Cáigase de la Cama con Fernanda Tapia

Added: 2026-05-24

[00:00:03]It has already begun. Fall out of bed with Fernanda Tapia.

[00:00:08]Start the day in bed with Fernanda Tapia.

[00:00:11]Hello, good morning. Good morning.

[00:00:15]How are my loves? Amoras, amores.

[00:00:19]Hey, what's up? How are you all doing? How are you coping with the downpours and the heat? I'm kind of getting over the flu, but there's always that damn cough, right? That's how one brings it.

[00:00:37]So.

[00:00:39]Hey, how are you? Well, let me [sighs] tell you that amidst all the back and forth, the United States continues to demand that Rochamoya go there with the others. There were 10, now there are two, we have one here. Of the other seven who were to accompany him, two have already surrendered.

[00:01:00]But imagine, Mexico has been asking for the extradition of 269 criminals here for more than 2 years. And how many do you think have returned to us?

[00:01:15]Nobody. [laughs] In fact, 36 applications were rejected and 233 are still stuck. What do you think? What do you think? And well, we remind you that the ICAT in the capital is starting certifications for drivers of scooters, motorcycles, and electric bikes in a city where, well, everyone wants to do their own thing. They think they're bumper cars, but we're trying to bring order to this, to save people's lives, because you have no idea how bad it is. increasing the number of fatal accidents. Well, I tell them that even on motorcycles they are a little more protected, but then they don't even wear helmets and they even carry babies in their arms. Yes, it makes me very nervous. And well, it turns out that our president, Dr. Claudia Shane Baupardo, announced that next week a plan will be presented to increase the production of medicines in Mexico through Birmex and alliances with some private pharmaceutical companies, both from here and from other places, so that there are no longer pharmacies with empty dispensaries. Quite the opposite.

[00:02:47]Oh yes, we also had some real bullies in that sector, I can't even begin to tell you. Oh, by the way, Sergio Mager resigned from Morena. I think he said, "I'll quit before they fire me, but he won't let go of the job." And now, ladies and gentlemen, with our first mixed interview.

[00:03:09]They are with us. Wait a minute, [clears throat] I've got a good demoder here.

[00:03:17]Oh, God. This, Luis Ruiz and Andrea Natzahuatza, uh, in a group hug and tell us about their most recent book, which is wonderful, Guide against prudes, machos and fascists. Hey, my dear Andrea and Luis, Luis and Andrea, how are you?

[00:03:38]Hello.

[00:03:40]Hey, what a joy, because yesterday we couldn't talk, but today we have to let our hair down.

[00:03:47]Listen, the book comes with the warning that it's not a book to win arguments, but at least it will encourage you to think differently. What will those who get their hands on this wonderful book find?

[00:04:03]Um, I mean, I would even say that you can win arguments with this book, it's just not the goal, but rather, Andrea and I ask ourselves, like, what are these things that tell us we can't question because the world is the way it is, and that's it? And we actually believe that there are many lies that are told to us so that the world continues to be unfair, especially unequal. Uh, yes, I think there's a lot to it about inequality, don't you?

[00:04:32]So, uh, in the book there are a series of texts about concepts like meritocracy, maternal instinct, puritanism and a bunch of other concepts that we believe keep the world as it is instead of questioning these social constructs that make us separate, that make us live in inequality and that make everything more unfair.

[00:04:57]Sure, listen. And tell me about it, because they presented it in a super-friendly way so that anyone can skim through it and understand it concept by concept. Which one did they focus on first?

[00:05:11]Wow, I don't remember because the work on this book was done over 2 years and I think we were getting closer to one thing and then another. I, for example, remember that the first one I started drafting was the one about maternal instinct, because I was at that moment, I had just had my baby and so on, so I was dealing with very specific things, but it was all a very comprehensive work because we believe that all these concepts do not exist in a vacuum, but rather they nourish each other and that we cannot understand one without understanding the others as well. So we built them in a continuous way over 2 years and in the end the trick was how to arrange them in a way that made us say, what is the entry point to start talking about this? No? That's why the first chapter is about meritocracy, right? From starting to talk about issues of inequality, class issues, issues of the normalization of inequality, and then moving on to concepts that are more complex and perhaps also more uncomfortable. Let's get started with meritocracy. If I were to tell you what we've been fed up to the core and what isn't true regarding meritocracy.

[00:06:26]Well, I think this idea that the poor are poor because they want to be, right? This idea that you make an effort and uh-huh.

