as chill as possible. Um, yeah, that'd be great because I mean, if something is incorrect, then we we should be able to correct it through dialogue and not just rhetoric.
>> There's a whole lot of stuff that's incorrect. Yeah. But my thing is I don't get on social media and argue with them.
I do, you know, I I look and go see what's going around.
>> What are you saying that's not true?
>> I mean, I have my suspicions.
>> Well, you can believe whatever you want.
>> I have my suspicions. I've never said anything because I can't prove it.
But I have my suspicions. I mean, you're you're a member of every single group that's in town, and there's a bunch of them. So, you at least see that people >> Many of them are, you know, the people that are doing stuff that you ought to really be looking at. Uh-huh.
>> They'd be the ones that having the secret ones. You know, we're blocked from those, right?
>> I don't I don't have access to any of that.
>> Yeah. Well, I'm not I don't I have absolutely zero concern about what a person does. I'm only concerned about the government. Uh because >> you hate all government.
>> No, no, no, no, no. I hate corrupt government. And I kind of think I kind >> government, too.
>> Well, I mean, >> I do. You see, I'm trying to be I'm trying to be super >> But you're not super >> I'm trying to be super chill.
>> You're not open to anything but your train of thought.
>> Well, I mean, >> and I'm not going to, you know, waste my time.
>> Your own coun your own council is all kinds of pissed off. And I've seen the agendas, >> not the agendas, the ordinances >> that that that make you the the city administrator and the chief of police and the council has no oversight over the police department. I've also seen the internal emails that say that that they're funing money the city which is >> that's not true.
>> Well, that's what the only thing that the >> that's Citizens United is >> well then 2019 that was inaccurate.
>> I think was it 2019? I don't know. Well, that's what you said.
>> At least the one that I saw because I don't know.
>> Yeah. You responded to the email and said that you that if you didn't take do take money out of the sewer department, you'd have to shut the police department down.
>> That email. Any of those internal emails? I don't >> It was a leaked email.
>> It was not a leaked email. She did a records request for it, do you?
>> Oh, come on. I like my word better.
>> I know you do, but that doesn't make it true.
>> Well, okay. Well, because it's a it was it was somebody requested.
>> Funny stuff, right? I really do. You do some funny stuff. I don't disagree with everything that you do.
>> Thank you. Appreciate that.
>> But your antics I mean, and like I said, it makes your money, so I get it.
>> I mean, I'm struggling every day.
>> You know, maybe >> you make more money than I do.
>> Are you kidding? I'm I'm not >> I don't know where you got that impression from, but I can assure you.
>> Well, I mean, I've seen your >> You don't have a job.
>> I've seen I don't I don't I have to work for a living.
>> You don't This is your job.
>> I mean, like I said, this doesn't pay enough to to do it.
>> It doesn't. You know how I mean, I spend a lot >> just scuttlebutt, right? I don't know what you do. And is that you like go around and sue people and you've won all these lawsuits and >> I've won a handful of lawsuits >> sitting on a pass of money and >> I mean >> you know >> I don't know about all that.
>> I mean don't you have a family and all >> I do have a family me. Yeah.
>> You have to support them.
>> I I just uh I just raise the rates anytime I need extra. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
>> Come on.
>> Times you don't have to be dumb. Can you not look at the whole picture?
>> Yeah, I I think that I think that I am >> dumb. I'm just saying look at the whole picture, dude.
>> And I realize that everything that I'm saying to you is a waste.
>> It's not a waste.
>> No, this is this is the most the most dialogue we've ever had.
>> You know, you're not going to listen to me.
>> I am listening though. I just wish that that you would you instead of saying things with your with your words that you' you'd show me some records to support it. I don't know what what to look for. You know you know all the you know how to prove all the things that you're saying.
>> Of course I do.
>> Okay. Well, could you give me a list of things that I could request?
No.
>> Well, then why not?
>> Well, that depends.
>> What What should I request that's going to prove the things that you say >> that I should do that I should go out and defend myself because someone said something?
>> Well, I'm saying a lot of things. I'm saying a lot of things and I'm gonna I'm gonna continue saying those things unless I have some reason to >> Well, I would rather say the I would rather say the correct things.
>> No, you wouldn't.
>> I would you would rather say what things are being said to you about and I'm sure it's way more >> Well, let me tell you this.
>> It's kind of in your nature to be a smart ass.
>> I It is. It is. It is. And I'm good at it and I understand that. I'm [ __ ] phenomenal at it. Um, but let me tell you, I get people every day, five or six, sometimes five or six people a day tell me that I should in look at this or look at that and they'll send me a bunch of information. Uh, and some of it is like, oh man, this has all the all the makings of a good of a good case of a good story, but I have to verify all that. I trust, but verifies as I told this guy uh about about everything that I've been talking to him about. I said, "Look, you know, don't trust me. Verify it."
