This video explores how anti-LGBTQ+ laws in many African nations were established during the colonial period by European powers like Britain and France, creating a complex relationship between African societies and LGBTQ+ rights. The discussion examines whether current African opposition to LGBTQ+ movements stems from cultural preservation, religious beliefs, or resistance to Western ideological imposition. The content presents multiple perspectives, including arguments that pre-colonial African societies had their own understandings of same-sex relationships, while others argue that colonial powers deliberately suppressed these practices. The debate highlights tensions between cultural sovereignty, religious values, and human rights frameworks, with participants questioning whether LGBTQ+ rights should be considered universal human rights or culturally specific concepts.
LGBTQ+ Identities, and Colonization: What Changed, What Didn't?
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Why is this [ __ ] so hard to open? So lately, you know, we are in the pride month. Lately, the uh conversation of LGBTQ and LGBTQ plus support and so on has been at the forefront of uh many conversations. And with that said, we are speaking of uh postc colonial nations uh such as many African nations and their support or their disapproval of the LGBTQ movement.
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And I for one am in a path where I understand why people may claim that they are against or for uh samesex marriage or samesex interaction. But what is important to note that the anti-colon anti- LGBTQ laws that we have in if not all but many African countries are mainly and I would say that without hesitation they are created by their formal colonial rulers such as France, Britain and so on. They are the people who pushed the um LGBTQ laws that we have as of anti-sodomy law. If I will put it in uh more specific terms, anti-sodomy sodomy law, sodomy, as the guy would say, you know, the why are you gay guy from Uganda? Anti-sodomy laws were created by former colonial masters. But when it comes to the criminalization of el um samesex interaction that means it becoming a law where you will be prisoned by the country or the police is one is created by the African nations itself as of recent history. Okay maybe from 2023 and and uh uh onwards or up to present date. I remember during the Obama administration, Barack Obama was out there trying to encourage uh many Africans to African nation to accept um the LGBTQ movement or samesex marriage and make it law. And one thing that it is funny to to me and many other Africans is when it comes to the normalization and the denormalization of of behavior where uh prior to uh modern day the westerners claim that samesex marriage was forbidden, illegal and so on. But now you find yourself in a crossroads where the same people are now encouraging [snorts] Africans to accept same-sex marriage. And here comes the conflict that are Africans rejecting the idea behind the LGBTQ movement just because it is uh of same sex or is it because it is pushed an ideology pushed by their former colonial masters and Africans are at the point where they said [snorts] that we will not accept things that are from these people again you So one must think you know when people I remember I had this discussion uh with a customer of mine where he was like uh why is it that many African nations are against the LGBTQ movement and I said well uh as an African myself and someone who have lived in the continent I will tell you this that I remember during the times where HIV AIDS and other diseases were prominent in in many parts of Africa where uh I remember in school you know be aware of HIV AIDS and and so on we were taught and we came to a point where HIV AIDS was eradic almost eradicated you know people had control over disease or STDs and I asked him if let's say many African nations should legitimize LGBTQ or samesex marriage and there should be a new outbreak of uh unknown disease and there came a time where people were supposed to donate money to help um these Africans to to cure this disease be the new HIV outbreak. Are you going to donate money from your pocket to bolster the uh what what happened to my sound to bolster aid or what are you going to do to help um prevent you know spread of such disease and he was dumbfounded in ways that he hadn't thought about it because as a westerner when you push ideologies and agenda upon people you do it from the western the lens of the western person or a um Europe European, but you don't think of the uh how do I call it? Uh the needs of the African.
Why are we forbidding the um LGBTQ movement within the continent of Africa or criminalizing the LGBTQ movement? That's why I have the prompts.
The third question, which is the one that I I most definitely want to talk about, which is what is your best argument for or against the LGBTQ plus?
That's one thing I think many people need to tackle. And we will we will dive into the history behind uh many LGBTQ activities, if I might say it in prior to colonization, if we had as Africans something close to being gay or uh lesbian, you know. Hello, Mystic. How do you do?
>> Good Sunday.
>> Good Sunday indeed.
>> Yeah. you you have you have a new topic. That's that's how I like it. By the way, I like very variation, you know.
>> Of course, my my topics are are varied.
They they vary. They vary from from week to week.
>> Almost the same >> and yeah, but this one is >> this is a hot topic. This is hot topic.
Huh? [laughter] Okay. So, so as of I a person who have lived among Africans and have eyewitnessed what I will claim or what westerners claim to be lesbianism is this you know in in many what we call as what westerners describe as African spirituality. you find that there are traits or um of what we classify as lesbianism within at least I would say my tribe and I I'm saying this openly now where we see people especially the women practice something or I won't say practice but behave in ways where you would call it lesbian or gay okay uh where in in many in many aspects is only preserved or more prominent in uh people who are high priestesses uh which we call them as will know those who embody the spirits of our ancestors or the nature those are the ones that usually practice um yeah samesex uh interactions. But when it comes to gayness as of man on man is something that is little or not practiced in the same regard as uh female on female interactions.
So once you ask themselves the question how did you go from a society where people practice uh some form of uh samesex interactions to it being totally forbidden. Is it one thing you want to touch on? Uh maybe you share your experiences in the Ethiopian um how do you call it? Uh country of Ethiopia mystic.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I'm not actually taking but it doesn't matter.
>> Okay.
>> Uh this idea I think um is mostly I I believe myself related to the white man concept.
>> Mhm.
>> I don't believe it's natural or it had been performing any race. I it may have been in some very small or very small thing like in this but I do I don't believe that this was very like used to be like today. Um I do I do have history reading about them like in the back civilization that's the more popular uh when you when you talk about this LGBTQ mostly is that religious space that's the foundation of Babylon >> and uh in that case we call them uh from that perspective which is a very like insulting and very bad word to even to use for uh people.
Here's the thing. I I see this uh this LGBTQ like lesbian, gay, something like that is very hard even for for those uh people who speak semantic.
>> What do you mean? What do you mean >> in that the language semantic is specific made every word for uh uh women and to men like is connected to two gender.
>> Okay. Different genders. Everything is is okay. Separate genders. So, okay. I understand what you're trying to say.
>> It's like you end the key to women car to man.
>> When you change the definition is solid into complete the language becomes unstable.
>> Okay.
>> That one.
>> Let me ask you a question. What is your before we continue, what are your standing, your personal standing about the LGBTQ?
>> I I I don't support them. I I of course >> and and why don't you support the LGBTQ outside of religious religious claims.
>> Um look, here's the thing. I don't see anything that is uh benefit for society for any kind of um civilization. I I don't see that they may do some uh um what how can I say like a normal you know like a man or woman who married or bring a child and they you know um grow and contribute to the society in different ways but in the other side when I say man man one woman I don't see them any kind of I see them like distractive the system to the norm to the culture >> so you don't see that um the LGBTQ or samesex marriage interaction is beneficial to society. That's what you're saying.
>> Yeah, I see them useless in every aspect of life.
>> Okay. Um do you want to dive uh deeper into how are they useless?
>> Um first of all they bring this new concept where women man women man will have relationship and the growth of population will collapse. Okay, let's say let's say Okay, I'm going to stop you here. Is the concept of of a man and a man, a woman and woman and new? Is it something new?
>> Yeah, that's new. I see >> because I I beg to differ that it's not something new. And it's not like I'm not here defending anyone, but like when listen, as a man, men will put their penises in anything. Okay, that's across the board. I've seen men go to the swimming pool and put their their penises in the um how do you call those s filters that sucks the water. So so as so that we know that we know that it's it's been said men will do those things.
Okay, that's that's for men. So men will [ __ ] anything that that moves. Okay, but then you come to the question since the fact that men will [ __ ] anything. So men will [ __ ] another man just because and we know throughout history that men used the essaying of [ __ ] other men as a form of u how do you call it control where if uh another man you know uh bang you in the ass it was uh you losing your manhood so mean you've been deprived of what your manhood is. Have you heard of such concept?
>> Not I know where he came from. I I think that The way you were emphasizing >> uh is it was like used to be um >> a way of punishment.
>> No no no part of ritual.
>> What kind of ritual?
>> Religious ritual like paganism like in different countries.
>> Okay.
>> That's how I saw that they was used to have that kind of you know relationship but it was used to glorify their god.
That's uh part of ritual. But uh when it came to the the modern society and and the way they like the way they interact even they behave the the way they behave it change everything change like um I felt like I feel they they been um brainwashed I feel like they are mentally unst unstable.
>> Okay. So, so >> in the male in the in the male side, >> so when when uh we claim LGBT because I know for the majority of European history um being gay was considered a mental illness was a disease. That was that was what it was classified in terms of as medical classification that it was a disease. So do you claim it to be a disease and is it curable?
