Sovereign Citizen Refuses to Participate — Judge Fires Back

Añadido: 2026-05-31

[00:00:00]it. I don't think it's going to end well for you. I tried to save you from that the first day you were here when I tried to convince you to have some conversation with a court appointed attorney and you didn't want to do all that. I know in my heart of heart I have no ill feeling towards you whatsoever and I'm going to give you the best trial I can give you today if if you decide to participate. But I am not going to let you drag things in front of this jury that I determine are not relevant because that's my job as the gatekeeper at the the the judge over the trial.

[00:00:35]>> I'll let you uh pick which one you want to deal with first.

[00:00:38]>> Well, this social state request process violation.

[00:00:44]>> Okay, just hold off hold off with the argument. Hold off with the argument.

[00:00:47]The question was what do you want to start with? Okay. So, you filed something Friday. I took a quick look at it today. Is that any different than the motion to stay that you filed previously?

[00:00:56]>> This This is just bringing the fact that all the motions I have filed.

[00:00:59]>> Is that a yes or no? Mr. DEL.

[00:01:03]>> Okay. Listen to my question. Is it any different than the last motion to stay proceedings you'll bias?

[00:01:12]>> Okay. Give me the just give me what you've added since the last one because this one I haven't had a chance to read fully. The first one I read fully.

[00:01:19]>> We told you bias. I just had a mistake yesterday telling me you didn't give a [ __ ] about what I had to say.

[00:01:25]>> That listen, Mr. Cazelle, this is going to be a very long day for you if you don't listen to my questions and answer my questions. That was in the original motion to state proceedings. I've asked you to give me whatever is new in this motion. New >> stuff covers telling me to sue the secret sue the secretary of state rather than addressing the due process violations of my case.

[00:01:45]>> Okay, stop right there.

[00:01:48]How does how is that lead to why this should be stopped today?

[00:01:52]>> All of this is stemming from where all of this should have been stopped >> a while ago.

[00:01:58]>> That's not the way it worked. Mr. Hold on.

[00:02:01]>> Hold on. Hold on. Okay. That's the last time you're going to interrupt me today without a contempt of court charge. Is that clear?

[00:02:12]>> Is that clear?

[00:02:14]>> Prosecution against me this entire time.

[00:02:16]I no one's made her answer.

[00:02:18]>> One more word and it's contempt of court.

[00:02:22]It's a $100 of contempt and if I get totally uh fed up with it, then I'm putting you in jail.

[00:02:29]Okay? Just because she and I happen to agree on the law as it applies to your case doesn't mean we're in collusion.

[00:02:36]It's possible that you're wrong. At least accept the possibility that she and I have the same opinion about something. That doesn't mean we're colluding.

[00:02:46]You understand that concept?

[00:02:48]Do you understand that concept?

[00:02:51]>> You're supposed to be impartial.

[00:02:52]>> I am impartial. I've been trying to save you. Just because I agree with the prosecutor doesn't mean I'm against you.

[00:02:58]It just means I agree with the prosecutor.

[00:03:01]>> So means you you're agreeing that means you guys are lying against us.

[00:03:04]>> So that means in any case when I when I buy the arguments from one side that means I'm colluding against the other.

[00:03:13]>> Yes or no? Mr. Crusel.

[00:03:16]No, you have to answer my question.

[00:03:19]Contempt number one. $100. Answer my question.

[00:03:25]Every time I rule in favor of one side, does that mean I'm colluding against the other? Yes or no?

[00:03:31]>> $200.

[00:03:33]Yes or no? Cuz I can do this all damn day. And when I get tired of this game, then I tell them to put you in custody because it's contempt of court. Criminal contempt in my view. Yes, >> it is. All right. So now, any argument you make from there, I'm going to deny because that's an unreasonable position you're taking. Judges by definition have to decide in favor of one party or the other. That's what we do.

[00:03:59]>> When you made that statement, you were making >> What statement is that?

[00:04:02]>> It was >> I thought we were talking about Judge Green's SOS statement. No, when you made this statement that you were setting aside saying that you don't you saying that the prosecutor, the township and his board all see things the same way, setting them out aside, not even allowing me to make my argument. So you were aligning yourself with the prosecution on the argument of my and setting it aside. That's what you were doing. Mr. Cressel, what I was doing was aligning myself with the law as I see it and interpret it. Stop. You can't just shake your head. You don't just get disagree with me and move on. If you don't like a ruling from a judge, you have to appeal that ruling. You don't just to keep you don't keep arguing with the ruling. That's not the way the process works. Listen, brother. Listen.

[00:04:41]Listen. I have tried to save you from yourself. If you remember the first time you in my courtroom, I tried to get you to see things the way the process was going to move forward. Because dude, this process is going forward the way I want it to move forward. You might not like that, but I'm in charge of the courtroom. And at the end of the day, if you don't like anything I do, you can appeal me. That's why they have circuit courts. But I'm not going to let you make this a dog and pony show, especially when we've got jurors here.

[00:05:11]>> It's dog and pony show. The sport has failed to let me make any of my statements, any of my cases. You even were trying to threaten me with contempt anytime I try.

[00:05:18]>> I am threatening you with contempt.

[00:05:23]>> No. No. Because third contempt, do not interrupt me.

[00:05:35]When I said your objections don't mean [ __ ] to me, is because you were using the word objection inappropriately. You objected every time I disagreed with you. If you have an objection, you have to have a legal basis for the objection.

[00:05:48]For example, she's trying to put a video into evidence and you say, "I object, judge. She hasn't laid a proper foundation because all she said is, "Judge, I've got a video. I'd like to play it for the jury." That's a proper legal objection. When I rule in her favor and you say, "I object," and I say, "What's your objection?" and you just disagree with me. That's not a legal objection. That's why I said your objections mean [ __ ] to me because you're not using the word appropriately >> because you don't know what you're doing. That's what I tried to tell you originally the first time you were here.

[00:06:20]You've never been to law school. You've never tried a case. You don't know the rules of evidence and all the other things that have to be in play to have a trial go forward appropriately, properly, and to be perfectly honest, in your best interest.

[00:06:35]>> Again, you're trying to spoon the time.

[00:06:37]>> I'm not spinning based on you not allowing me to do it. And that's what you told me when >> Okay. All right. So, let's do it this way. Let's do it this way. What motion would you like to address first? The motion to postpone. Denied. I'm not denying the jury trial because the jurisdiction should not wise on the prosecutor to prove those things.

[00:07:01]>> All right, let me let me stop you for a minute. What do you mean you're not going to proceed? You're here shows that there is enough to show you.

[00:07:12]>> Once again, you're not answering the question I asked. You just said you will not participate and I answer. What do you mean by that?

