This video demonstrates the logical fallacy of 'begging the question' in religious arguments, where a debater assumes the conclusion (God exists) within their premises rather than providing independent evidence. The host explains that valid arguments require premises that are independently verifiable and lead to the conclusion without circular reasoning. The discussion also covers scientific concepts including pulsar stars, gravitational waves, and the nature of vacuum, showing how scientific knowledge can be used to evaluate religious claims.
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All right, we're going to bring in our next guest. It's going to be uh from the YouTube cube. We're going to get Muhammad into the chat. How you doing, Muhammad?
Muhammad, are you with us?
It says you have a headset plugged in.
It says that you're listening to the sound of Kuran right now. You have a Samson meteor microphone. Those are dope. I had my Meteor microphone stolen from a hotel a couple months back. I'm still upset about it. Good thing it's it's only 35 bucks, but it's my favorite travel mic. It's like only this big and it's just a it's a badass mic.
>> At least we can know with high high certitude which god he worships.
>> Yeah, I can only wonder. I mean, [laughter] I'm going out on a limb. I'm going to say maybe he's Muslim. Muhammad, you get your mic fig figured out? You're okay over there? Did you fall asleep listening to the Quran in your headphones?
Okay. Well, come back if you get it uh figured out. Uh we're going to move on to Jack from the YouTube queue and see if Jack is ready to have a conversation.
How you doing, Jack?
>> Can you hear me?
>> Yeah, I can hear you. How you doing?
>> Hey.
>> Jack, are you with us?
>> Yeah. Can you hear me, sir? I can hear you. Yeah.
>> Good man.
>> So, Jack, are you at least 18? And do you believe in God?
>> I wish I was 18 pound. I'm 47.
>> Mhm.
>> And I'm agnostic.
>> Okay. So, you don't believe in God?
>> No, I'm agnostic.
>> So, you don't believe in God?
5050, >> right?
If you're agnostic, it it means you don't have a positive belief in God. It means you don't know.
>> I'm so I'm debating people who who do have a positive belief in God. If you're agnostic, I mean, congratulations.
You're halfway to atheism. You'll be there soon.
>> I don't think I would. Sure. Well, what would be the >> So, what would be the argument that would lead one to believe that a god exists?
>> I have three questions for you.
>> Well, I'm asking you a question. What would be the evidence that would lead to God existing?
>> Where's >> Should we check for a delay?
>> I think it's a delay. and I I think he's on a a different plane of reality. We're going to move uh on from that and we're going to try to get Muhammad back into the conversation. Muhammad came back so I assume they're they're ready to go this time.
>> He got he he got off his flying horse and now he has returned to us. You >> hear me?
>> Yeah. How you doing, Muhammad?
>> Pretty good. How about yourself?
>> Doing good, thanks for asking. Muhammad, are you at least 18 and do you believe in God?
Yes, I'm uh at least 18 and I do believe in God.
>> Sure. And is it a specific god or a generic god?
>> Uh I believe in the god in the Quran, the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
>> Sure. And what would be the best evidence or argument for the Islamic God being real?
>> So um I think what we focus on is just um it talks about the signs. So maybe we could just go focus on God himself.
Yeah, that's why I'm asking. Yeah, what's the evidence that the that the god is real?
>> So, it's the design theory. So, basically >> theory is a strong word, but all right.
>> So, basically what you see is like the fruits that come out, all of our all of our resources that we use are from nature.
Correct. and the sun and the day and the night and the day.
We wake and we sleep where we sleep. How we sleep in the night >> because we evolved in the night.
>> Yeah. We evolved in a planet with all these things in place.
>> We like the reason why we survived is because we were the entities that were able to survive in this environment. The ones that weren't able to survive are dead.
>> So, let me ask you this. So what caused this? Like why isn't there another species similar to us? Why is it only humans?
>> There is.
>> There was.
>> Have you not heard of chimps, bonobos, apes?
>> Okay.
So explain to me chimps, bonobos, apes.
>> What do you need to know? Do you not know what they are?
>> Do they have the same the same logic as we have?
>> They have intelligence. Maybe not to our level, but um just because we have a little bit more intelligence than them doesn't mean that we're entirely different. I mean, >> homanderalis had logic similar to ours.
>> Any other other basically other race than human race?
>> Say that again.
>> Homo Neanderlis.
>> Why isn't there another race than human race? Like currently, while we're currently >> Well, why isn't there another lion?
Well, there's other types of >> These are these are dumb questions.
>> Like a cheetah.
>> Like a cheetah.
>> No, not are not the same, >> but they're both felons, right?
>> Yeah, I know. And humans human beings and apes are part of the same family, too. We are apes. Like chimps, bonobos, and human beings are all part of the ape family. We're as we're as similar as apes as cheetahs and lions are.
>> Okay. So why isn't any other like animal or any other species on our level of of knowledge?
>> Why isn't every animal as strong as uh like their [ __ ] chimp?
Like because that was our adaptation that allowed us to survive as a species.
That was the thing that we emphasized.
But to be sure, dolphins did too.
Dolphins have insane brains, maybe second only to human beings. And they have very very detailed uh communication and social structures. And they even play games with each other. And they even uh take uh recreational drugs.
They'll even uh uh [ __ ] around with puffer fishes and get themselves high >> and pass them around to each other.
Every species every every species of animal has something about it which is unique.
>> It just happens to be that humans what makes humans unique is our intelligence.
And because you're a uni you're intelligent human, you tend to just think of that as making you above the rest.
>> No, I don't think we're above. So basically, [clears throat] okay, so is there any creation, animal creation that can cause global warming?
>> Yeah, cows. Have you not heard of methane?