>> I I I I believe um It's a disease and I don't think it can be um um like medically u cure because it's it's more to like u u do you know they're like a psychopath.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Psychopath psychopath you cannot change them. You cannot have any kind of medicine you can you may tell them that is wrong but they will never change. So once you become a psychopath there's no way back.
I I understand >> it's kind of that I I see them kind of that >> let let me tell you my my my standing on this. I for one do not support the movement the LGBTQ QQ movement in Africa. I don't or in as of Ghana. Okay.
And the reasons to why I don't support it is this because I view the LGBTQ movement it moving or being part of African let's say social right or civil right to be a colonial um the intent in which it comes to us is very detrimental to our society. That's how I view it and I'm saying it so everyone can hear it.
Okay? Because there is a world order agenda, a new world order agenda and it goes under what we know as population control. And for the longest of time, Europeans and you can see likes like Bill Gates and stuff have tried to minimize the population of Africans or the world. They say there's too many people. So with that with that they push agendas that would prevent, you know, the birth of more people. Okay. And the ideology behind uh there's too many people is is foreign to me as an African or someone who who is part of u the earth that the there's enough space for everyone you know we can be 10 billion 20 billion is enough space so far as not everyone wants like I want a small house with 10 acres you know around me you know there's space for everybody okay so that's why I don't support because the ideology behind it is uh very detrimental to society two, we have a problem in I'll say many of countries like like Ghana where essaying uh people get essayed by same sex uh is is prominent where it happens more frequently especially what we call the pebbopile you know where not children but teenagers get sexually assaulted a lot okay which in terms create uh people who long for samesex interactions and so on. So when we push these agenda right problems that are supposed to be isolated problems become uh under the umbrella of LGBTQ. Okay.
For example, we know people who are born with let's say who look like women who are born with penises or vaginas or the wrong the wrong sexual organ as they say. And these people in my view should have a different classification.
they should be classified under the LGBTQ because they are born that way.
They didn't choose to be born that way.
So these are the uh stupidity that and the confusion that this LGBTQ movement brings. Okay. Prior to the uh Obama administration introduction of LGBTQ many African countries, you could see men holding hands. You know, people could interact with other men without it being viewed as gay and lesbian. Men could hold hands and that's friendship.
Okay? For example, you and I holding hands walking the street. nothing about him. But now when you see two men holding your hands, you start questioning their their um ability like what are you guys doing? Why are you holding your hands? You know, are you gay or are you straight or what are you?
You know, and that is the problem behind why or the reason why I wouldn't support the LGBTQ movement in Africa because it it's detrimental to the society and societal norms. Okay.
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I think you say uh good in that one because uh in many African country I especially in the whole of Africa we uh very very man like we hold hands and we go together like very close but if I say it like in the European standard I would say that this guy gay like directly I would judge them because of the concept that they have there. Uh uh the problem is that this uh they solve is they they uh they change uh the behavior, the norm and the culture of many Africa. In Africa I mostly been backed by white uh like uh uh like um propagandis about them and to implement in many different African but they have been rejected many times. they just try and try. Uh so when I see it um in generally >> in in in in when you see this those individuals um they they not they have no ability um like to uh see wrong and right like they don't see they they are completely like blinded >> who who who can see the difference between wrong and right >> like I mean know those those LGBTQ everything they they they see it is they it's like up to you um there is no just there is no between right and wrong and they they they don't um depreciate um justice and injustice like in in moral in in way I I don't I'm trying to understand what you're saying. You're saying people who are gay do not understand the difference between right and wrong.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, I >> Okay. Well, I for one will say, you know, the notion of right and wrong is one thing that is understood by everyone. Okay. For example, thieves who steal, they understand that stealing is wrong, but they still choose to do it.
Okay. So, I think people have the understanding of right and wrong, but the people choose to do these things. So when it's when we talk about the LGBT this is the reason why we have what we call closet uh people people are in the closet because there's a notion that uh it is wrong uh being gay uh in many societies that's why they choose to be in the closet that no one should know about my um activities you know because it is wrong you know and if it could be because of religious reasons or social norms okay and social norms are shaped by various things.
Okay. So I think I think they understand the uh difference between right and wrong but that is the reason why they behave the way they be. That's why some people hide it and in societies where it is accepted or more accepted openly accepted. You see they do it more openly. But you have to understand and this is the problem with with Europeans and this LGBTQ movement. you know, LGBTQ movement became something more accepted recently in Europe, you know, as of recent um years where it became something that everyone, you know, the government, you know, push money behind or corporate businesses and it's like doing basically it became a thing during COVID where people actually pushed and put money behind during COVID. It feel like it it developed under the rugs during during the COVID times. But then I for one think the acceptance of LGBTQ is a luxurious problem or it's a luxurious things. So that means it is more likely for countries who have zero problems to accept LGBTQ movement as part of society than countries don't who don't. For example, Ghana where most people are pure are pure I mean poor where people have to struggle to to to find food shelter and you know their basic needs the likelihood of them you know accepting these European uh phenomenons are in many zero to none because it doesn't benefit them you know but if people had their [ __ ] together the government had their [ __ ] together. I think it would have been more accepted, you know, and and the funny part of it in many African societies, if you ask any African, they will tell you, I know someone who is gay or who, you know, does things that they shouldn't be doing. If if one will put it that way, you know, everyone knows someone, but it's like it wasn't you didn't went out killing them, you know, as it is being pushed as of recent days that oh, you killed them because that's what they did. was against God because uh the notion of God is also foreign to many Africans. If you make the uh argument that is not the will of God but what of of the people who do not believe in their god why do I have to follow a a will or the will of a god in which I don't believe in you see what I'm saying here mistake >> yeah so so so do you think people who let's say are atheist or choose not to believe in Jesus Christ or or or Allah Are they exempt from LGBTQ punishments or I think they should be punished alongside everyone or judged?
>> Look, I'm not um go deep into that. Especially in the Islamic belief, they are almost uh predestined to uh uh die.
>> There is no negotiation. there is a like immediate action.
>> But when the Christian war I it has maybe been in for many years but right now there is nobody they are not a part of it. They they they are already excluded.
Once they are excluded they cannot be punished. They cannot be taken into action. They cannot do anything.
So they so they are out of the that's how far uh from my own uh experience from my country when a person is behaving in some sodomism like that the the the Turk administration take action and he's already banned not to enter anymore >> any church that is administered by that state.
>> Okay. So once you are caught being gay, you are uh prohibited from participating in the church.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You are you are you you are like a non-existence >> but you are not being taken action or harm.
>> Okay. Okay. I understand. No. But but that that's the same way in many African countries. You know, you have to understand that and I always tell people that anti-colonial law, I know anti-colonial law made or colonial law, colonial rule made homosexuality illegal in many if not all colonized uh countries. That's what happened. Europeans wrote the law that many African nations follow today.
So when people say Africans are against I mean Europeans made those laws against same-sex marriage and samesex everything you wrote the law the rule book so it's like now you want to change that but it's more of like how do you go about changing the law that have existed in so long mind you all forms of law within the uh postc colonial playbook is still present you know in court systems in Ghana you'll find that the we the same ruling that was uh was implemented two 300 years ago by the colonial masters and with that said came the anti-LGBTQ law not but anti-sodomy law you know those laws have existed for so long so then if one is advocating for human rights you know because and that's the the uh the new word that is being flung around that the right to be gay is a human right okay by western by by by by western countries. Then I ask myself this, if it is a human right, why is it that when people are being killed in the Philistines, in Congo, you know, in the Bokina Bay, you know, in other places, why is it that people are not as vocal about it then? Because we are talking about human rights and humans are humans regardless of where they come from, who they are, what they do, you know. So, so that is why it is hard for me to uh to governance myself around the umbrella of the LGBTQ law because of the people who push the agenda that they are biased in the way that they push the agenda that if you claim it to be human right then you do things that you know are worthy of such human right. Okay. So, so do you view Okay. Okay. I saw I saw your your um Scott, I saw your Yeah. your request. I don't know why it was cancelled. Uh let me see.
>> The >> Do you think the the right to be uh gay is a human right?
>> No, there's no human right. It should be >> Hello, Scott.
I'm going to mute you for a second, Scott, just so that he can >> uh I think it's not the opposite of him, right? It's like um there's nothing to to say about the am right about this to begin with. Look the the the anti-odomy law you said >> is mostly related to the Christian perspect explicitly says uh and like every the the wickedness of all sin says the wickedness of all sin murderous uh sodomy sodomy is like put into like mobs you know like it's like one of the highest wicked of all sin is like sodomy and mortars and so on like it's part of the category. So basically this this aunt wasn't like made by any white like it was like the the Christian perspective it has been made for 100 years and that one existed but now it's not uh it's not applicable it's not like the like to extreme like the messenger the the concept of him right they are not like seek like shelter they are not like in in taro they are not like in in you know you know in psych in physically haram condition even the psychology of hemorrhoite when you put them into the category of him right there there's no foundation to begin with you know the concept is >> so so you say they have no foundation to be classified as a human right to be gay >> yeah yeah yeah it's a flap to begin with there's no foundation >> okay what are hello Scott what are your thoughts on it? That is the LGBTQ a human right? Uh uh I don't know if you should unmute yourself if you're okay. I have to invite you to unmute. I don't know. And Scott, can you hear me, Scott?