>> That's why the records request it for myself.
>> Yeah. So, and don't don't take don't get don't get the records from me. Get it from some, you know, get it from them.
Right.
>> Um because because I don't want to put my reputation out there and be baldfaced wrong. That's why.
>> But you do it every day >> here, >> all over the place. Now, what you got going on over there? That other city >> in Trinidad? Is that the only one?
>> Well, I mean, I don't really know. point and point. Uh, I broke that story and then they and then they found out there was $200,000 missing. And then Campbell, I broke that story and found out that there was >> $30,000 spent on Tik Tok.
>> I heard about that.
>> Yeah, you was me. Yeah.
>> See, that's >> I'm busy as [ __ ] man.
>> Shit's [ __ ] up and stuff.
>> It makes sense, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, the city of the city of the city Yeah. on the Tik Tok shop. She also bought uh injectable.
>> She is in who? the it was the city uh secretary.
>> Oh, that was city money.
>> Yeah. On the city credit card. She paid her water bill.
>> She paid her water bill in a different city. And I was like I got the record. I was like, "Oh, her city money with city money."
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. She's She's uh she left to Illinois.
>> She She quit. She resigned. As soon as I got the as I filed the record, she resigned. this a secretary that came in behind her filled the request and um I barely even got the story written before the Texas Rangers were investigating it.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. I'm keeping those [ __ ] busy.
>> So So bridging the gap, you know, there there's some very [ __ ] up [ __ ] out there which you know, >> honestly, forgive us.
>> The city of the city of Cumbi, the mayor wrote herself a $5,000 ticket. I was on my way to a council.
>> She did what? wrote herself, well, she wrote a check for $5,000 in cash, cashed it, and then took the money and bought herself tires on her Tahoe and went on vacation. Um, >> yeah, her personal vehicle.
>> Yeah. I mean, not very bright, right?
Um, the whistleblower the whistleblower told me and we were going to confront the council like we do here um with that, but they have they have open com open comments so we could actually present stuff. So, what you're telling me is that that actually happened or >> Oh, it it for sure happened. She was arrested and plead guilty uh just about a week ago. And I haven't even gotten the full story. Yeah, ma'am.
>> Yeah. I haven't even gotten the full story out because I'm still working >> [ __ ] up and stuff.
>> I'm still working. Um they they wrote $3 million worth of parking tickets to truckers out of truck stop that they don't have any jurisdiction in. And I'm still I'm still pouring.
>> That's not funny. That's terrible.
>> It's terrible, but it's unbelievably funny.
>> But is it true?
>> Yeah, it's true. Well, again, >> I mean, I know I know that they >> not true, but I'm saying if if that's what happened.
>> So, the city the the chief of police says that they have jurisdiction. I don't think that they do. It's a Texas owned >> I don't think that they do. This is the part that I'm trying to verify before I run the story.
>> Okay. I know that they wrote $3 million worth of tickets last year. That's a lot.
>> But you're saying it's outside of their jurisdiction?
>> It's outside of the city limits. They Well, because it was outside of the city limits, >> right? But it doesn't. It depends on what type of city they are.
>> Uhuh. Like if it's a type A city.
>> Well, depending on Well, there's a whole bunch of different kinds. I'm saying different rules apply depending on what type of city they are and what is their extr territorial.
>> And see, and these are all the little details I'm trying to work out before I post a story and look like a fool, >> you know. So, I am I I I I really try to make sure that I'm not full of it when I say something. I don't believe >> and and I'm here.
>> I don't believe that.
>> I'm here because >> I've been listening to you for a long time saying a whole lot of stuff that just ain't true.
>> Are you a super fan? You should become a channel member and watch my behind the scenes activities.
>> I can't afford to win.
>> It's only a dollar a month. You can afford it?
>> Well, hey, I make so much money.
>> Actually, as the chief of police, you should be able to do that as part of an investigative budget. Oh, >> we have one of those.
>> Well, I mean, $60,000 a year is the budget, isn't it?
for me >> for the police department.
>> Uh, probably not. I don't know what it is.
>> Is it more or less?
>> It's probably that might be close.
>> Might be close. And and the tax base for the city is like 68 something like that.
>> 68,000 in in property taxes. Is that was collected?
>> The total is >> I think I think I'm pretty close. Well, what I do know is the total of the M and the debt service is 77.
>> Wow, that's not very much.
>> Well, why don't you really do some homework, Winston?
>> Well, really, >> you know, I was just in there a minute ago saying if this dude would actually look >> Uhhuh.