[00:06:34]Exact. Strive, put in the effort, and you'll find the prosperity that's waiting for you, right? If you take them into account, there are a lot of barriers, obviously related to class, but also to gender, age, race, and so on, right? I believe that is the big lie on which many others are based.

[00:06:52]Yes. And to defend, because some have so much in an obscene way and others have nothing, no matter how many hours they work each day.

[00:07:02]He's incredibly strong. Listen, come on, maternal instinct, please, let's lower it right now.

[00:07:10]Yes. Well, in the case of maternal instinct, what we wanted to raise is how this expectation and this demand that exists on women not only to have to be mothers, but also to have to take care of all the people around them, right?

[00:07:30]Because ultimately, the expectations of caring for children, the elderly, the sick, and people with disabilities fall on women under this logic of, well, of course, women can care because it's in their instinct, because they know how, right?

[00:07:46]When women have taken care of things, because otherwise, who would take care of them, right? Because if we say, "No, well I don't take care of anyone, " then everyone is left without care. Uh, it's not like being a mom or deciding to be a mom is wrong. What is not right is that the entire responsibility falls on women because there is a so-called biological component that does not exist.

[00:08:10]It's completely learned, and it's not like, for example, I don't mind taking care of people, what bothers me is that it's expected that I'm the only one who has to take care of them. And I think those things also need to be questioned because much of the oppression towards women comes from that idea of ​​"well, now you stay at home, it's your job to take care of others, if someone gets sick you have to quit your job." What happened during the pandemic, right?

[00:08:34]When the children stay home and we have to lock ourselves down, then who loses their job?

[00:08:40]Women, because those who have to take care of the people who need care are women. So, it's about questioning those things they tell us, because it's in nature when that's a lie.

[00:08:51]Hey, I love it because if the genes came, I mean, I don't even know about an injection, right? In other words, something went wrong. [clears throat] Hey, about the prudishness and the fascism, who's going to talk about fascism?

[00:09:09]Wow. Well, the thesis of the book, or one of its hypotheses, is that both the "mochos" and the "machos" are the same, right? In other words, like religious extremists, or like people who reproduce or often reproduce gender stereotypes, we are, or rather, we are fertile ground for fascism to grow, right?

[00:09:35]All these hate speeches, these divisive speeches, and content creators who say things like, "No, women have to fulfill their essence as caregivers," etc., are precisely the electoral, but also social and cultural, base of far-right movements and authoritarian leaderships, right? So, fascism, and especially neo-fascism, grows in the world because there is a whole propaganda machine behind it that justifies inequality and demonizes progress, right? From many perspectives, right? From the redistribution of wealth, to new roles or the change in gender roles and gender expectations. So, we lived and grew up in Guanajuato.

[00:10:27]So, we know very well about both conservatives and machos, and we know how there is a very big risk that these ideas will translate into political movements that seek to restrict the rights of various social groups, right? I mean, yes, LGBT people, women, but also indigenous people, racialized people, and we could go on with a long list, right? Dangerous as they say, because it's not like they're saying, "I want to live like this and it's my problem."

[00:11:02]No, it's that they think everyone has to live like that, and then things really get messed up, right?

[00:11:10]Exact. In other words, this isn't about telling people what to think, but if you translate what you believe into organizing marches, passing laws, and promoting ideas that try to restrict other people's rights just because you believe that's not how things should be or because your religion tells you that's not how it should be, then there's a problem, right?

[00:11:33]Think whatever you want, as an individual. If you want to think horrible thoughts, then think horrible thoughts, but not this one. I mean, actively working to prevent other people from having access to rights is different from someone believing they are the divine people in charge of putting order and ruling over others, right? That's very serious.

[00:11:54]Ever since they took this photograph where they were, like, oh, I forget the exact name used, but laying hands on Trump where, well, the meme is that he is the savior. Wow, that's scary, isn't it?

[00:12:15]Yes. And ironic, isn't it? Because I also think it demonstrates tremendous hypocrisy in the conservatives, don't you think? Among religious extremists globally, it's funny that many ultraconservatives see Trump as a leader, even if they live in Mexico, Guatemala, or wherever, but they have anointed as a moral leader a man who has been accused of the most serious crimes against women, who has said outrageous things about his own daughter. He's on camera admitting that he went into the dressing rooms of the models from Miss Universe, right? I mean, I think there's also something very interesting to explore in the hypocrisy of ultraconservative movements, don't you? They have been able to form some very strange alliances between ultra-wealthy individuals, religious leaders, politicians, and celebrities to create networks of power. Well, they're very big and they want to impose a lifestyle on a global level, right? Which also curiously brings together many of those who have the money, and now that's the law that governs everything, is that it leaves money for me, right? To his five buddies. I make a terrifying statement on the weekend so the stock market changes and my buddies and my son make money, right?