>> Yeah.
>> And people hearing from I'm fine. I'm fine. You >> and people in the chat and uh on YouTube, do you guys believe that the right to be gay is a human right?
Oh yeah, of course.
>> It's not just a human right. It's a natural It's a natural >> um condition within not just humans. It's it's I believe there's like 500 species on the planet that partake in in samesex coupling. So, um it's a natural thing. It's not unnatural thing that uh exists only within humans. It's it's uh my people have existed here and and with this ideology for 13,000 years.
They have persecuted us for even thinking that uh these things are are uh allowable. You know, the colonizers have persecuted us and uh kind of erased our uh culture because we accepted it.
Lots of First Nations uh people do, >> but but >> so it's a it's a it's a it's a naturally occurring thing.
has been since you know uh it's been a a a recorded thing since the days of Alexander the Great. Um the only reason why people have looked so far down on it for so long is that it's uncomfortable for them.
In terms of uh as far as you are concerned, do you have any recollection or do you know of um some aspects of um the LGBTQ being practiced in within your people or your nations?
>> Within our people? Well, we we live um in a way that identifies the human uh portion of our our our uh existence and the spiritual existence, the body and and the spirit. Um spiritually, the body's going to be uh attracted to whatever it's attracted to.
and the spirit is going to identify with with or or contribute to that as well.
Um so if you have uh like really what we believe in five genders um >> five genders.
>> Yeah.
>> What are those five genders?
>> Well, again it's it's the body and spirit, right? So, if you're a straight person, you have the body of a a male and the spirit of a a straight male, okay? Then you're you're going to be attracted to women. If you are a straight woman, you have the body of a of a woman and the spirit of a straight woman. So, She's going to be attracted to fe uh uh males.
Sorry, I'm I'm pacing this around in the backyard.
>> Yeah, because what you're explaining is very similar to what I know in many African tribes that has been practiced actually.
>> That's the natural way.
So, if you're if you're a gay person and you are a male and you your spirit is attracted to other males, well, that's that's number three. Okay, that's that's gender number three. If you're a woman who is gay, who clearly is has a body of a gay person or a gay, sorry, a gay woman and uh is attracted to other women, your spirit attracts you to other women, then so be it. That's what you are. And then of course there's the there's the transgender. And I'm you I'm not really it's it gets a little complicated with that one. But that's [laughter] the fifth one.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You you know you know um one thing that I think uh is more problematic I think what one thing that is more problematic about the uh anti-LGBTQness in in many postcolonial uh countries or nations is this is the fact that LGBTQ um how do you call it? puts things in bracket, put things in labels in nations where you didn't have labels for such things. So >> to identify Yeah.
>> Yeah. You you had to identify with something. And that's what creates I think creates the problem because as far as I can remember growing up, I knew people who were doing these things, but we didn't necessarily uh classify as gay or lesbian. It's more of like I knew of a person who um had sex or did things with other women. That's what it was.
>> Yeah.
But then comes the classification that you are gay, you are straight, you are this. I think that is the reason why the um activism in many nations are here to ban those things. And I I understand why people do it and I I and I support people who the nations like Ghana that actually are putting out laws to actually ban um these LGBT documents because it is colonial in ways that it is practiced uh in the western world and is detrimental to our society. So here I will say it you know and I and I I don't care if I should lose friends or family and so on but it is that is the truth and that is the whole truth. Let's greet um Red to the panel. Hello Red.
>> Yo, what's good?
>> Yeah, we're fine. And you >> what is your best argument for against LGBTQ plus?
I think we need to start treating them like mentally ill people and stop cuddling them and letting them get their way.
Okay. So, so, so, so I understand I understand that's the aspect of, of treatment, but what is your best argument against the LGBTQ movement against it? Your argument because I want I want to see something.
>> This is my argument. against the community.
>> Yeah. But you you speaking on treatment.
Why? Okay. Why is uh the LGBTQ uh bad for your society or your country?
>> I mean, because they're pushing pseudo science and trying to take away a woman's identity, well, gender gender identity from just people in general.
Especially the a lot of rainbow men that are very adamant on that and they have allies from just straight people that just let them get just let them say what they want to say and women that's that's nurturing and being allies to their cause.
So yeah that's that's my argument against that.
>> So so what you're saying is that >> the women's identity.
>> Okay. Because Sorry. Um you you explaining the same thing I was going to say. So go ahead.
>> Yeah. So by saying stuff like um women are sis females instead of just calling them women. That lets me know that you trying to change the identity of what a woman is.
And that can be very harmful because we know we know the truth. We know that we're not built You're going to fall in line whether you like it or not naturally. If you're a woman or man, >> you're going to do that [ __ ] naturally.
>> It's biology. You can't change that.
>> You know, with that said, I do agree with you on that one. fact that the LGBTQ movement is going against what is call it more normal than because you claim it is normal but what is natural then if it's normal then we have naturally like what nature tended to be that the fact that people are robbing uh women and we are living that this um illusion of that men can bear children and that is one thing that I think is fairly dangerous that we uh uh indoctrinating our children that are male that as a man you can get pregnant and I'm like that's not possible you know and that is why more and more parents are going against this LGBTQ movement just because of the way it frames things that it is very it's you know a a rock is a rock but they'll tell you no a rock can also be a sand and and so on and and and what it is but we have to stop lying to to our children and and for me >> go ahead >> for me that's where I draw the line the fact that we are lying to children we are we are breeding our children for failure >> no don't try to draw the line then I'm trying to draw the line now when it come to children I think people should have been spoke up y'all should have been spoke up when they was trying to when they was doing all these things they was trying to we had grown men trans women trying to get into women's sports and they actually got in there and dominate. That's when y'all should have spoke up.
The nods and now that they're trying to teach, they want this in schools now.
They're advocating for this to be in schools.
>> I as a person who studies sports science and we're going to have the debate of of science and gender. I mean sports and gender. a person who studied sports science where I you know I moved from Africa right Ghana to to Europe and all of a sudden when I played football with people and I'm saying soccer as Americans have it I was automatically better than people you know physically because I was stronger I was faster I wasn't the most skilled but my advantage was strength and speed all of a sudden I was dominating that field okay so then We we speak of men who identify as women then go into sports and then claim they are women competing with biological women. I don't see use the word biological and dominating. So the question I'm asking that should it be allowed so we can uh move down the the panel.
>> No no it shouldn't be allowed.
We got prime. We got examples of men going into women's sports and dominator.
We have an example of a man going into a woman's prison and getting women pregnant. Now, if we was to let them have their way and and let men that think they're a woman or want to be a woman go into these women spaces as men, we are the stronger vessels. So, we're going to dominate in all those areas that women are in. So, then where that leaves the women?
>> That's a great >> That's a great question.
I think that's one is good example because that has been very hot discussion in other state where a male claim to be woman and sent to the woman's prison and then end up pregnant a lot of women.
>> I I would do the same [ __ ] [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yep.
>> Punishment.
>> Yeah, of course. Because because a women's prison is is soft. Of course, if I'm going to prison for 10 years, I would rather go to women prison. You know, >> I will father all the childrens in that prison. And I understand why men do it because [laughter] it's funny, but it's a loophole. And and I think men it is it is within our nature to destroy. So if we put because and I always tell people I have a lot of friends who are pro-LGBT but I tell them that a man's nature is to destroy. So [laughter] you bringing a man into space you're thinking that's progressive. Nah that's you begging for trouble. You know >> that's you begging to get weeded out.
>> Yeah that's you begging for trouble.
Trust we men we will come we will destroy and then we will move on to the next thing you know and that is our nature.
It actually happened and then they the police and they rewrite their history and they bring him out and they put to the male prison. But it happened in many state by the way United States and maybe in Europe also.
But the concept of this LGBTQ and the feminism I I don't see them different. I see them exact the same because they all claim a separate entity but they claim they they their their ideology is the same dominate uh the like become like more superior than man and have all of the abilities that man have and replace them and then uh try to be the dominator of the whole world but in biologically speaking they cannot do that they cannot in reality they can't if a man's working like 12 12 hour per day in very highly difficult work like metals or any industries women can do that even if they try they will maybe end up sick in three four days so they I I I don't see this um uh LG or feminism differences they all the same I just try to uh undermine the mindhood >> yeah but I feel Is this happening anywhere else besides America?