[00:07:18]>> Your fair is I'm not asking you to explain your your reasoning. I want to know what does that mean? I'm not going to pro uh proceed with this. You're here. So, when I impanel the jury, what you're just going to sit there, not going to talk. What what does it mean when you say you're not going to participate in both these things get addressed? All of all of my issues that have been ignored this entire time get inexplicably excluding people.

[00:07:41]>> Once again, if the motion and I deny it, it's been addressed. You may not like the way it's been addressed, but then you have to appeal it.

[00:07:49]That's the whole point of being all my attractions.

[00:07:52]>> All right. What's your objection? What's your objection to me denying your motion to postpone this trial at the last minute?

[00:07:58]>> Statement like whatever you would like to do from there, you can because I will until these things. I say, >> hold on. Hold on. Is this statement preceding all these motions you filed?

[00:08:08]>> Okay, then let me make my ruling on all of them. I think there's a motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction.

[00:08:14]Correct.

[00:08:16]Okay. Would you like to respond to that one? Because I think that's already been addressed.

[00:08:29]>> Mr. Pile was it 34 district court has jurisdiction over that occur within this town post.

[00:08:40]>> Did you appeal Judge Green's decision on that motion? I'm proseating because I'm actually contacting the appeals.

[00:08:46]>> Okay. So, there is no fi there's no appeal filed yet. Correct.

[00:08:51]>> All the >> I'll take that as a yes. There's no appeal filed. That motion is denied then. She made the ruling. You don't get to ask me to make the same ruling. Once again, don't interrupt me cuz I can go to four real quick.

[00:09:02]Judge Green, a judge in this court, ruled on that exact motion and denied your motion. That motion has not yet been appealed and it certainly doesn't get appealed to me. Is that clear?

[00:09:14]>> Yes.

[00:09:15]>> Thank you. Next motion. Motion to >> The judge can't just come in here and say that there's >> Yes, the judge can.

[00:09:27]Listen.

[00:09:28]>> Listen to me. Then appeal her to circuit court. A judge made a ruling. You don't get to keep arguing that same motion.

[00:09:37]>> All she said is that Judge Mar sounding a sign and that I should go sue the secretary of state. The things that she's claiming and saying were never said to me in any recordings they were submitted to the court. These things were never said to me and then she comes in here and makes these accusations and saying that the judge said this, judge said that.

[00:09:52]>> Fine. Then I'll say the same. I'll say the same thing to you. Listen to me here on your motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction. Denied by me. You can appeal me because the reason she stated the township of Huron issued you a citation. This court has jurisdiction over citations issued by the township of Hera. So for that reason, I'm prepared to move forward and adjudicate that citation. Is that clear enough so you can appeal my decision?

[00:10:22]Got it.

[00:10:22]>> Okay. Next one up is motion to reconsider for bias and judicial misconduct denied. Would you like me to clarify that in any way?

[00:10:29]>> Yes, absolutely.

[00:10:30]>> Okay.

[00:10:34]>> Then guess what? the Court of Appeals can overturn me because I'm not biased to you.

[00:10:40]You might not like the way I talk to you. You might not like the things I say to you, but I'm not biased against you.

[00:10:46]Believe it or not, brother, I would like to save you from what's going to happen today. I really would because here's here's my here's my dude. Let me talk.

[00:10:56]You have turned what should be a fairly minor misdemeanor and civil infraction situation into a huge mess. it. I don't think it's going to end well for you. I tried to save you from that the first day you were here when I tried to convince you to have some conversation with a court appointed attorney and you didn't want to do all that. I know in my heart of heart, I have no ill feeling towards you whatsoever. And I'm going to give you the best trial I can give you today if if you decide to participate.

[00:11:26]But I am not going to let you drag things in front of this jury that I determine are not relevant because that's my job as the gatekeeper at the the the judge over the trial. I'm not going to let you get into a bunch of arguments that I think are just going to cloud issues if I don't think they're relevant. That's my job as the judge, not because I don't like Mr. Crusel.

[00:11:44]It's because my job for as a judge is to run this trial efficiently and effectively. And I'm going to do that.

[00:11:50]And if I do that, I anticipate I'm going to step all over your toes and your beliefs. But that doesn't mean I don't like you or I have bias against you. So I am denying your motion to recuse myself. Anything else you want to put on the record so you can appeal that decision?

[00:12:06]>> Once again, stop. That's an improper use of an objection. What you want to say is I disagree with that. Which is fine.

[00:12:13]That's why you appeal it to the circuit court, but it's not an objection. What's your legal objection to my ruling?

[00:12:22]>> That's not a legal objection to a ruling.

[00:12:25]That's not a legal objection.

[00:12:28]So that's two motions down. The next one is motion for relief from judgment. I'm assuming that's Judge Martin's decision to set aside your defaults.

[00:12:38]All right. Do you really want me to grant that motion? Because if I grant your motion, that means the default that was set aside defaults that were set aside are reinstated.

[00:12:49]Is that really what you want today?

[00:12:52]Well, listen. Do they Sister Purcell?

[00:12:55]Yes or no? You filed a motion ask me to set aside a decision that was made. Do you really want me to set that decision aside? Because that means those civil infractions are then in default and they're done. Yes or no? Yes or no? Do you want me to set aside those default that do you want me to set aside the default set aides? Do you want me to reinstate those default judgments? Then I'll deny that motion. All right. You filed something called not notice of constitutional rights, which I didn't see anything where it required me to make any decisions or anything else.

[00:13:25]You're just letting me know that you're standing on the Constitution.

[00:13:29]>> So am I. All right. Uh the emergency stay we dealt with. You also filed an affidavit of non-consent. You didn't need to file paperwork for me to know you didn't consent with the proceedings, but I got the message there. Was that the only message I was supposed to get out of that document?

[00:13:43]>> Essentially, yeah.

[00:13:44]>> Okay.

[00:13:46]>> Prosecutor.

[00:13:47]>> Okay. I don't need a preachy preachy moment. I just wanted to make sure I didn't I wasn't supposed to get anything else out of that affidavit other than you don't like the process that we're involved in. Next thing I had on my list was affidavit of non-con. Oh, excuse me.

[00:13:58]Motion for judicial notice. What does that judicial notice of what?

[00:14:02]>> Um certain terms that this prosecutor keeps trying to use imply in this case that are not not the law terminology being used. Why?

[00:14:12]>> Okay.

[00:14:13]for example, you can use motor vehicles.

[00:14:18]>> Okay, motor vehicles pretty much a term of art in our business.

[00:14:23]Law limits how it's being used.

[00:14:25]>> Well, then you can make those arguments, but you can't tell her she can't use that phrase.

[00:14:32]Yeah, but I'm not the try or fact. So, if you want to make an argument to the jury that her use of the term motor vehicle is improper, you can make that argument.

[00:14:42]Is that what you is that what you're concerned about is you're not going to be able to make the argument.

[00:14:47]>> Yes.

[00:14:47]>> Get what stuff on the recordings.