[00:13:55]Clear. And the dangerous thing is that many people believe that's just how the world is, right? And that's it, they won, and that's how it's always been, and it's like, it hasn't always been like that, and it's not like that everywhere, there are other options.

[00:14:11]And here's the thing, what conclusion did they reach? Because, well, we now even have a very strong anti-fascist league going on throughout the country because of this wave of far-right extremists coming across Latin America and Europe. I mean, yes, they really are something that jeopardizes the access to human rights of a lot of human beings, that is, of people.

[00:14:40]Yes, absolutely. So, that's why we wrote the book, really, because of a sense of urgency because we saw that it wasn't just Trump anymore, right?

[00:14:49]You'd turn around and see Miley, but you were really seeing Bukele. Uh, and not just politicians, but also, uh, as you were saying, billionaires, Elon Musk buying X and the Elison family buying all the American media, right? So, we're seeing that there are international far-right networks that I think it would be very naive to think don't have interests in Mexico, for example, right? So we wrote the book for that reason, and I think that was the main conclusion we reached. It will be achieved in solitude and it will not be achieved by saying, as Andrea said, well, it's over, oh well, let's just lie down and watch the world burn, but this is also part of a larger cycle, as there has been so much progress in many ways, in politics, in elections, in society, in everything, so it is natural that there is such a violent reaction, right? In other words, if they see that feminism is suddenly advancing, anti-racism is advancing, language is transforming, then, oh yes, sorry, uh, then there will be a rather aggressive reaction in the opposite direction.

[00:16:04]So that's really the conclusion. This is not the end of the struggle, of the resistance, the end of the world, but rather a violent reaction that we must oppose, not with equal violence, but with equal force.

[00:16:19]Make sure you have plenty of information, because otherwise they'll overwhelm us and even make us doubt our rights. That's the serious part, isn't it?

[00:16:32][snort] Sure. And that's precisely why the book is [clears throat] very well researched, I mean, this book isn't just something I sat down to reflect on what I believe and that's what I wrote. Uh-huh.

[00:16:44]Instead, we sit down to investigate, to look at many sources, to put forward opposing viewpoints and to engage in dialogue, because it is of no use to simply say, well, I believe this and that's it, without listening to other points of view. And we believe that this book can be a tool for those who are looking for, as a gateway to delve deeper into these concepts, and not just because I say so, but because there is evidence here, because science exists, because historical patterns exist as well. So, well, I think it's a very useful tool in that sense: we're going to have a dialogue, and we're also going to confront each other, and yes, sometimes we're going to argue, but we're going to do it based on information.

[00:17:27]Hey, and lastly, what would you say to someone dealing with a large, prudish, macho, fascist community? I can't believe it. I'm in a lot of internet groups where the ones who shout the most angrily are the right-wingers, and you say, "Oh, God, what's going on? They don't even have Elon Musk's money." [laughs] But I would tell them first that the money of Elon Musk and many others is indeed in generating a lot of accounts. I mean, I'm not saying that all far-right users are bots, but certainly one of the most effective strategies of the right has been to generate a false sense that that way of thinking is the only one that exists, right?

[00:18:16]If you go into any social network you want, of course you're going to find a lot of super-volatile, super- loud users saying horrible things about LGBT people, about women, about migrants, and you click on their username and usually they don't have a profile picture, the account was created the day before yesterday, right? So, no, but here in the groups they do have a first and last name. They are entertainment reporters.

[00:18:46]They are groups of some news outlets.

[00:18:49]Well, I've definitely drawn a line in the sand with some of my neighbors. I said, "No, these people are such a drag. Seriously, unbelievable, huh?"

[00:18:59]Yes. I mean, and on the other hand it's true, is n't it? That there have been cultural triumphs for the right, that is, they have undoubtedly managed to make their discourse resonate. We explored it in the book, didn't we?

