Islam, the Great War and Beyond Sheikh Imran N. Hosein at U.W.I Trinidad (2019)

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[00:00:16]Your Excellency, the High Commissioner of Nigeria, uh members of the diplomatic corps, other distinguished guests and particularly um our distinguished speaker, Master Immran Hussein, and members of his family, especially his daughter who is with us this afternoon.

[00:00:39]Um, ladies and gentlemen, members of the UWI community, including my colleague, Professor Dukaran, it's my pleasure to welcome all of you this afternoon to this lecture.

[00:00:56]Uh, my name is Jessica Byron. I am the director of the Institute of International Relations and it is a great pleasure to see many of you who have not who may not have visited us for a while or previously to welcome you this afternoon. Um we are particularly delighted to have Master Hos Imran Hussein with us. um not only because he is a very outstanding Islamic scholar but because he's also an alumnus of the institute. He was he studied here studied international relations here in the diploma program um some years ago and it is always a great pleasure to um maintain contact and to be and to welcome our alumni again. Um the institute benefits greatly from a wide very wide network of past students and from enjoying a very cordial relationship with these past students and um we have been trying to renew our contact with as many of our past students as possible. Um it really enriches us intellectually and in terms of just renewing our community to get feedback and to get um intellectual and other contributions and support to the institute from our alumni. So we are extremely delighted to have this presentation this afternoon.

[00:02:49]Also, it is on a very interesting topic.

[00:02:53]We try to expose our students and the general community to as wide and as diverse an array of topics and of perspectives on international politics and on international society as possible. That is our mission.

[00:03:14]And um I think that we all will learn a tremendous amount and gain new insights into our global community, into the past and into the future of international relations from our talk this afternoon.

[00:03:34]So without any more ado, I'd like to repeat my pleasure and um my welcome to Master Imran Hussein and I'll call upon uh Professor Dukaran to properly introduce him. Thank you very much.

[00:04:07]Thank you very much uh Professor Byron and may I at the old set say how pleased I am that at very short notice um the director was able to put this on the agenda of the institute and I very happy that it has taken place and your excellency it's a pleasure I knew many of your predecessors over years have always had great relationship with Nigeria. So I'm pleased to to also acknowledge your your presence here to some extent. Today is a very significant intellectual day for us. But it all started really in the early upbringing of our dear guest speaker today Imran Hussein who grew up in Shaguades and more specifically in St. Thomas village, a small village in Shaguades and he was commenting to me about the demise of the Shaguades prefut um government school which he attended. Um subsequently to that upbringing which was a seat of intellectual discourse um in that part of the country um between many leading persons in the field of religious thought and field of politics.

[00:05:35]Um and I myself at one stage was involved in the in in that aspect uh or that part of the country. Um but I first met him um when there was a proposal to establish an Islamic bank in Trinidad and Tobago and I knew very little about it uh about the principles and aligning such an institution and I somehow was led to a discussion with him uh on the principles of Islamic banking uh which I learned a lot. uh but then subsequently that proposal this was where I was uh in my duty in the central bank of Trinidad and Tobago. Uh and later on he invited me to a symposium right here at the University of the West Indies which he had organized on the issue of monetary policy for the world.

[00:06:31]And I realized there and then that we had a thinker um who was prepared to to think beyond what exists into what could exist in the field in which I had uh areas of responsibility.

[00:06:50]But that was not all. Much later on I I realized that uh this ability to have such a scholar um had started right here as as professor Byron said at the University of the West Indies at the Institute of International Relations and over the years I had met many colleagues who had shared that experience with um Imran Hussein during his stay here and it is always a great um opportunity as professor Baron said to to keep a link with those who have started their intellectual or I should say educational career right here at the University of the West Indies.

[00:07:34]He subsequently had a great uh career in the world of academia um studying a number of different things at very prestigious institutions um in Egypt. Um it's all in in the brochure that you have before you in Pakistan uh and as well as of course in Switzerland where he attended the graduate school of international studies associated with this institute. So when you look at his credentials, you'll see someone who has had fundamental exposure to the world of international relations, to the world of diplomacy, and to the world of international politics. And even from that point of view, we need to be very grateful that we have been able to have him here to share some of his thoughts that he have acquired over these many years.

[00:08:36]But recently when I rem him because he's in and out of Trinidad um he was able to to give me a list of some of the books that he has written because he has developed himself in a widely acclaimed manner as an Islamic scholar and an Islamic scholar of of great repute and I looked at some of the books Jerusalem in the Quran um dreams in Islam, money in Islam and the Quran in the great war and the west uh among others. So he is a prolific writer. He has done a lot and he's in great demand and in my discussions with some of his colleagues I understand it is very difficult um to get him to find the time in his sour I think it's in Malaysia and elsewhere um to to talk to audiences and he's in great demand to do so. So we are very fortunate that we have this Islamic scholar with that that great uh background um to share with us some of the Jews.

[00:09:51]But before I came here and after after professor Byron asked me to just say a few words of introduction and I looked at this topic that he is talking about which which of course is is a very important topic but one that is not going to end today is only going to expose some of the highlights the great war and beyond. I just came from a conference of my own um in which the the the theme of that conference was the quest to rescue our future. uh and I began to link I don't know what um Ibrahim Hussein is going to say but I began to link this to the theme of this conference that I attended which was the quest to rescue our future and in that conference um which was actually promoted by partly by by a foundation which is which is foundation to to rescue a future um operated out of Amsterdam in in Netherlands.

[00:10:57]and they gave me a book. I haven't been able to read the book, but I just wanted to read to you um what the book says about the state of that quest because I think it will give some kind of context in which the wider and the larger discussion is likely to take place here today. Um before embarking upon a search that will take us into the deep past We need to understand the secrets of social evolution that can explain the troublesome trajectory of humanity.

[00:11:36]Our first concern is to identify the core force that shapes the evolution and history.

[00:11:44]So in a very general sense what we're going to discuss um will come on that community of scholars who are trying to look for the quest as they call it to rescue the future. And in today's world, we have now on the agenda a whole new set of of issues that have emerged um in what is sometimes referred to as the postenic era and the shift in power relations and the the use of real ral politic in the conduct of international relations. So this is very timely for us to share the views of an Islabic scholar. But I think he's much more involved in in an understanding of the comp contemporary world order. uh and I hope we can get around to getting his views on how he sees the contemporary world order and some of the new forces uh that are at play in trying to make determination as to where we are heading uh in the context of of this uh trust for the future. So it is indeed a great pleasure to to to introduce someone of that standing both in terms of his academic uh credentials and equally important in terms of his professional and scholarly work and his writings to us to to join with us and to share with us his thoughts and this is my personal pleasure as someone who have grown to respect Imran Hussein highly as a thinker as someone who can provoke us into reopening our own hidden and comforted zone. I do respect him very much and I'm very pleased I Hussein that you have agreed to be here at your oblivator and that we are we have the benefit of sharing some time with you here this afternoon. So it's my pleasure to introduce you to the soldiers begin in the name of the one God.

[00:14:12]We praise him and we glorify him as he ought to be praised and glorified.

