Can They Prove The Hypostatic Union?

Ajouté : 2026-05-05

[00:00:01][music] [music] >> Hey brother, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. What's up, man? Welcome.

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[00:00:15]Hey, how are you today? I'm good.

[00:00:18]And you're going to help me understand the hypostatic union.

[00:00:22]Well, just I guess what I'm trying to gather from that is are you trying to understand God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in as one or as they are separate?

[00:00:33]No, I understand the Trinity doctrine.

[00:00:34]I'm asking about the hypostatic union.

[00:00:36]First first uh thing I'm asking is where is it taught in scripture explicitly?

[00:00:40]Where where is it at? Cuz it's considered salvific. It's a part of the Trinity doctrine.

[00:00:45]So, I just need to know where actually does the Father reveal it in his in his word from the prophets and the apostles?

[00:00:51]Where is this concept that Christ was 100% man and 100% ousia, 100% God essence at the same time?

[00:01:00]Correct. So far there are three that bear record in heaven.

[00:01:04]Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost.

[00:01:07]Those three are Those three are one.

[00:01:09]Yeah, the Son is sitting in heaven, right? So, he's 1 John 5:7, post-resurrection, the Son's in heaven.

[00:01:15]Without going into the aspect of the Holy Ghost as a person right now, just sticking with the aspect of how does how does that three bear record that while Christ was on the earth as a man that he was 100% God and 100% man at the same time?

[00:01:32]Well, we can we can see that in a lot of things. Um for example, we see you know, Jesus performing miracles.

[00:01:40]Um but we also see in Luke where he's on the cross and I kind of relate this to to a daily human aspect. Um I'm I'm sure you've probably been on your way to work or had some things that have happened in your life and you're like you've you've been in the flesh and you you say, "God, like why why me?

[00:02:00]Why me, Lord? Just help me through this.

[00:02:03]Why did you choose me?" And we all understand that that is a process of the Lord. It's It's not saying that God isn't there.

[00:02:11]It's not saying that he isn't going to help through that, but there's more to that aspect. However, when you're in that flesh and you're in that understanding of God, "Why me?"

[00:02:21]What what is the difference in that and Jesus hanging on the cross and saying, "My Lord, why have you forsaken me?"

[00:02:33]Okay, so help me understand what you just asked in relationship to proving Christ is 100% man and 100% God at the same time while in the flesh.

[00:02:42]So, why would he holler out to his father, "Why have you forsaken me?" So, under understanding that while he's on the cross because he had to bear that price, he had to suffer as a human in human form to pay for the price of the sins to the world, not just them at that time.

[00:03:01]Yeah, no one's denying that Christ died on the cross and that he spoke words while on the cross. One of those words was him quoting Psalm 22, "Father, Father, why have you forsaken me?"

[00:03:11]Which Psalm 22 is wonderfully prophetic about the nature of him being persecuted to death on the cross.

[00:03:17]So, no no one's denying his life, death, and resurrection. And anything he said while he was alive, I'm just asking for what he said or what anyone else prophesied or explained after his his life, death, and resurrection like the apostles. Anywhere in scripture that actually explains he was 100% God and 100% man during his earthly life in the flesh.

[00:03:38]Well, I mean it I I think I just gave it to you with with people having faith in him, miracles that he performed to include his death on the cross.

[00:03:50]Well, brother, prophets He was a prophet of God. Do we agree?

[00:03:54]Jesus Jesus was. He was the Son of God.

[00:03:58]He is and was the Son of God, but he was also a prophet. Do we agree?

[00:04:02]A prophet like unto Moses, Deuteronomy 18?

[00:04:05]Well, he wasn't a prophet like Moses. He He essentially was the law of Moses. No.

[00:04:12]Respectfully, brother, did he fulfill Deuteronomy 18 as a prophet risen unlike unto Moses like Peter preaches in Acts 2?

[00:04:20]He He fulfilled scripture prophesied uh from Old Testament, yes.

[00:04:26]So, those were scriptures being fulfilled as he came as the Messiah.

[00:04:31]So, Peter preaches in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost when gifts of the spirit is poured out and people spoke in tongues.

[00:04:37]He preached to the to the crowd that accepted Christ that this is a prophet risen like unto Moses. This is the fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18.