>> instead of, you know, I mean, >> well, you won't tell me what to look for. You want to stand out in the in the parking lot and call me a [ __ ] [ __ ] all day and say happy [ __ ] >> I did not. You can't prove it. You're not a channel member. YOU CAN'T PROVE IT.
>> BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE IT CUZ your security cameras don't work.
>> You know what? That really sucks.
>> Yes, it does. Cuz I would desperately like to have the evidence of that. Well, we had where is >> and I and I tried to I tried to do a record request earlier.
>> Yeah, that's the old one.
>> Okay. So, we had that. It was working.
It was working when y'all decided it was a funny idea to paint a pot leaf on the side of the field.
>> I I never What's the statute of limitations on that?
>> Does it matter?
>> It does. It certainly does.
It certainly does, ma'am. I had nothing to do with that.
>> Oh, it's black.
>> I'm so I'm so sorry.
>> I do the same thing sometimes.
>> I got I got tonitis real bad.
>> Here's the deal.
The state law says that you shall your governing body shall generate enough and adalum tax >> to cover your maintenance and operations for your whatever city it is, right?
Feel free to read it yourself because I will of course >> it says that you have to do that. You have to pay you have to generate enough tax revenue to cover your debt service and your maintenance and operations.
>> Okay.
>> Debt service obviously is the USDA.
That's the city's biggest.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, it all began around 2005.
Um 2007, I think, is when they first started pay Yeah. when the city got into that.
>> Uh Miss Bernard actually touched on one thing. I don't agree with her rarely.
>> I mean, fair.
>> Um but she did bring that part up that come from an engineer study. She said they got the numbers from Quinland. They really didn't get the numbers from Quinnland. It's a kind of a standard thing that you're when when you have a big project anywhere that rural development is involved in then they're going to base everything on engineer studies, populist studies, >> growth rates. You know what what are >> projected growth rates.
>> Projected growth rates. Exactly. And I think I just mentioned this to you inside something to look at because it's in the history. It's there. Yep. you know, is that when they when they first annexed the city, which I think was 99 when they decided to become a city.
>> I think that's right.
>> They wanted to get away from, you know, the the Whiskers Retreat, you know, stuff that's across the road and it be a good place for I think all the founding forefathers and mothers had a had a good plan. I think I wasn't here when they did it, but seems to me from everything I can find, they had a they had a good idea and that, you know, that's what they wanted to do. But when that did happen, when that changed and then the area, because it's not based on the city limits or the ETJ, it's based on the area. And remember, this was back before the 2008 economy crash, right?
>> Had even been recognized, >> right? Because we're talking about they're starting their debt in ' 07, right?
>> At any rate, when they became a city, became incorporated, >> it boosted up the number of people that lived here, right? because they came incorporated, they had not not the ETJ.
Um, but the incorporated limits, which is little here. I mean, if you look up the mapage, >> less than half a square mile.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's T90.
>> Um, so they were kind of in a pickle from the get-go because they were literally off of a county road. No highways, no no even farm to market road >> running through. But you know what? They still went ahead >> and did that. And then here comes these engineers and the big dogs. I think there was a lot of stuff that was happening from people having uh oh what do you call them not aerobics but the things before that >> septic systems septic tanks. Yeah.
>> So they were all over the place and from what I understand um EPA Sabine River Authority came in and said hey you know >> now that you guys are a city you kind of got got to start doing stuff that cities have to do. and you have all these problems and you're in such close proximity to a lake, >> you're going to need to find an an alternative because you you can't do this. Exactly.
>> You know, like you can't allow >> it's too much.
>> It's too much. You can't allow those things to not all the seepage and what have you.
>> I think that's how it was born. I mean, that's how the idea was born.
>> Makes sense. And I think the idea was good, but I think when they put all their numbers together, >> um, they did use projections, >> bad projections. And then, >> well, I don't know that the projections were necessarily bad, >> but I think that's what's available at the time, >> right?
>> And so when when you take a city, well, when you don't have it, it's uninorporated, and then you put it together.
>> Um, I think the number I saw was like two 26.5 maybe. Anyways, it made in the projections, it made that number jump up to 25.2.
>> I mean, you can get mad and say, "Well, USDA did the bad thing or that council that was there at the time, they did the bad thing, but everybody that was going to do any new project, no matter where it was, Hot Coast, Texas, USA, or whatever other city is around that was in that situation, is going to use that engineer study, you know, to base those numbers off." And I I really think in my opinion for the from the beginning it was um a failed you know was a failed system because I know I heard somebody say something about they said you have to have this pretty sure the number that the USDA required for sewer customers for the new thing would have been I'm sorry my mouth is so dry.
>> You're okay.