>> Oh yeah, that's why we having this debate.
>> That's why we are having this discussion, you know, because it's become a uh the philosophy behind the LGBTQ movement uh as I put it is very detrimental to society. That's the philosophy part of it. And especially where they are grooming children to be in this illusion that you know the world is a jungle you know and it's about the survival of the fittest and if we don't treat as such we don't treat and teach our children especially people who have been colonized that this world is about survival our children is going to be weeded out and that's what they are doing weeding out the children you know one child at the Yeah. Uh I I don't understand why like people are even entertaining this stuff.
I don't understand it. I think women are probably using them to dismantle the patriarchy because they want the power.
I don't know.
>> The end goal is the end goal just complete chaos.
>> You know, >> everybody can do every everybody can be whatever they want to be.
and just do whatever they [ __ ] they want to do. Like I think >> isn't that the goal?
>> Uh no, it should have some type of order, some type of structure.
>> Sure.
>> And it shouldn't be the foundation shouldn't be based off lies.
>> But should we discriminate because of the comfort of others?
>> Should we discriminate for the what you mean?
Well, if you look in Russia, there is a large uh discomfort with the idea and ideologies of the LGBTQ communities. So much so that they've outlawed their existence.
>> Is that >> it's not it's not discomfort on our part.
It's discomfort on it's discomfort on on the the the government's portion.
>> No, it's not discomfort on that part from from America from that that community.
They have thrown the first stone by forcing their belief systems on other people and then lying then lying about the uh the things that they believe in.
And then on top like for you can't for why do you want to force yourself into women's spaces and force your ideology on our children.
That's why we say we [ __ ] draw the line. You can't do that [ __ ] now. You taking it too far. Now you being destructive.
>> We they People was being nice >> because they feel sorry for you. They feel sorry like if somebody has autism and somebody is It's not it's not because they feel sorry. It's because they hate you. They hate the person that the gay person, the the lesbian, they they they hate because they don't understand. And and the conversations like this when when when they're had uh they can usually stave off the hate with logic if people are subjective to that.
But I see them existing throughout history and it has only become more prevalent as the human population has grown.
>> Well, what do you think the end goal is now?
We at a point in present time where we're nurturing these type people. Like I think for a long time those type people was rejected and hated and still are hated to this day. But more and more people are saying it's acceptable. So and now we're saying [snorts] it's acceptable. Now they trying to take over.
>> Well, I don't think that's possible. My area of study has always been animal behavior uh uh wildlife behavior and my my employment and my studies have always been geared towards those things. So I have studied the fact that these things happen in nature within other species not just humans.
So is that a natur is that a natural state?
>> No. It's unnatural.
It's unnatural. It's unnaturally natural.
>> Are you a religious person?
>> No, I'm not. It's not. I say it's not natural because that's not how men and women are designed to be.
We We have the conscious to make our own choices.
>> Are dolphins designed that way?
>> No.
>> Are monkeys?
>> No. because both of those species partake in same sex coupling.
>> It's still not supposed to happen. If every if if everybody was like that, then why would it be a such thing as a woman to give birth? And why would the man have the instincts to want to breathe with that woman? That should let you know the foundation of that >> is supposed to happen between a man and a woman.
supposed to supposed to should would these it's but it's it's it's it doesn't always happen is what I'm saying and there are other >> there are people there are people who prefer the same sex because that's what their brain chemistry is telling them to do.
That is what the dolphin's brain that's what the dolphin brain's chemistry is telling it to do. That's what the monkeykey's brain chemistry is telling.
It's a it's it's it's a lot of different types of brain chemistries that tells you something that you're not supposed to be doing.
>> Some some brain is going to also tell you.
>> Guys, hold on. Speak speak one at a time, please. One at a time.
>> Is your brain chemistry telling you to unalive yourself?
>> Is that that the correct thing to think?
No. That's not how your brain supposed to work.
M >> you know um made to go inside a vagina.
>> I I want to say something. Uh Scott, I want to ask you this. You know, we've come to a a portion of society where people are here claiming they identify as something which they are not either physically uh what they claim or mentally what they claim. So, someone saying I identify as a cat. What are your uh opinions or your views on identifying >> as whatever?
>> Identifying as a cat. That's a mental [snorts] that's a mental uh illness.
>> Throughout throughout history, has any man ever been a cat? Any woman ever been a cat? Could they identify as a cat? Throughout history, has any woman ever been a man?
>> Throughout history, has any lesbian ever been uh uh with a woman?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Lots. Right. Um >> that you'd answer my question though.
>> Okay. Ask it again.
>> Has any woman ever been a man?
>> Has any woman ever been a man?
or vice versa. No, no, >> I'm not saying y'all can they can do whatever they want. Just don't push your ideology on the kids and don't invade women's faces and be cool. I don't care about none of that.
>> So, what do you say?
>> I would I would take it a step further, >> but I'm a nice guy. What what [snorts] would you say to a 13-year-old child in I'm going to imagine assume that you're in the States somewhere.
>> Okay. So, if your child came up to you and said that, yeah, he feels like he's more of a a girl on the inside and he wants to throw maybe he's like 10, 12, whatever, and he he's uh starting to look at boys and realize that maybe he's more attracted to boys than he is to uh girls. Uh, as time goes by and he's now 18 years old, he's still attracted to boys.
He's not really attracted to girls. And he's thinking, I I I there's something not right with my body. My spirit does not match with my equipment.
And uh he's confused. He's scared. He's all these things. Should he be villainized for the for for feeling this way or for for uh you know >> having having those attractions or having those those feelings? Can that be programmed out of them because that's been tried?
>> Well, well [ __ ] I got to be a brain chemist. I got to know how the brain works to untrain it. I don't even think you can untrain. No, [snorts] could I could I probably would have been done already.
>> Train you from from chasing around big booty Latinas? No.
>> Could I could I train that out of you?
>> No, you couldn't.
>> No. Hell no. Right. So take >> all I'm saying is that the LGBTQ community or how my people call it the twospirited people um are they allowed to exist is is basically what the uh what the question is.
>> Are they allowed are they allowed to exist? That's a hard question.
Can they can they exist in peace with others? Like are they violent people? Are they are are they just looking for the right to love whoever they want to love?
>> It depends. Are those people a disease?
>> Okay. I I want to I want to say something.
>> Hold on. Hold on.
>> Hold on. Uh whoever Whoever joined Wait, wait. Whoever >> Is that a good or a bad thing, though?
>> I just asked a question and you muted me.
>> No, no. Ignore him.
>> Hold on. Hold on for a second.
>> [ __ ] you. Listen, [ __ ] you, [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> Okay. [ __ ] that man, man. [ __ ] that man.
You said, "Are they allowed to exist?"
And I'mma I'mma ask you a question.
>> ignorant Americans. God damn.
>> If they are, well, I'm just going to say this. If they are a disease, and by disease, I mean like trying to force their way onto straight people and children and take over women's spaces.
If they are not, I think, yes, >> you know, >> would it be better if they just had their own their own leagues that they can compete in their own uh you know, like a special >> Why do they need their own leagues?
>> Why not? It's obviously they're not wanted in the in the straight person's leagues. So, >> no, we don't care. We got to a point. We got to a point where straight people do not care. We don't care.
>> It doesn't affect them, right? They're straight.
>> Yeah. It doesn't affect us. So, we don't care. We just tell y'all to No, you can't go. We don't want you to compete in women's sports. And vice versa, women, we don't want you competing in men's sports. That's what we tell y'all.
We don't want you in the bathrooms. We don't want y'all switching bathrooms.
>> Um, >> so why why do y'all want why do you want your own space? Is it because feel better >> probably for safety.
>> Mystic Mystic Mystic want to say something.
>> Yeah. Look, I I question whether they this or not. Is um I think there's a lot of noise background. I don't know who is speaking.
>> Okay. I think it's Scott. If you can mute yourself for a second.
>> Sorry. I'm standing I'm standing in my backyard with the dogs and the birds. I apologize.
>> No worries. Nothing.
>> Okay.
Look, I I I believe if as long as they are interfering with our daily life, sports, families, converting uh children into it and advocating this across all society, then they may not exist. Uh but if they have their own like nation, every gays and LGBT community their own that nation, they may exist. I don't care about them anymore. They can that that they can have a lot of fun there.
They can do whatever they want.
>> But as long as they are on my own society and interfere in all this problematic all changing their norms, the culture of the societies, then the end is very horrible.