[00:04:44]This is the prophet that was being prophesied about.

[00:04:47]So, Christ was a prophet. Is that agreed upon?

[00:04:51]I guess you could say that. Would you say Melchizedek was a prophet?

[00:04:54]Well, it doesn't It tells us he was a priest of the most high God in Genesis 14.

[00:04:59]It's very very possible that many priests were simultaneously prophets as well, similar to Abraham, Ezra, you know, different people in the scriptures. But what I'm asking specifically about Jesus is like he was a prophet. Prophets did miracles. This is a common thing when you have the power of God and the gifts of the spirit flowing through you. Just like he said in Luke 9 and Matthew 10, he sent his disciples out to do miracles in the towns of Samaria and they did so.

[00:05:22]Um they they didn't have hypostatic union.

[00:05:25]They went out and did miracles. Peter walked on water, too, right?

[00:05:29]Yes, because of him.

[00:05:32]Okay, but what I'm saying is men did miracles in Luke 9 and Matthew 10 as they ministered to people, right?

[00:05:39]Right, but they they would not have been able to do miracles without him.

[00:05:43]Without him? He sent them out. He didn't even go with them. The Holy Spirit was with them.

[00:05:48]Right, that was faith-based. So, they had faith in him. Without him, they couldn't have done any of that. So, God Well, cuz he was a prophet. Does a prophet take disciples on and train up disciples in Israel?

[00:05:59]Uh no, rabbis do.

[00:06:02]Brother, you're you're appealing to Judaism, not the scriptures. So, in like Do you remember who Elisha was?

[00:06:07]Yes.

[00:06:08]So, Elisha was trained by Elijah for 20 years.

[00:06:12]Elijah was the prophet. He trained up other men to be prophets. Elisha was the one who actually took over Elijah's actual mantle as the lead prophet. But even in the story of Elijah being taken up into the heaven that there's other men that were his servants and the other people he was training that went to go look for him.

[00:06:30]Because same way in 1 Samuel chapter 10 uh prophets plural with Samuel were coming down from Bethel.

[00:06:38]Um so, this is just common as the the gifts of the spirit flow through the prophet according to the work of God just like they did through Moses.

[00:06:46]Um these are This is why these are prophets anointed by God to do good works and teach people back to repentance.

[00:06:52]So, Jesus That doesn't That's not But the fact that Jesus was a prophet who did miracles doesn't put him into a great philosophic category of ousia.

[00:07:00]So, I I just don't understand that, I suppose.

[00:07:04]I don't understand the nature of this.

[00:07:05]Jesus Jesus came. So, all these other prophets didn't die for sins. All these other prophets didn't cause I guess back in the day, if you want to say the the ruckus that Jesus caused. If they caused such a ruckus um then it would have been them on the cross and not him.

[00:07:23]Well, many of the prophets were martyred. Uh but no, there was prophecy specifically about the Son of God who would come in the flesh and be a prophet of Israel.

[00:07:32]And there was things specifically prophesied about Jesus that weren't applied to other people. In the same way, things specifically prophesied about Moses that that didn't apply to any other prophet before or after. Um so, yeah, I mean I I understand prophecy can be um specific to a specific person showing up later and there are specific prophecies for Jesus, absolutely.

[00:07:55]Correct.

[00:07:55]>> Again, I'm But What Do you know what the ousia is in the Trinitarian philosophy that where they claim that he is 100% God and 100% man at the same time?

[00:08:04]Yes. So, I guess I guess what you're stating that you're confused about is how is it possible that you have one and one being human flesh as well as perform miracles when you claim everyone else did miracles as well.

[00:08:21]No, I'm I was trying to address your answer or your you know, what you tried to provide as the answer which was because Jesus did miracles, this must mean he was ontologically 100% God at the same time when there's no difference between him and other other prophets.

[00:08:37]miracles, it was it was >> I I thought you did. If you want to re-explain.

[00:08:42]>> off of the fact of his his based off of the fact of who he was and what fulfilled what prophecy he did fulfill in Old Testament. Uh there's no other that that fulfilled prophecy like him to the end in Old Testament.

[00:08:59]There's no other prophet >> Okay.