[00:14:50]>> Well, I can guarantee you're not getting all these filings on the record because the jury has the jury has no reason to know about all your motions.

[00:14:56]>> All of this has to go all everything's taking place. All >> exactly.

[00:15:01]>> No, that's not the way it works, Mr. Cassell.

[00:15:04]>> No, Mr. Cazelle. All right. Listen, brother. Listen. You don't get to tell me what my job is. I've been doing it for 25 years.

[00:15:12]>> Listen, long time.

[00:15:13]>> Listen. Well, then that's why they have appellet courts for the fourth or fifth time. I decide what this jury gets to see today.

[00:15:22]I decide. That is by definition the role of the judge at a jury trial. I get to decide what goes in front of that jury.

[00:15:29]If you don't like the decisions I make, you appeal those decisions. That's the way it works. What this jury has to decide today is whether or not you violated the township ordinance on that date.

[00:15:41]>> That's hold on. None of these legal arguments about whether or not I should recuse myself or whether or not you noticed me up for constitutional rights.

[00:15:50]None of that has to go to that jury and none of it's going to make sure my emergency stop motion stop.

[00:15:58]>> I already ruled on that.

[00:16:00]>> Certain acknowledge my motions for my next travel.

[00:16:05]nothing to do.

[00:16:06]>> Once again, I'm not trying to I'm I'm doing my function as a gatekeeper for a jury trial. I'm deciding what's relevant and what's not. And you can disagree with me that all day long, but we're going to do it once again.

[00:16:20]We're going to do it my way. You can appeal me. I've been appealed before.

[00:16:24]I'll probably be appealed be before I retire again. It's okay. That's the way the process is set up. I encourage you to to appeal me. All right. I am I am open-minded enough to think that perhaps my mindset about your your whole travel whole thing that all maybe that's all wrong.

[00:16:43]So a circuit court judge can tell me I'm wrong.

[00:16:47]But so far and I've ruled this way a number of time on the traveling issue.

[00:16:51]Nobody's ever appealed me to to lead to a circuit court judge to tell me I'm wrong. But I'm open to that idea.

[00:16:59]>> I said why you just judge the same thing. They just keep setting aside.

[00:17:04]Exactly. It doesn't even exist. Not allow me to make my case for violating my my rights. They have a very case.

[00:17:10]>> What's your case that traveling doesn't mean operating?

[00:17:15]>> I'm sad. In fact, the court's violated my due process rights in every way and judicial bias.

[00:17:20]>> All right.

[00:17:21]>> All right. Then appeal me. But today we're having a jury trial. An unlawful jury trial. And I think I'm late statement on the record.

[00:17:27]>> But hold on a minute. Once again, I want to know what that means. You're not participating.

[00:17:32]not participate in a jury in a trial, but there is clear bias in this board against you. It violates my right to a fair trial.

[00:17:42]>> 100%.

[00:17:44]>> And you want to keep overlooking, oh, I know they make you seem like they're not a big deal. And >> no, your rights are really big deal.

[00:17:49]>> Obviously not. Because if you can sit there and say that the things that are happening, the things you're saying, and just try to give these excuses, all just on this, you are aligning yourself with the prosecutor. I'm on my way to travel completely selling out allowing me. No, I'm not. Listen to me.

[00:18:07]>> No, it's not. Listen to me. Listen to me. She could step out of the room and I still think your travel argument is [ __ ] Traveling, the right to travel was when you did it by Shanks mayor.

[00:18:23]Then appeal me. That's my decision.

[00:18:26]Appeal me. When you're driving a motorized vehicle or traveling in a motorized vehicle, that brings all those ordinances into play. That's my legal ruling. Appeal it. I encourage you to do that. But that whole traveling argument, which do dude, I've been through that argument a whole lot more than you have.

[00:18:45]Trust me, in the last 25 years, I've had that argument a lot. traveling as you try to apply it meant you could not be stopped by the government from walking from one venue to another.

[00:18:58]But when we got motorized then the rules kicked in.

[00:19:02]>> Specific rulings from the American church permit sites that literally state that yes and including automobiles as long as not interfere with another right and this is something that is secure.

[00:19:15]>> Then appeal me. Take that president and appeal me. must be complaining as well.

[00:19:21]>> Okay, that's your right. I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to stop you from doing any of that stuff.

[00:19:28]I'm just trying to stop you from bogging down this jury with stuff that I've determined is not appropriate today >> because just because you're determined based off of what I'm saying, all these things are relevant and they are accurate.

[00:19:41]>> They're relevant to you. They're not relevant to me. I've made the decision.

[00:19:44]I have made the decision. I made that decision months ago and you didn't appeal that.

[00:19:50]>> Which is not an appeal is a is extreme, you know, bullyard that you can't do that either.

[00:20:00]>> Absolutely. I do that 100%.

[00:20:03]>> No. Listen to me. Listen to me. If I don't hold you to the same standard I hold her to, then I'm treating you differently than her. How is that unbiased and impartial? You've decided to engage yourself in this venue, in this arena. That means you got to know the jury instruction. Yes, you have.

[00:20:20]>> I'm forced to be here.

[00:20:21]>> You didn't have to do it with You didn't have to do it as an untrained lay person. You had free access to qualified, competent legal counsel.

[00:20:28]They're still here. There's one right there behind you. He's still ready to help you. You chose to do this yourself.

[00:20:34]That means you've got to know the court rules. You've got to know the statutes and the ordinances. You've got to know the rules of evidence. you and if I help you through those lapses in your knowledge base, that's not fair to the prosecutor, then I'm taking sides.

[00:20:50]And now, I'm not going to let her walk all over you and try to trick you because you don't know some of those rules and and statutes, but I am absolutely going to require you to know what you're doing because you've chosen to do it.

[00:21:02]That doesn't show bias.

[00:21:05]That shows impartiality.

[00:21:09]There is no partial and I have >> Once again, Mr. Crusel, that's your opinion.

[00:21:16]>> No, it's your interpretation of the facts. So, you have to appeal my decisions. And look, look, the dude, the fact that you're not in a jail cell right now shows how impartial I am.

[00:21:29]My officer's Rice literally pulled up to me, my weather days before any of this even happened, and talked with us about the drug and traffic. even told me I was well within my rights. Gave me every every clarification I was well within my lawful rights. This was all the territory thing from the beginning. And then he even went uh um she called me.

[00:21:47]He even called me trying to to all like me. And then he goes to put some more people and then he tried to get me to not pursue legal matters and then he gets mad at me and then the day that I file for my body cam I'm getting moved from here on out on a little league >> and stop hold on hold on. I don't doubt that it is, but I think we I think we got into this a little bit the first time you were here and I told you that's not proper for this venue. If you want to complain about the way the uh Heron Township Police Department handled this, there are no you can file a civil law lawsuit against him if you want to. But what's in front of me is two civil or one civil infraction and two misdemeanor. That's what's in front of me. Oh, every time I come to make my case based the court will keep setting all that stuff up and not allowing me to be >> because I'm going to make I'm going to make decisions based on the facts. That jury hopefully is going to make decisions based on the facts that are presented.