[00:14:23]And we pray for peace and for blessings on all his noble messengers on our father Adam and our father Abraham on Moses on Jesus and on his mother the blessed Virgin Mary and on the last of them all the blessed prophet Muhammad.

[00:14:50]I uh Mr. Chairman learned and distinguished um Mr. Winston Dukaran.

[00:15:04]Uh, Professor Jessica Byron, director of the Institute of International Relations, His Excellency, the Ambassador of Nigeria, my brothers and sisters, and the learned scholar of Islam who is with us here today. Uh, good afternoon to all of you.

[00:15:26]Uh I was a student here 47 years ago and uh it was an exciting year to have men like professor Leslie Manigat of Haiti and Dr. Neville Linton of Guyana and Bernard C. Let me not leave out that Caribbean in establishing this institute and to have such kind of professors who taught me here. I came to the institute after having graduated with a master's degree in philosophy and also having graduated in Islamic studies. And when I brought religion and philosophy into the the classroom of international relations, it was exciting.

[00:16:27]I came back in 1986 when my younger sister was here tyoon Stewart and I was invited to address the students and now after 33 years it is very nostalgic to be here again and I thank uh Dr. Mr. to Quran for his kind intervention which caused this lecture to be arranged and professor Jessica Byron for her kind invitation to address you today on the subject uh which is a subject of not only great importance but increasing importance day by day Venezuela is just 9 miles away Islam the great war and beyond and Islamic esqueological analysis of the third great war and of the events which will follow that war. I wish I could just jump into the subject because I assure you it is exciting but we have some preliminary work to do. So bear with me for a little while.

[00:17:41]What is esquetology?

[00:17:46]uh it is a branch of religious knowledge which studies and explains the end times or the proper the the signs of the end times.

[00:18:01]Uh but I excuse me.

[00:18:08]I would like to offer an additional definition that branch of religious knowledge which offers a road map to the end of history.

[00:18:25]And uh when we speak or when we introduce you to the end of history, we are now in the philosophy of history.

[00:18:38]And I was very fortunate as a student at the Almia Institute of Islamic Studies that I had an eminent scholar who taught me the philosophy of history as a student of Islam.

[00:18:57]And uh it is that study of the philosophy of history which has now come to help me to pioneer uh this branch of knowledge which did not exist in Islam before and I can't understand why it did not that Christianity had esquetology as an established branch of knowledge and so to Judaism but not in Islam and this is why I'm grateful that I did not publish my PhD thesis I did not defend it in Geneva because if I had done that I would be embarrassed today you cannot write a thesis this on postc caliphate Islam and the search for a new Islamic public order without esquetology and I didn't have esquetologology and the director of the graduate institute in Switzerland professor framore said to me Imran I'll be your thesis director I don't know the subject you go find someone and there was no one there was no It is a new branch of knowledge and uh it is the philosophy of history which has come to help me. What is the end of history? Francis Fukuyama startled the world in the 1990s with his thesis on the end of history.

[00:20:29]And I want to quote from him.

[00:20:36]He said the end of history.

[00:20:46]It was called the end of history. and the last man and it was published in 1992 by Francis Fukuyama and it expanded on his essay on the end of history.

[00:21:02]It was published in the international affairs journal, the national interest. And in that book, Fukoyama argued that following the ascendancy of Western style liberal democracy, following the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union, that humanity was reaching quote not just the passing of a particular period of post-war history, But the end of history as such that is the end point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of western liberal democracy as the final form of human government.

[00:22:00]He derived his thought from the German philosopher of history Frederick Hegel and to some extent also from KL Marx who had this theory of the evolutionary growth of history and at the last is the best.

[00:22:19]But long before Fukayama offered this arrogant view of the status and the role of modern western civilization in the movement of history that every civilization that came to the world before modern western civilization is now obsolete like your old laptop. up and belong to the museums of history.

[00:22:54]That's the arrogance and that modern western civilization constitutes the end of history. Nothing more than this to come. This is the best.

[00:23:08]I remember the calypsonian, the best calypso I've ever heard. His name was uh King Austin and he sang you this is progress.

[00:23:26]How long will it last?

[00:23:31]There are calypsonians who see with two eyes and King Austin was one of them. But long before Fukuyama, there was Arnold Toinby, the British historian. And I want to recommend to you that you read his book, Civilization on Trial. I read it as a student and I benefited from it. It was written in the 1940s perhaps.

[00:24:01]And in that book, he was a historian and a philosopher of history.

[00:24:07]And in that book he had the intellectual courage perhaps because he was a practicing Christian to recognize that western arrogance when he declared quote Europeans have regarded themselves as the chosen people of the Lord God.

[00:24:33]The chosen people are people who believe that they have a birthight of superiority over others. Professor Leslie Manikat in this classroom I would remember him for two hours he'd be lecturing with fire in his heart and he referred to this as jingoism that they believe that they are the elite of mankind and we are the natives and Lord God has created them with a mission of civilizing Yes. So tobby said Europeans have regarded themselves as a chosen people in consequence of which non European humanity was considered to possess a birthight of inferiority.

[00:25:33]This is what really implies when a people are described as the gentile people. He showed some insight into the subject of the emergence of a global society and world government when he declared since the year 1500.

[00:26:00]Mankind has been gathered into a single worldwide society.

[00:26:06]From the dawn of history to about that date, the earthly home of man had been divided into many isolated mansions and I would say splendidly so that diversity was an asset and not a liability.

[00:26:30]But since the year 1500, the human race has been brought under one roof.

[00:26:40]Listen to his words. Quote, it's frightening to listen to this.

[00:26:48]He recognized the actor who was bringing all of mankind under one roof, of course, to be modern western civilization.

[00:26:56]And he says it is aiming at nothing less than the incorporation of all of mankind into a single great society and with control over everything on the earth in the air and in the sea.

[00:27:15]He recognized that globalization to have a political agenda.

[00:27:21]And he says the world is now on the eve of being unified politically by one means or another. All of these quotes are taken from civilization and trial by analy. The view of Judaism, of Christianity, and of Islam is that history began with truth and the history will end with the validation of truth and that the movement of history is from truth to truth. that there is a connection between beginning and end. And Islam has disposed of that arrogant claim of a birthight of superiority of any people over other people. When our prophet declared that all of mankind will stand before the Lord God on judgment day as equal in his sight are the teeth of a comb and so much therefore for the claim to be a chosen people.

[00:28:54]The Jewish view of the movement of history is that history commenced with a golden age in which the prophets of God, Abraham and Moses, paved the way for David and Solomon. and Allah's blessings be upon them and for the state to be established and that politics and the rule of law and governance was based on truth and that holy Israel which was established with Jerusalem as its capital was a ruling state in the world and the Israelite people ruled the world.

[00:30:04]That was the golden age.

[00:30:10]But then history witnessed a mysterious and enigmatic collapse that they cannot understand to this day when holy Israel collapsed.

[00:30:28]But then came a promise, a divine promise of a Messiah who will come and who will bring back the golden age and that Israel will be restored and it will once again be the ruling state in the world and the Israelite people who now called Jews would then rule the world. And so this is a messianic interpretation of history and a messianic end of history.