[00:09:01]Yeah, more prophecy was spoken about him than other prophets and he was faithful without sin unto death better than other prophets. You're right. I mean, in that regard, but that Again, if we understand what the claim is about the ousia, the special substance that the Trinity shares then I'm still not seeing where the text teaches that, introduces it, or explains that Jesus existed within two natures at the same time, the God nature and a man nature at the same time.

[00:09:30]So, let's let's let's think about this.

[00:09:33]If if a promise to Abraham was made and essentially Moses were the people that look, Moses led the people out of Israel, but wasn't even Abraham or Moses who led them into the promised land.

[00:09:51]I mean, we you you get that correct.

[00:09:55]Say that one more time.

[00:09:57]So, we if we see that there was a promise to Abraham of the promised land and then it wasn't Abraham and it wasn't Moses who led the people out of Egypt to the promised land. It was someone else that led them to the promised land, correct?

[00:10:16]Yeah.

[00:10:17]I think you're conflating Hebrews 11 with the actual Exodus that Moses led out in Exodus 12 under God's power. Correct. But who was it that led them to the promised land?

[00:10:27]Hang on. The promise to Abraham it says in Hebrews 11 that he sojourned in a land that he knew he was later to inherit in as the heavenly kingdom that's reserved for him in heaven as the the city whose architect and builder is God. He he was in sojourning during his lifetime waiting the resurrection.

[00:10:43]Hebrews 11 is all about the resurrection of of the the hall of faith people, right?

[00:10:48]Um waiting in that land of promise for the future to be fulfilled for his inheritance. Moses led people out of Egypt into that same geographical area which is all the land of promise and took them, you know, so far. Joshua technically took them beyond the Jordan.

[00:11:05]They took them He took them into that that specific region.

[00:11:09]So I guess what I'm trying to say is um I think you can I don't I just I think there's a little bit of a conflation there between the promises of Abraham in Genesis 15 and the fulfillment of that with you and your descendants living forever in the land. That that only happens through the resurrection and then the same promise was given to all the children of Israel through Moses and Aaron because it's the same covenant Deuteronomy chapter 30:15-20. The same covenant to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is extended to the children of Israel. That's literally why God had mercy on them and brought them out of bondage of Egypt was because they're under covenant through their descendancy to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

[00:11:43]Correct. But but do you see the connection between the name Joshua and Hebrew aspect and Greek and Aramaic and the name Jesus?

[00:11:51]I love you, brother. Joshua is a is a form of Yeshua. Yeshua is beautiful meaning salvation.

[00:11:58]It doesn't it doesn't teach, introduce, or prove Yeshua.

[00:12:02]I don't know how I guess my my question to you is if you were to deny that that is a fulfilled prophecy, is it not scriptural that you're to if you're to going to deny Jesus Christ, you're going to deny God himself?

[00:12:17]Nobody's denied Jesus or the Father or fulfilled prophecy, brother.

[00:12:22]Do you do you know what the Trinity doctrine states?

[00:12:25]Yes, but if you're telling me that you you're saying that you don't understand the difference between Jesus being a human and Jesus Jesus being the Son of God at the same time, then how can you say that you you believe in that or that you don't understand how he is from God?

[00:12:46]I understand how he's from God. John chapter 6 he tells you explicitly he came down from heaven. He's going to return back to where he was before the world.

[00:12:53]He's the Son of God. At his baptism his father announced this is my son, listen to him. At the transfiguration his father announced this is my son, listen to him. I know exactly that he is the Son of God and he was sent from heaven to be incarnate in the flesh. But I'm asking about the specifics of the hypostatic union claim. They claim while he was in the flesh he was 100% God and 100% created flesh as a man simultaneously coexisting and I'm asking how how does that work? Which scripture teaches that?

[00:13:23]Where where would we possibly believe that's a salvific belief to our to our faith in Christ?

[00:13:29]I got I see what you're saying. Okay, okay. I probably misunderstood you. So I guess I can clearly say that Jesus was not God the Father because he prayed to God the Father. That's not the Trinity doctrine. I'm not talking modalism or oneness, brother. That's The Trinity doctrine teaches that the second person in the Godhead, Christ, descended to the earth and incarnate as a in the flesh through the womb of Mary overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, born through the womb of Mary, and then walked this earth alongside us doing everything his father said to do and say and then into a death on the cross.