>> Yeah, cows. But will cows overpop populate the society that they'll get to the point of unless us humans allow them to?
>> Well, no. That's why we're in an actual ecosystem.
There are checks and balances in ecosystems.
>> Okay. So, the checks and balances is where I'm at like where I'm at.
>> Something else something else would kill them if we didn't wolves, coyotes, bear.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, it keep them in check, right? And we have to keep them in check with our own intelligence.
>> So, like we if we >> we don't have to >> I mean, okay. So, let's say this. It seems like Muhammad like your argument essentially is humans are more are unique among all animals. Therefore, we're special. But guess what? Um, elephants are also unique among all animals. And tigers are unique among all animals. Every species is unique in its own way.
>> But what is the my main thing here that I'm trying to focus on is what it what can our intelligence affect on the environment? Like for instance, if we drive >> What does that what have to do with the [ __ ] price of rice in China?
>> Well, let's look like >> we're trying to figure out we're trying to figure out why you believe in God.
We're not trying to figure out why human why human beings adapted higher intelligence than the other animals.
>> Well, this is the whole idea is that no other animal has this ideology of they debate about God or they communication about God. They're built in communities.
So what?
>> So the whole idea here is why I come to this and I say this is that >> by the way homo Neanderlas had spiritual beliefs.
>> Okay. So we we believe Okay. So we believe what do uh we can eat cows, right? And we can eat goats.
>> So can lions. Lions eat them all the time.
>> Yeah. No, I'm not I'm not saying I'm saying we can eat cows and goats, right?
Say that we take a V8 engine and we made all our cars V8 engines in in society.
Would it eventually the ga the the CO the the the bad gas is coming out from there? Would it eventually cause global warming? If the entire world started driving doesn't have to. No, >> it wouldn't cause global warming.
>> I said it doesn't have to.
>> Why do we have to Why do we have to hold that back?
>> I said it doesn't have to.
>> Yeah. So what what would it stop if we >> is humans ability humans uh propensity for causing global warming somehow evidence that your god is real?
>> That seems to be the case he's trying to make.
>> So so basically what I'm trying to say is that we have what what what comes to us is that we have restrictions in the environment. They're kind of like signs >> things that we do that we'll do.
>> You're trying to say that they're like god-given restrictions. That's preposterous.
No, but there >> that's begging the question. No, they're not.
>> So, who there are physical limitations to the world we live in. Just like >> uh there are physical like a tree can't grow into outer space. Like physics exists.
>> Physics physics aren't put in place by God. That's what you have to demonstrate. That's why right now you're begging the question.
>> So this is this is where Okay. So you're saying physics has to has to align. And so physics won't a tree can't go to the sky, right? Go to the to the outside of the earth, right?
>> Yeah. Because of physics, not because of God.
>> Okay. So let let's say this. Okay.
Okay. So now I want you to I want to ask you this.
Do you know every single thing that you do is good or bad? Like whenever you go to the store or when you drive, do you know everything every single thing that you're doing is good or right or wrong or do you have a limited amount of knowledge?
>> Everybody has a limited amount of knowledge because again [ __ ] physics.
>> Okay, because physics of course >> because our brain would be too large to fit on our head if we never forgot anything.
So our limited amount of knowledge could have you ever when you're growing up thought something was good for you when it turned out to be bad for you.
>> Yeah. Because you don't know the future.
That's that's the nature about knowledge is you you can't predict the future.
>> Yeah.
>> I I used to believe in the Bible and then I grew out of it. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So basically like what what I'm trying to say here is that there's the higher power is the one that provides us with the grass that we walk >> again that's begging the question >> that we eat.
>> No that's your conclusion. I'm asking you >> poop right >> Muhammad pay attention.
>> We already know your conclusion. We already know you think God created everything. We're asking you for the evidence that God did such a thing.
That's what you can't demonstrate. So every time you say that I believe in God because God did something, that's called begging the question. That's supporting your conclusion with your conclusion.
>> Okay, I see what you're saying. So let me let me see how I can I can phrase this better. I can show you better. All right, let's >> I mean, Muhammad, you're nice. So I'm I'm going to I'm going to work through um how to form a logical syllogism for you. I don't even like philosophy. I think it's boring, but you're nice and I I think it it'll help the conversation go easier. Okay. So, your conclusion is that God is real, right?
>> Yeah.
>> I'll make this bigger. Sorry, you can't read that. All right. So, your conclusion is that God is real. So, that that's that's the part you haven't proved yet. What you need to do is add supporting premises that would lead one to that conclusion.
So, what would be the premises to lead to this conclusion?
>> Okay, so I like I like how this is working. Okay, so like we looking at like a wall is red. The reason why it's red is because we've seen multiple red things. That's why the wall is red. The wall it's a wall because we've seen multiple walls. It's hard. It has different features that make it a wall.
Correct.
>> Well, yeah, but I mean a wall is something that we defined as a wall, right?
>> Yeah. But so how do we define something as a wall? Well, we use our human language. We point at that and say wall.
>> But okay, the wall has certain traits, right?
>> Yeah, we agree. Yeah. Yeah. All all things that are described by words have traits that are being um entailed in the description or definition.
>> So like I want you to think like say God is real. What are like the traits that God would have? Well, he would be all probably probably all knowing, probably all all loving, probably transcend um well, maybe transcend space.
Certainly not transcend time. That's illogical. Um that being said, um I don't think your god is any of those things.
>> So, let's say, okay, so when you say he would be all knowing, when he's all knowing, do you think that our limited knowledge, he would have knowledge above our knowledge? I would certainly hope so. And the reality is um we have no evidence that the God of the Quran has knowledge above our knowledge, which is why the Quran says statements about the world that are patently false.