>> I understand. Would you like a bottle of water?
>> Okay.
>> I'll have to grab one in a minute.
>> Yeah. I'm dying.
>> Was 250.
that said they had to have 250 sewer customers.
>> Well, there's another town, Brandy Burwell talked about one up north.
>> And the problem with with us in Hawk Cove, if you want to know how to like uh be a a basketball star when you grow up, you hang around basketball star.
>> If you're going to try to figure out how to get your um your way out of a problem that you found yourself in, you're going to go find a model that's similar to yours, right? and say, "Well, what did they do? How did they do it?"
>> Hotco is a hybrid. You know, it is a package plant. It was built um I guess it was completed in 2005 5 to 7 when the debt started.
>> They did the permitting for that thing for 200 uh two over I think the permit for TCQ is 200,000 gallons per day >> back then.
No way. It wasn't here. it wasn't generated.
>> We're in 2026 and there's not 250 customers, >> right?
>> You know, if this council can get together, and I hope they can. They they stop fighting, >> look at the numbers, figure out how to save themselves, stop being their own worst enemies.
>> Yes, >> it is doable. And I don't know of a whole lot of places that the USDA is willing to do, you know, to help. I mean, could they come in here and absolutely send them off to receivership? And >> they could. Yeah. I pray to God they don't because I know how hard I personally have worked, >> you know, to get them back at the table to keep them at the table, >> right?
>> And do everything that we can do to not make that cost go up.
>> Don't make it go up, you Well, I mean, from the the perspective of the council, it seems like they feel they at least they feel from my outsider perspective, and I'm not on the council. It they it seems like they feel like they're being that the information is being withheld from them.
>> It's not though, Winston. Everything.
Okay. So, >> they all seem to have >> Not they all >> Well, I mean, >> not they all the >> the ones that have that like mine, you know, I don't know if I can change their mind or not. Uh-huh.
>> Um, I had told them before because uh, we went to the table with them back in 2019.
>> Mhm.
>> And, you know, looking at the numbers and what it's costing, you know, the USDA got mad when the number went from whatever the rate was up to the two, I'm sorry, the 121 a month. City of Hawk Code had had no choice. That number is based 100% off your cost of operations.
So just let me ask you this on a logic side. If you're going up and down the street and you're telling all your citizens out here, ah yeah, you don't like that TCQ pitch, call TCQ, >> go ahead, call them because what happens if >> DCQ comes out and they find an infraction >> on something that's supposed to be 200,000 gallons that can't be. It physically cannot be because you don't have enough customer base to cover that.
And then if you have a council that is unwilling, unwilling, absolutely refused, at least three times, please check that out.
>> Okay. Yeah, sure.
>> Okay. At least three times.
>> When you tell them, and I know for a fact because I told them, I saw the numbers what we got back from the county. What we were told the administration on paper from the county is you need a$18 per $100 evaluation that's going to cover your maintenance and operation and it's based on your debt service. Like you don't get to go make numbers up.
>> Mhm.
>> Because it's an INS account that is funded by taxpayers and the federal government is the purpose of it to pay them.
>> Right.
>> Okay. And it only is going to generate what it's going to generate as people pay taxes. And if you know and and I'm the one who stood up there and said this is what we're being told from the financial advisors. You need a dollar eight. Okay. On the dollar8 per $100 valuation, you're going to receive a shortfall in your debt service. However, I think we could be hopeful that some of your u monies that were coming in on delinquencies, for example, should be able to cover that.
What did they do? The council member turned around and said, "I'll make a motion. and we adopt 64 cents, >> right?
>> And I'm like, uh, well, that's illegal according to the constitution and your own laws that you can't do that. And then what happened? Another one seconded it and they voted for it. Okay. Well, it's an illegal tax rate. So, they couldn't >> because it's too low. It's too low to >> because it didn't meet the M and it didn't meet the debt service. Okay.
>> It's a requirement and I, like I said, I don't really care what city it is. Now, home rule cities, uh, charter cities, you know, I don't know if that's the same way there.
>> They have more flexibility, but >> well, they have a lot more flexibility, but we're type eight general laws.
>> You're very strict.
>> So, yeah, and that's what you have to live by is the general law, right?
>> Um, so they said, "No, we're not doing that. We're not doing that." And that ain't the first time, >> right?
>> And and and it's easy to say, "What's wrong?" You know what? Blame it. Well, I say that because in 2023, there was nine ordinances passed in 30 days.
>> And have you ever heard of hold over under the Constitution? What >> did you ever think in your mind, what would make a governing body do such a thing?
>> I thought about it a lot of times.
>> But maybe you're looking at it from a different perspective and maybe you should allow yourself. How old are you?
