Smith provides a compelling analysis of how authenticity and vulnerability outweigh social status in the craft of humor. It is a sophisticated deconstruction of the psychological archetypes that drive modern comedic conflict.
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Added:Day three sobriety. Man, you proud of me?
>> You drinking a ghost? That ain't sobbriety. [laughter] You can't be drinking ghost out here, dude.
>> Sugar is a drug, dog.
>> There's no sugar in there.
>> It is. Yeah. It's zero cow, huh?
>> It tastes like a popsicle.
>> I don't know what got into me, but I've been uh back on the the weight loss grind. Like, like all of a sudden for like the last three days, I've been eating clean and working out a lot.
>> That's hella good. I've been doing the same thing. And I've been watching like hell of videos on YouTube about like what I should eat and stuff. And >> that's crazy. We just sitting here lying to ourselves.
>> No, no, no. I I feel like I'm telling the truth, too. And the other day I laid in bed talking to Chad about what is blood sugar?
>> What is glucose? What? Like really like asking like every question, just figuring it all out.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You You want a weight loss journey?
>> I need to lose about 30. I'm 265. I'm You know, when I'm 230, I have a six.
So, I I'm on a journey. You have a six-pack at 2:30.
>> At 230 I'm I'm shredded up.
>> You must be buff as hell cuz at 2:30 I am fat.
>> Really? No.
>> I'm 241 right now and this is like the fastest.
>> Oh no. I'm I got [ __ ] going on right now.
>> You look like you have the the the lipo.
No.
>> No. Hell. How about [laughter] you?
>> Hell no. Lipo is wild, man. Hey, but [laughter] I mean you we eat clean, but the air is dirty. There's pollution everywhere. So >> there's calories in the air.
>> I mean [ __ ] [laughter] >> Hey, we're ballooning. Wow.
>> That's crazy. No, I don't know what it is. Like what? I guess like honestly the thing that happens with me is that the fatter I get, the more depressed I am about the way I look.
>> And then as as I get more and more depressed, eventually I get closer and closer to the point where I'm like, "Okay, I got to get serious and lose weight." But like, if everything else in my life is going good, it's easy for me to avoid and ignore the fact that I hate how I look. So, I don't I don't know what it is cuz it's like I I I hate to like I I I hate to acknowledge that any of the hosts leaving could possibly have any control over me, but maybe it like checked my ego a little bit to be like, "All right, well, if you're going to have your hosts, you know, carrying guns, attempting to shoot each other, leaving the podcast, etc. Then maybe at least you could not be fat while they're doing it." Cuz you're a bigger target when you're fat.
>> You are. I'm a big target.
>> Even a blind man could hit me where I'm at right now.
>> When [ __ ] changes, the way [ __ ] tastes stays the same. So, we're just looking for familiarity.
>> Well, but you know what the thing is? My girl told me that when you are on Ozmpic, the foods you love the most in the world will taste like sandpaper.
>> Can you confirm that?
>> Yes, it does. And it's like you don't even you'll be forgetting to eat. You'll go like a whole day and a half and forget to eat.
>> You know what though? You know what's crazy?
>> Um you know why Jelly Roll didn't do the uh Ozic?
>> Because he heard it can mess up your voice and your vocal cords. And I don't know if you've been paying attention, but I watched the NBA Friday stuff.
Charles Barkley's voice has been like acting like it's blowing the out.
>> So yeah, you have to watch out for your voice.
>> Has he been getting smaller as well?
>> Yeah, he got mad smaller, but then like for like four games he was just like he was sounding like Doc Rivers.
>> Really?
>> Sound like the D. [laughter] >> That's crazy.
>> I've been scared of that [ __ ] dog.
>> I've been flirting with doing the uh carnivore diet. You know what I You know what I ate for breakfast today?
>> What? Four sauces. Uh, McMuffins, but no muffin.
>> Oh, [laughter] yeah.
>> So, just egg and meat.
>> Egg, meat, cheese.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Muffin McMuffin. I do raw vegan. That's how you You can lose 30 lbs in 30 days eating raw vegan.
>> I'm so anti-vegan.
>> If you had to pick one to lose weight, which would you rather do, the carnivore or go vegan?
>> I would do raw ve You know, raw vegan and vegan is two It's two different things.
>> Yeah, raw is worse. harder and like >> more unhealthy. But I've heard that the carnivore diet is not really that good for you in the long run either.
>> I think we're just messed up eating >> eat normal.
>> Try to eat clean. I I have the Ompic, not Ompic, but like it's some other GLP one that my doctor prescribed me like four or five months ago and I just have never really like taken it upon myself to actually do it. And part of the reason why is cuz my girl said that she lost a ton of muscle when she got on it and she's like, "I don't want you to lose a lot of muscle. I don't want you to be scrawny."
>> And and and a doctor selling you Ozic seems predatory cuz you're not even that overweight.
>> Well, I kind of asked him like, "Yo, [laughter] give me how much do you weigh?"
>> 240. I actually weighed myself. And that's another thing I do is that when I am fat, I won't weigh myself for like long periods of time >> so I can just ignore it. act like it's not happening, you know.
>> What were you at when we started?
>> I don't know, honestly.
>> Were you at You weren't too much over 240, I don't believe.
>> I was surprised when I got on the scale today and saw 240 cuz I feel like when I fought Jason, I was like 230. So, like 10 lbs is not that. And I I weighed myself today after eating and all this other [ __ ] So, it's like probably not accurate.
>> The worst part about having some weight on you is when you look at yourself in the mirror from the back and you see like these this little area right here.
Yeah. That's like that'll get you in the gym. You know what I mean? Yeah, cuz that's what your [ __ ] is looking at when you walk away from her. Looking at these >> and the the more weight you lose, the more that you get a little hourglass figure. Your hip your your love handles are are sucked in.
>> Yeah.
>> And then you get fat and it becomes real love handles. It's like you look at it and you're like, "Oh, that's the joke that they make about the love."
[laughter] Yeah. You know, >> and then when you a girl, your ass is clapping, too. That'll [laughter] make you really want to lose weight. Like, hold on. I hear another ass in here, right?
>> Sound like a round of applause in this mother. It's two asses in this room basically.
>> Yo, imagine if you could make your ass clap. Like, [laughter] yo, cuz I see mad BBL chicks do it.
>> Yeah.
>> Make it clap.
>> Oh, yeah. They just bounce up and down and their house goes pop.
>> Is that gay? If you do that as a guy, >> if you purposely clap your ass as a man, that's flirting.
>> Oh, wow. That's a party trick.
>> Go do that [ __ ] on Santa Monica Boulevard, [laughter] bro.
>> See what the response you get.
>> That's a mating call. Round of applause.
[laughter] >> That's weird that some things are gay that aren't actually gay, but they're so female coded that you just consider them gay.
>> Adam is convinced that getting pegged isn't gay.
>> Getting pegged is homosexual. [laughter] >> It's not. If a beautiful If Cindy Crawford pegs you, that's not gay. Is there balls on the dildo?
[laughter] >> See what I'm saying? See what I'm saying? Adam, >> that's a fair statement. There's no such thing as halfway gay. [laughter] >> I like that. That's not a bad point.
Yeah.
>> Okay. Wearing makeup. Wearing makeup is gay.
>> It depends if you're on a photo shoot.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You're right.
>> I've worn I've worn makeup before.
>> Anybody that's done any kind of TV, they'll put a little makeup on you and then you have the weird thing where you like catch yourself looking in the mirror like a couple hours later and you forget you got the makeup on. You're looking at yourself like, "Damn, I look good." And then you're like, "Oh, right.
They do me up." If a man puts the makeup on you, >> then you [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You can't have any contact.
>> But so if a dude's painting your face, it's no good.
>> But a chick is cool.
>> The chick is all good. We There's boundaries.
>> What if a What if a dude pegs you, but you hate it? [laughter] >> But you hate it.
>> This is crazy.
[laughter] >> No, cuz All right. You want to know what? I uh I interviewed uh Daphne Joy yesterday.
>> You know who that is?
>> No. unbelievably hot female. She's Filipino, I believe, and she has a baby with 50 Cent. She was part of >> Oh, the Okay.
>> She dated Diddy for a long time.
Recently, a sex tape came out of a dude with like a 10-in dick and Diddy with his little 3-in dick and they're banging her together and [ __ ] but like she's so hot.
>> And I'm I I I watched like cuz this is like her it was only her second interview. Her first interview was a couple days before with Academics. And while I'm doing the interview, because like the the whole academics one, they're flirting so hard and then I'm interviewing her and she's not really flirting with me.
>> And that was kind of an awkward moment for me where I realized that academics had more RZ than me.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Apparently, I didn't know.
>> She just likes weird black dudes. That's [laughter] it.
>> All those black dudes you talked about are weirdos.
>> She's talking about like, "Oh yeah, you've been losing weight. You're you're slimming down. You look good." And she didn't say anything like that to me.
>> Uhhuh. You ain't been slipping down.
[laughter] >> Puppy [ __ ] her.
>> You don't want to [ __ ] I do. I really do.
>> [ __ ] to be lied to.
>> She probably got some biggie in her [ __ ] and puppy [ __ ] her.
>> But [laughter] okay, I was thinking about this the other day is that like you you telling me like, "Oh, so and so this girl before you, so you shouldn't want to" is like saying like, "Well, Hitler went to Austria."
>> Right. Right. Right. I get it.
>> I don't give a I'm still gonna go to a I don't care if he's been there. It was a long time ago. Who cares? They've cleaned the streets hundreds of times.
>> Thousands.
>> Puffy, though. I mean, >> that's just not I don't care. I'm too horny to [ __ ] like that, you know.
>> No, she she's bad though. I mean, you know, >> and Puffy wasn't working with much either. So, she was that that was just like getting fingerpainted and stuff like she he was super small.
>> Was I ain't never seen Puffy's dick. I was watching. I don't know what >> I see. It's really >> And I'm a pecker. Not a dick. Yo, that's a pecker. [laughter] I respect that he >> called in reinforcements.
>> What? Why? Why be a billionaire if you can't hire a guy with a much larger [ __ ] to come suck your grain?
>> Why not just get a bigger [ __ ] You can buy more dick meat. They have places.
They have butchers. They have dick butchers you can go [laughter] to.
>> But I I feel like the biggest improvement you're going to get from like a 3 incher is to maybe like five.
>> That's enough.
>> That's almost double.
>> It's a lot better, but it's still >> still not really nothing to write home about.
>> Women don't really need dick. They they [ __ ] [ __ ] don't have dicks. They buy them. So just buy one. But the thing with Diddy is like his fantasy, his turn on was that he wanted to see his girl get plowed by a huge [ __ ] He just wasn't lucky enough to be born with one.
>> Right. Right.
>> That's got to suck to be a billionaire with a little dick.
>> Yeah. They need a like a dick uh I don't like an extension that [laughter] you can put on, you know, >> something for a gun.
>> Yeah. Extendo clip.
>> Yeah. Extend [laughter] a 30 shot dick. Like give me rather than hire star and a prostitute for Buffy, why not just get more dick?
>> What you probably don't know and I don't think most people know is that a lot of guys are shooting up like uh like silicone or something into your [ __ ] So like some of these dudes, they'll get a boner and their dick won't really look that different because they've got all this goop that they shot into it to make it like bigger even when they're hard.
So that way you don't have to be like 100% hard to be able to bang the chick on camera.
>> Really? This is going to That's Mike.
What is going on with this? You guys give him that stuff like that.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. No, man.
>> All this all these dick manipulation things. Damn. Why can't we just [laughter] work?
>> What nobody talks about all this extra [ __ ] Puffy had to do to Cassie. Maybe Cassie had trash [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Maybe her [ __ ] makes dildos get soft.
>> Nobody talks about that. [laughter] >> It's always the guy's fault.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, cuz Okay, there's a Taylor Swift song that I my wife loves it so much that for her birthday, I shot a music video to this song and it's basically a disc song about one of her ex-boyfriends and it's called The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived and you could easily listen to the song and not realize it, but what she's basically saying is that this guy had a micro penis. Right. Right. Right. And I was like horribly offended when she first explained to me that that's the meaning of the song because I'm like how would it come off if Drake put out a song where the chorus was basically like hey your pussy's way too big I can't I [laughter] can't get any pleasure out of your huge loose [ __ ] mansion [ __ ] feels like outside. [laughter] >> But but I I feel like that's kind of like one of the final frontiers of discrimination is that you could still make fun of a guy with a tiny [ __ ] Well, one day I always say that there's going to be a war and mark my words between between gay people and bisexual people.
>> One day gay people are going to get tired of bisexual people eating up all the [ __ ] and sucking up all the dick and they going to make them pick a side.
>> Yeah, >> it's going to happen with >> I can see that happening.
>> That's a good point. You can't be a blood in a [ __ ] >> Yeah. I mean, you got to choose.
>> Got to pick a side. [ __ ] you.
>> Can't be straddling the fence.
>> No. Yeah, [laughter] totally. Yeah. I think it just sucks with the dick thing, too, because you can't even control your dick size. Like, act like that's something that you can control. It's genetics.
>> Well, look, there's more dick in you.
You got to figure out how to get it out.
>> Girls have more control over the size of their own vagina than guys have over their size of their penis.
>> What for the keal activities? No, >> I'm saying you have a bunch of cage. You get by Lexington steel. All of a sudden, your pussy's a little bigger. And like for for a guy, there's just almost nothing you could do short of like getting a dick pump, which I I've heard that only adds like a half inch and you need to use it all the time. [laughter] >> You know what I dealt with? I I dealt with I smashed a chick who lost a bunch of weight, but her [ __ ] was still really big, >> right? [laughter] >> Didn't come down.
>> But why do we assume that a fat woman is going to have a looser [ __ ] Even though I'm 100% on board with that, and I believe that to be the case. probably just cuz they're bigger and it just you would just assume >> it it but like really you could take a woman with a tight [ __ ] >> right?
>> Stick her in a closet and feed her 8,000 calories a day. Like she's going to come out of there way fatter, probably with some kind of infection, but why would her vagina be bigger?
>> It doesn't really make sense.
>> It might be better though.
>> Damaged women have really extraordinary [ __ ] >> Damage. So if you torture, if she lives in the closet, you humiliate her. When you go to her, she's going to enjoy it because inside of every woman is a need to be destroyed.
>> That's a good point.
>> And then built back up.
>> But but the fact that she will be psychotic from being trapped in the closet, which by the way, we do not have any plans to actually do that purely for the form of comedy. [laughter] But I don't see why I would make her vagina bigger by definition.
>> Right. I just think you would just assume if if she big, everything is big.
That's just at least what I would think would be the assumption.
>> Or you would think that a woman who had sex with like a thousand dudes would have a bigger vagina, but really like just banging like the same guy over and over and over with a really big [ __ ] is I mean >> Yeah. If anything, it makes the [ __ ] more resilient.
>> Yeah.
>> That's really what I'm in it for.
Durability.