[00:22:40]>> Facts and this court continues to not allow me to get my facts >> because the facts you want to get into I what facts you want to get into that the chief had some conversation with you.

[00:22:50]>> It's not even just it's not just that. I mean well yeah regardless I have all that cover too. in fact my main offense based off what I was doing. I didn't have to produce any of that. It just keeps all getting all just thrown aside every single Oh, and just not even trying to acknowledge any >> So, hold on. I don't understand. Hold on. You want to be able to You want to be able to testify to this jury?

[00:23:11]>> No. I'm not testifying to That's what I'm saying. The amount of traditional bias in this >> I'm done hearing about bias. I'm done hearing about bias. You need to appeal me. I don't I don't feel I have bias.

[00:23:24]>> Well, I don't feel that I would have a fair trial here with everything policy.

[00:23:28]Why didn't >> And I've denied all these things. I've denied all these things.

[00:23:32]>> Well, of course you can deny showing people to show them again.

[00:23:36]>> Once again, Mr. Cressel, just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm biased against you. Maybe I just think you're wrong. Is it possible we could have a difference of opinion?

[00:23:46]Green told me that she was just not announcing myself because the secretary of state will make sure she got through this isn't a big deal. I'm showing >> I'm not going to impartial sport here.

[00:23:56]>> I've never brought a secretary of state.

[00:23:57]Have I >> This is where this all stems from. These are these are the things I've been trying to get noticed. This talked about this.

[00:24:04]>> What What do you want get noticed that we're not getting noticed?

[00:24:06]>> Fact of this collusion and judicial is not collusion. I'm What? All right.

[00:24:13]Listen. What are you going to do today?

[00:24:14]Cuz I'm ready to bring the jury and I've denied all Stop. I've denied all your motions. I'm ready to set the trial. Are you Are you not going to be here?

[00:24:23]>> Establish nothing is even here, right?

[00:24:26]And is regarding the jurisdiction.

[00:24:30]>> Once again, we're we're at $300 now.

[00:24:32]We're going to four. I'm going to ask you the question again. I'm ready to call the jury. Are you going to leave?

[00:24:38]>> There's no way you're talking.

[00:24:41]>> You didn't answer my question. I need to know how I'm going to proceed because we can have the trial if you just sit there. I'll just tell the jury you decide to represent yourself and you might not say anything today.

[00:24:52]>> So that's the way you want to go with the trial.

[00:24:54]>> I do. This whole case is against everything.

[00:24:59]>> Okay. No, no. Let's on the record as you feel they should be.

[00:25:03]>> I I I brought the sites that I left the sites at home. I bring up the person jurisdiction >> and one hold once again. I want to just because you just walked in the room.

[00:25:10]Once again, I want to let you know there's a very competent, experienced legal uh attorney here, defense attorney here that's more than willing to help you with this if you want his help.

[00:25:21]>> Well, this is actually what I supposed to do and that ain't going to happen.

[00:25:24]>> Anybody shown you were supposed to reduce yourself anything and I don't think I've shown bias. That's what we keep. Once again, you and I disagree.

[00:25:33]That's okay. That's America. You have to appeal me. You don't just keep to argue.

[00:25:37]You don't get to argue the same thing over and over and over until I agree with you. That's not going to happen. I know I am not biased towards you. I also know that your ideas of how the law applies in mine are vastly different.

[00:25:49]But because I'm in the black robe and I'm in charge of this trial today, my ruling stands until a circuit court judge or some higher court tells me I'm wrong.

[00:25:58]That's just the reality of it.

[00:26:00]>> That's what I have to do. You bring this person to rule it. Am I supposed to not going to stand by your the >> not by your definition? I'm not >> Secretary of State to you. I've never heard anything wrong and conceded. I am.

[00:26:14]You can say that again. It needs to be proven on the record.

[00:26:17]>> No, it doesn't need to be proven on the record. Show me Show me a statute or a court rule in Michigan that says I got to prove that statute, Michigan statute or Michigan court rule that says I got to do that.

[00:26:31]I have it in there.

[00:26:34]I thought I was in. So you're such a great legal scholar.

[00:26:38]>> MCL 168.420 and MCL 168467 may the judge must file an open the state and they got and you provided one that that is what it is. You haven't been to >> okay then I don't have it. You can file that motion to dismiss with the circuit court but we're having a trial today participating trial. That's not that's going to be impartial death, right? It's going to be completed. There is no impartiality for disposal be it cannot be for all of the amounts of time in the act.

[00:27:15]>> Okay. Anything else you want to put on the record before I call the jury in?

[00:27:18]>> Yeah. Length statement I would love to put on on the on the record.

[00:27:22]>> How lengthy minutes?

[00:27:24]>> Go ahead.

[00:27:27]>> Just so you know, you're putting this on the record. You're putting this on the record. I'm not listening. Showc This court has failed to motions by file case until she she can make.

[00:27:44]>> Thank you.

[00:27:44]>> I respectfully assert this court has failed to address the vertical motions I have filed in this case, including a motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction, motion to recuse bias, and a motion for relief from judgment. These motions have raised significant concerns about courts jurisdiction, judicial bias, and violations of due process under both the Michigan Constitution and the US Constitution, particularly the fifth and 14th amendments. I have also submitted affidavit and motions, including an affidavation of truth and an affidavit of rebuttal regarding the traffic stop by officer me, which is connected to this case by August 21st, 2023. Uh, citation number 24 HR1014, which is court also ignored. These documents directly challenge the jurisdiction of the state in this court and failure to address the unconstitute a violation of due process rights.

[00:28:28]Additionally, I have filed and not consent a motion for conditional notice a motion for clarification of accuser which may be acknowledged by the court in Marbury versus Madison 5 US 137. The US Supreme Court clearly established that any law object to the constitution is void. I believe the acts were lacked there of the fourth violent fundamental constitutional principles. In Murdoch versus Pennsylvania 319 US 105, the court reaffirmed that no state may impose fees or penalties for exercising a constitutional right and Thompson v.

[00:28:58]Smith 155 um reinforced the fundamental right to trial creating without undue interference. Additionally, title 5 USC 556D, 557, and 706 require that any judicial or administrative proceeding be fair, free from bias, and based on factual evidence. I have serious concern that this court has disregarded this evidence. I have serious concern this court has disregarded these principles given this path of dismissing my motions and statements by made by your honor, who has stated on record at least see things the same way, referring to the prosecutor, Tom Fipp, state in this court. This admission clearly demonstrates the digital bias and lacking impartiality which undermines the fairness of these proceedings. It is also significant that Judge Kina Green has advated in court that the Secretary of State is influencing the rule stating that the court is required to enforce certain rulings because of the Secretary of State makes them do so. This further demonstrates this court is not acting as an impartial judicial body but is enforcing motor vehicle codes on other rulings based on external directives rather than applying the law independently. The secretary of state is an executive branch agency and his influence over judicial proceedings is a violation of the separation of policy and the constitutional right to an independent fair trial. Furthermore, there is clear evidence of exclusion between prosecutor here in township including the inship police department.