>> Surely an all- knowing God would know the difference between uh two different women with the same name.
>> So um so let's let's say this, okay? So, so how so if I was to give you a statement that the God is true, you would have to see that God has more knowledge than we have. Correct?
>> Nope.
>> Nope.
>> How what what would make you believe that God is true?
>> Making definitions for God isn't proof that God is real. Like you can't say God is real because God if he exists has more knowledge.
>> I'm saying like if I give you if I give you a piece of knowledge, they give you a piece of knowledge. Like >> so the way that this should work is uh we we we should say my conclusion is that uh Dalton is mortal.
That's my conclusion. How would I support this? Well, what I would say is um all humans are are mortal. Then I would say Dalton is a human. And then the conclusion just follows. All humans are mortal. Dalton is a human. Therefore, Dalton is mortal.
That's a valid and sound logical syllogism.
>> No, I I agree with you. I agree with you.
>> Right. So, if your conclusion is that is that God is real, we need some sort of valid premisy leading to a conclusion.
>> Yeah. So, so let's say, okay, so like for instance, now what I'm what we're trying to focus on is God is all knowing, >> right? So, let's first all know.
>> Nope. That's another claim.
>> Oh, okay. You're saying that's a claim.
Okay. So, >> you you can't prove God is real by saying God is all knowing. That's just an additional claim. How do we know God's even real?
>> Let me let me say this. Let me put P1 put that. Okay, I'm going to explain I'll explain knowledge to you that shows that we that knowledge that we didn't know at the time of 1400 that we know now is true. Does that make sense?
What does the 1400s have to do with now?
>> Because like this is a book that was developed in the 14 not 1400s during Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam time.
>> Yeah. 1400 years ago.
>> Yeah.
>> 1400 years ago.
>> Okay. So then what you want to do is say God is real. And so premise number one would be uh some information can only come from God. Now I don't believe that to be the case because one it's begging the question. So your syllogism is already invalid. Uh but number two um what kind of information you'd have to establish what kind of information could only come from God.
>> Yeah because we're gonna have some fun with that. I got Wait. Sorry. So, go ahead.
>> Well, yeah. What information from the Quran uh could not have been uh obtained by Muhammad through natural means?
>> Okay. So, let's let's just do this.
Okay. So, let's just put we're going to say the Quran right here on some information can only come from God >> 1400 years ago. Put 1400 years ago. The Quran was created 1400 years ago. And I'm going to show you how current science has come up to show this these these facts to be true. Does that make sense?
>> No, hold on. I'm writing. Uh, 1400 years ago, God info was given to Muhammad. Okay. So, uh, first of all, you didn't actually, uh, support premise number one yet.
>> Yeah. So, so this is what I'm trying to say. So, basically, how I prove this to you?
>> I know. We know. Yeah. Okay, we we know what before you turn to the Quran, we're asking you how do you know what information could only come from God?
>> What information can only come from God?
So I So what why I believe in God is I believe in God is because there's so many signs >> that I hate one >> that doesn't answer the question. The question is >> your question again.
>> How do you know which information could only come from God?
>> Well, this is the reason. The reason is if you let me finish this is that like okay so the wall I see a wall it has this trait this trait this trait this trait this trait right so I see multiple signs so I try to explain to you each sign so that it eventually shows me why God I can see like basically God does that make sense >> no I'll try this again what's your method for knowing which information could only come from God >> so my methodology ology is the Quran and the sound of it and the em the sound of it that that the sound of it and the emotional feeling and the sound of it and the the the backing of so the main thing is the backing of current techn current technology and the knowledge that we have to this current day and the signs and and the knowledge that the prophet had sallallahu alaihi wasallam had during the time. So 1400 years have passed by >> and they're still discovering things in the Quran. So, Muhammad, let me let me pause right there. I want to help you. I want to help you. Okay. So, what to be sure, I we know every word that's going to leave your mouth. We've had this conversation with a hundred Muslims before you. That being said, I I think I can help what you're attempting to do.
What you should just say then to support your conclusion is that um if there is information say from a person that would be impossible for them to know then we could conclude that it might come from God right >> yes well it's no well let's say let's say information that yeah I would say yeah we could say that can can you say that one more time >> yeah yeah if somebody has information where it would be impossible for them to know, then it might have been given to them by God. You could say a higher source. You could you could do like ancient aliens, too. It could just be something higher than a human being. We don't know whether or not it's God. But >> in your in your syllogism, you want to say God, even though that's going to be begging the question, you at least trick a few people.
>> Okay. Say my my way. Yes, it's God. And then why I don't say it's another higher source is because there's no other alien contact.
>> Well, again, that's >> Well, you don't know that.
>> Does that make sense?
>> You don't know that.
>> How do you know Muhammad wasn't visited by aliens and given like like let's say the Quran had scientific information that >> washed his heart?
>> Yeah. I mean, let's just say that the the Quran has scientific information in it that's impossible for its time, which it uh it doesn't, but let's say it did.
It's more likely to be aliens than God because at least aliens are biological organisms and we know biological organisms exist.
>> I agree with that. But that being said, Muhammad, let's uh because you're being a good sport and I mean you're you're being a nice guy. Uh let's actually walk through some of the points. Uh, keep in mind, Muhammad, we have already heard these a hundred times and this probably won't be as easy as you hoped it would be before you called in, but like we're willing to play ball with you as long as you you're nice about it because like so far, I mean, you sound young. It sounds like you're just getting your feet wet with apologetics. And so, maybe now is a good time to have a level-headed discussion about these things before you uh get too much older and embedded in this uh religion.