>> You know, um to answer the question is this. I think the uh ideology, the philosophy behind the clarification uh of what LGBTQ and how it fits in fits in society is actually more confusing than clarifying you know because it is being pushed as something to replace something new and something modern you know and for me I stand confused about the fact that is Is it a false notion that every single person who existed or do exist in this uh world were created by a man and a woman? Is that true or false? you know and those are the questions that we have to answer before we move forward because I for one I'm at the uh perception that u the LGBTQ philosophy is more about listen uh you being whatever you are you can still have children where people are so delusional and I'm like how is that going to help our children and that's where I I actually draw the line from where people do not speak truth anymore and for me people who lie I hate them you know I hate people who who lie and and and it's the same way I will I will um classify as a nation of Israel you know where present lie as truth you know or people who believe their own lie more spec specifically those people are very dangerous uh to society and very detrimental to society because they believe their own lie where people can sit down and claim that I have you have two legs by then claim that no I have three legs you know but there is no way you can prove that you have three legs that ideology is very dangerous and if that is what the LGBTQ u plus movement or the civil rights movement is about then I'm against because it is it's not embedded in truth is better than falsehood you know and and and that's where I'm going to rest my case as of the subject of uh of what Scott asked so that we can move on unless anyone want to say something about uh >> Yeah. No, I I'm I'm in agreement. Um I don't really unless Okay, I'm going to I'm going to I was with my ex- fiance about 20 years ago.
>> She took me to a gay bar.
>> Hold on, let me verify the live.
>> Oh, Red took off. That's unfortunate.
>> Yeah, I think he'll might be back.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I took she took me to this gay >> bar >> and I'm thinking, "Oh, she's we're going to go and, you know, things are going to get weird, but uh she's going to go pick up some girl and bring her home and we're going to have a good time." Not the case. I got my ass grabbed more the more times than that night than I I ever really wanted to. And it's uh it was actually rather enlightening because it it it showed me a world of what it's like to be a woman.
you know, I'm all of a sudden being uh accosted by men >> who are grabby, who are uh forward, who are um intent on the their goal with something they're attracted to. I'm a handsome dude, but uh I don't swing that way. So it's uh a lot of oh being on guard and and feeling fearful and uh all those things.
So it's uh you know it's it's enlightening for me to to think of it of it that way.
I'm I'm an insightful person and I like to think about things like that. Um but it's it's it's you know it's super enlightening. I don't think it's a problem because they're they're being the person they want to be. Um Oops, guys. Quiet.
>> I think it's a problem.
>> You do? Yeah.
>> I think it's a problem because, you know, when you go to a gay bar, you know, or you are in spaces, let's say in a club where there are men and women, the notion that everyone is gay is is is funny to me because usually you should ask even if you are a grabbing a woman like it used to be in in I remember when you go to the club in the olden days, you know, back in the days when you saw a woman you liked, you know, you you spoke to someone, oh, I want you to send a drink to that person. You introduce yourself first. But these people, and I say these people with intent, they go straight to the end game, grab some ass to make their intention known, you know, there's no good morning, good afternoon, nothing, you know. So, I'm like, what happened to you? normal uh human decency where you went through let's say introduction hey this is me oh are you are you like that or not you know EVEN EVEN WHEN I approach women you you you check whether woman is married has a boyfriend before you so approach so why is that gay men feel like because I've experienced the same thing my friend was kids feel like you should escape or skip rather those uh steps and go straight to grabbing some ass you know and for me I think it's problematic and that is the reason why sometimes I find that there is some kind of agenda to create new gay people you know [laughter] the reason why I say it in that way is like people put out the the the rhetoric like oh you don't know until you've tried whether are you gay or not you know and I think >> have any of you have any of you ever ever tried to pick up on a girl who was a lesbian.
>> Um, I think I had, but I didn't know she was a lesbian, >> right? There was no interest there, right? She didn't want anything to do with you. And you're a handsome dude, so I would imagine that there would be at least somewhat of an interest if if she was swinging that way.
>> It could be. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So it's when you're saying that they're trying to create more.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't agree with that so much because it's I think it's I think it's much more uh complicated than that. They [snorts] this is a natural state of which they're they're born and their brains are telling them once once they reach puberty, >> okay, >> that they're attracted to a certain type of person.
>> I'm going to I'm going to disclose something. Uh >> [laughter] >> You know, when I was 18, I created a uh you know, the the hub, you know, the hub account. You know, the the the the is it is it yellow or is it orange? Orange and then black.
>> Pornhub.
>> Yeah. Corn Herb. Yeah, that's when I created an account. Yes, I was 18. I actually waited till I was 18. Actually, I remember that because the day I turned 18, I create an account. So, because then I could comment and everything. I did just because I could comment. Look how nice as a kid I was. So, so I did that and then I started meeting people who, you know, had interests in uh let's say same sex or gay men. Then there was this um perspective where some people although I'm tell I'm straight but it's like oh I like to uh how to mess around with straight men. And then I asked myself the question, why do you like to mess around with straight men, specifically straight men, people you know that uh or can be dangerous to you?
You know, why is it that you specifically want to be messing around with those men? And it's more of like, you know, the danger aspect, you know, the adrenaline rush uh around that, you know, to be h some will say, I want to be taken by a real man. And I I'm like, what happened to being with your own?
You know, it's like, is it something wrong about being with other gay people or why is it specifically you want to take home someone and, you know, introduce them to something new? If if if it makes sense, why is like I I hold up I hope there was a gay person here that could answer those question. Like why do you feel the notion to introduce them to a whole new world, you know, of of gayness and so on? Like that's what I want to you know understand why people want to introduce others into their uh world view and so on if it's not about creating new or more gay people because that's how I see it you know and and the same goes with with uh same sex uh uh the opposite hetero heterosexual uh men where men who knows like they don't find a certain group of people attract what shouldn't be with them. But yet again, they seek those people and create problems that should have been created in the first place.
You know, let's say people who are of certain religion instead of going to uh people who are in with in your same religion as you, you find them trying to convert more people. Let's say you're a Muslim. Instead of dating other Muslim, you want to find a Christian or a non-believer and then make them a believer to find like and I I hope or I think that it gives you a notion of you have accomplished something you know and which I think it's it's it's wrong you know you should you should go where you love you know where it's easy not to to take it as a challenge but have any of you experienced that?
Have you ever experienced a gay person trying to >> convert?
>> That's not true. That's not true because yeah, I used to hang out with a bunch of lesbians and they would always try to ch turn the straight girls >> to do what to do.
>> Always a thing. That was always a thing.
Yeah. how they uh I used to have this friend, she was lesbian, but like we were good friends and we would always go to the bar and try to hit on the same girl to see which way they would go. [laughter] She would win sometimes, I would win sometimes, but um it was uh yeah, I guess that was kind of a thing. I never really thought about it like that.
Um, I can't imagine the success rate being something that that would make that effort to be like a consistent thing because it's it's I would imagine it's a losing battle trying to turn straight people gay. It's not uh it's [snorts] not really I can't I can't see a large success rate with that. You know it it is people are successful in in in in many ways than none. That is why in in in the United States and other places you feel you find trans people to be assaulted all the time. And I have people who identify as such and I always tell them this that you know in life you shouldn't put yourself in places on situations where it's most likely to be harmful to you.
The same way you don't see me uh roaming with with uh uh people who are anti-African, you know who I know they hate black people, you know, but but then I find people especially with a trans uh gender like okay, you know you are transgender but then you don't disclose it when you meet people. Then when people find out and they offended all of a sudden you're like oh you are homophobic or whatever phobia you claim them to have. But if you did disclose it uh uh in in in in the beginning, you wouldn't have the problem to begin with. So then I tell people that listen, why do you make your life hard, you know, to to go to places where you know they don't like you, but you want them to accept you as what you are, you know, and and >> a a lot of these uh fear-based uh interclusions.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> They they all stem from the same place, right? It's all fear. Everyone's Russia is is uh outlawing uh gay people be because of fear. They're they're be it cultural, religious, what have you.
It's fear that has driven them this this far to legislate >> the existence of gay people. Will you say it's only fear or there's a a hint of common sense uh involved to what?
>> I would I would say it's definitely fear. The same way like when you were saying you wouldn't hang out in circles of people who are antilack.
>> Like you wouldn't go hang out with the KKK or anything like that, right?
>> Because it's you're putting you're putting yourself into into a dangerous position. However, if you were to have a one-on-one with a Ku Klux Clan member, would you be trying to convince him that you're not someone that needs to be feared the way he fears you? Would you educate him in a way that would uh maybe change his his hateful mindset towards you?
>> Not necessarily. I I won't because I always say this when people hate you uh out of fear of whatever the fact that I have to convince them they always remain unconvinced.
And the reason why I say that they remain unconvinced is because I had to do the convincing.