36 maybe.
>> Oh, you're so sweet. I'm 42. Something like that.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> I didn't think you made it that far yet.
Yeah, >> I didn't mean it that negatively. I was kind of guesstimating. I appreciate it.
When I first met him, I was shocked to find out he was in his 40s.
>> Yeah, I don't think I'm I don't think I knew that.
>> I'm 34.
>> But at any rate, it you know, it's it's just we don't make the rules. So, in tax code, >> I believe chapter 26, >> I call it the default mechanism in the tax code. So that if your um if your governing body refuses, fails, is unable >> Yes.
>> to adopt a tax by the deadline, then you kind of have no choice but to go with last year's rate or revenue rate, whichever is the lower of the two.
>> Okay. And then more food for thought, the year before that, and I'm talking about last year in September, you know, you have fiscal year end September 30th begins October one, right?
>> They just would not do it. they just wouldn't do it. I'm just a city administrator.
>> I don't have power over, you know, their vote. They are the ones that have that power in that vote.
>> Before that, two council members decided to run against incumbent candidates.
>> They were already the candidates were already on the council, but they wanted to play politics and run against two seated council members. Right now, I'm getting this flood of phone calls. They can't do that. And I'm like, you know what? Taipei cities do not have a resign to run rule like you would in the counties.
>> So in essence, you can sit in your seat on that council, run for that office. If you win, >> you win. You get it. If you don't win, stay seated.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. So when that happened, Texas law says if you vacate two seats simultaneously, that's in the election code, um you have to have a special election.
>> Everybody went Missouri. They're lying.
They're taking advantage of us. That's not true.
>> Well, just a couple years ago you appointed two councilmen.
>> No, that was No, no, no.
>> Um, it wasn't a couple of years ago when >> it was a couple years before that. I I remember what you're talking about.
You're talking about the uh 2033 election.
>> Yeah, the 2023 election. That's a different thing.
>> That was a [ __ ] [ __ ] show.
>> Okay. The one before that. No, it was I can't remember what year it was. Neither do I. But there was two there was two councilmen that that two vacant seats and the council appointed >> Right. But what happened on that one was because sometime down the line and I wasn't the city administrator so it was before that um there were two council people and they were they were put on the council at separate times.
>> Mhm.
>> Um and I was a city secretary. It had to be pre20 2016 because there was a city secretary there. Anyways, she's the one that I guess told the mayor or whatever and the council, you know, voted for those people. And the only reason I knew that is because when they started something went wrong and I and said those people can't be on the council because they're not registered voters, but the council had already appointed them.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. So, they did not fall under Oh, >> brand new.
>> Oh, you are so welcome.
>> Um, but so they did not fall under the two simultaneous vacancies.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, I remember what the city attorney told them. Like I said, I wasn't really involved, but I just I just remember.
And they were told that it was considered void aio and that they could replace the council members independently. Um because one was appointed at one time and one was appointed at a separate time, but because neither of the two females that they had appointed were were voters.
They were not registered voters, which is the criteria. I mean, the criteria to run for council isn't massive.
I'm good. I'll be in a minute.
>> But that's what they kept referencing back. That's why I said sometimes, dude, you just say stuff and you don't do your homework.
>> Well, I try to do my homework, but this is hard and I'm not getting paid for it.
>> You know, you >> you're making something or you wouldn't keep doing it.
>> I do it because I love this country.
>> I love this country too, Winston.
>> Well, we're fighting for the same thing.
We just might be on separate lines at some time.
>> I just know You believe gossip, jargon, and rhetoric.
>> Uhuh.
>> And then people react on that.
>> That's not good.
>> Well, I also you also have to admit that there's not a whole lot of transparency here.
>> You guys you guys don't post anything.
>> Well, you don't post anything. Nobody's allowed to say anything. The the mayor won't accept open records. The you know >> What do you mean the mayor won't accept open records? Not >> even tried tried to hand out tried to hand out a packet the other night about the the trash rate. You wouldn't even touch it. Transparency.
>> Yeah, I love transparency.
>> Tell me >> you put foil on the windows today >> because it's freaking hot.
>> It's in the shade.
>> You didn't You didn't put foil on the window behind the council lady.
>> Behind what council lady?
>> On the other side of the building.
There's no foil on those windows.
>> Oh, we didn't have time.
>> But you had time to fill these ones.
>> And just so you just so you know, I didn't have anything to do with it.
>> I know. Blame it onbody else.
>> It was Linda. You know who is Linda?
>> It was Linda.
>> Linda.
>> It was Linda that put the the foil up there.
>> Uh I don't know which one of them did it. Like I said, I wasn't >> It was Linda.