So, I want you to look up the pulsar star.
>> Oh, boy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. We know this one.
>> So, it talks about it talks about it in terms So, first before I want to start, I want to go to Elamron. So, I'm going to go to Elamron real quick.
>> So, we don't we don't know the names of your chapters. You have to give us the chapter number.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm gonna show it to you. You can see my screen.
>> That's the new >> Justin. That's the the uh father of a Miriam Imran >> same chapter uh let me just because I'm trying to do only English translation for y'all. So basically okay so in this verse it says it is he who has sent down to Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam the book of this Quran and in it are verses that are entirely clear. They are the foundations of the book.
Uh and the the and those are the verses of alhim. They're the commandments like you know how like uh the Bible has the ten commandments and stuff like that.
>> Mhm. Yeah.
>> So al is the object to duties and the alhud is the legal laws for the punishment of thieves and adultery.
Okay.
>> I think uh I think in the Hebrew they're right.
>> The Arabic and the Hebrew there's so much crossover. I remember I was married to an Arabic speaker once and I was amazed by how much crossover there was between Hebrew and Arabic. It's wild.
Somebody needs to create like a spreadsheet. I would love to see that.
Sorry, Muhammad. Um, so I think what you want to talk you are you trying to get to the Knocking Star verse?
>> All right. So, basically, well, no, no, I'm going to go to the Knocking Star verse after this, but then they going, right?
>> This is the Yeah, but this is just to start off the book and explain a little bit about the book.
So, so it says other than uh others not entirely clear. So, as for those in whose heart there is deviation from the truth, they follow that which is not entirely clear. Therefore, seeking fitna. Fitna is like uh like trials or and seeking from it hidden meanings. But none knows its hidden meanings say from Allah. And those who are firmly ing ground in knowledge say, "We believe in it. The whole clear and unclear are from our Lord, and none receive abomination except men of understanding." Does that make sense?
>> No, we don't believe any of it's true.
We want to get to the actual talking point about the star that you brought up.
>> So So Well, okay. Well, I just want to do one more verse before I I show you the the star.
No one can see your screen by the way, Muhammad.
>> Oh, okay. Well, I'm just uh people who know. I just want to go over this real quick cuz I want to explain how the Quran encourages um knowledge of uh people Justin, uh, is this about a verse about a a star which happens to be brighter than the rest in the sky and that's it?
>> No. There's a passage in the Quran about a star that's considered the knocking star. And there's about five different talking points around the knocking star miracle information. Um, and none of them are actually in line with science.
So, >> yeah, I'm looking at this passage. It looks like it's just describing a star which is like more brilliantly bright than the rest of the stars in the sky and therefore it >> Yeah. Which is >> it like >> ironic because uh most of the pulsars you can't see with the naked eye.
>> Like they they would have no idea that they're even bright.
>> So I can't find the verse that I'm looking for right now.
Um, but basically what it's telling you is the people of knowledge, they're the ones who really fear and like they they they're conscious of God. So when we look at the pulser star and so it talks about a star that's knocking. So if you go and you listen to it um and you see you hear see NASA's version of it, you hear a knocking a knocking door. It's like a knocking on a door.
>> No. So this pulser >> So can you explain to me what you think?
>> Yeah, it doesn't sound like knocking on a door.
>> What does it sound like?
>> Not that.
Most stars sound like uh burning balls of plasma.
>> No, but like I want if you look at Can I send you a link on here you can show look at it?
>> I've already seen the bad links of poorly edited videos with sound dubbed over the pulsar.
>> Okay. So, so let me explain to you. You know how Okay, so the pulsar star has an outside ring.
>> Is that correct?
>> Okay, let's go on something maybe that's a little more pro proven.
>> I can show you a little more proven.
>> So, we'll go to something. It's basically the baby in the womb.
>> Oh, no. You don't want to do embryology.
>> I just got here.
>> Hi, Blitz.
>> Hey, Blitz. [laughter] >> Hi.
>> He was He was excited to talk about pulsars.
Yeah. Now that we got we we have someone who who might know something about pulstars here.
>> All right. So tell me what does he know about pulsers?
>> A lot. I know that they don't make sounds.
>> Yeah, >> they don't make sounds.
>> Dr. Blitz, what what is it you do for a living, Dr. Blitz?
>> Well, currently I am visiting a university for a research trip. I'm a physicist. Splash mathematician depending on who you ask.
>> Well, he might know something about pulsars. Let's hear him out.
>> This is good. Alhamdulillah. Okay, so let's go. Okay, so let's just say, okay, a pulsar star is it similar to a black hole? Has a ring on the outside.
>> No, pulsars don't have rings around them. You're thinking about an accretion disc.
>> Um, pulsars don't necessarily have those. In fact, most black holes don't have those either.
>> So, the accretion disc has that. Okay.
So, does the accretion disc knock?
>> No.
>> Okay.
So, I'll explain to you how the pulser star knocks. So, the pulser star >> Okay.
>> No, let let me let me explain it to He's a physicist. Maybe he'll learn something new on this one.
>> Maybe. Yeah. Maybe the guy with the P.
Yeah, sure. Definitely.
>> We're trying to We're trying to reach a truth, right?
So, what we're going to do is I want you to think about a magnetic pole.
>> You have a I have a a marble. Let's just say we have a marble in the center that's magnetic. And there's three other marbles. And we're going to say that space is a vacuum, correct?
>> Yeah. Close enough.
>> So, so space is a vacuum. It's close enough, right? And then let's say this.
Now, I want you to imagine this, okay?
When a ship is falling from the ocean and it's sinking like we're going to say that the ocean basically space is on a different density level as the as the as the world we're living in correct currently. So we're going to imagine that space is like >> density level is >> the ocean and the moon like think about the ocean and the moon swimming.