[00:31:09]And so they are excited now that they have returned to the Holy Land after being in exile for 2,000 years.

[00:31:22]And no political scientist can survive without addressing that subject. After 2,000 years, not only have they returned to reclaim a holy Jerusalem, but a state of Israel has been restored in the Holy Land, and that Israel appears poised to achieve even greater heights.

[00:31:51]And so they are anticipating now a return of the golden age.

[00:31:58]The Christian view of the historical process is that history commenced in the very same way with that golden age.

[00:32:12]But that the the the golden age continued beyond the collapse of holy Israel to that point in time when the son of Mary appeared and claimed to be the Messiah.

[00:32:31]And then he left.

[00:32:34]But he'll come back.

[00:32:39]And when he comes back, that will be the re realization of the golden age with which history will end.

[00:32:51]The Jewish view is that he was not the Messiah.

[00:32:56]And the Jews therefore are still waiting for the Messiah to come. And they are anticipating that since they have returned to the holy land, they've reclaimed Jerusalem and they have restored the state of Israel which is about points for greater heights that the Messiah must be around the corner.

[00:33:19]The Islamic view of the end of history is that history commenced in exactly the same way.

[00:33:28]But that the golden age extended beyond the time of the Messiah, the son of Mary to include the last of all the prophets, namely prophet Muhammad Allah bless be upon him and that the Messiah came and he left and that he will return.

[00:33:59]But that prior to his return, history is going to be taken for a ride and that appearance and reality in the historical process are going to be quite different from each other, which King Austin could recognize, but Chas could not recognize in the worst Calypso ever s when he lambasted Sat Narin Maraj the worst calypso ever sung and the sha sparrow of course never rose to those heights. If you catch them broken you can get it all for nothing.

[00:34:44]Oh yes, King Austin.

[00:34:49]appearance and reality are going to be different from each other in the historical process because the Lord God has chosen to create someone and to unleash him and his function would be to impersonate the Messiah.

[00:35:11]If he is to impersonate the Messiah and take them for a ride who rejected the true Messiah, then he will have to liberate the Holy Land.

[00:35:22]He will have to bring them back to the Holy Land to reclaim it as their own. He will have to restore a state of Israel in the Holy Land. It'll be an impostor state, but they won't recognize it. And he would have to cause that state of Israel to rule the world, which is why which is why they need the great war.

[00:35:48]It is when he has accomplished that mission and he declares that I am the Messiah, but he's not the son of Mary.

[00:35:56]Only at that time would the Messiah return and dispose of him.

[00:36:02]This is both Islam and Christianity. But says Islam at that time, those who truly follow the Messiah, the son of Mary, would be blessed by the Lord God to be raised to a place and a status of dominance over those who rejected him.

[00:36:44]And when there is, this is the true Christian, not the one who follows Santa Claus, not the one who declares that a man can marry another man and get a marriage certificate. the true Christian that when they raised to that position of dominance, political dominance, military dominance in the world, they will remain in that position of dominance until the end of the world.

[00:37:20]Who are those Christians with whom Christ with whom history will end? And they'll be the ones at the dominant force in the world and the world which follows prophet Muhammad Allah's blessing be upon him with friends and allies of those Christians.

[00:37:44]So I presented to you briefly this Jewish conception of the historical process and the end of history Christian conception and our Islamic conception.

[00:37:56]So we can move on.

[00:38:00]Our prophet Islamic esquetology comes from the Quran.

[00:38:07]Whenever I quote from the Quran I have to speak in Arabic because it cannot be translated.

[00:38:12]So I have to simply give you an explanation of the verse because I cannot translate the verse and there's no sense in quoting the Arabic but with the word of the prophet is different. I can give you a translation of what he said. So he's speaking to one of his companions and he said to them said to him and this is a timeline of events at the end of history that when Jerusalem is center stage built up using the analogy of construction that when Jerusalem is center stage and now it is beingreed recently recognized as the the capital of Israel.

[00:39:00]Then Yatre which is a city north of Mecca where the prophet Allah blessing be upon him died and was buried. He migrated there. Now it's called Medina would be in fullon desolation playing absolutely no role on the stage of the world at that time. He said look for the next thing which will be the great war.

[00:39:24]In Christian esquetology, it's known as Armageddon and in Islamic esquetology, it's known as Malama.

[00:39:35]I would hopefully find some time to speak some more about what's going to happen in the great war.

[00:39:45]When the great war takes place, however, interesting things will happen after that.

[00:39:53]He said after the great war the next event to take place would be the conquest of Constantinople.

[00:40:04]I started lecturing on this subject in 2011 on the prophesied conquest of Constantinople in the end time but the the Islamic university in Malaysia and suddenly I found myself on a collision course with Turkey and with the Turkish Muslims. There were five or six Turkish professors in the gathering there and they didn't like my lecture at all because they said that the conquest of Constantinople prophesied by the prophet took place in 1452 when the Ottoman army under the leadership of the Sultan Muhammad Fate conquered Constantinople.

[00:40:56]And I said to myself, but wait a minute.

[00:40:59]The conquest of Constantinople prophesied by the prophet takes place after the great war. The great war has not taken places as yet. And they didn't like that at all.

[00:41:10]And I asked myself why why is the conquest of Constantinople so important?

[00:41:19]Why was the name changed from Constantinople in Arabic Constantinia to Istanbul? Why were you prohibited from using the name Constantinople?

[00:41:32]Why did Mustapa Kamal act like this?

[00:41:37]I thought first of all in 2011 that maybe maybe it's because of NATO's control over Constantinople because Turkey is a member of NATO and if you conquer Constable you could take NATO and move it aside.

[00:41:59]But after some time I realized no Imran there's more to the subject than that.

[00:42:05]And that took me to Haga Sophia.

[00:42:11]And that took me to the role of the Ottoman Empire in political history and religious history. I had been an admirer of the Ottoman Empire. And then I realized as King Austin realized that appearance and reality were different from each other.

[00:42:29]and that the Ottoman Empire had played a sinister role in history in sabotaging something, attempting to sabotage something.

[00:42:38]That the actual significance implication of a conquest of Constantinople after the great war was because it was meant to respond to what happened to Haga Sophia. What is Hagi Sophia?

[00:43:00]Haga Sophia is about to be catapulted to the center of international relations. Oh yes.

[00:43:12]When Dr. Go and I had a a discussion maybe two or three weeks ago. Uh we looked in the attack in New Zealand on the two massaged and the link between that attack in New Zealand and Haga Sophia that he had published a manifesto before going to the masid to do what he did.

[00:43:41]And interestingly, if 50 people were killed, there should be 50 funerals.

[00:43:47]We're looking for the confirmation that there were 50 funerals.

[00:43:56]He the the man who attacked the massaged in New Zealand was demanding the return of Haga Sophia to the Christian world and demanding that Constantinople be returned to the Christian world in 1452.

[00:44:20]I knew nothing of the oldest history until I were brought to esquetology brought me to it.