>> Resilient [ __ ] Yeah. That's always [laughter] just something built to last >> for a tough [ __ ] [laughter] So, so Craig, uh, you had some commentary that you were basically upset about some of the No Jumper hosts picking on Doughboy, most notably when he got his boob jiggled. But >> I wasn't feeling the sexual assault part. [laughter] >> Look, that was a step too far.
>> And look, man, I'm a comedian, so I don't take anything personal, but the art of comedy is very important to me.
So when I see people doing something that they think is strategic about the art form and it's not, it's actually really absent minded, it just that made me upset. But I have no personal issue with nobody. I don't want to go to the fade the parking lot, catch no fades or no [ __ ] like that. Pull out the whoopy whoopy.
>> But I love comedy, bro. And I love hip-hop, too. You know what I'm saying?
And these are two things that I've been involved with since I was a child. So, I understand the differences, the nuance differences between uh just people cracking jokes in a group of friends and then the art of comedy. And to me, that w that wasn't that wasn't represented in that conversation.
>> First of all, the the one thing we don't do in comedy is group think, common thought. What everybody thinks is funny is not funny.
>> Okay?
>> Just so just because a room full of [ __ ] is saying you're corny, you're funny, that don't mean that the [ __ ] ain't funny. You know what I'm saying?
That's some other per playground bully [ __ ] But as a comic, you're [clears throat] kind of you're at the will of the people. Like if you are doing standup and the whole room thinks that you're unfunny or that a joke that you just did sucked. I mean, that >> kind of becomes the reality, right? Even if you adamantly disagree, even if the 10 assassins in back all think that you're you're hilarious, if the crowd thinks you suck, >> oh, >> the crowd thinks you suck. And for all intents and purposes, you suck in that moment.
>> Indeed. And and that's all good. So that's that's the truth of the moment.
So I'm not denying that. But what I'm saying is like so in a room full of comedians, if that was a room full of comedians, that would have been a whole different vibe, >> right? Because look, first of all, in comedy, you have eight different characters of comedy. So you can look that up and read it to him. Okay.
>> So his character in comedy in in that situation is called the lovable loser.
>> Him.
>> Yes. So when you watch sitcoms, he would be Joey on Friends.
>> This is the guy that everybody thinks is stupid. a little corny, a little out of pocket, a little out of sorts, and they root for him to win cuz they know he's a fish out of water.
>> Wow. Okay.
>> Do you get what I'm saying? This is an actual character archetype in the art of comedy.
>> Whatever requires that much context. Is it actually funny?
>> The context is there. Here's the problem. The context is there. You're just used to receiving comedy with it already dictated to you. So, when you're in the art of comedy and someone is that character archetype, it's a skill to be able to play on that and take it further. But when you stop when you stomp on it and and and don't understand what you're receiving his gift as a comedian, you're not going to further.
You're just trying to stomp him so he matches all the cool [ __ ] happening in the room. And there's no cool in comedy.
>> Oh, this is cool. I'm the first one. The logical smart one, the anchor. Straight man or voice of reason. They react to the chaotic situations around them with common sense. Thank you very much. This has been a great podcast. [laughter] Like, comment, and subscribe.
Wait, this is so sick cuz I honestly I've thought about this a lot. The fact that like there are so many that there seem to be like archetypes on this podcast that emerge over time that kind of repeat themselves. A lot of people have made note of the fact that like Doughboy's current arc is kind of similar to to Lush a couple years ago or whatever. But okay, let's keep going through this. The lovable loser. That's me. Childish, optimistic, gullible, and impulsive. Despite their constant failures and susceptibility to mistakes, they remain highly sympathetic.
>> You thought I was just a loser.
>> Now I understand.
>> It was a whole plan behind.
>> Wow. Okay. I I kind of I feel seen.
>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> So I wasn't tripping. I just was like, "Oh, they don't understand what's happening." Right.
>> So look, and look, I'm I'm a rapper first, right? I got 10 albums, right? I became a comic in 2008.
So, I got as much time in music as you do and I got 20 years in comedy. So, I'm one of the rare people that understand the nuance differences. And in comedy, there is no cool. There is no wear Jordans, get nice tattoos, get the bad [ __ ] Comedy is not about that at all. Comedy is about vulnerability and uh having a heart to be yourself despite what the is going on in the room.
>> Wow.
>> You get what I'm saying? I So, so that's what comedy is.
>> Spitting. No, he's definitely.
>> So, so, so that's the problem I had with when you said that uh a lion that's lost his roar. That was like that's the only thing I wasn't with. I'm like, nah, you don't have the right to dictate to the crowd cuz you have more status in this situation. So, people are going to run behind you cuz they think that Adam has more influence over you. So, whatever you say, the rumor is going to roll with. But me, I don't give a about what Adam has to say or nobody. Not not in a disrespectful Also, many of the people at home truly don't really care what either of us have to say. I think it's >> other [ __ ] are trying to stay here and be on behold.
>> But that that was the thing that I think made that [ __ ] hit so hard is that even though Kyle's jokes were not really like objectively funny, like by just saying you look like Pinky, I want to wife you.
Like these are not things that would really pass muster around a bunch of comics. But the fact that he was such a low status podcaster who came into the room on a mission >> timing >> and then Doughboy was like seemingly unprepared to like deal with this like relatively amateurish roast.
>> I don't know that that to me was pretty lo but but it was flustering in the moment because I just didn't understand like I didn't know him. I didn't know what he was talking about like he's and he was mixing it with disrespect and he said you know what I'm saying calling me the b word saying [clears throat] I'mma slap you all. So, I'm just like, am I going to have to fight this? I'm not thinking funny right now with the whole slapping thing. But, I do want to throw out a theory. [snorts] >> I feel like a lot of your initial like anger towards me was dictated by the prior interaction that we had when you called in to the roast.
>> No. Well, no. No. Here's the thing, man.
I murder on stage. So, somebody saying I'm not funny. I know they're not a comedian. So, when you roasting, you just shoot the roast. If it's funny, we laugh. But you don't tell them. Like, you want to roast with me today? We can roast and have fun. It's funny though.
That's the thing. But like I didn't think that that qualified.
>> No, but that's not Yeah. Look, every look, every comedian from the worst to the best has bombed.
>> Every single If you don't bomb every once in a while, you're not really good comedian cuz you have to test [ __ ] to see if it works.
>> You get what I'm saying? So, this art form is not about cool. There's no cool.
Maybe I wasn't funny. I didn't read the audience, right?
>> Well, it's beyond that. I feel like you were kind of >> It's like when [clears throat] you said you were a rapper for several years, so I know you've done some bunk shows, right? All day long. And it's not your fault. You might have a great set, but the sound system is ass. The promoter didn't do their thing, whatever. So, it winds up reflecting on you ultimately.
>> I feel like at that moment, >> Doughboy kind of set you up to to kind of fail inadvertently. You didn't like Yeah. But I don't view that as a B. I understood that >> it wasn't a bomb. If I was Doughboy in that situation when all that [ __ ] would have happened, I would have just got quiet and say, "Oh, it's all good. I'm I know what this is and came back another day." I'm not going to try to fight Mike Tyson as an amateur. I got to learn the box. I got to be humble and figure out what the is going on. Okay, Lush. Okay, this is his moment. I ain't tripping.
You got me, dog. It ain't no emotions or no like it's nothing personal, but in that the mistake that Doey made is he should have just bowed out at that moment and let it be what it was. Now, I haven't been here for other stuff. I know my [ __ ] are wild [ __ ] I [laughter] know he's a wild [ __ ] I know him. I heard Adam say some [ __ ] I'm like, "Yeah, that's dope." But [laughter] Doughboy is also one of the best writers in the game. Doughboy is also resilient. He's also very vulnerable. You know what I'm saying?
So, whatever his issues are, he not scared to tell you what the is wrong with him. You know what I'm saying?
True.
>> So, it's like those are the type of things that we appreciate in the comedy community that I felt like could be possible here, but just cuz that you guys ain't used to that. It it just got looked on as being like some [ __ ] [ __ ] you know.
>> Can you give us an example of something that Doughboy has wrote that you found really impressive?
>> Oh, for sure. So, I had a series.
>> Oh, he's digging in the crates.
>> No, no, [laughter] I had a series. They don't even know, man.
>> So, I had a series during the quarantine based on a joke and the series was it called again?
>> Virtual Marriage. Virtual Marriage is about this couple who's never met in person, but they have four kids together.
>> And every time they want to, she lives in New York, he lives in LA, and every time they want to have a baby, he goes and donates sperm and they FedEx the sperm to her. She gets impregnated and they have a baby.
>> Fire dystopian concept for sure.
>> So they he raises the kids by on the phone. Like everything is done on phone and FaceTime. So he wrote that whole seven episode series in like two weeks.
>> And we shot that [ __ ] Yeah, we did a premiere for it. A bunch of people came.
You know what I'm saying?
>> Talented guy.
>> Yeah, he's a talented He's a He's a He's a producer and a writer. You know what I'm saying? And he can do standup as well. But, you know, everybody everybody has different gifts. Like in Hoopin, like Dominique Wilkins or Vince Carter, they dunk, right?
>> That's their skill. So, you know, um Chris Paul, uh what's the other guy?
They they handle the rock. That's their skill. So, his skill set in comedy, well, he does everything, but writing is like his gift. That's what he's 7T tall at.
>> Well, you can give him a movie script and in two weeks and he'll bang out a movie script for you.
>> You said Chris Paul, I thought you were about to say his gift to stabbing.
[laughter] >> Yeah, for sure. For sure. So, >> yeah, >> because he he told us that he's been working on a movie called Everything 420. It's a horror movie about No Jumper.
>> It's a horror movie. We've been waiting.
>> We were so skeptical about it that I felt like it kind of took the wind out of his sales and he stopped working on the >> No, no, no, no. I actually actually have I actually have the beat sheet in here right now and I actually was working on it uh over the over the weekend. No, I mean you guys can stomp the spirit out of [laughter] a weak [ __ ] >> out of a weak [ __ ] but I'm not weak.
So, you know, I've come I've come to even, you know, understand and appreciate everybody's personality cuz Adam will sit here and dissect me to the core live on air. But like I take it just because I know it's in the vein of me getting better. I know he's not just being a [ __ ] and just trying to make me look stupid.
>> He's not unique to you, by the way.
>> Exactly. Right. He's just he's just like a tough coach. Like >> one thing about me is that I'm I'm much better at dissecting and criticizing than I am at actually creating >> which is unfortunate. But that's uh you know that's kind of where I've found myself where it's like and I think about it. I've spent my whole life being obsessed with musicians and music and learning about them and criticizing music and and talking about music I like etc. But meanwhile never even thought about making music at all ever. aside from obviously the the many songs the great rap songs that we put together which I would not say are like really that indicative of like musicality in many ways but yeah >> yeah I don't know he was getting off but to be fair I think that what you described is way more producerial-minded right like it's so you are involved in the creative process and have input on it but you're not the actual creator >> and and that's why when people try to like give you that like cheerful positive advice where they're like And it's not the critic who who's at the top of the mountain or who has their hand raised in the middle of the boxing ring.
And then I'm like, "No, you got to understand I'm that guy." Like I'm I'm the guy who's not getting his hand raised in the boxing ring. But like we'll do a really good like description of why somebody lost or why somebody sucks or why somebody's good, whatever.
like, you know, I I'm more of a critic than I am like a creator in a lot of ways, which like I understand we're creating podcast, but like largely what we're doing is like commentating on and criticizing other things that other people have going on. So, I can't logically sit here and look down upon somebody who's a critic. And really, like a lot of my favorite content creators are critics who either make videos or or just write and like, you know, basically tear [ __ ] apart, >> right?
>> Hell yeah. But you know, also too, man, in your position, cuz I've been in your position, when you got to deal with so many personalities and [ __ ] >> you know, you get decision-m fatigue, that's a real medical diagnosis where you deal with so many different have to make so many decisions that at some point it's hard to even make one.
>> You know what I mean? So, I get that.
You know what I mean? So, that's the part that, you know, some some mother don't even consider. They just know what the they want from you or somebody, but they don't understand that it's 30 other people just like you saying the same [ __ ] >> You know what I mean? And then when you leave, one of those 30 comes and says something negative about one of the other people. Oh, you can't trust that guy. You So, it's all these politics and [ __ ] I know you have to deal with cuz I've had a podcast network that's not as successful. But at some point, dog, I know you just sometimes want to be like, man, all these [ __ ] >> Oh yeah. sometimes like, is it really worth dealing with all this [ __ ] to just make some content? Like, maybe it would be better if I just did [ __ ] by myself and got like significantly less views, but didn't have to worry about anyone. Maybe I'm that kind of person.
I've spent a lot of time thinking about that. But really, at the end of the day, I feel like I would so much rather sit there and have a conversation with someone else, at least one other person, rather than have to like the whole thing of like sitting behind the computer streaming by yourself. Like, I've done it. I feel like I could get a lot better at it, but ultimately it's just not really like my thing. Like I want to say what I got to say and then toss it to the other person and go back and forth, you know?
>> I would literally starve to death, too, if you did that. So [laughter] you >> What's the weirdest [ __ ] Cuz look, I I I could tell some stories, right? What's the weirdest like scenario or personality you've dealt with since you've been doing this [ __ ] >> Oh my god. I can't >> He's upper echelon. [laughter] He's up there. I mean, think about like let's just psycho analyze Sharp for a moment, you know, like a a convicted sex trafficker who whose whole personality is based on the idea that he's great with women, but like every woman I've ever met who had anything to do with him hated him and was disgusted by him and wanted nothing to do with him. And you know, you can't even have a conversation with him because he's just going to overpower you by basically like passing the buck to like a million other people.
every time I ever tried to talk to him about how to get better as a content creator, it was basically like, "Well, Laura did this." And I'm like, "You can't, you know, and but Meanwhile would like be talking so much that like you couldn't even get through to him to explain to him that he can't just get away with like blaming everything on other people." It like like when I think about the fact that I spent like years trying to make content with this person, that's insane.
>> You gave him like a lot of leeway to be honest. So, I don't think that [clears throat] a lot of other people that have worked here like you would have been as >> cuz he was doing so good at first. But that's the weird thing about No Jumper as opposed to other podcast. Like I remember when uh Joe Buddton was basically putting together that show that was kind of shortlived called State of the Culture and he I show up and it was like me I think Chuck English from the Cool Kids might have been there if I'm not forgetting and then like a couple other people and they put us on a panel and basically they give us topics and we have to discuss these topics and we're not on camera but Joe Bud's just sitting there like watching us and just observing what he thinks of us as podcasters. I've never done that. Every single thing that we've ever done on this podcast has basically like been for the fans to see. So we just try people out in real time and so the fans it's like you know it's a quantity over quality approach because >> a scouting report Joe but had [laughter] his whole like would you feel me?