[00:30:18]I have submitted body cam footage highlighted violations of department policies by several officers including officer mro, officer size, officer Smith, and chief effort bless. These violations occurred even after Sergeant Price confirmed that my activities were lawful. Yet, this court continues to overlook these crucial facts. Officer, Maryland's traffic stops of both myself and my wife are connected to the ongoing retaliation against me and my family, which is compounded with compounded the bias and misconduct in this case. My visibility and respect your honor's oath of office through an affidation of fact registration statement demand request pursuant to the foreign agent registration act 1938 and anti-brobery statement request and I have received no response. This lack of response rate is thoroughly questioned about the legitimacy and legal standing of this court. Moreovers issued unsigned default were without jurisdiction or court seal and during court proceedings she admitted she did not understand the sui jurisment. These actions reflect further incompetence and violations of due process. I must also address the township's deliberate attempt to mislabel my private automobile as an off-road vehicle under local ordinance circumvent my constitutional right to travel. This mis mislabeling is an attempt to subject me to commercial regulations that do not apply to private non trail. This whole army ordinance is never intended for public roads under the various variable trust United States 318 US 363.

[00:31:45]When government entities operate in a commercial capacity, they lose sovereign immunity and are subject to the same legal standards as private corporations.

[00:31:52]The court's actions, including the mislication of commercial motors, further demonstrate his commercial interest and misinterpretation of law.

[00:32:00]The supremacy clause of the US Constitution, article 6, paragraph 2, mandates that this court is bound by the constitution, which is the supreme law of the land. This court, however, continues to proceed without regard for constitutional protections, violating my rights at every stage of these proceedings. To continue under these circumstances, would be a violation of my constitutional rights and the abuse of judicial power. I respectfully request the court issue rulings on the pending motions, including a jurisdictional challenge. They've immediately dismissed this case by assigning overwhelming evidence of judicial misconduct, bias, and due process violations. So these issues remain a city relief hold all parties accountable, including Rod, Judge Martin, Judge Tina Green, Prosecutor Kayla Margaret, Foley, Officer Miro, Officer Scy, Officer Smith, Chief Effort Robbins, and the Heron Township Police Department. I further assert that if this court continues to proceed under the presumption that I engage in conflict commerce and must present evidence to substantiate his claim without such evidence, this court has no authority to enforce commercial motor vehicle codes or lower od ordinances of bonding and any further actions would be unconstitutional and law.

[00:33:08]>> Arriving here dig court back in session.

[00:33:11]>> Bring the jurors in. Mr. CEL, just so you understand the process, we're going to uh do vir. Uh did you have a chance to talk about the iPad?

[00:33:19]>> No. Hold on a minute, Joe.

[00:33:22]>> Yeah, I told I would go over it.

[00:33:23]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:33:26]>> I I understand that's your position, but I'm still going to explain things as they go. All right. I mean, I just want you to understand what's going on. So, if you decide you want to jump in, you'll know where you're at. Understood?

[00:33:36]>> I'm not trying to talk you into participating. I'm just I'm just letting you know what's happening. I'm going to explain things as we go for you and them. You got that?

[00:33:45]>> I suppose I don't I don't understand why I need to sit here and use my time for an appointment. Cuz if you if you leave, I'm going to ask you a bench warrant and you're still going to have to deal with us down the road.

[00:33:55]>> At least this way. Let's hold on. Listen listen here. One of two things can happen today if we have the trial.

[00:34:01]Either they find you not guilty and you're done. Then you can file all your grievances and stuff. Or they find you guilty and you're just filing one more appeal.

[00:34:11]All >> sudden wasting everyone's time.

[00:34:13]>> You've already wasted their time because they're all here.

[00:34:16]They're all here.

[00:34:18]Well, that's why I filed these things weeks ago. These things should have been addressed before this process even took place. There's a scheduling issue that takes place, too.

[00:34:26]>> Hold on. Hold on.

[00:34:28]>> Hold on. Hold on. Don't interrupt.

[00:34:33]>> You didn't appeal the last round of decision. You didn't appeal the decision you didn't like from Judge Martin. You didn't appeal the decision you didn't like from Judge Green. And you didn't like the You didn't appeal the decision you didn't like from me last time you were here. So, here's my problem. I'm not going to journ today because you say you're going to appeal because if you don't, we've accomplished nothing and we're no further to resol resolving these files.

[00:34:56]>> I didn't contact.

[00:34:59]>> Okay, let me hold on. Let me try to educate you. Okay, you contacting the appellet court. First of all, this should go to the circuit court. All right, you've gone.

[00:35:11]>> Okay, so I didn't choose for you to be here, but you're here. Okay? So, we have to get through it. All right? So, the way it works is you don't just talk to them about an appeal. You actually file and perfect an appeal. Did you catch that?

[00:35:29]The judge just mentioned a competency evaluation and that is a huge escalation. At this point, the court clearly believes the defendant either fundamentally misunderstands the legal process or is refusing to engage with it. And this is where these sovereign citizen style arguments often collapse in court. Not because people aren't passionate about their beliefs, but because courtroom procedure runs on evidence, statutes, and appellet rules, not personal interpretations of constitutional language. By now, this trial isn't just about traffic charges anymore. It's become a clash between ideology and the legal system itself.

[00:36:04]Asterisk.

[00:36:06]>> But you didn't perfect the appeal.

[00:36:10]So there is no appeal.

[00:36:12]There's you started the process but there is no appeal. So my we're going to go forward today.

[00:36:22]The only question is are you going to be in the chair or not?

[00:36:25]>> Well again if you wish for the bottom one correct >> depending on what I set the bench war at >> can be whatever I want it to be >> once again. once again. But see, you think that's bias, right? And that's me explaining to you the way the process works. I could set a $10,000 cash bail on this.

[00:36:49]And until a circuit court judge tells me that's that's got to be set aside, it's the bail. That's the bond I set if I set it.

[00:36:59]Because here's the thing. Once and I'm trying to listen, dude. I'm trying to get you to see I've got a job to do.

[00:37:06]It's got nothing to do with you personally.

[00:37:11]>> All right. You keep bringing this. You know, I'm having so much trouble getting through to you. I'm thinking the next step is a competency exam.

[00:37:18]>> So, that fact that she's holding that on the record in front of her then and all the things that she's saying the judge said, she never said that. I have the record submitted. She told me she wasn't doing this because the secretary of state >> can appeal Judge Green's decision. I've told you that at least five times today.