[00:19:10]Because? So, who do we stop talking to? The progressives, uh, a lot of things, right? I think what I would say is that they should n't feel like they're the only people who think this, because that's precisely the intention, isn't it? That's why there's so much noise from the other side, so to speak, right? And I think the important thing is that we talk about it more, that we make more noise, that we have more conversations, precisely so that a kid in Tamaulipas, who maybe does n't have access to so many support networks and so many spaces where he is accepted and embraced, or in Guanajuato or Aguascalientes or wherever, knows that he is not alone, right? And that there are actually many people, not only in Mexico but in the world, who think what he thinks, right? and who believe that the world can be different and can be fairer.

[00:20:02]Furthermore, it has the right to exist, and to demand its rights. Sorry. It doesn't matter how she thinks, how she dresses, how she looks, who she wants to kiss or not, that is, she has rights and they must be respected, it's not up to a vote or to whim.

[00:20:22][clears throat] Exactly. And that in the end, regardless of exactly how you look, what your sexual orientation is, or even what your political stance is, human dignity is above all else.

[00:20:35]How do we get your wonderful book?

[00:20:39]Hey, you can find it in all bookstores in Mexico, you can also buy it on the Penguin Books website and there you'll find it in digital version and in the audiobook that Luis and I narrated.

[00:20:49]Oh, how wonderful. I love audiobooks. What's more, no matter how much I've already read, I'm going to listen to it as an audiobook. I love them. [laughs] Oh, her networks, her networks, please. You can find us on all social media as @abrazogrupal and there is more content there very much in the style of a book.

[00:21:13]Oh, Luis Andrea, well, a group hug, that's it. We need to support and strengthen each other, okay?

[00:21:21]Big hug, take good care of yourselves.

[00:21:24]How beautiful.

[00:21:26]What a beautiful job. And when we were young, huh? Do n't say, "Oh, this old lady is just a Contreras now because that's how it is."

[00:21:33]Well, yes, that's how I am, but don't get me wrong, it's not pure stubbornness. It's not pure stubbornness.

[00:21:40]Oh, my God. Listen, and we're still on the Ebola alert.

[00:21:47]Uh, what's up with Ebola? Look, Ebola has even been portrayed in a very disturbing movie, I think it was called Pandemic or Epidemic.

[00:21:59]This... it's... very high fever, muscle pain, but it comes with vomiting, hemorrhaging, and organ failure. Especially the blood issue is very noticeable. It's not contagious like a common cold. No, not like that either. Do n't panic. The truth is, it had only occurred in very small villages in Africa, but the problem is that the current outbreak in Congo is very widespread and has already jumped to Rwanda in one case, and it was a fatal case, and there was an American doctor there treating patients.

[00:22:35]They were transferred in An airplane, completely hermetically sealed, to try to cure it. What's the problem with this variant that just broke out? There's no cure or vaccine, and the existing ones aren't working.

[00:22:50]It's unsettling.

[00:22:52]It's like with COVID, right? It seems to be mutating, and the virus that was like the original, let's say, is now changing.

[00:23:00]The thing is, the ones that have emerged have a lower mortality rate, even though they're more contagious. In contrast, this disease is extremely contagious, but the rate is that one out of every two dies.

[00:23:14]No way.

[00:23:15]Yes, that's what's so serious about Ebola. And here we used to joke decades ago when it was already under control, right? People would say, "I owe the house, I owe the rent, I owe." No, but this one is really serious. We also have to pay close attention to the health alerts for people traveling from these countries to the World Cup, because remember that there must be screening measures in place, and they're important and must be respected. Because it happens that not everyone keeps washing their hands, keeps doing the proper sneeze etiquette, I mean, let's not forget what we've already learned.

[00:23:48]Of course. Oh, for example, I was out with a bad cold in crowded areas. I wore my mask.

[00:23:54]If I couldn't maintain a safe distance, excuse me, I was wearing a mask.

[00:23:59]Sorry. We're getting there, we're getting there. Oh, God.

[00:24:01]Who do we have here, my dear?

[00:24:05]Ah, we're with Noe Ona González, president of the Union of Cooperatives, Blue Whale Group, Loreto, spokesperson for the Movement in Defense of Loreto. They are environmentalists who requested the Senate's intervention. Let's see, Noe Ona, how are you?

[00:24:24]Good morning.

[00:24:25]Hello, how are you? Good morning. Good morning. Tell us, uh, uh, what exactly did you ask the Senate for, what's happening there in Baja California Sur, my dear.