[00:44:28]In 1452, the Ottoman army defeated and conquered Constantinople.

[00:44:36]And the very first thing that the Ottoman Sultan did when he entered Constantinople was to take the greatest cathedral of the Christian world which had function as the greatest cathedral for 1,000 years.

[00:45:01]It's like Barbrey in India.

[00:45:04]parallel between Constantinople and Barbrey in India.

[00:45:11]And he converted this cathedral to a masid.

[00:45:17]And for 600 years, the world of Islam was fed with this brainwashing that the Ottoman Sultan was entitled to do what he did because of Islamic law.

[00:45:35]And our response is the wrong methodology.

[00:45:39]Islamic law is derived primarily from the Quran and therefore it cannot be in conflict with the Quran. And the Quran has not only prohibited you from changing the status of a church or a temple or a synagogue but it done more than that.

[00:45:59]It has asked the Muslim to fight to fight to protect the Christian church and cathedral and Jewish synagogue. This is surah Hajj of the Quran.

[00:46:16]And what the Ottoman Sultan did therefore was in flagrant and manifest conflict with the Quran. And the Turkish people are very very angry to hear that if I go to Turkey today, they might shred me to bits because it is too great a shock for them after 600 years of brainwashing.

[00:46:41]Secondly, Constantinople was marooned in 1452.

[00:46:49]The patriarch, the Orthodox Christian Patriarch had lost all his territories and was maron in the city and he had only about 8 or 9,000 men to defend the city.

[00:47:04]The Ottoman Sultan had an army surrounding the city with 200,000 men.

[00:47:12]The Orthodox patriarch wanted peace and he appealed to the Ottoman army to allow them to pay a tribute.

[00:47:25]The Quran says, listen carefully, the Quran says if the enemy seeks peace, you must reciprocate. You are not allowed to continue fighting against a people who want peace. This is plain and clear in the Quran. The Ottoman Sultan violated the command of the Lord Godard in the Quran by waging war on Constantinople until he was able to conquer it.

[00:48:02]When Constantinople was conquered and the cathedral was converted into a masid, what he did was to stab a dagger into the heart of the Orthodox Christian world and the wound is bleeding to this day.

[00:48:23]Why did he do this?

[00:48:27]The answer is that the Quran speaks about a time when Jews are going to be very the most hostile of all people to the Muslims.

[00:48:41]And the Quran speaks of another people who are founded on blasphemy, their civilization, who will also be waging war on Islam. War on Islam.

[00:48:52]But at that time, says the Quran, there will be a Christian people who would be closest in love and affection to Muslims.

[00:49:03]And the Quran tells us how you can identify them. Number one, that they proclaim that they are Christians. Their primary identity is their faith, their religious faith.

[00:49:16]They're not a secularized people. They're proud to be Christian.

[00:49:22]They wear it as their badge. Number two, that the institution of the priesthood is still intact amongst them. And the priest has a a very high status in society. Number three, they have the institution of monasticism, the monastery, the monastic way of life amongst them. There are lot of people who sell their monastery to McDonald's and bugs. And number four, they're not an arrogant people. That they are not an arrogant people. If you want to rule the world, that Venezuela must bend its knee to you. That China must bend its knee to you. That Russia must bend its knee to you. That all of mankind must bend their knees to you, that you must rule, that's arrogance.

[00:50:12]But these are not an arrogant people.

[00:50:16]Who are these Christians who would be closest in love and affection to Muslims? I I said to Dr. Magu, one of the most important events of contemporary international relations is the alliance which has emerged between Russia and China.

[00:50:40]And that alliance emerged in consequence of the collapse of the Soviet Union that China he pointed out to me that between China and the Soviet Union there was a lot of disagreement and conflicts and so on. But once the Soviet Union collapsed and China saw that Russia was returning to its spiritual heart.

[00:51:09]Russia was returning to its Orthodox Christian identity and China recognized that the Orthodox Christian will never bend his knee before Washington. Never.

[00:51:26]Because when Constantinople was marooned, the patriarch in Constantinople appealed to Rome for help.

[00:51:38]And Rome declared, "We will help you on the condition that you will give up your Orthodox Christian faith and join our Western Christian faith."

[00:51:48]And the Orthodox Christian world replied, "We prefer the turban of the Sultan to the hat of the cardinal. We prefer to be slaves of the Muslims than to be your slave."

[00:52:06]So, China recognized that this is a Russia returning to its Orthodox Christian roots and therefore we can trust them that they will not betray us. And so, Russia and China have now established an alliance which is the most important event in contemporary international relations.

[00:52:28]It is this alliance which has given China the strength and the courage to mount an attack on the monetary imperism of the west and China is succeeding in that initiative occurs which is destabilizing the west monetary.

[00:52:47]The other amazing event about to occur in international relations is a second alliance which is our subject today.

[00:53:00]And that second alliance will come about between the world of Islam and that part of the Christian world which doesn't follow Santa Christ which follows Jesus and Russia leads that part of the Christian world.

[00:53:17]and Constantinople is what stands in the way.

[00:53:22]So then I realized that the conquest of constant this is the most exciting part of today's lecture not so much the war that the conquest of Constantinople in the end time by a Muslim army not a Christian army prophesied by the prophet Allah's blessing be upon him is meant to open the way to correct the wrong which was done in 1452 and to return her gear Sophia to the Christian world.

[00:54:00]This is your cathedral to apologize to them what happened and to restore the name of the city to the name which is used by the prophet himself namely Constantinople.

[00:54:17]Since 2011, I have been working very hard in the Orthodox Christian world.

[00:54:22]Spent more time there than the in Africa. I've not gone to Africa. And wherever I've gone in the Orthodox Christian in Moscow particularly and in um Belgrade and because of the internet, the Orthodox Christian world is now changing.

[00:54:42]They hated Islam. Oh yes, they hate it.

[00:54:45]They despise Islam because of the the atrocities of the Ottoman Empire. And now to hear this view of Islam that this is what the prophet declared and this is going to happen and the president of Turkey cannot stop it. That's why we now hearing views that they want to reopen Haga Sophia as a mid but he can't do that because if he does that he going to be in collision with Russia.

[00:55:15]And so immediately that the great war takes place within a short period of time. One prophecy says 7 months, the other one says seven years. Uh this book of mines.

[00:55:33]I only have one copy with me. The Quran, the great war in the west. In this book, I have given the text that the conquest of Constantinople would take place soon after the great war. And once the conquest of Constantinople takes place and Haga Sophia is returned to the Orthodox Christian world and we apologize to them for what happened and the name of the city is restored to Constantinople and the Turkish government can't stop it.

[00:56:04]This will pave the way for reconciliation, friendship and alliance. A second alliance emerging after the first one, the alliance of Russia with China which is going to change the face of international relation. Before I end, let's return to the great war.

[00:56:29]What's going to happen in the great war?

[00:56:31]There is an entire surah or chapter of the Quran which if read correctly, you need proper methodology would allow you to recognize, prepare yourself for this.

[00:56:51]And this is my interpretation of the Quran that the Great Wall witnessed the end of the West.