>> Yeah. But I mean that that is a very like logical and reasonable way to go through it. It's like, hey, take 20 minutes, put all these people on podcast, sit there, observe them, come up with your thoughts and observations about who's good and who's not, and then that will aid you in putting together the panel eventually. I don't know. I just we don't do that. I would I would way rather just put a bunch of random people together, do the content. If it sucks, let the community talk about that. If it's good, maybe one of the people's good, one of the people suck, you kind of like bring them in from there or whatever. Like I've always kind of allowed the audience to just be part of it and to like basically >> evaluate talent as I am. But the problem with that sometimes is that it's so easy for people to just basically like get into the position and then it's awkward to remove them from that position because you just tried them out on like an established show and they have nothing else going on.
>> Well, yeah. [laughter] Yeah. And it's really it's really difficult to distinguish like the love from this fan base or if they're just like laughing at you. It's really it's a very thin line. Like are they rocking with you or are they just rocking with you so they can see you destroy yourself?
>> I I was just getting talked bad about for everything. Just every I I just come in here and take a sip of water. This guy what is he what's he thinking thirsty? So now it's >> now you've been around long enough that it seems like there is more empathy coming from the audience cuz even when they don't feel like you're doing great, they still feel like they know you. But that initial period of your first couple pods where they don't know you, it's like so unbelievably hard to break through that.
>> When I seen them do the competition, I hate competitions. Even though Noer is a great man, I'm like I could never do a competition cuz I you got to get outside your body to >> impress him up. thrive in I don't give a what you think he thinks it's not even it's just about the moment and what the we doing you know >> and and that's the problem with doing those host competitions is that even though they have been kind of fruitful for us it's it's also someone who's established which granted he's like pretty established to have been doing that is usually like not going to really want to put themselves in a position where they have to like compete against a bunch of other people who realistically don't have [ __ ] going on >> [ __ ] slapping your titty that's not on your level >> yeah Well, that happened a few months.
[laughter] >> But the most the the the the craziest thing I ever seen Doughboy do, he took his shirt off >> and he did a cartwheel and he got titty in his mouth. [laughter] >> That was he motorboat himself.
>> He just did a cartwheel. [laughter] >> Have you ever ran with your shirt off?
>> I have. Because like I remember in high school that there was a girl, I don't know if this was like folklore or not, but like the word was when I was like 13 and this girl had like way bigger boobs than any other girl my age, but the word was that before she got a bra, she was running on the track and one of her boobs went up and gave her a black eye.
>> That's beautiful.
>> And I don't know if that is a real thing or not, but it was repeated so many times around the school that it might as well have been true. When you when you fat like that, when you fat like that, [laughter] when you fat like that and you run, the [ __ ] hurts cuz it's like it's it's it's like going up and down.
So, it's not That's why that's why fat people don't run cuz that's the tissue.
Yeah. You can hurt yourself.
>> I got a question for you cuz I've watched your [ __ ] for years, right? What was the moment you decided to go from like the BMX [ __ ] the biking [ __ ] to this? Like what made you do that? Um, so around like 2014, 2015, I was starting to sense that running a BMX blog was really just not going to be the thing going forward because I knew that like blogs were becoming way less uh important. Whereas like when I had started it in 2006, it was like everything. Like even in hip-hop, blogs were everything for like a significant period of time. And then also BMX itself was like declining in popularity. you know, I would be checking the the search results for BMX on Google Trends and [ __ ] like that and realizing like, oh, this [ __ ] is like waning in popularity significantly. And then meanwhile, at the same time, coincidentally, I'm in downtown LA and I'm going to these underground rap shows and I'm just loving the energy. And it's like completely different than the rap that the the culture surrounding rap that I grew up around. You know, a lot of times you go to these shows and like the audience is like way more white kids.
everybody's, you know, weird hipster type dudes and [ __ ] like that, but like they're so passionate about this music.
And so that's kind of how I managed to slip into it, which when I think about it, like when I started the BMX website in 2006, I should have started a hip-hop blog at the same time cuz I had plenty of [ __ ] to say about it. But I felt at that time that like you don't really get to talk about hip-hop unless you you've got some stripes, you know, like you have to have like earned that position, which sounds insane now because now you just started a YouTube channel. like what the if all of our favorite rap YouTubers >> did not have any kind of credentials going into it, right?
>> They just want they just had [ __ ] to say. And so I wish that I had gotten on it earlier. But yeah, that was kind of how I transitioned over. And then like within the first year of doing interviews, I interview XXX, like one of the biggest interviews of all time. And so that just kind of launched me onto this trajectory where all of a sudden like riding bikes, which I had already kind of grew disillusioned with, just didn't really feel like the thing to me anymore.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that was dope. That pivot is [clears throat] dope cuz every artist has that's relevant has had to pivot so many I know I pivot at least five or six times. So that's always uncomfortable.
You know what I mean? Cuz you got to look at you like what the am I doing wrong? How do I >> Yeah.
>> There's just so much to learn too cuz in the BMX world it was like simple. I knew everything. I knew every person. I knew every pro. And then all of a sudden I'm in the music business and people are talking to me about like you know publishing. I'm like got to like go home and look up publishing and like try to figure out what that is.
>> You got to make the digital pivot. Yeah, [laughter] real talk. Um, wait. So, okay, let's let's get a little bit of the Craig backstory and lore. Tell us a little bit about your your upbringing and everything. I want I want to get the the gist cuz I kept trying to find like I found a lot of podcasts that you were on, but most of them were like you just talking about random [ __ ] I wasn't talking about your your lore.
>> Oh, indeed. It's all good. So, yeah, man. I'm from Pasadena, California.
>> Oh, nice.
>> Not too far from here. Yeah. All day long, you know. Shout out to Dena. Dena Love. But, yeah. And so me, man, I started off as just a rapper >> in I graduated high school in 2000. I'm an old dude. I'm 44 and [ __ ] So I was just trying to rap for years. A failed rapper and [ __ ] Just putting out music and [ __ ] Going all the underground [ __ ] Trying to get my [ __ ] on dub CNN radio. Come on. [laughter] Doing all the doing.
>> And you were you were Craig Smith as a rapper. Are you a rap?
>> No. So I've been a couple different things as a rapper. At first I was formatting I was on my underground hip-hop [ __ ] >> Okay. And then I changed it to Chill Withers.
>> You know what I mean? So Chill Withers is what it is now. That's probably what it what will what it will remain. And >> So you're still open to rapping?
>> Yeah, I put out albums all the time.
>> Oh, [ __ ] Whenever on Spotify, >> whenever I put out a standup uh when like I do standup and rap simultaneously. So if I do an album, I write a standup special to match the album.
>> Oh, nice.
>> Yeah. So yeah. So Chill Withers and um cuz I'm a big fan of Bill Withers. He was like a really uh he was a lyricist, like a conscious singer. And we have a lot of parallels and [ __ ] like that.
>> Ain't no sunshine.
>> Yeah. All that dope [ __ ] right?
>> But he also was a guy that refused to quit his job. So he was a multiplatinum artist and he was still working at Boeing as an airplane mechanic >> because he was scared to put his financial future in the hands of somebody else.
>> Okay.
>> So they had to convince him beg him to quit his job. And my parallel is similar. You know, I own trucks and [ __ ] Uh, you know, I worked in transportation for years and I always kept a gig because I'm scared of entertainment being like just the only way I get bred because it's so up and down. So, I I related to that parallel and you know, I start calling myself Chill Withers.
>> When did you like decide? Well, so you always kind of just kept regular jobs or business type [ __ ] going on.
>> Yeah, I always keep a few hustles. I mean, I was, you know, you know, I was raised in the crack era, the gang bang era. So, I grew up around people selling crack and dope and [ __ ] like that. And I tried that [ __ ] when I was really young and that wasn't for me. But what I did take away from that is you always got to have multiple hustles. So I'm always somebody that has a few things going on.
I'm never just on one thing.
>> Was it Dena hella different back then?
>> Yeah, it's changed because you know Dena, you know, where I'm from, the biggest blood gang in LA County.
>> Um PDL, you know, I'm not I don't gang bang, but my entire family is that. Um we had injunctions and [ __ ] Rico Axe put on uh you know >> that were big hits from >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, big hit. Yeah. I know, [clears throat] you know, his family and my family.
>> What What made you able to avoid the gang [ __ ] This got to be pretty tempting, right?
>> Yeah. I mean, you know, I was a hooper.
I played basketball as a kid. I was a I was a blessed athlete, you know what I mean? And I never was a follower. And my my dad, shout out to my pop Smitty. He's a gangster, but he's he's above that Crippen Blood era. He's like a late60s, early '7s gangster. So, all the dudes where I'm from respected him. Okay.
>> And then with my me having cousins and [ __ ] from there, I never really felt the peer pressure. M >> you know what I mean? So I just always did my own thing. I always been like a a a rogue guy.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So >> that's what's up.
>> And I think gang banging is corny. I'm be honest.
>> Really?
>> What about it?
>> Well, the the there's so many different layers, right? Um not the [ __ ] that gang bang, >> but the whole lifestyle is not what it was. At first it was family and culture.
Now it's just a bunch of mentally ill [ __ ] trying to prove who's sicker. M >> cuz I've been thinking a lot about that cuz uh my daughter is 5 and a half and she you know she she's talked to Cripmack on FaceTime. She's talked to Brick Baby. She's she knows who Whack is and all this [ __ ] and she knows that they have phony nicknames and [ __ ] like that. She knows that Cripmac has a big five on his face, but she doesn't obviously know like what a gang is. And I've thought about like how at some point I'm gonna have to explain that to her. And there's so many different ways that you could go with it because you could give her the kind of nice clean version and be like, "Oh, they're just all from different neighborhoods." So like a different neighborhood has like a different name. Yeah.
>> And it's just all the dudes from over there. That's what they call themselves.
And then just not mention that like Well, so they also shoot the other guys over there in their murderous version.
>> I don't know. But like am I doing her a disservice by giving her the cleaned up version right there? Like because obviously like most parents would just warn their kid like this is terrible like stay away from it. But I can't really like say that because I got to explain why I'm hanging out with these cooworkers.
>> I mean the cold part is if you don't show them even if she's not facetiming with Craig Mac, she's going to see Blueface on the internet regardless at a certain point and then the conversation is going to need to recur. So >> they say Craig is from Pasadena Denver lanes. Don't let him lie to you.
[laughter] >> Let me ask you let me ask you this, Adam. With all the things that have happened over [clears throat] the last couple months and really like over the last couple years with all the the gang stuff here, are you at all starting to get gang banging fatigue? Like has this been like this is just a lot? [laughter] Is it getting into that space for you? I will say that like I'm getting well I think I I was this before like in terms of just cautious about like who I put in the same room but after recent events in particular I'm really feeling that fatigue of like god damn I really like can't just put together because like >> you have some real killers up here dog he called me late night like you I need you to understand some of these [ __ ] up here are really [laughter] I ain't going to say no names I understand the politics A and your man's just coming over here calling out.
>> It's like having [laughter] Carl Winslow come up here, dog.
>> Well, we did we just had two of the killers leave. [laughter] >> But but more importantly though, like, okay, Anne Hefe gets a murder charge. We replace him with a guy who just did 10 years for murder, >> right?
So, I mean, yeah, as much as we might like kind of think that there's some value in like kind of getting away from the killers, it's like it just seems like we can't can't escape.
>> And that don't mean you're not a good person. That that like I don't want to take that. Yeah. Because I'm the killers.
>> Yeah. That's hilarious. [laughter] >> I'm not putting no indictment on gang members cuz I understand the culture and at some point in your life, right, if you grow up in certain environments, you literally have to do that to survive.
>> Yeah.
>> You get what I'm saying? So that like I I got love for all gang members, but you know with co-intel pro and all this FBI intelligence, there's no way you can be a street [ __ ] and and and not expect to go to jail or have to murder somebody, you know, or not be told on. So why would I do that? Why would I choose something where I know there's no win in the end?
>> Why would I continue to do that as a grown ass man?
>> Oh, totally. Yeah. And that and that's why it's actually kind of like nice of the gang community that they have a a pretty hard and fast rule which is basically like >> you can't join a gang when you're older or you you can but you will be ridiculed for it. They expect it. They expect you to make the decision about what hood you're going to come from when you're a teenager. And if you do it when you're even like in your mid20s, when your frontal lobe is fully developed, they're going to hate on you for it. Which is kind of kind of telling that this is a decision that needs to be made when you're in your infancy as a man.
>> Right. That's the only way I join [clears throat] a gang is if they have a nurse and life insurance. You know what I mean? Then I'm covered. If I get hurt or [laughter] if I die, my family is good. You know what I mean? I don't know. I think I think that's kind of [laughter] >> I think that that's kind of crazy too.
Like you know how you say that like you know you get ridiculed if you make the decision as >> if you you get ridiculed if you make the decision as an adult that somebody can make that but it's almost like you're championed if you make it as a child.
That almost comes off as a little predatory to me. Like I want to I want to make I want to talk to an impressionable child and you'll get stripes and I'll appreciate you more if you make this decision as a child. But if you do it as a grown man and somebody knows how to make a decision, nah, we ain't we ain't messing with you. Use a weenie. Like that's just kind of crazy to me.
>> Even the fade thing as I get older, I love fighting and [ __ ] but as I get older, like just cuz you challenged me to a fade don't mean I got to fight you broke, [ __ ] Do I want to fight [laughter] a broke [ __ ] for, man? Why would I fight anybody that's doing worse in life than me? It don't make no sense for you to challenge me to a fade, [ __ ] Do your taxes. Uh, get your own apartment. You know what I mean? Do something solid and then I'll think about fighting you. But for me to step off what I'm trying to accomplish and fight you is just weirdo [ __ ] man.
>> Yeah. Cuz at a certain point, even if you accomplish a lot with your life, if you are summoned for a DP, the the whole idea is that you're going to get the [ __ ] beat out of you by some dudes that realistically probably have almost nothing going on.
>> The millionaire from the hood is not the one beating the out of you, you know?
>> Yeah. It's some wild [ __ ] man.
Hopefully it changes, man.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, call it what you want, but there's no denying like Doughboy pointed out the predatory aspect like like we've never seen gang members roll up to high schools looking for like the next like generation of like they literally been >> my bad middle school. You feel me?
Middle school. So, okay, I want to discuss this clip that has kind of been going viral and not in our world at all, but basically like, okay, so this is an interview clip that I did with a rapper named Dream Life Rzzy from the Bay. And this the caption is one of the most prolific criminals in all of San Francisco tells Adam22 that crime in San Francisco is over with because of flock cameras and drones. He complains that he can't even do drivebys anymore.
>> Oh, that's hilarious.
>> It's simple. When the risk of getting caught is too high, crime plummets. So, let's just watch the clip real quick.
>> That [ __ ] over, brother.
>> Oh, my mama. [ __ ] they got >> drones.
They're soon as you slide past that [ __ ] with some stolen plates, they going to issue a warning to every SFPD station in that area, if not the entire city, right? And they going to start dispatching to that area. And when they catch you, they going to catch you >> and and then they going to put the drone on you. They not going to follow you with no PD car from hella far. They don't got to do that. No unmarked vehicles. They going to set a drone on you. Listen, they going to set a drone on you that's about few thousand ft up and it's just going to trail you the whole time. And then when you hit a corner or something, they going to box your ass in open.