>> But >> I was thorough. You know, >> I do the best I can.
>> Then be thorough. Just Why you got to make up stories?
>> I try not to make up stories.
>> I'm sure somebody probably >> started releasing some records. I take it upon yourself to public to post some stuff. Starting with the agenda would be nice and maybe set up a live stream so that we don't have to keep coming back here.
>> We're poor. Did you here while we can't pay the damn debt?
>> You have you already paid for the internet and you already have a laptop.
You could easily you could just stream.
>> I don't have a laptop.
>> Somebody had a laptop. You got a cell phone?
>> Not even own a laptop.
>> You got a cell phone. Hey. Hey. Even Even though the little simple kids are are running Tik Tok entire Tik Tok channels off their cell phone.
>> You're you're a smart lady, you know, despite what I say about you on the internet. Uh, you can figure out how to start a live stream. Hey, look, I guarantee you that you're that that West Towakin can can assist you with figuring out how to do that. They're just right down the road. You know where they're at, don't you?
>> Our current mayor's really really uh smart when it comes to things like >> part of the reason for that I I mean, the truth is we're a skeleton crew. I I remember telling the council at one point in time, they said, "We want this and we want that, we want this." And I was like, "I know." Well, >> you got a wellunded police department.
Oh, we don't.
>> You got 12 people on your roster.
>> Yeah. And they're not paid, Winston.
>> Oh, none of them are.
>> I got a couple. They're making 15 bucks an hour.
>> That's pretty good.
>> No, it isn't.
>> Can I Can I Can I Can I be a police officer?
>> Uh, you know, that might make me one I like.
Really? Call you a pain in MY ASS.
>> OH, MAN. I guarant you're going to receive an application. But >> can you imagine going to you going to the police academy?
>> Good morning, boss.
>> It'd be fantastic. Hey, I've seen the physical requirements these days. I I'm sure I could knock that sucker out of the park.
>> I made a 250 on my uh CHL.
>> Smart, too.
>> I'm pretty smart. I'm I I know. Well, I mean, I don't have as much training hours as some of your uh as some of your officers do. Some of them have four and 6,000 hours.
>> Well, >> how many That's a lot.
>> Hold on.
>> How many training hours do you have?
>> I couldn't tell you.
>> I could tell you. I bet you >> it's 1,100 the bare minimum do a whole lot more but I don't get to just >> Well, they do online classes for TCole.
>> Yeah, they do.
>> And and and you've taken you've taken an awful lot of those, haven't you? Online classes. See, ma'am, don't get me Look, we're trying to have a nice conversation. Stop provoking me. You just provoke your damn self.
>> Too much provocation to be an [ __ ] >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I I do that [ __ ] for free.
>> All need to remember there's two sides to every story.
>> There certainly is. And I would love to hear more about your side of it. Um, but you could shut me up real quickly by just posting the records that prove me wrong. That would I would shut up immediately. Can I uh get off work one of these days that I could probably just find all this time to do just that?
>> Uhhuh. Well, I mean, if you if you'll just Well, you have a city secretary.
Um, if you'll just tell me what to request, that will will quash my fears.
I'll request it and then and I won't even hold you to the the promptly requirement. You could just provide it when you have time like you didn't do with this.
>> Really get to make deals like that. So, I mean, we we follow TPA. That's what we do. We follow the TPIA like we're supposed to.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, >> look, don't provoke me, ma'am.
>> Like I said, if you what I do know for a fact is that if you were really doing your homework and you were really honestly genuinely looking for facts, >> you wouldn't be doing some of the stuff you're doing.
>> Oh, here or just in general? because I've got a pretty good track record. I got a pretty damn good track record.
>> I got a really good track record. Um, and if I am making a mistake, then I'll own it and my credibility will be shot and and and everybody will unsubscribe from me.
>> You know, I I got to say I appreciate you even taking the time to to chat with me for a minute.
>> I appreciate you for taking the time to chat with me.
I appreciate I'm nobody nobody is more shocked than me >> that we're having this conversation >> because I mean we we have had some and that doesn't mean that you know when I put the glasses on it doesn't mean I'm you know but we don't have to be it doesn't it's it's not it's not >> stop it >> look it doesn't it it's supposed to be fun and funny and I know that it's not fun or funny for you >> but as soon as you're off work ma'am >> the whole situation for This city is not fun or funny.
>> No, but I'm trying to make it fun and funny so that people will pay attention to it. It can be.
>> I think it's pretty [ __ ] funny.
>> Well, that's because you have a warp sense of humor.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, >> I do.
>> We've been through some [ __ ] up [ __ ] >> You know, >> I didn't have I did I wasn't this bad until my kids until they took my kids away.