[00:57:01]Whatever remains of the west after the great war will not be something of any significance. Now secondly not we leave the Quran now when we go to prophecies of prophet and this one connects with monetary economics.

[00:57:26]He prophesied, excuse me, that the river Euphrates, which is in Iraq, will uncover a mountain of gold, a mountain of gold from underneath the river.

[00:57:50]And the people will fight for the gold.

[00:57:55]And the 99 of every 100 who fight for the mountain of gold.

[00:58:01]There is where I made my mistake. Who fight for the mountain of gold 99 out of every 100 would be killed.

[00:58:09]And each would say I will be the one who will survive. But the believers in the one God must not touch that goal.

[00:58:20]We have a Protestant version of Islam which argues the methodology is that if God and his prophet did not interpret, you are not allowed to interpret. And so they're waiting for a literal event to take place, namely a mountain of gold which has come out from the underneath the river.

[00:58:46]But there are others who say no we we follow a different methodology that we are entitled to interpret religious symbolism and this is symbolism that in 19 74 after the war of 1973 and the Arab embargo oil embargo on the United States and the price of Oil rising from $3 a barrel to 12 400% increase and the US dollar collapsing from 40 to 160 160 400% collapse in the value of the US dollar and the Arabs are celebrating we are four 400 times richer now it was at that moment that Henry Kissinger pulled the greatest greatest greatest stunt in human history. Never anyone had done it anything greater than this.

[00:59:55]And King Fa of Saudi Arabia didn't have more than excuse me peanuts in his head.

[01:00:03]So he didn't understand.

[01:00:05]Kissinger went to FA in the wake of the war and he said what you getting now is peanuts.

[01:00:13]All you have to do is to sell your oil for only US dollars.

[01:00:22]Even if they come with a mountain of gold to buy a barrel of oil, do not sell it.

[01:00:31]But this is a violation of the law of God.

[01:00:34]FA didn't understand.

[01:00:37]Fa accepted. He said, "If you agree to sell your oil for only US dollars, what you're getting now is peanuts." And Kissinger was correct.

[01:00:47]Fel fell for it. Saudi Arabia adopted the policy which is the greatest betrayal of religion of all religion to sell Saudi oil for only USD. got the other Arab oil producing countries on board and then got OPEC on board and that was when the US dollar became a petro dollar and Mr. Quran will know about this very well. This is his subject. That was the birth of the petrol.

[01:01:22]And I then said that an ocean of oil underneath the river had now begun to function as a mountain of gold.

[01:01:34]And this is the fulfillment of that prophecy. But they're going to fight for that mountain of gold. And that is bricks.

[01:01:43]That is bricks. You'll be familiar with bricks. And when the the Chinese offered to Saudi Arabia, we will buy your oil and pay for it with Chinese yuan.

[01:02:00]They're not violating the IMF. No.

[01:02:04]But we commit ourselves to redeem the Chinese UN for gold at the market price. They're not in violation of the IMF. No, the violation would occur if you begin to use gold as money. That's what the articles of agreement of the IMF have done. And so we now seeing the fight for the mountain of gold led by China, not by Russia.

[01:02:33]But Russia is standing militarily with China. That is why China has the strength to do what it's doing. And so we see the prophecy.

[01:02:43]If we interpret this prophecy that those who fight for the mountain of gold are going to be killed 99%.

[01:02:51]Then it means that one side of the of the war which is coming is going to suffer catastrophe loss which is what happens in nuclear war.

[01:03:01]But if we interpret the prophecy to mean that both sides are fighting for the mountain of gold, which I don't do, it means that after the great war, there'll be very little left.

[01:03:15]Now then, finally, why do they need the great war?

[01:03:22]It is only when I studied esquetology, Dr. Byron that I realized the genesis of Pax Britannica.

[01:03:38]I never understood Pax Britannica in the classroom while Leslie Manigette was teaching us.

[01:03:46]I never understood the movement or the transition from Pax Bitanica to Pax Americana and the obsession of both of them with Israel.

[01:03:57]Obsession.

[01:03:59]And only when I went to esquetology did I realize that there's a third part of the equation that Pax Britannica and Pax Americana were meant to prepare the way for Pax Juda for Pax Judea so that the state of Israel might rule the world. Israel is small. The world is big.

[01:04:27]United States is big.

[01:04:29]How can a small Israel rule a big world?

[01:04:32]Either that Israel has to become big or the world has to become small. Which one will it be?

[01:04:38]Which one will it be?

[01:04:42]Either that Israel has to become big or the world has to become small.

[01:04:49]Which one would it be? Now you can understand why they need the great war.

[01:04:56]It can start with an attack in Venezuela because Russia now has troops in Venezuela in a taking the Monroe doctrine and slapping it on his face for the first time in history.

[01:05:11]You'll be familiar with the Monroe doctrine as students of international relations. Or it could start in Korea. I don't know where it'll stand, but I do know that the big war is going to be concentrated in the Middle East.

[01:05:29]Pakistan is part of this equation because while Russia is a nuclear power and there's nothing they can do about that and China is a nuclear power and there's nothing they can do about that.

[01:05:45]But there's no Muslim, no part of the Muslim world which has that military power. Certainly not the Arab world and uh Pakistan's possession of a nuclear deterrence is a threat to them.

[01:05:59]And so while I have great respect for the Hindu religion and I have great admiration, I enjoyed traveling in India, my roots are from India.

[01:06:12]I have to recognize that the present Indian government is in league. Yes.

[01:06:18]With the oppressors of the world and that immediately the great war commences, one can close your eyes and anticipate that India in collaboration with Israel is going to launch an attack on Pakistan in order to seek to dnuclearize Pakistan. These are the gist of what I wanted to convey to you today. The subject is much bigger than this. But I do believe that I presented to you an Islamic esqueological explanation of the great war and of events which will follow the war in the question and answer session which now follow I may get a chance to expand.

[01:07:01]Thank you Dr. Baron.

[01:07:09]Thank you very much. Um, as Ian Hussein, you've certainly you've certainly laid the basis for a lot of questions.

[01:07:20]So, the floor is now open. Um, what I would ask is when you make a comment or ask a question, just say who you are and then ask a question uh or make a comment. Try not to make it too long so that we can get quite a lot in. We'll try to have about um well at least two rounds of questions.

[01:07:44]So, let's say we have four or five questions and then I'd allow the scholar to answer and then we have a second round. So, who would like to get the ball rolling?

[01:08:02]Yeah. Um, I see is was your hand up, Alicia? Okay. I think first and then over to you, sir.

[01:08:17]So uh good afternoon um Master Hussein. Yes. I want to first of all I'm Alisia Shepard. I um a past student of the institute. Um I'm now studying developmental statistics in Felicas. Um I want to first thank you for your presentation.

[01:08:39]Can you hear me? Oh great. Yes, I would like to first of all thank you for your presentation. I've learned quite a lot.

[01:08:47]Um, I have a question though which might not be of much significance but I I'm going to ask it nonetheless.