>> So you're saying that like with all that license plate technology that the classic move of like stealing a car and then spinning on your ops and then ditching the car that that just is not what it used to be.
>> N you can't do that [ __ ] no more.
Really? Ah, it's a Yeah.
>> So, basically, this is being like weaponized, if you will, by the the tech billionaire community cuz this guy Paul Graham is I mean, he has 3 million followers. I forget his exact resume, but I'm pretty sure he's like a VC or whatever. He's like a huge deal in the the Silicon Valley tech world. And he quotes it and says, "Wow, this is the way you want criminals to be talking about your anti-rime tech." And basically like this is such a random clip from from at least over a year ago.
And it's pretty hilarious to see the tech community coming forward to say, "Hey, all of this mass surveillance technology that a lot of people think is bad. Look at how this criminal is saying that basically doing a driveby is now defunct because of this technology."
like it's a total billboard for the products and the services that they are offering >> that this guy has no vested interest in the successor.
>> I don't know that but that would be pretty [ __ ] I mean yeah I don't know >> this is the way you want them to >> the fact that he complained that he can't do a driveby anymore is hilarious.
I can't shoot out of a moving vehicle >> which by the way he didn't do like the whole time he was just talking about riding around in stolen whips. Then Adam asked him about, "Oh, so you can't even [laughter] like jump in a stool and do a skit anymore." And he's like, "No."
>> Oh my god, look at this. Yes, Paul Graham is an investor in flock safety, the manufacturer of the automated license plate readers and AI powered surveillance cameras used by law enforcement and communities. I mean, hey, you can't hate on him for big up his investment, but that's pretty hilarious that he co-owns this.
>> Yeah, exactly. Flock safety.
>> Yes, right. [laughter] God, I >> I need a flock safety shirt.
>> That's all his merch.
>> And the fact that the person who posted this called him one of the most prolific criminals in all of San Francisco. I don't know if Dream Life Rzzy has necessarily risen to that. I mean, >> well, yeah, that's ambitious in a city that was literally based on criminality built on the gold rush. Like making a lot of presump >> Chinese slavery. [laughter] >> They got a pretty dark.
>> But [ __ ] have figured out a way, Adam.
>> Yeah.
>> [ __ ] that have robots committing crimes. They have robot gangs, robot pro. We're going to figure out a way to hustle. Nothing's going to stop us.
>> I've never had a clip of mine of a rapper talking about crime be used in such a way. Like I'm really kind of flabbergasted by the fact that this is uh yeah, he was one of the original investors in Y Combinator. Like that dude is a big deal. Him using this clip to basically say that his product is awesome is so funny to me. [laughter] >> Wow. I don't know.
>> You got to do a deal with him, man.
>> Yeah, I got to tap in with I got I got way more criminals that I can >> but he seems like he's in the Elon Musk like like archetype of just straight Batman villain.
>> He's not like a regular guy.
>> I mean, is he evil? I don't know.
>> It seems like there's some nefarious activities.
>> He's justifying mass surveillance in favor of like people being safer, which I don't really think that's like inherently evil. No, >> that's how they do it though. That's how propaganda works. It's always a catastrophic event to make you >> change. But that's the reality is that mass surveillance will make us safer.
Like it or not. It's just like I I don't know how you could deny that, right?
Like, okay, cuz I I was I was suggesting this to my girl the other day is like >> if there's cameras everywhere and let's say like 10 years from now there's way more cameras. Is it like immoral or unethical for those cameras to be able to just basically like identify bad behavior as a driver and then you just get tickets in the mail or you get your license taken away cuz like we're all used to the idea that like if you're breaking the law you have to get caught or otherwise like you know you have basically like you can break the law you just have to be smart about getting away with it. Is there a future? I think there probably is a future in which like every bad thing that you do will be assessed like at least in public outside of your home.
>> It sucks for people from our world where it's like yeah I can I can do coke right on the side of the street. I just have to like make sure there's no cops looking, you know, and like we've always gotten by on that, right? I think it could be a double-edged sword though because even though it might stop a lot of the crime and stuff, then it also makes us give up a lot of our privacy and you know this government like you know how they can be like they can try to invade on your privacy for as much as they want for their own personal gain.
So it might not just be a crime stopping thing. It could be you're losing your privacy. They know a lot about you and they can you in the end anyway.
>> Here's the problem, right? I'm reading this book called 50 philosophical classics >> and there's a chapter with a guy who his whole philosophy is on simulation and he talks about the hyperreal verse the real right >> what's real is this conversation we're having in the room >> the cameras on us and them observing us having this conversation at home that's the hyperreal but in the hyperreal or the hyper reality there's so many different nuances that they're missing out on in this conversation that they could base their entire lives on something that we say in the real through the hyperreal but have a completely misguided misconception of what the we're talking about because they don't understand all the nuances happening in the room. They don't understand Adam for real. They just know what they see on camera. So that's that could be a mistake. If we're dealing if we're if we're allowing these to just do these security cameras and that's all hyper real. There could be a lot of people who who are putting up situations because maybe the camera's not reading it right. They may think this water gun is a real gun. They may think this cap gun is a real gun. They may think these dudes play fighting are really You get what I'm saying?
>> But as the technology evolves eventually, like all that stuff will probably get worked out. Like I don't >> What does that entail though? Like because because I could literally walk by you and you could, let's say the camera doesn't catch it, but you could just get real close to me and just stab me, right? M >> and I'm literally leaking blood and then I attack you afterwards and I'm the one that gets in trouble >> like hypothetically because the camera camera sees all camera determines all.
He ain't stabbing. There's no evidence of him stabbing him on camera. or like have you heard about >> I know that's like a absurd like the future of crime is a gunshot goes off and a drone is immediately deployed without any kind of human intervention to where the gunshot went off and then the drone identifies the person running away from the scene or the car that shot that is taking off or whatever and it just tracks that and then at some point like let's just like isolate this discussion down to this one thing this one shooting idea and then a drone following you. What if it gets to the point where >> no sane person would ever shoot somebody because it is so assumed that the drone is going to be effectively able to track you.
>> I feel like that is that would be a good thing.
>> That is a likely scenario going forward.
And that like it already feels like, you know, if you compare today to the '7s that you really like getting into crime or like being a shooter is just like an absurd idea as opposed to like just because like if you wanted to be like when you watch documentaries about serial killer in the 70s, you're you're like >> it was this easy. Like I could have done this times 100 m [ __ ] >> Yeah. And now it's like, you know, like you you you want to shoot somebody like, you know, there's been like when the homeless guy was sleeping outside of my house and I was thinking about >> doing something to him. Like there's cameras everywhere in my neighborhood.
Like I would never have been able to consider really doing anything that crazy. like the the logical snafu with like what you described of basically like uh patriot missiles using precognition like at a certain point it's going to be like it's going to preemptively attack us because it thinks we're going to attack >> but it's not going to attack it's going to track you.
>> Yeah. But that certain but where does that end essentially because >> I don't think they're ever going to let the drones just kill people because we think that they might have shot somebody. Why would that ever be okay?
just recently passed some autonomous uh >> driving and technology initiatives recently where you know like in trucking all the trucking all the trucks are going to be self-driving trucks that's going to that's going to go over to the drone thing >> you know because right now they have to pay people to control the drones but they don't want to do that they going to upload software where they just do what the [ __ ] they want to do so automation is a good and a bad thing because once you take [ __ ] out human error is beautiful the fact that you can commit a crime now and a cop might catch you or might not catch you is a beautiful thing. Like I don't know if we want to get rid of that room for error cuz that kind of makes us who we are.
>> We don't because we all engage at least in some criminality or actually when you really think about it like poor people live much of their lives outside on the street. Rich people don't.
>> Poverty is criminalized.
>> Everybody does drugs but poor people sometimes have to do drugs on the street and rich people get to do it in their home where there is no surveillance.
>> Yeah. And they often times do way more deviant things and get away with it.
>> Exactly.
>> For for for better or for worse. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Man, it'll be cool for a while.
You know what I'm saying? Till you walk in on your girl [ __ ] a robot. You're like, "Hold on, man. Technology.
[laughter] [ __ ] technology.
>> Why?
>> Why is this Tesla robot my girl?" You know what I mean?
>> But really, what's the difference between the robot and a dildo? The robot is just a way better dildo.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Do I get to [ __ ] a female robot?
>> Sure. [laughter] But do you think female [ __ ] I mean robot [ __ ] would be as good?
>> No, but maybe in >> I'm willing to try. Okay.
>> Like think about like the amount of technology that we're dealing with. Like >> it's it's scary.
>> Look at trans women of the '90s compared to now. Like in 30 years >> they have Yeah. 20 years ago I wanted [laughter] nothing to do with them.
Nowadays I'm all of them.
>> Right. Right.
>> Not a career in the world. No.
[laughter] Okay. I have you guys done the the virtual reality [ __ ] No, I haven't.
>> I I really have to do it just so I could talk about it on here. But like I uh I had a friend who was at it was in in his house and he didn't realize that like one of his friends was like in the house walking around like that they were awake. He thought they were asleep or whatever. So he didn't even like close his door, lock his door or anything. And he puts on the VR headset and he's, you know, hooking up with the woman in the VR headset. And his friend walks into the room and just sees him with the VR headset going. [laughter] He's eating [ __ ] in the metaverse and his homie walks in on him and I'm like, "Holy, that sounds like the most embarrassing thing [laughter] ever think of." But >> this guy swears by it. He's like, "It's so much better than just jerking off."
>> I got to try it out. [laughter] >> That would have been [ __ ] >> All I got now is different gloves and [ __ ] Different texture gloves to jerk off. [laughter] But if I get the VR [ __ ] might be >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Because what is it about a [ __ ] that feels so good to it? Like you know at some point there will be moisturizing technology. There'll be warmth technology. There'll be so many different things that like obviously part of the appeal of having sex with a human vagina is the fact that this woman consented to it. But at some point they're going to be able to like I remember the first time I grabbed a boob on a sex doll.
>> Yeah.
>> It felt exactly >> Did you suck it? I didn't suck it because I was at a porn convention and probably a lot of other people [laughter] have been talking, >> but it felt so real that I felt like I immediately kind of saw the future like, >> yeah, like at some point that's going to be it might not ever be good enough for me, but it'll definitely be good enough for a lot of people. For certain people, >> I used to have a flashlight back in the day. It was fire. I smashed it several times. The flashlight's like a flashlight, but you take it off.
>> We got another one right here for Yeah, >> I do. [laughter] >> I'm surprised there hasn't been a pimp that that's what he does on the host. He rents out sex toys. [laughter] >> Great.
>> Entrepreneurial.
>> Open up a little hotel down by Fig, >> right?
>> And I No women, please do not try to bring a prostitute here, but I have a whole selection of sex toys >> that you can use for >> $15 an hour. It's a >> you better watch if this is all about coming. That's why I don't understand why dudes go to prison and start raping other men.
>> It's like I feel like >> that's cuz they were raped. That's the jerk off how [laughter] it happens.
>> Just make a make a cool technological experiment, you know? Like just come up with something like anything besides just a dude's butt.
>> Do you see the [laughter] like the intricacy of the thiefs they create?
Like they go in. Why I had a sex toy idea is is called the jog. It's a jack off glove.
[laughter] >> Okay.
>> Yeah. Instead of arguing with your girl, just have a jog.
>> Have a jog.
>> I ain't put it out yet, Adam. But if you want to help me [laughter] >> right now, it's just a pack of socks and you just It's a jog.
>> I want it to look >> something like that.
>> I think I had one when I was a kid.
Remember this?
>> Wow. You used [laughter] to beat off with the Nintendo head. That's some power love, dude.
I >> I couldn't afford that when I was when I wanted it bad.
>> I didn't even know that [ __ ] existed.
>> I don't even know what I would have done, >> by the way. It did absolutely nothing.
It's one of the most useless.
>> Oh, you had one?
>> I mean, I played with one. I think one of like >> You couldn't like punch in the game.
>> It was supposed to work with Mike Tyson's Punch Out, I think. But like if you notice it actually has a controller on it which is inevitably >> I mean I think the first like home console video game I ever played in my entire life was Duck Hunt which if you really think about that technology of being able to point the gun at the screen and have it actually register kind of impressive >> getting a beep from the computer.
Nathan, >> remember the running pad?
>> Yeah, the power pad.
>> Yeah.
>> The only way to play 3D World Runner.
>> Oh my god.
>> Is that the one where you can do the track and field [ __ ] when you can run on it and [ __ ] >> There's track and field as well. That's weird they were able to invent that so early on.
>> Well, you know, they say all technology is military first and it comes out like 20 or 30 years before in the military.
So, >> military and then [laughter] >> military.
>> Well, like no, but for real, like they'll use technology to basically kill people, right?
>> And then at some point they'll use technology to distribute >> and then it'll like trickle down to everything else.
>> That makes sense from a CIA perspective because you want to see what the people are up to. Everybody's going to watch people Well, really just like that's the prime like the internet. Like when the internet came out, people were like putting on the internet pretty much like immediately. Like a lot of people that was their first use case for it, right?
>> And although none of us even like gatekeeping, it is good to monitor people that are doing extra [clears throat] nefarious weird [ __ ] right? So >> yeah, >> I mean the weirder search, the more likely this is somebody we need to pay attention to. [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> Look into this.
>> That makes real sense. I'm going to research that. Yeah, >> there's definitely like an overlap on the van diagram there for sure.
>> I mean, like the dark web probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for people trying to look at illegal illicit [ __ ] on the internet, you know? Like that technology exists because there's people that want to look at things that are so illegal that it would be really, really, really hard for somebody to like maintain a website with that kind of content.
>> So, I was the dark web was for Africans.
I didn't even [laughter] >> you get your black ass running on the computer, mother. Rubbing his phone.
>> Funny you should say that. [laughter] >> Hey, I wanted to get your opinion on this, Craig. This is something that that came up here on the podcast a couple weeks ago, but I know your your stance on blackness and everything. So, I want to see what what your take on this is.
>> All right. So, >> I got a fight coming up on August 29th cuz Spyface called me a [ __ ] >> Jiga woo. Are you still talking about this like present tense or >> Oh, no. We're fighting.
>> Oh, okay.
>> It's happening.
>> So, he might have to beat up two people in the same night.
>> Yeah. Yeah, he might have to. So, >> we got into it. We got into it cuz he called me Uncle Tom in the J word because I said that I didn't have a problem with white comedians dressing up in blackface because us as black comedians do it. And under the comedy license of being creative, that shouldn't be a problem. What say you on the matter?
>> Okay. I got love for you. He was correcting.
>> He just asked. [laughter] >> You would have called me the J word, too.
>> I wouldn't have called you a jiggle cuz I understand you're trying to you're trying to, you know, >> you're trying to be fair, >> right?
>> But unfortunately, there is no fairness in this country when it comes to black and white. You know what I'm saying? Now, at our level, it's some fairness. You work hard, you can get [ __ ] done, but there are some institutional, you know, racist things that happen that where certain thing certain things shouldn't be viewed as equal. And with the whole history of blackface, see the history of blackface, I don't know if you know, but >> there was a time where we were slaves.