[00:37:34]If a district court judge makes a decision you don't like, you appeal it to the circuit court. You don't just keep arguing again.

[00:37:41]That doesn't get you any further along.

[00:37:44]So, if you don't participate today, if you just sit there, that's fine. We'll have a trial. You can jump in if you want to. You don't have to. I mean, in any in any criminal trial, the defendant doesn't have to do anything. But at each step of the game, I'm going to let you know what your options are. So, for example, when we do vier, I'm going to ask questions of the prospective jurors.

[00:38:02]She's going to ask questions of the prospective jurors. You can ask if you want to. You don't have to. All right.

[00:38:08]When it's time to pick the jury, she has a certain number of challenges she can use. So do you. You don't have to exercise those challenges, but that's the way we pick the jury. Do you understand that process trying to get all this stuff establish?

[00:38:25]And I still have some evidence that I'm trying to get from the caution that they're using codes for it because they give me the policy information that they got them giving me the policy because they were trying to make things.

[00:38:35]>> Okay, stop. Stop right there. Hold on.

[00:38:37]Hold on. Stop right there. Stop. Stop right there. That's something new. New evidence you're waiting for. What are you waiting for?

[00:38:45]>> This is rare. I haven't got it even.

[00:38:48]>> No. No. Tell me what it is.

[00:38:50]>> What? What? And then I said that I requested before in the very beginning with my bottles here.

[00:38:55]>> No, no, no, no, no.

[00:38:57]>> What is it? You're looking for some some records, some ordinances.

[00:39:02]>> The the tracks, comments, and things that were put in there that >> Hold on, hold on. In where?

[00:39:07]>> In the police. In the >> You don't have police reports?

[00:39:10]>> Well, they I I do, but they I found out that they held certain documents that when I filed my they didn't give to me.

[00:39:17]And then upon doing more filing for more stuff, I I call her that they would not serve them.

[00:39:23]>> They are doing the whole thing.

[00:39:24]>> Hold on. Let me Let me hear what you guys say. Just hold on. Go ahead. I do.

[00:39:29]You have any idea what he's talking about?

[00:39:30]>> I think he's bringing things from the um >> You mean like the officer's personal notes?

[00:39:40]>> Had notes.

[00:39:43]And for example, body camera where they're standing under a patrol car and the computer is on. Those are all lean material that can't be discoverable. It can't be shared with people outside those that are uh have the security merits to observe or handle lean material. So that's what I'm referring to.

[00:40:03]>> Okay.

[00:40:03]>> That's not what I that's not what I refer to. the notes on the computers and stuff that's now there's even stuff that was in the body cam that when they were talking to the chief that they purposely redacted out of the conversations and the notes that I that are completely all redacted has nothing to do with computers it has nothing to do with personal information and names or addresses there were things that were stated in conversations that were taking place in these notes >> let me stop you during the traffic stop >> and I thought they would when they should have given it to me in the very beginning with my foyer for everything that's involved in my traffic stop They >> Okay, hold on. I'm trying to clarify.

[00:40:36]Are you talking about like um how do I want to say this?

[00:40:41]>> Personal comments between two or more individuals comments if it's stuff that's logged through the traffic stop.

[00:40:48]>> No, no, stop. But I got to understand what you mean logged through the traffic stop. You mean it showed up on camera and then they edited the camera or edited the the recording?

[00:40:57]Well, there was no clear no clear pieces behind it. I'm trying to get reasons to why the data weren't connection because there's supposed to label bot. I haven't got anything and then in it's in the comments sections of like what was going on.

[00:41:09]>> Hold on. Comment on the incident report.

[00:41:11]>> It's No, it was just it's not the incident report.

[00:41:14]the um while the Trex is taking place stuff that's being entered through um like I can't remember exactly what the paper gives I am said I'm in the process of getting that I had appealed it to the supervisor and then he didn't he vaguely gave just cited stats and codes but he was supposed to tell me how why he didn't even see appliance to the le sections which fail to do because >> all right so hold on so what I'm hearing I want you to confirm whether or not I'm hearing it correctly I think what you just said was those comment section things that you want. They're telling you that's all lean stuff and it's protected.

[00:41:50]>> Other I have other >> Hold on. Is that a yes? That's what they're telling you >> essentially.

[00:41:54]>> Okay.

[00:41:55]>> So, and I have paper they didn't do it in Indian only.

[00:42:01]>> Oh, hold on. Hold on. Other one >> other than several times the cops came out of their house. They were told this has been going on for all year round.

[00:42:12]Okay. So I filed at all every cop that had been there, all the reports, anything to do with anything that I could get that was accessed to me. And then that's how I found out that these other reports weren't released to me and I did my life. They did the same thing.

[00:42:25]Everything to do with that entire chart is all completely redacted. Yeah. The other stuff is all open.

[00:42:31]>> Redacted from >> the whole page >> from Hold on. Redacted from the incident report.

[00:42:37]>> Yeah. From the incident, >> the paper report that you received.

[00:42:40]>> Yeah, exactly. Okay.

[00:42:42]>> And there with no justification at all to why any of these things are redacted.

[00:42:47]I keep telling and how they didn't move the policy. I apply I policy three separate times to the department and then they cite these lean codes for names and addresses and stuff which I understand there's certain >> what policy the policy conduct for their conduct and and how officel right so they they died several times stating they're trying to install these connections now. So I appealed it to the dump supervisor and he released all my information and it showed that the policy showed that his officers violated the policy and you didn't >> Okay, hold on. Stop. Stop. Stop. So he released everything but not everything you want.

[00:43:25]>> Well, then once I realized they were doing this, I went back more. That's how I know there was more stuff that was under released me and then doing the same process using these lead codes to not let me see what was put in these in this paperwork.

[00:43:38]>> And that's why I follow the American Titans. I've been trying and foiling all this this whole time trying to do this stuff together and I'm getting every which way I'm being screwed.

[00:43:53]>> He's raising issues that concern me cuz now we're talking about discovery requests that are being partially fulfilled.

[00:44:03]>> Uh, as you can see, as anticipated with this stop, he does have the incident report. He does head body on camera for four officers in car uh dash cam what have you. He also uh personally took video. I haven't there was no mutual discovery. He elected to use the foyer um route to take all this information.

[00:44:26]What he's referring to again is the CAD information where there is no material.

[00:44:31]nothing bad affects what the substance of the incident report or the body warn camera or anything of that effect. He's also talking about incidents that I think there were probably about the township attorney is dealing with it as opposed to township prosecutor. Uh there probably about 20 different contacts that he has sought foy through. So it's not just this incident. Um, and what I suspect he's talking about where uh police may have came to his house or like a traffic stop or speeding ticket, there are no incident reports. Those are not. So, that's probably why those are blacked out as opposed to business where a misdemeanor was attached and an incident report had been written.