[00:24:36]Uh, look, first of all, let me tell you, I'm Noe Ona, and as you say, besides being environmentalists, we are also Part of society, and the whole town is organized, not just the environmental group. I'm asking the Senate to please review the decree published on April 10th in the Official Gazette of the Federation, which designates Loreto as a new deep-water port.

[00:25:11]What does this imply?

[00:25:13]It has many negative impacts, since we're in a protected natural area, the Loreto Bay National Park, a UNESCO-recognized park.

[00:25:26]In fact, the Sea of ​​Cortez, as the first diver described it, was one of the world's most important natural sites. Right.

[00:25:39]That's right. And UNESCO considers it a World Heritage Site.

[00:25:45]So, we're talking about a very important area where the blue whale, the largest mammal in history, comes to reproduce, to feed, to give birth, and so on.

[00:25:59]to have their young here.

[00:26:03]So, this is a protected area that's at risk with this categorization. Why?

[00:26:11]Because when they say they're going to turn this into a deep-water port, it means more ships, large ships of different international drafts, can arrive, and it's incongruous to have a deep-water port with a marine park, besides the arrival of cruise ships with large tourist groups, and this can cause damage to the entire marine ecosystem, right?

[00:26:38]That's right. This has been happening for years in the case of the marine ecosystem, but also at a social level here in the town.

[00:26:49]Loreto is entirely tourist-oriented; it's a small town. I invite you to come whenever you like.

[00:26:54]I know, I know, and my husband is a museum instructor. I dived a lot, and that's why what you 're saying worries me. When large cruise ships come in, besides stirring up waves of sand from the seabed, which usually cover the coral reefs, the ecosystem changes.

[00:27:14]Certain animals move away, and others no longer come there. To spawn, so to speak, right?

[00:27:21]That's right. And well, the town changes, doesn't it? Different, [sighs] the town changes, and well, yes, this mass tourism arrives, but we have to be honest, this tourism only comes for two or three hours, they do n't stay overnight and they return the same day. So they have everything included up there. So, if they happen to come down and buy some water at the supermarket or buy a small craft, well, according to them it's an economic boost, but really, tourism here comes for five or six nights because of the international connections we have. We have an international airport and they arrive for five or six nights to enjoy the marine park, whale watching, island trips, sport fishing, because sport fishing here is very good and very important. Diving, as you mentioned, all those activities generate a larger economic impact because they have to stay in a hotel, they have to eat, they have to go to a restaurant, they have to hire a service To be able to go out to the park, and it's linked to, well, we say, the environmental disaster that could occur, even though it's an important factor, also means that it totally affects our way of life, how we live and how we take advantage of the conservation of the natural wealth we have to live, to move forward.

[00:28:56]I mean, it would destroy the kind of tourism that actually benefits, replacing it with a more ephemeral kind of tourism, and they would also be destroying part of the marine ecosystem?

[00:29:10]That's right. That's right. Sometimes that's what would really be happening. We've had several approaches where they've told us, "No, it's just a formality." But legally, after receiving advice, they've told us, "It's open, it's completely open." They might say they only changed it to complete a formality because there could be irregularities with the arrival of cruise ships, but we say, we really do n't want cruise ships here, and even if it's just a formality, there aren't any in the decree.

[00:29:44]Considering that it only limits certain activities, since it's a marine park.

[00:29:50]So, that's basically what we're fighting for here in Loreto, that this decree is completely threatening our way of life, our economy.

[00:30:04]We're being displaced because when they do all that, letting ships in, the marina's structure, I tell you, is very small. In fact, it was originally built for coastal fishing. So, it's a marina with basic services, and we know it's not ready to receive large ships, large types of vessels, but there are plans to do so.

[00:30:38]So, if they do that, it also implies dredging, modifications, expansions, which would really make the problem even worse. It would be a complete ecocide, and they would be disturbing the water table and killing one of the main symbols of our gastronomy, the chocolate clam, which is very famous here.

[00:31:07]Loreto. So, we already have problems with the fishing bans, and then they come and say, "You know what?" "We're going to dredge you to bring in one of those ships with 3,000 or 4,000 people, and yes, it's going to affect us a lot."

[00:31:22]Hey, and who promoted this? Wasn't it some mayor, some governor who said, "We're going to bring development?" Not me, you know.