>> I know that >> there was a time [laughter] there was a time when white comedians from New York >> would go to the south because they had comedians that were slaves and they would go to the south and watch these comedians do shows for, you know, their communities and they would steal their acts and go back to Broadway and put blackface on and do the exact same my bad. the exact same comedy acts they seen these slaves do in the south. They would go back to New York and they would do it on Broadway and they would steal their they would steal their jokes, steal their whole act and they would put on blackface so they could be more convincing to the white audience that this is what these nwords do [ __ ] do down here down south.
>> But but is there any expiration date on when we're just going to be like, "Okay, that was offensive then. That was terrible back then. It really probably hurt a lot of people." Is there any point that we could just let this [ __ ] go? Because >> I ain't never letting that [ __ ] go. But see, but see, but this but what do you but what do you say about this then?
What do you say about the white people who say that when black people dress up in whiteface and make fun of white people that's racist to them too? We just feel like we can't tell you that that's racist.
>> Black people, non-whites can't be racist in this country because we don't control the power dynamic. See, racism is about is is it's the ability to institutionally cor uh control your opportunities in life. We don't have that power. Racism goes one way. It's a lifestyle dictation where the superior financially and resource-wise is able to dictate to the lesser financially, not lesser in humanity, but lesser in resources, connections, what the you should be doing, how much minimum wage is, how much you going to pay for a pair of jeans, what what's going to put you in jail if you get into it with your [ __ ] How much time you going to do if you go to jail? They have studies where they show white guys convicted of the same same exact crimes as blacks and Hispanics and they get three or four years for a crime and the Mexican or black dude gets 15 years. So this is what racism is. This is why I you know me as a you know as a black man in this country. I don't give a about the the equality conversation when it comes to well white people should be able to do it cuz black people not that [ __ ] You got a head start on a whole lot of [ __ ] You know what I'm saying? So you going to have to give me that one. We you just going to have to give me that one.
That's is what it's going to be.
>> And we going to have to be able to do it and they can't.
>> The thing is the sensitivity part of it as men of any race. If I can do it and you do it, I can't get sensitive about it. I can't call the fade with you cuz you're a white dude and blackface. I don't with the [ __ ] and I'm not cool with it. Get that [ __ ] away from me. But I'm not going to do nothing physically to you. I'm not going to think ill of your family. I'm going just keep away from you.
>> You just you just won't like it. But you ain't going to have don't like it if it gets physical where somebody, you know, burn a cross in my yard or some [ __ ] >> Well, it could be considered an act of aggression just because of like the pain that comes with that and all that. So, just you being a level-headed person, you might not respond like that, but someone else might see that same thing.
>> Somebody might whoop you. I'm for all forms of equality. I grew up in an era where we just assume white boys couldn't fight growing up. [laughter] If you lost a fight to a white boy, >> proof that's not true, >> right? But what I'm saying is we know that's not true. We know that's not true. But we just assume that that's something that can get you killed. You be a black dude from Compton and you move to somewhere in the Bay or somewhere in Modesto where it's these crazy ass white boys and you think you could just run up on them. You could get your ass beat to death.
>> Not by the corn [ __ ] >> Just regular white boys that don't play no games.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> But see, in our culture, we got this misconception that all the n all the people that don't play got to be gangsters.
>> No. Like these gang banging [ __ ] they got cousins like me that whoop on them.
>> They got regular family that go to work that ain't with the [ __ ] that say, "Nigga, you can't borrow no more money.
Get the out of here." And then they go out and rob you. Okay. But when we're talking about like what's offensive, it's like, yes, a white guy painting his face black and a black guy painting his face white or like literally equal. The difference is is that a huge percentage of Americans are offended as black people when they see a white person paint their face black. And meanwhile, what percentage of white people were offended by uh Duski painting his face and pretending to be Eric Kurt? I don't think almost anyone was offended. They did find it hypocritical, which okay, that's a fair opinion. But I don't think like, you know, let's be real, like there's a reason why the n-word is the most loaded, powerful word in the English language. And then meanwhile, I can say cracker on this podcast and not worry about getting demonetized. I can say cracker, you know, you guys can say cracker aggressively to a bunch of white people and nobody's going to take offense to it because like these things literally are just nothing without the greater societal context of who's offended by them. I do in some way think that like at some point the world will get to a point where a white person will one day just like do blackface in some sort of comedic thing and like somehow it'll be accepted more than we could ever expect right now.
>> The line will pull it off. Yeah, but like I was talking about this with Michael Blackton the other day and neither of us could think of a person.
He suggested Will Ferrell. I'm like Will Ferrell is not >> He would never.
>> He's not ready to be commuic.
[laughter] >> Well, white comedians try to do do this [ __ ] all the time.
>> They do.
>> Like you get these Rocky B boy white comedians tough. Hey, I don't give a I'll say it. Like you get these and they try to do it all the time. But what makes it stupid is like the context is never right. Like the white dudes that want to do this are never the white dudes that with black people for real.
It's always the white dude that was raised somewhere where the town is 99.9% white. They've never really had any genuine experiences with anybody that wasn't white and it's all based in ignorance. So you know like in the hood we make exceptions for the white boys that grew up with us that gang bang that do what we do. You know what I mean?
They get away with a lot of [ __ ] You know what I mean? So >> or even just rapping taggings.
It's really a cultural thing. I think that's why so many people from my culture have a problem with the whole no jumper thing. It's just a culture thing.
Like they're not used to seeing like when I watched that video, it was mostly white guys in the room and it was getting on Doughboy. So that >> by the way, I think he thinks me and Josh are the same person. [laughter] >> I don't know who it was. Many people do.
>> But what I'm saying is that's what this is what this is where it talks. This is where the hyper reality part comes in that I said earlier cuz I'm on the other side looking. So I have no real understanding of what happens in here.
So I'm just seeing a dude that ain't black and a bunch of other dudes that ain't black talking crazy to black people.
>> You get what I'm saying?
>> You get what I'm saying? So it looks like Hold on. [laughter] This what the >> Let's go burn ACROSS AN ADAM [ __ ] [ __ ] Adam >> and IT HAPPENS TO BE YOUR HOMIE.
[laughter] >> YEAH. You know what I'm saying? So it's like and so it's like, you know, that's that's the that's the part that's why this [ __ ] is dangerous. Podcasting is dangerous. you know, everybody shouldn't have a mic because they don't understand like some of these is taking this [ __ ] super literal >> or also in inversely everybody shouldn't have ears because at one point is it on the is it on the interpreted is not just how people choose to interpret it is kind of on them to a certain degree. You can't fully blame us just because you're take like you said like a fragmented view of a out of context moment and then they're going to frame it however they choose to.
>> Indeed. And you you in that book I was telling you about they talk about the the whole reason Disneyland exist, right? And this is his phil one of his philosophies is the whole reason Disneyland is a thing >> cuz Walt Disney didn't like Jews.
>> Well, they wanted to be able to have something to point to other than the reality they want us to believe that would be fantasy. So, so anytime you didn't believe what they were saying, they could point to this like, "No, that's fantasy. This is real."
>> You get what I'm saying? And yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And and this kind of this goes back to the whole surveillance conversation. At a certain point, especially with the popularization of AI and all that, it's so difficult to distinguish what's real and what's not, even when it's shown right to us. And that's exactly what they want.
>> It's like it's confusion, mass confusion.
>> Pimps have a strategy when they're trying to turn out a girl, right? One of the there's there's like 39 rules to pimple, but one of the things they say is is uh is you got to keep a [ __ ] on a can't do mission.
>> What's [laughter] up, man? So, that means you keep her on the hamster wheel.
You give her something that she could never complete that she has to chase so she never has time to think about what you're doing because as soon as she is off that chase of what you want her to do, she's going to focus on you and try to destroy you.
>> That's us as citizens. The government has built everything. So, we're on the chase, >> right? Yeah, I I just read this extremely long New Yorker article about Andrew Tate and his whole like mission that he was doing, dude. And you know, he was actually very influenced by a lot of the the sort of classic pimps, like Pimp and Ken had a book that he basically would make all the dudes who are like his acolytes, uh, Hustler University, I think it was called, or whatever. He would make them all read this book by Pimp and Ken that basically explained to you how you break a woman down and bring her to the point where she's not going to, you know, stand up for herself or whatever. And it's super disgusting. Like the more I learn about pimping, the more I hate that.
>> I'm not going to lie. Like [clears throat] we when we would see homies with like the the iceberg slim or like the pimping, we would like make fun of them. We'd be like, "What the are you doing, bro?"
>> But because you had already consumed them and already knew these lessons.
>> No, because like >> you could learn a lot from the pimps [laughter] when I look at your last relationship. She was the pimp.
>> I've been on I'VE BEEN ON >> SHE WAS THE PIMP.
>> I'VE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF the game.
[laughter] I've been on both sides of the game.
>> A lot of dudes are getting pimped by women and don't even realize it.
>> Perfection.
>> Yeah, man.
>> He just looked at me.
>> No, we [laughter] all are. I didn't realize I think I think you're the highest form of man when you're okay with somebody else your girl.
>> Yeah. Thank you. Me and Diddy.
>> Yeah.
>> That don't mean that I would wait.
>> Yo, Craig, please explain. Please explain that. How is that the highest level?
>> Because because you have no uh how can I put this? So like in India they have these yogis and [ __ ] right and the highest form of these yogis are these thinkers are the dudes that are bums >> that sleep on the street. They have no ties to anything. No woman, no finance, you know what I mean? So the reason that's the highest form of man is because you're not you're not controlled by your desires to control people.
You're just letting [ __ ] happen how it happens. And if you're in that state, nobody can ever get to you. You know what I'm saying?
>> So allowing people to your [ __ ] is one STEP TOWARDS NIRVANA. [laughter] >> OKAY. Like if you are genuinely unbothered about the thing that like almost every dude would be like extremely upset slash terrified by. It does say something about you the same way that the guy who's happy, you know, eating barely anything and like sleeping on the street or whatever when you think about like a monk. I I understand how that is, you know, a thing. Like for me, it's purely capitalistic. It's purely like, oh, this is like profitable. Maybe we should do this for a few years. But I mean, I could understand. I mean, that that is the weird thing about it is I know couples like we are like that for content. I know couples that are like that all the time. Meaning the dude could be spending his Thursday night just a couple of random girls out on the town or whatever and his wife is totally cool with it, thinks it's hot. She's getting [ __ ] down by a variety of different guys throughout the day and they're they're a unit and they genuinely are either excited by it or are just like fine with it. And I don't understand really.
>> Cracker want a poly.
>> Yeah. I just don't that that to me is like a lot, you know?
>> Yeah. That's hard for me to imagine having that kind of communication.
>> When you think about it and you break it down, not saying that I'd be okay with somebody, you know, especially my wife.
I don't know. But you when you think about it though, it really is hypoc hypocritical by men because most men hypocritical by most men because most men would be like, I never let another man my woman that I'm a man. But those same dudes probably cheat on their chick, >> right?
>> Like you know what I'm saying? So you'll go out and be able to bang your chicks behind somebody's back and be dishonest about it, but then you'll be mad if your chick is honest and tells you.
>> I I agree with the honesty aspect of it, but there is like physiological differences between men and women cheating, right? Like clearly >> based on women can get pregnant.
>> Well, yeah, just based on our anatomy like like >> Well, I'm just saying just based on the fact of saying I would not be okay if other men slept with my woman, but I would be okay sleeping with other women.
That's just stupid to me.
>> What if it's forc forcibly? Well, that's not >> what if you make your girl lay in bed with you while you cheat on her. Is it [laughter] >> Stop crying, [ __ ] Take back. What?
What if you do it in a really nice way?
You You get her a whole little setup.
You got a little recliner. There's like [laughter] a little foot massager. You make her a Long Island iced tea, a little bowl of bon bons and pretzels.
[laughter] >> She's at gunpoint.
>> You do it in like a really really nice way cuz I think everybody's like used to thinking about this on some diddy [ __ ] where it's like some weird abusive [ __ ] There's got to be a way, right?
>> Yeah. Got it.
>> Some women like abuse. I know that's stupid to say, but like domestic violence is not always abuse cuz some [ __ ] like to fight.
>> Have you ever dealt with a woman that was very physical and like >> never never [laughter] I have no clue WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, >> but I have. It's very uncomfortable.
>> Where that's just like their down some dramatic has to happen in order for them to feel some [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> No, 100%. And then like with with her I think and it that's not the only one. I think I would say I probably the vast majority of like Latino women that I've been with got squables for sure. My last definitely was like the most prolific.
She could give Tyson to run for her money on angry day.
>> We can't normalize that. We need to take the sexy Latinas who are abusing their men and we need to deport them or at the very least imprison them.
>> For sure.
>> There's kind of like a hot element to it to the degree.
>> Yeah. Okay. That's why I'm saying that's why she's your pimp is because you liked her beating you until it got so extreme that you couldn't come into work for a week.
>> No, I like I definitely like the feistiness and the spiciness of >> I think you just like knowing that she likes you.
>> The passion. Well, yeah, there's probably an element of that as well.
Because that's the quickest way to know a [ __ ] don't with you no more is when she don't care. When she when she tripping on you.
>> But is that care or is that grooming?
>> No. I I mean >> she's trying to turn you into a [ __ ] >> I was definitely predatory.
>> I was once in a relationship where a chick put her hands on me a couple times, but in my mind I thought like I was okay with it because it was only in times where I got caught around. So I was just like, well, if I wouldn't have been out here on [ __ ] I probably wouldn't have got Do you know what I'm saying? Most women are horrible people, dog.
>> You know, most women are horrible fighters, which is why we let them get away with it. It's because if my girl punched me in the face as hard as she wants, realistically, it's probably not even going to leave a mark unless she like really connects with the eye socket or something, you know, like >> spit on you.
>> See? Well, but I could spit on her. It's not going to like damage her, you know?
It's it's really just all about just disrespecting them when you spit. Right.
>> Right. Right. Right.
>> Not that I would ever take part in that.
>> Depends on how bad her breath is. It could be >> better breath than Lugie [laughter] Lugie in your eye. Yeah, like a >> No, to be honest, I think though, like you kind of hit the nail on the head earlier, like a lot of people like that's their love language because that's how they were raised. They don't they weren't taught communication methods and things like that. So, >> physical physical touch >> and that and that's like an expression of love in their eyes. So for me, I think I have like me having that understanding, I was probably more tolerant than I should have been in certain instances.
>> Definitely. Yeah. [laughter] It really like suggested that you had no self-respect at a certain point. Like how does he just keep letting this happen and and then he's coming on the podcast and he's lying and telling stories about, oh, these Mexicans were fighting in the park and I tried to break [laughter] it up and one of them slugged me and [ __ ] and it's like we all are sitting there like, uh-huh. Yeah.
Okay. Hey, it wasn't the girl who's been beat the [ __ ] out of you for the last couple months. Okay.