If they are able if they are not able to see that a person who let's say lives in Africa is not of danger to them uh then they are faulty as people as a person you know so I'm not going to convince you that I am not um dangerous to you because I don't need anything from you but if I should benefit from that convincing yes I will do it but if I have no benefit then I won't do you know, but but um with that said, when it comes to the people convincing uh people to begin Russia being uh anti-LGBTQ, I think it brings a notion. You have to understand Russia and the West are at war and they what we call ideology war.
Russia hates the ideology of the west and the west hate the ideology of the Russians or or the uh USSR. Okay. The Soviet Union. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> So for many people who are not in the west for us the LGBTQ movement is a western ideology and we ban it because it is detrimental to our society. We ban it because when we see westerners identify as cats uh saying they don't use the proper grammar that we know I identify as a them or zazer or whatever they are saying people see that this is stupid now this is getting out of hand let us stop this nonsense before it comes to us you let's stop this disease because some so people ban it because of what they see because in in in uh there is a um uh how do you call it a proverb that seeing is believing so people are seeing the stupidity I want to prevent the stupidity from coming to my shores.
And I think that's what it's more about that I want to prevent this stupidity from coming to my country, you know, and and I would do the same because for me I view the LGBTQ movement as an African as part of the West European um population control that they are pushing this agenda as they are pushing this way uh to this degree where we have corporate businesses backing it, you know, to be a way to make money and other things.
>> I I see that not as a governmental thing but more of as a a a nature thing.
Nature is doing these things.
>> Nature is uh nature is uh taking its place here by providing people with the uh the preference of gay because of our populations being so big. because of our uh consumption rates, because of our um it's a it's a it is a natural way for a population to slow its its growth. So, so um when it came to the fact that uh many societies as I say yours and mine, we they practice some sort of samesex interactions. There is never in the history of our people where we went out encouraging other people to practice samesex interactions. Right.
>> Yeah. No, it's it's never been that way.
>> But but we we've come to a a point in history where it's been pushed and shoved in the face of people where [snorts] Obama will go to Africa to Uganda and say, "You people must support or accept gays and lesbians." And people are like, "Oh, who are you to tell me what to do?"
And I think in especially as as far as I'm concerned when it comes to Ghana is that people are they n the country is banning or making uh gayness a criminal law or criminal because of how Europeans are pushing the agenda. Prior to that being gay was not a c was not there was no law that criminalized being gay. So pushing Yes. pushing anti- colonial LGBTQ uh systems or law made it actually push people to to create laws against it. So that was the gain. So kudos to Obama for making it illegal.
>> Yeah. The uh but your your country always had them, right? Even before Obama, >> we didn't have criminal law against LGBTQ.
>> No. No, no, no, no. The the people themselves, the >> people theel Yes. Yes, we've had people.
Yes. Uh >> still has them.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. Yep. Okay. So, what my point is is that it's it's almost like it's a push back against nature.
No, >> they they are these people exist and because they exist the fear of uh whatever it is that people fear about them grows and solutions by people in power push the agenda forward or backwards.
Listen, one thing I understand and I've as I've understood uh what democracy is or governing is is to perform the will of the people. And if the will of the people is anti-LGBTQ, that means the people of Russia wants the state to ban or the country to be anti-LGBTQ because we don't want that in our societies and that's what democracy is all about to uh perform the will of the people. Okay.
to the teeth, you know. But but then >> is is but is that is that is that consistent with what Russia is >> to the democracy portion of it >> or is this just one person's fear being being uh uh celebrated as law and then being passed through through uh an autocracy.
I think Russia is >> I think you know the fact that there are people who are LGBTQ or gay in in in these various countries but nothing happened to them speaks volume about that country you know but as of recent history being gay became a thing h in Europe as of recently where you could walk around being gay in Europe you know and when Europeans because that's what people view it as Europeans pushing their agenda again because in many especially in China, Chinese people will tell you we knew of people who were gay, but it was something we didn't speak of. You know, you went and did your thing and came back home. That was what it was.
That's what everyone did. Everyone knew about it, but no one spoke of it. It wasn't illegal. It wasn't forbidden [snorts] or was it uh how would I say promoted, you know, it was just what you did. But when Europeans push the agenda of making it law where people of the same sex can marry and so on, that's when people push anti-laws against it. That's when it becomes a problem.
>> When and who in history started that >> started what? because because the days of Alexander the Great going forward into the Roman Empire, it was uh an accepted practice, right?
It wasn't until >> it wasn't until the Vatican and its creation and its growth and its uh uh dominion did LGBTQ gay become a uh a sin for a while.
>> Correct.
>> That's correct.
>> Okay. So I guess my point here is that the indoctrination of the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, Christianity, um the interpretations of that religion towards uh the gay people, uh what have you or the Old Testament of uh Sodom and Gomorrah, you know, those those gospels.
Um, all of it was geared to indoctrinate against LGBTQ communities because the goal of colonization was to what? Repopulate other countries with their own people with their own religion.
>> So this I I'm again I'm I I studied the natural world. I I don't >> Yeah. But but but you know you know when when people who studied the natural world you know things that are natural it's like it is something that is unspoken of you didn't have to do much for it to exist you know it just had its place. Yeah. It had its place in society. But it's like when we look at uh religion being taught in school and teaching about LGBTQ. [snorts] And that's where I think people deviate from the argument that this is not natural is that if it is natural and the same with religion and God and so then isn't something you are taught. It's something you felt and you are automatically that you didn't have to learn about it in school because I didn't learn about it prior to coming to Europe. So for a majority of my life I didn't know what I knew people who did it or participated in it in Ghana but I didn't learn it to be right or wrong. It wasn't something like okay that's what you did you see what I mean so that's the natural aspect of it but the aspect in which people um had to learn it push uh make it a uh civil right make it law that is what people fr upon because as an African right a uh if you were told or someone tell you oh I'm gay to an African it's like you do not want to continue our lineage you know it's like you became who you are because of those who came before you and their teachings, their knowledge and so on. And it needs to be passed on. So you choosing to deviate from it is you saying uh [ __ ] you to those who came before you. And that's how many Africans um understand this LGBTQ uh movement to be that it is promoting something that takes away from our our lineage, you know. But it in terms of people who have embodied spirits that are gay, spirits that are uh you know straight, that is okay because that's part of what we know. But the LGBTQ Q movement is one thing that is unknown to them. And when it comes to with the westerniz westernized label, that is why people move against it and ban it because when you see law in Ghana, it's called anti-LGBTQ law.
because it's becoming a problem uh in these societies.
>> Yeah. I I'm I'm uh I'm still convinced that we've been throughout history, we've been indoctrinated to uh shun the idea through control, through religion, through colonization, through um you know the means of uh uh confederation. Um there this is all that this this anti movement of LGBTQ has been indoctrinated into our history because before the Vatican existed. It wasn't uh shunned. It wasn't looked down upon.
It was accepted as part of society.
Um that's that's kind of my it's always been here. It's it's always going to be here. and to outlaw, to shun, to legislate against, to do those things is is a uh a backwards step in our in our decolonization efforts.
>> Okay, let's let's move it this way. If we are speaking of decolonization, okay, as someone who is for the decolonization of ideologies, I would say that the ban of the LGBTQ act is good because then it protects what we have, you know. Uh what do you have to say about that?
>> Protects what we have. Well, I think what we have is is colonization and confederation.
>> I think that's what we have.
Do we like it? I know our people [ __ ] hate it. It's uh it's a system of uh white supremacy.
>> You know where I come from, right? you you will find men you know dressing as women and wearing or trying to be like women but there's never been a history where someone will come to your face that you should be what I am but it's more of like I have chosen to be this because that's what I feel most comfortable of being I have videos of it which I can share >> during the homo festival and so on >> that's what that what has been that is uh I see that's not part of what I'm I'm I'm understanding as they want to be who they are >> without the without the fear of being prejudiced or discriminated against.
>> No, because being >> they want to love the people they they want to love without being prejudiced or or discriminated against.
>> Yeah, but that's what it has been.
>> That's what I see.
>> Yeah. But but the fact that we want to make it a uh social norm you know because I for my I I the way I see it you know from an African lens is this we are creating problems that shouldn't be a problem okay that or we are saying that um it is illegal or or whatever it may be where it's not true you know in in in in Ghana for example the law is the same for straight people and gay people that sodomy is forbidden or or as far as people are concerned that animal sex is forbidden. That is the law.
That's the only law that has been.
>> Yes. But is that law one based on people or by people's religion?
based on people >> that the pretty sure it's in the Bible that the Sodom and Gomorrah were s you know you know in many in my in my in my culture my tribe I can tell you that there is a practice of lesbianism but less of what gay is because uh they felt and these are the elders that anal sex or Having sex in the rectum is not normal. It wasn't meant to be for that such activity and that's what it is and that's what it has always been you know because we have words for lesbians. We don't have words for gay or lesbian uh call it progressive words if I'm going to put it in terms where these new people will understand but we don't have words for gay. So it's like it was like more so she accepted to be lesbian than gay. A lot of of our uh LGBTQ people within our own tribes were revered for their ability to see into both worlds. They were given positions of uh power like medicine women, medicine men. Mhm.