>> You know that I wasn't this bad until he took my kids away. And then I got I got so I got so dark that I couldn't handle it anymore. I hated myself and everybody around me.
And I was like, "Dude, >> just became angry.
>> I can't No, I'm I'm happy. I'm happy because everything's a [ __ ] joke to me."
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, I was so dark. I was so dark. I was telling jokes. You've heard some of the jokes, haven't you?
>> Ma'am, are you carrying a sidearm?
>> Would you would you would you mind? Is that one of the jokes?
>> That's one of the jokes. Are, you know, I'll like, "Are you carrying a sidearm?"
They'll be like, "Well, yeah." I'm like, "Well, well, you know, will you will you uh commit suicide? Will you shoot yourself in the [ __ ] head?"
>> You think that's funny?
>> I did at the time. And that's terrible, isn't it? If I brought you if I gave you a bottle of water and a box of bullets, would you swallow one for me? Is that funny?
>> No.
>> It was at the time. That's how [ __ ] up I was. And I apologize.
>> Funny now.
>> It's not funny now. No. Do you do you hear some of the stuff that your followers say?
>> Yeah, but but honestly at the time that all that >> I know what you're going to say. I'm not responsible for what they do, but you know what?
>> I I provoked.
>> So at the at the time that those phone those particular phone calls were made that was published on the shredding or cat video.
>> What about >> I didn't have any subscribers >> day and the day before that.
>> Are they still calling you?
>> What do you think, Winston?
>> Well, I don't know. Are you recording it?
>> Why don't you think?
>> Are you recording it?
>> Why don't you think? Well, let me get a copy of them. I tell them to not be me be mean.
>> Why are they calling my phone?
>> What's your phone number?
>> Where'd they get it? I don't have your [ __ ] >> about your hat. Don't be lying.
>> OH, I DID. I didn't know that was >> Yeah. Yeah, you do.
>> I DID. AH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. I didn't get I don't I haven't given your I don't give your number out, though. Is your number still posted on the sewer plant?
>> I understand.
>> No, thank God.
>> Well, I don't give your number out.
I don't I don't give numbers out anymore.
>> Can you give your number to me?
>> I'm just kidding.
>> He's gonna do what he wants.
>> I'm just kidding.
>> I gotta go. But >> thank you, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah. Go have go have a good evening. Thanks for Thanks for talking with me.
>> Yeah. Thank you for your time and enjoy dinner. It was nice to meet you.
Seriously.
>> May I send you sing you one more song?
>> I'm not going to lie.
>> No. No. You'll be good. I'll yell at you before you do.
trying to back out.
I have the right to be an [ __ ] You have the right to be a [ __ ] I'm sorry, ma'am. We have the right to be stupid, [ __ ] but you still have to listen to my [ __ ] Thank you, ma'am. It was a pleasure speaking with you.
Have a great night.
>> Oh, it's okay. I'll They're going to die of a heart attack.
WOULD YOU LIKE COFFEE IN THE MORNING, MISS MCKEHAN?
UH, GUYS, that was the most phenomenal conversation with that lady I've ever had in my entire life.
>> That was [ __ ] amazing.
>> And it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for you. I'm almost certain of it. Um, this is Ron Helms.
This is Ron Helms. He runs a Facebook page, WatchtowerCI.
>> Yep. And watchtowwerci.com.
>> And watchtowwerci.com.
Uh, you can barely either even see either one of us cuz it is dark.
>> Dark as [ __ ] Maybe if we >> uh maybe we should get the [ __ ] out of here and actually be normal human beings.
>> Probably. You know who the hell says we're 9 almost 9:15.
>> We had a phenomenal conversation. We got more information during that conversation than I've gotten from this city since 2018.
>> That's amazing. That's actually incredible.
>> It is. So, uh, I'm going to fact check every [ __ ] second of that. You know, I am. Uh, hopefully some of my opinions change and and Miss Rhonda and I will come to a a closer conclusion. Um, I will hold my breath until that happens.
No, I won't. But I am going to I will make a good faith effort to to make sure Oh, you're so sweet. I I have lighting in the bus, too.
>> Um, so we're going to roll out here because it's already dark and I don't want to be here any longer than I have to. I've been here for 12 hours.
>> Wow. And I have a almost two-hour drive home.
>> Over 12 hours today.
>> Oh. Uh, we're doing a TV show.
>> Uh, it's it's the the worst little town in Texas. It's kind of based on on on like old movies where they were like, you know, had a wh house in town, but it's not going very well. I keep forgetting my lines.
It's a It's about a It's about a brothel that's employed entirely by old behaggled bags and they're going broke and they owe the federal government $1.4 million.