[00:45:20]>> Okay. Anything else as far as information you requested that you don't have that you think you need?

[00:45:27]>> Um, I mean that's the base of it. I'm still actually now that I've been having to really dig into stuff. I'm uncovering more to the body games. I have to file more and get more stuff on redacted because there is weird points in these conversations that I'm purposely redacted. Nothing to do with lean information that they keep claiming.

[00:45:43]Same thing with these these cats refer to us. Not even trying to get hold of them. And I understand that there are things that they can redact through the lean code, but these entire things that are there's no way the entire pages and these comments and everything are all lean information. There are no way I've been told for Sergeant Price things that are said in these first things about me and stuff like that being the back because it can be used showing the bias retaliation against them and I know for what was said in these things that's why I know what being is more than what to say.

[00:46:14]>> Okay, but Mr. Purcell, with all due respect, that all sounds like a civil lawsuit against the township.

[00:46:20]>> Well, yeah, that's this is my arguments.

[00:46:21]I'm trying to bring it in this court, but everything's just being heated >> because I'm not I'm not going to get into all that with a jury.

[00:46:27]>> Well, that goes directly to this what I'm saying. And that's why I've been trying to get all this stuff answered before we even come to this point.

[00:46:33]>> I'm not going to let you get into all that with a jury. It's it's going to be confusing. It's going to it's going to we're going to go down rabbit holes. by little areas. I need to be able to present my case to the fair side of this case.

[00:46:44]>> Go back to February the last we set this trial two months ago.

[00:46:48]>> You're right.

[00:46:49]>> Two months and two weeks >> trying to get the jurisdiction established. I'm trying to get the judicial bodies taken care of. All of these things that they just keep just it is what it is getting swept under the rug. But I hold on hold once again. I have to take offense to that. I have to take offense that I'm not sweeping your judicial bio bias argument under the rug. I'm denying it.

[00:47:10]Well, I give it I give.

[00:47:13]>> Okay. No. S seriously, see, it doesn't matter what you have to say. If I'm determining bias, I know what my heart is.

[00:47:21]Now, you appeal that decision or you grieve me to the the uh judicial grievance commission, right?

[00:47:30]They can look at all your facts and say, "Well, Oakley, clear bias, but I don't have to hear all your arguments and see all your evidence to know I'm not biased."

[00:47:41]>> That's fine. Like I said, and I have already started the process. I will be going down it. The more >> I sir, it's 9:02.

[00:47:51]The jury's been here since I'm assuming shortly after 8. So, no more showing up.

[00:47:55]Again, like I said, I cannot I cannot I cannot participate in something that I know is not is stacked against 100%.

[00:48:03]>> Well, once again, you think it's stacked against you just because you don't agree with the way things are going.

[00:48:09]>> Okay.

[00:48:11]>> They're going to show these things to be established. There has to be >> then stop. We're we're just hashing we're hashing the same arguments again.

[00:48:24]If you're right, then you've got an automatic appeal if they convict you. If you're right, and this whole thing has been nothing but a sham and it's all this turned into.

[00:48:34]>> Okay, bring the jury in. I'm tired of talking.

[00:48:40]>> Motion who?

[00:48:43]Oh, I forgot you file a motion. Give me just a moment. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see that? Hold on. Hold on. Did you get her motion?

[00:48:50]>> I never know.

[00:48:55]You got a copy? You can just at least show him so he can see if he's seen it before.

[00:49:02]>> When did you send this to me?

[00:49:04]>> Last Tuesday along the >> I have never seen this.

[00:49:09]>> Take a minute to look at it.

[00:49:10]>> I also like to bring up for the record.

[00:49:12]>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Have you had a chance to look at what you just handed me? Okay. All right. So, are you ready to argue that motion?

[00:49:20]>> Well, no. I I have no time to prepare for anything next time. I I've never seen that before. And it's just trying to keep me from being able to bring up all my valid arguments that are all >> once again valid as you determine them.

[00:49:34]>> Is it facts to the >> as you say? That's the things they're trying to say, right? They have no evidence. Where is the evidence? Right.

[00:49:42]>> Right. But I haven't ruled that anything she's trying to put in front of the jury is invalid.

[00:49:47]>> So my my defense to my >> Well, here here let's do it one at a time. She wants to stop you from saying anything about due process violations.

[00:49:56]>> Did you plan on Did you plan on telling the jury that your due process rights have been violated?

[00:50:01]>> All part of this case.

[00:50:02]>> Okay.

[00:50:04]>> Same thing with all the way up to the traffic stop all the way till now.

[00:50:07]>> Specifically, what were you going to tell them about your due process violations?

[00:50:10]>> Well, I don't have a I don't have my defense completely in front of me because I'm again trying to get all the other matters. I'm not ready for that.

[00:50:18]So, I've never even seen it. like to build up a defense to that.

[00:50:22]>> How was that provided to Mr. Cressell last week?

[00:50:26]>> Okay.

[00:50:29]>> Hund motions on Thursday, so much time to respond. Uh I did send it in the mail. I dropped it off post office Tuesday morning. Um and I didn't receive his most recent motion.

[00:50:42]>> That was filed Friday.

[00:50:45]>> Right. Right.

[00:50:46]>> I said I don't want to serve anyone else. I know that you're too soon, but I we've we've never got first last name.

[00:50:52]Never. All right. So, here's what we're going to do. If you decide to participate in presenting the evidence to the jury today, then if any of these A through E come up, we'll deal with those as a point on a point uh by point basis. Understood?

[00:51:09]>> I'm not, >> sir. Sir, I'm telling you, you don't have to.

[00:51:17]She wants me to give you a blanket instruction right now that you can't talk about any of these things that are listed in this motion. I'm not going to do that.

[00:51:25]If you choose to present anything to the jury and one of these topics come up, she's going to stop me probably with an objection. Say, "Judge, could we talk about that?" And then we'll talk about that item by item. Understood?

[00:51:40]All right. Anything else before we bring the jury in? You said you wanted to say something before the jury came in. I thought I thought you another key point to this. I I filed for um writers in Boston court trying to get all my hearings and everything. There's still one from the very first one from Judge Mark is crucial to this case. They still issue.

[00:51:58]>> How how could it be crucial to the case today?

[00:52:01]>> Second rule in there all my >> No, they're not.

[00:52:08]>> No, sir. Everything started on February 3rd, 2024 when your tickets were issued.

[00:52:12]>> So anything people.

[00:52:15]>> Let me answer. I'm trying to be patient, Mr. Cressel.

[00:52:21]Anything Judge Martin said at a hearing about those tickets after February 24th, 20 or 20 or February 3rd, 2024 would not affect the facts of what happened on February 3rd. Agreed.

[00:52:36]>> But it affects what is going on with this court. As far as the fact, >> the only thing that's going on with this jury is deciding what facts took place on February 3rd and how they apply to the ordinances the township is trying to apply.