[00:31:34][sighs] In fact, let me tell you, that was the, what's it called? the slogan they used when they uploaded those videos about bringing development to the town of Loreto, that there were very big projects with great fanfare, like it's done, right? But we already know who it was, it was the Port Environmental and Integral Administration, sorry, which is this API, which is in charge of the concession here in the Navy. They were the ones who requested the decree from the city, sorry, from the Secretariat of the Navy, and from the Secretariat of the Navy, it was requested from the Executive, from the president. It's a presidential decree.

[00:32:18]Wow. And that's the thing.

[00:32:21]Well, it would have to Insist, then.

[00:32:22]Not all voices are heard, and this person thinks they're sending development, but what they're actually sending is a huge problem.

[00:32:34]There are things that can't just be touched like that. Excuse me. Go ahead, go ahead.

[00:32:39]Exactly. In fact, one of the important things we're raising, and what society is really worried about, is that there was no public consultation, that we weren't asked if we wanted this. We, as a community, are not against development, but we have a way of life that changed, and everyone agreed to change it in 1996 when the Loreto Bay National Marine Park was created. It was established to prevent vessels like shrimp boats, tuna boats, sardine boats, and large cargo ships from entering. Why? Because the local people could already see the natural potential we had right here. So, the Loreto Marine Park was the first park in Mexico created at the request of the citizens themselves.

[00:33:37]So, that's how upset the community is.

[00:33:41]people because they were never consulted, "Hey, you know what?" We want to create this new decree so that large banks can enter the market. Well, we had already fought to prevent them from entering, and now this decree implies that they can enter again. So there is indeed a certain displeasure in the sense that a citizen consultation was never requested.

[00:34:06]And what are they proposing or asking for now, comrade?

[00:34:11]the annulment, the abrogation of this decree, that it be completely annulled. Because?

[00:34:18]because of the effects it has. We are currently receiving legal advice from some lawyers in order to take action.

[00:34:30]Some injunctions have already been filed, some groups have already filed, we are also working on it, there were also approaches, to be honest, with the municipal presidency so that they can file a constitutional controversy that is about to be filed as well. So, they are working on different fronts, right? We're going to keep going until this stops because this isn't a game. Well, it's there, and if it is, the very life of the local economy is at stake, because we know that if we don't have a marine park, if we don't have something to take care of right here in front of us, we're going to have a very difficult time. The entire economy and ecology. Thanks, mate. Is there a website the public can visit to learn more and offer support? Of course. Look, we have a Facebook page right now. Well, we have two Facebook pages. One is called Unión Loreto DCS and the other is called Loreto Soundlab.

[00:35:40]Okay, those are the two pages you can follow and that can have information about when this movement was practically born. I'm talking about the April 10th decree, the April 15th decree was issued, which is when we found out through the Official Gazette of the Federation, and that's when we started to mobilize because we know what this means. So, those are the two pages where the truthful information of the Union is located, where I am presiding, uh, of the Union. So, that's where we're putting our information.

[00:36:18]Thank you and best of luck, Noé, to you and to the entire town of Loreto and its community. Take good care of yourselves.

[00:36:24]Thank you.

[00:36:25]No, thank you very much for the space, for giving us the opportunity to let people know what is happening here in Loret. And I truly appreciate all the help you can give us.

[00:36:39]Thank you with love.

[00:36:40]Thank you so much. See you later.

[00:36:41]And it's like that park he was building. I don't know if they already had something there in Majahual.

[00:36:46]Majahual was the next stop after Tulum. I mean, you see how they were, how it all went down.

[00:36:54]Little by little they left Cancun. Well, you know, right?

[00:36:57]They took the Riviera, then they arrived at Playa del Carmen.

[00:37:02]From Playa del Carmen, but everyone was there, right? Puerto Morelos, Tarara. Then they went further towards Yamajahual.

[00:37:08]Many Italian families came there to settle down, to exploit tourism, but exploiting it is a bit of an exaggeration because they were very small hotels, things weren't that bad, but there was nothing to be done either. Majahual was truly a place to go and lose yourself completely, to retire without reaching the costs that Tulum reached, which was crazy and where there was already drug control and everything. Uh-huh.

[00:37:40]But some cruise lines no longer wanted to stop in Cozumel after they destroyed part of the Cozumel coral reef to make the cruise ship stop there, because they were charged $2 per person disembarking and they didn't like it anymore because they were going to spend $3,000 per cruise on an island that, with what they earn, dude.

[00:38:03]With what they earn. Well, then they were going to Majahual just to mess around in that area too, but since there was really nothing to do there other than sunbathe and well, because there wasn't even diving, they said, "Let's make a private water park."