>> And now I want you to think about an a a ship a very big ship. Whenever it starts sinking what do you do?
You swim as far as possible.
>> No, no, you swim as far in a lifeboat.
You don't swim.
>> Okay.
>> What?
>> Okay. But if there's no life, you swim as far as possible because that what's going to happen is the ocean the the the water from the pull of the of the Mhammed of the boat is going to pull you down with it. So you have to swim further away because the gravity basically it's like similar to gravity, right? It's going to pull you down with it. So, I want you to think about the sun is falling down and the rest of the planets are are pulling on the gravity of the sun. Does that make sense?
>> Where is the sun falling to?
>> Yeah. What >> the We're in a big Think about a big big ocean. Okay. So, I'll explain to you where the sun is falling to you later, but I don't want to go too much into the >> What does this have to do with pulsars?
>> Is the Earth >> I'm going to explain to you right now.
Okay. So now I want you to look at now a pulsar.
>> What shape is the earth?
>> Is round.
How does the spin come? The pulser star.
What basically the pulsar star is guiding is it's sending out a wave with the knocks.
>> No, >> it's allowing the spin.
>> But there's multip Let me explain to you. Like >> that's that's not how pulsars work.
>> Pulsars are just rapidly spinning neutron stars.
So, so let me let me explain it like this. Rapidly spinning. Perfect.
>> Yes, please, please explain it to me.
Yeah.
>> Now, if I if I'm going to drop a heavy weight like the ship and now there's other sh Now there's I stay around that ship and there's another force pushing me, will I be spinning around that ship when I'm falling in the ocean?
>> I have no idea what you're asking.
>> So, like, have you ever studied like with water? Whenever a ship a big ship falls, what are you supposed to do?
You're supposed to swim as far as possible, right? Because it's going to pull you with it.
>> I've never heard this before. I don't even know if that's true.
>> So, there is something that that happens in the the wake of a ship >> where um um it could like temporarily pull you under briefly. That's one of the reasons why like if you're if you fall off board, you don't want to like stay you you think you might want to grab onto the side of the ship, but that's a bad instinct. It might actually pull you under the hole, but you don't like necessarily get trapped under there. Like you the boat goes over top of you and you come back out on the on the back end.
>> No. No. Sinking is sinking though. The weight of the boat will pull you in. If it's a very big ship, it will pull you in.
>> How what what effect is the weight of the boat having on you? It's not gravity.
>> Have you seen a ping-pong ball in a cone? A ping-pong ball in a cone. When you blow in the cone, it puts That's the Venturi effect. It doesn't work in water.
Are you sure?
>> Not naturally.
>> I I I don't I don't know what I don't know what effect you're referring to.
Ping pong ball cone.
>> So, let's just like >> the thing where if you blow air up, >> he's talking about the [clears throat] dumb >> Are you talking about the thing if you blow air up?
>> No, no, no. There's a dumb experiment showing the Ventur effect where if you blow down at the right time, the ping pong ball will stay in the cone rather than falling out because of the Venturi effect.
sinking.
>> What? What? Is this like a a funnel?
Like what cone?
>> It's a It's a funnel. And the way that the the way that >> is it going it's going around?
>> It goes around the ping pong ball and creates um low pressure on the sides, I believe, and high pressure in the middle when it when >> Oh, okay. So So this is this is basically the Magnus effect in reverse.
Okay, fine. Fine.
>> It's a a void. It's basically a >> What does this have to do with pulsars?
Because the the spinning of the neutron basically is the there three balls basically that are are >> there's not three balls in a neutron star. There's not a neutron star is one thing.
>> No, you're you're looking at because what you're looking at is you're looking This is why I can't explain I have to go to the next topic. But basically, basically when you're looking at a water, what you're going to find is when the spin happens, >> the spin you're >> What does this have to neutron star >> spin >> because you're only >> neutron stars aren't in water >> because but it's it's just the reflection. It's a like a reflection of water.
>> So water the density >> neutron stars don't reflect water.
>> No, because Okay, you're looking Okay, when you look at space, you're looking at it as a vacuum, right?
>> What do you think a vacuum is? Okay, but let let me explain to you something.
Okay, I want you >> What do you think a vacuum is, Muhammad?
I want to make sure you and I agree on what a vacuum is.
>> A vacuum is Okay, so let let me go like this. Do Do you think there's Okay, for instance, we Why Okay, so what is the difference between water and air?
>> Muhammad, >> why can't you just answer the question directly?
>> What is a vacuum?
>> Because I'm answering your question.
Okay, a vacuum is a lack of air, right?
>> Not just >> Sure. Yeah, that's pretty good.
>> I mean >> I mean it's a lack of everything.
>> Yes, right.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> It's close enough. Lack of error. That's that's a good layman's explanation.
[snorts] >> Okay. So, let let's say this. Okay. Um if for instance in in in water, okay, water, what's the difference?
>> Why are we talking about water?
>> Because everything is similar to each other. It's all >> they're made of different things. They have different pressures. They have different densities. Space is not like Space is not like either of those.
>> What? Okay. So, like let me Okay. Spa It's different densities like you said.
>> So, air space doesn't have a density.
It's it's it's nothing there. There's nothing there, right? Space is not a fluid.
>> Okay.
>> Air and water are both fluids. Space is not a fluid.
>> And like we we thought that maybe there was some sort of substrate out there called the ether and it turned out that there wasn't.
>> How do they push off of rockets? How do rockets push off?
>> Oh god, no. in the air.
>> Rockets don't push off of anything.
>> What do they push?