[01:08:56]I read just before I came to the um the presentation of um I think it's uh an article in the Davos um platform that at present in China there is a movement towards the more or less the ratification eratification of Islamic groups that have been strongholds. So, so it comes to me as quite a surprise when you said that um uh the connection between Russia and um and China is one of great significance especially in relation to Islam. So how would you merge what is happening with in in China and and and its relations with the Islamic communities and what you had said earlier >> the most one by one. Yes.

[01:10:05]the most important uh Muslim country uh close to that geographical region where we are told that these things are occurring is Pakistan.

[01:10:24]But Pakistan has had a very very long and very strong and intimate alliance. I think you have to call it an alliance with China and nothing has happened which has disturbed the relationship between Pakistan and China. There's absolutely no protest in Pakistan. No people seeking to get the Pakistani government to take up any issue with China and so on. And so it appears to be something of less than peripheral importance to our subject.

[01:11:03]My name is My name is Imtaz Ali. I am a retired person. I am now the imam of a small masjid in San Juan. Um Molana Sahib, you mentioned that the holy Quran talks about the great war will witness the end of the west and you quoted and you did not quote the verse of the verse or the chapter of the Quran.

[01:11:30]I told you that uh I am interpreting the Quran.

[01:11:38]Now that you have put me on the spot, well then I'm going to have to share with you.

[01:11:45]So you'll explain you know forgive me in surah is of the Quran which is number 17 at the end of the surah the Quran informs us we have a eminent Islamic scholar with us but I I prefer not to quote the Arabic that every that there's going to be punishment from the Lord God and every town and every city will be destroyed.

[01:12:25]And this will happen before the end of the world and those which escape destruction will be punished with great punishment.

[01:12:38]The Lord God governs with justice and would not destroy a people unjustly.

[01:12:48]Who are those then who deserve to be destroyed?

[01:12:53]And in surahman which is surah number 55 he comes back to the subject of that destruction and he says I'm going to deal with both of you who are laden with sin laden with sin.

[01:13:20]When we look at religious history, we see that there was divine destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

[01:13:30]Which part of the world today is leading the vanguard, the caravan for a man to marry another man and get a marriage certificate?

[01:13:40]>> It is the modern west.

[01:13:44]Secondly, he has declared war on the money lender.

[01:13:51]In the very last revelation of the Quran and I was explaining to Dr. Byron, I was arguing with Patricia uh Patricia Robinson in the classroom. Of course, it was a friendly give and take between.

[01:14:08]She was a dear teacher of mine. I loved her so much. Patricia Robinson, the wife of ANR Robinson.

[01:14:16]And I was trying to explain to her that no Shillock is a bad man. Yes. And lending and borrowing money and interest is destructive of the free and fair market. And she was arguing count but I can't give you my money free of charge.

[01:14:34]You got to pay for it.

[01:14:36]What I did not understand at that time to explain to her is that when money is lent on interest and borrowed on interest, when the economy is based on user that money will no longer circulate through the economy.

[01:14:56]No, money should not circulate only amongst the wealthy. No, that's command condemned in the Quran. But when the economy is based on usery, money will circulate circulate only amongst the wealthy and when the poor are relegated to permanent poverty as they were in Venezuela before Chavez.

[01:15:26]As they were in Venezuela before Chavez, let's not forget that.

[01:15:32]Then that's oppression.

[01:15:34]That's oppression. And the Lord God has declared in the Quran that he going to wage war. Who is the money end of the world today?

[01:15:43]When Pak Brikaniga came on the stage of the world.

[01:15:49]The Bank of England was established. Was it 1697?

[01:15:55]And the Bank of England and London became the money lending capital of the world.

[01:16:01]And when Pax Americana replaced Pax Britannica, the sterling barn gave way to the US dollar at Bretonwoods. That's the most important thing about Breton Woods and uh Washington and the American banking system became the money lenders par excellence of the world. So who are those who deserve to be destroyed?

[01:16:27]Not those who are borrowing the money and remaining in permanent permanent poverty like Pakistan but those who are lending the money. So the western world deserves they qualify eminently so to be destroyed.

[01:16:45]>> Next question.

[01:16:51]Well, while you're formulating your questions, there's one that I wanted to ask although it is not directly related to some of what you have said. Um there has been you mentioned you at some point you mentioned the the fall of the khalifhat in um in the Turkish khif and the Ottoman Empire. Now recently we have witnessed an attempt um in the case of ISIS and ISIL um dish to try to reestablish a khalifhat as as a form as the the most desirable form of state and I just wondered what you what is your view on that. Um I'd love to hear that. Well, I looked around and I saw that it was Santa Claus who was delivering all the weapons to them.

[01:17:53]Yes, Santa Claus was delivering all the weapons, state-of-the-art weapons to them.

[01:18:02]And Santa Claus was doing all the financing, of course, US dollars. One of them came here to Trinidad, went to Rio Claro with a briefcase filled with US dollars, which explains why so many of them left Trinidad. You don't need a PhD to understand that. Okay.

[01:18:24]I recognized it to be a bogus jihad religious war and I said long many moons ago I said if you go out there to fight in that so-called jihad and you are killed I will not pray over your body and I'll never stand it. You agree?

[01:18:47]That's right. So I don't recognize that as a valid bonafide effort to restore the caliphate. You cannot cannot cannot restore the caliphate when you study esquetology. And I've not taken you in this lecture. I've not treated the subject of the antichrist adequately.

[01:19:09]And I've not even touched on mag it will be too much for you.

[01:19:15]But these are these are very very important actors in the historical process but particularly at the end of history who occupy a very very important place in religious esquetology Christian Jewish and Muslim. So the caliphate cannot be restored. No the caliphate is not a unique institution in history. What the prophet David what David established in Jerusalem is what we call a state and they call it holy Israel is the same thing and the Quran says the definition of a state the definition is that rule is established governance is established the state law, the state of the the state of the the state craft on the basis of truth.

[01:20:21]So if you're a politician and you don't have truth at your foundations, you're in trouble because the Quran goes on to say particularly to the politician that if you turn away from truth to follow any other agenda then there is terrible punishment waiting for you because you forgot the day of accounts. I just want to take the subject of caliphate and put it in context. It's nothing new. It is the same system of state and government which came to the world with David and with Solomon. Allah's blessings be upon them.

[01:21:10]>> I think we have another question.

[01:21:15]>> Uh my name is Ishan Ali uh Musla. Asalam alalaykum. Um you have spoke about the orthodox where the origin of Christians will go back to the orthodox and merge as to be those supporting Muslims and uniting with them. Now we know in every great war we will have a leader to fight that war. The clarity of Imam Mahadi and the coming as they say who will be that leader to fight that war. Exactly you know what will be his position? What will be his authority into leading that war as we as they you know we we would hear about not introduce Im Mahi into this discussion.

[01:22:09]What the prophet said, Allah's blessings be upon him, you will conquer Constantinople.

[01:22:21]And he went on to praise the commander of that army. He did not identify him. And he went on to praise the army which will be a Muslim army. So I had to tell them that in Moscow it is you don't have to conquer Constantinople. We have to do it. If you attempt to conquer Constantinople is going to trigger off Muslim Christian warfare. It's like Iran trying to conquer Makkah. If Iran the Shia ever enter into the Arabian Peninsula with an armed force is going to trigger off Sunni Shia civil war in the world of Islam.