[00:38:20]Ah, well, like those that many of the cruise ships have that have their own private islands in the United States. Here the beaches cannot be privatized, that is, they could put their park there if they bought it, but not the beach. And they were also committing ecocide because there is a whole series of interactions between the jungle and the sea, believe it or not.

[00:38:44]And until yesterday it was said that the work was being stopped, that the work was being stopped because everyone was up in arms. It's clear that these gentlemen want to save 3500 from an area they had already invaded, to continue on to Majahual and there create this free China, well, we're lost, huh?

[00:39:04]Yes, that's for sure. And they had said that they had already thought about abandoning the project, but then they saw the social pressure, Ferqu, right? If there's no pressure on social media, it seems like nothing is happening. And look, speaking of that, let's move on to our next interview. Flor Rodríguez, executive director of Repara Lumea, which is a very, very interesting proposal.

[00:39:25]Tell us, my dear Flor, welcome.

[00:39:28]Good morning. What is this civil association about? What exactly does he propose when talking about repairing the damage?

[00:39:36]Good morning and thank you very much for the space. And what is Repair Lumea all about? Well, Repara Lumea was created with the intention of preventing sexual violence in Mexico, and as we have already discussed, we have a very specific theme and cause in Repara Lumea, which is the prevention and attention to sexual harassment and abuse. And we 've worked on it a lot in educational institutions, which I think is one of the spaces where most women need to feel safe spaces and also that if there is harm, the reparation is real because then, well, anyway, go ahead, keep going, my love.

[00:40:26]Safe spaces first. What are we talking about? In work environments, family settings, on the streets, on public transport, or everywhere?

[00:40:36]Yes, everywhere. I believe that the intention of reparalumea is precisely that: the construction of spaces free from harassment and sexual harassment of any kind of sexual violence in general. Well, there are many organizations today that are dedicated to care and support.

[00:40:58]So, I think we've been working together for 10 years now. We are women who founded Reparalum from different professions. Hey, I'm the only lawyer, hey, there are philosophers, there are psychologists.

[00:41:17]So, I think that has helped us understand that this problem is not just about looking at, for example, the legal side, right? That it would only be a legislative or legal problem, or that the laws exist, right? But it has made us see that it is a, uh, a systemic problem, right? And it has, well, a multidisciplinary tension.

[00:41:47]Because many times those who call for help don't want to report it. So, I think that sometimes the last thing the victim wants is to report the crime, but often what they want is this emotional support that helps them to strengthen themselves in order to then undertake a legal process, right? And at Repara Lumea we have learned that it is a problem that needs multidisciplinary attention, and that where we can contribute, because we are all academics, is from the side of education, from creating this awareness, from using our tools, we have created care guides, guides on how to act, we give a lot of talks in schools, in middle schools, in high schools to raise awareness about this issue. Because if one thing is certain, it's that even today many people fail to identify when they are experiencing violence, right? And especially when talking about sexual violence, because when we talk or hear about sexual violence we imagine these very tragic scenarios of sexual violence, right? without realizing that sexual violence begins with much more everyday acts and behaviors that we have normalized as a society, as you mentioned earlier when we go for a walk and someone says something that makes us uncomfortable, right? Many people are used to calling it a compliment when it's not a compliment, it's harassment.

[00:43:39]Look, [clears throat] my dear Flor, uh it's very difficult, uh it's taken a lot of work to make the gentlemen understand this, who now approach with fear and resentment instead of with understanding or with a desire to truly understand uh what was wrong, what made us feel bad, so we can start to correct it.

[00:44:05]Yes. Um, I think that's what we've faced most in the work we do at Repara Lumea, because our work is more about raising awareness, giving these talks, these workshops, and I think that's what we 've faced, because our day-to-day work is precisely about raising this awareness not only among women, but among people in general.

[00:44:36]And I think this part has been understood, this part of simply pointing out what is done wrong, right? And I think that today the idea from Repara Lumea is to understand that it is a collective responsibility and a collective effort.

[00:44:57]Hey, Flor, you said something very disturbing.

[00:45:01]So, the first thing is not to get the victim to report the crime, but to support her and make her feel safe, strong, and accompanied.

[00:45:12]Exact.