>> They don't push off of anything.
>> Okay, so rockets work. Rockets work via reaction forces. So you, if you were on a skateboard and you threw a bowling ball in one direction, you would go the other direction. Rockets work by the same principle.
Okay, so explain to me that one more time.
If I was on a bowling ball and I threw the bowling ball.
>> Imagine that you're on a skateboard. You know what a skateboard is?
>> Yeah.
>> You're on a skateboard and you throw a bowling ball. What will happen to you?
>> The uh I'll move.
>> What happens to you?
>> I'll move.
>> This is not a rhetorical question.
>> I'll move.
>> Yeah. You'll go in the other direction.
Right.
>> Yeah.
>> So, rockets function on the same principle. They throw stuff out the back and they go forward.
>> Okay. So, like let me ask you this.
Okay. When I'm Oh, they throw something out of their own system, not out of not inside the system. Like for instance, I push water and then I swim.
>> Correct.
>> No, not like swimming. Well, rockets push fuel that Right. Rockets push fuel that they had inside of them.
>> Yes.
>> They they throw their own stuff out.
They're not pushing on something else.
>> Yeah. The same way the bowling ball is part of the system till you let go of it.
>> So, how do how do the plan planets move in the sun?
>> It's crazy pivot.
>> The they're they are in gravitational orbit.
>> They don't need propulsion to stay in orbit.
>> Okay, perfect. Okay. And how does light travel?
>> Yeah.
>> It has no choice.
>> Okay. So >> through the electromagnetic field >> exactly. Okay. So light rays light rays and gravity are on a smaller spectrum than what we're on like than >> what do you think a spectrum is correct?
>> Like let's say let's say we use what type what type of uh thing can we like manipulate type of waves? Okay.
Okay. So, like for instance, isn't isn't light kind of like a wave like a water wave?
>> But you said light and gravity, they're not remotely the same thing.
>> One second. Isn't sound Well, light So, light and gravity are similar to each other.
>> How?
>> Gravity is a wave. Because if you look at the >> gravity is just the bending of spaceime.
It's just warping of spaceime.
>> A wave.
>> Gravity is a wave.
>> The laser. Yeah.
>> Not all gravity is a wave. There are gravitational waves. Not all gravity is a wave.
>> So what are the other way gravity pulls >> via static or non-wave like uh propagations of the warping of spaceime?
>> By by the way >> nonwave >> by the way this this language of a knocking star existed in pre-Islamic po uh works. Are you aware of this?
>> Okay. There there's a female pre-Islamic soothsayer, Zubara, and she speaks of a uh quote uh of the star that knocks at night and the clouds full of rain.
>> Okay, that's interesting.
>> Okay, >> but also no stars knocked.
Yeah, this is merely this is merely a passage that's meant to demonstrate that they have a a star that's like piercing through the night like a like a like a like someone who comes to visit you at night. They suddenly make themselves known. It's the same way that the star just suddenly shines in the night and that's all this passage is about.
Well, there's other things that are hidden within this, but so uh um so basically we're talking about the the the the waves. [laughter] >> So not all gravity is waves. Can you explain that to me? I'm I'm I first off this before I I I go into this thing. Um I just sometimes I'm really trying to learn and understand both y'all's perspective. So I'm trying to point That's all right.
>> You've been good. You just have to understand that like you have a kind of a little bit of a habit of like verbal diarrhea where you say a lot of words and I don't think you know what any of those words mean. So it might be helpful from your position maybe just slow down a little bit, use less words.
>> Okay.
I I see what you're saying. Maybe just uh like try to Okay. So what what I'm trying to say here is that what we're facing is that gravity is a is a wave and light is a wave and they travel through space.
Now we have what we have is sound is a wave.
>> And what does this have to do with the what does this have to do with the pulsar knocking?
>> So this is a big concept. That's why I wanted to switch to the embryology um because it's it's a big it's like a kind of a large thing. This is talking about how the earth and the sun and the the the moon is all swimming. And this is explained in the Quran as well, but like I'm trying to explain it to you.
Um, and it's a big topic, >> but they're not swimming. They're not moving.
>> They're not propellant. So, look, the there's no there's no similarity between the swimming that you and I or a fish do and the way that stars and planets move through space.
>> No.
>> One involves propulsion off of an external medium. the other doesn't.
>> No, no, you're think you're looking at it wrong. I'm talking about like the same concept with the ship, but there's different forces that are getting in played. So like gravity is like the sound. So like sound can be like if I >> is not like sound, right?
>> So that's why I'm trying to explain to you that >> gravity has almost nothing in common with sound.
>> Well, this is what I'm trying to explain to you if you if you give me a moment.
So if I if I >> Muhammad Muhammad, what is more likely?
What is more likely? Because look, look, and I mean this with love. It seems like there's a lot of physics you don't know, which is fine. Not needs to know physics, but like not knowing that rockets work via Newton's third law via reaction forces. It just indicates to me that you're not going to teach me anything about physics here. There's nothing that you could say right now that would be news to me. So, why do you think that when I tell you that pulsars don't knock that you're going to give me some new information that I've never heard before?
>> So, what what I'm I'm what I'm coming to tell you basically is I'm I explain it to you like Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam he explained it to to like a normal Joe average Joe. So to explain it to you in your terms in your high technology and your the what how you live like on this current times and like what you've studied I just have to find the matches to it. So I'm trying to give you examples of other things that are similar to it so you can connect the basis. So like if >> you know Christians make claim >> but give me a second. So if I was able, if I had a very long loud voice and a strong voice, would that voice be able to hold an object down or p bring an object up?
>> No.
>> Can you lift an object with sound? Is that what you're asking?