[00:52:50]>> Yeah, it's going out of I'm not going to subject myself to sitting here through something that I know.

[00:52:55]>> Then get up and leave, Mr. Cressell.

[00:52:59]You're not under arrest.

[00:53:02]I've already explained your options.

[00:53:03]I've tried to be as clear as I can with your options.

[00:53:07]Well, well, Chris, I it's there's clear there's all sorts of stuff going on here against you.

[00:53:14]>> I understand you feel that way, but I've got a trial schedule today. Something's going to happen. Once again, if if you get lucky, they find you not guilty and you're done with this stuff.

[00:53:24]>> Can I take anybody to figure out what I want to do with this?

[00:53:26]>> Absolutely. Oh, one thing I want to make clear, the civil infractions don't go to the jury. You understand that? That's a formal hearing. That's just between us.

[00:53:36]You understand that? We'll deal with that after the trial if we have a trial today. The misdemeanor will be in front of the jury. Do you understand that?

[00:53:42]Okay. Take a minute. Make it quick though. I hate to have I hate to have the jury wait. You're back on the record uh with the people versus Cressell. All right. Mr. Cressel, I just want to put on the record the conversation uh that we had uh out in the hallway with Mr. Bow just present outside of your hearing, by the way. Apologize for that.

[00:54:00]Um but I filled you in. So, you've agreed you're going to pay your $300 contempt charge. I put that in air quotes. I'm going to apply that towards the cost to pay this juror jury panel for being here today. Agreed. In exchange, we're going to pick a date hopefully in the next 2 minutes. We're going to pick a date, put this back on our calendar down the road to give you plenty of chance to perfect your appeals, whatever you want to appeal.

[00:54:22]Agreed. Okay. All right. You can sit down. Okay. Now, but I have to say some other things. All right. I before I took the bench, I did a lot of courtappointed uh work. All right. So, I know that a lot of times when a defense attorney is talking to their client, they've got to get over a mental hurdle because a lot of people in a situation where the court's provided the attorney, they think the the attorney is not working for them. The attorney's working for the court. So, I want to make sure you understand how this works. Mr. Bowage, although we've worked together for years, he doesn't work for me.

[00:54:58]Really, he doesn't even work at my pleasure. I suppose if all three judges in this court told the uh Michigan Ninja Defense Council regional that he works for that we just don't want this guy in our courtroom anymore cuz he's just incompetent or whatever, they probably put him somewhere else. But other than something drastic like that, he's not here because I'm paying him and I've requested. You understand that? Okay.

[00:55:22]His job, his client is MIDC. And I I say his client because they pay him, but he's paid to represent folks in district court that don't have their own attorney. I just want to make sure you understand when he's giving you advice, he's not telling you what he thinks is best for me. He's telling you what he thinks is best for you. Okay? Now, the other thing I I'm assuming he he brought my offer out to you. Listen, if you want to get into all those arguments that you've referenced today and the last time you were here, I'll give you that.

[00:55:53]I mean, I'll I'll look at all the stuff you've got on the traveling argument, everything else, because what I told you earlier is I've got an open mind, okay?

[00:56:00]I don't think in my heart of heart you can convince me that your argument on traveling is a valid one, but I'll listen to everything you've got to tell me on that and every other issue. I mean, I'll give you an entire day set aside for a trial to do all that, but not with a jury. All right? So, I I want I want you to know that's an option. I'd like and if you need to have some conversation with your family or or Mr. about it. I'd like a decision on that today because when you walk out of here, I'd like to have a date on the calendar for either a bench trial or a jury trial. Okay? Um and I hope based on my earlier conversation, you understand why I can be much more free and easy about what I let in when it's just me making the decisions than it is with a bunch of jurors.

[00:56:40]>> Go ahead. Could we journ this now and I have had a conversation. I think we can streamline this case quite a bit. Could we set another motion date? It's not nothing that's been covered. We covered knee ground.

[00:56:59]>> Okay.

[00:56:59]>> This would be a simple motion. Uh with understanding it's yes. Uh and then if we need to proceed to a bench trial, we would >> far down the road.

[00:57:10]>> Uh well, it depends on how long his uh discovery is going to take. If is if there's anything even possible to be retrieved that I still have a month or so >> probably a month is too tight.

[00:57:26]>> In the process I've already appealed to the conference in the process.

[00:57:30]>> Okay.

[00:57:37]>> October 21 is too tight I think.

[00:57:39]>> October 21 I think is too tight time frame wise. You want to go into the next month?

[00:57:46]>> We came here. I'll talk to the court.

[00:57:48]>> I I don't I don't I have no idea how that process is gonna work. So I don't with the corresponding ain't asking a favor.

[00:57:56]>> No, I you're not asking a favor. We're just scheduling a date.

[00:58:00]>> Um J, you're going to do >> What is that?

[00:58:04]>> That's a Monday.

[00:58:07]>> Yeah. Yeah, that was open that day. If Caitlyn has >> Do you Do you have uh an opening on Monday the 25th? You're not scheduled >> of November.

[00:58:14]>> Just for a motion. Just this is just a motion hearing.

[00:58:18]>> We're not going to take testimony. Okay.

[00:58:24]>> As long as you're not No, you don't have that month.

[00:58:28]>> So, that'll work.

[00:58:31]>> 9:00 a.m. the 25th of November. It's the Monday before Thanksgiving. Nobody's got travel plans.

[00:58:40]>> Motion date.

[00:58:41]>> Okay. Um, so I think what I'm hearing is you think that will either be dispositive or we'll set a trial date that day.

[00:58:48]>> Yeah, sure. Or or we'll resolve it.

[00:58:50]>> Okay. All right.

[00:58:55]>> Okay. I didn't ask. Can you pay the $300 today? Okay. And I implore you, keep talking to him.

[00:59:02]>> Keep talking to All right. Anything else? All right. We're journed.

[00:59:06]>> Yeah. Go ahead.

[00:59:11]Uh, officers aren't here in US ready to testify at one.

[00:59:15]>> Understood. Understood. And you can give them my apologies. Put it all on me. Um, so your civil infractions, we're just kicking those down the road. Understood.

[00:59:24]Okay. Or I keep saying infractions. It's two misdemeanor, one civil infraction.

[00:59:28]All right. Okay. So, everything's adjourned. I'll make a note in the file so the cashier knows what to do with your $300. Did we set that at 8:30 or 9?

[00:59:34]>> You said 9.

[00:59:35]>> We set it at 9:00. But if he's always here early, she'll probably be here early. So get here early. We might get it done with. You're not late if you're not here before 9:00, but just telling them. Okay, we'll get your notice.

[00:59:44]You're good to go.

[00:59:46]>> Yeah, I got the money.

[00:59:48]>> Thank you, Governor. Thank you, Mr. Bon.

[00:59:50]I appreciate the effort. All right, Caitlyn, enjoy your