>> No, it already is. It already is. I'm just making a film about it here. Let me tell you. Um, so there was a council meeting tonight and uh >> there was a >> I know um but it's it's on the internet if you want to look at it. Um there >> Hawk Cove Council meetings. You can look just Google it. I'm Otto the watchdog.
So I'm Otto the watchdog. Oo the watchdog. Um, I'm probably, you know, I'm a little bit sometimes I get out there a little bit, >> sometimes a little abrasive, but it's supposed to be funny.
Um, and I do YouTube videos and I post things on Facebook. And I'm covering this town. I've been covering this town since 2018. And I got to tell you, that's me. And, uh, I got to tell you, yeah, this is, this town has captured my imagination since 2018. Um, because they've they're so broke. Yeah, that's that's me. There you go.
Um, >> nice to meet you.
>> And we've just been we've been trying to tell this story for a long time and we've had a lot of issues here and I would tell you all about it, but right now I've been standing out here for 12 hours and I am I am wet.
>> Were you out here for 12 hours?
>> I've been telling this story for 12 hours. Oh, ma'am, I'm wet. My boots are sloshy.
>> I bet.
>> Okay. So, here >> I live in Corsana.
>> No. And I I came from Houston.
>> Yeah. I'm on I'm on assignment >> and my tire is leaking. So, wish me luck.
>> Yeah, we we came up >> Yeah, I have a half a battery left. I should make it home.
>> We came We came up here to cover the council meeting tonight. Um they're they're planning on on a one a 40year plan to get out of debt and Yeah, because they've been paying on a sewer debt since 2017 and they've made zero prog almost zero progress.
>> Yeah, it's ridiculously expensive. And uh >> they charge it everywhere.
>> Yeah. No places where we had just accept it.
>> Yeah.
>> Country had to move out here.
>> $120 and they just upped your sewer bill.
>> It's like $150.
>> Yeah. After the trash.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then if you don't pay it on time, they try to find another.
>> And that Yeah. And if it's if it's 30 if it's a month late, then they double it.
So you you end up paying two months.
It's it's a fiasco. And we're just trying to tell the story and I'm trying to be humorous about it because uh when when you tell something about, you know, a city in debt, it's not very much fun.
>> Yeah. I don't understand like I guess I don't know. Maybe they don't know how to apply for grants or something. There's got to be grants. There is they they they got a grant to build the sewer system and then they defaulted on the loan so they haven't been able to get any more since then.
>> You don't have to pay back.
>> Well, they got a they got a half million dollar grant and a $ 1.5 million loan and they used that for the sewer plant >> here to pay that.
>> No, there wasn't at the time and there's still not. And that's kind of what the problem is.
>> Yeah.
But there was so many people that moved out that all the people that moved in just just balanced it.
>> It didn't offset. So there's not more people than there was.
>> Yeah.
>> So it's a whole fiasco. And I'm I'm expecting this this place to be a featurelength documentary at some point on Netflix.
>> I don't understand why Quinland hasn't just incorporated >> because technically we are Quinnland. I mean this used to be part of Quinland.
They used to actually just have >> if they don't go bankrupt first, your sewer bills are going to be like $200 a month.
>> It's getting it's getting it's a whole thing, ma'am. Um >> you'll be lucky if they're that low.
>> It's a whole thing. And you're right about a lot of it.
>> Yeah. And and then the the the code and all the permits and fees associated with that. But they're using those permits and fees to try and and fund the city.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. So that's why there's so many of them.
>> Yeah. There's just not enough property taxes. They can't even identify uh who owns most of the property here. Um >> yeah, you know what's up.
>> Well, back in the day like county was known as the drug, >> specifically the the amphetamine capital. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
in the world.
>> I mean, I don't doubt it. I have no no reason to doubt it.
>> So, >> Oh, you're good.
>> No, you're good.
>> Yeah, you're good. I appreciate you so much.
>> You're welcome.
>> I hope you have a good evening and I'm sure we'll see each other around. I'm not hard to find.
>> Yeah, you're back. I >> Yeah, just look Just look for the big white bus. I got to get out of here before they decide that we're trespassing. Thank you, ma'am.
>> Turn your camera this way.
>> Okay. Oh, thank you. Um Okay, guys. We have to we have to kill this and get out because it is too late. And this has been going on all all day long. People have been sobbing and asking me what's going on. So, I love you guys. I'm Otto and we are the watchdog and this has been one of the best council meetings I've ever been to.
>> Uh it was awesome. I think the conversation at the end was the best. Um please like and subscribe. Become a channel member if you if you uh support what we do. This is Ron Helms and and I am Otto the Watchdog.
>> Nice to meet you, man. I love it.
>> For the first time. for the first time.
Okay, bye.
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