[00:14:02]And he was faithful and we praise him for that. It's amazing. It's what It's what captured my attention to give my life to him 30 years ago. But what I'm asking specifically in 450 What is it?

[00:14:12]451? The Chalcedonian Council. The hypostatic union was declared that Christ has two natures, fully God and fully man at the same time even when he was a before he was resurrected. So the moment he comes out the womb fully God, fully man and I'm just looking for a scripture that actually teaches that.

[00:14:30]Well, so one one one thing I you said that you you gave your life to him 30 years ago. How however, I think this is where a lot of confusion comes into play. There Like if you say you gave your life to Christ, there there's nothing a lost person can give to Jesus Christ that he can turn around and use to save him.

[00:14:46]So we have to understand that, everyone.

[00:14:48]We're told to lay down our lives for Christ, pick up our cross and follow him. It's a metaphor.

[00:14:53]Yeah, you can Well, there's nothing that you can do. There's nothing that you can lay down to give him or that we're lost people are lost. Lost people are lost. There's nothing that they can give or lay down or do cuz that's that's a something they're doing themselves. It's about him coming to you, not you going to him.

[00:15:16]And he came to me and I responded.

[00:15:17]That's just like he does to everybody when he says to repent. I'm not talking Calvinism today, brother. I was just asking about the hypostatic union.

[00:15:23]Yeah, I don't believe that's Calvinism and however >> were explaining Calvinism.

[00:15:30]No, that that's that's explaining lost people.

[00:15:33]Understanding lost people are dead in transgressions.

[00:15:35]>> So do you are you a disciple of Jesus Christ?

[00:15:39]Yes. I go with the first one.

[00:15:41]>> actively reject the worldly passions like we're told to in James so that you can cleanse your hands, purify your hearts James 4:4-8?

[00:15:50]Oops. Resist the devil, submit yourself in God, draw close to God, he draws near to you.

[00:15:55]Do you follow that prescription as well?

[00:15:58]I follow that in him and ask for his guidance daily to help me understand >> reject sin or do you just say, oh I I sinned today, I guess God didn't do it for me?

[00:16:09]No, no. I ask I ask for his guidance to help me understand the sin that I am in and the sin that I do on a daily basis and try to recognize that it is a sin and to turn away from it to change my mind of that sin.

[00:16:26]Okay, well you were just taking a little bit more words to explain repentance and actively resisting the devil and submitting yourself to God, brother. I mean you're you're saying the same thing I am. We It's our job as disciples to actually be unstained by the world, right? To actually resist evil and pursue righteousness, right? He who pursues righteousness will be filled. Right, but I can't submit to him for salvation.

[00:16:46]That's for sanctification.

[00:16:50]But you must respond in order for repentance in order to be saved. I can't There's In order to start your sanctification process and get your deposit of the Holy Spirit, you must actually get on your knees whether in in your internally metaphorically in your heart or externally I would encourage both honestly, but you must actually get on your knees before Christ and circumcise your heart to him in obedience as a part of your discipleship. I mean it Think about all the people that in John 6 walked away because they heard a teaching that was too difficult for them and they didn't want to disciple after Jesus anymore.

[00:17:21]Right, but if if we're talking about lost people, lost people that have come to this fruition that Jesus Christ is real and that they are willing to read in the Bible what it means to be saved, they are not going to know what to do as the next steps. So when you say submitting to him and doing the next steps, a lost person is not going to know what to do. They're they're lost.

[00:17:44]That's that's why we got to read the word and sanctify. 2 Peter 3:18 that we would grow in the knowledge of God, right? We have to be studying and approved. We actually have to get in the word. Jesus told Satan we live on every word of the mouth of God, right? We have to actually study the scriptures ourselves and know what God expects of us as disciples.

[00:18:02]Correct, correct. But we become we become more in him and him in us.

[00:18:11]All right, I appreciate you, brother.

[00:18:12]I'll tell you what. Thank you for for the conversation and I'm actually going to start a a show where we multi-stream on different different platforms as well. So I'm going to start another show here as well.

[00:18:21]But thank you so much for the conversation. I want you to call in again in the future because we're going live often.

[00:18:25]Sure, man. Hey, thanks for having me up.

[00:18:27]I appreciate you for letting me come up on the the panel. Yeah, bro. Be blessed and drive safe.