>> No, once once I'm like making up excuses like battered housewives like, "Oh, like I was trying to clean up the dog [ __ ] and the pooper scooper fell out the sky and gave me a black eye.
>> I fell down a flight of stairs."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Literally like [laughter] I fell up a flight of stairs.
>> That's why I have a black eye. Wait, that doesn't even >> I've been in that situation so I can relate. It's very embarrassing. You don't want to tell people.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, also like you have a protective instinct, too. Beyond that, it's like, yo, like >> like it's damn near it's like you don't want to snitch on your crime, >> but I don't really see how I could be in a relationship with a woman who was really doing damage on me because before I get my ass beat by her, I'm going to beat her ass, right?
>> Like I would just like if if [clears throat] I was in a relationship with a woman and she punched me as hard as she could in the face, I can't help but think that like my animal instincts would just make me punch her pretty hard as like in the face as well. Like I feel like and then boom, the cops get called and I'm going to jail.
>> But add this add this caveat to it though. What if you got caught cheating?
So what if she catches you in the act of cheating?
>> This I kind of earned this like >> she wouldn't hit me.
She was getting mad over legit things.
Say like 90% of the time I was on [ __ ] >> It was I was You weren't cheating though.
>> No, it was a bit of a crash reaction or harsh reaction. She got super mad at the 20 v1. That didn't even happen just because you got you already broke.
Okay. Yeah, there's a >> we did a 20 versus one with an extremely famous Adriana Cetchic and he was on it and I don't know if some people know this but sometimes 20 versus ones can be rehearsed and and faked and you know Lush comes in and she's kind of hamming it up a little bit acting attracted to but really if we were to go watch your performance on that it's it's nothing.
We didn't really do [ __ ] The first thing I said is like, "Yo, I might have STDs. I smoke cigarettes and I'm an alcoholic." Like, I literally was trying to get eliminated. And then Adam thought it was funny, so he's like, "No, like make him like rap [laughter] freestyle about you."
>> So she attacked you over that.
>> Yeah. No, like literally, bro, I came home and the door was like the extra lock was on the door.
>> So like like to track, you know, like predatory tracking, surveying my movements. And then I as soon as I opened that door, bowside my head.
>> Oh wow.
>> Oh wow. You feel me?
>> And you didn't fight back. Did you ever fight back?
>> Kasamigos upside the cranium.
>> Did you really, >> bro? House of the homies. Thank you.
>> No. Did I look is is Okay. When you were talking about did that instinct kick in?
That instinct is like survival instinct.
Like stop hurting me once like the the threat is subdued. I wasn't like trying to get my get back on a 5 foot2 Guatemalan boy.
>> If the threat is actually genuinely subdued, but also like a lot of times the best way to make sure that you don't incur more damage would be to show them like, "Hey, I'm going to hit you back."
>> The the cold part is like she's been in other relationships that were abusive and I wasn't going to >> That's the problem is all these Mexicans are letting her do that [ __ ] >> I wasn't I wasn't trying to um perpetuate those patterns. And >> did you think about going and beating her after Wack exposed that she was his friend?
>> Why would like why would I give a about what first of all wasn't true? And why would I give a about what my [ __ ] does after we're not together no more?
>> Everybody gives that we all care.
>> Not really. Like sometimes you're like happy about it. You're like take [snorts] her off my hand. It's like I'll be the the the re I wouldn't have even given that any reaction. The reason why I did was more like whoa. I kind of I feel like what Brick Baby was going through. People are going to go to do whatever they can to try to attach themselves to this motion because I got a name. So, whatever you got to do, you feel me? So, I'm more like, damn. And I'm more looking at my [ __ ] like, oh, you stupid as you feel me? Like, to even allow this to happen, allow this conversation to exist because now somebody else is entering the chat that would have no business being there. Do I give a about someone on her? No. I hope she's happy. I wish her the most orgasms. We're not together anymore. I'm doing me. She could do her. You feel me?
>> I had an ex-girlfriend that I dated for 2 years when I was younger, when I was like 22 or whatever. And uh she would like try to upset me by hitting me up periodically cuz I like dumped her in a pretty dramatic way, like really hurt her feelings and like her up by leaving her. And she would hit me up anytime she did some [ __ ] [ __ ] and just tell me.
Like the first time that she let a guy her in the ass, she just like straight up text me, tells me all about it just to make me mad. And like even like I I remember after we've been broken up for like a month or two, she told me like, "So I've had sex with 23 guys since we broke up."
>> And she wasn't lying. I knew some of them. Some of them were guys I was like hanging out with at the bar and [ __ ] It was pretty awkward for me.
>> And she wasn't lying. That didn't piss you off.
>> No, it did. It made me [laughter] super mad. Like but I but also like I wanted to be free of her >> that I like she was telling me this stuff and then in the same breath would basically be like so if you're so mad about it, why don't you come over and me right now? But I was so determined to get out of the relationship that even though I I'm like I have a thing where the bigger a horse she is, the more turned on I am by it. So when she's trying to upset me by telling me that she 23 years in 2 months, I'm literally like reading the text message with a flobing boner. [laughter] Like, oh my god.
>> Is that weird?
>> She had big tits with either you're weird or I'm weird because like my last relationship, the last serious one, we broke up like a year ago, year and a half ago, whatever. Like I like would envision cuz I had heard cuz she was from Sacramento. I had heard that she was [ __ ] with somebody that I knew. And the thought of that [ __ ] was driving me just cuz I would not want to, but I would just envision her this dude and I'd be like I would be losing my >> see his ass in the vision. Wait, [laughter] but okay. If if I let's say she let's say she left me and [laughter] she tells me some [ __ ] like that or even if I just like knew about her a guy or two, I would have been hurt. I would have been sad. I would have been upset. But because I wanted to be free of the relationship so bad, I was actually kind of hyped because I'm like, listen, if you 23 guys since we were together, to me that really tells me that like you're putting a lot of space between this.
Like I'm I'm free. I had to do a lot to get over this.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we had different mind states.
>> No, but but boy, there's there's exes. I I have ex [ __ ] I wouldn't give a if they're getting blowbanged right now.
Like literally, I don't give a what. And then there's others I still like have a degree of affection for, but I still really wouldn't >> I feel like once you're out of that sequence and there's no reason to really give a yet my ex still is hopping in Instagram comments of random [ __ ] she thinks want to me and threatening them.
So, for some of that, over [ __ ] Like, I don't even know.
>> Clearly, she's at a level of derangement that nobody else can compare to.
>> She should be imprisoned and or deported.
>> Do you feel like Do you feel like it's really Do you feel like it's really over now?
>> Do I mean, do I feel like it's over now?
Like, we're not we're not together, but like that's the thing. That's been my friend for a long ass time. Like, through multiple relationships and [ __ ] Like, >> she's going to like always be in my life in some capacity. Like >> would you would you let public perception at all sway if you got like would you ever let that stop you like man [ __ ] don't look at me like I'm a weenie if I get back >> if I if I gave a about that I wouldn't have gotten with her to begin with >> got you feel me because she had out there and stuff >> just like both of us have a lot of baggage >> she banged like be real probably or >> like both of us have baggage you feel me like [laughter] just as long as it wasn't DJ Mug I almost said that I'm like DJ Mug's just not like recognizable So in my mind I pivoted to be right.
[laughter] >> Yeah. Imagine the cipher my Eskimo brothers would have like [laughter] >> you know what's crazy about that that you probably don't feel it this way but this is probably she's trying to destroy you.
>> But people don't look at it like that.
>> She's literally hitting up me and Josh and telling us like telling us that you're smoking fentanyl. tight.
>> She sent us videos of her going around the house and showing us like a bunch of like used up drug paraphernalia.
>> Like that's what she was doing.
>> She told me say it wasn't me.
>> She told me you guys used to go fishing at MacArthur Park.
>> Yeah, [laughter] exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Deep sea diving. Deep sea diving with like the icicles. [laughter] Carve the little circle. Not Germ actually is a great person. I just >> Oh god, bro.
>> No, she is. I think that [laughter] >> germ >> and yes, she has them.
>> I mean, free, >> but I think that I just uh did not bring out the the best in her and it was just a combustible relationship.
>> Delicate woman who will not beat you.
>> I definitely think that um the love language that I respond to is a little bit less violent.
>> That would be good. You know what I mean? Start.
>> I think that's like more conducive to my growth. But I also understand that like I'm very aggravating. So, you know, it is what it is. But I don't want to like perpetuate this negativity.
>> So, you understand that you're very aggravated?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, man.
>> Yeah. Cuz she's convinced him that >> she told you that.
>> My bad. I mean, for sure. She's convinced him he doesn't deserve any better than her.
>> You remember the field technique?
>> Huh?
>> The field technique. What's that?
>> So, it's it's psychological torture. A lot of [ __ ] use it, especially like pretty [ __ ] So, it's an acronym. P I L. The P is for uh what the does the P stands for? The P is for God damn it, I just had I went blank.
>> You want to look it up?
>> Punitive. [laughter] >> No, not punitive. It'll come back to me in a second. But it's basically how bad [ __ ] get dudes and [ __ ] Like they use this technique to hook you. You know what I mean? So >> now it's called Instagram.
>> Yeah. So So they this they just basically use guilt. I can't think of what the acronym feel is for. The P is for God damn it. Um I'll come back to it later.
>> Essentially, they manipulate the >> Yeah. But but basically they attach they attach hooks to the things that you do.
So like um they'll use your word against you, right? So uh like if you say, "Hey baby, we're going to go to Disneyland later on. Um I'll pick you up at 5." And then something happens at no jumper. You don't get there till 6:30. Instead of just understanding the situation, she'll just ride you. Well, you said you would be here by 6:00. And if you loved me, you would be here by 6. I mean, by 5.
You get what I'm saying? So, it's just a hook that they use to get you. And a lot of times, chicks deal with guys that they're smarter than, and they use this technique, but I had a brain fart and can't remember all the words and acronym.
>> Well, she's definitely significantly smarter than me, but the bar set pretty low there. So, >> what the are you talking about? You're like, you've said [snorts] yourself that you're the smartest person on the jumper. You have clearly set pretty low.
As much as you are a in many ways, you are like something akin to a genius in some ways as well.
>> Yeah. Like Rainman, >> like the guy from Wuang. [laughter] Got it.
>> You got it. Oh, he found it. He found his acronym.
>> So the P is for protector.
>> So they'll put themselves in a lot of situations where you have to protect her. Like it'll be some [ __ ] like, "Yeah, I'm having a lot of trouble with my boss at work. He's always asking me to do things and I don't know how the I'm going to do it. I I you know, I think he likes me. I think he's like he's almost harassing me. They're always in these situations where when they tell you about them, it's prompting you to want to protect her. And it's it's it's on purpose.
>> Sounds a little bit familiar so far.
>> The H is for hero. So once they get you on the hook for trying to protect them, then they say things to prompt you to want to step in and be the hero. You know what I mean? My my boss is giving me less hours because I won't. I don't know how the I'mma pay my rent.
>> You know what I mean? So now she's lowkey prompting you to want to step in and cape on.
>> Right. Right. The I is for integrity.
>> So the integrity part is well uh you know they'll start using your word against you. Like I said earlier when you said you love me. If you love me you would do this.
>> You don't really love me. You don't really care about me. If you did you would do what you said you would do.
>> And the L is for love. And they lock it in with the love. But it's called the field technique. A lot of bad [ __ ] and I've dealt with a lot of bad [ __ ] They all use this [ __ ] >> Guess what? The ugly ones are doing it too. The ugly ones. Yeah. [laughter] >> The fat ones. The fat ones too.
>> I would know. The torches have since adopted this behavior >> cuz they're the weakest sex, right? The weaker sex physically, not mentally.
They're smarter than us. But imagine being the weakest [ __ ] in your crew.
And you imagine being a scrawny dude and all your crew is big ass 65 300 lb monsters. How you going to get these [ __ ] to do what you want them to do?
>> Statistically, I don't think they're smarter than us.
>> You don't? In what way, though? I think like the the you know when you look at like almost any field that requires like immense knowledge and education that men typically rule those fields >> and I can see that you know >> also aren't they kind of like restricted from a lot of education for like hella centuries and stuff?
>> Not in any of our lifetimes.
>> So do you think that men women men are better at getting their way from the opposite sex than women? because I feel like they get their way with us.
>> They get their way with us more than we get our way with them in general.
>> I don't know if I would agree with that.
I feel like if anything that men seem like they're way better at manipulation and coercion, which are kind of like key components of getting your way. And like, you know, I know it's like a sample size, this is anecdotal, but I'm always watching those Jubilee debates where they'll do the 20 versus one basically where they have like one person surrounded by people. And I don't know if it's just like smart women want to do other things with their time, but I'm always kind of astounded by the fact that the women are always like noticeably like 20 IQ points lower than the dudes.
>> Right. Right.
>> Like it it really stands out to me a lot and it [clears throat] really like makes me but but I also Okay. I feel like >> do you believe debates can't be the barometer?
>> Okay. But when it comes to debating, when it comes to like this sort of like fierce conversational, like debating once it gets to like a really extreme degree is basically like a sport. And when it comes to like, you know, a strategy games or whatever, like I play poker.
>> Poker is like every almost every great poker player is a dude. You know, 95% of the people who play the game in the first place are dudes, but then when you really look at the upper echelon, it's probably even more. It's probably like 99%.
>> Except for that one girl that cheated with the thing in her butthole or whatever. She that is so not even close to what happened but also she sucks [laughter] in general and she's the home girl but she's doesn't know what the she's doing but like chess you could say the same thing I I'm like pretty into like Scrabble Scrabble like everyone who's good as a dude like when it comes to like applying yourself and like taking something so serious that you make it like your your identity feel like men gravitate towards those. So, even if women could have like an average higher IQ, because let's be real, also a lot of dudes are so stupid that they could barely get out of bed in the morning. But I think like men's intelligence tends to be more polarized, like idiots and geniuses, whereas like the average woman veers more towards the middle of the graph. That's like what I've read in the past, >> right?
>> That makes sense. I >> I see your point. I see I see I think [ __ ] are dumb as >> but I do think women are more manipulative than men though fallacy bro they don't speak logic they speak fallacy and they get men to accept it >> right >> you know what I'm saying so like when you argue with a woman right there's a there's many fallacies but one is called an >> ad homonym >> and that's when instead of sticking to the point that you're arguing about you talk about the faults in the other person >> you get what I'm saying and and us being smarter we actually buy into this [ __ ] Right.
>> Like if I'm right about the toast being burnt, what the [ __ ] does that have to do with me the [ __ ] [laughter] >> It's two separate conversations.
>> The average woman will rely on all of the fallacies of like bad arguing like so consistently like anytime you argue with a woman, you will you will try to speak about like the average person or the average person does this and they will always respond to you with some anecdote that they think disproves what you're saying. And then you have to explain, I'm not saying that everybody does this. [clears throat] I'm just saying that on average, I think even this conversation right here, like the average woman would be listening to this, I think, and they would probably be like, well, I know a woman who's really, really smart. I'm like, okay, well, that doesn't really change the fact that I'm saying that the average woman is like this. And like, you just have to explain that multiple times.