[00:45:13]Yes. And I think that's one of the [clears throat] processes we've learned over the years. Well, the truth is that I think it's very understandable that the victim hesitates to file a complaint, right? Because of the whole context, not only the situation she's going through, but also, as we know, this lack of trust in institutions, right? Due to the lack of attention from institutions. Many times, even the revictimization that occurs when they decide to report, right? But many times I think that this is what makes us, as a society, and that is also what we at Reparalum emphasize: that the work is collective, not only the government, not only the institutions, not only the laws, but also us as a society. What can we do as a society, right? And in this case it's about listening to the victims, not judging, not giving an opinion because we don't have the whole story or the complete side of the coin. However, what we can do is offer them all the tools we know and let that person decide what they want to do, because telling the victim what to do is also a form of revictimization as a society or as an involved party, right?

[00:46:58]Because, understanding that they come from a context in which they have lost everything, even the power of decision, then we must not take away that last thing they have left, which is the power to decide what they want to do.

[00:47:13]Hey, and Flor, do you also accompany them if they want to file a complaint?

[00:47:19]Because that shouldn't go unpunished, it really is a mess, although sometimes this becomes a revolving door. We already know this, but it shouldn't go unreported. I don't know what you think.

[00:47:33]Yes, I don't think that what we're looking for is for a complaint to be filed, for a process to be initiated, and for there to be support, right? We know today that if anyone goes to report, well, the system is revictimizing, but we don't provide support, we only give advice. However, over these years, like I believe most civil society organizations in our country, we have created a network of other organizations, haven't we? So, if someone needs that support, we already have other friendly organizations that we can direct them to and that provide this support, right? this emotional support or this legal support. Well, I think that there are many civil society organizations that are working every day and, as I always say, we are always many steps ahead of what institutions or even laws in our country are doing. What ages are the people, the girls who ask for the most help?

[00:48:59]Yes, in this case it's the girls who are more or less 15 to 20 years old, I think 15 to 20, 25 years old are the ones who most often resort to asking for this help or this advice. Isn't that curious? And is there a specific economic stratum involved, because we tend to think that only low-income women receive beatings and beatings.

[00:49:29]Yes. No, not at all. I think there's a phrase that we at Repara Lumea have which is that violence is not the only thing that doesn't discriminate. No, it doesn't matter what social class, economic level, or education level, violence unfortunately happens to all women. There's a UN Women statistic that says seven out of ten Mexican women have suffered some kind of violence, right? We are sure that those other three who answered that survey and said they have not experienced violence is because they do not know how to identify it.

[00:50:13]Exact.

[00:50:14]Violence.

[00:50:15]Rather, Flor, how do we access that page to recommend it in case someone needs it or we know they require this advice?

[00:50:26]Yes, we're on all platforms as Repara Lumea, you can write to us there, you can send us a message, there's also a number you can write to, you can call, and we're always available.

[00:50:47]Thanks a lot. Take care, Flor. I send a hug to you and that whole team of women, girls.

[00:50:56]Sisters, thank you.

[00:50:57]Thank you, thank you very much. And as we always say at Repara Lumea, we women save each other too.

[00:51:05]That's really who we should be networking with.

[00:51:09]Thank you with love.

[00:51:10]Thank you.

[00:51:11]Take care of yourself.

[00:51:12]Well, let's see, let's have a nice one from your hoarse chest. A pretty one. Speaking of joy. Oh, and Tati Cantoral and Eduardo Santa Marina, remember that they were a couple a long time ago and had as a gift of love and life two very handsome boys. Well, last weekend one of them graduated, Roberto graduated as an engineer from a very prestigious university in the United States.

[00:51:35]Yesterday, Tati Cantoral shared photos of the whole family on social media, obviously without Eduardo, but the boys were there, his girlfriend was there, his daughter was there, and she said she was very happy that her family was at this ceremony, which she attended with her other son, Eduardo Suchi, and also María Itatí, the girlfriend of one of them.

[00:51:58]Everyone looked very happy in the photos, they were radiant, and she was very proud to see her two children with Eduardo Santa Marina, who are all grown up now and are graduating after a long time.

[00:52:11]She said, very happy and proud, "Being happy with my family and having my children together and not fighting." Now they really did reach a very good agreement, and it's cool, isn't it? That families can always reach good agreements so that if they separate, they can still see their children, the children grow up, graduate, and they're all happy. What a mess, there it is, your network, your network, sir.

[00:52:36]That's right, we're in the best group.

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[00:52:52]And we're already having axolotl-like experiences, listen. And mine is fernandatapia.com.

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