>> Um sometimes even the chief, you know, they would their because their perspectives were so broad that their uh their ideas, their knowledge, their understandings of things were revered within the tribe, not shunned.
>> That is true. And I have such experience of of that same uh acknowledgement within my tribe. But the fact that it wasn't what LGBTQ movement is because now when you tell an African LGBTQ they think of this I identify as a woman. Uh I identify as a cat. I identify as a a machine. They think of uh men going to women's sports. They think of all of those things. You know, >> I just just just to get back to the whole cat thing.
>> Mhm.
>> This was an idea in the Western world, in the Republican Western world, >> that was used as a a uh what do you call those? What's that word for? uh gaslight to gaslight the uh LGBTQ community >> and the notion took off like oh my god they want to be cats now they want to be dogs now you know like it was meant to uh disgust the the person with common sense however it was a madeup thing to exacerbate an already convoluted situation with with the topic. It's not there there might be a kid maybe two who think this >> but there's no actual he wasn't going off of any documented fact. He was making up a fact and then speaking against it and and this is something the Republicans do quite often. And now it took off like wildfire across the world.
So by the time it reached you guys, I'm sure it was like, "Oh my god, these Americans, they're they're thinking these their children think they're cats or their children think they're dogs and they're allowing this and they're, you know, it was meant it was meant to um do what it did.
>> It's not it's not real, though.
>> It's not an actual thing." Of course, you know, when when we uh even even here in Norway, it's like they've come to a point where people are getting fed up that are removing their kids from school because it's becoming ridiculous that >> that's that's the point though, right?
>> No, no, but it's like it's like what is the point? Are you saying that people will remove their children from school?
>> That is the point of the misinformation.
the the level of the level of distrust that you all of a sudden have for something that isn't even real.
>> No, no, that's not that. You know, we've come to a point where people are doing things in spaces where shouldn't exist?
For example, the uh when you went to school, what what at what age did you were you introduced to sexual education, sex ed?
>> Um man, nine 10. Okay. Now you see them being introduced in kindergarten age, you know, and people parents are saying, "Listen, the kids are just here to play or to be in kindergarten as long as Yeah. So give them that." So that when they and and when they grow up and they want to do whatever they want, that's their choice to do. But as kids, we have to protect them and let them be kids.
And I always say this that and the girls that say no. Did your mama taught you how to suck dick?
But eventually you grew up learning how to do it. So if you are what you claim to be, eventually you'll be the same thing whether it's you are 5 years old or you're 18 years old or 20 years old because that's who you are. Yeah. And I think I think that's where it start making sense that yes. If you claim it >> I don't I I don't have kids. So, like learning what they're doing nowadays is is always secondhand to me.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Um my sister has is a teacher in uh in southern Ontario and she's like she's never come across anything of the sort. It's she's teaching older kids but it's not it's it's different now.
It's not uh the way it was when I went through. So I don't know I don't know how to how to think about it.
>> Yeah. For for me I think I think the fact that we are not letting children be children is what is problematic to me that we have to protect young and let them be uh young and children and innocent and so on. You know this is a world of of ideology where we have to let them develop on their own but we shouldn't put our adult bias. You know, it's the same way with uh people who uh are missionaries who teach religion, right?
More often than one, you will see that they would not exclude their personal agenda when they are teaching their religion. So, they bring their personal experiences into it. So if if I'm going to uh teach children about what LGBTQ is, there's there's a more likelihood that I will use my personal experience in my explanation than use someone else's experience. Okay? And I think that is what is detrimental to the ideology or what is the problematic part of the ideology is that people always put their own agenda uh when they are teaching this LGBTQ um [snorts] notions or ideology, you know, because children are all inclusive.
Children are inclusive uh from birth, you know. I've seen videos, examples of children who one is black, one is white, like oh look, we look alike, you know, but as an adult, you tell them you are black, you are white. So they learn those differentiations because we the adults, we teach them those things, but childrens are all inclusive to to begin with.
>> They're blind to it.
>> They are blind to it. So, so as I said naturally if you leave kids to be kids then we can see how they evolve naturally but so far as we are here in intervening with natural order we are creating a problem. So then it becomes unnatural.
>> So I think maybe the question becomes at what age do we start teaching these things? at what age is appropriate to start start teaching these things because at some point they're going to need an education towards it at some point but at what age is acceptable because obviously kindergarten's way out of the question. Um I would think that the times when I was taught it was like grade nine through grade eight maybe grade seven probably started it. I would have been uh you know 13, 14, 15 somewhere around there.
>> When I was taught LGBTQ, it it it was taught to me as a disease, you know, back in school.
>> Okay. See, maybe that that that itself uh affected you, you know.
>> No, it it hasn't affected my worldview.
I was real shaped prior to moving to Europe already packaged before I moved to Europe. So I for me I view that's what people did [snorts] in Europe you know as a European thing but it didn't affect it didn't affected my perspective of it as an African and that's why I say this >> now with now with insight would like knowing that gay people exist in Ghana >> uh do do you think it's any it's any worse or or do you think that's a little bit better knowing that there they exist everywhere? No, no. The thing is I've always been knowing that people like that existed since age five. My problem is the fact that uh Europeans are pushing a perspective of LGBT activities that is not normal to us, >> you know, which is more detrimental to our society, >> you know, >> even though the their their attempt to do so is about inclusivity, not Yes. And and and their their uh attempt to include people or to to be more inclusive is actually excluding uh people, you know. But I've always tell people as far as I can know it, gay people have been part of our society. So you trying to push laws to accept them.
You are saying that they are not accepted.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I mean?
>> They aren't, >> you know, that's that's the act that's the overlying issue. But but that's the thing. The thing is that there were there was never a uh a straight or a direct accepted or not accepted. It varied from where you were and which family.
>> The same but that's the same with with people of color. Let me tell you one thing you know when it comes to marriage and sex and sexuality right in across many African nations right it is uh depending on what family or what group of people you associate yourself with so where you belong so you will find people who accepted it and people who didn't accept it so when you make it criminal law automatically you tell people who accepted within their tribe and so on that they are wrong.
That is why for for the for the the the longest of time it has been for it hasn't been even a law that uh accepted or prohibited it because it was left to the people to decide what felt right for them.
>> Yeah. Or done in secret.
>> Yeah. But as far as I'm concerned, I know people who you know even even listen to us right uh being uh intimate is something that you did in secret regardless whether straight or gay. Intimacy intimacy is done behind closed doors. Okay.
>> In Roman times they would hold annual orgies.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Where things are public.
>> What whatever you chose. Yes. This is this this is this is kind of my point because the idea of sexuality has been manipulated and indoctrinated by whoever the colonizers are.
>> Who is this?
>> This is my point.
The vat the Vatican did what they could to eraser the idea of this culture.
>> Yeah. And and they are >> did the very same >> successful. But it's like when it comes to Muslim countries, which is one thing that I'm actually conflicted about is this.
>> You find yourself a nation where men have, you know, sexual intercourse with boys.
>> Yeah.
>> But then being homosexual is forbidden.
But then you have um practices where young boys are dressed like females and dance like females and then you take them home and and and smack them in the behind. But that is not homosexuality or or gay. But being gay for them being gay is the person who receives not the person who gives.
It's it's all convoluted and and and and the ideas of it have been destroyed and intentionally so.
So now everyone's trying to recover something. It's just it's the it's the same as losing my culture >> by the colonizers. It was taken away from everybody.
>> It was our language, our our understandings of God or the great the greater existence.
um all of it was was done through eraser by these institutions.
So now we're all scrambling around trying to understand something that has been largely uh manipulated by you know the greater scheme of things.
So, so now we we're getting the time where uh you know we've been on for two hours now. So, let's let's uh push to tackle some of the questions on board.
Then, um call it a day. So, so it's like the first one it says, are current sexual norms indigenous or inherited?
>> Oh, and we we just basically defined it already with we just finished talking about, you know, like it's these these things were uh in [clears throat] indoctrinated and the ability to inherit our culture has been taken away from us.
>> I I I >> we're rediscovering it as we go.
>> I for one think is it's a mixture of both where there are aspects of it that are indigenous where there are aspect of it that are inherited. For example, when you you you speak on uh some Muslim countries where they practice some form of gayism uh but then also prohibit being gay you you know so so so you have the Islamic aspect that say it is forbidden but then you have the the natural the cultural aspect of it where people like did it regardless what being and openly okay so so I think it's it's a mixture of both so Colonialism created anti-LGBTQ laws.