>> Yes.
>> I mean, >> not with a single source. You can't.
>> Not with a single source.
>> Multiple sources, right?
>> You Yeah. If you form a hemisphere with um with microphones or with speakers, you can do sonic levitation.
>> Okay.
>> So, would that kind of act like gravity?
>> No, it's completely unrelated.
>> Why?
>> Behaves in a completely different way.
>> Explain to me the difference if you can.
I guess one is levitation. This is all you blitz.
>> One is levitation. The other is one is levitation caused by pressure differentials that cause standing waves.
The other is uh geodistic distances changing as a result of the presence of mass causing the effects that we call gravity. Like they're just different things, >> right? Let me ask.
>> They're not related at all. They're in common.
If I flip the levitation unit and I put the the the the object on the ground, would it be harder to pick up the object?
>> Yeah, sure.
>> Okay. So, right now as gravity, it's harder for us to get up, right? Because of gravity. We would be floating away if it wasn't for gravity.
>> So, because wait, sorry. So just because sound can produce a force on something and we often describe gravity as a force doesn't mean that they have anything in common.
>> That would be like saying that a spring is the same thing as gravity because springs apply forces.
>> No. So what I what I'm coming to you at is that they're different wavelengths.
They're both the same wavelength. So, one is on a higher frequency and one's on a lower frequency.
>> No, no, no. This has nothing to do with wavelengths.
>> So, let let me let me explain it to you like this. Okay.
>> This has nothing to do with frequency.
>> Okay.
>> Gravitational fields are not gravitational fields like the earth is static. It's not a wave.
>> Okay. Well, with the pulser star, you said some of them are waves, correct?
with some gravity pulls their waves in the recent study with liger >> the gravitational field of a pulsar is essentially constant >> but so with ligar they they proved in South America or I I don't know exactly where they got a piece probably because they proved that gravity was a wave >> it's called LIGO and it's a >> it's called LIGO and it's in Louisiana not South America >> they have different locations. But maybe I'm wrong.
>> I I think he location South America.
>> I think so.
>> Um what they showed is that gravity can take on wavelike behavior. These are called gravitational waves. But the gravity that the earth produces, the gravity that pulsars produce, the gravity that black holes produce, these are just static gravitational configurations. There's no waves happening at all. Okay. So, these different stars are located in different areas. Correct.
>> And they're pushing stars, >> right?
They're different starsational pushes pushes towards the earth. Correct.
>> Gravity gravity doesn't push. Gravity pulls.
>> Okay. So, they they Okay. So, the gravity pulls.
Okay.
So with the sun pulling us the sun is pulling us in correct >> and that's why we're rotating.
>> Is that correct?
>> Y orbiting. Is there a gravit of a gravitate is there another separate force gravitational force that's pushing us pushing the earth and spinning it?
>> Do you mean why does the earth like spin about its axis like every 24 hours? Is it because of another gravitational pu push?
>> No, that's not that has nothing to do with gravity.
>> No, no, it's just conservation of angular momentum.
>> So, is it because of the >> Because when it formed it was spinning.
>> So, there's nothing that continues.
>> The sun spins for the same reason that the earth spins. The sun spins for the same reason that the earth spins in that the cloud of gas and dust that formed the solar system was spinning.
Okay.
Okay.
So whenever now I want you to think of this. Okay. We drop the sun that weighs huge amount and we drop an earth nearby in in the water. What's going to happen is the sun is going to pull the earth closer until it comes together. Correct.
in the why are they in the water?
>> Well, because why I say we're in the water? Okay, because I want you to think about the vacuum that it that is that we're that you're that we're looking at the space is similar to the water. And why I say it's similar to the water, >> but it's not similar to the water.
>> Okay, so let me explain to you why I say it's similar to the water.
>> Like they have nothing in common.
>> They what what is the difference? Like let let's just put the traits. What is the traits of the vacuum and what is the traits of the water?
>> Almost by definition a vacuum has no traits.
>> Okay. But why does light and gravity waves >> literally be the absence of water?
>> Yeah. But light is light has to travel on something. Correct.
>> It travels through electromagnetic fields. These are not substances.
>> Fields. Okay. So electric magnetic fields. Okay. Electricity like we know electricity is a wave. So if I'm trying to send you >> No, it's not.
>> How is electricity not a wave? Can you explain to me that?
>> So many 911s in one.
>> DC currents. I know DC currents are static.
They are [clears throat] not oscilly.
They have no frequency.
>> Okay. So let's >> speaking of alternating current.
No, no, no. DC current as well. DC alternating >> is a voltage. It has speed. Yes. Then DC then electricity is not a wave because DC current is not >> let me say this.
>> Voltage Voltage is a potential. It's a potential. It's not a wave.
>> Okay. So, let let me >> It's a like a force.
>> So, how does our how does our wireless network work?
>> Oh god.
>> The electromagnetic waves. That's Wi-Fi.
>> Electric magic.
>> So, light is a wave.
Yeah, light is a wave.
>> Okay. Now, how about electromagnetic electricity like the the we have a wave spectrum, right? When you look at this like >> So, just like how gravitational waves [clears throat] just like how gravitational waves are a are the phenomenon of gravity taking on a waveform, but not all gravity is a wave.
Electromagnetic waves are the electromagnetic phenomena taking on a wave form. But not all electricity is a wave.
Okay.
Okay. Sounds good. So water when we go look at the ocean, is it always waves?
Is it always waves?
>> There probably is always waves. But >> no, not always.
>> Yeah.
>> No, but can't water be still? I mean, the reason the ocean isn't >> flat glass is because there's other objects acting upon it.