[01:23:02]So it is not a Christian Russian army which will conquer Constantinople. No, I had to tell him that in Mos it is a Muslim army which will do it. So I asked the question why is he praising the commander and why is he praising the army? It took a long time for me to recognize knowledge comes in bits and pieces. that I realized finally it is because they up to now they're beating the drums in Turkey and in the Balkans. Do you know the word Balkan? Balkcon. The Balkan would be Bosnia and Serbia and Montenegro and Albania and so on. These are called the Balkan countries. They are beating the drums up to this day celebrating what a wonderful army that was in 1452 which conquered Constantinople and what a great great great commander that was Sultan Muhammad Fati. They have movies about Sultan Muhammad Fati that this is the man identified by the prophet Allah's blessing be upon him. So because you are praising that army and you are praising that commander, he has praised this army and he has praised this commander.

[01:24:44]Um well Winston Dukan and I recollect you said Morana that the global liberal order um may be under some kind of I won't say review but some kind of undermining and there is a current debate that is taking place in western literature as to what will be the shape of this global liberal order in global politics in the future and whether the era of the hedgeimonyy is now gone for good and what would in fact replace this if anything at all and there are many thinkers who have suggested different formulations.

[01:25:31]I was wondering given your vast experience in understanding the forces of political order which you have expressed here today from a historical and religious um perspective. What are your thoughts on the emergence of a new grower order uh that will emerge in beyond uh the appearance of the world today is that we have moved away from slavery.

[01:26:14]Well, >> and we moving towards more and more freedom.

[01:26:20]We were a British colony, a crown colony. Then we got uh self rule in 1956 and then we became independent in ' 62 and so on. Then became a republic in ' 67 and we're moving in a direction of greater freedom.

[01:26:42]The reality is the opposite that we are on a path which is going to culminate with the greatest slavery of all.

[01:26:58]Israel and Pax Judeica cannot achieve the objective without enslavement of mankind.

[01:27:11]And the most dreadful form of slavery is intellectual slavery.

[01:27:20]It is when a people lose the capacity to think and before our very eyes now we seeing it that mankind is being sucked trapped in what may be described as the fast lane. You know the highway has a slow lane and a fast lane and so on in the middle lane.

[01:27:47]Sucked into the fast lane of life.

[01:27:53]And as you are sucked into the fast lane of life, times move faster.

[01:27:59]The prophet said a whole year will pass like a month and a whole month like a week and a whole week like a day etc. And as you are sucked into the fast lane of life, which is why the television screen, the images are changing so rapidly so that you do not have a chance to think as you are trapped into the fast lane of life. You see the quality of your students in your school declining.

[01:28:32]Look at the kind of students we used to have yesterday and look at the rubbish we now have today. Huh. As you are as you are trapped into the fast lane of life, something else happens and that is that the electro magnetic waves with which we are now being inundated. For me this is the the the beast of the earth which is there in esquetology.

[01:29:01]It is going to damage memory. Check it out.

[01:29:06]Check it out with your children. If you are 8 and 9 years of age, we are accustomed. We are accustomed to an 8 and 9 and 10 year old child memorizing the whole Quran. We are accustomed to that.

[01:29:25]The whole Quran is memorized by a child 8 n 10 years of age.

[01:29:30]Don't try it when you're 40 or 50.

[01:29:33]You're not going to succeed.

[01:29:38]Tomorrow no child who grows up in the city I anticipate will be able to memorize the Quran. No, your memory is declining.

[01:29:52]And if you do not have a strong memory, you cannot become a thinker. If you do not have a strong memory, you cannot become a thinker. Memory and thinking are intimately linked with each other.

[01:30:09]And so the world is moving in a direction of intellectual slavery. When people lose the capacity to think and they become brainwashed and they'll beat the drums, anything the slave master plays, they will dance to that tune.

[01:30:33]This is needed because tomorrow is not democracy.

[01:30:38]Tomorrow is monarchy.

[01:30:41]Israel has to restore the model of a state that existed in Jerusalem.

[01:30:48]And that was a monarchy.

[01:30:52]And so there won't be a president in Israel and a prime minister. There'd be a king in Israel. And so the world has to be taken by the neck.

[01:31:03]Western civilization has to be thrown away and mankind has to be taken back to that model which was in in Jerusalem.

[01:31:17]It is not that liberal thinking will disappear.

[01:31:24]It is that mankind's freedom to think and to express itself will be circumscribed by the truth which is coming from the Lord God. Within that framework, you do have the freedom to think, but you cannot challenge the truth which has come from the Lord God.

[01:32:03]Um, very interesting lecture. My name is Dr. Umar Ali.

[01:32:08]Um I always wondered why the western world fights against Russia when in the last world war Russia was their ally. And specifically in contemporary times we say Russia is coming to the aid of Syria uh as opposed to the western world and and I'm seeing a similar type of people similar religious type of people same color and why why it is that there seems to be this this war of between the western world and Russia Yeah.

[01:32:57]>> The first great war of the age of modern military technology.

[01:33:06]The scientific and technological revolution applied to military technology. The first great war was which one? Anybody?

[01:33:17]>> The civil war in United States. Anybody else?

[01:33:22]>> World War I. Anybody else?

[01:33:28]My view is the Crimean War 18 52 to 1855, the first major war of the modern age of military technology.

[01:33:45]and the western world combined to fight Russia.

[01:33:51]So the the animosity for Russia goes back a long time.

[01:33:58]But before that you have to do a little bit of homework in international relations if you want to understand the genesis of modern western civilization that Constantinople was a Christian city and it became a Christian city without any fighting.

[01:34:22]No, that part of the Israelite world which rejected the Messiah remained in exile scattered all over the world. But that part of the Israelite world who accepted the Messiah found a home in Constantinople and attempted in Constantinople to restore a holy state. That's why it was known as the Holy Bisantine Empire.

[01:34:46]But then we have a nice term here in Trinidad. They call it coocher com bickering fighting and they broke apart.

[01:35:03]One part of the Christian world broke away from Constantinople and came to Rome and uh I wish I had the time to share with you the causes for that breakup.

[01:35:17]But this part which broke away from the orthodox Christian world from that day to this day has had two enemies.

[01:35:27]It has had it become an enemy of Islam because they broke away in 1052 and within the next 50 years they launched the crusades.

[01:35:44]The first major event after the breakup of the Christian world and the emergence of western Christianity was the pope in Rome gathering his troops for the crusades.

[01:35:59]And so Islam became their nemesis.

[01:36:03]But on the way to Jerusalem there even they conquered Constantinople.

[01:36:10]And so the Orthodox Christian world was also their nemesis. They had two up to that time from that time. Russia replaced Constantinople.

[01:36:22]And so the hatred and animosity and rivalry existed from that day to this day. It culminated with the Crimean War.

[01:36:33]Okay.

[01:36:35]In the first world war, I'm sorry I have to take a little bit of your time now.