>> Yeah. No, I can agree with that.
>> Yeah. For for for for me when in terms of even written law, yes. All of uh postc colonial African countries, countries where gayism has been not became become a criminal law. these laws that originally were written by the white men who colonized them. Mind you, the law that Ghana inherited until recent history is the same playbook that Britain left. Okay? So, it is is now of recent history where a few things has been added or removed from it. But the majority of the law, the bulk of it is still what the colonizers left.
So, so [snorts] now we have a situation where the same colonizers who said or who made it law or illegal to be gay are the same people are coming to tell you now it's all right to be gay. So then it begs the question why should we listen to you now or again? So now how do you teach an African that for example for those who practice some sort of gayism and so on that it always been there where you've wiped out their knowledge of such practices where you've wiped out their knowledge of um such knowing you know >> y it's uh you know it was intentional they didn't they didn't want us to know about these things they didn't want us to to practice these things. So, there's got to be a reason for it.
Yeah, there is a reason for it and and I think the uh the achievement has been achieved or the end game has been end goal has been achieved and that's what we are we have it now where more nations are pushing anti-LGBTQ law just because it is a [ __ ] you to the former colonizers that yes we have power to veto whatever you think. So they are made it criminal law to prevent uh these people of existence in our society. So let's tackle the uh I think we're going to skip the third one because I think uh most of us we've spoken about it.
>> Yeah.
>> But can't a society preserve cultural tradition while accepting diverse sexual identities?
Sorry, I got a pit bull going after my cat.
>> Yeah.
>> No problem.
You should You should get to tend to your cats and your animals because it is most my cats are useful.
The dog is not.
>> The dogs are useful.
Yeah, my cats are more useful because they keep the uh varying levels of uh rodents away.
>> The snakes >> the snakes.
>> The dogs just bark.
>> Uh my dogs keep the uh the two-legged predators away.
>> I I see. I see.
>> Yeah. Sorry. Um, I just want to say one thing about number three.
>> Uhhuh.
>> I'm going to say that I believe for I am I am for the LGBTQ community. However, their indoctrination of things, it probably isn't the proper way to do it. Um, but I am for the freedoms to love who you want to love.
[ __ ] who you want to [ __ ] Uh be around the people you want to be around and uh making that freedom of choice for yourself. I'm very pro for that.
Could we get [ __ ] up? Hijazzi.
He's proud against >> Yeah, I'm I'm uh I'm here. Uh, sorry, I had to um uh let me see. I don't think he's here.
Let me see.
Multi- guest. I invited him. Let's see.
>> You know, I I would want I would want for you the same things I would want for the LGBTQ community. Just to love who you want to love, be who you want to be without fear of reprisal, prejudice, or discrimination.
Well, let me see what I was going to join. No, I don't think No, no. I I understand. I understand why people claim, you know, because, you know, when I do these lives in in many in many regards. I don't do it because um I have a fast uh pelbent ideology understanding of things. I do it to learn new views.
Yeah, >> that's why I do come here and and speak to people of those things. Yes, I do have my um uh how do you call opinions about certain things where things that I like or do not like. But yet again, I'm always open to discuss with people who um I dislike. I I won't say dislike but I disagree with because that's how you you learn new things by speaking to people you disagree. And as far as I am concerned, the LGBTQ movement as we have it now is detrimental and will be detrimental to the society, African societies because we don't have first of first and foremost the um >> I think we are obligated to find a solution to the issue that doesn't include more eraser or uh uh laws against Do you think we are obligated to uh find an inclusive solution to this?
>> I think we should find our own solutions to the problems that we face. It shouldn't be forced and jamming through our throats, you know. And I think the reason why many nations ban these things is because of it being pushed by the uh you remember last World Cup, right?
Where Qatar uh was saying no LGBTQ flag, no no beer and alcohol, right? Then all of a sudden people were speaking about human rights.
But now in the United States where you see America banning people from entering from participating in the World Cup, we don't see pre uh players protesting, you know. So, so then it begs the question, why is it when it is done by white people or the agenda is pushed by Europeans, all of a sudden you are wrong for rejecting it. But when they reject the same idea, it is good. is law, you know, and and when we speak of colonization and so on, it makes people fed up, you know, so people who choose to ban it all together just to say a [ __ ] you to show them that we have power. I understand why people do it.
I then understand why people do it.
Because you see when if Europeans were fair in the way they judge they judged people in the way they criticize people then I think it would be something that everyone would say okay you you hate us as much as you hate your own then people like okay that's a fair game. But you see that they only push the agenda on other people but not their own.
See, >> wouldn't that be the same as uh >> well, I guess it's not gender related.
It'd be more race related. I try to put everything under an equal playing field.
So when you're thinking about topics like this and uh decolonization and uh the idea of inclusivity with LGBTQ communities um that have exist that we all have acknowledged that exist everywhere in the world. Um I I think we are obligated to be inclusive towards a solution that moves towards the uh decolonization of the mind and the things that we have been uh doctrinated uh into thinking and removing that ideology I believe is a necessary step towards the decolonization of the mind.
>> So, I'm I'm I'm for the inclusivity rights and human rights for people of the LGBTQ community is in the same manner that I am with African-Americans or uh indigenous peoples of the world. I I think it's all part of part and parcel of the same the same uh kind of overhanging roof.
>> You know, I will I will put it this way.
I am fine. I am I don't think uh we should live in a world where people are in danger. Okay.
I frown upon the violent part of fixing social problems.
uh but it comes a point where we should ask yourself how does uh because that's why I ask myself for example how does someone being gay affect my life personally okay yeah but then the the thing is so far as it doesn't impact my life negatively then I'm okay but so far as any ideology or any doing impacts my life negatively, then we need to talk because now what you're doing is impacting my life negatively.
You see where I'm going with this? Then I'm okay. And it goes with any ideology, you know? So I don't um say I'm against things or for things if it doesn't impact. So when the government is pushing new laws within within the that's why I don't vote because I don't see how voting impacts my life uh directly. It doesn't I've never seen any change that has have a direct impact in my of my life you know at least as immediate impact it doesn't happen that way usually it would happen years later if there should be any but in many case it doesn't that is why I I believe more in affirmative actions and where things are happen you know instantly instant gratification that we can be able to govern our way ourselves without the intervention of a uh a state government and so on.
But I don't know if if there's so much to be said.
>> It's a it's it's always a convoluted topic really. It's we we may as well be talking about Israel and and it'd be the same level of convolution because it's We're we're were I don't know do uh I'll just leave that alone. No, no. I I >> I think the reason why >> whole other headache >> people are reluctant to join our live is this is the way we speak because we don't speak with aggression. You know, we we speak uh where people have to dig deep to answer the questions. You know, we we don't take or I don't take your no or your or your yes as a final answer.
It's always a why to your no, a why to your yes. that makes people reluctant of joining you know but if I say LGBTQ is bad or is good then you'll see people coming and call you are a fool you are stupid that's the kind of yeah but if that's why I remove the rage baiting out of this live all of a sudden you see the live is more quiet because people are like oh damn what is your best argument against all four the LGBTQ and then you say you see people are reluctant to outside of religion you know so so yes so So, so that is the reason why I I um frame the question that way because I have my reasons to be for against LGBT outside of religion that I do.
>> Yeah. I just try to I I try not to cross the line of of hypocrisy here because it's a very thin line to stand on. Um I try to uh in my in my battles for for indigenous rights in the world. Is it is it because legislation has been used as as a tool of violence to against me?
>> Mhm.
>> You know, Yep. just like it has for the African-American, just like it happens for uh other people in in positions of oppression.
Um the Palestinians they've their their existence gets legislated and used as a tool that legislation is used as a tool of violence towards them as discrimination against them um for persecution of them. Uh these are things we should be fighting against. I would think >> I do agree.
>> Yeah. do agree >> and that's why I like you.
>> I got to go. I got >> Yeah. Like likewise likewise. Um uh we've we've we've tackled the question rather quick. So I'm going to end the live myself. So to everyone everyone who liked and shared and comment or participated, thank you. You know, it's been it's been me for today. So on next Sunday, if you have a topics you want to speak of, just shoot me a message so we can uh speak on uh on these topics, you know. I I wanted you to host maybe next week lives. Uh [laughter] if you can, Scott, >> the host?
>> Yeah. Like you you you'll be in my position to be running the live.
>> Oh my god. Okay, sure. We could try that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so you bring you bring a topic where you're well verssed in and then we can see and I can structure the questions and we can >> have you uh do you want to tackle Alberta separatism?
>> Uh, let me know and I'll read more about it and see what I fit.
>> You'll be Oh, man. How am I going to moderate all this? Uh, let me think about it.
>> Think about it. Think about it and let me know. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right.
Okay. Byebye.
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