>> Exactly. That's the same thing with our our environment that we're facing right now. But we're not seeing these these these actions applied on it except the moon.
>> So, what about this? What about >> the rotation of the Earth?
>> Yeah, there you go.
>> What about this sonic pulsation of the Earth >> tectonic plates? I mean there are things acting on the water making it move >> the sun the wind.
>> Yeah. So so is there is the effect like for instance if a black hole or the pulser star doesn't have effect on our our environment at all.
>> Oh no they are much too far away.
Their constant forces don't affect our environment at all because LIGO could sense the not >> and they sense it across the whole like they they had a little tiny laser >> in a little area and they sensed it and they sensed just a >> so the laser wasn't tiny it was like 4 km long.
>> Yeah. So, do you know how small the movement was?
>> And by by the way, the what what LIGO detected is not just a black hole being a black hole or a pulsar being a pulsar.
They detected two black holes colliding with each other. And that will have a tiny tiny tiny but measurable effect on us.
>> Okay. So, let's let's say this. All right. I'm going to I'm going to say this. Okay. [snorts] Our atom what is the size of our atom?
Atoms are about a tenth of anime across.
>> Tenth tenth. There's tons of little tiny atoms. Correct.
>> Yeah.
>> And they make us our human, our human self. Correct.
>> So some little effect on a multitude of high scale could affect us significantly. Correct?
>> No. See, here's the thing. The effect from the the the kind of effect that LIGO detected was wouldn't even affect a single atom. That's how small it was.
>> Yes. Well, because the thing is we we we haven't even be able to detect. This is our first time even just detecting gravity. Correct. And that was because this was just such a strong >> No, we've we've been detect No, we've been detecting gravity since like humans came dropped down from the trees, you know.
>> Yeah. Detecting gravity is because of the drop of apple or however the story they explain. But let me explain it to you like this. Okay. So the black think the black a black hole colliding is like a big massive event. Correct.
>> So that would cause massive if you're if you're talking about tsunami when a tsunami hits >> we're definitely going to detect a tsunami but we're not going to detect little tiny waves in the ocean. Correct.
>> Do you know how tin do you know how tiny the effect was from the two black holes colliding?
>> Yeah but two black holes is >> it wouldn't even affect a single atom.
>> I know. Do you know how tiny the effect was?
I understand man that this is this is beh this this is not a rhetorical question. Do you know the answer?
>> Do you know the answer?
>> No, I don't know the answer.
>> So over a 4 km distance that 4 km shrunk in length by something about 110,000th the width of a proton.
>> Okay.
So we're talking >> let me >> 10 the minus 20 m shorter compared to 4 km that's how small the effect is.
>> Let me ask you this. If I'm if I'm sitting in space and I can I see the waves of the ocean?
>> Probably not. I mean with a telescope you probably could.
>> With a telescope you probably could, but probably not.
>> Could I maybe see a tsunami? Would it be much more >> zombies are actually like not really >> but it would be like depending on how the scale of it would be much more apparent. So you're talking about a black hole colliding two black holes these are big objects correct >> it's going to make a much bigger >> sign right that we can in that we had why did we have to stretch it four kilometers because the laser had to be so tiny >> to reach it. So the thing had to be so much bigger.
>> The laser is huge. The laser size is huge.
>> The laser the laser is huge. But why did it have to stretch for 4 km?
>> Because they needed to because the effect is tiny.
>> Because the effect is tiny. Exactly. So now think about the gravitational pulls.
Even if it was even tinier.
>> Oh, does that make sense?
>> But Muhammad Muhammad, here's the thing.
>> Does that make sense?
>> Here's the thing. Single stars.
>> Yeah, except you're wrong. Single stars don't give off gravitational waves.
>> No, it's okay. Okay. So, uh so uh alhamdulillah I I understand what you're trying to say, the knowledge that you have, but I'm just trying to explain to you where you you don't you might see the tsunami, but you don't see the other effects of other gravity. So what I'm trying to explain to you is that the vacuum that we're looking at >> No, no. We know that we know that regular stars don't give off No, no, no.
This is something that we know for a fact. We know that single stars don't give off gravitational waves. We know that colliding stars do. And the reason we know this is because it was predicted by Albert Einstein and then confirmed by all of the experiments in the last 100 years.
Okay, >> we know that single stars don't give off gravitational waves. This is a fact.
>> This is Dr. >> Dr. Blitz. Um, how does it feel to be talked to like a living chat GPT?
>> Okay.
>> U, honestly, it's been better.
>> Yeah, I know. Alhamdulillah.
>> Have you considered it? Maybe you should turn your diploma in and take lessons from Muhammad.
Seems like a good idea.
>> Suffice it to say, pulsars don't knock.
>> Okay.
>> And and neither does the star in the Quran.
>> Do you want to go do the emology?
Embryology.
>> No, it's 11:30. I was supposed to stop debating at 11:00, but this has been this has been the absolute train wreck I couldn't look away from, so I had to keep it going. Um, but we'd love for you to come back Friday night. It's Wednesday night right now, right? We'd love for you to come back Friday night.
Maybe at a earlier time period we can have a longer conversation.
>> Okay. Um, I'll try to to be honest with you. Um, Friday is a little difficult sometimes for me. Um, but I'll try.
>> Well, I'll be here Wednesday again next week and Monday. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. [clears throat] I have to do it a little later because I go to like I go to five I pray five times a day uh at the mosque. So after the mosque I'll try to come um and uh talk to you. I appreciate yall's time.
>> Okay. Love to hear from you.
>> Yeah. Thanks for being cordial. It was interesting.
>> Yeah. I really appreciate your time.
Have a great day, guys.
>> Cheers.
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