Anytime you argue with a woman, it is stunning. Do do you think that um do you equate like the ability to be manipulative and like in a superior manner? Is that what intelligence is defined by more than anything else?
>> I don't even really think that women are like better at manipulating than men.
It's just they're not the reality is is that women have their sexuality that they can weaponize and use against you and we are essentially powerless to it.
>> Well, we're all used to that.
>> They have to manipulate to be in the game.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, they do. That's for sure. They have no choice. But then also think about this. How many female cult leaders are there? Barely any. They're like >> barely.
>> But how many of the followers how many how many female followers tons of >> cuz they speak fallacy. That's what they speak.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> [ __ ] ain't [ __ ] I'm going to get tattooed right now.
>> Yeah. You can't you can't spell fallacy without fall, [ __ ] >> That's [laughter] some funny [ __ ] I'm not making it out like I just actually think all women are think that like if you have a woman in your life, you have to like enroll them in college. You have to like listen like I'm going to work.
You can raise the kids, but you're also going to have to go to Harvard in order to compete with me.
>> Most definitely.
>> Or don't compete and just be like, "Yeah, [clears throat] >> for show."
>> Hey, I wanted to ask you this, Greg. Um cuz you know, Adam is is taking a serious uh interest in possibly doing standup. You I think are making it sound like it's more serious than it actually is.
>> I'm trying to get along.
>> What advice would you give him into starting standup? And how can he get offensive jokes without coming offensive?
>> Oh man, that's a great question. For somebody like Adam, see, I started comedy at 27. I started late. How I don't know how old you are, but >> 42. So you have an advantage cuz people already kind of know how you think >> and you got a lot of content out there.
So my advice would be write jokes from the content you've created. Don't like, >> you know, especially [ __ ] that's more personal to your personal life. Cuz if you figure out how to just talk about your life and make it funny, then it's going to come easy to you. You know what I'm saying? But if you try to be funny, it's not going to be it's it's not going to be just talk about your life and don't worry about laughs cuz people laughing doesn't mean something is funny. It's really about being understood and having a point of view, like a solid point of view on a topic.
Even if it's something that people will disagree with or agree, it doesn't matter. Just as long as they feel a certain way, cuz really telling jokes, being a comedian is really an argument.
It's really you trying to prove your point to somebody >> and then the funny is secondary.
>> So, let me ask you this though. I'm always interested in the creative process of because his question was based on a lie, which is that I'm like thinking about getting into standup comedy, which is not [laughter] true.
But what is your like creative process like in terms of writing down jokes?
Like like do you stick to a schedule of any sort?
>> I mean yeah when I have time I do but it comes from conversation like this.
>> Okay.
>> Comes from life. I get out and like try to experience things.
>> U me being an MC first. I'm really good with bars. So I may just write a funny uh roast here and there and leave it and then come back and like reverse engineer into that. You know what I'm saying? Um, and then podcasting is a part of it.
Once I have an idea I like, I try to see if I can talk about it like we're doing for a couple hours. If I can talk about it for a couple hours, then I go back and watch it. I'll condense it. You know what I mean? And then I go to the open mics. I work it that way. Um, so um, and then I just build it that way. And that's where you would have a good advantage over a lot of comedians in the gang cuz you podcast 20, 30 hours a week. So you talk so much about things.
That's why I I maybe I am pushing him into something he doesn't want to. Think I think he'll be good because he actually makes me laugh.
>> I he made an interesting point though about like the audience already kind of being familiar with you which will kind of lubricate them just to probably have the opposite effect cuz I'm like so polarizing. A lot of people hate me in our good feel as long as you can get them to understand why you say [ __ ] the [ __ ] you say eventually they're going to be like he's the greatest. I think like Doughboy thinks that I want to get on stage at a comedy club and say, "Well, you know the thing about black people." [laughter] >> For sure he does. Black people are violent, right?
>> They're violent. They're more violent than [laughter] white people. Let me tell you all about it.
>> THESE GUYS ON THE PODCAST ARE IN a gang.
Like [laughter] funny.
>> So, my one of my podcast co-host, he pulled out a gun on the other one the other day.
>> Got to stop saying never happened.
[laughter] >> No, that's like a just a I just like to cook that up. That's a fake.
>> Gotcha. Gotcha.
>> Craig, Craig, I'm very curious about this. Like, what are your thoughts on the blowing up and now like seeming implosion of the Rogan sphere? You being like a comedian that >> this implosion is overstated, right?
Like what is the implosion? This podcast.
>> Well, I mean like you you just see these American redacted or whatever these commentary channels are who all want to push this narrative that the Rogan sphere is over. Okay. I think this has been overstated, right?
>> So, what what are your thoughts just overall on the fact that this was like a whole brand new avenue in comedy that kind of >> was that that Joe Rogan >> created and there's like this whole scene that kind of exists outside of >> traditional comedy and a lot of these people didn't get their chops in the same way just like you did. So, >> but they're amongst the most successful in the world right now.
>> Yeah. I think it's needed, man, because you know, good comedians, whatever you're supposed to say, you say the opposite.
That's what you That's what a good comedian does. It's not It's not about like being agreeable and having everybody like me. It's about like what are you saying? Like, what does your comedy say? What's the message behind who you are and why the you say what you say? So, the fact that Joe Rogan was able to be successful, [ __ ] I applaud it. I don't agree with all the [ __ ] that some of the cats say, but I mean, it's free speech, so I don't give a, you know what I mean? It is what it is. So, hopefully it doesn't implode any further. I We need more sleeper sales of uh counterculture communities, people that say what the they want to say. I'm all for that. So, I hope I hope it doesn't blow all the way up.
>> You want to like Would you perform in Austin at those mothership and all?
>> Yeah. You know, I like you know, I mean, everybody was tripping on the Kevin Hart roast and >> Well, I wanted to get your thoughts on that. What were your thoughts about that? Because now he's getting a lot of backlash because he came out and said, "Hey man, I didn't know what everybody was going to say. I didn't have no control over these jokes. I couldn't take nothing out." Then they found out, "Yeah, you did. You took out 18 jokes, but you left in some other jokes that were kind of offensive." What were What's your take?
>> But it seems like the jokes that were removed were not removed because of things that Kevin Hart would have wanted removed. Right.
>> So, it wasn't >> when we looked up what jokes were removed, which I forget if we did that in front of you. It was like some stuff about Trump and Melania, >> some short jokes, >> which doesn't really seem like something that he would have cared about. And then the the short joke is like maybe they removed that cuz it was repetitive or something cuz they got you got to imagine that's like the thing that Kevin Hart is the least sensitive about. I'm sure he's been hearing it since he was 10.
>> This is for sure like the edgiest thing I remember, >> right? There how do you feel about some of the jokes that was even said on it?
You feel like some of the people cross the line?
>> Man, here's the thing, man. Cross the line as much as you want. That's if it's funny, I don't I don't give a >> But the glaring thing is like and I, you know, I hate to speak on it, but like like white comedians don't have to be as funny as black comedians. So you get certain white comedians that blow up and get to this catastrophic level and they're talented, >> but it's a [ __ ] tap dancing, playing the saxophone, building tents, and managing 10 kids and doing [laughter] comedy and he can't get a shot. So when I see [ __ ] like that, it it doesn't bother me, but it just reminds me that damn, this [ __ ] is really political. Cuz even the host, he's one of the funniest dudes out here. But to me, it makes sense him hosting the Kevin Hart [ __ ] >> Yeah. But but like literally what you're talking about is perpetuated to the teenth degree by that whole Rogan Spear scene. That's like everything that we just that you just described, but magnified even further.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, and the thing is you got to the the thing is the current, right? So it's all about being in the right place at the right time. So if you just happen to be a okay comedian and you get involved with the right movement, then it's the movement that blows you, you know? So it's like, you know, those those politics are difficult. You know what I mean? Cuz you, like you said, this out here that can do way more than what we can do that have nothing, you know what I mean? So in the in the in in the Rogan I I'm sorry, in the Kevin Hart roast to answer the question, I felt like I felt like it was a gray roast. Um, I felt like the gay jokes were were a little bit more like disrespectful to me than the black jokes.
>> What? Really?
>> Like the rock >> was a gay man or no? [laughter] >> If I was gay, my boyfriend would be here.
>> Yeah. If I was gay at Chip and Dance, I would laugh right now.
>> He kept talking about Kevin's girl and you know what I mean? I thought that was kind of like that was kind of hacky surfacy level [ __ ] You know what I mean?
>> What about when I was out whileing out the other day where we were all there besides Lush? She was in a K-hole but um we we DDG his joke he only I think got off like one or two jokes on Nick Canan but one of them was basically like >> your baby mothers are all [ __ ] >> right?
>> That did stand out to me. I was like wow. I feel like if there is a line that kind of crossed the line. I don't know though.
>> Isn't it kind of how you say it half the time? Well, I think it just it crosses from trying to be funny to just being mean. It's like, [ __ ] just hit you with a joke, but that [ __ ] is a [ __ ] Like, that's not funny at all. [laughter] It's just to be fair, it was like the rapping part. So, it's like, you know, >> I feel like the standard is lower when you're rapping the bars because part of the humor is the fact that, oh, they just rhymed those two things together.
And that's kind of funny because like the the actual bar we were looking on paper would be like something something something store blah blah blah. Your baby mas are all horse. It's like if that was just a joke and it wasn't rhy forced to rhyme as like the rap thing, then nobody would have even considered it even sort of a joke.
>> But you put it over a beat and rap to it, you know, it's kind of kind of lit.
[clears throat] >> Well, not all fake though, man. Cuz all this [ __ ] seems so rehearsed now that I've actually been in the in the >> It's not rehearsed. It's all improv.
[laughter] >> You know what?
>> I just got my dick, man.
>> Lovable loser.
[laughter] Wait, wait. Can I I wanted to read the rest of those archetypes. This was I was really into this before. All right. The neurotic, anxious, tightly wound, and worried. They demand that things are done their way and often use manipulation to control their environment. Who does that sound like?
>> Josh, [laughter] too.
>> He's not really like a on camera personality.
>> Josh is part of the [ __ ] though. So like that's Josh.
>> Oh, okay. The dumb one. Naive and oblivious. They often misunderstand situations literally and provide comic relief through pure simplicity. Who's who's >> there's I mean there's a few pretty obvious examples.
>> He quit 3 years ago. [laughter] >> I was even thinking about him. That's funny as [ __ ] Um I'm trying to think who's like the the morons among us.
>> Who is the morons here?
>> I mean it's hard to >> really >> Is it you?
>> If it's me, then we're doomed.
>> Who is it? I [laughter] want to say cuz it's a mean.
>> It's cool if you don't say it cuz I agree that is super.
>> Yeah, it's a meme. I'm not going to say.
We know. We all know who it is. No, like you know who it is. Like it's for sure the dumbest person you know.
>> That's not really jumping out to me. But >> here in the not >> chat, >> who who do y'all think?
>> Chat, who's the dumbest? Let him know >> who's the dumbest.
>> Let them know. Anyways, >> you should just say it at this point.
>> It seems so mean for they'll for sure hurt me really bad.
>> All right. All right. All right. Cool.
Uh, [laughter] >> okay. Uh, the bitch/bastard.
Selfish, cynical, and highly critical.
They use their This sounds like me, too.
They use their sharp tongue and wit to point out others flaws, often making making biting remarks.
>> Yeah, I can see I see some of you in that.
>> There's a little bit of me in there.
>> Oh, Trell was the the dumb one you're saying. [clears throat] >> Well, I think >> that's who the chat is suggesting.
>> No, I think the the bastard is Trell more like that. He's like had the snarky remarks and contrarian and >> but he's combined that with the dumb the dumb part too.
>> But but I feel like it would be like not it would be like purposely oblivious to try to like ignore. He's not really dumb but he would play dumb for the situation sometimes.
>> Okay. And then you have the womanizer/manizer which or maniser is the word that they wrote which doesn't seem like it should be a word. And it says superficial and overly fixated on sex or short-term romance. They're incredibly confident in their pursuit of partners. Now, I will say obviously I'm probably the most openly horny person, but I'm not like seeking out additional relationships. I don't feel like that's like a big part of my >> Sharp character. I [laughter] was I was going to say IS THAT BRICK BABY.
>> OH, NO. But that that is that sounds actually a lot like Sharp Sharp fits that more than anyone.
>> It's like Sharp that I could think of.
Okay. The materialistic one. Spoiled, entitled, and immature. They focus heavily on wealth, status, and luxury.
often whining when they don't get what they want.
>> I don't know that we have anyone like that.
>> We have no real materialistics.
>> We're all too broke. [laughter] >> I feel like that would not play terribly well in this.
>> I feel like I'm super materialistic, but I just don't like have the the the mean of a material >> time. What did Dave N say? I don't have money issues. I got timing issues. Okay.
[laughter] in their own universe. Quirky, spacey, and disconnected from reality. These characters marched to the beat of their own drum.
>> I don't know that we have that, >> Ricky.
>> But that is this is like very useful to me because I feel like anyone that we like thought about bringing on the channel, we could kind of like put them into these baskets. You did?
>> Yeah. Cuz it it's conflict. It creates conflict, right?
>> Yeah. said, you know, >> but so do you want do you not want more than one of each person on a podcast?
>> Well, I mean, as the host, you can kind of morph into whatever it is you need to do to make this [ __ ] go >> boom.
>> But if you have people who have those qualities, it's going to create the next cuz this is for TV, right?
>> This is character archetypes for TV writing.
>> This goes all back to vaudeville, right?
But if you got but if you got four people on a pod, you don't want three level losers or you don't want >> I mean, it's all about the host, >> right? Right. You got to have you got a magic Johnson type dude that oh these two let me do this for the joke.
>> You get what I'm saying?
>> Like look at the Ninja Turtles. They had very clear defined personalities. You know what I mean? Like >> Leonardo was like a leader. Michelangelo was hella goofy. Like hey dude.
>> Yeah. Donatella was hella smart and Raphael was all aggressive. And those archetypes are really like clearly defined in these dudes.
>> Absolutely. aka the like the the pinnacle of greatness in modern writing, the Ninja Turtles.
>> That was my [ __ ] when when Ninja one came out. I was excited.
>> But Ninja Turtles, when I see the way that the boys in my daughter's school are still so fascinated by the Ninja Turtles, I'm like, whoever cooked that [ __ ] up really landed on something that is just so universal, you know? And like my kid will ask me questions about Ninja Turtle lore. Like she will ask me like, "How did the Ninja Turtles live in the sewer?"
>> Well, that's good.
>> And I'm like I'm like, "In reality, nobody would want to live in the sewer.
It's all poop and yucky stuff down there."
>> When y'all [clears throat] was kids, y'all didn't used to like try to like go to holes.
>> Yeah. Hell yeah.