[01:36:42]They set a trap for Russia.

[01:36:46]It was still Zaris Russia and they had fought Russia in the Crimean War. They knew that the Orthodox Christian world wanted Constantinople.

[01:37:00]So they entered into secret negotiations. Russia, sorry, Britain and France with Russia that if you join with us in a tripartite alliance, the Ottoman Empire is a sick man of Europe. They're going to collapse.

[01:37:18]You just help us to get rid of it. You be the guinea pig and you do the fighting and we stop and watch you.

[01:37:26]And when Constantinople collapses and the Ottoman Empire collaps, we'll give Constantinople to you and the Russians were just like King Fel only peanuts in their head. So they accepted the deal.

[01:37:40]That's why Russia became their ally in the first world war.

[01:37:47]And when the Russian army was an arms length away from Constantinople, that was when they struck because they didn't want Russia to get Constantinople.

[01:38:01]So that's when the Bolshevik revolution took place and the new government took over in Russia.

[01:38:12]Do you know who was sitting in a restaurant across the road when France Finan was assassinated in Savo in the summer of 1914 sitting in a restaurant across the road was Leonki.

[01:38:32]Yes.

[01:38:34]So the the assassination of France Ferdinand which triggered off the first world war was not something by accident.

[01:38:44]Now they wanted Russia in on their side and they gave this alliance. As soon as the bolsheiks murdered the family of the Zach and took over Russia, they then published the secret allian secret crosses of the alliance. So it became public knowledge that if you join with us, we'll give you Constantino. It's now public knowledge.

[01:39:15]And the Russians fell for the trap because Russia under the bullshik withdrew from the war.

[01:39:26]So the Russian army could not go to Constantinople. In the second world war he was not Russia anymore.

[01:39:34]The Bolsheviks, this is history. You can just check it out. The Bolsheviks were led by Jews.

[01:39:42]This is history. is not secret.

[01:39:45]Preponderantly Jewish leadership over the Bolevik revolution.

[01:39:50]Lenin's trip from Washington was paid by Wall Street.

[01:39:57]And then came a Soviet Union which was a proudly Marxist and atheist state.

[01:40:07]Atheist state. And they then unleashed a persecution of the Orthodox Christian Church and of the priests with thousands of them being murdered that Christianity survived in Russia is a miracle.

[01:40:26]And so the Soviet Union while it did do certain good things and I had to concede eventually I had to accept it. The Russians argued at me that the Soviet Union did many good things, but the Soviet Union had a side of its face which was turned towards Washington.

[01:40:49]And so the Second World War did not end when it was supposed to end. The Second World War continued after it ended, after Hitler had had been killed and and Germany had surrendered. Why is the second world war still continuing?

[01:41:07]Because the western world still have an agenda to fulfill and they needed the Soviet Union to do it. But now that's history because Russia has returned to her orthodox Christian.

[01:41:22]>> I think um we'll have the last question now which is um the young lady.

[01:41:33]Hello.

[01:41:34]Hi. Good day. Um, my name is Dr. Daniel Jurro. Um, is not so much I don't know, it might end up being a question, but just me trying to um some statements that you made about the western world um being ones that deserve to die due to um homosexuality and lending money for interest. Um the world is such that it's so easy to travel from one place to another or to communicate through the internet. So everywhere in the world we have friends and family. Every terrorist attack we always see afterwards a list of persons that died from different countries from around the world because they were just visiting or living there.

[01:42:18]I'm sure everyone in this room have ancestors from different parts of the world beyond um just Trinidad.

[01:42:25]And um with that in mind, I think if a small group of persons want to attack the western world, then the eyes wouldn't only open up for the western world, but everyone around the world because that would be family and friends of everyone around the world that being attacked. So I just I think that it would never result in peace. It could never be peaceful.

[01:42:52]>> Do you agree?

[01:42:56]>> We all wish to have a peaceful world.

[01:43:06]But there can be no peace without justice.

[01:43:15]And uh oppression is injustice.

[01:43:24]And those who follow the religious way of life and who long for peace are people who are prepared to make whatever sacrifice they have to make.

[01:43:42]If true peace is to ever come, history began with truth and therefore began with peace.

[01:43:53]And we are a people with a conviction that history will end with truth and therefore with peace.

[01:44:03]But in order for us to achieve that end, the oppressor, the oppressor has to be identified.

[01:44:15]You have to resist oppression.

[01:44:20]You have to struggle to liberate the oppressed.

[01:44:27]Those of who are too scared, they don't have a backbone to identify the oppressor, to resist oppression, to struggle to liberate the oppressed, have a status that is less than a footnote on the pages of history.

[01:44:55]The heroes of mankind, the men who are truly of peace like Jesus are a people who will not only wage war in order to ensure that oppression is removed, but we are a people who are prepared to suffer. And so as the great war looms around the corner and millions are going to die, those who follow the religious way of life are not afraid to die.

[01:45:40]If millions of us must die in order that the oppressor must bite the dust, we are prepared to die.

[01:46:00]Last question.

[01:46:03]>> Yeah.

[01:46:10]>> Hold a hold a second, Mr. Dram, please.

[01:46:13]I think you're getting a mic.

[01:46:21]I just wanted to get an interpretation from the Quran as molana on this issue of same-sex marriage. Not necessarily your view but what the Quran says from your interpretation of it. Quran has returned to the scriptures which preceded it to narate about a prophet who was known as Lot and who lived with a people who given to homosexuality.

[01:47:11]And the Quran has disclosed that not only did the Lord God respond to that homosexuality with destruction.

[01:47:28]Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed in such a way that they sunk to the lowest part of the earth.

[01:47:41]But the Quran has continued the subject to declare in effect that if you return to it, I will return with my punishment.

[01:47:57]Thank you very much.

[01:47:58]>> Um I think we should give a round of applause both for the questions and for the discussion that they that they elicited. Um Molana I would like to thank you very much again for sharing this afternoon with us. Um we debate politics and economics and um well here very often questions of philosophy a little less so and we seldom have the chance to be exposed to religious interpretations of history.

[01:48:45]Um, not everybody will agree with your interpretation, but I think that it is very valuable for us to have had the chance to listen and to question and to discuss and to take away some insights on different perceptions of reality and of what and of the past, the present and the future. So, thank you very much and I'd like to thank the audience very much for coming. There was something that um I forgot to say at the beginning. There are some light refreshments at the back of the room liquid and um please feel free to help yourself before. So, once again, thank you and all the best as you continue your journey. Thank you very much for coming back to visit us. And please feel free, you and your family to visit the institute in the future.

[01:49:51]And I would just end by mentioning two two upcoming events. They're on the back of your program. One is a book launch um on the 15th of April by Dr. Scobby, one of our current lecturers on global environmental governance and small states.

[01:50:14]And the other is a diplomatic dialogue by his excellency the ambassador of Chile on it's the focus will be on human rights and that will be on the 24th of April and that would be our last um event before exams and people get completely distracted with other matters. So thank you very much and hope to see some of you at those events.

[01:50:51]This is exciting.