>> Don never [laughter] >> I could I couldn't fit through the [ __ ] >> In the middle of the road [laughter] >> said he couldn't fit. Oh, >> somebody make me the AI video of Doughboy halfway through the man the manhole.
>> Pause. Pause.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, look at us breaking down character arch.
>> Thinking about this a lot. I'm surprised it took me this long to be exposed to this.
>> They got to show love to your loser, man. It's all l [laughter] Yeah. But but this is also if you like look deeper because we were talking about the vaudeville character archetypes and then it's just the different roles that people play in society like the the healer, the hero, the the jester. Exactly. These are the same archetypes that are repeated in everyday life.
>> Indeed. Indeed. Plus in comedy like if you're cooking Adam or you're cooking in a situation and it's clearly your day, a real comedian is just going to support you in that moment. They're not going to try to chop you down and override you.
No, [ __ ] This nigga's hot. Let's Let's make this give him a rock.
>> Yeah. I do feel like no jumper more often than not has a different personality that might fit into one of these, but I'm not sure which, which is kind of like the gangster who talks about prison all the time, >> right? That's materialistic [laughter] because that has that's currency in society being tough.
>> Okay.
>> You know what I mean? That you know, and then also the fade is currency in prison.
>> You know what I mean? So it's metaphoric too. It doesn't have to be literal like spot on. you could replace it with things that culturally make more sense in these scenarios, >> but also like this table, these microphones are a leveling factor where a lot of things like physicality are out the window and that could be very frustrating to people who's like a huge part of their identity to go fight. You weren't thinking of [ __ ] as the dumb one, were you?
>> Why would I ever know [laughter] you think about Duno?
>> No, he's a dumb one. But that's not disrespectful.
>> It's not disrespect. It's not disrespectful in the world of comedy.
>> But he's our Chris Farley because he's fat. He's like everything he does, he's like kind of hilarious like without even hearing a word he's saying. Just him moving around is funny.
>> So he's he's the dumb one and he's also the in your own universe >> at the bottom.
>> Yes, he's for sure the >> And this is remember these are only for the story aspect of whatever you're watching. This doesn't mean that literally stupid. No, he's very smarter.
Yeah. For people to follow what's going [laughter] on. this is how they're perceiving him cuz this this is how they're trained to watch TV from years of watching TV.
>> But also, I feel like Doughboy, I wish that you would have like told us this [ __ ] beforehand because you're like educated in comedy. Like the way Craig broke it down, you would have been like, "Yo, by the way, kind of my thing is like I say goofy [ __ ] and like I'm halfway serious and it's funny." And I guess it took people a little while to figure that out. I kind of already knew that, but feel like it would have been a bit of a softer landing because like the Rick Ross like gangster persona and like blood dome.
>> I watched it, bro. I [laughter] watched that episode. I'm sitting there with my glasses on and the grill and like [ __ ] ain't going to keep calling me no [ __ ] [laughter] >> Why you calling me a [ __ ] I ain't call you a [ __ ] [ __ ] this. I don't even know how to talk to right. [laughter] I ain't call you a [ __ ] I ain't call you a [ __ ] I ain't call you a [ __ ] Are you going to call me a [ __ ] again? You going to keep calling ME A [ __ ] WHOEVER KEEP NOT CALLING YOU A [ __ ] [laughter] How about that, [ __ ] >> That one's really, really funny without trying.
>> Y'all got gold on here, man.
>> Dude, I feel like I missed out on a lot in society cuz last night I watched Patrick CC's new video about Key and Peele, who I >> I could have walked by them on the street prior to yesterday. I wouldn't have known who they were. I never saw it prior to like watching that documentary.
>> I just had never been exposed to it in any way. Like and I I I was looking.
It's like 2012. It was on on air for like 3 years. Just never saw it.
>> Well, you for sure know who Jordan Peele is.
>> Yeah.
>> Now, yeah.
>> Like, but you like you like didn't know that?
>> I knew he was a director.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I didn't really.
>> Yeah. I never got exposed to >> Really? You never seen Get Out or Us or?
>> I actually found out about what Get Out is about last night watching this little dope movie.
>> Insane. which now I understand a little bit about why so many people like mentioned it to me over the years like accused me of like being something from that show or something.
>> Basically just like a complicated way of calling me. You know, a lot of black people really think you work for the CIA like in the hood. [laughter] Be careful, man. I'm telling you, Jay Goover is his uncle in the building.
>> Like, man, I [laughter] don't know. But >> and it doesn't help that my family actually like worked in politics for a long time. And like, but then I did like people always would tell me that my dad was like a Mason, a Freemason, whatever.
And then my dad actually came on the podcast >> and it was like unbelievably obvious that he was not a Freemason. And then somehow that didn't really like stop any of these.
>> I think the last name thing kind of throws that off a bit.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I just have like a cool last name. Yeah. Even though really it's just like a French last name that means big house >> for sure. [laughter] >> Really doesn't designate you being part of the Illuminati because you have a last name like that. But >> it mean it means that you're the Bohemian Grove.
>> Does the white Illuminati have to do they have to you in the ass? Cuz all black. [laughter] >> You're not getting away from the ass sexes.
So all I is doing. It's got to happen.
>> I was penetrated. [laughter] Wait. So I I was wondering uh so how long have you been on Cory Hulkham's podcast and like what what is how would you describe your role on that?
>> So on I'm just a co-host.
>> Okay.
>> Know Cory Hok is a legendary comedian, you know. Um >> man, he pretty much is like counterculture at his peak. You know, whatever you're supposed to say, he doesn't say it. So um I've been with Cory on his show for about six, seven years. You know, we met at the improv.
One of the the traditions in comedy, we all go to the Hollywood improv on Monday nights and we just roast each other for hours. So, most of the time we don't even go in the club. We just be outside murdering each other for hours and that's how we met. That's fire.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, that's how we met. He invited me on the show. Um, and I've been co-hosting ever since. That's like his show. Um, yeah. I'm just a co-host.
I just I'm just like the the voice of reason on the show kind of.
>> Okay. Cuz I'm going to be honest with you, like I don't really think I knew who Cory Hulkcom was until Flockco started making all these videos trying to hat. They have a really evil beef going.
>> Cory the type of guy where if you start it, he going to finish it. He don't give a about, you know, about none of the [ __ ] So, >> who do you think is up in that beef?
>> I ain't really been paying attention.
You know what I'm saying? Here's the thing. The 5150 world is we we always got something going on. You know what I'm saying? So, um, the [ __ ] that Flockco was saying is just exaggerations and lies, >> you know what I mean? So, like accusing somebody of being a PDF when that's not true. We we say jokes and [ __ ] but ain't nobody no PDF. That's like the worst thing you can be.
>> That's a murderable offense where I'm from.
>> So, to accuse somebody of that, not be in their face, not have no paperwork, and just put it out there, to me, that's [ __ ] [ __ ] behavior. Now, I don't know Flaco personally, but I'm just speaking on any guy that accuses somebody of something that he paperwork, that's a problem.
>> I don't know that I actually tuned [clears throat] into the video in which he tried to paint that picture.
>> Oh, he made a couple of them.
>> It was It was a lot of it was like remarks, his commentary on remarks that >> he was taking the content of things that he said and just kind of paint >> switching up the context and that [ __ ] went crazy, you know, it went crazy. So, I mean, that's a political strategy. So in politics, they have this thing called context toy. That's when you take a fact and you spin a narrative around it and make it seem like it's something that it's really not. So he's taking a conversation like we're having today and taking one piece of it, extracting all the context from it and then creating his own context to go to go around it.
And that [ __ ] went viral. But the [ __ ] is simply not true.
>> Okay?
>> You know what I mean? I don't know what started that beef because like I knew Cory from back in the day being funny as that one roast there. No, it it was that Allstar weekend and he just went crazy.
He's drunk as hell, just unhinged and he was just making fun of everything in sight. That was one of my favorite like clips on the internet for years indeed.
>> That's what I knew of him as.
>> He's one of the rare comedians that tours and sells out. He has no ties to Hollywood as far as like he he did he's independent. So if he was a rapper, he would be like uh uh what's the dude from Kansas City? Tech.
>> He'd be like Tech N where he don't answer to nobody. Can't nobody tell me what the to say. I do what the I wanted and he really is having a history.
>> You go on the road with him a lot.
>> N I got my own thing going over. Yeah.
>> But like Okay. Was it kind of when the controversy hit this year? Did that like how did that affect you? Were like okay this is my dog. I got to stand tall.
Like what did that feel like? I mean, it was a lot of people saying crazy [ __ ] you know what I mean? But I'm I'm built for it, you know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, my resume speaks for itself, like in the streets and with comedy. I mean, I got a long way to go comedically as far as this is a lifetime journey, but for me personally, like I would never be sitting next to a PDF, >> you know what I mean? Like they wouldn't even be able to be comfortable around me. That's not even something. As you notice, he keeps sitting in the back.
>> Quiet don't wake. [laughter] [clears throat] I went to a comedy show the other day and it really like occurred to me that like if you want to take on this pursuit, you're pretty much taking it upon yourself to like stay out going to these clothes until like midnight, 1:00 in the morning, like every night. Like you have to make that part of your routine pretty much >> when you're working on your act. But if you like are somebody that's established, you could really have it your way. Like if you got a big fan base, you don't have to do shows at night. cuz all my shows are from 12:00 in the afternoon to to 6 uh p.m. and then I'm out.
>> You do what? It's your fan base.
>> These comedy clubs want to sell food and drinks. So if this is when you if they can use your audience to sell food and drinks, you dictate what you want to do.
>> You know what I'm saying? So that >> Don't you think it kind of takes away from it when it's like these giant like arena stadiums? Like >> I say that about music, too.
>> Yeah. I think I think it's a disconnect because I when I see people do stuff I mean as proud as I be of some of these casts like you know what I'm saying like even like when Kevin Hart was doing like football fields I was just like and you could you chime in on how you feel about it I just don't know how you can connect to 18,000 people like you know what I'm saying and yeah you know what I'm saying you're sitting in the middle and it's 360 normally when you're in doing comedy it's front facing you can see everything in front of you I I I don't I mean I'm not I look up to it for the accomplishment of it but just on a techn technical standpoint, do you feel like it's a harder connector to perform in front of that many people at once?
>> I think so. I think so, cuz you know, comedy is an energy transference and [ __ ] So, if I'm in a smaller room and I'm murdering that room, that [ __ ] feels like power. It feels like you could actually do like a in a in a dual kick.
What's that [ __ ] called? Throw a fireball and [ __ ] street. It feels like, am I tripping? Feels like you can actually do that. Like you could feel humans power in a smaller room, you know? So, I mean, but you know, for to make that real money, nobody wants to do a 100, 200 dates.
>> What feels crazier though? Cuz you've been a rapper. What feels crazier? That or being like this and then having all like thousands of people. What feels crazier?
>> So, I would say the joke thing feels crazier.
>> Because you know, you can't hide behind a beat.
>> You get me? So, you know, in our era, you could be a okay rapper, but if you had a Dre beat, [ __ ] you were >> and a hook. Yeah, we we had the argument about uh what's harder to be great at, standup comedy or battle rap the other day on the podcast and I noticed a few battle rap pages kind of clipping it and having that argument. And one thing that I found kind of compelling that a person said was basically like when you do a battle rap, you do that one time and you are never telling those jokes again.
That is the end of it right there. And then meanwhile in standup, you're working on the same set over and over and over. you might do it hundreds of times, right? So that that is one thing that >> really like like everything is on the line in the battle rap world. Whereas like you're doing your set at a club in comedy, you know, the consequences of you having a bad night are pretty low and you can have a bad night.
>> It's like comparing a dunk contest to an actual game.
>> Battle rap is like a dunk contest. So you got two Vince Carters doing amazingly verbally acrobatic [ __ ] That's a talent in itself. But to do comedy for an hour and a half and have a linear thought and take people on a journey is the hardest thing to do in entertainment. It's there's nothing in my opinion that with that I was falling on the side of battle rap because I've seen both. I've done both and just the memorization of of of not only the raps but the act.
So I'm just talking about just like in a soul just in a sole performance. One is doing standup, one is doing standup comedy. Like as a stand-up comedian, I know I know these jokes. I've done them before. I'm comfortable. If I need to go off page, I can go off page. I'm cool.
Whatever. With this other thing, it's just like like you like you was saying, like you got this one time to get it right. You don't get to do it again.
You're not going to be able to say this to another rapper. If you repeat a line, you know, it's a cardinal saying, you repeat some [ __ ] and don't around and forget a line and just wait like 3 seconds. Oh, comedian got pressure.
Comedians got pressure. You can't bite.
Like you don't want to get feel me Carlos Mansia and all that. Like there's there's heavy pressure for comedians too. But [clears throat] >> I would hazard to say that what Craig was referring to like a 90minut set where you own the world Chappelle type [ __ ] whatever >> that is like that is such a high level to get to. And in order to achieve that the only real comparison in battle rap would be like the loaded lux or disasters of the world which in essence are doing the exact same thing that you described. uh connecting coherent ideas, waiting it for like this with the added pressure of somebody tearing them down right in their face. That [ __ ] is intense. Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? It's really difficult to say.
>> I think the deciding factor too is like who are you?
>> I can hear you rap for every day and I still don't know who you are as a person.
>> So, as a [clears throat] comedian, all all great comedians, they let you into who they are at their most vulnerable space. So, no battle rappers going to get up there and be like, "I was molested. My uncle me and I still came up here and killed [laughter] you like Chucky.
>> You get what I'm saying? Everything is about cool, >> right?
>> You know, me being a rapper and a comedian, I understand that there's some weird delusion in rap where [ __ ] feel like they have to be cool.
>> Well, the way that is framed >> and that [ __ ] is it's not I don't mean to cut you off and that's just not corny because it's necessary for the culture, but that's something that won't make you a good comedian. And so so to be uncool and make people laugh at your uncle for an hour and a half to me is like that's some hard [ __ ] to do.
>> The way that is framed in battle rap when they don't want to look um like seem like they're uncool but still be vulnerable is how hard they had it growing up.
>> Like I I I had to like I never had like a cereal bowl. We had to just like cut the carton in half. [laughter] >> Right. That everybody has guns but no gun license. Where's your license?
[laughter] >> Oh man, that's real. Yo, uh so shout out to Craig Smith for coming on here, man.
I'm glad we got to connect and everything. Dude, hilarious man. Uh and gave us a little bit more of a perspective on Doughboy and his unique blend of >> and comedy, which we've all kind of been in awe of over the past few months. Um shout out to you guys. We will be back at 4:00 for the No Jumper Show live with some new characters. So, make sure you guys tune in. Also, the Edgars are eating McDonald's. Just so everybody knows, they're not going to they're not going to starve. They've got their >> toxins on deck.
>> I bet you chicken nuggets, huh?
>> What'd you get?
>> What's your order?
>> Chicken sandwich.
>> Chicken sandwich.
>> I would have respected you more if you got a Big Mac, but shout out to Craig.
Shout out. Shout out to Doughboy. This was a good one. Appreciate y'all. Smack the like button and we
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